date:20031118

Dear Westgarth Books,

I guess everyone is going to be asking you sooner or later.
What is Radio Free Satan? Does it accept e-gold?
The problem with that is that the majority of people seem
to lack basic critical listening/reading ability.
If you take the position that most people are ignorant,
I must agree. Thomas Jefferson wrote that we must
acknowledge that people are ignorant. Then one has a
choice. One can either conspire to take their powers
and liberties from them, or one can enlighten their
ignorance.
Thoreau proposes that there is a third possibility which
Jefferson had not even realized, that one can be left
alone, and leave others alone in their ignorance. I
think it remains to be proven, but I'm eager for an
empirical showing.
In this age of media spin, I am amazed how often the
front pages of newspapers are full of articles which...
go on and on about what 'might', 'may' or 'could' be true.
Indeed. I heard a big fat blatant lie today on the
ABC affiliate in Houston - the news anchor says that
US law forbids Americans from gambling online. There
is no such law. There are proposals in Congress to
prevent Americans from using their credit cards in
gambling online, and there are credit card companies
that presently refuse service for customers trying to
gamble online with credit cards, but there is *no*
law forbidding online gambling.
You'd think the mainstream media have an agenda with
stuff like that going on, hmm?
Oh, and I encourage gambling online, because gambling is
a good, Bible-mentioned practice which everyone should
feel good about doing. God wants you to gamble? He
sure did make plenty of opportunities available.
http://8715605.thegoldcasino.com/
Go now and gamble thou likewise!
the price of gold 'might' reach $400/ounce,
Is $399.20 close enough? grin

The price of gold will reach $400 per ounce, or, more
accurately, the price of dollars will reach one four
hundredth of an ounce of gold. I don't know when, but
I'm willing to guess.
that Terrorists 'could be' planning this or that outrage.
Yes, those pesky terrorists. We should...be vexed by them.
smirk
We might as well write, hobgoblins in place of terrorists
in deference to HL Mencken.
George Bush, Tony Blair and the Queen might be planning a
Satanic Mass at Buckingham Palace,
I think they are! Have you read, _The AntiChrist and a
Cup of Tea_ by Tim Cohen? Fantastic book. It sets out to
prove that the Prince of Wales is going to turn into the
AntiChrist by the year 2019. Amazing stuff. One does so
look forward to finding out if it is true. And still time
for a sequel!
where they may intend to sacrifice small children who could
be taken from among Iraqi refugees.
Of course! I can see it now in my mind's eye. Those
vicious harlots! How dare they?! We should hang them all
in effigy, or somewhere.
Nothing I have said in the paragraph above is necessarily
untrue. They 'might' be true or untrue.
Indeed.

This is similar to idiots who are unable to distinguish between
someone expressing a fact and expressing a personal opinion.
Well said.

If I state to one of these idiots The Italian Socialist Party
wants to ban the sale of ice cream, they will say You want to
ban the sale of ice cream!?!
Very often. At this time, though, I have just one question
for you, to whit, Why do you want to ban the sale of ice cream?!
grin
But of course it is utterly pointless to sit around discussing
how stupid/ignorant/idiotic most people seem to be these days.
As JP May has so eloquently pointed out on this list and
various others at various times, there is no point to
Internet discussions. Anyone who thinks he is engaged in
an Internet discussion for some purpose is making a mistake.
Internet discussions are either self-actualizing or not. If
you don't like the chatter, get out of the chatterbox. Or,
something like that.
Tune in to http://radiofreesatan.com
Tune in, Turn on, We'll Take You Straight to HELL!
I have to say that I have no desire for this product, but
I do admire the forthright fashion in which it is promoted.
From the available literature, hell is eternal pain and
damnation and fire and punishment and not much fun. If
you get a counter offer from radiofreegod.com, please do
let me know. Heaven, by all accounts, is eternal life,
and that sounds like a much better deal.
Regards,

Jim
http://www.ezez.com/free/freejim.html
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[e-gold-list] e-gold market share

Dear Gordon,

50% e-gold
30% paypal (no comment)
Wow! That's a lotta PayPal. I wouldn't want to have that
much at risk, were it me. I hope you have good procedures
for limiting your exposure to their ill will.
10% evocash (doing better lately)
I agree.

5% stormpay (they scare me and our money is stuck in it
which pisses me off)
I'd heard about BrightPay going under. I gather that
StormPay is on its last legs?
3% intgold
You should probably steel yourself for the bad results to
come on this one, given what I know. Seems like an OSGold
in the making.
2% Pecunix - Gold Money - other
Does other include e-Bullion? If so, I'm a bit surprised
they don't represent a larger share of your orders.
The sales numbers do not lie.
Agreed.

However, sales figures are like sewer pipes. What you get
out of them depends in part on what you put into them. If
users have any perception that you prefer to be paid with
e-gold, they may do so out of a desire to mutual advantage.
There are all kinds of reasons why e-gold sales might be
higher which are not indicated in your sales figures. For
example, there may be greater regional penetration of e-gold
among your clientele.
Users of certain industries may be extremely shy of, say,
PayPal, which is anti-adult and anti-gun and anti-other
stuff. So, if you are hosting web sites in these specific
industries, that would explain the preference of users for
e-gold.
e-gold has even overtaken our paypal sales overall.
That's sorta neat. It isn't a wonder, though, given
all the terrible practices at PayPal.
How do credit card sales compare?

Once in a while they battle it out but usually e-gold has the edge.
That is really impressive to me.
And to me, too.

something really unique to offer people
I wonder if there would be a market for videos of
zero gravity sex?
Regards,

Jim

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[e-gold-list] Re: basic e-gold site usage experience

On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 03:46 AM, David Hillary wrote:

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course you put a COMMA between groups of three numbers in big 
numbers.

Good grief.
Give us a break JPM. John Kenrick didn't just make it up. I was taught 
to
use a space, and never a comma at school and have done so ever since. 
...


In a free-form web input field it would be easy to accommodate all 
standards with no ambiguity whatsoever.  You could even accommodate 
mutant hybrids of standards if you wanted.

123 456 789 .  14159 265

123,456,789.14159,265

123.456.789,14159.265

123 456.789, 14159  265

123 456 789

123456789

123_456_789.141_592_65

Now you might not want to be THAT permissive, but the general rule is 
to interpret any UNIQUE separator character as the pivot between the 
integer and fraction portions of the number.  Digits both to the left 
and right of the pivot can be broken up using any arbitrary choice of 
separators (space, comma, dot, or underscore) other than the pivot 
character itself.

I think e-gold could easily implement a numeric entry rule like this 
that would accommodate the Americans, Europeans, and all the various 
fans and enemies of embedded white space.  (Enemies would include 
programming language devotees with a natural aversion to white space in 
a numeric constant.)

-- Patrick

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[e-gold-list] GoldNow.st Still in Business? You better believe it!

Guys,

Not only still in business, but absolutely snowed under with orders, and
very, very busy... today, in fact, was a record breaking day in our
company history!

As always, record breaking days also bring record problems. I'm now
looking for more staff, and some of my funding sources have let me
down... as occasionally happens. The credit card funding site has also
been down (usually reliable) delaying some order payments, and the debit
card supplier has delayed sending new cards, and the Israeli debit card
supplier is now trying to increase his fees. 

I notice that the power company, the ISP, and the local supermarket all
want payments as well! Ah well, life is interesting, to say the least!

Any affected customers will be advised... and the only Hi Jack we get
involved in is when I say hello to the appropriately named
customers/friends!

May we live in interesting times! (as Robert would say!)

Graham Kelly CEO


On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:08:25 -0700, BigBooster
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 Does anybody know if GoldNow.st is still
 in business?

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[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...

Hello Drew,
I know, I am not Gordon, but think that he is likely to have similar
thoughts on the subject.

 If you promoted and advertised the logo's of other payment options
 (Pecunix, Goldmoney etc) as much as you did e-gold and paypal then you might
 find that people started paying in these newer more serious (quote Sidd)
 currencies.

Why should Gordon, or any merchant for that matter provide free promotion
to any particular DGC/IG ?
I am sure that if there were more users that KatzGlobal would jump on the
bandwagon and accept payment in that currency.

Cyberica on the other hand doesn't use PayPal for card processing and
otherwise only deals in currencies that we believe to be backed by gold
and easily exchangeable for e-gold, which is the only currency we don't
mind having a balance in - well, okay, the funds go straight to 1MDC once
a month, but that is the same thing, in the end.

 Why would you NOT be interested in promoting currencies with stronger
 governance than the two you predominately push?

I believe that governance becomes secondary to volume from a merchant's
point of view. After all we value turn-over and fast circulation times.

 I think you would find the % change if you did.

Most likely you are right. But as i said, where is our incentive and why
would we bother? It is in our vested interest as merrchants to have
clients focus on one or two DGC/IG and keep things simple for everyone.
Even if we were being paid some incentive for promoting other currencies
(as e-gold and INTgold do), it is still questionable if it was worth our
time.

The bottom line is after all that we have to pay infrastructure and
equipment bills in fiat and need to outexchange (unless a merchant happens
to have some deals with an exchanger) quite frequently - especially
smaller operators and merchants. The more currencies that need exchanging,
the higher the fees, the lower the profit, while at the same time the
administrative work-load increases.

I fear, the only way to change this would be if someone offered DGC  DGC
automatic exchange interface which merchants could implement into their
payment gateways. In other words, 11 USD of gold or 1gr of Gold, whatever
currency you got, can be exchanged into whatever currency the merchant
wants - preferably at no charge.
As e-gold has the market pretty much cornered, it would be up to the other
currency operators to team up and offer a similar solution to merchants.

If my client can spend $11 worth of pecunix and I get $11 worth of
e-gold/1mdc/goldmoney, depending on my settings, then, I am pretty sure,
all merchants will begin to accept all currencies and the DGC economy
might go through it's first major rennaisance.
The alternative is of course that e-gold continues to grow exponentially
and all other operators serve specific niche markets.

Of course, Gordon might disagree with my view of things, as may many other
merchants, but I honestly doubt it. At the end of the day, we want to make
money with a minimum of unneccessary administration tasks.

Cheers,
Robert.

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[e-gold-list] Re: E-GOLD MOVES TO BAN ICE CREAM ?!????

Life is
 a lot more helter skelter than it has been in past decades, when you had
 more down time and, with less distractions, probably a more focused, less
 confused, sense of reality.
 
Sad but true. I wonder if people with less choices end up being overall
happier?

Cheers,
Robert.

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[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow.st Still in Business? You better believe it!

2003-11-18 Thread Katz Global Media



I though this week was a week where:

Everything is upside down that should be right side up and so on. I tried to
blame it on sun spots, but that just doesn't fly these days, not in my
circles anyway.

The good news is it is all over and you can now go back to business as
usuall. ;-) This never happened.

Gordon
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[e-gold-list] GoldNow DMT/Alta

Jim,

DMT/Alta is a new ecurrency for us to deal in, and unfortunately, I
didn't have my DMT account funded, apart from a few dollars, as a test
case. I do have resources, but I do make mistakes at times, trying to 2nd
guess where the demands will be tommorrow. We are getting better at
this...

In any case, I believe DMT/Alta will be big... so we are starting to move
funds there. I just got caught out with a simple funding order, and all
my normal funding sources reneged at the last second, leaving me in the
proverbial... combined with massive order loads, slight under staffing,
and sheer load of business demands, defeated me in my normally efficient
customer service contact role... doh! But, I DID manage to send 200-300
personal emails today, to pending GoldNow customers. Most voted with
their $$$. 

I'm attempting to free myself!

GK

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:44:36 -0600, Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Dear John,
 
  This is all true. Exchangers do not have an infinite supply
  of inventory,
 
 On the other hand, GK would seem to be a guy with lots
 of resources.  I gather it takes $1000 minimum order and you
 can get DMT/ALTA by bank wire.  Of course, then GK would
 have a bit more than he has customers on hand for.

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Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S
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[e-gold-list] Re: GolNow or should we say GoldNEVER Service Complaint

2003-11-18 Thread Arik Schenkler

Shalom,

John Kyle from Cambist.net wrote:

I would consider it (market maker business) far too much trouble, if I
didn't like my job.

This reminded me that market makers have more expenses.

One morning the phone rings, John Kyle on the line checking and
confirming a deal we have done. It was great (great service!!) and we
talked about the industry.

I do not understand the market makers business. 

It is a tough and not rewarding one.

Feel free to enlighten us on the ways to make money being a market
maker. How a market maker does reduce his risk of Gold price changes?

Arik Schenkler
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[e-gold-list] Re: basic e-gold site usage experience

2003-11-18 Thread David Beroff


--- Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Now you might not want to be THAT permissive, but the general rule is 
 to interpret any UNIQUE separator character as the pivot between the 
 integer and fraction portions of the number.  Digits both to the left 
 and right of the pivot can be broken up using any arbitrary choice of 
 separators (space, comma, dot, or underscore) other than the pivot 
 character itself.

Agreed, but your very own examples demonstrate the problem.

While these two are unambiguous:

 123,456,789.14159,265
 
 123.456.789,14159.265

This one has potentially two different pivots:

 123 456.789, 14159  265




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[e-gold-list] Re: E-land, nuts, savings

2003-11-18 Thread Danny Van den Berghe

  You said what you think about 'me' , which is irrelevant
  to the points on the table.

 I've covered the points on the table.  I've actually spread
 you out of the room.


You just spread yourself out of the village.
Or as somebody else remarks, the longest email ever on this list.
And off-topic too, as the moderator gracefully remarks.
The topic on this list is *money*, not your opinions about *me*.



  When you call somebody a thug or a scammer the burden
  of proof is on you.

 But I didn't say those things.  I said that I think thus
 and such person is a thug.  I said that I think you are
 a scammer.

 I have proven what I think.  I write what I think, and I
 think you are a scammer.  It is true that I think it.


You are lying, Jim.
Here are a few quotes from your posts a while back:

You are an ignorant savage who knows nothing about the
progress of the ages.

You are the vicious thug who insists on imposing
paper money on these workers, not me. EOQ



There is no mention of I *think*... ... Just conveniently forgotten I
suppose?
So, I will skip all the rest of your pointless mumblings about *I think what
I think*,..., since it is all not relevant.



  You go on addressing me with the name of a past criminal, which
  is already evidence of slander,

 I'm addressing my comments to John Law.  Hey, if you aren't
 John Law, then you shouldn't take offense.


It is clear enough that you are addressing me with that name, since it is
always in
reponse to my comments.



  If you publish unfounded damaging statements about somebody,

 My statement that I think you are a scammer is founded on my
 thoughts.  It is a perfectly true statement of my thoughts. I
 am entitled to my thoughts.  I am free to express my thoughts.
 My thoughts are my own.


The judge will laugh when you bring up that argument if someone sues you for
slander.
It just doesn't cook.




 I think you are a scammer because I think your Turing
 OCR solution was never adequately demonstrated yet you
 insisted on being paid for it.



That turing decoder program is still available for download at my site,
complete with source code, so you can not only verify that it works, you can
even see *how* it works.
So, you are making judgments without even looking at the simple verifiable
facts.
And that judgment based on your prejudices against me, you go on spreading
in public..
Btw, my pointing out that these old turing numbers were all too easily
cracked, was an effort towards preventing scam, quite the opposite of your
*thinking*
And interestingly, the turing numbers on the e-gold site have been improved
since...



  But they can damage the reputation capital of the person,
  and that is violent too.

 How can my thoughts damage your reputation?  It is just
 me over here thinking.  I think you are a scammer.  How
 does that affect you?


There is difference between thinking something and saying it.
You are perfectly aware that you are not making sense here.


  Otherwise there would be no legal actions taken against
  slander and libel.

 Legal actions taken against slander and libel are taken
 on the basis that what is said isn't true.  I've said
 that I think you are a scammer.  It is true that I think it.


You forgot your *I think..* more then a couple of times.
And even if you systematically package your slander with *I think..* , and
repeat it often enough, it will be no longer considered just expressing your
*opinion*.
That too will be judged as slander..




  No that's NOT your business at all.

 Of course it is.  It is every moral person's obligation to
 tell others when he sees them being scammed that they should
 avoid being scammed.  I believe it is my moral obligation to
 shoot a thief whether he is robbing me or someone else.


E-land doesn't exist yet, so there is no question of you seeing anybody
being scammed by it.
You claim the right to keep customers away from my business.
Then you are already interfering in my business, then you are already
regulating like every politician.
You *think* it will be a scam without any proof, and that entitles you to
keep customers away from me..?
Then, according to your own definition above, we have the moral obligation
to
shoot you as a thief who steals business from me, and even openly admits it.



  You see it as your business to keep customers away from me,

 Of course.  I think it is my business to keep consumers from
 being defrauded or stolen from if it is within my power to do
 so.

   without any proof against me...

 I don't need any proof to have thoughts.  I am adequately
 provided with proof for the thoughts I've had.


That's probably the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen here.
You know perfectly well that you won't need to prove *your thinking*, you'll
need to prove the fraud and stealing if you actively set out to keep
customers away from someone.
Without these proofs you will turn out doing a crime yourself.




  Criticising ideas, yes.

 I don't believe your

[e-gold-list] Re: basic e-gold site usage experience

2003-11-18 Thread jpm

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Of course you put a COMMA between groups of three numbers in big numbers.

 Good grief.
Give us a break JPM. John Kenrick didn't just make it up. I was taught to
use a space, and never a comma at school and have done so ever since.
That's likely because you grew up in an era of politically correct 
multi-culti morally relative schooling.

(Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you think the metric system is a good idea.)


It is the correct way to represent numbers.
Regarding handwritten numbers, the reasons are trivially obvious why 
a comma is used instead of a space - it's a positive thing rather 
than a lack of a thing.

(Don't even mention the three million, one hundred and twenty five 
thousand, three hundred and twenty three reasons it ties in with 
spelled-out writing.)

Regarding blocks of typeset text (a large number used in a headline 
or body copy) using spaces would look horrific (ask any typographer) 
and your eye sees it as different words (Space is already used as a 
punctuation mark, it means break between words.)

Regarding computer numbers, who cares? that much.  Sure, they can 
have a space as a standard.


 Why make some cultural pecularity the only way?

There's no need to, if one adopts a politically-correct multi-culti 
morally-relative stance (hell, there's no need to do anything, in 
that case!)


Yours in pedantry

David Hillary


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[e-gold-list] Re: basic e-gold site usage experience

2003-11-18 Thread FileMatrix

JPM,


 (Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you think the metric system is a good
idea.)

Even ANZ use the metric system, where one can simply move the decimal
separator to transform units into subunits.


There is another method to group the digits in a number, using ' as
separator, as in 123'456'789.123'456'789
This method ensures nobody gets confused about what the comma is for, and
there is no space or underscore that could be hidden by the base line.


George Hara




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[e-gold-list] Re: basic e-gold site usage experience

On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 05:23 AM, David Beroff wrote:

Agreed, but your very own examples demonstrate the problem.
...
This one has potentially two different pivots:
123 456.789, 14159 265

Right, that's a problem, one that I missed at 4:00 AM.

It is possible to refine the rule to recognize your example as an error
by distinguishing the strong separators period and comma from the
weak separators space, underscore, and accent (George's suggestion).

But none of that matters because one is still faced with the
fundamental question of how to interpret these simple entries:

123,456

123.456

I think it is clear that if those numbers are entered as amounts of
grams, dollars, or euros they should be interpreted as (123 + 456 /
1000). It would be idiotic to assume the user intends to spend 123456
of those things.

I guess if you want to spend some absurdly high amount of something
like Turkish lira one could allow space as a separator:

123 456,78

E-gold could adopt the simple rule that they will allow either a single
period or comma in a number to serve as a fractional pivot, and any
other characters in the entry must be either digits or spaces. That's
it.

This sensible rule is in harmony with the ISO 31-0:1992 standard that
John Kenrick noted on this list, and with the standard that David
Hillary learned in school.

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[e-gold-list] Re: E-land, nuts, savings

2003-11-18 Thread Internet Investment Group LLC Internet Investment Group LLC

On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 05:19 AM, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:

Acceptable roi depends on the risk of the investment.
A stock that cannot guarantee me any shareholder rights, belongs to 
highest
possible risk.
Danny, I'm honestly curious what shareholder rights you consider 
important to have.  For example, what rights do you have with Microsoft 
shares that you do not have with TGC shares?

That will probably sound like a ridiculously obvious question to some 
of you more well-versed than I in the subtleties of common stocks.  
Frankly, my eyes glaze over when I see a proxy voting statement.  The 
only things I really know about common stocks are (1) some of them pay 
dividends and (2) all of them fluctuate in price.

-- Patrick

We are here on earth to do good for others. What the others are here 
for, I don't know.
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[e-gold-list] Re: GolNow or should we say GoldNEVER ServiceComplaint

Has it appeared to you that Graham might just not have any DMT/Alta funds?
As far as I can see he actually posted here trying to find some...
 
Yes. 
Has it appeared to you that he posted here trying to find some DMT/Alta funds 13 
(THIRTEEN) DAYS AFTER HE GET YOUR FUNDS!
 
It's amazing how people always believe that exchangers have to have stock
of every paltry DGC and carry the risk of price fluctuations, provide
instant service, reply to every email, hold their hand, etc. for a few
measly percents.
 
It's amazing how people can loose much of their credibility with a single e-mail. 
No, Robert is not always right. 
For a entity with over 2 customers it should be no problem to manage its DGC stock 
the right way. 
If GoldNow would provide instant service there would be no risk or CHANCE of price 
fluctuations. 
Don't you reply to the e-mails of your customers?...I say good night. 
Measly percents? Maybe you don't get it. Why are there so many exchangers?...because 
of those measly percents? 
With their exchange business they attract customers to sell them higher priced 
products (debit cards,...) later. 
 
 
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[e-gold-list] e-gold virus

2003-11-18 Thread The Gold Economy

There are two stories of interest on the front page of goldeconomy.com
today:

- New Virus Targets E-gold Users
The Mimail.C virus is one of the first general distribution viruses that
attempts to harvest e-gold account and password data...

- Where's Elwyn?
Elwyn Jenkins, the former CEO of Standard Reserve, is back in the public
eye...

http://goldeconomy.com





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[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...

2003-11-18 Thread Danny Van den Berghe

  Also, is the old audit still on the site somewhere?  I didn't find it
  in the site map, and the word audit does not even appear in the User
  Agreement.
 
 With over 1,000,000 accounts and the highest volume/turn-over in terms of
 transactions, I believe the trust factor among users by far outweighs any
 audits by now.



Well, I have to wonder about this trust when I look at the stats page.
Of the 56 funded accounts, almost 50 have less than a gram of gold
in them (eq. to less than $12)
Only 14000 accounts have more than 10 gram ( $120)
Less than 2000 accounts have more than 100 gram.
That looks rather disappointing.

Perhaps people only buy e-gold when they need some and spend it right away.
That would mean they trust it for doing payments, but 96% don't seem to
trust it for keeping more than a few bucks worth of gold in it.
And it is obviously not because the price of gold has been going down over
the last few years.

Is it because of the storage cost?
Or is 96% of the people financially so impoverished?



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[e-gold-list] Gold Price Retrace

There's a nice retracing of the gold price after yesterday's plummet:

http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html

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[e-gold-list] Re: basic e-gold site usage experience

2003-11-18 Thread David Beroff


--- Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think it is clear that if those numbers are entered as amounts of 
 grams, dollars, or euros they should be interpreted as (123 + 456 / 
 1000).  It would be idiotic to assume the user intends to spend 123456 
 of those things.
 
 I guess if you want to spend some absurdly high amount of something 
 like Turkish lira one could allow space as a separator...

Mrrrm... Something's just rubbing me the wrong way about contextual
sensitivity in this particular case, especially since I'm not so
sure that such numbers would be idiotic.  I've done e-gold transactions
with five figures of USD, so I don't see it as such a stretch to consider
six.  Similarly, e-gold is well suited for very tiny spends, as well.




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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold market share

2003-11-18 Thread David Beroff


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  something really unique to offer people
 
 I wonder if there would be a market for videos of
 zero gravity sex?

{Runs to check domain name.}  Amazing; it's available! ;-)




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[e-gold-list] Some charts

2003-11-18 Thread Mike Schneider

http://www.sharelynx.net/Markets/GoldCharts.htm



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[e-gold-list] Re: basic e-gold site usage experience

I wrote:

Mrrrm... Something's just rubbing me the wrong way about contextual
sensitivity in this particular case, especially since I'm not so
sure that such numbers would be idiotic. I've done e-gold
transactions
with five figures of USD, so I don't see it as such a stretch to
consider
six. Similarly, e-gold is well suited for very tiny spends, as well.

I said the assumption would be idiotic, not the numbers. I'm talking
probability here. But I'll say it without the loaded word idiotic.

Assume for the sake of discussion that it is possible to spend dollars
and euros to three decimal places. (I don't know if e-gold allows
this, but I don't see why not.) I believe the following.

If a randomly chosen e-gold user specifies an amount of 123,456 euros
it is much more likely that he intends (123 + 456 / 1000) euros rather
than 123456. In this case the user is likely to be non-American.

If a randomly chosen e-gold user specifies an amount of 123,456 dollars
it is much more likely that he intends (123 + 456 / 1000) dollars
rather than 123456. In this case the user is likely to be non-American.

If a randomly chosen e-gold user specifies an amount of 123,456 grams
it is much more likely that he intends (123 + 456 / 1) grams rather
than 123456. In this case the user is likely to be non-American.

If a randomly chosen e-gold user specifies an amount of 123.456 euros
it is much more likely that he intends (123 + 456 / 1000) euros rather
than 123456. In this case the user is likely to be American.

If a randomly chosen e-gold user specifies an amount of 123.456 dollars
it is much more likely that he intends (123 + 456 / 1000) dollars
rather than 123456. In this case the user is likely to be American.

If a randomly chosen e-gold user specifies a spend of 123.456 grams it
is much more likely that he intends (123 + 456 / 1000) grams rather
than 123456. In this case the user is likely to be American.

What I am proposing is to follow three principles simultaneously: (1)
maximum simplicity, (2) maximal cultural accommodation and (3) follow
the course of least potential harm.

If some specifies a spend amount of 123,456 dollars, just assume it's a
non-American who wishes to spend (123 + 456 / 1000) dollars. That is
much more likely to be correct, and much less likely to cause harm,
than assuming it's an American who wishes to spend 123456 dollars. A
similar argument applies to the case of dollars and grams.

You simply decree that there can be at most one comma or period in a
number, and any number of digits or spaces. It would simply be an
error to say 123,456.789. Instead, you'd have to say 123456.789 or
123456,789 or 123 456.789 etc. etc.

I mean really, how often is it important to use a damn separator
character in an e-gold spend amount? How many kilogram or microgram
spends do people really do, and would it kill them to just run the
numbers together or learn to use a space?

The rule is simple, accommodative, and benign.

-- Patrick

[e-gold-list] Re: Some charts

2003-11-18 Thread J Frank

BTW the link is
http://www.netdania.com/ChartApplet.asp?symbol=XAUUSDOCOMPx|tenfore

 If you are interested in gold charts you may be interested in netdania's
 free offerings... with anything from 1 second ticks to weekly charts,
line,
 barcharts and candle stick formations and the possibility to add overlays
 from Moving Averages, RSI's ADI and other indicators, these are a must for
any
 speculator

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[e-gold-list] Finding serious ecurrency investors...

Sidd, I agree with you, but your argument doesn't even allow for non gold
backed ecurrencies, which are obviously valid and highly successful
operating entities, in their own right. eg EVOcash, NetPay. INTGold gives
their customers the choice of either backed or no. It's very interesting
to know that *most* INTGold customers have opted for non gold backed,
apparantly not happy with the potentiality for fluctuating $$$ value.

As I've stated countless times before, there is room for non gold backed
ecurrencies, and are currently taking their place within the industry.
GoldNow deals in most of these ecurrencies, due to customer demand.

The customers (and free markets) rule (as usual)!

Graham Kelly CEO

 So let's re-word my original statement. IMO Pecunix and Goldmoney are 
   more serious because they have PROOF that they have the gold in a 
 vault. Furthermore the babble about accountants not being trustworthy 

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[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious ecurrency investors...

2003-11-18 Thread Sidd

Hello Graham,

Graham Kelly wrote:
Sidd, I agree with you, but your argument doesn't even allow for non gold
backed ecurrencies, 
Sidd  wrote:
So let's re-word my original statement. IMO Pecunix and Goldmoney are 
 more serious because they have PROOF that they have the gold in a 
vault...
Ah, but the same holds true... if I was interested in non 
gold-backed currencies (which I am not), I would require to see 
proof of the value underwriting the currency before I could trust it. 
It's simple, either the value is proven to be there, or you have a 
potential OSGold.

Regards,

Sidd.



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[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...

2003-11-18 Thread zenbiker

Then of course there is still the lax customer service and weak right
of association policy to take into account...

In five years of dealing with e-gold I have never had a serious customer
service issue with them.  I hear many *stories* about customer service
problems, very few of which have ever stood up to any close scrutiny. 
People don't like to consider that the fact that they can't manage an
e-gold account might be related to mere stupidity on their own part,
rather than any shortcomings of the system.  Pecunix most likely is
unacquainted with this problem as it stops the idiots at the gate by
making the process of creating and using an account a baffling ordeal that
only the most determined can complete.

Show me a company with a comparable number of current and past clients
which does NOT have a sizable number of customer service complaints (not
to be mistaken for actual customer service issues) and I owe you 1.00g of
e-gold.

If you do not mind clarifying, what do you mean by a weak right of
association policy?


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[e-gold-list] touched $400



Gold just now touched $400 per troy ounce, at about 00:47 UTC on 
Wednesday November 19, 2003.

http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html

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[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...

Danny

I do agree that most accounts have a small balance, but that holds true
for the amount of money many people have in their wallets, does it not?
People appear to be treating e-gold as money, something they use to buy
things with - which is what we promote it for in Asia, by the way - not as
an investment. One of the answers I am sure I would be getting if I asked
my clients why they don't exchange more than they need and keep some in
their accounts is that people treat e-gold in the same way they treat a
foreign currency. One gets some in order to spend abroad, but it's useless
elsewhere.

The many small earners who joined various paid email reading programs etc.
and who are outexchanging their monthly earnings would be further
testamony to that.
Further, as more and more e-gold accounts are being opened from Asia, $10
- $50 is actually a serious balance in countries where people earn $50 -
$250 a month.
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Sidd,
I don't think you got me right. When talking about trust, I mean that
people are beginning to show the same trust for e-gold that they show for
fiat. People believe that if they have e-gold in their account they can go
to websites and buy goods and services for it. This has little to nothing
to do with trusting e-gold Ltd. or trusting that the gold is really there.
Quite frankly, in an active mercantile environment the only one who gives
a darn if there is any gold there is the one who holds it at the end of
the day. Everyone else used it and spent it in exchange for goods and
services.
As other currencies are used less actively and as the number of sites
accepting them as payment is smaller, those other currencies *must* show
that there is gold there, while e-gold doesn't need to, because nobody
really wants the gold; they want goods and services.
Why else would more and more people use evocash - which had been
questioned as a viable alternative from the onset, and which we still do
not accept as payment for our services? It is because people believe that
they can buy goods and services with it.
I think it was Danny who said a while ago that in the end, money is what
people are willing to accept as payment for goods and services.
And if a currency is not flowing then with people not offering goods and
services in exchange for it, what good is it then? If I want gold as an
investment I pick up the phone and have some bars shipped over from
Indonesia or go to a gold trader - who will charge me the daily London,
New York or Tokyo fix without surcharge, by the way.

Frank,
I agree that completely free negates the costs, but I suggested that the
currency operators should team up to offer the service. While thy may have
costs to store the physical gold, they have none to exchange it.
I have also used open2exchange for the first time yesterday, but the
problem with that is that I do not only pay 2% but also spend a few
minutes doing the exchange.
The scenario I based my post on is the one active merchants are in. We
have dual accounting in two offices, consolidate the books daily and move
funds around between accounts once or twice a month. The last thing we are
looking for is to start exchanging $4.00 of GoldMoney and $12.95 of
Pecunix and $2.99 of e-bullion into e-gold everyday. Having 16 active bank
and DGC accounts is consuming more than enough time.
Hence my suggestion that the currency operators should give merchants a
way to have it done automatically - on their own sites, right away when a
client makes a spend.
Of course, e-gold and everyone else charges a spend fee, which is fine. So
me saying that I want to receive $11 of e-gold when my client spends $11
of pecunix is inaccurate of course. What I meant was the automatic
exchanging bit at no surcharge or additional deduction.
I am aware of the fact that all currency operators would take my
suggestion personal. It is after all as if I had said that their kid was
ugly, as it were. But I really don't mean it that way. I sincerely think
that my suggestion is showing the way to more and more people accepting
and using all types of DGC.

While the free-market advocates embrace each new IG currency as more
competition, good for consumers, I think that we are dividing our strength
rather than making a concentrated effort. In other words, rather than
doing our best to have more people use IG in general, each operator wants
them use his currency in particular. Why did the world economy first begin
to base international trade on the US dollar? Because it makes economic
sense and made things easy. Why is everyone right now thinking but the
common denominator of IG is gold? Because it is. Why then doesn't it work
the same way the dollar does? Because most merchants quote in dollars, not
in grams, because that is what their customers expect from them.

In essence I am suggesting to measure other currencies in terms of e-gold.
But, because some IG have lower spend and lower storage fees, customers
would actually migrate from e-gold to the cheaper

[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...

2003-11-18 Thread James M. Ray

At 9:04 AM +1300 11/19/03, Sidd wrote:
...
So let's re-word my original statement. IMO Pecunix and Goldmoney are 
  more serious because they have PROOF that they have the gold in a 
vault. 

Frankly, Sidd, I see little difference with e-gold's examiner (and
nobody has ever touched stats). I believe the gold in e-gold is
there, if I did not I'd be gone. I have various reasons to believe
this, and frankly being a part of a scam would be boring to me,
as well as more technically challenging to a talented team than
just running an honest system. Can you prove to me that Via
Mat blue seal 0100601 is intact by alleging it on the internet?
No, not even with a PGP signature. I have no idea if it's there
or broken! PROVE to me it's one or the other, Sidd! (Take a
lot of time  money to do it, too!) See how you sound??!

Furthermore the babble about accountants not being trustworthy 
is nonsense, 

Bull. Accounting has undergone massive changes in the past
few years in the USA. Arther Andersen was (WAS!!!) a HUGE
company, and while it's no surprise their competition thinks
e-gold should have spent money on them, it's not particularly
relevant for ordinary users once it's pointed-out, IMO. Your
yammering can't change the fact that Andersen DIED, and a
LOT of trust has died with them. Like it or not, it's FACT, not
nonsense. I don't trust most accountants anymore.

I also think you discount the importance of personal reputation
and integrity. Doug could be a half-million dollar+ a year doctor
if he wanted to; he's doing e-gold because e-gold needed to be
done when he did it. It's no surprise the late-comers attack his
original creation, but the attacks need to be taken with a grain 
of salt IMO. 

Pecunix has at least 2 other independent parties (who 
aren't accountants) scrutinising the gold store. Each of these 

Go read the user agreement, there are independent parties
involved in the e-gold system, too. Ya know, the last time
this debate happened, OSgold quickly followed, I'm just
wondering which fake-currency is gonna die this time while
all attention is distracted towards the oldest gold currency
with AN EXCELLENT 7 YEAR REPUTATION...

As for vague customer service allegations, see Frank's
comments. The right of association is hardly weak if they
use it so often (hell, I didn't want to associate with *your*
Charity Chase site, Sidd! I dislike MLM, it's scammers in
my opinion in many/most cases!).
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[e-gold-list] Re: Your perception is YOUR reality, again!

2003-11-18 Thread Sidd



Graham Kelly wrote:
In any case, real history has shown that there are fruadulent/crooked
admin in both gold based, and non gold based ecurrencies.
Yes, that is why it is imperative to have proof of the value 
underwriting the currency, and that the value is safe from either 
incompetent or dishonest operators.

It's simple isn't it?

Sidd.

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[e-gold-list] Re: GolNow or should we say GoldNEVER ServiceComplaint

 No, Robert is not always right. 

Don't I know this better than most ;o) But I do keep trying.

 For a entity with over 2 customers it should be no problem to manage its DGC 
 stock the right way.

If an entitiy has over 20,000 customers, then these customers seem to
prefer dealing with that entity despite the occasional short comings.

 If GoldNow would provide instant service there would be no risk or CHANCE of price 
 fluctuations.

I was not aware that GoldNow controlled the international gold market
through the speed of their transactions - or occasional lack thereof. Dare
tell and enlighten us.

 Don't you reply to the e-mails of your customers?...I say good night.

We have some of the shortest response times in the industry, which is why
nobody gives it a second thought if they don't hear back from us. They
then usually think that we might have not received their email and simply
resend it.
Of course, if a client mails in ten minute intervalls, our system locks
him out for 6 hours after the third attempt, which makes customer support
more workable.

 Measly percents? Maybe you don't get it. Why are there so many 
 exchangers?...because of those measly percents?
 With their exchange business they attract customers to sell them higher priced 
 products (debit cards,...) later.

Yes, the revenue generated is not worth the effort required by some
clients. We facilitate exchangers and hence have a bit of an inside track
on things.
Most exchangers are one or two man outfits, many of which source their DGC
from the same one or two larger exchangers, which keeps things within a
manageable frame. The 'measly percents' are what these smaller outfits are
doing it for. That and the hope to hold gold in various IGs and sell it at
a higher price as the market moves in their favour.
Only a few actually sell their own cards - usually the largest ones - most
others are simply reselling those for another few measly percents.

Exchangers are viable on a very small scale and also on a very large one,
but they are a loosing proposition in between. Which is why so many
exchangers are tempted to try their hand at issuing their own IG currency
once they reach a certain size - which is why there is so many of IGs -
which is why nobody uses them.
  
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[e-gold-list] The real CRUX of the matter!

Sidd,

Simple theory, much harder to implement. And *that*, my erstwhile friend
and colleague, is possibly the crux of all fraud. Hey, I'm teachable, as
I'm sure you are. We spend serious $$$ on sorting out the crooks (3%)
from the genuine (97%). Hmmm, I may even yet apply for a PI licence.

Again, proof of backing doesn't even begin to guarantee the ethics/morals
of the company admin you are dealing with. Heck, a number of the
ecurrency providers (that you and I deal with on an everyday basis), are
owned by persons I don't know their NAMES, let alone have DD on!

Incidently, I have completed 100's of hours of verifying folks, and
ecurrency providers. The one provider I can vouch for, as far as backing
is concerned, is INTGold. Again, I cannot vouch for INTGold admin
ethics/morals/honesty, except to say I haven't had a dishonest
transaction with them yet, after hundreds of thousands $$$ transactions.
As far as Pecunix backing is concerned, (and I believe you when you say
Pecunix is backed), I haven't had a need to do so, on a needs basis...

Graham Kelly CEO

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:58:00 +1300, Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 
 Graham Kelly wrote:
  In any case, real history has shown that there are fruadulent/crooked
  admin in both gold based, and non gold based ecurrencies.
 
 Yes, that is why it is imperative to have proof of the value 
 underwriting the currency, and that the value is safe from either 
 incompetent or dishonest operators.
 It's simple isn't it?
 Sidd.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...

2003-11-18 Thread Sidd

Dear Jim,

James M. Ray wrote:
Can you prove to me that Via
Mat blue seal 0100601 is intact by alleging it on the internet?
No, not even ...
You can prove it yourself Jim... look up the escrow agent's phone
number and phone him... he will tell you. He personally inspected it.
If you like you can ask him to contact ViaMat and verify it right now.

I also think you discount the importance of personal reputation
and integrity.
No I don't. I have great respect for Doug, Jay and you. Remember I
merely said that I think Pecunix and Goldmoney are more serious about
doing things right. Obviously you disagree though your frustration
indicates this may be a sore point.

Pecunix has at least 2 other independent parties (who
aren't accountants) scrutinising the gold store. Each of these
Go read the user agreement, there are independent parties
involved in the e-gold system, too.
Ok, so does e-gold currently have a trustee or not? Did the existing
trustee resign or not? Who is the current trustee?

As for vague customer service allegations, see Frank's
comments.
Ok, I don't have access to the e-gold customer service records, I
talk from personal experience only. Five Months ago I changed
metal-escrow to open2exchange... I have sent 3 messages (with
attached image) at suitably polite intervals to e-gold customer
service and Randy, requesting my listing on the directory be updated.
I think I also sent you one message... to date I have not even had
the courtesy of a reply (except from you) and nothing has happened. I
am sure I am a very minor customer in the scheme of things, but heck,
I am still a customer.

The right of association is hardly weak if they
use it so often...
Yep, that's why I say it is weak. They use it so often and it appears
to be mostly ineffectual... hence the need to use it so often.

Many good suggestions have been made on this list about how it could
very simply be improved...

I am sorry to have caused you distress Jim, I simply offered my
opinion. I am an e-gold customer, and I earn some of my income
because e-gold is there. I would love to see e-gold get better,
because it would make life a lot easier. I truly wish there was an
e-gold representative who would listen and at least react, if not act.

Regards,

Sidd.

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow DMT/Alta

GK:

In any case, I believe DMT/Alta will be big...
Perhaps so.

so we are starting to move funds there. I just got caught out
with a simple funding order, and all my normal funding sources
reneged at the last second,
I am not unsympathetic with your situation in trying to
fund orders for many different currencies.  I'm curious
about funding sources reneging.
defeated me in my normally efficient
customer service contact role... doh!
I doubt if John would have commented on the nastygram from
your customer about this order if he didn't understand your
situation, and my purpose in commenting was the same.
I'm attempting to free myself!
May wonders never cease.

Regards,

Jim

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[e-gold-list] exchange provider biz

Dear Arik,

Shalom,
Shalom.

This reminded me that market makers have more expenses.
I don't like this term market maker. The term should
refer to arbitrageurs and institutional investors who
make the market, or to the broker-dealers who place
orders directly on the stock exchanges. I think the correct
English language term for the people who exchange money
and are currency experts is cambist. The term in
Spanish is cambio. Another term would be exchange
provider. In the New Testament, the term money changer
comes up.
I do not understand the market makers business.

It is a tough and not rewarding one.
I think it has its rewards. It depends on what you want to
do with your life.
Feel free to enlighten us on the ways to make money being
a market maker.
An exchange provider makes fees taking orders. Ideally,
he makes fees by selling digital gold and makes fees by
buying digital gold. Every once in a while, exchangers
of high reputation get very large orders and are able to
place them with bullion dealers or other major suppliers.
Exchangers can also sometimes make money by providing advice
on the movement of information including information about
money. Many successful exchangers offer other services,
such as debit cards, hosting, or what have you. There are
also several key exchangers who also operate currencies.
For example, you operate the Internet dollar currency,
right?
How a market maker does reduce his risk of Gold price changes?
Does Macy's tell Gimbel's? I don't think there is any deep
dark secret here. If you have a long position on gold, you
benefit from any increase in the price of gold. You can
match that long position with a short position which hedges
your risk of a price decrease. As you sell out of the long
position, you sell out of the short position, so that your
risk of price changes is always in balance. Since you can
leverage your short position and since you can sometimes
see the price of gold moving within a channel (recently it
touched a lower channel marker, intra-day, of $384 so I
felt it was a good bet it would recover all the way to $400)
you can minimize your hedging costs.
My best advice to you is to call John Kyle on the phone and
have him design a hedge position for you so that you are
always in fine fettle. He can probably hook you up with a
good broker for the short, too.
Still looking for lenders
How much do you seek to borrow? Contact me off list, please.

Regards,

Jim

[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow DMT/Alta

Jim,

Most of the ecurrencies that we get, we source/buy/exchange from our
customers, and most of the e-gold we get is from customers, and ecurrency
providers, other than e-gold themselves. Surprisingly enough, we get very
little INTGold from our customers as yet (God only knows what they do
with it all!), so we have to buy it from INTGold themselves.

I have started to set up sources of instant DMT currency, and simply
failed in my immediate endeavour. However, we, as always, never, never
give up!

That aside, we are *now* DMT funded! 

GK

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:50:07 -0600, Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 GK:
 
  In any case, I believe DMT/Alta will be big...
 
 Perhaps so.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...

2003-11-18 Thread jpm

At 3:29 PM +1300 11/19/03, Sidd wrote:
Ok, so does e-gold currently have a trustee or not? Did the existing
trustee resign or not? Who is the current trustee?
Why do you waste wear and tear on your keyboard typing, Sidd?

I'll bet anyone $100- there will be no sort of answer, at all, from
e-gold about this issue within six months.

SIlence.

Our mate JimR is in the impossible position of knowing the system is
OK, being told he's not allowed to be an official spokesperson for
the Company WIth No Spokespeson That Says Nothing Ever About Anything
At All, while trying to communicate that he feels it is OK. Why rail
on Jim - at least he tries his best. Who's done more to make IG's
real than Jim?

Meanwhile, e-gold is still the only system with any spends to speak
of - an observable fact.

As it is an observable fact that e-gold has no audit, and an unknown
trustee situation.

The simple reality (I'm sure you agree Sidd) is you will never, ever,
ever, ever know anything at all, one way or the other, about the
e-gold trustee situation because there will never be a comment about
it from e-gold.

Different people will be fed hints, behind the scenes, at what is
going on and those rumours everyone hears will be the closest to
facts

I'm sure you agree it is just LITERALLY a waste of typing, Sidd! Heh!

(There is STILL - CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS - not a **word** from e-gold
about the mysterious discrepency in the amount of e-gold and the
amount of gold - even more astonishingly we now see this amount
changes around over time! (Yes!) Compared to this the issue of
trustee - or not ?! is the merest trivia.)

Really - why waste time typing? I've given up asking! Be like me!

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