Re: [Fink-users] xcode313_2736

[David Lowe]

On Sep 1, 2009, at 15:30 , Eduardo Pestana wrote:

> "sudo mdutil -E /" then "sudo rm -fr /.Spotlight-V100"
>
> it always chokes at about 9% done.  Something new I found using  
> "Activity Monitor", "Inspect" and "Open Files and Ports" is that in  
> the entry:
>
> /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/ 
> HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/Resources/English.lproj/ 
> Localized.rsrc ->0x54cfd0
>
> the pointer? address? "->0x54cfd0" alternates with something like
>  "no FD socket available?"
>
> I already repaired the permissions, and did "/sbin/fsck -fy" said ok.
> Something strange is that some permissions, even after two passes,  
> stay the same, they are not set to their standard values.
>
> Any clues?


Then i second Mr. Howarth's earlier suggestion of a possible hard  
drive problem.

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Well shucky darn and slop the chickens.

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Re: [Fink-users] xcode313_2736

[Eduardo Pestana]

Dear Jack, David,

I did

"sudo mdutil -E /" then "sudo rm -fr /.Spotlight-V100"

it always chokes at about 9% done.  Something new I found using "Activity
Monitor", "Inspect" and "Open Files and Ports" is that in the entry:

/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/Resources/English.lproj/Localized.rsrc
->0x54cfd0

the pointer? address? "->0x54cfd0" alternates with something like
 "no FD socket available?"

I already repaired the permissions, and did "/sbin/fsck -fy" said ok.
Something strange is that some permissions, even after two passes, stay the
same, they are not set to their standard values.

Any clues?

Best and thanks,
Eduardo


On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:12 AM, David Lowe  wrote:

> On Sep 1, 2009, at 06:06 , Jack Howarth wrote:
>
> My guess would be that you could be suffering from bad blocks
>> on your drive. If you have AppleCare, you can use the free TechTool
>> Deluxe that they provide to scan for those. As for deleting that
>> file, read the article at...
>>
>> http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20061109235901299\
>>
>> as they mention this file, I believe...
>>
>>Entourage data Spotlight may not properly search Entourage data under
>> some circumstances. There are a few fixes for this issue:
>>
>>* Open Entourage's preferences and press "rebuild" under Spotlight
>> Preferences
>>* Restart and wait a few minutes while Spotlight indexes the new
>> data.
>>* Move the files "Microsoft Entourage.mdimporter" and Microsoft
>> "Office.mdimporter" from /Library/Spotlight to ~/Library/Spotlight and then
>> use the following command in the Terminal (the Terminal is located in
>> Applications/Utilities): mdimport
>> ~/Library/Caches/Metadata/Microsoft/Entourage/2004
>>
>
>Eduardo already said that he uninstalled Office some years ago, and
> may not wish to reinstall it to go through this procedure.  I would say that
> these two files didn't come with the OS, and therefore the OS shouldn't miss
> them if they are deleted.
>
> Using a rusty Amiga 4000T, a shiny PowerMac G5, & a homebuilt Ubuntu box
>
> We are healed from suffering only by experiencing it to the full.
>
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[Fink-users] Distribution: 10.6 on Snow Leopard

[Eric Jensen]

I had a problem today trying to install ruby 1.8.6 on Snow Leopard.  I  
have unstable enabled, but fink could only see ruby 1.8.5 and not  
1.8.6.  I finally realized this is because the 1.8.5 info file does  
not specify a Distribution, while 1.8.6 says "Distribution: 10.5" and  
since mine (10.6) didn't match that, it fell back to the package  
without any such dependency.  This doesn't seem like desirable  
behavior.  I took out the line requiring 10.5 and it installed (with  
one hack where i add const to the second argument of BN_rand_range and  
BN_psuedo_rand_range in /sw/src/fink.build/ruby18-1.8.6-p287-101// 
ruby-1.8.6-p287/ext/openssl/openssl_missing.*)

thanks,
eric

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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Ben Abbott]

On Sep 1, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Martin Costabel  wrote:

> Ben Abbott wrote:
> []
>> On Snow Leopard ...
>> sh-3.2$ env COMMAND_MODE=unix2003 sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
>> -n asdf
>> sh-3.2$ env COMMAND_MODE=legacy sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
>> asdfsh-3.2$
>
> OK, so this is still the same as on Leopard. What has changed is the  
> behavior of TeXShop, it seems to me. It doesn't supply the  
> COMMAND_MODE=legacy any more. Which version of TeXShop are you  
> running?
>

I'm running 2.26 ... Installed via Fink.

Ben

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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Martin Costabel]

Ben Abbott wrote:
[]
> On Snow Leopard ...
> 
> sh-3.2$ env COMMAND_MODE=unix2003 sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
> -n asdf
> sh-3.2$ env COMMAND_MODE=legacy sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
> asdfsh-3.2$ 

OK, so this is still the same as on Leopard. What has changed is the 
behavior of TeXShop, it seems to me. It doesn't supply the 
COMMAND_MODE=legacy any more. Which version of TeXShop are you running?

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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Ben Abbott]

On Tuesday, September 01, 2009, at 10:29AM, "Martin Costabel" 
 wrote:
>Mark J. Reed wrote:
>> OK, that confirms that what Martin said is true of Snow Leopard, which
>> I don't think was in question.  But he said it had been true since
>> Leopard, and that's the part that I think is in error.  If it wasn't
>> changed until SL, that would also explain why the current problem
>> didn't show up until SL.
>
>No, this behavior has been the same since the beginning of Leopard. 
>There has been a long campaign of correction of Fink packages, 
>eliminating "echo -n". Seeing who is its maintainer, I don't know why 
>altpdftex has escaped until now.
>
>[]
 $ sh
 sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
 Hellosh-3.2$ exit
 $ sh --posix
 sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
 Hellosh-3.2$
>
>I don't know how you do this, but it's not what I get on Leopard. Are 
>you sure you aren't running Tiger? Or do you set or unset the 
>environment variable COMMAND_MODE in one opf your startup scripts?
>>In the shells I have looked at on Leopard, this environment variable is 
>always set to unix2003. I am not sure where it is set, probably in the 
>Finder, but everything inherits this, unless it is changed explicitly.
>
>If you run altpdflatex with COMMAND_MODE=unix2003, you get the POSIX-sh 
>behavior Ben has seen on SnowLeopard and I have described on Leopard. If 
>you run it with COMMAND_MODE=legacy (and this is what TeXShop apparently 
>does on Leopard), you get the behavior Mark is seeing in sh.
>
>Try (on Leopard, I am not near my SL machine right now)
>
>env COMMAND_MODE=unix2003 sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
>env COMMAND_MODE=legacy sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
>

On Snow Leopard ...

sh-3.2$ env COMMAND_MODE=unix2003 sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
-n asdf
sh-3.2$ env COMMAND_MODE=legacy sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
asdfsh-3.2$ 

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Re: [Fink-users] xcode313_2736

[David Lowe]

On Sep 1, 2009, at 06:06 , Jack Howarth wrote:

> My guess would be that you could be suffering from bad blocks
> on your drive. If you have AppleCare, you can use the free TechTool
> Deluxe that they provide to scan for those. As for deleting that
> file, read the article at...
>
> http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20061109235901299\
>
> as they mention this file, I believe...
>
> Entourage data Spotlight may not properly search Entourage data  
> under some circumstances. There are a few fixes for this issue:
>
> * Open Entourage's preferences and press "rebuild" under  
> Spotlight Preferences
> * Restart and wait a few minutes while Spotlight indexes  
> the new data.
> * Move the files "Microsoft Entourage.mdimporter" and  
> Microsoft "Office.mdimporter" from /Library/Spotlight to ~/Library/ 
> Spotlight and then use the following command in the Terminal (the  
> Terminal is located in Applications/Utilities): mdimport ~/Library/ 
> Caches/Metadata/Microsoft/Entourage/2004

Eduardo already said that he uninstalled Office some years ago, and  
may not wish to reinstall it to go through this procedure.  I would  
say that these two files didn't come with the OS, and therefore the  
OS shouldn't miss them if they are deleted.

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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Mark J. Reed]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Martin Costabel wrote:
> I don't know how you do this, but it's not what I get on Leopard. Are you
> sure you aren't running Tiger?

Yes, it's Leopard.  Specifically, as I said in my earlier message, 10.5.8.

> Or do you set or unset the environment variable COMMAND_MODE in one opf your 
> startup scripts?

Ah, now we're on to something.  I do have COMMAND_MODE set to legacy,
so that explains that.  Thanks.

I was surprised to discover this setting in my environment, since it's
not set in any of the bash startup files, either system or mine.  It
turns out that the culprit is iTerm.  If I ssh in, COMMAND_MODE is not
set at all; if I fire up Terminal.app, it's set to unix2003.  But if I
run iTerm, I inherit COMMAND_MODE=legacy.  Odd feature, that.


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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Martin Costabel]

Mark J. Reed wrote:
> OK, that confirms that what Martin said is true of Snow Leopard, which
> I don't think was in question.  But he said it had been true since
> Leopard, and that's the part that I think is in error.  If it wasn't
> changed until SL, that would also explain why the current problem
> didn't show up until SL.

Here is a link (almost 3 years old) from Apple, explaining these issues:

and here is a discussion about TeXShop/simpdftex in this connection


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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Martin Costabel]

Mark J. Reed wrote:
> OK, that confirms that what Martin said is true of Snow Leopard, which
> I don't think was in question.  But he said it had been true since
> Leopard, and that's the part that I think is in error.  If it wasn't
> changed until SL, that would also explain why the current problem
> didn't show up until SL.

No, this behavior has been the same since the beginning of Leopard. 
There has been a long campaign of correction of Fink packages, 
eliminating "echo -n". Seeing who is its maintainer, I don't know why 
altpdftex has escaped until now.

[]
>>> $ sh
>>> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
>>> Hellosh-3.2$ exit
>>> $ sh --posix
>>> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
>>> Hellosh-3.2$

I don't know how you do this, but it's not what I get on Leopard. Are 
you sure you aren't running Tiger? Or do you set or unset the 
environment variable COMMAND_MODE in one opf your startup scripts?

In the shells I have looked at on Leopard, this environment variable is 
always set to unix2003. I am not sure where it is set, probably in the 
Finder, but everything inherits this, unless it is changed explicitly.

If you run altpdflatex with COMMAND_MODE=unix2003, you get the POSIX-sh 
behavior Ben has seen on SnowLeopard and I have described on Leopard. If 
you run it with COMMAND_MODE=legacy (and this is what TeXShop apparently 
does on Leopard), you get the behavior Mark is seeing in sh.

Try (on Leopard, I am not near my SL machine right now)

env COMMAND_MODE=unix2003 sh -c 'echo -n asdf'
env COMMAND_MODE=legacy sh -c 'echo -n asdf'

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Re: [Fink-users] xcode313_2736

[Jack Howarth]

Eduardo,
My guess would be that you could be suffering from bad blocks
on your drive. If you have AppleCare, you can use the free TechTool
Deluxe that they provide to scan for those. As for deleting that
file, read the article at...

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20061109235901299\

as they mention this file, I believe...

Entourage data Spotlight may not properly search Entourage data under some 
circumstances. There are a few fixes for this issue:

* Open Entourage's preferences and press "rebuild" under Spotlight 
Preferences
* Restart and wait a few minutes while Spotlight indexes the new data.
* Move the files "Microsoft Entourage.mdimporter" and Microsoft 
"Office.mdimporter" from /Library/Spotlight to ~/Library/Spotlight and then use 
the following command in the Terminal (the Terminal is located in 
Applications/Utilities): mdimport 
~/Library/Caches/Metadata/Microsoft/Entourage/2004


   Jack

On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 01:34:20AM -0430, Eduardo Pestana wrote:
> Dear Jack
> I did as you said.  I ran several times
> 
> lsof  | grep mdimport
> 
> and the output was frozen at what is shown below at the end of this email.
> 
> Please take a look at the last two entries (I copied them right here)
> 
> > /Spotlight/Microsoft Office.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Microsoft Office
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2   4907776   7789405
> > /Library/Spotlight/Microsoft
> > Office.mdimporter/Contents/Frameworks/MetroFramework.framework/Versions/12/MetroFramework
> >
> 
> It has been more than 2 years since I stopped using Microsoft Office.  I
> thought I had removed it completely.
> 
> Is it safe to remove the two aforementioned files?
> 
> Thanks,
> Eduardo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> $ lsof | grep mdimport
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 49264   9556274
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/Application.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Application
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2121232   1854381
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/RichText.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/RichText
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2103264   5469131
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/PDF.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/PDF
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 42400   6841160
> > /Applications/TeX/TeXShop.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/TeX.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/TeX
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2153760   5469115
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/Image.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Image
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 78576   9941500
> > /Developer/Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/SourceCode.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/SourceCode
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 49728   1856285
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/Archives.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Archives
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 70592   9556292
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/vCard.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/vCard
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 47808   1885741
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/Bookmarks.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Bookmarks
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 46912   8541711
> > /Applications/TeX/BibDesk.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/BibImporter.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/BibImporter
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 49616   5469143
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/SystemPrefs.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/SystemPrefs
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2120624   5469106
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/Audio.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Audio
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 38076   8732272
> > /Applications/cyberDuck3.1.2folder/Cyberduck.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/Cyberduck
> > Spotlight Importer.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Cyberduck Spotlight Importer
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 27780   5524942
> > /Applications/DjView.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/DjVu.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/DjVu
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 61504   2523817
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/iCal.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/iCal
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 89040   5469139
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/PS.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/PS
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 97168   9556280
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/Automator.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/Automator
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 38300 11078
> > /Applications/Black
> > Ink.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/CrosswordImporter.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/CrosswordImporter
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 63184   8098536
> > /System/Library/Spotlight/QuickTime.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/QuickTime
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2190416544690
> > /Library/Spotlight/iWeb.mdimporter/Contents/MacOS/iWeb
> > mdworker  2642  edu  txt  REG  14,2 69744   9013218
> > /Applications/NeoOffice.app/Contents/Library/Spotlight/neolight.mdimporter/Conten

Re: [Fink-users] kdeinit4.app and kde4 apps fail to run

[Alexander Hansen]

vibnwis wrote:
>
> Having googled for that, I found and experimented myself that to allow
kde4 apps to work I have to run the /sw/bin/init.sh which the fink
environment if I am not wrong. Having opened the X11 term which has the
/sw/bin/init in the .xinitrc, I can run mostly all kde4 apps. In other
words, I can't run all the kde4 apps until I run X11 term which runs
/sw/bin/init.sh.
>
It doesn't have to be an xterm.  If your fink environment is set up
properly, then it should be run automatically when you open the regular
OS X terminal, too.  If you run "printenv PATH" when you open a window
from the OS X terminal, are /sw/bin and /sw/sbin present?

> I have tried various methods by putting /sw/bin/init.sh into the login
startup menu. None of those effort product positive results. Does anyone
know how to run /sw/bin/init at login.
>

Items that are run at login are processed as a different way; they
should work automatically.

> The only useful apps for me for the moment is Wireshark. However, that
doesn't run as kde4.app. I have to run from shell.

As expected:  It's an X11 app, and OS X treats it as such.

>
> Welcome any comments.
>
> --- On *Mon, 8/31/09, Alexander Hansen //*
wrote:
>
>
> From: Alexander Hansen 
> Subject: Re: [Fink-users] kdeinit4.app and kde4 apps fail to run
> To: "vibnwis" 
> Cc: fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 10:43 AM
>
> vibnwis wrote:
> > Hi there,
>
> > Having installed kde4 through fink, I move on to run the kde apps.
> > However, I couldn't get any of kde4 apps running. The icons appear
> > blinking in the Dock and disappear after a while. Here are the commands
> > I use:
>
> >1. launchctl load
> > /Library/LaunchAgents/org.freedesktop.dbus-session.plist
> >2. sudo chown -R $USER ~/Library/Preferences/KDE
> >3. open /sw/opt/kde4/mac/bin/kdeinit4.app
>
> > But if I use command, startkde & which is to start kde 3.5. I could run
> > kde4 apps without any problems even I have quited kde 3.5.
>
> > I want to get rid of kde 3.5 and run kde4 apps directly from Finder.
> > Would someone please help?
>
> > thanks
> > vibnwis
>
>
> (We don't remember what OS version you're running)
>
> KDE-mac doesn't use startkde.  That's for kde3.5, as you just noticed.
> And running kdeinit4 directly probably doesn't do what you want, since
> we don't have a full desktop in the -mac variant.
>
> I'm able to run KDE4 apps directly from the Finder, though I haven't
> tried all of them.  Do you have specific apps that don't work?
>



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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Mark J. Reed]

OK, that confirms that what Martin said is true of Snow Leopard, which
I don't think was in question.  But he said it had been true since
Leopard, and that's the part that I think is in error.  If it wasn't
changed until SL, that would also explain why the current problem
didn't show up until SL.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Ben Abbott wrote:
>
> On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Mark J. Reed wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Martin Costabel
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark J. Reed wrote:

 OK, now I'm confused.  On my Leopard box (10.5.8), /bin/sh is a link
 to bash  - hm, a separate copy, actually -  and behaves just like bash
 does in 'sh mode' on other platforms, including honoring -n in echo.
>>>
>>> Read "man bash" about the startup procedure. Bash behaves differently
>>> when
>>> it is started under the name "sh".
>>
>> I know.  That's what I meant by "bash in 'sh mode'".  Pasted from
>> Terminal:
>>
>> $ sh
>> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
>> Hellosh-3.2$ exit
>> $ sh --posix
>> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
>> Hellosh-3.2$
>>
>> Are you sure you're not thinking of a developer prerelease of SL
>> rather than Leopard?]
>
> I'm using Snow Leopard purchased from Apple.
>
> ben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$ sh
> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
> -n Hello
> sh-3.2$ exit
> exit
> ben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$ sh --posix
> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
> -n Hello
> sh-3.2$ exit
> exit
> ben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$ echo -n Hello
> Helloben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$
>
> Ben
>
>



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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Ben Abbott]

On Sep 1, 2009, at 5:15 AM, Mark J. Reed wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Martin Costabel  
> wrote:
>> Mark J. Reed wrote:
>>> OK, now I'm confused.  On my Leopard box (10.5.8), /bin/sh is a link
>>> to bash  - hm, a separate copy, actually -  and behaves just like  
>>> bash
>>> does in 'sh mode' on other platforms, including honoring -n in echo.
>>
>> Read "man bash" about the startup procedure. Bash behaves  
>> differently when
>> it is started under the name "sh".
>
> I know.  That's what I meant by "bash in 'sh mode'".  Pasted from  
> Terminal:
>
> $ sh
> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
> Hellosh-3.2$ exit
> $ sh --posix
> sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
> Hellosh-3.2$
>
> Are you sure you're not thinking of a developer prerelease of SL
> rather than Leopard?]

I'm using Snow Leopard purchased from Apple.

ben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$ sh
sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
-n Hello
sh-3.2$ exit
exit
ben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$ sh --posix
sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
-n Hello
sh-3.2$ exit
exit
ben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$ echo -n Hello
Helloben-abbotts-macbook-pro:~ bpabbott$

Ben


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Re: [Fink-users] Snow Leopard, TeXShop, & tetex = trouble for me

[Mark J. Reed]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Martin Costabel wrote:
> Mark J. Reed wrote:
>> OK, now I'm confused.  On my Leopard box (10.5.8), /bin/sh is a link
>> to bash  - hm, a separate copy, actually -  and behaves just like bash
>> does in 'sh mode' on other platforms, including honoring -n in echo.
>
> Read "man bash" about the startup procedure. Bash behaves differently when
> it is started under the name "sh".

I know.  That's what I meant by "bash in 'sh mode'".  Pasted from Terminal:

$ sh
sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
Hellosh-3.2$ exit
$ sh --posix
sh-3.2$ echo -n Hello
Hellosh-3.2$

Are you sure you're not thinking of a developer prerelease of SL
rather than Leopard?




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