[Flightgear-devel] 2 Oct, 8pm USA Eastern time: Heads up, main web server scheduled maintenance.
Here is a quick heads up for everyone. On October 2, at about 8pm USA Eastern Time Zone (GMT-5), the main FlightGear server will be down for scheduled maintenance for about 30-60 minutes. The physical hardware is being relocated to a larger facility. Thanks for your patience! Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60133471iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] --jpg-httpd command line option
If someone decides to jump into this, another feature that would be cool would be to stream the display out as a video stream which could then be played by any number of video players on a remote computer (like mplayer.) ffmpeg probably would provide library support to make this pretty straightforward, but I haven't had a chance to dive in and see how easy/hard it would be. One area where this feature could be useful is in UAV research and simulation where you'd like to emulate a live video feed back to a ground station. It could also be fun for sharing/broadcasting your simulator session and probably could be made to work with a web video server. In my own experimentation I've been able to sort of do this by using ffmpeg to capture an area of the screen, encode it as h.264 and send it off to a remote destination as a udp video stream, for example: ffmpeg -f x11grab -s vga -r 15 -b 100k -preset ultrafast -tune zerolatency -maxrate 100k -i :0.0+1,58 -f mpegts -vcodec h.264 udp:// remote.host.name.org:1234 But this requires careful manual sizing and placement of my flightgear window and it would be cool to have this built right in... I've seen other apps that can do this so I know it's technically possible, and I imagine not too much coding once you figure out the magic to make it happen. Curt. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:16 AM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 10:41, Rick Armstrong waitingfortheelectric...@gmail.com wrote: -DJPEG_FACTORY:BOOL=ON in CMake. My question: before I go down that road, does anyone know if the JPG HTTPD functionality works? If yes, does it work well? The fact that it's turned-off by default makes me think that it might not be ready for prime-time. Any advice is greatly appreciated. It's turned off for build reasons, not because it's new or untested. I believe many people have used it exactly the way you describe. If you encounter problems, they should be easy to fix and patches are welcome! (The build reasons could actually be solved by using OSGDB to write out the files instead of using libjpeg directly - this would mean the feature could be enabled all the time, i.e removed from CMake, and also we could write out PNGs instead of JPEGs if desired - if you have any interested in doing this, I can point you at examples since the screenshot code was converted to do the same thing recently -it's probably a couple of hours hacking at most) Kind regards, James -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Howto download aircraft ( and others data ) from Git
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM, grtuxhangar team hohora...@gmail.comwrote: Curt, Thanks for the joke Ahmad Hi Ahmad, I was offering a serious suggestion. I did say that it wouldn't be appropriate for everyone, and I do not know your personal situation. If you derived humor from my suggestion, then I will make a mental note of the unexpected joke so I can try to use it again sometime. If you derived something less positive, then that was not intended and must have it's source elsewhere. Best regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58040911iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] With best regards...
Hi Thorsten, I'm looking forward to that all working seamlessly. I'm courting a possible project where I'd need to visualize landing a helicopter on a destroyer in heavy sea state, so having pretty clouds combined with all the bells and whistles for the ocean environment (waves, foam, glint, wake, etc.) would be pretty spiffy. I still might be out of luck because we might want to run with shadows on since that is such a valuable depth cue in judging height above a surface But any step towards everything working with everything is a good deal. :-) Thanks, Curt. On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Renk Thorsten thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fiwrote: ... to Vivian, the converted wake shader appears to be working http://users.jyu.fi/~trenk/pics/als_new_8_13_02.jpg (not sure when I will be able to commit it, but at least the work is done). * Thorsten -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Introducing Performance Central, a new site from SourceForge and AppDynamics. Performance Central is your source for news, insights, analysis and resources for efficient Application Performance Management. Visit us today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897511iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched
I think the main initial hurdle here is to get the Mac Windows releases sorted out on Jenkins (if they aren't already). We've done the code freeze and branch on schedule so we are mostly down to the mechanics and time of actually building and pushing the release out the door. Thanks, Curt. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Pat, On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:11 AM, Pat wrote: One reschedule is a good idea. Would an indefinite delay, with a promise republishing the schedule by a given date be appropriate or desirable? An indefinite delay would risk the release never being completed, and we'd be back where we were before with big gaps between releases. A defined delay gives us all something to aim for :) Plus we want to get this release completed so we can start on the Christmas release, tentatively named 3.0.0. -Stuart -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.12 is branched
We would need permission from Torsten D, our release manager, but I would also second Thorsten R's proposal to defer the 2.12 release by a week or two. I have been spread very thin this summer with my day job projects and will be out of town myself on the 16-18 of August. I think we should at minimum get the Mac and Windows build slaves going, generate release candidates for both platforms, and push those out in the wild for a week (and address any major issues that surface) before finalizing the actual release. I apologize for not being more out in front of this ... this has been the summer from hell (work-wise) for me. Regards, Curt. On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 7:24 AM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: On 13 Aug 2013, at 12:58, Renk Thorsten thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi wrote: On the risk of making myself really unpopular, but would now be a good time to defer the release? It seems James is caught in the middle of moving, Stuart indicated some other private things piling up, I have the maddest travelling schedule I've ever had in my life this fall, and I haven't seen a number of other folks around for a while, we don't have release candidates out which will have impacts on bugfixes, assuming there'd be anyone around capable of doing bugfixes,... It seems we've hit a fluctuation where pretty much everyone is occupied with something else at the moment (?) - if that's the case, should we still go ahead? That's possibly a fair suggestion. I am scheduled to get my new broadband connection up and running tomorrow (Wednesday) so the Mac build slave will be available at that time (with decent upstream bandwidth again). However my time is a bit fragmented and likely to remain so for a few weeks - I'm happy to merge patches or anything else anyone explicitly requests, but I'm not focused enough to start chasing other people to get things done :) Once the Mac build slave is back, the biggest obstacle to an RC is getting the Windows build slaves to behave; if anyone on Windows could look at the Jenkins logs and shed any light, it would help. Kind regards, James -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] internal telnet weirdness
For a work project I ended up modifying a qt program (C++) to talk to the
FlightGear interface. I pulled in the plib socket routines and used those,
mostly because I was unaware of/unfamiliar with the qt socket routines. My
approach maybe wasn't quite as clean as doing everything in already
available qt functions, but I haven't had any problems with the
communication.
Regards,
Curt.
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Adrian Musceac kanto...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, August 09, 2013 13:21:45 James Turner wrote:
Qt sockets are very thin wrappers around BSD / Windows sockets. More
likely
to be a character set / encoding issue? Remember you need to be explicit
about encoding when going from 8-bit representation to a QString.
That said I've no experience with the FG telnet code. If you want to post
your client code I'm happy to quickly look at it.
James.
Hi James,
You're quite correct, I also think it's an encoding issue. Qt 4.8 had a
toAscii() translation, while Qt 5.1 has got rid of that and supposedly it's
functionality is enclosed in toLatin1().
Basically I've reached a state where out of ideas I'm just reading the
response one char after another, then appending it to a QString.
QString line;
while(!_socket-canReadLine()){}
...snip...
while ((!endOfLine)) {
char c;
int bytesRead = _socket-read(c, sizeof(c));
...snip...
line.append( c );
Then after testing for a '\r' char which signals the end of line, I'm
returning the QString to it's user.
I have to use a blocking approach due to the already existing structure,
but
it's not a problem, since this is on it's own thread. I think the encoding
is
the problem here, but I don't have a clue why the Python wrapper does it
right
while Qt doesn't.
Cheers,
Adrian
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Article about non-profit organizations for free software
Hi Stefan, Thanks for posting the LWN link. Definitely some good advice to think about. From the 2 minutes I can afford to think about these things right now, I definitely agree that joining an umbrella organization would be the best option for FlightGear should we choose to move forward on any of this. Finding the right umbrella organization might be the trickier part. :-) Curt. On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Stefan Seifert n...@detonation.org wrote: Hi! we had the discussion a while ago and now lwn.net published a great article on the subject: http://lwn.net/Articles/561336/ According to http://wiki.flightgear.org/Project_Infrastructure_Enhancements it's still an open issue on how to handle donations to FlightGear. Well worth a read, Stefan -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Get 100% visibility into Java/.NET code with AppDynamics Lite! It's a free troubleshooting tool designed for production. Get down to code-level detail for bottlenecks, with 2% overhead. Download for free and get started troubleshooting in minutes. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48897031iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Saitek radio and multifunction panels
Hi Pat, Just a quick reply. I think the hardest part will be reading the actual hardware. If that's easy (can it be done in a cross platform way?) then if the hardware presents itself similar to a joystick, it would simply be a matter of connecting up the buttons and axis with the appropriate property values via a joystick config file. It's probably not that easy, but the long pole in the tent from my perspective would be reading the switch/button/dial values off the actual hardware. If you can do that, I'm sure we can find a straightforward way to bridge the connection to flightgear. Thanks, Curt. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:39 AM, not a webot not.we...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All; Is anyone working on either of these panels? I have both and I'm a C realtime, safety critical software engineer. If Someone is working on developing an interface for the panels I'd like to pitch in, if no one is can someone point me towards a good starting point? Thanks, Pat -- - If you can’t be a good example, then you’ll just have to be a horrible warning. -Catherine -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- See everything from the browser to the database with AppDynamics Get end-to-end visibility with application monitoring from AppDynamics Isolate bottlenecks and diagnose root cause in seconds. Start your free trial of AppDynamics Pro today! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=48808831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Positioning Aircraft: accuracy
It really smells like a double - float conversion somewhere in the pipeline (more than a geocentric / geodetic conversion or something like that). Curt. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:01 PM, D-NXKT d_n...@yahoo.de wrote: How far off is the aircraft placement - how much is the jump? Is it many hundreds of meters, or on the order a meter or two, or just centimeters? Jon Several meters! Or more precise: first: lat= 47.306263 lon= 11.379070 jump to: lat= 47.3062060567 lon= 11.3790703145 ^ Difference = 6.34 meters (20.80 ft) Best regards D-NXKT -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reminder: entering feature freeze now
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote: Having thought about this a bit more I'm going to propose we do 2.12.0 now and pre-announce 3.0 as the Feb 2014 release to give us just a little more time to prepare and make the 3.0 as polished as possible. After all, it'll be the third major release in 15 years :) . We currently have about 3 weeks before the release branches are cut, and we'll have some 7 weeks for bug hunting. For a 2.12.0 release, that's business as usual, but I can imagine that many aircraft developers in particular would want to perform some extra TLC before a major release. Externally, 3.0 is going to be considered a bigger deal than 2.12.0. Declaring that the Feb 2014 release will be 3.0 now will give everyone plenty of notice, and might encourage efforts to fix bugs in the next 6 months. I'm aware that my FG development time is more limited these days, and given activity on this list I suspect I'm not alone, so this time might be quite useful. Whatever way we go, I suggest that we zero-pad the minor release digit after 3.0.0 so we have 3.02, 3.04 etc. to reduce confusion if we reach double digits. Hi Stuart, before you wrote your message, I was going to write that my preference is to cut over to 3.0.0 for this release. :-) That said, we probably created and endured most of the potential confusion when we went with 2.10.x so continuing on with 2.12.x probably doesn't make things any worse for ourselves at this point. In retrospect, I can see how this has the ability to create confusion ... many computer systems sort file names in ascii order, many people don't seem to pay careful attention to where the decimal points are placed, etc. Once we clear past the 2.10, 2.12, etc. series, I'd like to go back to keeping things single digits in the major and minor version numbers and when we run out of a single digits bump up the major number (so 3.8.x - 4.0.x). Number are numbers, but this one confused a lot more people than I expected it would or should so maybe it's good to be sensitive to that after we clear the 2.x series of versions. So to summarize, I would have voted for 3.0.x as my personal preference, but numbers are numbers and 2.12 works just as well for me. This email probably took me 5 minutes to write, so I've said what I wanted to say and I'm done worrying about it now, whatever the final consensus is. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Positioning Aircraft: accuracy
The hang glider is using the UIUC fdm, right? Perhaps that is using a float (6-7 digits of precision) to represent it's initial conditions ... or somewhere in the startup pipeline or the flightgear interface to the uiuc model, the initial lon/lat is stored as a float? On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:27 PM, D-NXKT d_n...@yahoo.de wrote: Hmm, everything is fine if I use a different plane. Seems to be a hang glider specific problem. Monitoring the latitude and longitude variabel from the very beginning shows, that both variables have at first indeed the correct values. Then the latitude value suddenly jumps from 47.306263 to 47.306206. Sorry for the noise. Best regards D-NXKT -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] some models updates available
Hi Ahmad, Have you done any work on the water drop animation with the PBY? Thanks, Curt. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:06 AM, grtuxhangar team hohora...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, One of our member within our grthteam has been working on updates gpl compliant regarding some old models which were done by Gérard many years ago. You may find these models updated at https://gitorious.org/eekpo at the moment Have been updated, only the F8E Crusader https://gitorious.org/eekpo/f-8e-crusader and the PBY Catalina https://gitorious.org/eekpo/pby-catalina Probably some others update will come on, if so, you will be notified in time. you may get them with git clone g...@gitorious.org:eekpo/f-8e-crusader.git git clone g...@gitorious.org:eekpo/pby-catalina.git These updated models have been tested with the recent GIT version, thus it should work with next FG version. You may want to update the old original ones, within FGDATA Thank Ahmad BTW: there won't be any conflict with our Creative Common Official Hangar content, since these models are developed to an other direction -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] some models updates available
When I tried to actually drop the water from the air, the animation was wrong. The transparency was missing and the bloom just grew around the aircraft and looked really strange and wrong. I had someone recently ask about setting up a larger simulation system to do water bomber training so I looked at the catalina a bit to see if the water bombing was still working end-to-end. So just to clarify ... the problem I was seeing was when you released the water, not when you pick it up. Thanks, Curt. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 12:27 PM, grtuxhangar team hohora...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Curt Are you referring to these effects https://picasaweb.google.com/117502256492585017152/PBY6_Catalina#5892357109439172466 https://picasaweb.google.com/117502256492585017152/PBY6_Catalina#5892357223444840834 or something else ? I did not tried out the versions which are offered on GIT (the capacity of my computer is limited) , however i guess these effects are there. Anyhow i may ask to the author. Thank, Ahmad On 22 June 2013 17:03, Curtis Olson curtol...@flightgear.org wrote: Hi Ahmad, Have you done any work on the water drop animation with the PBY? Thanks, Curt. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:06 AM, grtuxhangar team hohora...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, One of our member within our grthteam has been working on updates gpl compliant regarding some old models which were done by Gérard many years ago. You may find these models updated at https://gitorious.org/eekpo at the moment Have been updated, only the F8E Crusader https://gitorious.org/eekpo/f-8e-crusader and the PBY Catalina https://gitorious.org/eekpo/pby-catalina Probably some others update will come on, if so, you will be notified in time. you may get them with git clone g...@gitorious.org:eekpo/f-8e-crusader.git git clone g...@gitorious.org:eekpo/pby-catalina.git These updated models have been tested with the recent GIT version, thus it should work with next FG version. You may want to update the old original ones, within FGDATA Thank Ahmad BTW: there won't be any conflict with our Creative Common Official Hangar content, since these models are developed to an other direction -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reminder: entering feature freeze now
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM, grtuxhangar team hohora...@gmail.comwrote: Pushing in front your supposed to be know how is not an argument , usually the more person' s know how is great the less they are pretending to have it. Please stop to pretend to be the best. Don't tell the FG feature can't be improved with Rembrandt by exposing some similar eye candy you are getting with your ALS, Have you thought about the Rembrandt lights functions, and others effects. For sure the way you have been developing has created a big gap, thus it would be difficult to mix both systems. Anyhow the GPU CPU systems is less significant, than the programs which are developed, and the way they are using the resources. Hmmm, ignore or comment ... ? I realize not every person gets along with every other person perfectly every day. That's part of life and I can't do anything about it. However, I would prefer if personal notes like this one would be sent privately. I think the list works much better if we keep our communication as professional as possible. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website down?
Support request has been filed! Hopefully it will be back soon. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Gary Neely grne...@gmail.com wrote: Same here. Fatal error: Out of memory (allocated 2621440) (tried to allocate 7680 bytes) in /home/flightge/public_html/wp-includes/pomo/mo.php on line 229 -Gary aka Buckaroo On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Wil Neeley bentchic...@gmail.com wrote: Its down for we too, and delivery failed for webmas...@flightgear.org Wil Neeley On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Chris Calef chris.ca...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Just wondering if flightgear.org is down for everyone or just me? I'm getting fatal server errors like this: *Fatal error*: Out of memory (allocated 1048576) (tried to allocate 7680 bytes) in */home/flightge/public_html/wp-includes/compat.php* on line *41* Cheers, Chris C -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website down?
I think there's more things wrong with the machine because everything is broke right now. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Roland Haeder rol...@mxchange.org wrote: On 06/19/2013 08:52 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: Support request has been filed! Hopefully it will be back soon. It is a setting in php.ini: memory_limit = 64M ... says 64 MB should be allocated for PHP scripts (sounds a lot, but modern apps need around 64-128 (32 is to far less). Roland -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website down?
That's on a different server ... On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@iaksess.no wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:23:29 -0500, Curtis wrote in message CAHtsj_d4yiSETmD5AQT0=0a_XjGf8AkQFVKgWWEZe6=rxmu...@mail.gmail.com: I think there's more things wrong with the machine because everything is broke right now. ..http://wiki.flightgear.org/Main_Page is still up, maybe put a www mirror somewhere and point to it? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website down?
Should be back up again now. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@flightgear.orgwrote: That's on a different server ... On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Arnt Karlsen a...@iaksess.no wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:23:29 -0500, Curtis wrote in message CAHtsj_d4yiSETmD5AQT0=0a_XjGf8AkQFVKgWWEZe6=rxmu...@mail.gmail.com: I think there's more things wrong with the machine because everything is broke right now. ..http://wiki.flightgear.org/Main_Page is still up, maybe put a www mirror somewhere and point to it? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Does Flightgear have a problem with Ubuntu nouveau drivers
00:00 0 ac914000-ac97d000 r-xp 08:01 2366503 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsecommon-3.0.so ac97d000-ac97e000 r--p 00068000 08:01 2366503 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsecommon-3.0.so ac97e000-ac97f000 rw-p 00069000 08:01 2366503 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pulseaudio/libpulsecommon-3.0.so ac97f000-acb0 rw-p 00:00 0 acb0-acc0 rw-p 00:00 0 acc1d000-acc3d000 rw-s 1624e2000 00:05 10434 /dev/dri/card0 acc3d000-ad20 rw-p 00:00 0 ad20-ad30 rw-p 00:00 0 ad31f000-ad33f000 rw-s 162492000 00:05 10434 /dev/dri/card0 ad33f000-ad40 rw-p 00:00 0 ad40-ad50 rw-p 00:00 0 ad51e000-ad53e000 rw-s 16246e000 00:05 10434 /dev/dri/card0 ad53e000-adc0 rw-p 00:00 0 adc0-ade0 rw-p 00:00 0 ade0-adf0 rw-p 00:00 0 adf1c000-ae60 rw-p 00:00 0 ae60-ae70 rw-p 00:00 0 ae707000-ae727000 rw-s 162444000 00:05 10434 /dev/dri/card0 ae727000-ae72f000 r-xp 08:01 2364464 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXrender.so.1.3.0 ae72f000-ae73 r--p 7000 08:01 2364464 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXrender.so.1.3.0 ae73-ae731000 rw-p 8000 08:01 2364464 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXrender.so.1.3.0 ae731000-ae73a000 r-xp 08:01 2364438 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libXcurAborted (core dumped) Cheers Innis -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some Help
And for the Mac, look at the flightgear launcher for 'install add on' (or something similarly worded). Just select the thing (airplane or scenery chunk) you want to install and it will do the right thing for you automatically. Curt. On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Jonathan Tanant jonat...@free.fr wrote: Hi ! Actually on Mac, apps are packages (a directory presented by the system as an app). So to access to FlightGear data, you need to right click on FlightGear app, show package contents, and then you should be able to navigate to data folder inside. Best, Jonathan. Le 10 juin 2013 à 04:09, Ante Cugura a écrit : Dear FlightGear Team, I am a twelve-year-old airplane fan, and have just downloaded the FlightGear software. I use a MacBook Air laptop, which uses the Mac OS X software. However, I would like to download extra planes and scenery so I can have more fun playing with the simulator. Even after following all the instructions that it tells me on your wiki pages and on your website, nothing has provided me with the help that I need. I am able to download the files themselves that I want, but I am not able to drag them into any of the FlightGear software folders, which is what I suspect needs to be able to happen in order for me to access the scenery and aircraft when I use the simulator. It would be much appreciated if you could provide some assisstance with my problems using FlightGear. Kind Regards, Ante Cugura Email: ante...@hotmail.com -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- How ServiceNow helps IT people transform IT departments: 1. A cloud service to automate IT design, transition and operations 2. Dashboards that offer high-level views of enterprise services 3. A single system of record for all IT processes http://p.sf.net/sfu/servicenow-d2d-j___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] osm2city.py
Hi Thomas, That is way cool! I'm also really looking forward to seeing this come together. Would this data set include airport hangar buildings as well? The Lowi screenshot looks really nice! Curt. On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Thomas Albrecht ra...@web.de wrote: Dear list, in particular Stuart, please let me 'officially' announce my project osm2city.py [1,2] here. This python script takes OSM floor plans and generates 3D buildings for use with flightgear. I'm planning to develop this into a procedural city generator which would take a street network and then reasonably places (random) buildings. The ultimate goal is (obviously) to improve FG's representation of cities. It's at a rather early stage, and for the moment I prefer python for quick prototyping. BUT, I know quite some C/C++, and compile from latest GIT sources regularly. In the future, I'm definately willing to move this into FG (in one form or another). Tom [1] http://wiki.flightgear.org/Osm2city.py [2] http://flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=19625 -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tree issues
When I've seen the bits of pixels on the very edges of the transparent tree areas it has sure looked like a texture wrapping issue to me. This is a flag you can turn on/off at least at the low level of opengl and I'm sure OSG would expose this. Basically the bits at the very top of the tree probably line up nicely with the bits at the bottom. You want this when you are tiling textures and mipmapping together to avoid seeing the seams, but with billboard textures you probably want to turn this off, and it especially stands out with transparent textures. Regards, Curt. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Renk Thorsten wrote: Definitely looks like it. Could you provide some further details on this please: a) Where are you seeing this ? b) which materials file (dds ? regions? ) c) Have you deleted the Textures.high file to use lower resolution textures? The trees in the screenshot look even more blocky than normal. After fresh pull yesterday, I can confirm the issue. a) Caribbean and French Alps so far b) using regional definitions c) no - just tried out of the box I spent some time last night trying to repro this without much success. There is an issue with the very nice Caribbean texture (Textures.high/Trees/tropical-alt.png) which I've got a fix for, but other than that The only time I saw anything like what Vivian and you have reported is at very very long range where I can just make out a hat if I look carefully enough. This makes me think that this might be something to do with the way that our graphics cards are generating the mipmaps. Do either of you see the same issue with dds textures? I also went through all the tree textures to check that there weren't overlaps on the boundaries, and in all cases except as noted above, there's at least a 1 pixel gap above the top of the UV map. I could push a speculative fix setting the UV map for trees to a maximum height of 0.24 rather than 0.25 and see if that makes a difference, but it feels very much like a workaround. Any other ideas would be most welcome, as at the moment I'm a bit stumped as to how to fix this. -Stuart -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tree issues
Vivian, Your description makes sense in conjunction with a mipmapping issue. Think about how mipmapping works. The default mipmap generation algorithm creates the 1/2 size image by averaging each 2x2 block of pixels in the higher level down to 1 pixel in the next level. Then repeat, generating the 1/4 size image from the 1/2 size image. You can see that at smaller image sizes, each pixel will draw information from a wide block of pixels out of the original so there can be a lot of bleeding across. This also impacts alpha levels so transparency is another one that doesn't usually mipmap as you'd expect/wish. Note to people who hadn't noticed this before -- the requirement that texture sizes be powers of two allows the mipmapping level creating scheme to be well defined, and if your texture dimensions aren't an even power of two, they are probably getting scaled to the next size down under the hood when they are loaded by OSG. I'm not sure what to do about the tree problem though -- it might help to divide up the internal image into power of 2 chunks, go 4 trees across the texture rather than 5 (just for example.) That might split down further before producing artifacts if we aren't already doing that. (?) I've heard graphics guru's speak of using other algorithms to generate the mip map levels, or even manually creating them. In some cases I think you need to consider this sort of thing even though it's a pain and blows up the size of the distributed texture if we need to also include the pregenerated mipmap levels. Curt. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.netwrote: Stuart On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Renk Thorsten wrote: Definitely looks like it. Could you provide some further details on this please: a) Where are you seeing this ? b) which materials file (dds ? regions? ) c) Have you deleted the Textures.high file to use lower resolution textures? The trees in the screenshot look even more blocky than normal. After fresh pull yesterday, I can confirm the issue. a) Caribbean and French Alps so far b) using regional definitions c) no - just tried out of the box I spent some time last night trying to repro this without much success. There is an issue with the very nice Caribbean texture (Textures.high/Trees/tropical-alt.png) which I've got a fix for, but other than that The only time I saw anything like what Vivian and you have reported is at very very long range where I can just make out a hat if I look carefully enough. This makes me think that this might be something to do with the way that our graphics cards are generating the mipmaps. Do either of you see the same issue with dds textures? I also went through all the tree textures to check that there weren't overlaps on the boundaries, and in all cases except as noted above, there's at least a 1 pixel gap above the top of the UV map. I could push a speculative fix setting the UV map for trees to a maximum height of 0.24 rather than 0.25 and see if that makes a difference, but it feels very much like a workaround. Any other ideas would be most welcome, as at the moment I'm a bit stumped as to how to fix this. I'm using a very recent pull of fgdata with no local mods. The hat effect shows up from low angles in all material modes - regional/global/dds. It's most apparent at EGMH, but can also be seen at KSFO. At higher angles or if I zoom in it disappears from the closer trees - but, like you, I can still see it at longer ranges. The angle/range effect would suggest that it's a mipmap thing - perhaps try a bit more space around the trees in the texture? I would give you some screenshots - but that's broken here. Vivian -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic_d2d_apr ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Try New Relic Now We'll Send You this Cool Shirt New Relic is the only SaaS-based application performance monitoring service that delivers powerful full stack analytics. Optimize and monitor your browser, app, servers with just a few lines of code. Try New Relic and get this awesome Nerd Life shirt! http://p.sf.net/sfu
[Flightgear-devel] ATIScreenSizeHack() in main.cxx
Recently I noticed an alert on my console when starting up the git version
of FlightGear:
Enabling ATI viewport hack
This is odd because I have nvidia hardware. I tracked down that this
message was coming from main.cxx, specifically this chuck of code:
if (fgGetBool(/sim/ati-viewport-hack, true)) {
SG_LOG(SG_GENERAL, SG_ALERT, Enabling ATI viewport hack);
ATIScreenSizeHack();
}
This takes the value of /sim/ati-viewport-hack or true if the value is not
set at all (like on my nvidia based system.) Shouldn't this default to a
false value? I can change the default in git unless someone has a specific
reason why it should be the other way? Any objections to defaulting this
to 'false'? (I think this is James code from 'git blame')
Thanks,
Curt.
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[Flightgear-devel] turning off shaders in 2.10?
I'm trying to help a user get FlightGear 2.10 running (remotely via email which is always a challenge.) Is there an 'easy' way to disable all shaders in the windows launcher, or do we still need to manually set the property to do this? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Precog is a next-generation analytics platform capable of advanced analytics on semi-structured data. The platform includes APIs for building apps and a phenomenal toolset for data science. Developers can use our toolset for easy data analysis visualization. Get a free account! http://www2.precog.com/precogplatform/slashdotnewsletter___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.10.1
Hi James, This is great news if you are able to crank out full installers right from Jenkins. That will save me a bunch of downloading and hours of uploading for every new release candidate. Thanks, Curt. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:34 AM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: Hi, Continuing with the experimental creation of a bug fix release, Release-candidate builds for 2.10.1: http://flightgear.simpits.org:8080/job/Windows-release/ http://flightgear.simpits.org:8080/job/Linux-release/ http://flightgear.simpits.org:8080/job/Mac-release/ These are the first Windows releases produced automatically (Jenkins creates the installer) instead of via Curt, so please be on the look-out for anything I may have messed up / omitted. Based on very limited testing with my Windows VM everything seems sane and the apps run. The intention is that the quality of these builds is 'at least as good' as 2.10.0, so I would be happy for them to replace 2.10.0 on the web sites as soon as they pass a collective sanity check from people here. If you find new bugs, that's fine, but unless they are regressions since 2.10.0 (which is unlikely, hopefully) then they should not block releasing; they can be fixed in a (hypothetical!) 2.10.2 or wait until 2.12. In particular the Windows builds include the UTF-8 pathname fix which is significant for various people, I believe. Regards, James -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Minimize network downtime and maximize team effectiveness. Reduce network management and security costs.Learn how to hire the most talented Cisco Certified professionals. Visit the Employer Resources Portal http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/employer_resources/index.html___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.10.1
Hi James, sounds good, even if there are only a small number (1 or more) important fixes. Would it make sense to amend our release procedure (Torsten) :-) to include a subsection on sub-release procedures. Under the hood we probably repeat most of the full release procedure, but maybe we'd want to give a defined timeline for a dot release to collect the requested patches nominations, maybe (?) push out a release candidate (?), and then a final release. We should keep it as simple as possible -- too complicated and too much work and it won't happen, but some organization and coordination and procedure may not hurt, just so we are all on the same page. Thanks, Curt. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:31 AM, James Turner wrote: Hi, As previously suggested, I am going to attempt a 2.10.1 release, to see if this improves our perceived quality. There's some bug fixes I am already aware of, including a Windows path-handling one which is quite significant. I would appreciate nominations for other bug-fixes and low-risk tweaks, to be merged to the release branches, including fgdata. Ideally give me SHAs of commits on next, which I can safely cherry pick to the release branches - if commits need editing, a merge-request would be easier for me to process. Or you can merge yourself to the release branches, providing you exercise suitable diligence :) Regards, James -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compasses, magnetic variation, and stuff
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: Yes, it's very interesting. My chart for Ireland specifically warns about the large variation (+5W) which I'm sure catches people out. And that's before you have to add variation due to the airframe ! nitpicking which is call deviation /nitpicking ;-) which is call*ed* deviation. :-) :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_mar___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Adds on FlightGear.org
I realize this is not a satisfactory response for some people, but I have added downloadmanagerapp.com to the list of blocked sites. Thanks, Curt. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Anders Gidenstam anders-...@gidenstam.orgwrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Curt, are you there? Repeating the links in case you missed them: http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?13546-FlightGear-v2-10-Is-Released#comments http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?260718-FlightGear-2-10-is-now-available-!p=1747315#post1747315 When I look at our main page I see Google chooses to display a very big fat green download button for some crud software in the ad-slot that is slightly to the left but otherwise right in the middle of the page. And another one further down. It looks ugly and could confuse the unwary. If it is not possible to be more restrictive on what ads to show (and even if that can be done I'm sure the guys paying for these sort of ads would do their best to by-pass any such restriction) then IMO the ads should go. Maybe the text ads could stay but the big blobs - no, thank you. Is the hosting really that expensive that we can't raise enough donations to cover it? (I have to admit I have not donated to FG, though.) Cheers, Anders -- --- Anders Gidenstam WWW: http://gitorious.org/anders-hangar http://www.gidenstam.org/FlightGear/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Low visibility issues
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Chris Calef wrote: Say, while you all are on the subject of key bindings, could anyone tell me where these keymappings are defined in flightgear? My friend is having a severe (to him) issue with the program, in that he loves flying in the sim but is running I believe three monitors. He is able to get the view across all three of his monitors by setting a very wide field of view, but this involves clicking for a _very_ long time on the widen field of view key. You may also wish to visit this page on our wiki which talks about how to create a custom xml configuration file for multiple cameras on multiple displays: http://wiki.flightgear.org/Howto:Configure_camera_view_windows The system even allows you to define an independent camera for each display so you don't have to deal with increasing distortion at the fringes and can spread the view offset by a little extra to account for the margins on your monitor (so a straight line such as a runway edge flows straight into the next display without forming a stair step. You can search out README.multiscreen -- located in $(FGDATA)/Docs/README.multiscreen if you have FlightGear installed. There are a couple approaches that are supported, ranging from creating a 3 windows, one for each display to creating a single window that spans all the displays and defining separate camera parameters for each 1/3 of the window. If you spend a bit of time tweaking this, you can get way better results than simply stretching a window across three displays and. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] YouTube
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:13 PM, gabe van wrote: Dear Flightgear developers, I am starting a youtube channel and was hoping that you would kindly grant me permission to post videos of Flightgear on my channel. I don't discourage people from getting it, but encourage them to find opensource alternatives, such as Flightgear. Thank you for your help, and I hope you have a great day! Thanks for the great game, Hi Gabe, there are a quite a few people these days posting FlightGear videos on youtube, so I think you can just go ahead and start posting videos without needing to ask permission from us. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Low visibility issues
Hi Thorsten, Using z/Z to adjust visibility is something from the earliest days of the simulator project, before METAR weather, probably before clouds, and the sky dome. I don't personally mind if the z/Z key bindings go away. What I do care about though is that FlightGear continues to be useable as a flight training tool. An instructor working with a student may wish to set a specific visibility, specific cloud layers, specific winds, specific turbulence, all as part of a training scenario designed to instruct or challenge or catch a student off guard. We've always been able to set the individual weather parameters, either through the built in weather dialog box, or by setting raw property values. Setting raw property values allows nasal script control over the weather (as I'm sure you well know) :-) but it also allows external control of the weather, for instance by some external gui tool, or by some tool that wants to setup equivalent visual conditions across multiple FlightGear PC's running in sync. So whatever we do, we can't override the ability to get low level granular control of the weather parameters, and not just so that advanced weather can manipulate them exclusively, also so that external tools can manipulate them without advanced weather getting in the way or overriding the settings. BTW, your email name is configured as Renk Thorsten so if you do find yourself being called by your last name, it may be a simple misunderstanding deriving from that. My dad calls all his neighbors by their last name out of friendliness and respect, so it could also be that too. :-) Thanks, Curt. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Renk Thorsten wrote: You asked for ideas for a more descriptive text - I've gone one better and added descriptive texts to the gui. My design aim was to provide the average user with some indication of which option he should choose and in which circumstance. It's only a shallow redesign. It would be nice, I think, to allow max vis range to be as low as 10kms, and also if this could be driven by z/Z. However, these items are beyond the scope of what I set out to do. Thanks. I can do the first item easily (I do think 10 km max visibility are a bit on the low side, but it doesn't hurt anyone..). As for z/Z - can we reach a decision first what to do with this? James and Stuart seemed to be considering to drop this key binding, and I would actually prefer that as well. Is there a compelling reason to manage visibility by key? For me, this resembles more an arcade game strategy than a realistic simulation. (If we keep z/Z, it'd be nice if anyone can give me a pointer how to link it with the max. visibility or just do it, because I don't know how it's done...) * Thorsten -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website update request
Thanks, I wonder how I ever could have missed those ... ?!? ... but thanks for sniffing them out so we can get them fixed. Curt. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:48 PM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide wrote: Hi Curt, Again, thanks for updating the website. I found a few more broken links which seem to be happened by recent changes. 7. http://www.flightgear.org/download/main-program/ 7-3. FlightGear Manual links to http://www.flightgear.org/download/Docs/getstart/getstart.html Should be corrected to http://mapserver.flightgear.org/getstart/ 7-4. FTP mirrors links to http://www.flightgear.org/download/mirrors.html#ftp Should be corrected to http://www.flightgear.org/download/mirror/ Cheers, Toshi -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FreeBSD binary packages updated to version 2.10.0
Hi Keven, Thanks for the update. I'll tweak the flightgear page. Let me know if you can think of any other improvements to the FreeBSD section of the page. Thanks, Curt. On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Kevin Zheng kevinz5...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Just to let the website maintainers know, the FreeBSD Project has updated the FlightGear related ports to version 2.10.0. The Project has been really good with keeping up with upstream releases in the past, so I don't think it's important to mention the version number on the web page. Quick cosmetic issue: the FreeBSD Project updates the packages, and FreshPorts keeps track of them. Thanks, Kevin Zheng -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website update request
Hi Toshi, Thanks for your detailed look through the main flightgear web site pages. A second set of eyes definitely helps catch things I miss. I believe I've addressed as many of these that I can. I forwarded #2 over to Gijs since he built the new 'filterable' aircraft download page. For 7-1, that's a good question. Does FlightGear officially support Windows 8? Fred? James? I have Win 7 XP here and honestly I've never seen Windows 8 running in real life myself yet so I have no idea how FlightGear does. I assume, yes it works just fine, but I don't think I've heard anyone report either way? Thanks, Curt. On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:19 AM, YOSHIMATSU Toshihide qzt04...@nifty.ne.jp wrote: Hi Curt, Thanks for updating the website. I checked some pages more precisely for Japanese translation, and found many other *minor* issues. When you have a time, please check below. 1. http://www.flightgear.org/ Under the Find us on Facebook window, unintentional character string of [gpluspb id=111978238381658236898 size=badge] is displayed. 2. http://www.flightgear.org/download/aircraft-2-10-filterable/ W3C link checker says: Lines: 62, 209 http://www.flightgear.org/download/aircraft-2-10-filterable/ajax-loader.gif Status: 404 Not Found , whose lines are: 62 link rel=image_src href=ajax-loader.gif / 209 div id=loadingbr/Aircraft are being loaded#8230; img src=ajax-loader.gif style=box-shadow: none;//div 3. http://www.flightgear.org/about/features/ 3-1. JSBSim links to http://www.jsbsim.org/ which jumps to http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/ So, http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/ would be a better link for now. 3-2. LaRCsim links to http://techreports.larc.nasa.gov/ltrs/PDF/NASA-95-tm110164.pdf which has been disappeared. I guess this link should be deleted. 3-3. Multiple Displays section only shows its section name, and doesn't include any contents. 4. http://www.flightgear.org/download/ In Download Older Versions of FlightGear section, Mac OS version would be better to write something like: - v2.8 and later for Mac OS X: [Mirror1] [Mirror2] [Mirror3] - v2.6 and before for Mac OS: http://macflightgear.sf.net 5. http://www.flightgear.org/download/scenery/ Via BitTorrent links to http://terasaur.org/item/show/flightgear-v2-8-0/6584 Correct link would be http://terasaur.org/item/show/flightgear-v2-10/6663 6. http://www.flightgear.org/download/mirror/ Some mirrors seem to be a little bit old. 6-1. http://flight.webersiedlung.at/ may need to be deleted from the list. 6-2. http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/packages/flightgear/ may need to be added to the list. 7. http://www.flightgear.org/download/main-program/ 7-1. Does FlightGear supports Windows 8? If so, a section of Windows (XP, Vista, 7) would be better to write as Windows (XP, Vista, 7, 8). 7-2. In The Attic section, many broken links are found: [Mirror1] [Mirror2] [Mirror3] for Fedora. http://pardus.org.tr/eng/index.html http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/pardus-2007/flightgear-0.9.10-3-4.pisi http://paketler.pardus.org.tr/pardus-2007/flightgear-data-base-0.9.10-2-2.pisi http://www.mechanics.citg.tudelft.nl/~everdij/nekoware/current/neko_flightgear-0.9.9.tardist Cheers, Toshi -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu
Hi Saikrishna, Is there a top level link I can point people to from the main flightgear download page? I'm not personally familiar with launchpad or the 'ppa' acronym. I'd love to keep the entry on the flightgear page as concise as possible. Is there a particular distribution this applies to? Thanks, Curt. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I just wanted to let everyone know here that I created a PPA for FlightGear on Launchpad and have compiled and uploaded FlightGear 2.10.0 for Oneiric and above. Unfortunately, the fgfs-base isn't available at the moment, so users will have to download that separately. The link to the PPA itself is https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgearhttps://launchpad.net/%7Esaiarcot895/+archive/flightgear. Users can follow the following steps to use the PPA and flightgear: 1. Add ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear to their list of sources, either using Software Sources or sudo add-apt-repository ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear. 2. Do an update using apt-get update. 3. Either use Synaptic to install FlightGear or do sudo apt-get install flightgear. Both will automatically install SimGear as well. I've installed the version I uploaded and things seem to be running well. I have encountered two problems so far. One is that I don't see any AI aircraft, but I'm not sure if that's just me or if it's a bug. Another is that some patches of terrain are dark, but as I get closer, they turn light and can be seen again. I'm on an Intel GPU, so I'm not sure if it's because of that. Anyways, I've uploaded some screenshots from 2.10.0 herehttps://picasaweb.google.com/103387392510447269112/FlightGear2100?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCKXaocKSqp2G_wEfeat=directlink(the black plane is, I'm assuming, a GPU bug since 2.8.0). -- Saikrishna Arcot -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear 2.10.0 release on Ubuntu
Ok, thanks, I will add the link on the main download page and please feel free to review it and send me any needed corrections or improvements. Thanks, Curt. On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot...@gmail.comwrote: You can use https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear. There's a section on the page for users to easily add the PPA (basically the location of the packages) to their system. This applies to Ubuntu Oneiric (11.10), Ubuntu Precise (12.04), Ubuntu Quantal (12.10), and Ubuntu Raring (13.04) (this is a development version, so there may be few, if anyone, on this). If there are people who are on an earlier version of Ubuntu, then I can easily add a package for that version. Saikrishna Arcot On Tue 19 Feb 2013 03:28:52 PM CST, Curtis Olson wrote: Hi Saikrishna, Is there a top level link I can point people to from the main flightgear download page? I'm not personally familiar with launchpad or the 'ppa' acronym. I'd love to keep the entry on the flightgear page as concise as possible. Is there a particular distribution this applies to? Thanks, Curt. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Saikrishna Arcot saiarcot...@gmail.com mailto:saiarcot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to let everyone know here that I created a PPA for FlightGear on Launchpad and have compiled and uploaded FlightGear 2.10.0 for Oneiric and above. Unfortunately, the fgfs-base isn't available at the moment, so users will have to download that separately. The link to the PPA itself is https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear https://launchpad.net/%7Esaiarcot895/+archive/flightgear. Users can follow the following steps to use the PPA and flightgear: 1. Add ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear to their list of sources, either using Software Sources or sudo add-apt-repository ppa:saiarcot895/flightgear. 2. Do an update using apt-get update. 3. Either use Synaptic to install FlightGear or do sudo apt-get install flightgear. Both will automatically install SimGear as well. I've installed the version I uploaded and things seem to be running well. I have encountered two problems so far. One is that I don't see any AI aircraft, but I'm not sure if that's just me or if it's a bug. Another is that some patches of terrain are dark, but as I get closer, they turn light and can be seen again. I'm on an Intel GPU, so I'm not sure if it's because of that. Anyways, I've uploaded some screenshots from 2.10.0 here https://picasaweb.google.com/103387392510447269112/FlightGear2100?authuser=0authkey=Gv1sRgCKXaocKSqp2G_wEfeat=directlink (the black plane is, I'm assuming, a GPU bug since 2.8.0). -- Saikrishna Arcot -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com http://www.atiak.com/ - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org/ - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org http://gallinazo.flightgear.org/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.10.0: Decision Altitude
Hi Christian, I completely blew away my build_flightgear and build_simgear directories so they should be totally clean for the latest version of the source code. Are our cmake rules doing something they shouldn't and writing files in the original source tree when you do out of source builds? I thought (I was 100% sure until now that you say there was a problem) that I looked at version.h in my build_simgear directory and it said 2.10.0 I really want to get this fixed as quickly as possible, but I'm confused as to where things could be going wrong or how to fix it. Back in the day I had the automake tools really figured out for myself at a deep level, but I unfortunately don't have that same level of groking for the cmake tools. Curt. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Christian Schmitt ch...@ilovelinux.dewrote: Curt, I noticed the SG/FG packages got updated on the mirrors. So I checked them out again: still the same issue. How did you create the source tarballs? Having the version number 2.8 in it looks like they were created from an older, used git clone and not a fresh or cleaned up one. The tarballs should only contain files that are in git, nothing that gets created during configure/compile time. Chris Curtis Olson wrote: Certainly this is my fault, however, I must misunderstand something about cmake for this to happen. Can someone enlighten me and tell me what I need to do to fix this? Maybe there is something we can tweak in the future if the default behavior requires manual intervention to achieve the correct outcome? Thanks for checking this out Chris. Curt. -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.10.0: Decision Altitude
Ok, I see now that in simgear-2.10.tar.bz2 the top level file version does report 2.10.0 but the simgear/version.h file is saying 2.8.0 So my question are: 1. for an out-of-source build, why is the build system writing files in the source tree? Can we fix that? 2. what is the proper cmake fix here so it doesn't happen in the future? Thanks, Curt. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@flightgear.orgwrote: Hi Christian, I completely blew away my build_flightgear and build_simgear directories so they should be totally clean for the latest version of the source code. Are our cmake rules doing something they shouldn't and writing files in the original source tree when you do out of source builds? I thought (I was 100% sure until now that you say there was a problem) that I looked at version.h in my build_simgear directory and it said 2.10.0 I really want to get this fixed as quickly as possible, but I'm confused as to where things could be going wrong or how to fix it. Back in the day I had the automake tools really figured out for myself at a deep level, but I unfortunately don't have that same level of groking for the cmake tools. Curt. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Christian Schmitt ch...@ilovelinux.dewrote: Curt, I noticed the SG/FG packages got updated on the mirrors. So I checked them out again: still the same issue. How did you create the source tarballs? Having the version number 2.8 in it looks like they were created from an older, used git clone and not a fresh or cleaned up one. The tarballs should only contain files that are in git, nothing that gets created during configure/compile time. Chris Curtis Olson wrote: Certainly this is my fault, however, I must misunderstand something about cmake for this to happen. Can someone enlighten me and tell me what I need to do to fix this? Maybe there is something we can tweak in the future if the default behavior requires manual intervention to achieve the correct outcome? Thanks for checking this out Chris. Curt. -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.10 tarball problem
We are currently looking into this, sorry for the glitch. It sounds like you have a simple work around for now and we'll be trying to update the official tar balls as soon as we can iron our out this problem on our end. Thanks, Curt. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 4:57 AM, zezinho lists.jjo...@free.fr wrote: hi, I am the package maintainer of flightgear for Mageia distribution. In IRC, the hint was told me about version.h removal to use 2.10 data... maybe this info should go to download page, or tarballs be redone? thanks -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.10.0: Decision Altitude
Maybe something has already been tweaked between v2.8 and v2.10. After I
manually removed the simgear/version.h file it did not come back again --
so maybe we will be in good shape for future releases.
I noticed that simgear/version.h (along with all the other build time
files) are explicitely listed in the .gitignore files throughout simgear.
Here is me wondering out loud: If we *strongly* recommend out of source
builds, maybe it would make sense to *not* list build files in the
.gitignore so they clearly show up as an anomoly. Previously when I did a
git status, it showed a pristine git tree on the 2.10 branch with no
changes or differences -- but the problem was hidden because of the
.gitignore file.
I found the git status --ignored command which shows ignored files, but
this is a lot of manual messing around to have to remember every 6 months
-- especially when 6 months is about the shelf life of remember specific
details on how or what I've done in the past if haven't repeated it since.
:-)
Anway, I have updated the source files on the ftp server and hopefully we
are ok for this release now.
Curt.
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote:
On 02/18/2013 04:08 PM, Erik Hofman wrote:
On 02/18/2013 04:04 PM, James Turner wrote:
Hmm, I don't think it matter *how* you write the file:
PROJECT_BINARY_DIR seems like the correct place based on my understand of
cmake. I could be wrong of course, but it makes more sense to me than
CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR.
You seem to be correct, when doing a make package_source I see
simgear-2.11.0/build/simgear/version.h
More investigation to do
I suspect:
set(HEADERS compiler.h constants.h sg_inlines.h
${PROJECT_BINARY_DIR}/simgear/version.h)
is the culprit.
Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] OSX 10.5 compilation
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:00 AM, ys wrote: O, happy now. Finally it is working. And 2.10 is really a hit, compiled against sdk 10.5. One can still use an older macbook for simple multi-machine fun, with an old osx with bad bad graphics (old ATI, almost no vram). Now turning on 3d clouds, water, crop and transistion shader ... everything looks fine with a reasonable framerate (around 20fps). Only atmospheric lights, urban shader, random buildings/vegetation and some AI traffic reduces framerate to a no go. But really, well done, thanks guys. And special thanks to James and others nuking alut and making building sg/fg on a mac easier and easier (beside of my sound and boost troubles the last days, but that's just a private 2.10/osx learning curve here, I see). I am happy for the rest of the week (and shut up) because I got 2.10 working now from OSX 10.5 to 8, with simply downgrading boost and nuking macports. I will publish a version with FGx asap. Now I see that the small cocoa change for flightgear making compiling possible for 10.5 has already been merged by James, thanks, the patch for the simgear sdk 10.5 svn problem will follow asap. I haven't been following this thread too closely, but is it possible to get 10.5 support back into the official build on Jenkins or does it require a separate build/installer for 10.5 support? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Website update request
Hi Toshi, Thanks for catching the broken link. It should now be fixed. There's always a zillion things to update with each new release and once in a while something falls through the cracks. Gijs, I triaged the comments about 2.8.0 release candidates. Curt. On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com wrote: Today, I found one link error. * http://www.flightgear.org/download/ And on that same page, 2.8.0 release candidates can probably go ;-) Cheers, Gijs -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.10.0: Decision Altitude
Certainly this is my fault, however, I must misunderstand something about cmake for this to happen. Can someone enlighten me and tell me what I need to do to fix this? Maybe there is something we can tweak in the future if the default behavior requires manual intervention to achieve the correct outcome? Thanks for checking this out Chris. Curt. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Christian Schmitt ch...@ilovelinux.dewrote: Hi, upon further inspection the problem appears to be more serious: It occurs if SG/FG are built in a separate build dir, as recommended by the cmake process. We then have version 2.8 in the original sources and 2.10 in the build dir. Why 2.8 gets picked up is beyond my knowledge but I would consider this to be a serious issue and we should fix it before getting flamed post-release. Chris Christian Schmitt wrote: Hi, while this might be a minor issue, I still want to bring it up here: The SG and FG 2.10.0 release tarballs from the ibiblio mirror contain version.h files with version number 2.8.0. While this should be overwritten by cmake on configure time I just experienced a case where it wasn't with the result that fgfs didn't run because of fgdata/program mismatch. The version.h files should not be in the distributed tarball as they are runtime generated files. Just FYI Chris -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.10.0: Decision Altitude
Hi Everyone, I just wanted to send a quick update on the release process. Feb 17 arrives at different times at different places and it is still Feb 16 here for another hour. I have uploaded the source and the mac version of the release to ibiblio.org and the final windows version is being uploaded right now with about 2hr 45min left to go. So it will not finish before I head off to bed. When I get up I will hopefully find that everything transferred correctly. I'll update the kingmont mirror and hopefully the other mirrors will be getting in sync soon too. At that point I'll update the download links on the web site, try to find Stuart's release announcement in my email archives, etc. etc. I have a couple commitments tomorrow so I hope to have most of the release things taken care of by mid-afternoon (MN time) but we'll see. Please be patient if not everything is quite in place by Feb 17 00:00 UTC, we are getting better, but we aren't quite that good yet. :-) I appreciate all the hard work that so many people have put in on so many fronts to make this release happen smoothly! Thanks! Curt. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Hi all, at one point during every ILS approach you reach the decision altitude with two options: continue approach or go around. Being the copilot on our approach into the 2.10 release, I'd call out minimum, approach lights in sight, continue! If no one shouts out loudly _NOW_, I'm going to tag the release branches tomorrow (Saturday) morning (Central European Time) and give the package managers the GO to build and distribute the bundles. That should give us a ready-to-download release just in time on Sunday the 17th. Greetings, Torsten -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel - in partnership with Geeknet, is your hub for all things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to news, videos, case studies, tutorials, tech docs, whitepapers, evaluation guides, and opinion stories. Check out the most recent posts - join the conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.10.0: Decision Altitude
I would just add a quick last minute request to the developers (or anyone else). We haven't organized an effort to collect screen shots for the v2.10 release yet and I'd like to do that now. If anyone is interested/willing to submit v2.10 screen shots (based on the release candidates or other pre-release builds) I would be happy to take them. You can send them directly to me and I will assemble a screen shot page on the web site. It would be wonderful to have a dozen or two high quality images in time for the release, but we can always add more images to the page later. +1 to shots that highlight something new or interesting in FlightGear and +1 to any shot that is just a nice, well composed FlightGear scene. And as usual, I'd like to steer clear of images that show private unreleased work, or content that would be difficult for an average user to chase down and see themselves. I think most people are visual and if we don't change up any imagery on the web site (some of the images are from the 2.6 release or maybe earlier) there could be a perception that not much has gone on in the last 6 months. Thanks! Curt. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: Hi all, at one point during every ILS approach you reach the decision altitude with two options: continue approach or go around. Being the copilot on our approach into the 2.10 release, I'd call out minimum, approach lights in sight, continue! If no one shouts out loudly _NOW_, I'm going to tag the release branches tomorrow (Saturday) morning (Central European Time) and give the package managers the GO to build and distribute the bundles. That should give us a ready-to-download release just in time on Sunday the 17th. Greetings, Torsten -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM, Geoff McLane ubu...@geoffair.info wrote: Hi Curt, Downloaded 2.10 RC1 - Wow over a 20 minutes even at about 550 MB/s, but I guess all good things come with a little pain ;=)) But noted you 'forgot' to adjust the default install folder - it still reads C:\PF\FlightGear-2.8.0.4 as the default install folder. And likewise the name for the default desktop icon. I believe Fred intentionally chose to use the same registry key from one version to the next. Thus if you install a new version over the top of an existing version it will end up in the same path under C:\PF If you uninstall the old version first (maybe?) or are installing from scratch on a new system, it should pick the expected install directory. Since I am also interested in producing a RC from my own build curious how you 'separate' the RC data from the git master fgdata. There is a make target in the flightgear top level make that cherry picks all the pieces we want to go into the distributed 'data' package. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Geoff McLane ubu...@geoffair.info wrote: There is a make target in the flightgear top level ... And assume the 'make' target is $ make package, or $ make package_source which seem to be the only possible targets shown for $ make help But running the first with -n seemed only to do the binaries, no data, and the second seemed to only be regarding fg source, again not fgdata... So maybe I do not quite understand ;=( My bad, I checked out the wrong revision of that memory from my brain's repository. More recently there is a script in $(FGSRC)/package/ called make-base-package.no-arch.sh Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
FYI, the first windows 2.10 release candidate has been posted. It hits the ibiblio.org and kingmont.com mirrors first and then propagates as the other mirrors run their scheduled syncs. http://www.flightgear.org/news/flightgear-v2-10-release-candidates/ James, let me know when there's something ready to go on the MacOS side and I'll update the 2.10 RC info page. Thanks! Curt. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: On 01/30/2013 08:10 AM, Renk Thorsten wrote: It does run on my Win 7 laptop with nvidia graphics hardware (and nvidia graphics drivers installed.) I will get it uploading ... 740Mb! So much for the CD distribution. :-) Didn't Bill Gates famously say 640Mb should be enough for anyone? Um... which reminds me - I had on my old computer a bunch of obsolete cloud models and textures flagged and done long-term testing that they really aren't used - that's probably 20-30 MB worth of files that can go. In all the confusion migrating to a new machine I forgot about that - do you want me to look for that list? Doesn't really get us to CD size, but still... Are the Winter textures still needed? Erik -- http://www.adalin.com - Hardware accelerated AeonWave and OpenAL for Windows and Linux -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:43 AM, James Turner wrote: James, let me know when there's something ready to go on the MacOS side and I'll update the 2.10 RC info page. It's ready to go as an RC1. I have further tweaks to make tonight, adding Stuart's PDF and back-porting the atmospheric fix for random buildings, but those are fairly minor and getting more test coverage would be good. Should I be looking at the Mac-release target? (or FlightGear-mac?) Gijs: I've added the forum/bug-tracker links, thanks for pointing out the proper ones. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft download page for 2.10.0
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Stuart, I planned to have another look next week, when I have a short holiday. I still have the files and IIRC the only real problem shouldn't be too hard to fix. Hi Gijs, let me know and we can try to get this setup for this time around. For the 2.8 release I didn't start making aircraft download packages (or uploading them to the ftp servers) until after the official release date which was a mistake (are you taking notes Torsten?) :-) So hopefully in the next week or so I'll begin the process of making all the 2.10 aircraft packages and uploading them, and then I can update them as last minute changes are made to the release branch. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
I've been working on the first windows release candidate this week. It's been going fairly well, but there are the usual packaging things to work through (and/or remember.) Curt. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Hi all, with just two more weeks to go till the release, we'd better get our release candidates published. Mac is available on Jenkins, but I couldn't find anything for Windows or other OS yet... I've opened the usual subforum on the forum today, so we can collect all reports in a single place. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=68 Cheers, Gijs -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnnow-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
... and it looks like the windows version crashes immediately when it tries to bring up the splash screen (based on --log-level=debug). This is on my windows XP test machine that ran v2.8 ok. Hmmm... fgfs.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close, we are sorry for the inconvenience. Console log (at debug log level) says... Initializing splash screen found path: blah blah splash.png Splash screen progress init Microsoft Corporation GDI Generic 1.1.0 A window is opened, but it's just the outline, nothing is drawn in it before the error/crash happens. Any ideas? Curt. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@flightgear.orgwrote: I've been working on the first windows release candidate this week. It's been going fairly well, but there are the usual packaging things to work through (and/or remember.) Curt. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Hi all, with just two more weeks to go till the release, we'd better get our release candidates published. Mac is available on Jenkins, but I couldn't find anything for Windows or other OS yet... I've opened the usual subforum on the forum today, so we can collect all reports in a single place. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=68 Cheers, Gijs -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnnow-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
It does run on my Win 7 laptop with nvidia graphics hardware (and nvidia graphics drivers installed.) I will get it uploading ... 740Mb! So much for the CD distribution. :-) Didn't Bill Gates famously say 640Mb should be enough for anyone? Curt. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@flightgear.orgwrote: ... and it looks like the windows version crashes immediately when it tries to bring up the splash screen (based on --log-level=debug). This is on my windows XP test machine that ran v2.8 ok. Hmmm... fgfs.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close, we are sorry for the inconvenience. Console log (at debug log level) says... Initializing splash screen found path: blah blah splash.png Splash screen progress init Microsoft Corporation GDI Generic 1.1.0 A window is opened, but it's just the outline, nothing is drawn in it before the error/crash happens. Any ideas? Curt. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@flightgear.orgwrote: I've been working on the first windows release candidate this week. It's been going fairly well, but there are the usual packaging things to work through (and/or remember.) Curt. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Hi all, with just two more weeks to go till the release, we'd better get our release candidates published. Mac is available on Jenkins, but I couldn't find anything for Windows or other OS yet... I've opened the usual subforum on the forum today, so we can collect all reports in a single place. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=68 Cheers, Gijs -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnnow-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release candidates
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: Didn't he say GiB? And CDs are an ancient technology... Thanks for building the RC. We need to get this automated some day. Or at least documented... (another one from famous last words: if you have to do it more than once, automate it. If you can't automate it, document it.) It's mostly scripted, but it's windows, so it involves a couple scripts, a couple windows programs, and a bunch of extra hoopla. There's one script to pull pieces from git and from the jenkins build server and assemble a tree of how all the files will be organized when they are installed. Then there is another script that builds the setup.exe (and that needs to run on windows, so I run it in XP inside a virtual machine on my linux desktop box.) Then another script that mirrors the ftp tree to the ftp source servers. Typical house of cards stuff. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnnow-d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Ati viewport bug
On 28 Jan 2013, at 19:09, Torsten Dreyer wrote:
Any chance to wrap this into something like
if( true == getprop(/sim/use-ati-hack) ) {
addTheEmptyPrerenderCamera();
} else {
doNothing();
}
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:42 PM, James Turner wrote:
Yes of course, that's probably wise.
This does mean that the default behavior is still broke for the people we
are trying to help with this, but it at least offers a fix for anyone who's
willing to ask (or hunt through the email archives.)
Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Heads up: release branches are ready,
Hi Torsten, Thanks for making this happen in a timely manner. I have starred your message so it floats at the top of my email inbox and will start looking at packaging a release candidate in the next couple days I hope. Hopefully Jenkins hasn't been completely rearranged again, but if it has we'll chase down the changes and update my packaging scripts. Curt. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: Am 17.01.2013 19:03, schrieb Torsten Dreyer: I'll post a message when I'm done. Done. Version 2.10.0 now lives on the release/2.10.0 branches on SimGear, FlightGear and FGDATA to be released around the 17th of February. SimGear and FlightGear next branches as well as FGDATA master branch are now on version 2.11.0. These branches are again open for regular development. Thank you all for adhering to our feature freeze policy. Curt, James, ThorstenB and Tat: Please create our first release candidate as soon as possible to give many users without source code compile expertise the chance to test our new version. Greetings, Torsten -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow - 3,200 step-by-step video tutorials by Microsoft MVPs and experts. ON SALE this month only -- learn more at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/learnmore_122712___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (JSBsim) body accelerations
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:48 AM, James Turner wrote:
Hi,
Once 2.10 has branched (i.e, in a month!) I'm going to make a consistency
change to a simulation variable: namely to change the body (UVW)
accelerations JSBsim exposes to FlightGear, to come from a slightly
different source (FGAccelerations::GetUVWdot instead of
FGAccelerations::GetBodyAccelerations).
This is because the later includes gravity and some other terms
(centripetal acceleration, I'm guessing, but I'm not an expert) which the
YASim equivalents do not. I'm also going to expose the values via new
properties under /accelerations/body/foo-accel-fps_sec, for both JSBSim and
YASim.
Hi James,
I believe JSBSim does include gravity and centripetal accelerations. I
believe YASim also includes gravity, but centripetal accelerations are
beyond the scope of the YAsim physics engine. This is a tiny difference
that wouldn't show up in most situations, unless you are dealing with
extremely expensive inertial sensors such that might go in a 737 or a space
shuttle.
This will enable standard simulation of inertial acceleration based
instruments, which I want to play around with.
This should already work for both JSBSim and YASim -- I believe the
following properties work well for both JSBSim and YASim aircraft. (the
only main difference being that JSBSim includes centripetal accelerations
which doesn't matter if you are playing with code that will eventually be
driven by consumer level mems sensors.)
Gyros: /orientation/{p,q,r}-body
Accelerometers: /accelerations/pilot/{x,y,z}-accel-fps_sec
Both of these are expressed in the pilot/body frame of reference. The
accelerometer values include gravity. I've used these to drive a 15 state
kalman filter and observe good attitude estimate convergence for both yasim
and jsbsim aircraft.
Because of the current discrepancy between JSBSim and YASim, the body
accelerations are currently *not* exposed in any standard location (JSBSim
exposes them in its private property tree), and code is avoiding using
them: for example: (from the multiplayer code!)
// accels, set that to zero for now.
// Angular accelerations are missing from the interface anyway,
// linear accelerations are screwed up at least for JSBSim.
// motionInfo.linearAccel =
SG_FEET_TO_METER*SGVec3f(ifce.get_U_dot_body(), ifce.get_V_dot_body(),
ifce.get_W_dot_body());
The JSBSim values aren't screwed up, I think, just including other
non-inertial terms which YASim does not. Since it's the inertial
accelerations I want to sense in the instruments, that's why I will tweak
the JSBSim-FGFS interface and not YASim.
Any comments or observations on this, please let me know. As I said it's
all only relevant for 2.12 - I won't make any changes until after we branch
for 2.10
See above, I do believe they values of interest are exposed in the
flightgear tree with identical property names and identical units. It's
always possible I'm mistaken, but my kalman filter seems happy enough which
isn't direct forward proof, but says something I think?
Thanks,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] (JSBsim) body accelerations
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:54 AM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: Right - but I think exposing the values without gravity added in is useful, and the for the internal (C++) value, the Yasim one doesn't include gravity, so neither should then JSBsim value (both FDMs compute both variants already!). Then we could start exposing linear accelerations over MP (or a future MP system) and make the prediction better. (And obviously that prediction won't want to include gravitational terms) I won't complain if you wish to publish a new set of values (that don't include gravity) under a new set of property names. I assume it would make the most sense to use the NED coordinate frame (not the body frame) for gravity-less acceleration values. BTW, is your Kalman filtering code available anywhere? It might be of interest :) It's from a university project and I've never gotten the green light to make the source available -- although I've asked a few times. Overall, it is an interesting math problem. Given gps (geodetic position and velocity in the NED coordinate frame) along with inertial sensor data in the body coordinate frame (gyro, and accelerometers which does include gravity), can you then compute the actual orientation of your vehicle (roll, pitch, yaw.) It turns out you can solve for a correction transform (a rotation) that makes your gps agree with your inertials, but there are infinite solutions (it's an under-constrained problem). But if you take the data across multiple time steps, you can apply some least squares techniques to come up with a best fit solution. The kalman filter can take that a step further and estimate your sensor biases so you can do better project-ahead between gps readings, and well it's a kalman filter which is sort of obscure magic. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next FlightGear release (Feb. 17 2013): Version 2.10
Thanks! On Dec 18, 2012 4:32 PM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: There is probably a version number in getstart that has to be adjusted (Stuart?) Done, and pushed to data/Docs/getstart.pdf and data/Docs/getstart-fr.pdf -Stuart -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Scenery manager
There are many issues and tradeoffs with mesh simplification. There are many algorithms and approaches, each with their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Challenges include finding a strategy to hide the cracks between adjacent tiles draw with different levels of details (and possibly more or less details on the edges.) You also have issues of objects floating or being partially (completely) burried if the underlying terrain becomes coarser or more detailed (or you have to move the objects up or down which can also be odd looking.) Of course there is the whole issue of processing/managing the GIS data, and generating the tiles to support whatever LOD scheme is chosen. When the FlightGear scheme was originally devised, there was a leaning in the flight sim world away from LOD schemes and back towards just drawing all the tiles in full detail -- again, this is just another strategy on the continuum of available options with it's own strengths and weaknesses. Keep in mind that some of the popular strategies of the day are popular because they are developed in response to the typical capabilities of current gamer hardware. After we committed to our strategy, continuous level of details algorithms began to really catch steam and become popular -- thinks like ROAM. These algorithms were designed to minimize how many vertices were sent to the graphics hardware every frame. But again, they have their strengths and weakness -- nothing that can't be solved or worked around, but only through a large amount of effort to do what we need for a generic flight simulator trying to model the entire world. But then (maybe a bit like clothing styles), the capabilities of consumer 3d hardware improved and began to be able to store the actual geometry right on the card. Shader language effects became popular, and there was less need to send the geometry to the video card every frame. More and more of the rendering was right on the card. That led to less popularity with ROAM type algorithms because they are always sending the new geometry over to the card each frame and you end up not utilizing the full capability of the graphics hardware. So there is always the universal principle that it's faster to do less work. But styles and algorithm popularity is a moving target as hardware is a moving target. If we were building a game that would go to market in the next 6 months and be removed from the shelves a few months later, we would probably use a different strategy compared to our development process which started in 1996 and does follow the trends to some degree, but a little less aggressively and a little more skeptically because we would like to run on hardware from a few years ago, on hardware 6 months from now, and on hardware 5-10 years from now. Curt. On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Mathias Fröhlich wrote: Hi Adrian, The same idea is behind the osg lod based whole world model. Where do you store the elevation data? Greetings Mathias -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows
The FS Weekend event has been the closest thing to a developer conference that we've had over the past few years.Our developers are dispersed across the world so any event would involve significant travel for most people. For people with day jobs, young families, or tight budgets, international travel can be a significant challenge. Everyone is in a slightly different situation though, so attending an event might be doable for enough people to make it worth while? With our size, it probably makes sense to continue to piggy back on other larger events. Another thing that might be fun to try is a group skype call or google hangout. I think you have to pay money for the high end version of skype to organize a group skype call, but google hangouts are free. If there's any interest in something like this it would be fun to try it out. I could imagine a weekly hangout to discuss issues of the week, future developments, etc. When FlightGear was first launched in the late 90's, group email was the way these things were done, but now we have more options. For a google hangout we have to deal with timezones around the world, and we'll never have a perfectly convenient time for everyone. If you've never used google hangouts before, you have to download a plugin for your browser (which is available for windows, mac, linux) and then you need a google+ account. I propose google hangouts because it's free to the end user (even though not open-source), supports all the major platforms out there (and can even run on smartphones or tablets), and as far as I know, there isn't an upper limit to the number of participants in a hangout. But if anyone is interested in something like this, let's propose a time to do a test. I think for many people they'll need to spend some time messing around getting the plugin installed, getting their mike and video to work (if they wish to show their face) :-) I got it running pretty quickly on linux, but the true test was that I got it running on a mac and a windows box (which means it can't be all that hard to get running there if I could do it.) :-) Curt. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Olivier acom...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Yves, all, -- *De :* HB-GRAL flightg...@sablonier.ch *Envoyé le :* Dimanche 2 décembre 2012 12h12 ** My dream: FlightGear should held a developer meeting once next year. This would be my all time favourite. Have there been such meetings once? At least there were thoughts about doing a FG Eurodev conference ( http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18t=8337 ) after the FSWeekend. FG is a very exciting project, where everyone can find a place where he can contribute depending on his skills, interests, ... Maybe something we are lacking is a kind of roadmap, so we can have a clearer view on the future. Olivier (silent, but working!) -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: DESIGN Expert tips on starting your parallel project right. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: DESIGN Expert tips on starting your parallel project right. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Musings on FG on Linux/Windows
On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Pat pat.callah...@gmail.com wrote: My thanks to everybody who's ever comitted anything without getting paid money for it. Thank you. For responding to my posts on the mailing lists. And for talking with me on irc. Thanks for Flightgear. It's a great hobby. I appreciate it and all of you. Responding to earlier comments: There are most definitely leaders in any open source project -- they are those that bust their tails to do all the hard work. It is therefore not an exclusive club. But it is a club you need to earn your way into. It is not a club of ideas (although ideas are certainly valuable.) It's not a club of suggestions or wishes. Leadership in an opensource project is a club of action and doing. It is not the same sort of top down leadership you would find in business or politics. Volunteers do not respond well to being told what do to and having deadlines imposed on them. Open Source leadership is the sort of leadership that you might find in a group of climbers trying to scale a high peak. Words often do not need to be spoken. The leaders are the ones who step forward and do the hard work and make the way easier for everyone following. Open-source is also not a perfect world -- as soon as humans get involved in just about any endeavor we have communication challenges, differences of opinions, misunderstandings, and all that rolled on top of our own personal shortcomings (and we all have a few.) So it's important to remember that we are all volunteers doing this for the fun of it, for the challenge of it, for the experience. We are a group, we all have different skills and bring a different perspective, and contribute in different ways. Roles can evolve over time as the project evolves, as people's life situations evolve. Centralizing versus decentralizing an organization's structures is a debate that goes on in every organization -- there is a dilbert cartoon about that. In an imperfect world we are always seeking to improve the situation, but every change brings pluses and minus so what sounds good might not always be as big of a win once you play out all the consequences and side effects and bring equilibrium back to the system. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: INSIGHTS What's next for parallel hardware, programming and related areas? Interviews and blogs by thought leaders keep you ahead of the curve. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Moonlight reloaded
Hi Thorsten, One more tidbit of info on phase of the moon. The phase of the moon is proportional to the relative location of the sun and the moon in the sky; more specifically the angle between them. For example, a full moon will be rising precisely when the sun is setting -- in this case they are nearly 180 degrees opposite in the sky and you see the entire reflection of the sun light off the moon. When the moon is straight up in the sky at the same time the sun is setting, it will be a 1/2 moon. When the moon is almost in the same place in the sky as the sun (near zero degrees) then you either don't see the moon, or you may see an extremely thin sliver. You may recall seeing a very thin sliver of moon just above the horizon right after sunset -- the sun and moon are very close together in the sky and it's really hard to see the moon until the sun drops below the horizon. FlightGear positions the sun and moon in their correct 'relative' positions in the sky, and then we illuminate the moon sphere from the sun, and that automatically gives us the correct phase/orientation of the moon in the sky visually. So that's a pretty cool way to get the correct moon in the sky (I think), we don't do anything fancy, just copy nature's design. :-) I don't know off hand if the direction (vectors) of sun moon illumination are available in the property tree. But if they were or could be made available, then your task is simply to compute the angle between these two vectors. That angle is proportional to the amount of the moon that is visibly illuminated to us. 180 degrees = full moon, 90 degrees = 1/2 moon, 0 degrees = no moon. Of course these values are rarely 180 or 0 degrees exactly -- that would correspond to an eclipse which so far has been beyond the scope of our rendering methods to properly display. But now with Rembrandt maybe we can begin to cast the earth's shadow onto the moon? What do you think Fred? :-) Curt. On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Durk Talsma wrote: Just a quick note for now, because I've got a lecture coming up in about 30 minutes... If you need any information about the moon's position and/or phase, just let me know. It should be trivial to extract these values from the ephemeris code. Cheers, Durk On 09 Nov 2012, at 13:25, Renk Thorsten wrote: Interesting, looks good. So effectively it glows... Not really - unlike glowing stuff, it is actually obscured by cloud cover for instance. * Thorsten -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_nov___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FSWeekend 2012...
Those rumors would definitely be interesting! On Nov 4, 2012 3:28 PM, ThorstenB bre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 04.11.2012 20:39, schrieb Jon S. Berndt: Did you run into Austin Meyer (X-Plane)? No, he was there last year to promote his latest release, but I'm not aware that he attended this year. (There were rumours someone had seen a Curtis Olson at the event, but that is yet another story...;-) ). cheers, Thorsten -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- LogMeIn Central: Instant, anywhere, Remote PC access and management. Stay in control, update software, and manage PCs from one command center Diagnose problems and improve visibility into emerging IT issues Automate, monitor and manage. Do more in less time with Central http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein12331_d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Quad-copters
Quick question: Do we have any working/flying examples of quad-copters in FlightGear? One of my friends from the U of MN is involved in a cool quad-copter based kickstarter.com project: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/qfolabs/mimixtm-tilt-to-fly-controller-and-nanoqtm-copter It's fairly hackable so it might be a fun one to model in FlightGear, and maybe even be able to fly the simulated version with the real controller. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] another git question
Thanks again everyone for the great feedback. I was completely unaware of the git bundle mechanism. That actually seems like it is the simplest and most straight forward. It allows pretty typical work flow with just an alternative mechanism for handling the network parts. The only tricky thing appears that I have to manually look at the log of commits and make sure I bundle the right things. Typical pull/push over the network figures all that out automatically. In my case I can sneaker-net the bundle or if it's small (which it usually is) I can sz/rz them back and forth over my slow console connection. So +1 on git bundle! :-) Curt. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:05 AM, James Turner wrote: On 3 Oct 2012, at 09:41, Tim Moore wrote: A better alternative in your case might be to use git bundles, which pack into a file the data that would be on the wire in a git push. http://git-scm.com/2010/03/10/bundles.html seems well suited to your scenario. Oooh, I didn't know about these - they sound like a good solution to Curt's issue. (Well, I'm a little surprised he/Curt can't rig some kind of serial/ usb-ethernet connection sufficient to push/pull directly from the device, but that's 'solving the wrong problem' :) James -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML include (and value overriding) question
For the sake of completeness, there is also the xml parameterization system often used for panel/instrument configuations. However, the down side of that is that it can lead to some crazy/convoluted path names that can be brittle and are highly dependent on nesting levels -- a functional but unwieldy extension to the property system. :-) Curt. On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Stuart Buchanan stuar...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: As far as I know XML is processed in order of appearance, so this should do the trick: PropertyList config weight-and-balance include=passengers.xml passenger1-kg75/passenger1-kg passenger3-kg80/passenger1-kg /weight-and-balance /config /PropertyList I think that will result in /config/weight-and-balance/passenger1-kg[0] = 60 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger1-kg[1] = 75 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger2-kg = 60 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger3-kg[0] = 60 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger3-kg[1] = 80 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger4-kg = 60 I think you need PropertyList config weight-and-balance include=passengers.xml passenger1-kg n=075/passenger1-kg passenger3-kg n=080/passenger1-kg /weight-and-balance /config /PropertyList I've used similar schemes in the various materials.xml and effects definitions. -Stuart -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] another git question
I know how everyone loves git questions here, so this is a bit off topic, but I have another crazy git question. The situation is probably weird enough that I might not be able to explain it well enough to get an answer, but let me try. The situation is that I have a master git repository on my linux pc (--bare). I then cloned it from multiple places and I can push and pull and commit from any of the remote clones (the clones that have a working tree) and everything works as expected. Now I'd like to also be able to pull and push and make changes (and keep in sync) on a computer that is impossible to have on the network (it's an embedded linux computer that has no network hardware and no way to add any.) The embedded linux computer has a full copy of git and a full native development system right on board. I am able to plug in a USB thumb drive, so my brilliant idea was to create a clone of the master repository on the thumb drive. The clone on the thumb drive is setup so it's remote path is valid when it is plugged into my main linux desktop PC and can see the master repository from there. I have a clone of the repository on my embedded system too, and it's remote is setup to point to the clone on the thumb drive when that is plugged in. So I can plug the thumb drive into my main linux computer and run pull/push against the master repository, or I can plug the thumb drive into the embedded system and do pulls/pushes from the local embedded system with the repository on the thumb drive acting as the remote master. Then if there are changes from the embedded system, I can move the thumb drive over to the linux desktop PC, go to the thumb drive repository and run a push from there to get the changes back into the master central repository ... that was my theory at least and I though I had it working until I started pushing changes around from a few different directions. The clone on the thumb drive was originally just a simple clone with a working tree, but I ran into problems making that the remote for my embedded clone, so I went back and remade the thumb drive clone using the --bare option. But now I'm in a situation where I have changes from the embedded system that I've pushed into the thumb drive repository. And I have changes from elsewhere that I've pushed into the master repository. If I cd to the thumb drive repository and run git push (which I thought would push my changes to the master repository) I get the following error: $ git push To /path/myrepo.git/ ! [rejected]master - master (non-fast-forward) error: failed to push some refs to '/path/myrepo.git/' hint: Updates were rejected because the tip of your current branch is behind hint: its remote counterpart. Merge the remote changes (e.g. 'git pull') hint: before pushing again. hint: See the 'Note about fast-forwards' in 'git push --help' for details. However, my thumb drive repository is created with the --bare option so I don't have a working tree, thus when I run git pull as per the suggestion in the error message I get: $ git pull fatal: /usr/libexec/git-core/git-pull cannot be used without a working tree. This may not make any sense the way I'm explaining it, or maybe I'm missing something completely obvious? But essentially I'm trying to work around not having a network connection by creating a go-between repository clone on a thumb drive. Is this possible? BTW, I looked at git clone --mirror, but I need to pass changes in both directions to/from the embedded system through the thumb drive repository so I don't think a pure mirror of the master repository will do what I want. Any suggestions? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] XML include (and value overriding) question
I have a question about the Flightgear xml config system and doing includes. This is an arbitrary example, but let's say I have an xml config file called main.xml: PropertyList config weight-and-balance include=passengers.xml / /config /PropertyList The passenger.xml file might look like the following: PropertyList passenger1-kg60/passenger1-kg passenger2-kg60/passenger2-kg passenger2-kg60/passenger2-kg passenger2-kg60/passenger2-kg /PropertyList In the property tree after this loads I will have: /config/weight-and-balance/passenger1-kg = 60 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger2-kg = 60 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger3-kg = 60 /config/weight-and-balance/passenger4-kg = 60 Now this is an arbitrary example, but what I want to do in my main.xml is override some of the default values in passenger.xml. Just imagine I am including a much more complicated config file with a lot of standard values, but maybe I want to override a tcp port, or set a enable/disable flag and do that from the main.xml level, and not touch the included file. This included file may get included on a number of systems and I may want to set specific values for each installation, rather than create a myriad of slightly different copies of a bunch of different included files. So for example, on some flight maybe I only have 3 passengers. I weigh them and they are 65 kg, 55 kg, and 58 kg (and the 4th would then be 0 kg.) I don't want to touch the passenger.xml file, but I want to override the default values in my main.xml file after (before?) including the file. Is there a way to include a sub xml file, but override some of the default values that are set in the included xml file? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] X-Plane sued for patent infringement
I posted something to slashdot, but I guess it came out as anonymous coward. Honestly, there are a lot of sharp people that read slashdot, but for every one of them, there are 10 complete morons. And at least on slashdot, the dumber the person and the less information they are armed with, the more emphatic they will make their point. I personally don't have time to correct every statement on slashdot, especially with people that shout louder than me. And my comment probably is ranked so low no one will actually see it, but hey, I did put in 15 minutes of effort here. :-) If someone else wants to be the flightgear slashdot information correctness ambassador I will be happy to give you an appointment and give you an official title, and even an official email address. Curt. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:42:40 +0200, Tim wrote in message CAPK_1fyqmUGgLrEO8KEUPGNvUHb5Frcr=ypieemg7m_oyjn...@mail.gmail.com: http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/09/14/2048240/patent-troll-sues-x-plane It turns out that the patent has nothing to do with flight simulation but with remote license checking, but still. The Slashdot article has the line X-plane is a cross-platform flight simulator app, notably the only serious one that supports Mac OSX and Linux. In the comments the serious part refers to X-Plane being FAA certified. Now, I know that software isn't FAA certified -- complete systems --are and that FlightGear has been used in commercial simulators too, but someone (Curt?) with the real details might want to chime in with a correction. ..looks like Austin's big sin was make X-plane an Android app. Who are the other 8 app developers? ..he should have dual-licensed X-Plane, _much_ easier to find pro bono lawyer etc help with the GPL. Oh well. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] license
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Renk Thorsten wrote: FlightProSim does not defraud its customers as far as I am aware. According to reports on this very list (hint) and elsewhere they don't comply with the money-back guarantee they advertize. I have heard of some people getting their money back, after quite a bit of difficulty. I have heard of many others who were in the process of trying to get their money back -- but I don't know the ultimate resolution -- just that it is far harder than the web site implies. These guys advertise with a combination of FSX, X-Plane, and Flightgear screen shots, and lately I've been seeing pictures of large commercial full cockpit sims. They advertise under a variety of names including names that are variations of Flight Simulator X. They blatantly rip images off our web site and crop the water marks. We haven't been able to pin them down on an obvious violation of our FlightGear license, but they will do and say just about anything. In addition, most of the advertising I've seen has been done under fake accounts. And even the identities on the official flight pro sim (and virtual pilot 3d) web pages are suspect. Oh, and they have been filling up the internet with fake reviews and piles of links to try to game the search engines. Typically when someone pulls the trigger and purchases the product, they get a download link only. They end up needing to pay an additional fee to get the software on DVD. It is a fairly long stretch to say that these guys offer a legitimate service, or meat the expectations their advertising creates. We haven't been able to pin them down on a specific technical violation of the gpl, but that doesn't mean they are legitimate, honorable, and ethical. Unfortunately, there are new people signing onto the internet for their very first time every day, and a few of them do fall victim to some of these wonderful sounding scams. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] license
all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Jenkins build server...
Hi Gijs, We are scratching our heads over this one. The server seems fine, jenkins itself is still running, it just stops answering web requests until the process can be restarted. I've just restarted the jenkins service so hopefully it will go for a while now. Curt. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Gene, looks like Jenkins is completely down today... Cheers, Gijs -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] feature request
How do I get a prototype here? Depending on how they have implemented the device, the integration could be relatively straight forward. Curt. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Michael scrat_h...@yahoo.com wrote: http://linuxgamingnews.org/2012/08/02/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game/ feature request for a later version! Cheers -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re : Rembrandt Compatibility and Triple Monitor Configuration: Hardware Recommendations?
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Durk Talsma durkt...@gmail.com wrote: I'll certainly look into upgrading the CPU (+Motherboard) as well then... I recently upgrade my primary PC (was forced to due to a hardware failure) and bought an AMD FX-6200 (6 x 3.8Ghz cores.) That seemed to be somewhere on the corner of the price/performance curve which is usually where I try to aim. (Beyond which higher performance starts costing a *lot* more.) I'm probably coming due for a new video card here too so I'm happy to hear what other people's experiences are. I started building my own PC's again -- I went through 2 off-the-shelf PC's and they both were very disappointing and underperforming for FlightGear purposes. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 2.8. osx download broken
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 4:40 AM, HB-GRAL flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Hi Curt and mirrors I can’t download the OSX release from your servers. It’s always broken around +- 450 Mb. What tool (browser, app?) are you using to download flightgear? In the past we have run into some browsers that simply croaked on larger files. If this is common to a specific browser or download app it would be good to make note of that so we can warn people and suggest an alternative. I know the google chrome and firefox are pretty solid choices for downloading big files. Sometimes it's just the local internet that's a problem and isn't stable for long enough stretches to download such big files. But anyway, I don’t know if it is worth to care about this download, the Mac release seems to be broken at all, James has pushed through a fix for 10.6.x I believe and we are waiting for someone to test it and give feedback before pushing it up to the wide world. there is a problem with subversion linking reported from many users at forums (this is the heavy change to be compatible with OSX 10.8, I know, it’s boring and I also know James is working very hard on this). I wouldn't call it boring, but not everyone owns a Mac running 10.8 -- I think that's a pretty small club right now (growing of course, but there are still some people out there running 10.5, and I have 10.6 on my little iMac.) But is it worth just to kick out a release directly with heavy changes in distribution, without any testing and candidates before? I will really help to test and unfortunately I didn’t find the time the last days because of other work. And I’m willing to help users at forums and everywhere, but not without having some time for testing and another schedule, which is always widely accepted by OSX users btw. (see history of 2.0/2.4/2.6 macflightgear releases). It's never fun to run into issues like this the hard way. But we have a published plan that we were/are operating from. Again, different developers run different systems so we depend on each other to cover different areas of expertise. We are continually updating the plan and the process and fixes for MacOSX that we discover in this cycle will hopefully feed into the next cycle so that each time is a little smoother than before. One issue this time around was that Tat was out of town for most of the critical weeks leading up to the release so James jumped in to try to get the release package working and spent a huge amount of time trying to add support for 10.8. Not only is our own code evolving and improving, but the systems we support can also be a rapidly moving target. So I will personally apologize for any issues on the MacOSX front this time around, clearly we hit a couple glitches, but everyone is working hard and we will get this all sorted out soon I think -- and sorted out in a way that will make future releases and future release candidates much easier to deal with. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Unable to play FlightGear.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: I do have a solution that installs the required dll files using cmake/cpack and nsis for my own project. Maybe good to add to the next release. I believe we do include the necessary dll's already, but perhaps this individual had different (older/newer?) versions that somehow conflicted enough to cause an error? Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.8.0 - closing release/2.8.0 branch
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: This marks our final state of the code for the 2.8.0 release. Please start building our distributables from this tag on the release/2.8.0 branch. Anything pushed to fg/sg/fgdata into the release/2.8.0 branch from how on will eventually go into a 2.8.0.x bugfix release. I'm currently uploading source .tar.gz's and the FlightGear-data.tar.gz to the ibiblio.org mirror. I've finished the windows packaging and once the data tar ball is fully uploaded, I'll begin to upload the official v2.8.0 windows setup.exe I have a preliminary v2.8 aircarft download page created ( http://www.flightgear.org/download/aircraft-v2-8/) but Gijs is working on an improved aircraft download page that should be ready in time for the release. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dan Freeman and ProFlightSimulator
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:30 AM, geneb wrote: Ah, ok. I wonder if that's what is on this fancy 4 DVD set they're shipping now... I still would like the contents of those DVDs - I'd like to put together some kind of anti campaign so folks know where to get for free what they're considering spending $150 on. Just be aware that the entire proflightsim/virtualpilot3d campaign and marketing is operated under a multitude of fake accounts. (I know you know that.) The point is that under fake accounts, people can say and do any nasty thing they want -- when I spent a bit of time trying to report some fake accounts and false advertising, I got met with some vicious responses. I wouldn't put it past some of these guys to do denial of service attacks or attempt to disrupt our project using the meanest techniques they can think of. Unfortunately they can easily be far more mean and nasty than me -- so please be a bit careful about upping the ante with these guys. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changelog for Release 2.8.0
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.netwrote: Curt, ** ** I’m sure we could do a pretty good screenshot of Vinson. I’ll see what I can come up with. ** ** Vivian Hi Vivian, I'd love to have a couple nice Vinson shots -- at least one with shadows, and at least one with the new deck lighting. I keep wanting to make some new carrier ops videos -- watching the aircraft pass through the deck lights and get lighter/darker is subtle and happens quickly, but is pretty cool. Also watching the shadow on landing is also pretty cool, as is seeing the spinning radar dish shadows cast across the deck ... Curt. ** ** *From:* Curtis Olson [mailto:curtol...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 14 August 2012 15:47 *To:* FlightGear developers discussions *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changelog for Release 2.8.0 ** ** On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote: By the way, maybe we could contribute few screenshots (the best) to the OSG new website : http://www.openscenegraph.com/index.php/gallery/screenshots For the moment, FG is absent in this page. ** ** How about a cool Rembrandt shot showing some nice lighting or shadows? The Vinson is pretty cool although I don't know how well that shows up as a screenshot? ** ** Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org ** ** -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changelog for Release 2.8.0
Oh, that link doesn't reference your name so it doesn't work (I get my own public folder) :-) On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.netwrote: Curt, ** ** Here’s a few: ** ** https://www.dropbox.com/home/Public/Vinson ** ** Any good? I can soon rattle up a few more. ** ** Vivian ** ** *From:* Curtis Olson [mailto:curtol...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 15 August 2012 16:19 *To:* FlightGear developers discussions *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changelog for Release 2.8.0 ** ** On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.net wrote: Curt, I’m sure we could do a pretty good screenshot of Vinson. I’ll see what I can come up with. Vivian ** ** Hi Vivian, I'd love to have a couple nice Vinson shots -- at least one with shadows, and at least one with the new deck lighting. I keep wanting to make some new carrier ops videos -- watching the aircraft pass through the deck lights and get lighter/darker is subtle and happens quickly, but is pretty cool. Also watching the shadow on landing is also pretty cool, as is seeing the spinning radar dish shadows cast across the deck ... ** ** Curt. *From:* Curtis Olson [mailto:curtol...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 14 August 2012 15:47 *To:* FlightGear developers discussions *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changelog for Release 2.8.0 On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote: By the way, maybe we could contribute few screenshots (the best) to the OSG new website : http://www.openscenegraph.com/index.php/gallery/screenshots For the moment, FG is absent in this page. How about a cool Rembrandt shot showing some nice lighting or shadows? The Vinson is pretty cool although I don't know how well that shows up as a screenshot? Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel ** ** -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org ** ** -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Release 2.8.0 - closing release/2.8.0 branch
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:30 AM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote: Hi all, I have just suggested off-list to close the release/2.8.0 branches (FG+SG+FGDATA) on Thursday (16th) in the morning (UTC) to give those packing the binaries and tarballs enough time for the task. Please shout if there are any objections. Do we have a volunteer (Thorsten?) to tag the branches as 2.8.0 to mark the official close of changes for 2.8.0(.0)? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changelog for Release 2.8.0
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Frederic Bouvier wrote: By the way, maybe we could contribute few screenshots (the best) to the OSG new website : http://www.openscenegraph.com/index.php/gallery/screenshots For the moment, FG is absent in this page. How about a cool Rembrandt shot showing some nice lighting or shadows? The Vinson is pretty cool although I don't know how well that shows up as a screenshot? Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] git help request
It looks like every time you rebase you have to reapply the same set of patches over top the target branch. So even if I figure out a way through it once, I'll have to repeat the same conconction of craziness each time I rebase. I think I'm going to create a new branch, untar my changes on top, lose all my history and forget about it. I didn't budget 2 full days to fiddle with this and I'm frustrated and annoyed now and unsure what/if/anything I've lost or broken -- blahhh ... little things you might not notice for 6 months because you don't work with every file every day ... Curt. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Renk Thorsten thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fiwrote: The typical fix is to edit the conflicting files and git add them the run git rebase --continue. But these files don't exist so I can't edit them, git add fails, git rm also fails since they don't exist. If the files no longer exist, I think one solution is to tell the system to skip the patch: git rebase --skip did the trick for me on a similar occasion. The rebase operation then goes on with the next patch. If you actually want the files, git checkout branch where files still exist -- non-existing file should fetch them from the branch where they still exist. I also frequently use git status to track what exactly the problem is. Although I am probably not the best source for GIT troubleshooting, I feel your pain. I've had similar trouble a few times. Cheers, * Thorsten -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] git help request
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Anders Gidenstam anders-...@gidenstam.orgwrote: If you can figure out which commits cause the problems you can edit them out of your branch (or, better, out of a copy of it) using git rebase -i HEAD~42 (change 42 to the number of commits back from HEAD that you need to touch). See also the manual page for git rebase and http://git-scm.com/book/en/Git-Tools-Rewriting-History#Changing-Multiple-Commit-Messages I appreciate all the suggestions, it is getting slightly more complicated than I want to deal with today. :-) I did play with interactive git rebase, but my brain overheated trying to imagine what happens and what downstream breakage might occur if I skip a commit that involves renaming directories? And then I'd still have to remember the exact sequence of steps each time I did a new rebase. Apparently rebase doesn't quite do what I expected it to do -- it catches you up, but later if you do another rebase apparently it redoes all your changes from day 1 of your branch. There is probably a good reason for doing it this way, but I was imagining that a rebase was a one time operation and future rebases would be able to start from where the previous one finished off. Maybe that doesn't make any sense? I'm probably a bit confused in either case -- flightgear seems to force you to jump into the deep end of the git pool right away. :-) -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D models import webform in production.
Thanks to all involved for all your hard work on this!!! I'm busy right now updating new scenery chunks that include Martin's recent duplicate object clean up. But everyone can get things quicker themselves via terrasync (or running svn manually to keep their scenery tree in sync.) Curt. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Olivier wrote: Hi all, Just to let you know that the 3D models import webform in now in early production. The first 3D models (both static and shared) imported for test have been correctly shipped downwards by Terrasync. A big thank to Martin, Julien, Clément for their help and support. I hope you enjoy this tool and that it will make more scenery available via Terrasync, without having to download here and there, so we have a beautiful (hopefully with a new generated terrain) scenery to show for 3.0. Together with the other webforms for mass insertion, deletion, update, this is [yet another - but we're used to!] unique feature in the flight simulation world issued by FG! All tools are available on the usual website with scenemodels and mapserver data : http://scenemodels.flightgear.org/submission/ Enjoy, Olivier -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] git help request
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Tim Moore wrote: If you are going to keep a branch for a long time that you are not merging back into e.g., master, there are a couple of possibilities. One is to merge (pull) master into your branch. Another is to check out git-rerere (I kid you not), which records merge conflict resolutions and reapplies them automatically when needed. With that you can either rebase repeatedly or never rebase and periodically do test merges with master. My typical workflow is to pull the master branch (daily at least) and then when there are updates, checkout my private branch and git merge master. That's worked fine, except it is my understanding that this is frowned upon because some day if I ever cherry pick something back into the master branch, the commit log will get prefaces with a couple hundred merge messages. The rebase supposedly puts my local changes at the top. Every thing generally works as it's supposed to I think, except the double directory mv in a single commit seemed to completely confuse the subsequent rebase. I think I'm just going to file this under: git gives you more than enough rope to hang yourself by, especially when you venture away from the simple/common usage cases and don't have a complete understanding of what git does under the hood and how each command manipulates the internal state. I haven't lost anything (other than 2 days of my life) :-) -- and I still have my old branch, now renamed with all the history; so for the moment I've created a new branch, moved all the different stuff to that (I hope) and will continue on from there. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] git help request
I've run into a problem with git and I seem to hit a dead end no matter which way I turn. I'm hoping this is something easy to solve, but the details might be complicated to communicate? I'll try to start simple -- I'm working with the fgdata repository. I created my own branch and have been tracking some experimental stuff there. This has been working well and when I do a git pull I will checkout my local branch and merge with the master to make sure everything is tracking well and stays compatible. With my most recent attempt to merge my local branch with master I got an error (unfortunately now I do not remember what the exact error was, and I had to do a reboot for other reasons in the mean time.) My first thought after getting an error trying to merge was maybe I should rebase since I've just been merging all along. So I ran git rebase and that ran did a lot of work, but then generated some error messages about whitespace, and then displayed some message that it had to fall back to a 3-way diff. That ran and ran for quite some time and (I think?) errored out. Again, I don't have the message any more. :-( Now after my reboot, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If I run git branch I get: $ git branch * (no branch) If I try to checkout any branch I get a list of files that need merge and then the message: error: you need to resolve your current index first. If I git add any of these files, what branch am I adding them to and merging them into? (no branch)? It seems like all the git help I can find for these error messages presumes I can checkout a branch -- but I can't. Any suggestions? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] git help request
A quick update here. Rob pointed out the git rebase --abort command which got me back to a sensible working state. I was able to reevaluate my original problem which turned out to be a simple merge conflict in my branch vs. changes in master and I was able to fix that and successfully merge -- so I'm in a reasonable working state again. But I would mind rebasing my local changes, but I still get an error. I think what happened originally is I changed the directory name of my aircraft from Malolo1 to Resolution, then thought for a second and changed it again to ATI-Resolution -- and then did that all as a single commit. Now the rebase throws fits on that patch. It complains about whitespace errors, then falls back to a 3-way merge, then reports conflicts with all the files in the 2 old directories, for example: Aircraft/Malolo1/Engines/18x8.xml: needs merge Aircraft/Resolution/Engines/18x8.xml: needs merge The typical fix is to edit the conflicting files and git add them the run git rebase --continue. But these files don't exist so I can't edit them, git add fails, git rm also fails since they don't exist. I suppose I could abandon this branch, figure out the diffs against master manually, create a new branch, and copy those diffs into my new branch -- but then I would lose all my history and that just doesn't seem very git-ish -- I hate to go against the spirit of git which is more along the lines of performing brain surgery on myself when I don't quite feel happy -- what could go wrong? Or what do I do when something goes wrong? :-) Curt. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: I've run into a problem with git and I seem to hit a dead end no matter which way I turn. I'm hoping this is something easy to solve, but the details might be complicated to communicate? I'll try to start simple -- I'm working with the fgdata repository. I created my own branch and have been tracking some experimental stuff there. This has been working well and when I do a git pull I will checkout my local branch and merge with the master to make sure everything is tracking well and stays compatible. With my most recent attempt to merge my local branch with master I got an error (unfortunately now I do not remember what the exact error was, and I had to do a reboot for other reasons in the mean time.) My first thought after getting an error trying to merge was maybe I should rebase since I've just been merging all along. So I ran git rebase and that ran did a lot of work, but then generated some error messages about whitespace, and then displayed some message that it had to fall back to a 3-way diff. That ran and ran for quite some time and (I think?) errored out. Again, I don't have the message any more. :-( Now after my reboot, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. If I run git branch I get: $ git branch * (no branch) If I try to checkout any branch I get a list of files that need merge and then the message: error: you need to resolve your current index first. If I git add any of these files, what branch am I adding them to and merging them into? (no branch)? It seems like all the git help I can find for these error messages presumes I can checkout a branch -- but I can't. Any suggestions? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] git help request
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:45 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: A quick update here. Rob pointed out the git rebase --abort command which got me back to a sensible working state. I was able to reevaluate my original problem which turned out to be a simple merge conflict in my branch vs. changes in master and I was able to fix that and successfully merge -- so I'm in a reasonable working state again. But I would mind rebasing my local changes, but I still get an error. I think what happened originally is I changed the directory name of my aircraft from Malolo1 to Resolution, then thought for a second and changed it again to ATI-Resolution -- and then did that all as a single commit. Now the rebase throws fits on that patch. It complains about whitespace errors, then falls back to a 3-way merge, then reports conflicts with all the files in the 2 old directories, for example: Aircraft/Malolo1/Engines/18x8.xml: needs merge Aircraft/Resolution/Engines/18x8.xml: needs merge The typical fix is to edit the conflicting files and git add them the run git rebase --continue. But these files don't exist so I can't edit them, git add fails, git rm also fails since they don't exist. I suppose I could abandon this branch, figure out the diffs against master manually, create a new branch, and copy those diffs into my new branch -- but then I would lose all my history and that just doesn't seem very git-ish -- I hate to go against the spirit of git which is more along the lines of performing brain surgery on myself when I don't quite feel happy -- what could go wrong? Or what do I do when something goes wrong? :-) brain surgery --abort :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] git help request
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Tim Moore wrote: It sounds like your local tree has not been completely committed. See what git status says. Check out the man page for git-mv. I can't say more right at the moment, but I'll see if I can add more details later. There are a couple other random untracked changes, but nothing inside any of the directories that were renamed and now failing on the rebase. Curt;. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Procedural texturing merge request
Is this work something that is active by default or does it need to be turned on? Or is it only availble in a particular area? Do I need to do anything special to look at the results beyond just take off and fly around anywhere? Thanks, Curt. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Renk Thorsten thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fiwrote: are there any screenshots available which compares before/after? Not as such... A collection of work in progress is in the forum http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=47t=16884 but this is with my private not-necessarily-GPL development environment. The comparison is otherwise quite easily done in-sim - the transition and landmass quality sliders control the texturing, setting them both to zero when atmospheric light scattering is on restores default texturing. Note that currently only /Materials/regions/materials.xml contains the overlay texture definitions and that not all landclasses are done - I still have some textures only in non-GPL compatible form. * Thorsten -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Procedural texturing merge request
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Renk Thorsten wrote: Is this work something that is active by default or does it need to be turned on? Or is it only availble in a particular area? Do I need to do anything special to look at the results beyond just take off and fly around anywhere? * atmospheric light scattering: on * shader micromanagement dialog: landmass and transition effects to max (or above 3 in order to see partial effects) Hmmm, my shader micromanagement dialog box is only showing two options right now. Category General: landmass and water. There is an aicraft category at the bottom of the dialog, but no actual options to set. I'm running a pretty advanced nvidia card with very recent nvidia drivers. Has the system decided I don't have any shader options I can set other than these two ... this must be a recent change -- not long ago I remember having lots of shader options I could tweak. - look for any shrub or herbtundra landclass, they have the full bells and whistles, sand has some detail overlay * also play with Advanced Weather/Environment dust cover and terrain wetness for more fun The area around Las Vegas is very nice - it's almost all shrub and gets the full blast of the effect. - Mojave desert should look like this http://users.jyu.fi/~trenk/pics/xb70.jpg Watch console for shader compilation errors if this doesn't work, experience tells me that nVidia drivers are very tolerant, ATI drivers are not, so it is possible that some GLSL runs fine for me, but not for others, which is very hard to anticipate. * Thorsten -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Procedural texturing merge request
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Renk Thorsten wrote: Hmmm, my shader micromanagement dialog box is only showing two options right now. Category General: landmass and water. I don't have the bandwidth at the moment to pull back master, but I've checked the local branch from which I merged and I checked the log for FGData master on GIT - among other things, gui/dialogs/shaders-lightfield.xml should have received an update enabling the settings for urban and transition shader - which you are not seeing. I can actually see the dialog with the correct options here https://www.gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/blobs/9e8735c64996614174d2d86526f258f44bacd7c4/gui/dialogs/shaders-lightfield.xml So to my ability to check, FGData master should allow you to see the additional options and make the shaders work for you. Are you by any chance on the release branch? I'm on the master/next branch here for these tests. But I haven't kept close enough tabs on the lightfield/regional gui options dialog box to quite know exactly what I should be seeing or where to start for hunting what's going on. Shouldn't I be seeing quite a few detailed shader options -- that used to be the case. Are the regional textures automatic? Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Procedural texturing merge request
Hi Fred and Thorsten, I exited and restarted and seem to be getting the dialog more correctly now -- but I don't think I'm seeing the regional or procedure textures around Mojave. What should I be looking for there? I'm running with: --materials-file=Materials/regions/materials.xml and rembrandt off. Turning atmospheric scattering on/off seems to do the right thing now with the shader dialog box. But I'm not seeing anything different in the ground textures. Or do I need to have some sort of custom scenery installed that references the new material definitions? Thanks, Curt. On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Frederic Bouvier wrote: Hmmm, my shader micromanagement dialog box is only showing two options right now. Category General: landmass and water. There is an aicraft category at the bottom of the dialog, but no actual options to set. I'm running a pretty advanced nvidia card with very recent nvidia drivers. Has the system decided I don't have any shader options I can set other than these two ... this must be a recent change -- not long ago I remember having lots of shader options I could tweak. Here is how the dialog looks here : http://frbouvi.free.fr/flightsim/fgfs-shader-dialog.jpg Left: without atmospheric scattering Right: with atmospheric scattering (Rembrandt off of course) Regards, -Fred -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Scenery
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Erik Hofman wrote: When searching for some nice scenery spots for FlightGear to download I discovered that everything on the site still refers to the 1.0.1 scenery that was automatically generated in 2008. Hi Erik, Where were you seeing the links and references to the 1.0.1 scenery. It's true we haven't regenerated terrain since probably back then, but we do continually add new objects continually. Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Planned downtime of ftp.de
Sounds good, thanks for the update! What did they end up upgrading to? (Are you they or are they someone else? Who are they anyway?) Please pass along my thanks to them. :-) Curt. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Martin Spott wrote: ftp.de is currently offline due to hardware failure, it's been a Sun Ultra10 which has been running for more than a decade now. After the mirror had already been running in degraded mode (without Scenery) for a while, it should now be fully functional again, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
