Re: [Flightgear-devel] Panel designers: feedback needed
I generally make 3d panels, but I find textranslate etc useful, indeed vital within these 3d instruments for example in HIS. I'm also using them for rain effects on canopies, so as far as I'm concerned the 2d panel stuff is still very much in use. (still trying to collect together all the feedback on this, so apologies if this is a bit confused, but:) Doesn't the animations system have a textranslate node as well? As far as I can see, the features the animation system is missing compared to the 2D panels is cropped textures (but maybe I've overlooked it?) and text, but there seems to be some other issues with the 2D text system, because, for example, Syd seems to use a sliding, cropped number texture for each digit in favour of an actual text +chunks node. (trying not to speak for Syd when he's away here) James OK holidaying is done ! 2 days driving on snow covered roads is enough for me :) As far as I knew the textranslate is a 3d feature , not a 2d panel feature. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dots, degrees and magic '5's
So, it seems like at least Syd may have been assuming the deflection was in 'dots * 5' rather than 'degrees * 5' - I'd love Syd to confirm or deny that. The upshot of this is that the GS indicator in Primus is, **I think**, about 1/3rd as sensitive as it should be. However, I could easily be wrong about this, so I'll wait for Syd to offer his opinion. Comments on any of the above are welcome. Regards, James I think i assumed long ago that the GS deflection had a limit of -10 to 10 like the heading-needle-deflection , and so scaled the needle to the outermost dot accordingly. The manual states that in GS mode the vertical scale is in degrees , and captures at 0.5 degrees , and I'm assuming (again) , that each dot must represent 1 degree, since I havent come across exact numbers yet.In other words, my setup could be wrong, I'll have to research this more. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dots, degrees and magic '5's
Going through the Primus manaul again , and one section states that capture occurs at +- 0.5 degrees , and an approach illustration states typical capture point at 1/3 dot ... so for the Primus it looks like each dot is 1.5 degrees deviation... attachment: ils-app.png-- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dots, degrees and magic '5's
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:32 AM, John Denker j...@av8n.com wrote: On 01/02/2009 11:37 AM, syd adams wrote: Going through the Primus manaul again , and one section states that capture occurs at +- 0.5 degrees , and an approach illustration states typical capture point at 1/3 dot ... so for the Primus it looks like each dot is 1.5 degrees deviation... Which are you going to believe: -- the manual, or -- the trees coming through the windshield? The _center_ of the glideslope is only 3 degrees above horizontal (sometimes less) and there are trees and things that stick up above the horizontal plane. If each dot is 1.5 degrees, I'd hate to be two dots low on the approach. I see your point , but not being a pilot , I tend to believe the manual... I'm still searching for cold hard facts, though. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dots, degrees and magic '5's
Further online searching turned up this This deflection corresponds to the direction the pilot must fly to intercept the glide path and is proportional to the angular displacement from the glide path angle. As with the localizer, the full scale deflection is 150 microamperes. Typically, the glide slope sensitivity is set so that the full-scale indications occur at approximately 2.3 and 3.7 degrees elevation. this is from http://www.ohio.edu/avionics/research/nav/ils/glideslope.cfm -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dots, degrees and magic '5's
Ok , Im getting closer...i think Another manual i have states min glideslope angle = 2.5 degrees , maximum = 3.25 degrees, so does that mean the needle animation range should be 0.25 at the upper second dot, and -0.5 for the bottom second dot ? That approach illustration is really confusing me now :) -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Dots, degrees and magic '5's
OK , so my needle animation is far too insensitive , but the needle deflection property shows 0 at dead center (3 degrees). What I was asking is what amount of deflection per dot the needle should move based on the existing property , so I'll go with 0.35 and try some approaches. Thanks everyone for pointing out this error... -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bug reports... weather, and ILS...
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello all -- Using 2208-01-11 CVS build flying the Cessna Citation Bravo on Windows Vista with NVIDIA 6100 GeForce 405... Lately I have noticed that the glideslopes seem to be uniformly wrong or inoperable somehow. This changed within the last couple of builds. Previously, when on final, the visual glideslope indicators would essentially match up with what the ILS was telling me. However, now it seems as if the ILS is pegged high (indicating I am too low) while the visual indicators are all white (indicating I am too high). Also, this has possibly been going on quite some time now (since I started reporting NaN bugs on my medium-haul flights), but in many cases, the METAR doesn't change the active wind and cloud settings unless I actually look at the METAR (Environment -- Weather Scenario). As soon as I close the dialog box, the clouds change, the KIAS moves suddenly, and the plane may rock side-to-side gently for a moment or two. *RARELY* I will notice the weather settings change on their own during flight, but it seems as if *USUALLY* it doesn't do so unless I look at the METAR. Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu This might be partly my fault , I changed the neelde animation because it was pointed out that it was too insensitive , but now it has a very narrow window to operate in , and the ealier discussions and the manual don't jive so I'll look into it some more . The changes I made were about a week or so ago. I haven't looked at the instrumentation/nav/gs-needle-deflection while flying to see if the behaviour has changed there yet... -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MP Liveries for Boeing 737-300
IMHO , I think maybe 2-4 liveries could be included with cvs aircraft , but another site to download extra liveries , similar to the aircraft download page ... cheers -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] airliner ditching miracle ... or not
So, how about it? Who is serious about going down that road? I am , for one, which is why I dont get the apperent need to impress the general user community... I didn't think we were creating a game here... I'm currently more interested in getting the glass cockpits to behave realistically , but since I am not a RL pilot , finding accurate information isn't that easy.Theory is great , but doesn't always match RL behavior... Input is always appreciated , with facts and docs to back it up , but not the its wrong because I say so kind of help ... ;) Cheers -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Aircraft/Boeing314 Boeing314A.xml, 1.5, 1.6
Maybe I'm being naive here , but wouldn't be easier to jusr remove the word Boeing from the files ? -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing and disclaimers for aircraft models
I have to agree with the last 2 options maybe keep a select few to go with the release. It would make the first time data update more pleasant :). For the aircraft models, there are 3 not-very-attractive choices: * Don't say the aircraft are GPL'ed. Models are under any random license; seller beware. Yuck. * Rip out the non-GPLed models. * Create GPL'ed and other aircraft repositories. Tim -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 33, Issue 26
I am tired of the negative attitudes of some. CVS is a place of study, research, development. It is not there to the users. Please. The stable official FG contains a minimum of aircraft representing a wide diversity. That's enough. And there is no place to get lost. Those who choose to recover the aircrafts CVS do so knowingly. There is therefore no criticism to make on this subject. Except, of course, want to criticize for the sake of criticism and damage the work of others. Bests regards. Emmanuel P.S. Free software is also freedom of choice. And more there will be planes, more users will have the freedom to choose. -- BARANGER Emmanuel Hi Emmanuel , My thoughts were to move the extra or non sellable aircraft out of cvs /data , not to erase them completely I am working on the Boeing 777 , so this issue is of some interest to me Cheers -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 33, Issue 26
well not if it has the word Boeing in it , if I understand correctly. But I have no objection to removing or modifying any of my aircraft if they might possibly cause problems, or don't fit the GPL licence Cheers On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Stefan Seifert n...@detonation.orgwrote: On Saturday, 24. January 2009, syd adams wrote: My thoughts were to move the extra or non sellable aircraft out of cvs /data , not to erase them completely I am working on the Boeing 777 , so this issue is of some interest to me Why is it, since the 777 is clearly as sellable as any other FG aircraft? Stefan -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] weird memory bloat
I noticed a change too after updating yesterday I tried several times to fly online around KSFO , and after 10 - 15 minutes , I came to a stop midair while the hard drive thrashed away ... I finally had to kill X to get back some control over my system ... It definately wasn't like this before the update ... I only have 512 megs of memory , and my dockapp shows Im pretty much at the limit with FG So my question is , how could I track this down? I've never used any debugging tools . Looks like a good time to try , just not sure which . (on Linux) Cheers -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] weird memory bloat
Thanks Michael, I'll try it out ... On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Michael D. Smith mdsmi...@highland.netwrote: syd adams wrote: I noticed a change too after updating yesterday I tried several times to fly online around KSFO , and after 10 - 15 minutes , I came to a stop midair while the hard drive thrashed away ... I finally had to kill X to get back some control over my system ... It definately wasn't like this before the update ... I only have 512 megs of memory , and my dockapp shows Im pretty much at the limit with FG So my question is , how could I track this down? I've never used any debugging tools . Looks like a good time to try , just not sure which . (on Linux) Cheers -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel I have always used gdb and strace for debugging FlightGear. gdb -args fgfs arguments will bring you into the gdb interface, run will start it, bt is for backtrace, etc. Reading the man page for gdb would be best. The only time I recall this happening to me was because I was completely out of memory (I had 376 MBs at the time) and had to deal with it by increasing swap size and dealing with the extra lag from using swap. I would help test with this but my computer used for FlightGear died so I am stuck with an onboard intel graphics chip that isn't worth a lick. -- Michael Smith mdsmi...@highland.net (mdsmith2) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] fuel gauges ...
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[Flightgear-devel] fuel gauges ...
Hello , I would like to know if the jsbsim 'consumables/fuel/tank[?]/level-lb' property name could be changed to level-lbs for compatability sake ... Currently I have to chech the condition of that property to properly animate a fuel gauge and to me , level-lb just doesnt read right ... tanks hold more than a pound ... I think I brought this up quite a while back but dont remember the response . Cheers -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fuel gauges ...
And since I brought it up , yes, I'll track down and make the required animations changes . (If the other aircraft modellers have no objection). On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jon S. Berndt jonsber...@comcast.netwrote: Sounds like a good idea to me to change it to lbs. Jon -Original Message- From: Anders Gidenstam [mailto:anders-...@gidenstam.org] Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:55 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] fuel gauges ... On Thu, 5 Feb 2009, syd adams wrote: Hello , I would like to know if the jsbsim 'consumables/fuel/tank[?]/level- lb' property name could be changed to level-lbs for compatability sake ... Currently I have to chech the condition of that property to properly animate a fuel gauge and to me , level-lb just doesnt read right ... tanks hold more than a pound ... I think I brought this up quite a while back but dont remember the response Hi, IIRC that property is created in JSBSim.cxx (the FG-JSBSim interface) and is one of the ones I'm itching to rename. If I rename it we do need to track down all uses of it in FG/CVS and fix them on the next FG-JSBSim synchronization. Anyone with CVS data access willing to help with that? If we get started with that we could also change all JSBSim aircraft using /engines/engine[x]/mp-osi for sound or animations to use mp-inhg as both those properties are actually in inHg (I'd like to remove the misnamed mp-osi property from JSBSim.cxx). Cheers, Anders -- --- Anders Gidenstam WWW: http://www.gidenstam.org/FlightGear/ --- --- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today- http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today- http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fuel gauges ...
If we get started with that we could also change all JSBSim aircraft using /engines/engine[x]/mp-osi for sound or animations to use mp-inhg as both those properties are actually in inHg (I'd like to remove the misnamed mp-osi property from JSBSim.cxx). Cheers, Anders Ah yes , I always wondered about those duplicates , but never really looked into it but I agree that one should be enough :) -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fuel gauges ...
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Jon S. Berndt jonsber...@comcast.netwrote: Sounds like a good idea to me to change it to lbs. Jon Oh good . Thanks Jon . I'll send a patch after I test it better to make sure I don't break anything , and find all other uses of it , unless Anders has beat me to it :) Cheers -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] fuel gauges ...
Hello , Ok, I have everything in the data folder converted to /level-lbs. (The Concorde was a bit of a nightmare) ... :) If someone could commit the patch , I'm ready to commit the data ... Thanks . -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] /consumables/fuel/tank[0]/level-lb??? s
No problem, :) In anycase when one don't know an aircraft it is ever difficult for him to update the model. I guess that it is better to ask to the original author to do the update, when necessary. Cheers -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ This was discussed here on the mailing list just last week , and since I requested the change , I figured it was my obligation to do the changes I did say (If the other aircraft modellers have no objection) :) Cheers -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] gps?
I had planned to switch the B1900D over to use that , since my nasal KLN90B is nothing more than a display of the current gps properties but waiting to see whats happening with the KLN89. Cheers -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] gps?
I have a silly , non FG question what does syd adams a écrit : mean Googling didn't help , and I don't speak french Cheers :) On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Sébastien MARQUE seb.mar...@free.frwrote: Hi, There is a gps in CVS: $FGROOT/Aircraft/Instruments-3d/zkv500, I mean an instrument which looks like a gps for a non-pilot, not-advised user :). This instrument manages routes, looks for airports, saves waypoints (bookmarks), creates routes, give several infos about wind, etc. It uses the /position/*, /environment/* properties and properties from the hard-coded kln89. It is a 5 lines LCD display with retrolight for nigh use, the manual is included in CVS for installation and use. Indeed it is surely not a real gps as trained pilots are used to see and use in aircraft but it could be useful for people wanting to include a gps in their cockpit. I'm as aware as I can about kln89/gps changes in the code, and I will make it compliant with the new system when it will be availble. For now it works quite correctly... but, again, it is still a toy for advanced pilots. Moreover the Nasal code is a bit ugly, but it uses all my skills about :p... best regards seb syd adams a écrit : I had planned to switch the B1900D over to use that , since my nasal KLN90B is nothing more than a display of the current gps properties but waiting to see whats happening with the KLN89. Cheers -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] gps?
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Reproducible crash in mk_viii.cxx
Found the problem with the DC6 , so apperently not related
You can't set turbo-lag to 0.0 ;)
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks , I was trying to figure out how to use gdb too :). I had a few
errors here , maybe related .
While testing the P47 , I took off from KSFO and headed towards the
Nimitz.At about the coastline , altitude about 2000 ft every thing paused...
I thought I accidentally hit p . Looking through the property tree I
noticed sim/crashed was true.I haven't been able to reproduce this, though.
Second problem I ran into last night was starting at any airport with the
DC-6 , everything was fine until I started the engines ... then the screen
went black , dropped to 1 fps , and a steady stream of:
CullVisitor::apply(Geode) detected NaN,
depth=nan, center=(0.002885 0.0187575 -0.0095325),
matrix={
nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan
}
I kind of suspect with the second problem that it might be a badly
configured yasim file... I had the same problem long ago with gear
values...
The jsbsim version flew fine , no problems.
I'll tweak it some more and see what happens.
Cheers
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Durk Talsma d.tal...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 22:52:47 Csaba Halász wrote:
Recent gdb does, exactly as Geoff wrote, with --args.
Ah, well, it's been approx since 1996 since I last read gdb
documentation...
Cheers,
Durk
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Reproducible crash in mk_viii.cxx
Thanks , I was trying to figure out how to use gdb too :). I had a few
errors here , maybe related .
While testing the P47 , I took off from KSFO and headed towards the
Nimitz.At about the coastline , altitude about 2000 ft every thing paused...
I thought I accidentally hit p . Looking through the property tree I
noticed sim/crashed was true.I haven't been able to reproduce this, though.
Second problem I ran into last night was starting at any airport with the
DC-6 , everything was fine until I started the engines ... then the screen
went black , dropped to 1 fps , and a steady stream of:
CullVisitor::apply(Geode) detected NaN,
depth=nan, center=(0.002885 0.0187575 -0.0095325),
matrix={
nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan
nan nan nan nan
}
I kind of suspect with the second problem that it might be a badly
configured yasim file... I had the same problem long ago with gear
values...
The jsbsim version flew fine , no problems.
I'll tweak it some more and see what happens.
Cheers
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Durk Talsma d.tal...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 22:52:47 Csaba Halász wrote:
Recent gdb does, exactly as Geoff wrote, with --args.
Ah, well, it's been approx since 1996 since I last read gdb
documentation...
Cheers,
Durk
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Nasal alternatives : possible, of course,
I'll second that still waiting for page 3 ;) On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has been quite entertaining! A big thanks to all the participants!!! :-) Curt. On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Jon S. Berndt jonsber...@comcast.netwrote: Oh, man -- giant Nasal flame war and I totally missed it. Melchior just now pointed me here. Sadly (or, well, not at all, actually) Andy's been doing a lot more of the daddy thing than the hacker thing recently. I kept up fairly well as a developer when we had two, but when we went from two to four kids in one fell swoop, it was like the rocket sled hitting the water trough. JB -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [RFC] ac3d and materials
Im also in favor of this change I prefer to control the ambient property , myself. Cheers -- Apps built with the Adobe(R) Flex(R) framework and Flex Builder(TM) are powering Web 2.0 with engaging, cross-platform capabilities. Quickly and easily build your RIAs with Flex Builder, the Eclipse(TM)based development software that enables intelligent coding and step-through debugging. Download the free 60 day trial. http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-adobe-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fwd: Remove right access to CVS FlightGear/data
I have to agree here ... seems pointless to keep them in cvs if gerard will have maintained versions available ... Also saves everyone's time down the road trying to explain why it's broken and where to get the current version.:) Cheers -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Scene ambient and specular color changes
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Erik Hofman e...@ehofman.com wrote: Hi, I have changed the specular and ambient behavior of FlightGear a bit by reducing specular highlight at decreased visibility and by increasing ambient colors at decreased visibility. This means that, form now on, when testing the color components of an aircraft it is best to switch to 'fair weather' and play with visibility a bit (z to increase it, and shift+z to decrease it). Erik -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel You mean I have to start over fixing my models ? I've only made it to C ! ;) -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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No I'm kidding . I noticed a definite improvement in the dawn and dusk lighting . I haven't noticed if there was an improvement in the mountian contrast , it always seemed too washed out to me , but I'll do more test flying tonight and check. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC: graphics effects files
This is getting over my head ... but I'd prefer not to see FG stagnate because of fear of the unknown ... it sounds like an interesting idea but I dont understand the code as well as some others and dont see the apocolypse coming :) One thing I do note though is that Tim DID put it here for discussion , where standard practice seems to be commit , then explain how things need to be done differently now. Thanks Tim , even if I dont quite follow the drama , its nice to know what's in the works . Cheers -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: High Quality Requirements in a Collaborative Environment. Download a free trial of Rational Requirements Composer Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/www-ibm-com___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER Autopilot
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER
While bug reports are great , this is in development , which is why it is in cvs with no finished sign stuck on it ;) Like I mentioned before , its in the middle of an overhaul , but I also have many others to try to keep up to date , so this isn't going to be an overnight fix. So be patient .Or learn to do this stuff yourself. We aren't a 24/7 paid support staff , but we try. Cheers -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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OK , thanks ... I thought you might be uder the impression that it was finished and broken, Its far from finished and broken ;) Cheers -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Im getting the same messages at startup , at any airport I try , but usually it stops after an exit and restart. I thought it was something local since no one on IRC had the same problem. -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777-200ER
Removing a few lines to non existant files would be more useful to me if you could name them . If your reporting bugs because of a mess on your end , maybe that should be resolved first. I only have so much spare time :) Since that doesn't happen here , I suspect you have leftovers,but more details would be helpful. Cheers -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Thanks , and my apologies Yes this is in progress here but not finished , so no i didnt commit ... I will commit a fix for now ... -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fatal error: name must begin with alpha or '_'
as soon as I get my system back up I'll check ... this is the cvs version I assume ? On 4/21/09, John Waget jwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I got this error message when running fg with 777-200ER: Fatal error: name must begin with alpha or '_' When running with other aircrafts, fg works perfectly. Can anyone tell me what's wrong? thanks John -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fatal error: name must begin with alpha or '_'
OK I've almost got everything back , and I'll have to recompile everything from scratch , so the error should appear here (no extra files I forgot to commit lying around). Ive had this error in the past but can't remember if its a typo in the nasal or xml files. Should have an answer this evening On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM, John Waget jwa...@gmail.com wrote: Yes this is the cvs version On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:43 PM, John Waget jwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I got this error message when running fg with 777-200ER: Fatal error: name must begin with alpha or '_' When running with other aircrafts, fg works perfectly. Can anyone tell me what's wrong? thanks John -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fatal error: name must begin with alpha or '_'
Well finally got everything up and running , and I cannot duplicate your error , although at the moment , pushing the fuel pump switches will cause an error . Not sure what to suggest other than try another cvs update on it . On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:35 AM, John Waget jwa...@gmail.com wrote: Yes this is the cvs version On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 5:43 PM, John Waget jwa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I got this error message when running fg with 777-200ER: Fatal error: name must begin with alpha or '_' When running with other aircrafts, fg works perfectly. Can anyone tell me what's wrong? thanks John -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Stay on top of everything new and different, both inside and around Java (TM) technology - register by April 22, and save $200 on the JavaOne (SM) conference, June 2-5, 2009, San Francisco. 300 plus technical and hands-on sessions. Register today. Use priority code J9JMT32. http://p.sf.net/sfu/p___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] working ridge lift !!
I tried this but no luck here Im still getting this message about every second: Warning: invalid line segment passed to IntersectVisitor::addLineSegment(..) nan nan 3.87514e+06 nan nan 3.85687e+06 segment ignored. i tested : _ridge_lift_fps_node-setDoubleValue( 0 ); and no more nan, all the properties in ridge-lift are now valid. jano -- Crystal Reports #45; New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensign option that enables unlimited royalty#45;free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] working ridge lift !!
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Alex Romosan romo...@sycorax.lbl.govwrote: syd adams writes: I tried this but no luck here Im still getting this message about every second: Warning: invalid line segment passed to IntersectVisitor::addLineSegment(..) nan nan 3.87514e+06 nan nan 3.85687e+06 segment ignored. i think this depends on the version of osg you are using. this particular warning comes from src/osgUtil/IntersectVisitor.cpp. can you try using a different version of osg? i use the latest from cvs and don't have any problems. --alex-- This is a completely fresh install of FG and OSG (svn) from yesterday OSG version is 2.9.4 ... I was getting this message before , and seemed to start when I tried the first ridgelift patch ... but can't verify that for certain... on an AMD Athalon 2800+ Nvidia Geforce 6200 ... It doesn't appear to slow things down here , just make it hard to watch for my own error messages . I'll try out these new patches and see what happens -- Crystal Reports #45; New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensign option that enables unlimited royalty#45;free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] working ridge lift !!
Just a note : I applied the last patch posted here and success ! No more warnings so far ,with the 777-200, at least. I'll try more. -- Crystal Reports #45; New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensign option that enables unlimited royalty#45;free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] nan report
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] working ridge lift !!
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC-6 Autopilot dialog
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Extending weather scenarios - Was: Visibility and ceiling options broken?
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Patch for the KI227 3d model
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Build fails with GCC 4.4.0
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Hans Janssen handigehan...@gmail.comwrote: Compiling flightgear from cvs with gcc 4.4.0 fails on utils/GPSsmooth/UGear_command.cxx. It can be resolved by adding #include cstdio to the file. My system is running on linux x86_64 if that matters somehow. Regards Hans I just ran into the same problem , and added #include stdio.h in the UGear_command.hxx to get it to finish compiling ... So my question is , which one should it be ? Syd -- Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, iPhoneDevCamp asthey present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, Big Spaceship. http://www.creativitycat.com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
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Thought I's pass this along to someone more knowledgable about these things : Just tried to compile simgear and got this error : include/c++/4.4.0/ext/atomicity.h:46: undefined reference to `__sync_fetch_and_add_4' Got it to finish compiling by configuring like this: ./configure CXXFLAGS=-march=i686 ... after some searching made it clear that i386 isnt supported anymore. Cheers, Syd -- Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, iPhoneDevCamp as they present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, Big Spaceship. http://p.sf.net/sfu/creativitycat-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Finding installed airports
This helped me out , not sure if it's what your looking for ... http://www.x-plane.org/home/robinp/Apt850.htm On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Andrew Gillanders andrew.gilland...@uqconnect.edu.au wrote: Is the content of 'apt.dat' documented somewhere, or do I need to look in the source to see how to interpret it? Thanks Andrew -- Register Now for Creativity and Technology (CaT), June 3rd, NYC. CaT is a gathering of tech-side developers brand creativity professionals. Meet the minds behind Google Creative Lab, Visual Complexity, Processing, iPhoneDevCamp as they present alongside digital heavyweights like Barbarian Group, R/GA, Big Spaceship. http://p.sf.net/sfu/creativitycat-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Gui - updating gui state dynamically
I've started something similar, (I think) , with help from others, with the ATC2. I use the nasal airportinfo(id) to get airport and runway info.The ATC2 uses 2d panel text , but should be able to do the same in a dialog . A listener would be able to run a routine whenever the ICAO code changed ... ... Im on lunch break , so dont have time for more details :) Cheers On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:52 AM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: (getting back into some route-manager / GPS hacking, after a busy few months) Can anyone (with more experience of the GUI code and Nasal) suggest how close I can get to a GUI like the one I've mocked-up below: the idea being you enter an ICAO code, and when a valid code is entered, the runways menu gets populated (defaulting to the active runway for the airport, that's the one marked with an asterix) and we also update the airport text field to show full name. Here's what I think this needs, but perhaps I'm wrong: - the ability to populate a menu (of runways, in this case, but it could be anything) dynamically from a script / dialog-action - presumably from a Nasal array of strings, or a hash. - a way to run a dialog-action every time a text input field (for the airport ICAO code) receives a key-press, so I can keep trying to look up the airport and then populate the runways menu. I want this for the route-manager dialog, but I can imagine similar concepts being useful in the other places in the GUI - for example the 'position on ground' dialog could have the runway and parking position fields replaced with menus, avoiding having to guess the correct values. Regards, James -- OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- OpenSolaris 2009.06 is a cutting edge operating system for enterprises looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the latest innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization. Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Emission animation broken?
I updated a week ago and it works , it never appeared to be broken here. Are you referring to the ambient material changes ? That has changed ... Hi All,Is there any work being done to fix the lack of 'Emission Animation'? Currently, to test any animated models which use /sim/time/utc/second, I have to resort to version 1.0.0. In view of the way things are being changed as FG progresses, it would be a shame if this previously available asset were to be left behind. Best regards, Vic -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re;Emission animation broken?
yes that might give us an idea of what's happening. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Vic Marriott v...@macdream.net wrote: Are you referring to the ambient material changes ? I don't think so. I am trying to use particular seconds to switch illuminations on or off. Would it help if I showed the actual code I am using? Vic -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] terragear
Hi , I decided to get brave and try terragear since my local airport in FG needs a lot of fixing. Are terragear and terragear-cs two separate programs ? Or which is under current development? From past posts it doesnt look like an easy task , but Im mainly interested in re-aligning the runway to the proper heading and adding the missing / incorrect taxiways . Thanks -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Internet presentation and handling[ was FlightGear presentation on the LinuxTag expo]
Although I don't waste time on the forum anymore , I like that idea of a web page competition.I might even give it a try :) That's exactly what I wanted to hear! I would suggest this to propose to the community in the FGFS-forum as well, maybe even as a small competition. I will try something the next days beside planning my holidays. Cheers HHS -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] terragear
Thanks for the tips guys. Looks like my first task though , is to find and compile some dependencies. -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777 broken Was: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/model SGPagedLOD.cxx, 1.9, 1.10 modellib.hxx, 1.10, 1.11 modellib.cxx, 1.16, 1.17 SGReaderWriterXML.cxx, 1.19, 1.20
The 777 works / worked here , but trying to update FG this morning gets me a : AILocalTraffic.cxx:1542: error: ‘class FGViewer’ has no member named ‘getPosition’ so I'll do more checking in a bit ... -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] startup.nas
I've had another error message for the last few weeks while starting FG , Nasal runtime error: nil used in numeric context at data/Nasal/startup.nas , line 12 so it looks like environment/metar/base-wind-speed-kt is still nil when read the first time ... I fixed it locally , but not sure who added it , so I'll leave it alone -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777 broken Was: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/model SGPagedLOD.cxx, 1.9, 1.10 modellib.hxx, 1.10, 1.11 modellib.cxx, 1.16, 1.17 SGReaderWriterXML.cxx, 1.19, 1.20
Hi Fred , Simgear compiled ok , but I guess I should switch to simgear-cs for scenery making ... Once I get FG to compile , I'll attempt to fix the 777 , if it has problems here. The broke is pretty recent ( 2009-6-11 18:53Z ) so if you didn't managed to compile last Simgear, you likely miss it. My problem, duplicated on a Linux box, is that the MFD stay black after Autostart, even if I can hear the engine sound and take off. -Fred -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] compile error ...
After a fresh checkout of Flighgear yeterdat , I get this error : gui_funcs.cxx: In function ‘void guiErrorMessage(const char*, const sg_throwable)’: gui_funcs.cxx:144: error: cannot convert ‘const std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ’ to ‘const char*’ for argument ‘1’ to ‘size_t strlen(const char*)’ cheers -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] compile error ...
False alarm ... running ldconfig fixed the problem On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:20 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: After a fresh checkout of Flighgear yeterdat , I get this error : gui_funcs.cxx: In function ‘void guiErrorMessage(const char*, const sg_throwable)’: gui_funcs.cxx:144: error: cannot convert ‘const std::basic_stringchar, std::char_traitschar, std::allocatorchar ’ to ‘const char*’ for argument ‘1’ to ‘size_t strlen(const char*)’ cheers -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777 broken Was: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/model SGPagedLOD.cxx, 1.9, 1.10 modellib.hxx, 1.10, 1.11 modellib.cxx, 1.16, 1.17 SGReaderWriterXML.cxx, 1.19, 1.20
Ok finally got the latest code compiled . Ive tried the 777 , the CitationX , the Bravo , and it seems that ALL my 2d style glass cockpits are broken now ... I'm not sure where to begin with this one , but it might take some time to fix. Any tips from those who broke it ? ;) Syd On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:49 AM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: Hi Fred , Simgear compiled ok , but I guess I should switch to simgear-cs for scenery making ... Once I get FG to compile , I'll attempt to fix the 777 , if it has problems here. The broke is pretty recent ( 2009-6-11 18:53Z ) so if you didn't managed to compile last Simgear, you likely miss it. My problem, duplicated on a Linux box, is that the MFD stay black after Autostart, even if I can hear the engine sound and take off. -Fred -- Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial Check out the new simplified licensing option that enables unlimited royalty-free distribution of the report engine for externally facing server and web deployment. http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] startup.nas
I've just changed line 12 to : if (getprop(/environment/metar/base-wind-speed-kt) or 0 1) return; Dont know if that's a real fix , but it prevents an error message. Syd -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 777 broken Was: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/scene/model SGPagedLOD.cxx, 1.9, 1.10 modellib.hxx, 1.10, 1.11 modellib.cxx, 1.16, 1.17 SGReaderWriterXML.cxx, 1.19, 1.20
Thanks, Mathias , was worried that I migt have a bunch of modifying to do :) Syd -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MP notes on breaking compatibility with previous versions of aircrafts....
Yes , I'm one of the culprits , and it's not a lack of foresight ,I've done it for a reason. MP is not my biggest concern , I did these aircraft for my own purposes , not entirely with gamers in mind ... but Im glad some like them all the same. These aircraft use one fuselage model now , with gear and other aircraft specific options selected depending on type or name, with cockpit and internals separated to be selected within a certain distance.So there IS no dhc2floats or dhc2wheels. It can be set so the model is visible with older versions ,by adding another animation xml file with those names and adding the neccesary ac model bits ,but in my opinion adds more garbage to the folder. I,ve been updating the dhc-2 for more realistic behavior, (sorry gamers);), so it's nearly ready for another commit, and I can add the old versions , but there's also the option of adding these to the AI/Aircraft .Any idea on which option we should take from the rest of the modellers ? (My problem with that is you end up with two aircraft to maintain, and I tend to forget about the AI version). The specific culprits today are Syd Adams (dhc2, for sure and dhc6 also, I think) and Gerard Robin (PBY-Catalina). There might have been more cases today, and I think we have a few more a/c in cvs who exhibit those symptoms :) I'm sure it was all unintentional and a simple lack of foresight on the consequences such changes might have, but there we have it. Thanks for reading, Cheers, Nic -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MP notes on breaking compatibility with previous versions of aircrafts....
I'll fix the dhc-6 , but have to go back through cvs file to remember what the original names were . Im not crazy about people putting different verions of my aircraft on the forum as it kind of makes my work pointless , but it's bound to happen. I think I prefer to do it in the aircraft model folder rather than AI , since it will be easier to remember to remove when no longer needed. Cheers On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Nicolas Quijano nquij...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for adding the model files to CVS, I was just done posting my own version of them on the forums :) I meant nothing by culprits, in case that wasn't clear, just as an example of what his us today : I'm a fan of your work on the Beaver and Twin Otter. I had completely forgotten about the Beaver model change, even though I had seen the cvs logs and wondered about it. The catalina, I didn't get around to having a fix around before today and warning people about it. Just wanted to bring this (back) to attention, as not all the userbase will dig deeper if the same aircraft with the same author doesn't work right away in MP ;) It would indeed be nice to hear what the modellers and devs have to say on how this should be tackled. Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 3:56 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: Yes , I'm one of the culprits , and it's not a lack of foresight ,I've done it for a reason. MP is not my biggest concern , I did these aircraft for my own purposes , not entirely with gamers in mind ... but Im glad some like them all the same. These aircraft use one fuselage model now , with gear and other aircraft specific options selected depending on type or name, with cockpit and internals separated to be selected within a certain distance.So there IS no dhc2floats or dhc2wheels. It can be set so the model is visible with older versions ,by adding another animation xml file with those names and adding the neccesary ac model bits ,but in my opinion adds more garbage to the folder. I,ve been updating the dhc-2 for more realistic behavior, (sorry gamers);), so it's nearly ready for another commit, and I can add the old versions , but there's also the option of adding these to the AI/Aircraft .Any idea on which option we should take from the rest of the modellers ? (My problem with that is you end up with two aircraft to maintain, and I tend to forget about the AI version). The specific culprits today are Syd Adams (dhc2, for sure and dhc6 also, I think) and Gerard Robin (PBY-Catalina). There might have been more cases today, and I think we have a few more a/c in cvs who exhibit those symptoms :) I'm sure it was all unintentional and a simple lack of foresight on the consequences such changes might have, but there we have it. Thanks for reading, Cheers, Nic -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MP notes on breaking compatibility with
No , I have no problem with MP , it's a nice break to go flying and chat ... my point was I dont build these to impress gamers or specifically for MP, there are usually aspects of that aircraft I'm interested in.I dont mind helping out to fix things if the demand is high , but at the same time , I don't think it's our job to babysit those cant be bothered with cvs, but want the latest and greatset , or have older computers , etc. My worry with fixed versions passed out somewhere else is the confusion of which version broke and who is maintaining it ... certainly not me ! And Martin is right that I think it's a temporary hack , but it should work itself out down the road. Dont mean to sound harsh , just stating my point of view . Cheers On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: Nicolas Quijano wrote: Not expecting or demanding anything, just wanted to voice a thought and to remind, as Syd proved it, that the fear of maintenance hell is just that, a fear. And Syd doesn't really care for MP :) That didn't prevent him from coming through, big time. As I understand Syd he decided that adding a hack to FlightGear's CVS Base Package is nothing more than just the lesser evil compared to having people distribute deprecated versions of his aircraft. I don't think he's enthusiastic about this hack. Just an example for many points in which I disagree with your conclusions, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up - effects
I get the same error on Linux On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: Hi Tim, Tim Moore wrote: I've checked in the initial work on my effects framework. Quite interesting operations gaining ground here. Just a little side note as I just tried to compile the current state on FreeBSD. Should OSG-2.8.1 be sufficient to build, Does anyone get the same Error message on any of the other platforms ? quickstep: 12:06:20 /usr/local/src/SimGear/simgear/scene/material make g++ -O3 -march=pentiumpro -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../simgear -I../../.. -I/opt/gnu/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/X11 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -c -o Effect.o Effect.cxx Effect.cxx: In member function 'virtual void simgear::ShaderProgramBuilder::buildAttribute(simgear::Effect*, simgear::Pass*, const SGPropertyNode*, const osgDB::ReaderWriter::Options*)': Effect.cxx:673: error: 'class osgDB::Registry' has no member named 'findDataFile' *** Error code 1 Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up - effects
Thanks.I think I will , I'm curious about these upcoming changes . On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jon Stockill li...@stockill.net wrote: syd adams wrote: I get the same error on Linux The OSG 2.9.5 dev release will solve the problem if you want to try out the changes immediately. Jon -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] dhc2 beaver mods
the dch2 guy's name is in the author section ;) I'll take a look at your modifications (mods sounds gamey ;)) and if it looks ok , I'll commit . Cheers On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I got bored today and made some new wheels for the beaver. They have more detailed tires and rims with livery, and they are animated to spin in ground roll. The uv mapping and livery modifications were done rather quickly, so I won't be offended if they get changed around. Overall though I think the wheels look pretty good... A couple other things I noticed. In the dhc2-sound.xml, mp-inhg should be replaced with mp-osi so engine sound will work in replays. The other thing was ground handling, the turn radius seemed very large for a tail dragger/bush plane. I had often had troubles getting it turned around to take off again. I saw that dst0 and dst1 for tail wheel steering are set to 0.5/-0.5, I changed to 1.0/-1.0 and feels much better to me, I can actually swing it around now. On the other hand, I have no real idea what a beaver handles like on the ground...so just thought I'd mention it. couple shots of them in flightgear http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3511/3799201057_30dbd47864_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3800020854_46ae65b609_o.jpg and zip containing the modified wheels.ac, wheels.xml and liveries - for cvs version http://www.mediafire.com/?m30udyxgxce hope the dhc2 guy reads this list, and hope I don't step on anyones toes modifying things... cheers! -- Jacob (aka Tuxklok) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] dhc2 beaver mods
P.S. I can't remember now if the tail wheel was steerable or castering , I'll look into that again On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:24 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: the dch2 guy's name is in the author section ;) I'll take a look at your modifications (mods sounds gamey ;)) and if it looks ok , I'll commit . Cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] dhc2 beaver mods
lol. No problem :).I was just bugging since I sort of know you through MP. But you did raise an interesting topic. Some time ago I was under the impression that we were phasing out mp-osi in favor of mp-inhg. I didnt realize the replay system used it. (I rarely use replay) Cheers On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I kinda worded that oddly, no offense meant syd. :) cheers! -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] dhc2 beaver mods
Looks good , Ive commited your work, but changed the wheel rotation to use my nasal tire-rpm and spin down script. Thanks for the nice work . I'll leave the mp-osi alone until I know what direction we're going with that.Might be better to change the replay code if we're going to remove that property. Cheers On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com wrote: I use replay to admire my bad landings ;) Hardly an important thing, but thought I'd point it out since it's a simple one to fix. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] dhc2 beaver mods
Yes Ive separated the instruments into a panel.xml since I want to add ap original instrument and panel layout. I.ll commit the extra files for now but is a work on progress On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com wrote: Looks good , Ive commited your work, but changed the wheel rotation to use my nasal tire-rpm and spin down script. Thanks for the nice work . Thanks syd. Your wheel spin code looks great, the spin down on take off is nice touch. Will the wheel spin work over multiplayer, or could it be made to do so without too much trouble? Would be neat. I'll leave the mp-osi alone until I know what direction we're going with that.Might be better to change the replay code if we're going to remove that property. I'll just modify my local copy to use mp-osi until it is sorted, no worries. I think the whole replay thing needs an overhaul anyway. There seems to be a missing file in cvs right now. I get `Failed to load file: Aircraft/dhc2/Models/panel1.xml', and my panel is completely empty. :D cheers! -- Jacob (aka Tuxklok) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] dhc2 beaver mods
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
I think I know what your looking for , dont know if I like the idea , but it shouldn't be too difficult. You can tint the view from the menu to darken it so the screen info displays clearer ... what about another step to blackout the background view completely? What comes to mind is a line from the tower center outward on the display that could be rotated , but centering it on a runway might be tougher. Another plan I had was to remove any true heading references , since airports deal in magnetic headings , and it just confuses issues. But there are several people tweaking it , so I thought I'd leave it alone. Im currently working on other things , but I'll see what I can do . Cheers On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Syd and Jester... How easy/difficult would it be to add a small detail to the radar scope view, which would be extended centerlines for the runways? Trying to use version 2 today, I ran into difficulty giving good localizer intercepts just trying to eyeball the extended lines, especially when zoomed out past the range where the runways were clearly visible. Also, if you are able to add this feature, I would most preferably like to see it in both version 1 and version 2 (if that's not asking too much, of course). Today I was using version 2, and while it was nice to have a full-sreen view of the live action, it made details on the scope a little illegible. We (the group of users participating in my MP event today) are hoping to make our gathering a monthly thing, so next month I can try version 1 instead and see if it's any better/easier. Thanks for your consideration. I appreciate all of the effort you guys put into this project, and all of the novelties you think to include! :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I know , Im sure you mean this as a training tool, and I'll play around with ideas , but I'd be interested in what you come with also. Cheers I'm still way below the level where I can code these things on my own, but I might be at a point now where I can compare ATC1 and ATC2 and snip out the best bits into a cobbled-together version I like. Maybe I'll mess with that over the coming weeks and see where I end up. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
Sounds like you guys know far more about the subject than I do . I'll see what I can do . The simplest idea I had was to overlay another transparent texture with a single line that could be rotated to the runway heading , but I dont know if that's suitable. Maybe a property enabled line could be added to the groundradar code extending from each runway , but that's more Jester's department :) Cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
does this mean I'm off the hook ? This one looks MUCH nicer :) cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
It's looking good so far ... I haven't tested it yet myself , but if the guidelines are a separate texture , you can have them clipped my making the instrument the same dimensions as the radar screen ... cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Will texture animation be restored for the next release?
Which texture animation ? textranslate ? texrotate ? I dont see anything broken in that regard here , and all I ever use is cvs ... You pointed to the illumination article , so I'm guessing you mean material animation ? Which has been working fine for me for quite a long time , so this post is a bit puzzling . The only thing that comes to mind is that the global no longer works , you have to name each object to be affected. That is , IF your talking about material and not texture animation . Or I might just not have a clue about what the problem is :) Cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] pilot list...
While attempting to hunt down a chat message problem , (no messages displayed from certain players), I found that the pilot list is always 1 player short , and the model view skips that player. They all appear in ai/models , but num-players is always show 1 less player. I've been sifting through the multiplay.nas , but thought I'd mention it here in case someone has already looked at the problem . cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking around while paused (FGViewMgr)
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Looking around while paused (FGViewMgr)
Ah ok , now i get it :) I always use the mouse to look around because the hat panning is too slow for me .. So the patch sounds good to me . Cheers On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: On 2 Sep 2009, at 01:10, syd adams wrote: I might be misunderstanding too , because Ive always been able to pan the view with the mouse while paused ... A good lesson in how different people use different interfaces to the same functionality, and see different things :) This patch does not affect view movement *with the mouse* at all - it works just as before. What it does (indirectly) is enable view movement with the joystick hat (coolie hat) when paused - which previously did not work. It so happens that I find moving the view with the mouse very unintuitive, and always use the joystick hat ... but clearly this is an area where people differ. Regards, James -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] pilot list error
As I mentioned before , I've been looking for the missing player in the
pilot list and model view.
If I comment out the 2 lines below foreach , in multiplayer.nas at line
374 ...
foreach (var n; props.globals.getNode(ai/models,
1).getChildren(multiplayer)) {
#if (!n.getNode(valid, 1).getValue())
# continue;
... I then get the correct num-players in /ai/models, and I can now step
through ALL the players in model view ,
and they all appear in the pilot list.
I don't consider this a fix since I dont know why the above lines would
cause a problem,but it's a start.
Cheers
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pilot list error
Thanks for looking into it.Torsten , just got home from a soggy camping trip
, so I can
dry out and test your changes :)
cheers
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote:
As I mentioned before , I've been looking for the missing player in the
pilot list and model view.
If I comment out the 2 lines below foreach , in multiplayer.nas at
line
374 ...
foreach (var n; props.globals.getNode(ai/models,
1).getChildren(multiplayer)) {
#if (!n.getNode(valid, 1).getValue())
# continue;
... I then get the correct num-players in /ai/models, and I can now
step
through ALL the players in model view ,
and they all appear in the pilot list.
I don't consider this a fix since I dont know why the above lines would
cause a problem,but it's a start.
Cheers
Looks like this is a chicken-egg problem:
The chicken:
The model class in multiplayer.nas listens on the
property /ai/models/model-added and checks for all models the
property valid to be true.
The egg:
When AIManager attaches a model, it first loads the model by calling
model-init();
FGAIBase::init() calls FGAIBase::load3DModel() which calls
FGAIBase::initModel() which sets property /ai/models/model-added. (This
triggers the chicken, but valid is not yet set to true)
_AFTER_ model-init() in AIManager::atach() is finished, the property
valid
in the /ai/models/multiplayer[n] is set to true.
This causes new latest addition to the multiplayer list to be ignored.
I think the behaviour of FGAIBase and AIManager is correct to set the
valid
property to true after the initialization is complete.
I also think that the check for valid in the model class in
multiplayer.nas
is required to stay there.
I have just commited a patch for multiplayer.nas that ignores the valid
flag
for the latest pilot that has joined.
Please check if this solves the problem.
Torsten
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[Flightgear-devel] navradio
Hello. Unless Im doing something wrong , I'm now getting these errors trying to compile FG... navradio.cxx: In member function ‘virtual void FGNavRadio::update(double)’: navradio.cxx:362: error: ‘struct SGVec3d’ has no member named ‘sg’ navradio.cxx:362: error: ‘struct SGVec3d’ has no member named ‘sg’ navradio.cxx:363: error: ‘struct SGVec3d’ has no member named ‘sg’ make[3]: *** [navradio.o] Error 1 Ive tried compiling SG and FG starting from ./autogen.sh onward , but no luck. I'll try deleting the source for both and do a fresh checkout , but thought I'd mention the problem just in case. cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] pilot list error
After the first test I'm getting ... Nasal runtime error: nil used in numeric context at /home/syd/FGFS/data/Nasal/multiplayer.nas, line 275 which of coarse causes the pilot list to not appear. Will continue testing . -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] pilot list error
Changing line 275 in multiplayer.nas to distance-to-km: distance / 1000.0 or 0, appears to get things running again. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] pilot list error
Last test shows correct amount of players , pilot list good , model view good , but now apparently when someone leaves and valid becomes false , they remain on the pilot list / model view for a short time , though no 3d model is visible in the model view. But I need sleep , have to look at it tomorrow. Cheers On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:44 PM, syd adams adams@gmail.com wrote: Changing line 275 in multiplayer.nas to distance-to-km: distance / 1000.0 or 0, appears to get things running again. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio
After many tries , deleting navradio , doing make clean , make distclean,I finally had to delete the FG and SG source and do a new checkout . Now everything compiles fine . Another reason I'd love to see CVS gone :) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Solid MP Models
Just tried at KSFO , hadn't noticed it before ... http://imagebin.org/62739 http://imagebin.org/62740 It would be nice to keep this , if startup wasnt a problem :) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] New Joystick Definition, modification of Cessna Citation-X, remark about js_demo.exe and fgjs.exe
Hello , Mike, I removed the autostart from that one on purpose, I take it everyone wants it back ? -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_measuring_equipment I know , it's wikipedia , but it gives a short explanation of the VOR -DME pairing ... On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:01 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: On 8 Sep 2009, at 20:01, Torsten Dreyer wrote: There ara a lot NDB-DME in /data/Navaids/nav.dat ... 2 -42.72933900 170.95621900146 310 1000.0 HK HOKITIKA NDB-DME ... http://wikimapia.org/9701833/Hokitika-NDB-DME No doubt about this. But I don't know of any NDB receiver (which is also known as ADF) that automatically tunes the DME frequency. Most modern receiver for VOR do this, like the KX165, but that is due to a link between the DME-receiver and the NAV-receiver. As far as i know, you have to tune the DME part of your NDB-DME manually and the cited line of nav.dat is unusable for the DME part, because the DME channel is missing. There's also this entry: 13 -42.72933900 170.95621900146 11750 1000.0 HK HOKITIKA NDB-DME which is the DME part of the NDB-DME. As Torsten notes, none of the receivers in FG at present do pairing of NDB-DME frequencies, and I have no idea if any real world equipment can do this - or if there's even a defined pairing scheme. You can happily tune your ADF to 310KHz, and a DME receiver to 117.5MHz, and either/both should work, but there's no link between the two other than their geographical co-location. Again, if anyone with more knowledge of such facilities wants to comment, please do. James -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] navradio
Sorry , I was not reading closely enough ... On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.netwrote: syd adams wrote: I know , it's wikipedia , but it gives a short explanation of the VOR -DME pairing ... I think the pairing of a DME with a VOR is unchallenged. People (including me) are doubtful about the pairing of a DME with an NDB, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
