[gentoo-user] RulesDuJour : couldn't connect to host
Hi ! Since two days, rules_du_jour script cannot connect to www.rulesemporium.com as the attached log message show. Does anyone know why ? My network config is up because I can acces to other hosts on my network and on the internet, but not at www.rulesemporium.com. Does anyone has this problem too ? Any help appreciated ! -- http://www.linuxant.fr The following rules had errors: TripWire had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 EvilNumber had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 EvilNumbers1 had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 EvilNumbers2 had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 Tim Jackson's (et al) bogus virus warnings had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Adult Content Ruleset had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Fraud Detection Ruleset (for SA ver. 2.5x and greater) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE BIZ/Marketing/Learning Ruleset (for SA ver. 2.5x and greater) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Spoof Ruleset had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE 70_sare_bayes_poison_nxm.cf Ruleset had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE OEM Ruleset had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Random Ruleset for SpamAssassin 2.5x and higher had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE HEADER Ruleset (set 0 -- hits mostly spam) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE HEADER Ruleset (hits occasional ham) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE HEADER Ruleset (for english language only) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE html Ruleset (set 1 -- hits occasional ham) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE html Ruleset (set 0 -- hits mostly spam) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE html Ruleset for english language only had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Specific Ruleset had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Obfuscation catching Ruleset (set 0 -- hits mostly spam) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Obfuscation catching Ruleset (set 1 -- hits occasional ham) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Obfuscation catching Ruleset (set 2 -- future) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Abused Redirect Subject Ruleset for SpamAssassin (post3.0.0) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE General Subject Ruleset (set 0 -- hits mostly spam) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE General Subject Ruleset (set 1 -- hits occasional ham) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE General Subject Header Ruleset (for english language only) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE High Risk Ruleset had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Unsubscribe phrases Ruleset had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE URI Ruleset (set 0 -- hits mostly spam) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE URI Ruleset (set 1 -- occasinally hits ham) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE URI Ruleset (for english language only) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Whitelist Ruleset (for SA 3.00 and up) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Whitelist Ruleset (for SA 3.10 and up with network tests) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Whitelist Ruleset (for SA 3.10 and up with SPF enabled) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 Catch German language spam. Maintained by Michael Monnerie had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 SARE Stocks Ruleset) had an unknown error: curl exit code: 7 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host 000 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] RulesDuJour : couldn't connect to host
Xavier Parizet [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since two days, rules_du_jour script cannot connect to www.rulesemporium.com as the attached log message show. Does anyone know why ? My network config is up because I can acces to other hosts on my network and on the internet, but not at www.rulesemporium.com. Does anyone has this problem too ? On the Spamassassin mailing lists, they are telling people that there is/has been some form of attack and not to use rulesemporium at the moment. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] equery d problem
On Friday 08 June 2007 05:10:31 Shaochun Wang wrote: In my system, executing equery d package produces the following message !!! A file listed in the Manifest could not be found: /usr/portage/x11-plugins/noscript/noscript-1.1.4.8.070523.ebuild Any help? So when did you last sync ? -- Bo Andresen signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] USB serial adapter not working
Hello, i own a USB docking station which also contains a serial connector. The host will do USB 2.0 (kernel module ehci-hcd) and detects the PL2303 serial port properly. It loads the appropiate kernel module, but at the end it fails somehow with the following message: cut pl2303 ttyUSB0: pl2303_open - failed submitting interrupt urb, error -28 cut As result the device /dev/ttyUSB0 is allocated by udev, but not working. After some tests i got a work around. I have to unload the kernel module ehci-hcd. Due uhci-hcd remains loaded the device works in USB 1.1 mode. Here the serial port works properly. Is there a fix the keep me from unloading the kernel module every time i want to use the serial port ? For example by directing the system to always bind the serial port to uhci-hcd (USB 1.1). Or better by a fix for ehci-hcd/pl2303 kernel. My system is Gentoo 2007.0, i386 and x86_64. lsusb tells (limited to the docking station): cut Bus 005 Device 009: ID 067b: Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2301 USB-USB Bridge Bus 005 Device 006: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port Bus 005 Device 008: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port Bus 005 Device 007: ID 0d3d:0001 Tangtop Technology Co., Ltd Bus 005 Device 005: ID 05e3:0604 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB 1.1 Hub Bus 005 Device 004: ID 1631:6200 Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0409:0058 NEC Corp. HighSpeed Hub cut regards Petric -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really. If you think there's a problem, explain it. You get attacked? Insist. Prove them they are wrong. Just curious: Did you ever try this with Jakub? Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
Alexander Skwar ha scritto: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really. If you think there's a problem, explain it. You get attacked? Insist. Prove them they are wrong. Just curious: Did you ever try this with Jakub? Don't think so. I understand from this thread he's a tough guy, but if logic and other people support show you're right, is there little he can be but agree (or behave as a complete jerk and ignore facts, his choice - but it is not an excuse for not trying). m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I tell you a secret: even with all its quirks and defects, Gentoo
has one of the more friendly and helpful communities in the OSS world.
Try have a look at the Debian, OpenBSD or Slackware forums/ml/IRC
channels, and you'll understand.
I concur, not only does gentoo have one of the nicer communities, it
also has more informed people. ( probably releated to it being a
generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
Many a time you'll find in non gentoo help rooms that everyones just
as lost as you are when you have a /real/ problem, and when you have a
/real/ problem you'll end up fixing it yourself after helping 50 other
people fix theirs.
Many a time Has it been I've googled for an answer to a problem and
the answer has been found amongst gentoos troves of data, in either
wiki, or forum, despite the fact that the problem i encoutered may
have occured on a non-gentoo box, and i did not enter 'gentoo'
anywhere in the search string.
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[gentoo-user] custom-kernels overlay vanished?
Hi! Since some weeks I'm an enthusiastic user of viper-sources. Pulling them in via the custom-kernels was a very convenient way of getting them. But since two or three days I cannot sync it anymore and as I see now it has completly from laymans overlay list. :( I searched in the forums (and via well known search engines) but didn't find anything useful. Does anybody know what happened to this overlay? Thanks for any pointers. Roman pgp82fNQ0tw8Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] cvs server config error
Hi, I'm trying to configure a cvs server following: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_CVS_Server All config when fine but now, with teh server up and running, I get this error when I do login: lx-arnau lib # CVSROOT=:pserver:user:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/myrepos; export CVSROOT lx-arnau lib # cvs login Logging in to :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:2401/myrepos cvs [login aborted]: unrecognized auth response from localhost: cvs: unrecognized option `--allow-root=/myrepos' looking for this errror in google I got : http://gentoo-wiki.com/Talk:HOWTO_CVS_Server which says that I must enable server use flag to prevent this error, but this flag does not exist for cvs (http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/use-index.xml) For what I've read I should configure inetd/xinetd to prevent this error, but I'm not configuring cvs trough inet/xinet ... (I suppose that server use flag meant no inetd will be used)... (from year 2003 http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-55659-highlight-cvs.html cvs with inetd) My conf: lx-arnau cvsd # grep -v ^# /etc/cvsd/cvsd.conf|grep . RootJail /var/lib/cvsd Uid cvsd Gid cvsd Nice 1 Umask 027 Limit coredumpsize 0 PidFile /var/run/cvsd.pid MaxConnections 0 Log syslog info Log /var/log/cvsd/cvsd.log debug Repos /myrepos my user in /var/lib/cvsd/myrepos/CVSROOT/readers and writers # grep -v ^# /var/lib/cvsd/myrepos/CVSROOT/config|grep . SystemAuth=no PamAuth=no LockDir=/var/lock/cvs UseNewInfoFmtStrings=yes some server logs: cvsd: version 1.0.7 starting cvsd: debug: binding 0.0.0.0 2401 family=2 socktype=1 protocol=6 cvsd: listening on 0.0.0.0 2401 cvsd: debug: binding :: 2401 family=10 socktype=1 protocol=6 cvsd: debug: socket() failed (ignored): Address family not supported by protocol cvsd: debug: chroot(/var/lib/cvsd) done cvsd: debug: nice(1) done cvsd: debug: setgroups(0,NULL) done cvsd: debug: setgid(1005) done cvsd: debug: setuid(105) done cvsd: debug: cvs command to execute: '/bin/cvs -f --allow-root=/myrepos pserver' cvsd: accepting connections cvsd: connection from 127.0.0.1 57215 cvsd: debug: limit coredumpsize to 0(soft) and 0(hard) cvsd: debug: fork() succeeded (child pid=1839) cvsd: debug: select() failed (ignored): Interrupted system call cvsd: cvs command exited with exit-status 1 cvsd: debug: select() failed (ignored): Interrupted system call anyone could help to find source of problem? TIA, -- Arnau Bria http://blog.emergetux.net Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] xsane and sane compile error
On Thursday 07 June 2007, Dale wrote: OK, update. I did a emerge sane-backends and then it has some config files that needed updating and I did that. After that, the updates ran fine. Maybe it just had to much to drink and got confused for a bit. I did check the version above before I did the re-emerge though. So it had a good version but just didn't seem to know it yet. Thanks for the help. As a colleague once said: It's software. You didn't really expect it to work, did you? :-) Glad to have been able to help out -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: custom-kernels overlay vanished?
Here you can see that it is still in layman-global: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/overlays/layman-global.txt?rev=1.138view=log I suggest you to contact the overlays maintainer: contact = rmh3093 -et- gmail.com He should be able to tell you why the svn is down. -Stefan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] startup woes with sshd, rsyncd, nfs, portmap
...and revdep-rebuild, although if libs were broken you should get some errors in your logs. HTH. -- Regards, Mick -- Regards, Mick -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really. If you think there's a problem, explain it. You get attacked? Insist. Prove them they are wrong. Just curious: Did you ever try this with Jakub? I did. And after some arguments a different dev came in and recognized the bug as a real bug... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?
* Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, These are packages totally incompatible and so different packages under the same name. They're sometimes necessary, since certain projects still require very old version, even if upgrade wouldn't be such a problem and has already been done by contributors (ie. mozilla). Well, they still are different versions under the same packages from the same projects. Evolutionarily yes, technically no ;-P They're in fact very diffrent, but provide an very similar (almost the same) functionality. The problem is: upstream claims that newer evolutions steps were newer versions, Gentoo takes it as it is and runs into trouble, the attempt to fix this is slotting. If we simply would consider them as different packages, the whole story would be trivial. We just have to decide at which point a split has to be done. The whole complexity of slotting and the still unsolved problems (ie. cleaning up) could be dropped and dependency handling would be easy. For example gtk: First there was gtk-1.x. Later came gtk-2.x. They never were compatible (except maybe early alpha state ;-)). They always have been different packages, very similar, but different. So if gtk-2.x would simply be called gtk2, the whole idea of slotting wouldn't be necessary here. There are packages depending on gtk and others depending on gtk2. Trivial. Same with autoconf. The numbering is not that easy here, since major breaks sometimes happen with minor version changes. So we just have to look a bit more cafully. But still much simpler as adjusting all these versioned dependencies which are necessary with slotting. Maybe it would be different if the slot number would be essential part of the package atom. But I'm not sure if it's really necessary to have such an additional complexity if there is an clear scheme for putting those evolution levels into the package name. Gentoo always tries to stay as near as possible to the upstream. Thats okay, if we're talking about patches. But taking those crappy versionings from the upstream IMHO produces unnecessary trouble Gentoo has an strange magic for handling that, called Slots. They deeply break the linear version space. This makes handling very tricky and requires much additional complexity. Some of the other replies should make clear some prolems ... I have no idea what breaking 'the linear version space' means. Let's try some little (some bit mathematic) definition: Version numbers are living within an scalar 1-dimensional space, ie. like rational numbers, but with holes. (ups, it's not really linear if we have holes ;-o). But all numbers are comparable with ,,= operations. We normally represent them as n-vectors, ie. in form of 1.2.3.4 but in fact the right side dimensions are intervals in the left side ones. Assuming the digits may take 0..9, we could define the scalar value of A.B.C.D as A*1000+B*100+C*10+D ... (My Briegel buildsystem, which is a little bit like portage, but for embedded/crosscompiling, uses this model as well as the Comprehensive Source Database ;P) The Idea of this linear version space is that we can compare each version with another one very easy. Additionally use the axiom that higher versions are always successors of lower ones and backwards compatible. In this situation the whole package management story is really easy. Things like slots are not necessary. If we also take in binary compatibility, revdev-rebuild is also not needed. Evrything is strictly defined in the dependency graph. And I don't see how having automake in 7 different packages instead of seven slots under the same package makes it any less complex. It WILL make it easier. The whole slot handling could be dropped off (makes the code much easier) and the problems with slots simply would not exist. How is having a depend on =sys-devel/automake-1.4* or sys-devel/automake:1.4 any more complex than a depend on a separate packages named sys-devel/automake-1.4 ? What if now comes an 1.4.99 which is totally incompatible with the other 1.4.* ? What do you do now ? Drop that 1.4.99 ? Give it another version, ie. some 1.5.* ? Touch all depending patches to exclude 1.4.99 ? There are actuallly packages in the tree that don't care which version of automake is in use (at least according to there ebuilds). Now they just depend on sys-devel/automake. With your brilliant solution they would have to depend on || ( sys-devel/automake-1.4 sys-devel/automake-1.5 ... ). Simply add an virtual for that ? BTW: (beside rare cases), ebuilds normally sould have no variants in their dependencies - this should be left to the virtuals, IMHO. No idea, why the responsible Gentoo-devs didn't just give those incompatible packages different names, especially on their own packages. AFAIK, java-config is made by Gentoo. It would be trivial, just to call the 2.x version something like java-config-2 ... perhaps too
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: custom-kernels overlay vanished?
Am Freitag 08 Juni 2007 12:30 schrieb Stefan Schweizer: Here you can see that it is still in layman-global: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/overlays/lay man-global.txt?rev=1.138view=log I suggest you to contact the overlays maintainer: contact = rmh3093 -et- gmail.com He should be able to tell you why the svn is down. -Stefan Sorry for the noise. It seems that I wasn't up to date about layman anymore. 'layman -L' does not list it - 'layman -Lk' does. thanks for your help. Roman pgpxl2MpOVIIs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
* Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Imo, provide as much information as possible, describe all paths of logic, dont assume bugwranglers are psychic. Verbosity can be your friend. I understand that often there's more information need. But isn't this exactly what the NEEDINFO status is for ? If, for example, my mozilla-launcher bug would have been marked as NEEDINFO, it would have been totally clear that I just have to tell a little bit more about my problem. But this wasn't the case. The bug was simply marked as invalid. So the message is: not an Gentoo problem - your fault. I have the strange feeling, certain wranglers see b.g.o as an helpdesk system, not an place for reporting and discussing about problems. I'm still at a loss why theres any need for symlinks to the coda FS when you could just tell firefox to build a profile /directly/ on that coda-fs. a) The profile *is* on Coda. Problem #1: Coda's permission handling is different than in traditional Unix. ls -la may not show not that username/uid the mozilla-launcher scripts expects to see. Looking on owner-uid and mode simply isn't an reliable source on ACLs. This is not really Coda specific. b) I'm using the symlinks to get temporary data out of the Coda, back to the local disk. Simply for reducnig traffic + latencies. Also not Coda specific, but generally for network filesystems. Of course it would be easier, if FF simply wouldn't store temporary stuff within the profile, but where it belongs ($TMP). But symlinks for good for all Mozilla apps. If you can't on your own convince a dev to change a bugs status, find other people with similar problems to increase the validity of your claim. I won't more time on that issue. It's fixed for me. BTW: if the devs would come to the conclusion that they don't have and good solution or don't feed the need to fix it in reasonable time, why isn't the bug status LATER or WONTFIX ? snip Just look in -dev for your daily dose of flame war/soap opera. ( if your going to have a 100+ message flamewar that started from somebody complaining and missunderstanding an 'inside' joke, it looks kinda evident that some devs love arguing for the sake of it... so with that in mind, play safe, be nice :) ) Well, I'm involved in many projects, subscribed in uncountable maillists. I never ever seen such an high flamewar level as @g.o. And I can't remember on any personal attacks nor arguments like doing sth some way just to be different. In favour of what Enrico did, although for all the world it seems like he fought a bit and went against advice, he found a problem, and provided the means for a solution, and placed it in bugzilla. Despite it being marked invalid, that bug will remain in there for the rest of the natural life of bugzilla, and if anyone else out there /does/ have the misfortune of having the same problem later, they'll find it Since I learned what's going on @bgo, that's the only reason why I post there. Just for the records, so other people can find it there. I'd never ever expect the devs to take up any bit. My idealism from the first days is all lost. Obviously none of my help is ever wanted, so I go my own way and leave them alone. I continue maintaining my own overlay and regularily announcing it via press releases, etc. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Touch screen
Timo Boettcher wrote this: * Rodrigo Forlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me a touch screen monitor that works under console? I bought a Touchscreen from some car-tuning guy on ebay. The touchscreen is detected as an eGalax compatible unit and works using the usbtouchscreen-module of the linux-kernel (using 2.6.19-gentoo-?). Works as in the cursor moves when I touch it. I had to patch the kernel to add some sysfs-entries to be able to calibrate it without X. I sent the patch to the maintainer some days ago, who has not repiled yet. If anybody is interested in the patch, please ask. I develop programs under console using framebuffer so i need also a nice api to make my programs work with touchscreen. I use pygame with the fbcon SDL-Driver, that works without any problems. Some rough project overview and screenshots can be found at http://www.spida.net/projects/pympdtouchgui/, code will follow. HTH, if you want more details, feel free to ask. Timo Thanks Timo, but I receveid an e-mail from hampshire with a new driver and this one works. It seems that it is a good product, and they trying to support linux. I'll work a little harder with this one and if this does not succeed i'll ask your help. Thanks again, Rodrigo Forlin begin:vcard fn:Rodrigo Forlin n:Forlin;Rodrigo email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:+551194952922 note;quoted-printable:Linux registered user # 226673=0D=0A= http://counter.li.org/ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?
On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What flexibility do I take away exactly ?
And what exactly gets harder ?
Automated building of dependant packages
Gentoo has a collection of magic script that do make this nice for us.
ie ( last I looked anyway ) java-config and autoconf were not binarys,
but scripts which pointed to the correct binary given the right
environment variables.
This makes the building of other packages that were invented upstream
without predicting changes in autoconf easier to maintain, instead of
having to send out a new patch every time upstream releases a
non-compatible-with-new-autoconfs version /just/ to make it work, we
just set WANT_AUTOCONF=1.4 in the environment and the appropriate
autoconf gets run, which seeems a fairly reasonable thing to do. (
otherwise the concept we have today known as a version bump would be a
whole deal harder more often)
I remeber the days of Java1.4 - Java1.5 migration headaches before
they slotted it and created java-confing system to get around it, boy
did it take its sweet ass time getting there ( cos there were at least
100 apps which needed 1.4 instead of 1.5, and if you compiled one of
those with 1.5 instead of 1.4, which the ebuild never expected to have
happen, due to being authored before 1.5's release , ... the entire
heirachy would break, and you'd give up and simply remove _ALL_ of
java just to keep sane, but thats not gentoos fault exactly, blame a
multitude of upstream javaheads for that )
As for gtk2-0.1 vs gtk-2.0.1, the latter is clearly a more logical
version number.
gtk2.0.1 is invalid (no - to separate version from subversion ), and
on top of that
if it was called gtk2 instead of gtk-2, it would need a separate
folder, and a completely different set of configs,
it was bad enough when php4 php5 were different applications. Im so
glad they slotted that. Its just annoying still that due to the
massive magnitude of apps for php4/5 that they have to have a separate
_TOP_LEVEL_ dir for them all.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Touch screen
Hi, Have you got calibration software running under X or is it working only in console mode ? Best Regards steph Rodrigo Forlin a écrit : Timo Boettcher wrote this: * Rodrigo Forlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me a touch screen monitor that works under console? I bought a Touchscreen from some car-tuning guy on ebay. The touchscreen is detected as an eGalax compatible unit and works using the usbtouchscreen-module of the linux-kernel (using 2.6.19-gentoo-?). Works as in the cursor moves when I touch it. I had to patch the kernel to add some sysfs-entries to be able to calibrate it without X. I sent the patch to the maintainer some days ago, who has not repiled yet. If anybody is interested in the patch, please ask. I develop programs under console using framebuffer so i need also a nice api to make my programs work with touchscreen. I use pygame with the fbcon SDL-Driver, that works without any problems. Some rough project overview and screenshots can be found at http://www.spida.net/projects/pympdtouchgui/, code will follow. HTH, if you want more details, feel free to ask. Timo Thanks Timo, but I receveid an e-mail from hampshire with a new driver and this one works. It seems that it is a good product, and they trying to support linux. I'll work a little harder with this one and if this does not succeed i'll ask your help. Thanks again, Rodrigo Forlin -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?
On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What flexibility do I take away exactly ? And what exactly gets harder ? Automated building of dependant packages More precisely ? AFAICS it would be much easier w/o slots. I already mentioned Briegel. Here I'm strictly doing as described. This works great. The only reason for using Gentoo is that it has much, much more manpower than me alone. For most common systems Gentoo is quite good, for embedded targets (where I've got relatively few packages) I'm using Briegel. Gentoo has a collection of magic script that do make this nice for us. Which ones for example ? / What exactly do they do ? Would that magic be necessary with my approach ? ie ( last I looked anyway ) java-config and autoconf were not binarys, but scripts which pointed to the correct binary given the right environment variables. This makes the building of other packages that were invented upstream without predicting changes in autoconf easier to maintain, instead of having to send out a new patch every time upstream releases a non-compatible-with-new-autoconfs version /just/ to make it work, we just set WANT_AUTOCONF=1.4 in the environment and the appropriate autoconf gets run, which seeems a fairly reasonable thing to do. ( otherwise the concept we have today known as a version bump would be a whole deal harder more often) Yeah. Wrapper scripts. I also have such things @ Briegel. Please explain why this is an reasonable argument in the question whether or whether not to do slotting ? I remeber the days of Java1.4 - Java1.5 migration headaches before they slotted it and created java-confing system to get around it, Would it make a difference if sun-java-1.5 would have got it's own package name (distinct from -1.4) ? AFAIK -1.4 and -1.5 are really incompatible, almost as much as gtk-1.x vs. gtk-2.x. So why not treating them as different packages ? As for gtk2-0.1 vs gtk-2.0.1, the latter is clearly a more logical version number. Why not gtk2-2.0.1 ? if it was called gtk2 instead of gtk-2, it would need a separate folder, and a completely different set of configs, Yes, of course - it's an different package. it was bad enough when php4 php5 were different applications. Why ? php4 and php5 are very incompatible, almost as much as it had been with php3. This already had been clear when php5 was at alpha. I never ever expected them to be the same package. Of course evrything would be much clearer if there was an big consensous on naming the scripts with *.php4 and *.php3 as it had been done in history w/ php3. But this really has nothing to do with slotting vs. separate packages. Ah, but you see, in half the cases there is not a /complete/ incompatibility. PHP4-5 migration is not an entirely big switch, the biggest problem IIRC in the 4-5 change is the way it handles classes, and a lot of code 'simply works' on both. I currently develop in 5 and then serve on 4, and even that has minimal errors in translation, so its not all /that/ bad. Same with java 1.4- 1.5, in most cases, the code the 'user' would be running needs minimal fixes, its just the bigger packages that cause the problems. ( I cant say if i know this is the case with GTK tho .. never been much of my feild of expertiese ) So we have a scenario where we have a mingling of styles for diferent user targets, we have slotting to keep the builds happy with unique versions, but we still have a migration path for users. Maybe to you that seems illogical, but to me, its handy and convenient. In the case of autoconf, im personally glad it all hides under one non-linear space-time-continumum on my harddrive ;) . The thought of them all being in seperate ebuild names would drive me nutty ( folder with 10 different package names for the same thing = wtf? ) The argument of 'cleaning' was a problem for a little while, but im glad the kernel uses slotting, for the reason I dont want to have a seperate ebuild for different kernels, i dont want old kernel sources to be taken away when the new one turns up, and when i want to get rid of old kernels, i want to be able to do a nice and simple emerge -C =some-version to get rid of them when im done with them. The same occurs in many of the web-applications, where multiple versions are handy, but multiple ebuild names would cause headaches. the only way to get around all these nasties would be to have a 3 part package name imo, such as dev-libs/gtk/2/2.0.1.ebuild dev-libs/gtk/1/1.0.1.ebuild for instance , and when you look at it like that, it is in essence identical to 'slots', except a 'slot' is governed by a string in the actual file, instead of a string in the filename. Maybe slots are over abused in some cases, but there are IMO many uses for them which I'm thankful for, and in some cases where I wish packages had slotting on them. Mysql for instance
Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?
* Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What flexibility do I take away exactly ? And what exactly gets harder ? Automated building of dependant packages More precisely ? AFAICS it would be much easier w/o slots. I already mentioned Briegel. Here I'm strictly doing as described. This works great. The only reason for using Gentoo is that it has much, much more manpower than me alone. For most common systems Gentoo is quite good, for embedded targets (where I've got relatively few packages) I'm using Briegel. Gentoo has a collection of magic script that do make this nice for us. Which ones for example ? / What exactly do they do ? Would that magic be necessary with my approach ? ie ( last I looked anyway ) java-config and autoconf were not binarys, but scripts which pointed to the correct binary given the right environment variables. This makes the building of other packages that were invented upstream without predicting changes in autoconf easier to maintain, instead of having to send out a new patch every time upstream releases a non-compatible-with-new-autoconfs version /just/ to make it work, we just set WANT_AUTOCONF=1.4 in the environment and the appropriate autoconf gets run, which seeems a fairly reasonable thing to do. ( otherwise the concept we have today known as a version bump would be a whole deal harder more often) Yeah. Wrapper scripts. I also have such things @ Briegel. Please explain why this is an reasonable argument in the question whether or whether not to do slotting ? I remeber the days of Java1.4 - Java1.5 migration headaches before they slotted it and created java-confing system to get around it, Would it make a difference if sun-java-1.5 would have got it's own package name (distinct from -1.4) ? AFAIK -1.4 and -1.5 are really incompatible, almost as much as gtk-1.x vs. gtk-2.x. So why not treating them as different packages ? As for gtk2-0.1 vs gtk-2.0.1, the latter is clearly a more logical version number. Why not gtk2-2.0.1 ? if it was called gtk2 instead of gtk-2, it would need a separate folder, and a completely different set of configs, Yes, of course - it's an different package. it was bad enough when php4 php5 were different applications. Why ? php4 and php5 are very incompatible, almost as much as it had been with php3. This already had been clear when php5 was at alpha. I never ever expected them to be the same package. Of course evrything would be much clearer if there was an big consensous on naming the scripts with *.php4 and *.php3 as it had been done in history w/ php3. But this really has nothing to do with slotting vs. separate packages. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
* b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, No, I'm not the one who teaches anyody. I go my way, if you like it, feel free to follow me, if you don't like it, go you own but leave me alone. So don't expect anyone to like you, if you don't teach anyone what do you think and...-- hmmpf, you probably misunderstood :( Teaching somebody (IMHO) is too much about being right and intelligent the one to be teached being wrong and unintelligent. It's about pulling your oppinion into someone else. I don't like that (although I still do it too much ;-o). I'd prefer telling people what I (personally) believe it's good/right and give them the chance to either take or leave it. Both decisions will have their consequences, but nobody can tell which one is objectively better - evryhing's subjective. Okay, this is really getting in philophical topics liek god vs. satan ;-o (-- getting too offtopic ?) I've shown several problems and concepts, but I was immediately attacked. So the message is clear: I'm unwelcomed. -- you don't defend it seriously. I don't feel to defend anything against anyone. At least not in such technically debates. I've got my arguments and solutions. Feel free to either follow them or leave them alone. You also can put your own against, and so we can discuss. Really. If you think there's a problem, explain it. In case of the mozilla-launcher bug, I did explain it. And I found an quick and dirty solution for me. Not a clean one, but it's a start. We had several better ideas in this thread, which should be discussed. But as long as the bug is marked invalid, I have to assume that debate is unwelcomed and so won't invest much more resouces in that. You get attacked? Insist. Prove them they are wrong. Do your best, politely but firmly. Well, of course we're all conditioned on defending if we're attacked, probably generic. But I really don't see I anytings to gain here than maybe my honour in such an unimportant place like bgo. Accept the fact you are discussing -people maybe attack you simply because they don't understand at first time and, guess what, this could be also your fault, not only them. Maybe it's my fault if some people doesn't understand my bug reports. But it's their fault if they declare my reports as invalid w/o asking back, ranting against me, try to convince me to go away, etc I had to learn that bgo is clearly not the place for an open and cooperative working on problems, if you're not an Gentoo cleric. So I've got my conclusions and work alone. Maybe some people come around and say, against Gentoo, but that's not true - just beyond Gentoo. (If they really believe in that, well I'll leave them with that - I'm not the one who wants to have anything to do with such religious stuff) I don't see any reason for wasting more time on those folks. That's the reason why I usually don't post on -dev anymore. I still post on -users for those people who still might be interested. If that's your attitude, you can even unsubscribe users, and leave us alone. The users list ist neither the devs list (where I also dont waste my time anymore), nor bgo. Maybe here still are some people who're interested in my contribution. But if a large majority tells me to stop and go away, I'll do so. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] xen-sources compilation error: net/ipv4/netfilter
Hi all, I recently emerged xen-sources and launched a dom0 kernel compilation. Compil' gave up on : net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.c: In function 'send_reset': net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.c:162: error: 'struct skb_shared_info' has no member named 'tso_size' net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.c:163: error: 'struct skb_shared_info' has no member named 'tso_segs' make[3]: *** [net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [net/ipv4/netfilter] Error 2 make[1]: *** [net/ipv4] Error 2 make: *** [net] Error 2 I tried to search on https://bugzilla.netfilter.org/bugzilla/index.cgi but the search feature was down. Google gave me other errors, but this wrong struct usage. Any idea to put me on the right way ? Many thanks for your support, Gal' -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?
On 6/9/07, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/9/07, Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the case of autoconf, im personally glad it all hides under one
non-linear space-time-continumum on my harddrive ;) . The thought of
them all being in seperate ebuild names would drive me nutty ( folder
with 10 different package names for the same thing = wtf? )
Just replying to myself here.
] sys-devel/automake
Available versions:
(1.4) 1.4_p6
(1.5) 1.5
(1.6) 1.6.3
(1.7) 1.7.9-r1
(1.8) 1.8.5-r3
(1.9) 1.9.6-r2
(1.10) 1.10
screw making a seperate package for each of those.
Screw being the poor bastard who parsed the package names from the
ebuild titles to make it work :S
Oh yeah, bags not doing linux-gazette or app-doc/phrack
Some of us have lives to get on with :P
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[gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? -- best regards, Aleksey V. Kunitskiy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Plextor SATA DVD RW not working
Willie Wong wwong at Princeton.EDU writes: The source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (/dev/dvd) Hello Willie, Sorry for the delay, working for a living often gets in the way managing my gentoo systems.. what does 'ls -l /dev/dvd' show? ls: cannot access /dev/dvd: No such file or directory can your user read /dev/dvd? NO -- permissions? -- is the device really /dev/dvd? In /dev/ I see these only: cdrom cdrom1 there is an older cd also in the machine cdrw1 grepping dmeg I see: hdb: CD-ROM TW 120D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive scsi 2:0:0:0: CD-ROMPLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A 1.04 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 Obviously, I do not have the SATA drive set up correctly. I'm not sure where udev ends and what I have to do with custom rules or other configs to set up this drive under 2.6.20-gentoo-r8. Looking in the kernel everything that looks like what I need for SATA is there, but, I'm inexperienced with setting up SATA based drives and peripherals I do vaguely remember something about SATA/SCSI devices changes, bur, really, I've never had this dvd reading or writing working on this drive, since it was set up on the amd64 last January. ideas? James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? nope. cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that the ctime/mtime making uninstalling things a pain? When I moved around on harddisks some years ago, I followed some instructions found on the suse-hp. And they used tar. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? nope. cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that the ctime/mtime making uninstalling things a pain? No. cp -a is equivalent to cp -dpPR and from the man page: -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps What the OP *will* have a problem with a copying /proc, /dev, /sys and other virtual filesystems. When I do this trick, I usually dd or tar or cp -a entire filesystems and then copy / with this trick: mount -o bind / /some/tmp/dir cp -a /some/tmp/dir /some/other/dir This ensures that only files actually on-disk are copied alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
-Original Message- From: Hemmann, Volker Armin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:19 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? nope. cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that the ctime/mtime making uninstalling things a pain? When I moved around on harddisks some years ago, I followed some instructions found on the suse-hp. And they used tar. ***WARNING*** I am probably missing something, so beware. I am sure people with more experience will fill in the details, so don't try this till everyone else has a chance to chime in. :P I don't know all the details, but from what I understand basically boot into a live disk type environment, tar everything in a way that reserves permissions and all the file info, and then untar it in the new root directory. If grub.conf will be in a new location, then make sure to make the right Changes in grub. If you have a separate /boot parition, then that should be ok, just make the right changes in grub.conf. That SHOULD work. ^^; Make sure not to actually delete anything until you know it works. ^_^ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Friday 08 June 2007 12:39, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: When I moved around on harddisks some years ago, I followed some instructions found on the suse-hp. And they used tar. Any helpful suggestions(links?) ? if you are doing it between different filesystems, keep in mind that some doesn't store the same informations about the files... and would be better if the filesystem from where you will copy, is mounted in read-only mode. if you are only aware about permissions, you can use tar -p but, if the destination filesystem is the same or unix-like (not vfat or ntfs) i'd prefer using rsync -a to doing this job. but if you have any doubt... the manual is your friend. ;) man tar man rsync man cp []'s .m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 17:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: What the OP *will* have a problem with a copying /proc, /dev, /sys and other virtual filesystems. When I do this trick, I usually dd or tar or cp -a entire filesystems and then copy / with this trick: mount -o bind / /some/tmp/dir cp -a /some/tmp/dir /some/other/dir This ensures that only files actually on-disk are copied You could also pass, '-x' to cp and rsync or '--one-file-system' to tar. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Friday 08 June 2007 12:54, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 18:05 +0300, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? 'cp -a' (or better rsync -a) is probably better than 'cp -rp' for that purpose. But what I usually do is 'tar -c ... | tar -x ...'. I don't really know if it's better or not than using 'cp'. I just do it out of habit. if you do tar in this way, is better to use tar -pc ... | tar -px ... []'s .m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
-Original Message- From: Alan McKinnon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:48 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? nope. cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that the ctime/mtime making uninstalling things a pain? No. cp -a is equivalent to cp -dpPR and from the man page: -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps What the OP *will* have a problem with a copying /proc, /dev, /sys and other virtual filesystems. When I do this trick, I usually dd or tar or cp -a entire filesystems and then copy / with this trick: mount -o bind / /some/tmp/dir cp -a /some/tmp/dir /some/other/dir This ensures that only files actually on-disk are copied alan Is it possible to handle the tar process from inside a liveCD environment, and just tar the mount points (i.e. empty directories) for the virtual file systems instead of trying to tar the virtaul file systems themselves? Afterall, they are recreated at boot time, aren't they? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 18:05 +0300, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? 'cp -a' (or better rsync -a) is probably better than 'cp -rp' for that purpose. But what I usually do is 'tar -c ... | tar -x ...'. I don't really know if it's better or not than using 'cp'. I just do it out of habit. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Friday 08 June 2007 18:59, Albert Hopkins wrote: You could also pass, '-x' to cp and rsync or '--one-file-system' to tar. Thanks. I found good howto [1], chapter #7 describes this problem [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/ -- best regards, Aleksey V. Kunitskiy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Moving linux system to another partition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? I have used rsync -avH in the past (-H preserves hardlinks), and with more recent versions of rsync (and if you have ACLs or XATTRs), I would use rsync -avHAX. And yes, do ensure that nothing writes to the partition while you're copying, so the best thing is probably to do that from a LiveCD, where the source partition is mounted read-only. - -- Remy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGaYMVCeNfIyhvXjIRAnE5AKCJyDKNWh4J44Hats5BeCahIL8ySwCgsqO4 Q+LqEzrKkdVaXfsz4OiL7fA= =UgW+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 17:48 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? nope. cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that the ctime/mtime making uninstalling things a pain? No. cp -a is equivalent to cp -dpPR and from the man page: -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps What the OP *will* have a problem with a copying /proc, /dev, /sys and other virtual filesystems. When I do this trick, I usually dd or tar or cp -a entire filesystems and then copy / with this trick: mount -o bind / /some/tmp/dir cp -a /some/tmp/dir /some/other/dir This ensures that only files actually on-disk are copied alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five I generally prefer to do this with dd, from a remote environment dd if=/dev/source partition of=/dev/destination partition Tim Allingham tim -at- datafirst-it.com.au signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Touch screen
Stéphane ANCELOT wrote this: Hi, Have you got calibration software running under X or is it working only in console mode ? Best Regards steph With the newer driver the calibration software works under X perfectly. Under console i can't see the targets. The program asks me to click on certain coordenates x,y but with the black screen i have no idea where it is ! :) Actually it isn't a driver anymore. It's a daemon that interprets serial data though serio_raw module and feeds X and console with the events. I emailed hampshire to calibrate it under console (maybe i've not installed any libs they suppose default to linux distros), and to make my program event sensitive. I asked them it they have their own api or any library that interfaces it. With their test software i could see that the events are reported correctly on console. Now i want a cursor and an API. begin:vcard fn:Rodrigo Forlin n:Forlin;Rodrigo email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;cell:+551194952922 note;quoted-printable:Linux registered user # 226673=0D=0A= http://counter.li.org/ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Plextor SATA DVD RW not working
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 02:39:05PM +, Penguin Lover James squawked: The source can't be read. Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (/dev/dvd) what does 'ls -l /dev/dvd' show? ls: cannot access /dev/dvd: No such file or directory -- permissions? -- is the device really /dev/dvd? In /dev/ I see these only: cdrom cdrom1 there is an older cd also in the machine cdrw1 grepping dmeg I see: hdb: CD-ROM TW 120D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive scsi 2:0:0:0: CD-ROMPLEXTOR DVDR PX-755A 1.04 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5 Obviously, I do not have the SATA drive set up correctly. I'm not sure where udev ends and what I have to do with custom rules or other configs to set up this drive under 2.6.20-gentoo-r8. Looking in the kernel everything that looks like what I need for SATA is there, but, I'm inexperienced with setting up SATA based drives and peripherals I do vaguely remember something about SATA/SCSI devices changes, bur, really, I've never had this dvd reading or writing working on this drive, since it was set up on the amd64 last January. Well, I don't actually own a SATA device, so I can't help you on the kernel side (someone else on this list surely can). But one of the first thing is to read through your dmesg (or search through /sys) to see whether it is a udev problem or a kernel problem. (Under udev, if I am not mistaken, the default scripts should have the cdrom/cdrw/dvd device nodes be symlinks to the devices' real names, so the question now is: where does those three cd devices you listed point to? Presumeably some of them points to your other CD that is appearing as hdb. Is any pointing to a SCSI disk?) Best to luck, W -- Pintsize: Data packets instead of pheromones! Sortir en Pantoufles: up 182 days, 15:09 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] {OT} Firefox's Connecting
Can anyone tell me what Firefox is doing when it says it is Connecting to a particular website? My site is periodically hanging at that point, and I'd like to track down the problem. Is it just waiting for apache2's first response to the HTTP request? - Grant -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: xen-sources compilation error: net/ipv4/netfilter
Solution here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177142 Sorry. Gal' 2007/6/8, Galevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I recently emerged xen-sources and launched a dom0 kernel compilation. Compil' gave up on : net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.c: In function 'send_reset': net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.c:162: error: 'struct skb_shared_info' has no member named 'tso_size' net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.c:163: error: 'struct skb_shared_info' has no member named 'tso_segs' make[3]: *** [net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_REJECT.o] Error 1 make[2]: *** [net/ipv4/netfilter] Error 2 make[1]: *** [net/ipv4] Error 2 make: *** [net] Error 2 I tried to search on https://bugzilla.netfilter.org/bugzilla/index.cgi but the search feature was down. Google gave me other errors, but this wrong struct usage. Any idea to put me on the right way ? Many thanks for your support, Gal' -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
Mauro Faccenda wrote: On Friday 08 June 2007 12:54, Albert Hopkins wrote: On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 18:05 +0300, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part 'cp -a' (or better rsync -a) is probably better than 'cp -rp' for that purpose. But what I usually do is 'tar -c ... | tar -x ...'. if you do tar in this way, is better to use tar -pc ... | tar -px ... The -p option only does something when extracting an archive, so that first -p is pointless. Better use 'tar' instead of 'cp -a', though, as it's much faster when copying many little files. cd /sourcedir tar -cf - . | (cd /destdir; tar -xpvf -) Benno -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf?
* Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, but you see, in half the cases there is not a /complete/ incompatibility. PHP4-5 migration is not an entirely big switch, the biggest problem IIRC in the 4-5 change is the way it handles classes, and a lot of code 'simply works' on both. I had to do a lot at that front. Believe me, they're NOT compatible. Just nearly compatible. So different. For those packages where it really doesnt matter, we simply could use an virtual. Sama for java. snip In the case of autoconf, im personally glad it all hides under one non-linear space-time-continumum on my harddrive ;) . The thought of them all being in seperate ebuild names would drive me nutty ( folder with 10 different package names for the same thing = wtf? ) What folders are you tallking about ? snip The argument of 'cleaning' was a problem for a little while, but im glad the kernel uses slotting, for the reason I dont want to have a seperate ebuild for different kernels, i dont want old kernel sources to be taken away when the new one turns up, and when i want to get rid of old kernels, i want to be able to do a nice and simple emerge -C =some-version to get rid of them when im done with them. Okay, that's good point where slots are really useful. But I'm sure there could be other good solutions. The same occurs in many of the web-applications, where multiple versions are handy, but multiple ebuild names would cause headaches. hmm, they're an special things, since we can have many instances of the same application here. but I never had the need to have multiple versions of one webapp (source) installed. the only way to get around all these nasties would be to have a 3 part package name imo, such as dev-libs/gtk/2/2.0.1.ebuild dev-libs/gtk/1/1.0.1.ebuild for instance , and when you look at it like that, it is in essence identical to 'slots', except a 'slot' is governed by a string in the actual file, instead of a string in the filename. Well, if the slot number would be an part of the package atom name, it would be half as bad. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Firefox's Connecting
Grant wrote: Can anyone tell me what Firefox is doing when it says it is Connecting to a particular website? My site is periodically hanging at that point, and I'd like to track down the problem. Is it just waiting for apache2's first response to the HTTP request? No, Firefox is propably waiting for the TCP connection to be established. Use something like wireshark or tcpdump to find out for sure. Regards mks -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
Hi, On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 02:43:23 +1000 Tim Allingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I generally prefer to do this with dd, from a remote environment dd if=/dev/source partition of=/dev/destination partition Remote Environment probably means a) read-only mounted root FS or b) a boot into another instance, e.g. a live-CD, right? If you're talking about just SSH'ing into the machine: That will probably cause the copy to be broken (if the machine has / still mounted r/w), at least an fsck would be needed. Also, this method will also need a bigger or equally sized new partition. If it's bigger, one also needs to resize the filesystem afterwards. -hwh -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto: I'd prefer telling people what I (personally) believe it's good/right and give them the chance to either take or leave it. Both decisions will have their consequences, but nobody can tell which one is objectively better - evryhing's subjective. [...] I don't feel to defend anything against anyone. At least not in such technically debates. I've got my arguments and solutions. Feel free to either follow them or leave them alone. You also can put your own against, and so we can discuss. Your problem is: you live in the delusion that if you write thing X, people immediately understand X and either refuse it or accept it. People do not work that way (no, you neither). If you write thing X and X is not blatantly, utmostly trivially obvious (and even in this case) most people will NOT understand it. For example, I am explaining to you this concept right now, and I see you have an hard time grasping it. You see? So you have to explain it again and to defend your opinion in the sense that you have to nail into the head of the relevant people that you're right (or nail into yours that you are wrong). If the world was like you think it is, it would probably be better. But not being so, it's not surprising that you feel refused by it. Okay, this is really getting in philophical topics liek god vs. satan ;-o (-- getting too offtopic ?) Yeah, but I like it. :) In case of the mozilla-launcher bug, I did explain it. And I found an quick and dirty solution for me. Not a clean one, but it's a start. We had several better ideas in this thread, which should be discussed. But as long as the bug is marked invalid, I have to assume that debate is unwelcomed and so won't invest much more resouces in that. No, you have to assume that people upstream have not understood why the bug is valid. The conversation was: enrico: hey, there's bug X in package Y when doing Z bugwrangler: (giving just a fast glance) hmmm, doesn't look like a bug. maybe better avoiding wasting time. enrico: oh, don't you think it's a bug? F**K YOU MORONS ME IS WASTING TIME. Now the RIGHT reply would be: enrico: ehm, no. you misunderstand me, probably. it's REALLY a bug for those reasons. i'll try to be even more clear now...blah,blah...you see it now? b.w.: still not convinced enrico: (repeat until convince someone or you are forced to give up) Well, of course we're all conditioned on defending if we're attacked, probably generic. But I really don't see I anytings to gain here than maybe my honour in such an unimportant place like bgo. That's where you are wrong, and that's why I still insist answering to this thread. If you insist: - you get all the community aware that there is a bug - you could get the bug fixed - Gentoo is better That's why it is important. Frankly I don't care that much about your honour :), but I care about Gentoo. It's my OS, I want it better. Maybe it's my fault if some people doesn't understand my bug reports. But it's their fault if they declare my reports as invalid w/o asking back, ranting against me, try to convince me to go away, etc If they don't understand them, how can it be their fault? Garbage input -- garbage output. I had to learn that bgo is clearly not the place for an open and cooperative working on problems, if you're not an Gentoo cleric. Too strange I am not a Gentoo cleric and I had exactly the opposite experience. So I've got my conclusions and work alone. Maybe some people come around and say, against Gentoo, but that's not true - just beyond Gentoo. (If they really believe in that, well I'll leave them with that - I'm not the one who wants to have anything to do with such religious stuff) This, I agree. But working alone helps no one apart from you and a bunch of guys that agree with you. Plus, sometimes you could actually be wrong. Discussing your patches with people could always be helpful. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
Kent Fredric ha scritto: On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( probably releated to it being a generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough* unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* ) OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and slick pieces of software. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 at work and it's the more polished, ready-to-go, easy to use Linux distro I've ever seen. I use Gentoo on my home desktop for various reasons and because I have different needs, but the Linux community has only to learn from the Ubuntus. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote: Kent Fredric ha scritto: On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( probably releated to it being a generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough* unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* ) OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and slick pieces of software. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 at work and it's the more polished, ready-to-go, easy to use Linux distro I've ever seen. I use Gentoo on my home desktop for various reasons and because I have different needs, but the Linux community has only to learn from the Ubuntus. what to learn? How to make kcontrol worse? The slowest boot of all times? A braindead installer? A patched-to-death kpdf? Yes, there is something to learn from the ubuntus. Like: don't make their mistakes. Or: there is a difference between userfriendly and made for idiots. Been there - I will never touch *buntu again. If I ever feel the need to use something else than gentoo it will be Slackware. Lean, mean, fast slackware. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto: I understand that often there's more information need. But isn't this exactly what the NEEDINFO status is for ? You don't understand that perhaps the wrangler does not understand that needs more info! If he has a partial/distorted view of the bug, you can't expect he *knows* his view is partial/distorted. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Aleksey Kunitskiy wrote: Hi all, Is it safe to move my linux system by using: #cp -rp /mnt/old_part /mnt/new_part and approriate changes in grub.conf/fstab on new system location ? nope. cp -a if you really want to use copy. But doesn't kill that the ctime/mtime making uninstalling things a pain? No. cp -a is equivalent to cp -dpPR and from the man page: -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps What the OP *will* have a problem with a copying /proc, /dev, /sys and other virtual filesystems. When I do this trick, I usually dd or tar or cp -a entire filesystems and then copy / with this trick: mount -o bind / /some/tmp/dir cp -a /some/tmp/dir /some/other/dir This ensures that only files actually on-disk are copied alan This is something I have done several times. This is how I do it. Boot the Gentoo CD or some other live CD, Knoppix should work. After you get booted up, mount the partitions, old and new, then use this command: cp -av /path/to/old /path/to/new and sit back and watch it all scroll by. It may take a good while depending on how much stuff you have to copy. I'm not saying that someone else doesn't have a better idea. I have seen where people tar the stuff then untar it to the new drive. To me, it is a useless step. What I use has worked for me every time and I have done it quite a bit. I hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) :-) :-)
[OT] Ubuntu isn't the devil (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid)
On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid': On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote: Kent Fredric ha scritto: On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( probably releated to it being a generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough* unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* ) OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and slick pieces of software. I just installed Kubuntu 7.04 at work and it's the more polished, ready-to-go, easy to use Linux distro I've ever seen. I use Gentoo on my home desktop for various reasons and because I have different needs, but the Linux community has only to learn from the Ubuntus. what to learn? How to make kcontrol worse? I think many find ksystemsettings to be better a better interface than kcontrol. I don't, so I just use kcontrol. It is a little stupid that they don't install the desktop icon for it, but it's trivial to fix. The slowest boot of all times? My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay mounting a 3TiB reiserfs. Ubuntu can also be very quick to boot *if* all files read on startup fit into system ram throughout the startup sequence, on my laptop this isn't the case, so my booting is somewhat delayed. A braindead installer? How exactly is it braindead? I've used it multiple times and while it's error handling could be better, it's allowed me to do all the setup I need before the install starts and generally gets me run-and-running much faster and Gentoo. A patched-to-death kpdf? Yeah, ubuntu patches KDE left and right and it's a bit annoying, especially when they reduce usability for no good reason. E.g. the search toolbar forces the cursor to the end of it's contents from time to time, and doesn't properly submit searches with parenthesis in them -- both issues make the search bar on Gentoo much better. Yes, there is something to learn from the ubuntus. Like: don't make their mistakes. Their mistakes made them the most popular linux distribution in a incredibly small amount of time. Their mistakes continue to drive user and developers toward the project in flocks. Their mistakes lead to Dell shipping home systems with Ubuntu pre-installed. I love Gentoo. I love Debian. I still think Ubuntu does some things better and some things worse. On my laptop, I'd prefer not to configure anything -- and Ubuntu provides a usable system with no hassles. Servers @ work -- Debian. Desktop @ home -- Gentoo. I don't think I'd change any of them. Or: there is a difference between userfriendly and made for idiots. Ubuntu being neither. ;) -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.org/ \_/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [OT] Ubuntu isn't the devil (was: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid)
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] The slowest boot of all times? My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay mounting a 3TiB reiserfs. Ubuntu can also be very quick to boot *if* all files read on startup fit into system ram throughout the startup sequence, on my laptop this isn't the case, so my booting is somewhat delayed. I have several boot cds. And none of them booted as slow as kubuntu 7.04. yeah, reiserfs mounts slowly with really big drives - wasn't there a patch added recently to speed it up? A braindead installer? How exactly is it braindead? like 'there is a freshly formated partition, but you have to format it again, because me, the mighty installer says so'? Yes, there is something to learn from the ubuntus. Like: don't make their mistakes. Their mistakes made them the most popular linux distribution in a incredibly small amount of time. Their mistakes continue to drive user and developers toward the project in flocks. Their mistakes lead to Dell shipping home systems with Ubuntu pre-installed. nope, what made them the 'most popular distribution' was the fact that they were hyped even before they released the first version. There have been other easy-to-use distos before and after ubuntu - and I am sure most of them would overtake ubuntu, if they would be hyped the same way. I love Gentoo. I love Debian. I still think Ubuntu does some things better and some things worse. On my laptop, I'd prefer not to configure anything -- and Ubuntu provides a usable system with no hassles. Servers @ work -- Debian. Desktop @ home -- Gentoo. I don't think I'd change any of them. I don't love debian - it is just a distribution - and I am annoyed by hype. Any kind of hype. I remember very well the hype around Mandrake (I got almost insane, when I tried it. Lots and lots of sugarly cute graphics and colours and no obvious way to turn it off...), I have seen the smaller hype around lindows, I luckily joined gentoo before the hype and I have seen ubuntu beeing hyped and reported as the 'bestest' distribution of all time, before they even released anything. Or: there is a difference between userfriendly and made for idiots. Ubuntu being neither. ;) from my POV (you are free to see it differently) ubuntu is not userfriendly, it is idiot friendly. Some people might think, that I am an idiot, so I should shut up and be happy, but for me, ubuntu sucks. Everybody is entitled to have an opinion. I don't like ubuntu. If you like it, good for you. I won't stop you using it or belittle you for that. Everybody uses the distro that fits his needs - that is the great thing about choice. But for me, *buntu does not fit, -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, »Q« wrote: In news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Freitag, 8. Juni 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really. If you think there's a problem, explain it. You get attacked? Insist. Prove them they are wrong. Just curious: Did you ever try this with Jakub? I did. And after some arguments a different dev came in and recognized the bug as a real bug... I've seen that happen a few times. IME, jakub is usually right, but whether he's right or wrong he's very stubborn. It's possible to wrangle the bug yourself, asking another dev to have a look at it, instead of arguing with Jakub until somebody notices. Jakub is like a spam filter who filters out 100% of the spam. Sadly, he filters a fair amount of ham too - and if your ham got filtered the option to get it recognized as ham are hard to find and not easy to use ;) His user interface could be improved -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Fri Jun 8 16:38 , Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: This is something I have done several times. This is how I do it. Boot the Gentoo CD or some other live CD, Knoppix should work. After you get booted up, mount the partitions, old and new, then use this command: cp -av /path/to/old /path/to/new and sit back and watch it all scroll by. It may take a good while depending on how much stuff you have to copy. I'm not saying that someone else doesn't have a better idea. I have seen where people tar the stuff then untar it to the new drive. To me, it is a useless step. What I use has worked for me every time and I have done it quite a bit. Yeah, that's me, I do exactly the same until you issue the cp command where I do: $cd /mnt/oldstuff tar cvjpf /pathtosomewhere/mystuff.tbz ./ and then extract to the new directory. I do this out of habit mostly and, yes, it is a useless step unless you want to store a copy somewhere for whatever reason... --James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Fri Jun 8 12:09 , Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: The -p option only does something when extracting an archive, so that first -p is pointless. Cool. I thought you were mistaken however, upon consulting the man page, you are absolutely correct. Thanks for that. --James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] updating ati-drivers
Hello, It's been a long time since I update ati-drivers. I forgot all of the steps you have to manually perform after updating ati-drivers. I cannot seem to locate the wiki I followed last time. Since I only admin one system with ati-drivers, could somebody point me to current docs (wiki) or list the steps I need to follow? tia, James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 19:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri Jun 8 16:38 , Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Yeah, that's me, I do exactly the same until you issue the cp command where I do: $cd /mnt/oldstuff tar cvjpf /pathtosomewhere/mystuff.tbz ./ and then extract to the new directory. I do this out of habit mostly and, yes, it is a useless step unless you want to store a copy somewhere for whatever reason... --James The one thing I mentioned is that I actually pipe tar to tar (tar -c ... | tar -x ...) which seems even more useless, but as I said I'm used to doing some things out of habit. Then I thought about why: the '-a' flag is not available on all *nices... I believe it's a GNU extension. So I probably got used to using the tar trick on a non-GNU system and got used to it because it works whether I'm using Linux or not. But if you're on a Linux system (that has rsync installed) then rsync is probably the nicer option. It's got even more options than GNU's cp. I actually 'alias cp=rsync' on my Gentoo systems. 'dd' is good if you want to preserve filesystem/geometry but not good if you don't. -- Albert W. Hopkins -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Moving linux system to another partition
On Fri Jun 8 18:25 , Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 19:01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri Jun 8 16:38 , Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Yeah, that's me, I do exactly the same until you issue the cp command where
I do:
$cd /mnt/oldstuff tar cvjpf /pathtosomewhere/mystuff.tbz ./
and then extract to the new directory. I do this out of habit mostly and,
yes,
it is a useless step unless you want to store a copy somewhere for whatever
reason...
--James
The one thing I mentioned is that I actually pipe tar to tar (tar -c ...
| tar -x ...) which seems even more useless, but as I said I'm used to
doing some things out of habit. Then I thought about why: the '-a' flag
is not available on all *nices... I believe it's a GNU extension. So I
probably got used to using the tar trick on a non-GNU system and got
used to it because it works whether I'm using Linux or not. But if
you're on a Linux system (that has rsync installed) then rsync is
probably the nicer option. It's got even more options than GNU's cp. I
actually 'alias cp=rsync' on my Gentoo systems.
Ha. This is a good day. I have to laugh at myself for not utilizing rsync
more;
for the last few years I've just been using rsync to backup/restore my /home and
key config files to my fileserver (while at home). Never even considered using
it for local operations. Nice. I have the habit, also, of using the most basic
stuff since I'm usually on all manner of UNIX{like} boxes during the day.
Thanks,
--James
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Re: [gentoo-user] Message at bootup about superblock last write time
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 01:24:40PM -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote At Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:25:57 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Checking root filesystem ... /dev/hda1: Superblock last write time is in the future. FIXED. /dev/hda1: clean, 6975/160960 files, 32843/307235 blocks [ ok ] * Remounting root filesystem read/write ... [ ok ] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142850 Thanks. I've been busy with buying-a-new-home paperwork the past few few days. At least I know now that it's not a problem with my system. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 Q. Mr. Ghandi, what do you think of Microsoft security? A. I think it would be a good idea. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] updating ati-drivers
James wrote: Hello, It's been a long time since I update ati-drivers. I forgot all of the steps you have to manually perform after updating ati-drivers. I cannot seem to locate the wiki I followed last time. Since I only admin one system with ati-drivers, could somebody point me to current docs (wiki) or list the steps I need to follow? Is this what you want? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ati-faq.xml At the bottom of the page, there is a link that will bring up this page: http://odin.prohosting.com/wedge01/gentoo-radeon-faq.html I used these and was able to install ATI drivers on this computer and my old laptop, no problem. Unfortunately, my new laptop uses nvidia. HTH Regards, Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: updating ati-drivers
Colleen Beamer colleen.beamer at gmail.com writes: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ati-faq.xml http://odin.prohosting.com/wedge01/gentoo-radeon-faq.html No, I have ati-drivers installed. It's time to upgrade. There are a series of steps (commands) you have to issue which are unique to ati-drivers, once you update the ati-drivers. It's been a while since I did this so I have forgotten the exact sequence of steps as to keep X/kde working with ati-drivers. James -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Ubuntu isn't the devil
Hemmann, Volker Armin ha scritto: I have several boot cds. And none of them booted as slow as kubuntu 7.04. The boot cd is slow as a molasses hell, but the installed system boots quite fast -slower than my Gentoo, but not significantly. nope, what made them the 'most popular distribution' was the fact that they were hyped even before they released the first version. There have been other easy-to-use distos before and after ubuntu - and I am sure most of them would overtake ubuntu, if they would be hyped the same way. I was of the same opinion, *before* trying it and using it for a year at work. I've used a bunch of other binary distros: Mandrake, Debian, Slackware. Still, Kubuntu beated them all. I was full of negative prejudices, just because of the hype, like you, but I had to admit it was a fscking good system. With quirky bugs here and there, of course. Oh, and about the installer: well, Gentoo even hasn't a functional graphical installer, AFAIK (the advice everyone hears on mls and forums is: DO NOT USE THE GRAPHICAL INSTALLER! -so why ship it, if it's ~?) Minor glitches like having to reformat a clean partition do not look like braindead to me. The Slackware installer, that's just braindead imho (even if I have fun using it). I don't love debian - it is just a distribution - and I am annoyed by hype. Any kind of hype. I remember very well the hype around Mandrake (I got almost insane, when I tried it. Lots and lots of sugarly cute graphics and colours and no obvious way to turn it off...), I have seen the smaller hype around lindows, I luckily joined gentoo before the hype and I have seen ubuntu beeing hyped and reported as the 'bestest' distribution of all time, before they even released anything. First *buntu releases were not 'bestest'. From 6.06 onward, it is at least in the first 3 places, for me. from my POV (you are free to see it differently) ubuntu is not userfriendly, it is idiot friendly. That's GNOME. Use KDE, and it won't be idiot friendly anymore. Kubuntu KDE doesn't look that much different from my KDE on Gentoo, apart it's configured a little better. By the way: I'd love to know how is kpdf patched. I use kpdf at work with Kubuntu and here on Gentoo, and they look pretty identical. I'm sure you're right: I just don't know what are the differences. m. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Ubuntu isn't the devil
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin ha scritto: I have several boot cds. And none of them booted as slow as kubuntu 7.04. The boot cd is slow as a molasses hell, but the installed system boots quite fast -slower than my Gentoo, but not significantly. nope, what made them the 'most popular distribution' was the fact that they were hyped even before they released the first version. There have been other easy-to-use distos before and after ubuntu - and I am sure most of them would overtake ubuntu, if they would be hyped the same way. I was of the same opinion, *before* trying it and using it for a year at work. I've used a bunch of other binary distros: Mandrake, Debian, Slackware. Still, Kubuntu beated them all. I was full of negative prejudices, just because of the hype, like you, but I had to admit it was a fscking good system. With quirky bugs here and there, of course. Oh, and about the installer: well, Gentoo even hasn't a functional graphical installer, AFAIK (the advice everyone hears on mls and forums is: DO NOT USE THE GRAPHICAL INSTALLER! -so why ship it, if it's ~?) Minor glitches like having to reformat a clean partition do not look like braindead to me. The Slackware installer, that's just braindead imho (even if I have fun using it). I hate the gentoo graphical installer with all my guts. IMHO it is just wrong ... I don't love debian - it is just a distribution - and I am annoyed by hype. Any kind of hype. I remember very well the hype around Mandrake (I got almost insane, when I tried it. Lots and lots of sugarly cute graphics and colours and no obvious way to turn it off...), I have seen the smaller hype around lindows, I luckily joined gentoo before the hype and I have seen ubuntu beeing hyped and reported as the 'bestest' distribution of all time, before they even released anything. First *buntu releases were not 'bestest'. From 6.06 onward, it is at least in the first 3 places, for me. no ubuntu release was 'the bestest distro ever' - except when you read all that stuff that was and is written with every release... from my POV (you are free to see it differently) ubuntu is not userfriendly, it is idiot friendly. That's GNOME. Use KDE, and it won't be idiot friendly anymore. Kubuntu KDE doesn't look that much different from my KDE on Gentoo, apart it's configured a little better. I tried Kubuntu... but I don't only look after the desktop - and it was the completly package. Boot, installer, sudo, that really got me... angry. By the way: I'd love to know how is kpdf patched. I use kpdf at work with Kubuntu and here on Gentoo, and they look pretty identical. I'm sure you're right: I just don't know what are the differences. I am too lazy to use google right now but this should give you are starting point (and also explain why kubuntu's and gentoo's kpdf are so similar - in b0rkiness) http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/28/today-in-gentoos-kde-land -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: updating ati-drivers
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 02:09 +, James wrote: I have ati-drivers installed. It's time to upgrade. There are a series of steps (commands) you have to issue which are unique to ati-drivers, once you update the ati-drivers. ummm, don't know about the series of commands, but all I do is kill X and log back in again. Occasionally you might have to (un)load the fglrx module by hand... It's been a while since I did this so I have forgotten the exact sequence of steps as to keep X/kde working with ati-drivers. it must have been a long while, cause I can't remember any sequence of steps, and I've been using ati-drivers for years... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au I must rule with eye and claw -- as the hawk among lesser birds. -- Atreides assertion (Ref: BG Archives) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: updating ati-drivers
James wrote: I have ati-drivers installed. It's time to upgrade. There are a series of steps (commands) you have to issue which are unique to ati-drivers, once you update the ati-drivers. It's been a while since I did this so I have forgotten the exact sequence of steps as to keep X/kde working with ati-drivers. Are you talking about this: 'eselect opengl set ati' ? -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
