[gentoo-user] MacBook: How many hours on battery with Gentoo?
Hi. I'm planning on buying myself a MacBook and I'm just wondering if anyone knows how many hours I will get out of it if I run Gentoo. I mainly use a bunch of terminals, gvim and some lightweigth gtk app so nothing heavy going on. All input appreciated /Lowe -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: load too high
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:22 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: The cruelty is actually worse: the machines that will benefit most from an OOo compile from source, are those old, low memory, asthmatic boxen, that take two days to complete the emerge! I am tempted to start cross-compiling. I've often used distcc between amd64 and x86 machines, for example, and had no problems (except that not enough is farmed out). AFAIR the OOo build won't use distcc. It used to take up to 16 hours on my iBook, with no bin package available. Now it takes 3-4 hours, so runs while I sleep. The binary version clashes too much with KDE. -- Neil Bothwick Self-explanatory: technospeak for Incomprehensible undocumented signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
Hello, One of my coligues used this rm -rf / command on his ext3 partition as root ... of course :-( He removes about 50% of data. And my question is: is there a utility to undelete the files and directories or at least some files? I know that this shouldn't be possible but data are worth to ask :-) Thanks a lot. Pat -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:09:37 +0100, pat wrote: One of my coligues used this rm -rf / command on his ext3 partition as root ... of course :-( He removes about 50% of data. And my question is: is there a utility to undelete the files and directories or at least some files? I know that this shouldn't be possible but data are worth to ask :-) He could try photorec from the testdisk package, but mount the filesystem ro immediately to reduce any further damage. The output from photorec isn't pretty and will take a lot of work to sort out what is worth keeping, but that is all part of the learning process :P -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, as Satan laid his soul to waste. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] reiser4 status
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Well, I'm currently testing last version of reiser4 and it seems to be fast and reliable. namesys website seems to be off now ... I wondering where this fs will go now ? It's in curse of import in kernel or totally abandonned ? Any idea ? Thanks -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHtV28Eg3iyspSWPARAiRCAJ9+jMxFsUDUrtba188yDfbXWChWnwCeN0Zr +fOGvzblJeGzxcVLZb3hKIU= =BR+p -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-user] [OT] text editor with multiline block replacement
Hi! Please, recommend a text editor with a capability to find/replace *multiline* blocks. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
On Friday 15 February 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 February 2008, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: That aside, how would gaps *between* files ever translate into fragmentation unless the author of that particular piece of software managed to kill his very last brain cell? Oops. I had a brain fart there. You two are so funny. Thank you. We try to please :-) I second that. Africa makes you so. I mean funny and trying to please. ;-) I found this too: http://www.oo-software.com/home/en/products/oodefrag/ Seems someone is trying to make money. I have also read that most Linux file systems do this automatically somehow. After doing my test, I tend to agree. So why have a commercial product for this? Is it just money? Yeah, pretty much just money. Microsoft's business model is to trap the market, never perform at any level higher than mediocrity, and create an ecosystem that needs thousands of support apps just to keep the OS limping along. Then shaft all of them with vendor-lockin Coping with file fragmentation has to be one of the easiest algorithms around, it isn't even hard. Write a file, and look to see how the blocks are distributed. If it can be improved, then do so. Otherwise leave it as is But then again, if you have written a file system so that everything is just mushed onto the same device, all higeldypigeldy with no sane structure at all ... then I suppose you would need stuff like defrag to come along once a week and save your ass :-) Back in the days when I still used DOS, one certainly wanted to defragment periodically. The system became significantly more performant for a while. On Linux/Unix, I never bothered. Uwe -- Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na/ SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
On Friday 15 February 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:09:37 +0100, pat wrote: One of my coligues used this rm -rf / command on his ext3 partition as root ... of course :-( He removes about 50% of data. And my question is: is there a utility to undelete the files and directories or at least some files? I know that this shouldn't be possible but data are worth to ask :-) He could try photorec from the testdisk package, but mount the filesystem ro immediately to reduce any further damage. The output from photorec isn't pretty and will take a lot of work to sort out what is worth keeping, but that is all part of the learning process :P Neil, you are a master of understatement :-) pat, it might be possible to get some stuff back, IF he remounted ro immediately and IF not much writing to the disk happened in the meantime. However, by the time you are done it is usually not worth the effort it took. It's easier to reinstall and restore backups. But if there are some irreplaceable files on that disk, you have no choice. good luck to him. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] text editor with multiline block replacement
On Friday 15 February 2008, Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Hi! Please, recommend a text editor with a capability to find/replace *multiline* blocks. MS Word running in CrossOver? /me ducks -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:41:28 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote On Friday 15 February 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:09:37 +0100, pat wrote: One of my coligues used this rm -rf / command on his ext3 partition as root ... of course :-( He removes about 50% of data. And my question is: is there a utility to undelete the files and directories or at least some files? I know that this shouldn't be possible but data are worth to ask :-) He could try photorec from the testdisk package, but mount the filesystem ro immediately to reduce any further damage. The output from photorec isn't pretty and will take a lot of work to sort out what is worth keeping, but that is all part of the learning process :P Neil, you are a master of understatement :-) pat, it might be possible to get some stuff back, IF he remounted ro immediately and IF not much writing to the disk happened in the meantime. However, by the time you are done it is usually not worth the effort it took. It's easier to reinstall and restore backups. But if there are some irreplaceable files on that disk, you have no choice. good luck to him. There's a home directory ... . Pat -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
Uwe Thiem wrote: Back in the days when I still used DOS, one certainly wanted to defragment periodically. The system became significantly more performant for a while. On Linux/Unix, I never bothered. Uwe Yea, I remember those days too. Put the disk and get it started then wait until it finishes the next day. Sometimes it would take more time than that. I mean, when you got a puter with 64K of ram and maybe 200 or 300MBs of hard drive space, well, it takes a while. Oh, that 4MHz blazingly fast CPU helped a lot too. ;-) Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: Well, I'm currently testing last version of reiser4 and it seems to be fast and reliable. namesys website seems to be off now That's no wonder, Namesys is currently out of business due to Mr. Reiser's ongoing court trial. ... I wondering where this fs will go now ? It's in the -mm tree since a long time now and AFAIK one or two former namesys employees are still working on it. It's in curse of import in kernel or totally abandonned ? Don't know. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux, reiserfs and file fragmentation
On Friday 15 February 2008, Dale wrote: Uwe Thiem wrote: Back in the days when I still used DOS, one certainly wanted to defragment periodically. The system became significantly more performant for a while. On Linux/Unix, I never bothered. Uwe Yea, I remember those days too. Put the disk and get it started then wait until it finishes the next day. Sometimes it would take more time than that. I mean, when you got a puter with 64K of ram and maybe 200 or 300MBs of hard drive space, well, it takes a while. Oh, that 4MHz blazingly fast CPU helped a lot too. ;-) I remember using PCTools for defrag then switching to Norton. Took 2 days on a 20M MFM drive - Norton used a different layout scheme to PCTools and wanted to change *everything* around. Heck, I remember changing the interleaving on that disk from 1 to 3 and getting a massive performance increase... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
On Friday 15 February 2008, pat wrote: However, by the time you are done it is usually not worth the effort it took. It's easier to reinstall and restore backups. But if there are some irreplaceable files on that disk, you have no choice. good luck to him. There's a home directory ... . With luck, there's a backup too! -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
On Friday 15 February 2008, pat wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:41:28 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote Neil, you are a master of understatement :-) pat, it might be possible to get some stuff back, IF he remounted ro immediately and IF not much writing to the disk happened in the meantime. However, by the time you are done it is usually not worth the effort it took. It's easier to reinstall and restore backups. But if there are some irreplaceable files on that disk, you have no choice. good luck to him. There's a home directory ... . What do you mean, Pat? /home still exists and is populated? Then the solution is easy. Back it up immediately. Re-install your whole system and restore /home. Uwe -- Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na/ SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Friday 15 February 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: ... I wondering where this fs will go now ? It's in the -mm tree since a long time now and AFAIK one or two former namesys employees are still working on it. It's in curse of import in kernel or totally abandonned ? Don't know. Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. And it's highly unlikely that Linus will ever pull it into mainline. The reiser coding style is somewhat ... problematic for kernel devs -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] text editor with multiline block replacement
080215 Andrew Gaydenko inquired re a text editor with a capability to find/replace *multiline* blocks. It sb possible using regular expressions in (G)Vim, also with macros via commands 'q' '@'. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
080215 pat wrote: One of my coligues used this rm -rf / command on his ext3 partition as root: He removes about 50% of data. is there a utility to undelete the files and directories or at least some files? One of the Linux news sites relayed an article yesterday, which mentioned several recovery apps, which are all in Gentoo : magicrescue gpart sleuthkit foremost . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 23:12 -0600, Dale wrote: Neil Walker wrote: Kevin O'Gorman wrote: I can find a lot of cards that are almost what I want. But I have an external drive, and a PCI-X motherboard. Not internal, and not PCI-E. Anybody know of such a beast A quick Google led to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003 Be lucky, Neil Dale makes a note of this. Questions: If I buy this card and a SATA hard drive, will I notice faster transfer speed on the drive or will the PCI bus limit it somehow? I currently get 40 to 50 MBs/sec on my IDE drives. Would this setup be any faster? Thanks Dale :-) :-) Short answer: no. Long answer: You'd need to flood your PCI-bus with data to see any drop in speed. Ways to do it? Buy four disks and build a RAID1 using Linux device mapper. Since the data sent to the devices is not replicated on a RAID-controller (e.g. after transfer through PCI) but in software, you'd send four times the amount of data through your poor old PCI-bus. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
Uwe Thiem writes: On Friday 15 February 2008, pat wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:41:28 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote Neil, you are a master of understatement :-) pat, it might be possible to get some stuff back, IF he remounted ro immediately and IF not much writing to the disk happened in the meantime. However, by the time you are done it is usually not worth the effort it took. It's easier to reinstall and restore backups. But if there are some irreplaceable files on that disk, you have no choice. good luck to him. There's a home directory ... . What do you mean, Pat? /home still exists and is populated? I think he means there _was_ a /home directory. I'd mout ro, and backup all files that are still there. photorec will find lots of files, but only as single files, without the directory structure. See http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/File_Formats_Recovered_By_PhotoRec for a list of supported file types. There are undelete tools for ext2, but I heard they should not work with ext3, because it zeros out things instead of just marking them as deleted as it was in ext2. However, I also heard that someone had success with midnight commander, which has an undelete feature (F9, Commands menu). I did not try it, but this tool sounds promising: http://freshmeat.net/projects/giis giis (gET iT i sAY) is a file recovery tool for Ext2/Ext3 filesystems. Once installed, current files and newly created files can be recovered. It allows users to recover all deleted files, recover files owned by a specific user, dump data from old file locations, and recover files of a specific type, such as text or PNG. A forensic analyzer is also provided to assist users during recovery. Good luck, Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] slightly OT, laptop for gentoo
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 12:09 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 20:21 -0500, David Relson wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:29:58 + Mike Williams wrote: On Thursday 14 February 2008 22:58:13 David Relson wrote: Have you thought about a PS/2 to USB adapter? I'm presently using a PS/2 keyboard _and_ a PS/2 mouse connected to a single USB port (with a Y adapter -- dual PS/2 inputs and USB output). D'you know what, I didn't even realise such a thing existed! I've probably got dozens of USB to PS2 adaptors, and never imagined the opposite. A dual PS2 to USB could well do the trick, and my local Maplin have some in stock, a bit pricey but the company will pay. Here in Michigan they seem a bit pricey, as well. A single PS/2 to USB adapter is a few dollars but the dual PS/2 to USB Y adapter is $16.00 (or worse). I had hoped to use one with my PS/2 only KVM but the combo doesn't work. I suspect the issue is with the KVM as I have 2 different Y adapters and neither works. Sigh :- The Dell business models (precision) docking stations have 2 PS2 ports. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DELL-Dock-Station-PR01X-LATITUDE-INSPIRON-FREE-DELIVERY_W0QQitemZ320215888408QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3709QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem A docking station would be an excellent idea if you need the peripherals to work without fussing with cables. If/when you do need to pick it up to move / replace something, you don't need to worry about unplugging replugging 6 different cables in the right spots... You can even tie / screw the docking station down (or get one of those D-View laptop stands) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Dell-D-View-Laptop-Stand-NEW_W0QQitemZ200199102199QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3708QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem sorry about the ebay links, but dell of course doesn't list these things in their products page... -- If you buy a docking station, double check what kind of AC-adapter you use. A PA-12 (65W) is not powerful enough to supply a docking station. You'll need a PA-10. Some notebooks are shipped with a PA-10, some with a PA-12 with no apparent system. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] text editor with multiline block replacement
Philip Webb wrote: It sb possible using regular expressions in (G)Vim, It somebody...? It soundboard...? It antimony...? Ah, it should be... Why not type the few extra characters and save multiple readers a search through their abbreviations list? Benno -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] text editor with multiline block replacement
Andrew Gaydenko wrote: Please, recommend a text editor with a capability to find/replace *multiline* blocks. My favourite editor - app-editors/le :) Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Mailman trouble [SEMI-SOLVED]
kashani wrote: Johannes Skov Frandsen wrote: Anybody had the same problem and found a solution? Worst case scenario, how do I move my existing lists to a fresh installation of mailman? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-641573-highlight-.html There are a couple twists. You'll need to update the mailman user to point to the right homedir, make sure your lists are in the right place, etc. kashani Reading through the different links and forum threads posted here I decided to revert to a working version of mailman: I edited /etc/portage/package.mask and added the following line: net-mail/mailman-2.1.9 and then I ran: emerge -vauDN world Everything seems to be working again now, so I'm just crossing my fingers and waiting for a new ebuild that handles the upgrade smoother. -- Regards / Venlig hilsen Johannes Skov Frandsen /You live and learn. At any rate, you live. [Marvin]/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
Alan McKinnon skrev: On Friday 15 February 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: ... I wondering where this fs will go now ? It's in the -mm tree since a long time now and AFAIK one or two former namesys employees are still working on it. It's in curse of import in kernel or totally abandonned ? Don't know. Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. And it's highly unlikely that Linus will ever pull it into mainline. The reiser coding style is somewhat ... problematic for kernel devs That would be really bad. What is going on? Who is behind that legal attack on against the free world and Hans? Must be someone who wants to harm us. Is there anything we can do about it? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] undelete files and dirs on ext3 partition
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:01:25 +0100, Alex Schuster wrote Uwe Thiem writes: On Friday 15 February 2008, pat wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:41:28 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote Neil, you are a master of understatement :-) pat, it might be possible to get some stuff back, IF he remounted ro immediately and IF not much writing to the disk happened in the meantime. However, by the time you are done it is usually not worth the effort it took. It's easier to reinstall and restore backups. But if there are some irreplaceable files on that disk, you have no choice. good luck to him. There's a home directory ... . What do you mean, Pat? /home still exists and is populated? I think he means there _was_ a /home directory. I'd mout ro, and backup all files that are still there. photorec will find lots of files, but only as single files, without the directory structure. See http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/File_Formats_Recovered_By_PhotoRec for a list of supported file types. There are undelete tools for ext2, but I heard they should not work with ext3, because it zeros out things instead of just marking them as deleted as it was in ext2. However, I also heard that someone had success with midnight commander, which has an undelete feature (F9, Commands menu). I did not try it, but this tool sounds promising: http://freshmeat.net/projects/giis giis (gET iT i sAY) is a file recovery tool for Ext2/Ext3 filesystems. Once installed, current files and newly created files can be recovered. It allows users to recover all deleted files, recover files owned by a specific user, dump data from old file locations, and recover files of a specific type, such as text or PNG. A forensic analyzer is also provided to assist users during recovery. Yes, there was the home directory. Thanks to all for the help. Pat
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Friday 15 February 2008, Erik wrote: Alan McKinnon skrev: On Friday 15 February 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: ... I wondering where this fs will go now ? It's in the -mm tree since a long time now and AFAIK one or two former namesys employees are still working on it. It's in curse of import in kernel or totally abandonned ? Don't know. Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. And it's highly unlikely that Linus will ever pull it into mainline. The reiser coding style is somewhat ... problematic for kernel devs That would be really bad. What is going on? Who is behind that legal attack on against the free world and Hans? Must be someone who wants to harm us. Is there anything we can do about it? what the f..k are you on about? Hans is accused of murdering his Russian bride and is on trial right now. This has nothing to do with the free world, it's the legal system in operation. Nothing to see here, move along, 'kthanxbye -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 12:57 +0100, Erik wrote: Alan McKinnon skrev: On Friday 15 February 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: ... I wondering where this fs will go now ? It's in the -mm tree since a long time now and AFAIK one or two former namesys employees are still working on it. It's in curse of import in kernel or totally abandonned ? Don't know. Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. And it's highly unlikely that Linus will ever pull it into mainline. The reiser coding style is somewhat ... problematic for kernel devs That would be really bad. What is going on? Who is behind that legal attack on against the free world and Hans? Must be someone who wants to harm us. Is there anything we can do about it? Legal attack on Hans Reiser? Oh, you don't know the story? Okay, short version: Hans is a weird person. And now, his wife disappeared and the police found indications (alot) that he murdered her. And now all of Namesys' money is spend on defending him. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
Florian Philipp skrev: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 12:57 +0100, Erik wrote: Alan McKinnon skrev: On Friday 15 February 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: ... I wondering where this fs will go now ? It's in the -mm tree since a long time now and AFAIK one or two former namesys employees are still working on it. It's in curse of import in kernel or totally abandonned ? Don't know. Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. And it's highly unlikely that Linus will ever pull it into mainline. The reiser coding style is somewhat ... problematic for kernel devs That would be really bad. What is going on? Who is behind that legal attack on against the free world and Hans? Must be someone who wants to harm us. Is there anything we can do about it? Legal attack on Hans Reiser? Oh, you don't know the story? Okay, short version: Hans is a weird person. And now, his wife disappeared and the police found indications (alot) that he murdered her. And now all of Namesys' money is spend on defending him. What do you mean by Hans is a weird person.? Do you know him personally or did you just read it somewhere? I only saw a video lecture with him talking about namespaces and filesystems (he seemed perfectly normal there at least). And I use his filesystem (reiser3.6), which has worked perfectly for over 3 years on my laptop. How likely is it that he would have committed such a crime? What motive would he have? That sounds like the perfect way to harm the free software community. Make some important person's wife disappear. Is there any organization out there who would do something dirty to harm us if they could get away with it? How trustworthy is the Russian police? Is the Russian legal system working satisfactory? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:47:25 +0100, Erik wrote: And I use his filesystem (reiser3.6), which has worked perfectly for over 3 years on my laptop. How likely is it that he would have committed such a crime? What motive would he have? Isn't that something for the courts to decide, rather than uninformed speculation based on mailing list posts? That sounds like the perfect way to harm the free software community. Make some important person's wife disappear. Is there any organization out there who would do something dirty to harm us if they could get away with it? How trustworthy is the Russian police? Is the Russian legal system working satisfactory? With all due respect to Hans Reiser, and I use his filesystem myself, I don't think his incarceration would significantly harm the OSS community. It's a filesystem, there are plenty of others of comparable quality. Nor does it have anything to do with the Russian legal system, as everything is taking place in the US, where everybody gets as much justice as they can afford. -- Neil Bothwick Octal: (n.) a base-8 counting system designed so that one hand may count upon the fingers of the other. Thumbs are not used, and the index finger is reserved for the 'carry.' signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Friday 15 February 2008, Erik wrote: What do you mean by Hans is a weird person.? Do you know him personally or did you just read it somewhere? I only saw a video lecture with him talking about namespaces and filesystems (he seemed perfectly normal there at least). And I use his filesystem (reiser3.6), which has worked perfectly for over 3 years on my laptop. How likely is it that he would have committed such a crime? What motive would he have? read the lkml archives. read the current blogs about how Hans is conducting himself in a court of law. Read his statements to the police when questioned about his wife's disappearance. Read his defense. Read his website. What comes out of that? Hans Reiser is a typical geek who has a problem seeing the same reality as the rest of the world. It's very common amongst geeks, and we can mostly spot it a mile off. It's not rocket science. I also use ReiserFS-3.6 and it is a very good filesystem. That is one thing. There is this other thing, which is the ability to musrder someone, and that is totally unrelated to the ability to write self-balancing filesystem metadata trees. Any associated opinion between his skill as a coder and the likelyhood of his having murdered or not murdered his wife is an illogical opinion in extreme. That sounds like the perfect way to harm the free software community. Make some important person's wife disappear. You must be new here. Hans Reiser? Important? I don't think so. In the general scheme of things he's about as important as ESR. If you wanted to bring free software into disrepute there are many much more likely targets: Linus, Alan Cox, Ingo, RMS, drobbins, Theo, Andrew M, Patrick V, Miguel, David R. Is there any organization out there who would do something dirty to harm us if they could get away with it? How trustworthy is the Russian police? Is the Russian legal system working satisfactory? Look at the case itself. Hans has a distorted view of reality as seen by the rest of the world. His wife is apparently a bitch of note. That's motive #1. You want a likely suspect for who could have framed him? Try the disappeared wife's current boyfriend. Tons of suspicious actions there - read the court records, it's all in there. This whole court case is entirely explained by human greed and emotion in marital affairs. It is not necessary to involve free software to come to an entirely reasonable explanation, in much the same way that the Enron CEO's hobbies do not feature in the explanation of the collapse of Enron -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
Alan McKinnon написа: On Friday 15 February 2008, Erik wrote: What do you mean by Hans is a weird person.? Do you know him personally or did you just read it somewhere? I only saw a video lecture with him talking about namespaces and filesystems (he seemed perfectly normal there at least). And I use his filesystem (reiser3.6), which has worked perfectly for over 3 years on my laptop. How likely is it that he would have committed such a crime? What motive would he have? read the lkml archives. read the current blogs about how Hans is conducting himself in a court of law. Read his statements to the police when questioned about his wife's disappearance. Read his defense. Read his website. What comes out of that? Hans Reiser is a typical geek who has a problem seeing the same reality as the rest of the world. It's very common amongst geeks, and we can mostly spot it a mile off. It's not rocket science. I also use ReiserFS-3.6 and it is a very good filesystem. That is one thing. There is this other thing, which is the ability to musrder someone, and that is totally unrelated to the ability to write self-balancing filesystem metadata trees. Any associated opinion between his skill as a coder and the likelyhood of his having murdered or not murdered his wife is an illogical opinion in extreme. That sounds like the perfect way to harm the free software community. Make some important person's wife disappear. You must be new here. Hans Reiser? Important? I don't think so. In the general scheme of things he's about as important as ESR. If you wanted to bring free software into disrepute there are many much more likely targets: Linus, Alan Cox, Ingo, RMS, drobbins, Theo, Andrew M, Patrick V, Miguel, David R. Is there any organization out there who would do something dirty to harm us if they could get away with it? How trustworthy is the Russian police? Is the Russian legal system working satisfactory? Look at the case itself. Hans has a distorted view of reality as seen by the rest of the world. His wife is apparently a bitch of note. That's motive #1. You want a likely suspect for who could have framed him? Try the disappeared wife's current boyfriend. Tons of suspicious actions there - read the court records, it's all in there. This whole court case is entirely explained by human greed and emotion in marital affairs. It is not necessary to involve free software to come to an entirely reasonable explanation, in much the same way that the Enron CEO's hobbies do not feature in the explanation of the collapse of Enron Hi, Just a note here, using reiser4 for 4-5 months, no problems so far. Patches are more difficult to find but not that much. More choice is better IMHO. Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Whoo ... Ok I see It's a strange story ... Now I understand why this project seems to be off now ... It's a bad think, this fs seems to be really good, but ... the way it's write is not the same as other kernel module ... so I will ask now in other threat the ext4 status :) Thanks for answer -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHtZO1Eg3iyspSWPARAnxLAJ9toZnnthEbsI4vSL6sJbHwKLXjpQCgiyuV ySKFxMmTDWCwYq/HDqmZ5co= =NqiF -END PGP SIGNATURE- 2008/2/15, Rumen Yotov [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alan McKinnon написа: On Friday 15 February 2008, Erik wrote: What do you mean by Hans is a weird person.? Do you know him personally or did you just read it somewhere? I only saw a video lecture with him talking about namespaces and filesystems (he seemed perfectly normal there at least). And I use his filesystem (reiser3.6), which has worked perfectly for over 3 years on my laptop. How likely is it that he would have committed such a crime? What motive would he have? read the lkml archives. read the current blogs about how Hans is conducting himself in a court of law. Read his statements to the police when questioned about his wife's disappearance. Read his defense. Read his website. What comes out of that? Hans Reiser is a typical geek who has a problem seeing the same reality as the rest of the world. It's very common amongst geeks, and we can mostly spot it a mile off. It's not rocket science. I also use ReiserFS-3.6 and it is a very good filesystem. That is one thing. There is this other thing, which is the ability to musrder someone, and that is totally unrelated to the ability to write self-balancing filesystem metadata trees. Any associated opinion between his skill as a coder and the likelyhood of his having murdered or not murdered his wife is an illogical opinion in extreme. That sounds like the perfect way to harm the free software community. Make some important person's wife disappear. You must be new here. Hans Reiser? Important? I don't think so. In the general scheme of things he's about as important as ESR. If you wanted to bring free software into disrepute there are many much more likely targets: Linus, Alan Cox, Ingo, RMS, drobbins, Theo, Andrew M, Patrick V, Miguel, David R. Is there any organization out there who would do something dirty to harm us if they could get away with it? How trustworthy is the Russian police? Is the Russian legal system working satisfactory? Look at the case itself. Hans has a distorted view of reality as seen by the rest of the world. His wife is apparently a bitch of note. That's motive #1. You want a likely suspect for who could have framed him? Try the disappeared wife's current boyfriend. Tons of suspicious actions there - read the court records, it's all in there. This whole court case is entirely explained by human greed and emotion in marital affairs. It is not necessary to involve free software to come to an entirely reasonable explanation, in much the same way that the Enron CEO's hobbies do not feature in the explanation of the collapse of Enron Hi, Just a note here, using reiser4 for 4-5 months, no problems so far. Patches are more difficult to find but not that much. More choice is better IMHO. Rumen
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 13:47 +0100, Erik wrote: What do you mean by Hans is a weird person.? Do you know him personally or did you just read it somewhere? I only saw a video lecture with him talking about namespaces and filesystems (he seemed perfectly normal there at least). And I use his filesystem (reiser3.6), which has worked perfectly for over 3 years on my laptop. How likely is it that he would have committed such a crime? What motive would he have? That sounds like the perfect way to harm the free software community. Make some important person's wife disappear. Is there any organization out there who would do something dirty to harm us if they could get away with it? How trustworthy is the Russian police? Is the Russian legal system working satisfactory? Yep, I've read it somewhere and I'd wish I could find it. All I can tell you is that it's a really f***ed up story. If it were a movie, you'd say it's worse than your average soap opera, completely unbelievable. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm looking for an alternative to ext2/3. I have put reiser3/4 out because of project seems to be off now ... or not really active I really want an active project. Is they a good fs that is extremly adapted to gentoo system (portage ...) Is they fs that support gzip like reiser4 do ? For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... I want a alternative is ext4 a good alternative ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHtZVGEg3iyspSWPARAiitAJsGb87FwLBPir4a2y9NjSq+0uW9pgCfb7aW ZmCRw4wDqC4b/SBPumKY6kI= =16t6 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] [query] kernel-2.6.24 + ndiswrapper
On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 15:47 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:28:39 +0100 Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I am more interested to get things working. Quality would be my second priority. As I said before, I did not have any problem (unfortunately, I cannot access the hardware now and check the bandwidth issue). I have not yet gotten the new driver to work, though admittedly I didn't have much time to try and so went for ndiswrapper pretty quickly. how did you get ndiswrapper to work? It worked for me for 2.6.23, but not for 2.6.24. I have a BCM4306 and I'm having some trouble getting the kernel driver to work, so I'd like to use ndiswrapper in the mean time. When I load ndiswrapper (yes I've rebuilt it :) I get no wlan0 like I used to. thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Wash: Oh my god, it's grotesque! Oh, and there's something in a jar. --Episode #12, The Message -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
OT: Cheap PS2/USB keyboard/mouse adaptors. WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] slightly OT, laptop for gentoo
On 15 Feb 2008, at 01:21, David Relson wrote: ... Here in Michigan they seem a bit pricey, as well. A single PS/2 to USB adapter is a few dollars but the dual PS/2 to USB Y adapter is $16.00 (or worse). I had hoped to use one with my PS/2 only KVM but the combo doesn't work. I suspect the issue is with the KVM as I have 2 different Y adapters and neither works. Sigh :- Here are these cables for only $5 delivered (worldwide): http://ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4036.htm I have used Ye Olde Ledde Shoppe on a number of occasions and have been very happy with their service. A delivery failed to arrive once I contacted CCnow (the payments processor) and the purchase price was refunded immediately; a replacement order I made with Ledde Shoppe arrived a few days later. These Y-cables are supposed to work with KVMs, but I have only had my KVM a couple of weeks, so haven't gotten around yet to testing thoroughly. My KVM is (apparently) PS2 only, but it does have a PS2 / USB keyboard setting in the configuration menus, so it might be worth playing with that if yours is the same. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 14:36 +0100, Strong Cypher wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm looking for an alternative to ext2/3. I have put reiser3/4 out because of project seems to be off now ... or not really active I really want an active project. Is they a good fs that is extremly adapted to gentoo system (portage ...) Is they fs that support gzip like reiser4 do ? For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... I want a alternative is ext4 a good alternative ? Don't know about ext4 but for portage trees I found ext2 to be faster than everything else I tried (primarily reiserfs3.6). Have you taken a look at XFS or JFS? Concerning online compression I can only think of cramfs (which is read-only) or NTFS (do they support compression by now? I know that I can format a partition and set it to compressed but I've not tried it.) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:36:25 +0100, Strong Cypher wrote: For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... You could use a file, like this, then put ext2 on it. http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Speeding_up_portage#Make_A_Sparse_File_to_create_portage_in -- Neil Bothwick In an atomic war, all men will be cremated equal. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: Is they a good fs that is extremly adapted to gentoo system (portage ...) Huh. Why should somebody write a filesystem with Gentoo portage in mind? Is they fs that support gzip like reiser4 do ? See http://parallel.vub.ac.be/~johan/compFUSEd/, it's an overlay filesystem, so you're not bound to any specific real filesystem. OTOH, harddisks are cheap nowadays. For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... The same is true for reiser3. I want a alternative Well, there are plenty: xfs, jfs, ... is ext4 a good alternative ? ext4 is in early develoment, as are other new filesystems (btrfs for example), so no it isn't (yet, but probably sooner than reiser4). If you're searching something that stores small files efficiently, like reiser3 does, btrfs comes close, if I remember right. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
On 15 Feb 2008, at 05:12, Dale wrote: Dale makes a note of this. Questions: If I buy this card and a SATA hard drive, will I notice faster transfer speed on the drive or will the PCI bus limit it somehow? I currently get 40 to 50 MBs/ sec on my IDE drives. Would this setup be any faster? If you want faster throughput then onboard controllers or PCI-express (PCI-e) are the way to go. I'm not sure how the bandwidth of regular old PCI compares to (i.e. limits) that of an SATA harddrive, but you can come across PCI's performance limitations if using a RAID array. PCI-express has _signifcantly_ more capacity than regular old PCI - I read recently that regular old PCI may be unable to keep up with a gigabit network card that onboard gigbit network ports are faster. I tend to think of PCI-X just as long PCI or only-a-bit-faster-than PCI. It might be (say?) double the speed of short PCI, but it doesn't match PCI-e's several-times (?) performance. PCI-X may be useful when trying to get the best performance out of an older motherboard, or if you're trying to save money by picking up an expensive hardware-RAID card cheaper secondhand, but I would try to avoid investing too much money in it until you've done the maths - a new motherboard / CPU / RAM might even be cheaper faster. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... The same is true for reiser3. I want a alternative Well, there are plenty: xfs, jfs, ... Of the current main four FS's on modern linux, here's a general overview of them: ext3: Older, reliable, stable. You get very good tools support for ext3 (including online resize) and low cpu-usage for the most part but it's slower and less space efficient than more recent fs's. jfs: Better performance than ext3, deals with larger files reasonably well with low cpu usage. Not very commonly used to my knowledge. reiserfs (reiser3): very fast for most operations (the exception being directory creation iirc), especially efficient for dealing with many small files. It has noticeably higher cpu-usage than ext3/jfs. I believe there are also some potential performance bottlenecks on SMP systems as it makes liberal use of the Big Kernel Lock. xfs: high performance, especially when dealing with many large or small files; Gets along very well with raid arrays. Noticeably higher cpu usage than ext3/jfs. IIRC, it aggressively caches its writes so there is a slight possibility of data loss if your power goes out suddenly in the middle of a series of writes (I consider this a very small possibility, it is journalled like the other fs's on this list so the filesystem will still come up in a consistent state, you just may be missing some of the data you were writing). Very good online tools support provided with it. I'm sure someone will jump in to correct me if I've misremembered something. Favorite filesystems can be a bit like Window Manager or favorite Desktop debates. Aaron -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Aaron Clark wrote: Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Freitag, 15. Februar 2008 schrieb ext Strong Cypher: For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... The same is true for reiser3. I want a alternative Well, there are plenty: xfs, jfs, ... Of the current main four FS's on modern linux, here's a general overview of them: ext3: Older, reliable, stable. You get very good tools support for ext3 (including online resize) and low cpu-usage for the most part but it's slower and less space efficient than more recent fs's. jfs: Better performance than ext3, deals with larger files reasonably well with low cpu usage. Not very commonly used to my knowledge. reiserfs (reiser3): very fast for most operations (the exception being directory creation iirc), especially efficient for dealing with many small files. It has noticeably higher cpu-usage than ext3/jfs. I believe there are also some potential performance bottlenecks on SMP systems as it makes liberal use of the Big Kernel Lock. xfs: high performance, especially when dealing with many large or small files; Gets along very well with raid arrays. Noticeably higher cpu usage than ext3/jfs. IIRC, it aggressively caches its writes so there is a slight possibility of data loss if your power goes out suddenly in the middle of a series of writes (I consider this a very small possibility, it is journalled like the other fs's on this list so the filesystem will still come up in a consistent state, you just may be missing some of the data you were writing). Very good online tools support provided with it. I'm sure someone will jump in to correct me if I've misremembered something. Favorite filesystems can be a bit like Window Manager or favorite Desktop debates. Aaron Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV :) In the YMMV category, I've used XFS on pretty much every file server I've had in the last 4-5 years and it's never given me any trouble despite pretty much never having a UPS hooked up and a decent number of power outages. Granted, I never used it on my root filesystem, only storage partitions. Aaron -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] mozilla-firefox not finding plugins in /opt/netscape
I just updated my mozilla-firefox-bin package to the latest and I noticed that it wasn't finding the plugins installed in /opt/netscape/plugins. It was only finding the plugins in /opt/firefox/plugins. I made symlinks to the plugins in /opt/firefox, but I don't remember doing that before to get the flash and helix plugins, and I keep my firefox up to-date. Is there a change in USE flags or something that I missed? -- -M There are 10 kinds of people in this world: Those who can count in binary and those who cannot. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
Stroller wrote: On 15 Feb 2008, at 05:12, Dale wrote: Dale makes a note of this. Questions: If I buy this card and a SATA hard drive, will I notice faster transfer speed on the drive or will the PCI bus limit it somehow? I currently get 40 to 50 MBs/sec on my IDE drives. Would this setup be any faster? If you want faster throughput then onboard controllers or PCI-express (PCI-e) are the way to go. I'm not sure how the bandwidth of regular old PCI compares to (i.e. limits) that of an SATA harddrive, but you can come across PCI's performance limitations if using a RAID array. PCI-express has _signifcantly_ more capacity than regular old PCI - I read recently that regular old PCI may be unable to keep up with a gigabit network card that onboard gigbit network ports are faster. I tend to think of PCI-X just as long PCI or only-a-bit-faster-than PCI. It might be (say?) double the speed of short PCI, but it doesn't match PCI-e's several-times (?) performance. PCI-X may be useful when trying to get the best performance out of an older motherboard, or if you're trying to save money by picking up an expensive hardware-RAID card cheaper secondhand, but I would try to avoid investing too much money in it until you've done the maths - a new motherboard / CPU / RAM might even be cheaper faster. Stroller. So basically I need to build a new rig with newer stuff? I have a old Abit NF7-2.0 mobo right now. I want to build a rig with dual CPUs and all the new stuff. Got to save up some serious cash first tho. Being disabled makes that take a little time. Thanks for the info. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Ok guy thanks for answer ... For my use, mix of ext2/ext3 in partition (lvm) and sparse file could speed up my system ... I think it could not at the same point of reiser4 but support in case of crash could really be better ... Thanks for answer It's not easy to create filesystem that's is perfect for all case I see ... perhaps one day :) (I can dream, or make it) 2008/2/15, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aaron Clark wrote: Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV :) In the YMMV category, I've used XFS on pretty much every file server I've had in the last 4-5 years and it's never given me any trouble despite pretty much never having a UPS hooked up and a decent number of power outages. Granted, I never used it on my root filesystem, only storage partitions. Aaron Good idea not to use it on the / file system. LOL I was using Mandriva for my ex's Mom. After about three or four tries, I went back to reiserfs. It would crash but it would boot right back up again. Nothing lost that I know of. I just never trusted it again. I have also been told, and read elsewhere, that it is a pretty well known thing that it doesn't like power failures. It has its good points tho, which is why I was trying it out. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Aaron Clark wrote: Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV :) In the YMMV category, I've used XFS on pretty much every file server I've had in the last 4-5 years and it's never given me any trouble despite pretty much never having a UPS hooked up and a decent number of power outages. Granted, I never used it on my root filesystem, only storage partitions. Aaron Good idea not to use it on the / file system. LOL I was using Mandriva for my ex's Mom. After about three or four tries, I went back to reiserfs. It would crash but it would boot right back up again. Nothing lost that I know of. I just never trusted it again. I have also been told, and read elsewhere, that it is a pretty well known thing that it doesn't like power failures. It has its good points tho, which is why I was trying it out. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How to avoid NetworkManager logs info in terminals
2008/2/14, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 10:02 -0300, Ale wrote: I get many info lines in the tty1 every time i start NM, the same happend if i add NM service at boot time. I don't like all that output, with a simple Network manager starting [OK] is enough, which i see in the terminal when i manually start the service is ok. What can i do to avoid this? what's wrong with output? can you post the output verbatim? I had a look at the init script and it doesn't seem to print much. The start-stop daemon have the parameter --quiet I double check /etc/rc and the VERBOSE option for this kind of services is off i tried adding a /dev/null at the end of the start-stop daemon call, but didn't work. not quite sure what /dev/null would do. I tried this with net.eth0: sudo /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart /dev/null and it got rid of all the output. To be sure, you could add 21 sudo /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart /dev/null 21 Any clues? Cheers! HTH, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Advertising Rule: In writing a patent-medicine advertisement, first convince the reader that he has the disease he is reading about; secondly, that it is curable. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list This is my tty1 after i start Networkmanager (not net.eth0, which are different services) and connect to a wireless network. The same happend when i bootup my system. I need my tty's to work and plus all thi info is odd and useless NetworkManager: infoaddress 192.168.0.112 NetworkManager: infonetmask 255.255.255.0 NetworkManager: infobroadcast 192.168.0.255 NetworkManager: infogateway 192.168.0.1 NetworkManager: infonameserver 192.168.0.1 NetworkManager: infohostname 'gentoo' NetworkManager: info Activation (eth1) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) scheduled... NetworkManager: info Activation (eth1) Stage 4 of 5 (IP Configure Get) complete. NetworkManager: info Activation (eth1) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) started... NetworkManager: info Setting hostname to 'gentoo' NetworkManager: info Activation (eth1) successful, device activated. NetworkManager: info Activation (eth1) Finish handler scheduled. NetworkManager: info Activation (eth1) Stage 5 of 5 (IP Configure Commit) complete. Cheers, and thank for help us!
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Friday 15 February 2008, Aaron Clark wrote: xfs: high performance, especially when dealing with many large or small files; Gets along very well with raid arrays. Noticeably higher cpu usage than ext3/jfs. IIRC, it aggressively caches its writes so there is a slight possibility of data loss if your power goes out suddenly in the middle of a series of writes (I consider this a very small possibility, it is journalled like the other fs's on this list so the filesystem will still come up in a consistent state, you just may be missing some of the data you were writing). Very good online tools support provided with it. Sigh. So many myths about journalled filesystems, so little time to squash them. ;-) First of all, you are contradicting yourself. First you say you think the possibility of data loss is slight, then you state at the end that some data loss may occur. The second part is right. Data losses are possible. Journalled filesystems do not prevent this. They deal with filesystem consistency. Second, no journalled filesystem in the whole wide world can prevent occurences of inconsisteny in case of a power cut. None, try as they might. Please commit the last two sentences to permanent memory. The reason for this isn't the cache in your computer's ram but the cache in modern harddrives. If the journal change still resides in the harddrive cache while your power cut occurs, bm - inconsistency. There is nothing a filesystem - journalled or not - can do about it. If you are really concerned about data loss and filesystem inconsistencies, use a good journalled fs *and* a small UPS that can shut your box down gracefully in case of a power cut. Uwe -- Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na/ SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Friday 15 February 2008, Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV XFS was designed to be used in environments where the admin is supposed to GUARANTEE zero power outages. SGI built it for their mips machines doing cool stuff like video rendering. If you have a multi-million $ render farm churning out Hollywood's latest blockbuster complete with special effects, it is entirely reasonable to expect that the environment has UPS backup par excellence. So, using XFS on regular pcs without a UPS (or even with those dinky little 10 minute uptime jobs) is a gross misuse of the XFS technology IMNSHO. It simply was not built for that, in almost exactly the same way that Lamborghini did not build the Murcielago so you could nip down to the shops with it and buy a pack of fags... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Stroller wrote: PCI-express has _signifcantly_ more capacity than regular old PCI - I read recently that regular old PCI may be unable to keep up with a gigabit network card that onboard gigbit network ports are faster. PCI = 133mb/sec theoretical. 100mb with a good chipset (ie not nforce). PCIE = 250mb/sec theoretical I tend to think of PCI-X just as long PCI or only-a-bit-faster-than PCI. you think wrong. It might be (say?) double the speed of short PCI, but it doesn't match PCI-e's several-times (?) performance. PCI-X is A LOT faster than PCI, faster than PCIE 1x, 2x http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI-X PCI-X 1.0 = 1GB/sec PCI-X 2 = 2GB/sec -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Friday 15 February 2008, Strong Cypher wrote: Ok guy thanks for answer ... For my use, mix of ext2/ext3 in partition (lvm) and sparse file could speed up my system ... I think it could not at the same point of reiser4 but support in case of crash could really be better ... Assuming you have chosen sane mkfs settings, the largest single file system improvement you could possibly ever make, is to split your filesystem up into various volumes according to their intended role. Like, /home and /var and /usr are separate filesystems. Ever other tweak you will ever make is miniscule in comparison to this one. Mind you, this is EXACTLY how Unix was designed to be used. Funny, that... -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. that is bullshit. If you have ever followed the ml you would now it. And it's highly unlikely that Linus will ever pull it into mainline. The reiser coding style is somewhat ... problematic for kernel devs the problematic coding style was not a problem for XFS. But hey, one of the biggest reiser4 critics is also XFS dev -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: load too high
Neil Bothwick writes: On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:14:22 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote: The cruelty is actually worse: the machines that will benefit most from an OOo compile from source, are those old, low memory, asthmatic boxen, that take two days to complete the emerge! I am tempted to start cross-compiling. I've often used distcc between amd64 and x86 machines, for example, and had no problems (except that not enough is farmed out). Uh, really? I thought I had to setup cross compiling for that. Cool, I can skip that then. You just saved me a lot of trouble, thanks. AFAIR the OOo build won't use distcc. It used to take up to 16 hours on my iBook, with no bin package available. Now it takes 3-4 hours, so runs while I sleep. The binary version clashes too much with KDE. Looking at the ebuild is seems that it disables paralles makes, unless environment variable WANT_MP is set to true. So, I think distcc should work, using the first of the hosts given with distcc-config --set-hosts. Wonko -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: If I recall correctly, he is accused of killing his wife. Since he was the one that was leading the project and he is well, busy, then things have sort of slowed if not stopped all together. Hans was never one of the programmers. He had the vision and paid them. The vision is not needed anymore and at least two of them still continue improving it. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Friday 15 February 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. that is bullshit. If you have ever followed the ml you would now it. It's been languishing in -mm for ages, never mind any progress that namesys itself might make with their own code. In a nutshell, Hans tries to swim upstream with the linux kernel devs. That doesn't work in life, it doesn't work with one's spuse and it won;t work with Linus and the other devs. Just because code is involved doesn't mean that normal human interaction doesn't apply And it's highly unlikely that Linus will ever pull it into mainline. The reiser coding style is somewhat ... problematic for kernel devs the problematic coding style was not a problem for XFS. But hey, one of the biggest reiser4 critics is also XFS dev Reiserfs is designed to fit into the linux kernel, it's the whole total reason for it's existence. XFS on the other hand, was a pre-existing body of code written by SGI for Irix. SGI essentially said to lkml Look, here's this stuff that works on Irix. We think it's cool and we're willing to let you have it. Want it? The kernel devs accepted it knowing full well that the circumstances were entirely different from say ext2/3 and it had to be accepted and used under fundamentally different viewpoints from most of the other stuff in the kernel. Linus was especially sane on this point and refused to be a pedantic git when he said Under no theory of copyright can this ever possibly be considered a derivative work of Linux. It's a classic example of the point where geeks need to realize that humans get involved with stuff like this, and human needs, wants, desires and feelings will always override strict pedantic rules more suitable to cpu code execution. We geeks are very fond of saying that we will accept kernel code based purely on it's merits as code. That frankly, is bullshit. We are LESS susceptible to this than most other occupations but the human element is always present and still has to be accounted for and confronted. Want another example? Jeorg Schilling. The man writes excellent code, but he's an infuriating git that no-one can work with. The hassle of putting up with him is less than the hassle of simply forking his last code where the license is uncontested. Guess which happened. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Friday 15 February 2008, Stefano Negro wrote: Hi,is it possible to convert reiser in ext3? No. Instead create an ext3 filesystem somewhere, mount it, copy the files on the ReiserFS over to the ext3 filesystem. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [query] kernel-2.6.24 + ndiswrapper
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-02-09 at 15:47 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 13:28:39 +0100 Etaoin Shrdlu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I am more interested to get things working. Quality would be my second priority. As I said before, I did not have any problem (unfortunately, I cannot access the hardware now and check the bandwidth issue). I have not yet gotten the new driver to work, though admittedly I didn't have much time to try and so went for ndiswrapper pretty quickly. how did you get ndiswrapper to work? It worked for me for 2.6.23, but not for 2.6.24. I have a BCM4306 and I'm having some trouble getting the kernel driver to work, so I'd like to use ndiswrapper in the mean time. I guess there are some problems with ndiswrapper on kernel-2.4.26. I didn't get ndiswraper worked with kernel-2.4.26. did you tried kernel b43 module ?? Read below links, these may help you. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_BCM43xx http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43?action=showredirect=en%2Fusers%2FDrivers%2Fbcm43xx regards, flukebox When I load ndiswrapper (yes I've rebuilt it :) I get no wlan0 like I used to. thanks, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Wash: Oh my god, it's grotesque! Oh, and there's something in a jar. --Episode #12, The Message -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
Hi,is it possible to convert reiser in ext3? Stefano 2008/2/15, Volker Armin Hemmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hans is accused of murdering his Russian bride wife. Without a body ever found. His son supporting his story (before he was brought to Russia by is grand mother - against court rulings). Oh, and Nina's lover is a serial killer. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Ciao Stblack http://www.linux.it/~stblack -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Odd problem with OpenSSH
Hi list! For some time now, there's a very odd situation: There are two computers, DAU and NOTE. I can use ssh to login from DAU to NOTE but not vice versa. I've played around with several settings before this happened but I'm sure it worked after my last change. Well, ultimately I've unmerged openssh, keychain and denyhosts on both computers and removed /etc/ssh and .ssh in root's and the users' home directories and then reemerged just openssh. Yet, the situation didn't change. Here's what happening: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -vvv DAU OpenSSH_4.7p1-hpn12v19, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to DAU [192.168.2.4] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [EMAIL PROTECTED] tail /var/log/messages [...] Feb 15 19:20:30 DAU sshd[6269]: refused connect from NOTE.xxx (192.168.2.2) I must have missed something, but what? By the way: I can still connect from NOTE to my third PC, SERV. But since SERV and DAU are not on the same net, I cannot try this connection. And yes, I've also used chkrootkit. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Failing to build sane-backends [avoided]
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:34:16 -0600 Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been able to build sane-backends. make[1]: *** No rule to make target `libsane-sane-epson2.la', needed by `all'. Stop. any thoughts? Well, removing all settings for SANE_BACKENDS in my make.conf seems to have avoided the problem. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Failing to build sane-backends [bump]
On Friday 15 February 2008, Dan Farrell wrote: On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:34:16 -0600 Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been able to build sane-backends. make[1]: *** No rule to make target `libsane-sane-epson2.la', needed by `all'. Stop. any thoughts? Curses! My scanner won't scan a thing. Has anyone else been able to successfully build media-gfx/sane-backends lately? I haven't found anything online... Did you read this: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179765 It seems the posters there had errors similar to yours, and the problem is apparently related to missing/unavailable external backends or something like that...one solution *seems* to use SANE_BACKENDS= in make.conf, IIUC. Hope this helps (I have never installed a scanner in Gentoo :-)). -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] fetchmail to procmail (or something) to arbitrary dir?
On Friday 15 February 2008, Michael Higgins wrote: Hello, OT post here, but: I (the office, actually) have this lousy ISP that sells mailboxes limited to 50MB. Whatever, I can't change that just now. I have need to keep all mail in one place... for safekeeping, mostly. 50MB is not enough and I get a quota warning. Those nice people at google have, like so many other problems we used to have, solved this one for you too. It's called gmail and you just forward everything there -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Odd problem with OpenSSH
On Friday 15 February 2008, Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! For some time now, there's a very odd situation: There are two computers, DAU and NOTE. I can use ssh to login from DAU to NOTE but not vice versa. I've played around with several settings before this happened but I'm sure it worked after my last change. Well, ultimately I've unmerged openssh, keychain and denyhosts on both computers and removed /etc/ssh and .ssh in root's and the users' home directories and then reemerged just openssh. Ah. You probably shouldn't have done that, unless you know for a fact that YOU screwed the ssh config up beyond all hope of recovery. Usually, you just sit with the same problem anyway, or make it worse by removing the configs that still work Yet, the situation didn't change. Here's what happening: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -vvv DAU OpenSSH_4.7p1-hpn12v19, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to DAU [192.168.2.4] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [EMAIL PROTECTED] tail /var/log/messages [...] Feb 15 19:20:30 DAU sshd[6269]: refused connect from NOTE.xxx (192.168.2.2) It's not a firewall, xinetd, tcpwrappers or denyhost problem :-) Your connection attempt was received by sshd which denied it. The information you gave is inadequate to answer your question, because I don't know how long a piece of string is. Post the complete contents of /etc/sshd/sshd_config on DAU and we can probably tell you why though -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hans is accused of murdering his Russian bride wife. Without a body ever found. His son supporting his story (before he was brought to Russia by is grand mother - against court rulings). Oh, and Nina's lover is a serial killer. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-embedded] multilib support for cross compiler toolchain
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Suma Sharma wrote: Hi, oh, and never cross-post to mailing lists. this is an embedded question, so gentoo-user is not the forum for such e-mails. -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: Second, no journalled filesystem in the whole wide world can prevent occurences of inconsisteny in case of a power cut. None, try as they might. This is correct. If the journal change still resides in the harddrive cache while your power cut occurs, bm - inconsistency. But this isn't the reason. Harddrives know a flush command which - when properly used by the filesystem (and I guess reiserfs and ext3 use it properly) - forces the journal to be written before the actual change in the main file system occurs. Whence, no loss of consistency. [Of course, there are some harddrives which ignore the flush, but this should be counted as faulty hardware. Of course, on broken hardware, no software can work as it should.] If the power loss occurs *during* flushing the journal (and thus the journal might contain nonsense) the filesystem might still use a checksum over the journal to detect this and thus preserves consistency (although I don't know whether any existing filesystem currently does this). The real problem is that during power cut the harddrive might be writing complete nonsense *somewhere* - this is not related with any caching, and no software can safe you from this problem (and what is even worse is that there is no way to detect it...) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Suggestion: put your Portage and database trees on flash storage. I'd go with one of two routes: a fast USB stick or a quality CompactFlash card. At the moment, the one place I know of to get a quality CF card is NewEgg: they're selling a couple of 266x CF4-compliant cards, Transcend-branded. Addonics will be happy to sell you an adapter (~USD$30) that will go into a spare drive bay and turn the CF card into some really, really fast UDMA storage. (If it's not at least CF3-compliant, your CF storage will still work happily as an IDE hard drive, but it'll do it at PIO transfer rates, and you were looking for speed.) Putting both /usr/portage and /var/db on flash memory pulls it completely off any disk spindles that you'd otherwise have to share with /, or /usr, or whatever other filesystems you're likely to have on magnetic media. A word of warning, either way: don't put a Linux-native filesystem on any kind of flash memory. Wear leveling only works if the memory controller understands the filesystem you're writing to the drive. That means FAT16, or FAT32 if you're lucky. And, yes, I've tried to get information out of Transcend sales on whether or not they sell any products that speak alternative filesystems. I never got an answer back, which I think means, Ha ha ha! *wipes tears* That's funny! Ask another one! I'd ask, say, OCZ, but Transcend manufactured both of my OCZ USB flash drives. Still interested? You'll want about 2GB total: that seems to hold the entire current Portage tree, plus a good-sized /var/db, and leaves something like 500MB free for growth. Get 4GB if you're paranoid; it's cheap anyway. This assumes that you don't store /usr/portage/distfiles on the flash storage. I wouldn't, and didn't: make /usr/portage/distfiles a symlink to somewhere on your magnetic media, and make sure that the new directory (/usr/distfiles in my case) is owned by root:portage so that you can leave FEATURES=userfetch turned on in make.conf. For sanity reasons, you may want to mount your new FAT16/32 filesystem with -o uid=0,gid=0. Or, if you're using FEATURES=userpriv, maybe uid=250,gid=250 (portage:portage on my machine). That all depends on your particular FEATURE flags. On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Strong Cypher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm looking for an alternative to ext2/3. I have put reiser3/4 out because of project seems to be off now ... or not really active I really want an active project. Is they a good fs that is extremly adapted to gentoo system (portage ...) Is they fs that support gzip like reiser4 do ? For exemple , with reiser4 the portage directory don't take a lot of space, and so read it it's really fast... I want a alternative is ext4 a good alternative ? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHtZVGEg3iyspSWPARAiitAJsGb87FwLBPir4a2y9NjSq+0uW9pgCfb7aW ZmCRw4wDqC4b/SBPumKY6kI= =16t6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Odd problem with OpenSSH
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 20:59 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 February 2008, Florian Philipp wrote: Hi list! For some time now, there's a very odd situation: There are two computers, DAU and NOTE. I can use ssh to login from DAU to NOTE but not vice versa. I've played around with several settings before this happened but I'm sure it worked after my last change. Well, ultimately I've unmerged openssh, keychain and denyhosts on both computers and removed /etc/ssh and .ssh in root's and the users' home directories and then reemerged just openssh. Ah. You probably shouldn't have done that, unless you know for a fact that YOU screwed the ssh config up beyond all hope of recovery. Usually, you just sit with the same problem anyway, or make it worse by removing the configs that still work Yet, the situation didn't change. Here's what happening: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ssh -vvv DAU OpenSSH_4.7p1-hpn12v19, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to DAU [192.168.2.4] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/dsl/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [EMAIL PROTECTED] tail /var/log/messages [...] Feb 15 19:20:30 DAU sshd[6269]: refused connect from NOTE.xxx (192.168.2.2) It's not a firewall, xinetd, tcpwrappers or denyhost problem :-) Your connection attempt was received by sshd which denied it. The information you gave is inadequate to answer your question, because I don't know how long a piece of string is. Post the complete contents of /etc/sshd/sshd_config on DAU and we can probably tell you why though Thanks so far. Since there wasn't that much customization, trying vanilla settings from the ebuild didn't sound that bad. At least it didn't make it worse ;). Okay, when I delete every line that's commented out, my sshd-settings read as follows: Protocol 2 PasswordAuthentication no (changing to yes doesn't change anything) UsePAM yes (changing to no doesn't change anything) Subsystem sftp /usr/lib64/misc/sftp-server Useflags: X hpn pam tcpd -X509 -chroot -kerberos -ldap -libedit -selinux -skey -smartcard -static signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 21:05 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: Currently I have 2 partitions, a root and home partition, fortunately on LVM array, I was thinking of splitting them to /, /usr, /var, /home, /usr/portage, /mnt/storage the latter is to be used for Mp3z (around 12000) and movies... I was thinking of having the below filesystem schema: / : ext3 (-j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr: xfs (I never used it so please suggest mkfs.xfs options) /var: // /home : ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr/portage: ReiserFS (3? 4? options??) /mnt/storage: ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) Could you please comment/complete/change the schema above ?? I really would like to speed up my system a little bit, My system is entirely built on LVM array, and LVM is on DM-CRYPT so as you can see it's a quite slow due to the encryption... Oh one last thing, What do you suggest for a server? I have a Gentoo server and uptime can be over 5/6 months, everytime I reboot the server I have to manually scan the filesystem due to errors everywhere, any suggestions?? Thanks... First of all, if there are filesystem errors, check your cables, your controller and your disks. I don't think filesystem errors count as normal behavior ... To your filesystem scheme: Why do you use xfs for usr? AFAIK XFS is good at write speed but not worth the trouble when reading data and data in usr is usually written once, updated every few months and read many times a week (on rebooting Desktop PCs maybe once a day). I'd use reiserfs3.6, maybe even without notail to make it more space efficient. I'd also use ext2 on /usr/portage. These data don't need journaling. Everything's got an MD5-sum to make sure it's unchanged after a crash and you can easily resync. I found ext2 with 2k blocks to be faster than reiserfs3.6, even on read-performance. If I were you, I'd also use separate volumes for /tmp and /var/tmp (without ccache) with xfs. /home could use data=journal. Those data are precious and if I remember correctly, this setting even brings an obscure (i.e. undocumented) speed improvement with many parallel disk accesses, for example in a multi-user environment. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] fetchmail to procmail (or something) to arbitrary dir?
On 21:01 Fri 15 Feb , Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 February 2008, Michael Higgins wrote: Hello, OT post here, but: I (the office, actually) have this lousy ISP that sells mailboxes limited to 50MB. Whatever, I can't change that just now. I have need to keep all mail in one place... for safekeeping, mostly. 50MB is not enough and I get a quota warning. Those nice people at google have, like so many other problems we used to have, solved this one for you too. It's called gmail and you just forward everything there -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list I think he was looking for something local to use, in which case he would need to look up something later on. I would look up some procmail recipes, and if you find a good guide w/ some examples, post them here so the rest of us can share :) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Friday 15 February 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Hans is accused of murdering his Russian bride wife. sigh a bride is someone a man marries. She then becomes his wife. Without a body ever found. His son supporting his story (before he was brought to Russia by is grand mother - against court rulings). Oh, and Nina's lover is a serial killer. Yes I know that, and hinted at it later when I mentioned her current lover and how he was a much more valid target of suspicion than conspiracy theories against FLOSS involving the insert your favourite hated agency here -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Friday 15 February 2008 03:05:13 pm Wael Nasreddine wrote: Hey guys, Currently I have 2 partitions, a root and home partition, fortunately on LVM array, I was thinking of splitting them to /, /usr, /var, /home, /usr/portage, /mnt/storage the latter is to be used for Mp3z (around 12000) and movies... I was thinking of having the below filesystem schema: / : ext3 (-j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr: xfs (I never used it so please suggest mkfs.xfs options) /var: // /home : ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr/portage: ReiserFS (3? 4? options??) /mnt/storage: ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) This is from a very humbled ex-ext3 user... I finally decided to play around with reiserfs a while back and I have to tell you... I'll never go back to ext3 unless I really, really have to. The difference is easy to measure and pleasure once you make the move I've been setting up machines like this... /boot ext2 / reiserfs /home reiserfs /var reiserfs The difference in disk I/O is... nice!! and the reliability is the same as ext3. Untill the cold shoulder for reiser4 is thawed and it gets into the kernel source tree, I'd stay away from it for now however. Cheers. Could you please comment/complete/change the schema above ?? I really would like to speed up my system a little bit, My system is entirely built on LVM array, and LVM is on DM-CRYPT so as you can see it's a quite slow due to the encryption... Oh one last thing, What do you suggest for a server? I have a Gentoo server and uptime can be over 5/6 months, everytime I reboot the server I have to manually scan the filesystem due to errors everywhere, any suggestions?? Thanks... -- From the Desk of: Jerome D. McBride -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-embedded] multilib support for cross compiler toolchain
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Suma Sharma wrote: I am trying to build a glibc based cross compiler toolchain with multilib support. it really isnt supported at the moment. you'll most likely need to manually tweak the build files. -mike signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Failing to build sane-backends [bump]
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:34:16 -0600 Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been able to build sane-backends. make[1]: *** No rule to make target `libsane-sane-epson2.la', needed by `all'. Stop. any thoughts? Curses! My scanner won't scan a thing. Has anyone else been able to successfully build media-gfx/sane-backends lately? I haven't found anything online... -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
This One Time, at Band Camp, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 09:17:11AM -0600: Aaron Clark wrote: Dale wrote: Little addition to XFS, I tried it once a while ago. Every time the power failed, it would never boot again. I can say from personal experience and from what I have read from others, if you plan to use XFS, have a good UPS hooked up. It does not like power failures at all. YMMV :) In the YMMV category, I've used XFS on pretty much every file server I've had in the last 4-5 years and it's never given me any trouble despite pretty much never having a UPS hooked up and a decent number of power outages. Granted, I never used it on my root filesystem, only storage partitions. Aaron Good idea not to use it on the / file system. LOL I was using Mandriva for my ex's Mom. After about three or four tries, I went back to reiserfs. It would crash but it would boot right back up again. Nothing lost that I know of. I just never trusted it again. I have also been told, and read elsewhere, that it is a pretty well known thing that it doesn't like power failures. It has its good points tho, which is why I was trying it out. Dale :-) :-) Hey guys, Currently I have 2 partitions, a root and home partition, fortunately on LVM array, I was thinking of splitting them to /, /usr, /var, /home, /usr/portage, /mnt/storage the latter is to be used for Mp3z (around 12000) and movies... I was thinking of having the below filesystem schema: / : ext3 (-j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr: xfs (I never used it so please suggest mkfs.xfs options) /var: // /home : ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr/portage: ReiserFS (3? 4? options??) /mnt/storage: ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) Could you please comment/complete/change the schema above ?? I really would like to speed up my system a little bit, My system is entirely built on LVM array, and LVM is on DM-CRYPT so as you can see it's a quite slow due to the encryption... Oh one last thing, What do you suggest for a server? I have a Gentoo server and uptime can be over 5/6 months, everytime I reboot the server I have to manually scan the filesystem due to errors everywhere, any suggestions?? Thanks... -- Wael Nasreddine http://wael.nasreddine.com PGP: 1024D/C8DD18A2 06F6 1622 4BC8 4CEB D724 DE12 5565 3945 C8DD 18A2 .: An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs, would never make a good program. (L. Torvalds 1995) :. pgpawJQFt7veu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 15 February 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: Reiser4 will probably die a quiet death now. Without Hans' vision driving it, it will probably do what it's been doing for 18 months - going nowhere. that is bullshit. If you have ever followed the ml you would now it. It's been languishing in -mm for ages, never mind any progress that namesys itself might make with their own code. Edward send this to the reiserfs-ml on the 16 days ago: Current status of Reiser4 (Jan 31, 2008). I. Todo for inclusion: This is an update of the following version: http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:tzvFNZjSsNYJ:pub.namesys.com/Reiser4/ToDo #10,11: Cleanups. There are 74 pending patches prepared by Dushan: http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-develr=1b=200710w=2 which are supposed to be reviewed by another person and pushed to the current -mm as a big single patch _before_ the next portion of cleanups. #3 There is a pending patch to review/merge: http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-develm=119316601418489w=2 #9: I don't see any leaked jref there. Perhaps we need to rewrite this portion of code to make it more clear. #1,2,4: Here we need to explain why the pair igrab/iput (igrab in reiser4_writepage, iput in entd()) won't hummer inode_lock. Actually we need to pin inode for entd, as inode can be reused, or evicted from memory at the moment when entd starts to process the request. Entd is a kernel thread, which performs an active response to every memory pressure notification (writepage). IMHO this is not a good design. Getting rid of entd would address #1,2,4 automatically (currently I am working on this). #5: Here should go detailed comments how do reiser4 respond to memory pressure notification (writepage, see above). If mainline vm experts will be unhappy with this, then, I guess, we'll need eflush back, plus a eflush port for cryptcompress file plugin. Eflush (emergency flush) is a passive response to writepage(), which pushes dirty pages to temporary location on disk. Eflush code for default (unix-file) plugin has been dropped ~1.5 years ago in accordance with Hans' direction in order to stimulate better solutions. #14 Should be marked as not done and needs to be addressed. II. Longterm todo Here are some technical details for the items listed in this document: http://lwn.net/Articles/226251 (see Appendix D, 11.2-11.4). Xattrs support (listed as #12 in the previous todo, but not necessary for inclusion) would be a serious project which requires only knowledges of VFS/Reiser4/Reiser4progs internals. I think that xattrs should be implemented via special reiser4 stat-data extensions. However, currently reiser4 supports only solid stat-data items (an item is solid, if it consists of exactly one unit, i.e. can not be split into two or more mergeable items). It means that amount of information contained in file's xattrs will be restricted by ~4000 bytes (blocksize - size-of-node-header - size-of-item-header - size-of-standard-stat-data-extensions (for i_size, i_mtime, i_ctime, i_mode, etc..)). I don't know if it is enough to integrate reiser4 with Selinux. If not, then we'll need one more stat-data item plugin to support not solid stat-data items. As per encryption support: current reiser4 kernel module and reiser4progs are pretty aware about this, so IMHO we just need an integration with some existing key manager (I would take a look how things are going in eCryptFS). Also we need a fast IV generator for chaining cipher modes. I have proposed a simple one based on iv-seed, which is calculated as object's id (i_ino), but not sure if it is stable against watermark attack. ECC-signatures support should be implemented via a new node41 plugin (i.e. we need to define proper node format and plugin methods that take into account space for per-node signature storage (for example, if we use an adler32 checksum as ECC-signature, then we need 4 bytes per node). Supporting such signatures allows to increase robustness. Currently reiser4 performs data (not metadata) checksumming for files managed by cryptcompress file plugin. However, metadata protection is not a less important feature. I think, that we need something like Reed-Solomon signatures rather then checksums, because all modern hard drives already perform checksumming. I believe there are reasonable GPL's libraries that implement RS-arithmetic which can be interesting for us. All reiser4 documentation has been performed as comments in the source code. Also there are links to some useful stuff: reiser4 transaction design document: http://lwn.net/2001/1108/a/reiser4-transaction.php3 whitepaper: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:EwK-ZBZaSxwJ:www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html Trees in the Reiser4 Filesystem, Part I,II: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6267 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6569 Thanks, Edward.
[gentoo-user] [OT] fetchmail to procmail (or something) to arbitrary dir?
Hello, OT post here, but: I (the office, actually) have this lousy ISP that sells mailboxes limited to 50MB. Whatever, I can't change that just now. I have need to keep all mail in one place... for safekeeping, mostly. 50MB is not enough and I get a quota warning. So, knowing this situation is BS, I thought, what's the quickest and dirtiest way (short of hacking up another perl script) that I can make this just go away, without losing that backup storage? Anyway, I puzzled a bit and decided 'fetchmail' sounds pretty good, pretty much what I want to do here. But, it needs sendmail...?? I don't want a MTA on this box. So, I see 'procmail' is an alternative target. Hmm. I see the process as, getting a quota warning and then running 'fetchmail' as a user. It worked, but not how I want. I got the mail off the server, but now it's in my 'own' .maildir folder. As I will need to set up a dump folder for a bunch of different accounts, this won't do. So, what part did I miss about setting the MAILDIR? For some reason my config selected the 'DEFAULT'. How can I set up multiple procmail targets and choose which one I want based on the .fetchmailrc? (Yeah, I don't want to actually learn procmail rules or anything.) poll pop.lousyfreakinisp.com protocol POP3 user [EMAIL PROTECTED] password job fetchall mda /usr/bin/procmail -d %T Or, is there some other more lightweight brainless set-and-forget way I can approach this? Quota-warning-dumpALLpop3email to local folders one each for six or seven email accounts? Without setting up new users? I don't really even care what the format of the folder is, just that it isn't the multi-gigabyte .pst files everyone else has. Would rcvstore[?] work? Cheers, -- |\ /|| | ~ ~ | \/ ||---| `|` ? ||ichael | |iggins\^ / michael.higgins[at]evolone[dot]org -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Alois Hammer wrote: Suggestion: put your Portage and database trees on flash storage. There is no way I would do that or recommend it to anyone. Those devices have a very, very short life if written to frequently. Portage isn't a big problem because an emerge --sync will restore it - but database trees? You have to be kidding. Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] reiser4 status
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag, 15. Februar 2008, Dale wrote: If I recall correctly, he is accused of killing his wife. Since he was the one that was leading the project and he is well, busy, then things have sort of slowed if not stopped all together. Hans was never one of the programmers. He had the vision and paid them. The vision is not needed anymore and at least two of them still continue improving it. I would assume tho that the people programming have lost their funds and has slowed down their writing. After all, we all have bills to pay. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] ghostscript alternatives
There are three packages: app-text/ghostscript-esp app-text/ghostscript-gnu app-text/ghostscript-gpl Up yesterday I was forced to use app-text/ghostscript-esp as the only having gdi printer driver. Now, with ps-capable printer I can use any of packages. Which and why to use? Andrew -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
This One Time, at Band Camp, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 10:24:55PM +0100: On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 21:05 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: Currently I have 2 partitions, a root and home partition, fortunately on LVM array, I was thinking of splitting them to /, /usr, /var, /home, /usr/portage, /mnt/storage the latter is to be used for Mp3z (around 12000) and movies... I was thinking of having the below filesystem schema: / : ext3 (-j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr: xfs (I never used it so please suggest mkfs.xfs options) /var: // /home : ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) /usr/portage: ReiserFS (3? 4? options??) /mnt/storage: ext3 (-m 0 -j -O dir_index,sparse_super,filetype) (Good mkfs options ??) Could you please comment/complete/change the schema above ?? I really would like to speed up my system a little bit, My system is entirely built on LVM array, and LVM is on DM-CRYPT so as you can see it's a quite slow due to the encryption... Oh one last thing, What do you suggest for a server? I have a Gentoo server and uptime can be over 5/6 months, everytime I reboot the server I have to manually scan the filesystem due to errors everywhere, any suggestions?? Thanks... First of all, if there are filesystem errors, check your cables, your controller and your disks. I don't think filesystem errors count as normal behavior ... I should check that out, thanks To your filesystem scheme: Why do you use xfs for usr? AFAIK XFS is good at write speed but not worth the trouble when reading data and data in usr is usually written once, updated every few months and read many times a week (on rebooting Desktop PCs maybe once a day). I'd use reiserfs3.6, maybe even without notail to make it more space efficient. I don't use XFS, curently I only have / and /home and I want to split it to more smaller partitions, I'm on LVM so it's easy, anyway I'm going with ReiserFS for /usr /var, would you please suggest mkfs.reiserfs options as I have nerver used ReiserFS-3 before (yep 5 years using linux and I've always used ext3...) also You didn't mention /var, would you say ReiserFS-3 is a good choice as well? I'd also use ext2 on /usr/portage. These data don't need journaling. Everything's got an MD5-sum to make sure it's unchanged after a crash and you can easily resync. I found ext2 with 2k blocks to be faster than reiserfs3.6, even on read-performance. I've already made the partition as suggested in [1] I used this command: $ mke2fs -b 1024 -N 20 -m 0 -O dir_index I guess 1K block size would be faster?? If I were you, I'd also use separate volumes for /tmp and /var/tmp (without ccache) with xfs. What did you mean by 'without ccache'? I have ccache and I use it... /home could use data=journal. Those data are precious and if I remember correctly, this setting even brings an obscure (i.e. undocumented) speed improvement with many parallel disk accesses, for example in a multi-user environment. it's done, thanks, BTW what's your home partition FS? your choice is ext3 or reiserFS?? One last thing, since I'm on LVM resizing the partition is a must feature, in ext3 I use resize2fs which works quite nicely, is resize_reiserfs as reliable as resize2fs is?? [1]: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Speeding_up_portage#Make_A_Sparse_File_to_create_portage_in -- Wael Nasreddine http://wael.nasreddine.com PGP: 1024D/C8DD18A2 06F6 1622 4BC8 4CEB D724 DE12 5565 3945 C8DD 18A2 .: An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs, would never make a good program. (L. Torvalds 1995) :. pgpZiQKZT26J8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: PCI = 133mb/sec theoretical. 100mb with a good chipset (ie not nforce). PCIE = 250mb/sec theoretical I think 64-bit 66Mhz PCI will actually do 526Mb/s theoretical maximum ... I can achieve 220Mb/s real I/O bandwidth (4 disk array) on my gear here. (old Supermicro P4TDER). Cheers Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
On 15 Feb 2008, at 15:57, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... I tend to think of PCI-X just as long PCI or only-a-bit-faster-than PCI. you think wrong. ... PCI-X is A LOT faster than PCI, faster than PCIE 1x, 2x Ooops. Hi Volker, My apologies for posting misleadingly my thanks to you for correcting my embarrassingly-incorrect understanding. I think I must've misread 64-bit PCI for PCI-X on this table when I was doing my homework a few weeks ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_device_bandwidths#Computer_buses Looking at the 3ware / AMCC high-end RAID controller cards (which are excellently supported under Linux) I find that the manufacturer seems to currently be abandoning PCI-X for PCIe. Why is this, in the case? I also read that: ... while standard PCI-X (133 MHz 64 bit) and PCIe x4 have roughly the same data transfer rate, PCIe x4 will give better performance if multiple device pairs are communicating simultaneously or if communication within a single device pair is bidirectional. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express#Overview I'd guess that few motherboards have many PCIe x4 and x8 slots, and - apart from graphics cards - few devices utilise them fully. Don't you think, however, that this is likely to become a lot more common in the next couple of years? Are manufacturers currently announcing brand new products based on PCI-X? Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] fetchmail to procmail (or something) to arbitrary dir?
On 15 Feb 2008, at 18:21, Michael Higgins wrote:
...
Anyway, I puzzled a bit and decided 'fetchmail' sounds pretty good,
pretty much what I want to do here. But, it needs sendmail...?? I
don't
want a MTA on this box. So, I see 'procmail' is an alternative target.
Hmm.
I use maildrop here, instead of procmail, and am very happy with it.
In a multiuser system I might use this minimal configuration in each
user's ~/.mailfilter:
MAILBOX=$HOME/.maildir
to ${MAILBOX}
I'm not sure if it's possible to reduce this, set a default global
variable so that it will default to ~/.maildir for all users, or run
without ~/.mailfilter files - I tend to just stick the above in /etc/
skel.
...
I got the mail off the server, but now it's in my 'own' .maildir
folder.
As I will need to set up a dump folder for a bunch of different
accounts, this won't do.
`man fetchmail` is long, perhaps a little difficult to read, but
comprehensive, IME:
Here's what a simple retrieval configuration for a multi-
drop mailbox
looks like:
poll pop.provider.net:
user maildrop with pass secret1 to golux
'hurkle'='happy' snark here
This says that the mailbox of account `maildrop' on the
server is a
multi-drop box, and that messages in it should be parsed for
the server
user names `golux', `hurkle', and `snark'. It further
specifies that
`golux' and `snark' have the same name on the client as on
the server,
but mail for server user `hurkle' should be delivered to
client user
`happy'.
It's usual to use the global /etc/fetchmail file for the user /
password declarations, in this case. This is read when you run
fetchmail using the /etc/init.d/fetchmail script.
Stroller.
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[gentoo-user][Query] Netowork Manager
Hi, I have a query about network manager. Network manager is rewriting (actually putting blank there) my resolv.conf everytime it reconnected to some network by eth0. I want to avoid rewriting my resolv.conf. Can i do so ? if yes then how ? thanks and regards, flukebox
Re: OT: Cheap PS2/USB keyboard/mouse adaptors. WAS: Re: [gentoo-user] slightly OT, laptop for gentoo
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:45:58 + Stroller wrote: On 15 Feb 2008, at 01:21, David Relson wrote: ... Here in Michigan they seem a bit pricey, as well. A single PS/2 to USB adapter is a few dollars but the dual PS/2 to USB Y adapter is $16.00 (or worse). I had hoped to use one with my PS/2 only KVM but the combo doesn't work. I suspect the issue is with the KVM as I have 2 different Y adapters and neither works. Sigh :- Here are these cables for only $5 delivered (worldwide): http://ledshoppe.com/Product/com/CA4036.htm I have used Ye Olde Ledde Shoppe on a number of occasions and have been very happy with their service. A delivery failed to arrive once I contacted CCnow (the payments processor) and the purchase price was refunded immediately; a replacement order I made with Ledde Shoppe arrived a few days later. These Y-cables are supposed to work with KVMs, but I have only had my KVM a couple of weeks, so haven't gotten around yet to testing thoroughly. My KVM is (apparently) PS2 only, but it does have a PS2 / USB keyboard setting in the configuration menus, so it might be worth playing with that if yours is the same. Stroller. I'm willing to gamble $5 on a company I've never heard of. If it works with my KVM it'll be great (and I'll be able to return the $16 cable that doesn't work). Even if it just works with my keyboard and mouse I'll be able to return the cable. How can I lose??? David -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 00:32 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: To your filesystem scheme: Why do you use xfs for usr? AFAIK XFS is good at write speed but not worth the trouble when reading data and data in usr is usually written once, updated every few months and read many times a week (on rebooting Desktop PCs maybe once a day). I'd use reiserfs3.6, maybe even without notail to make it more space efficient. I don't use XFS, curently I only have / and /home and I want to split it to more smaller partitions, I'm on LVM so it's easy, anyway I'm going with ReiserFS for /usr /var, would you please suggest mkfs.reiserfs options as I have nerver used ReiserFS-3 before (yep 5 years using linux and I've always used ext3...) also You didn't mention /var, would you say ReiserFS-3 is a good choice as well? I don't think there's alot to do when creating a reiserfs. You could change the number of blocks for the journal. A bigger journal allows larger transactions which speed up write actions but might waste space. If you've got a second hard drive you could use an external journal but I've never done any benchmarking on that issue although I use it on my personal wannabe server (a raid1 and a single disk for the journal and unimportant data). I didn't comment on /var because I don't know how you use it. I suspect it to hold alot of temporal data like lock files, spools and so on. So there's a lot of creating and removing files going on, possibly in parallel. XFS is good in parallel and in creating files but terrible in removing files. Reiserfs with notail seems a good choice if you ask me (what you did ;) ) I'd also use ext2 on /usr/portage. These data don't need journaling. Everything's got an MD5-sum to make sure it's unchanged after a crash and you can easily resync. I found ext2 with 2k blocks to be faster than reiserfs3.6, even on read-performance. I've already made the partition as suggested in [1] I used this command: $ mke2fs -b 1024 -N 20 -m 0 -O dir_index I guess 1K block size would be faster?? I'm not sure. 2K blocks might reduce fragmentation. If you look at the output of find /usr/portage/ -type f | xargs du -h --apparent-size you'll see that there are quiet a few files larger than 1K but most are smaller and might stay that small. So yes, I think 1K is a good choice but you won't loose much with 2K, maybe you even gain some speed. If I were you, I'd also use separate volumes for /tmp and /var/tmp (without ccache) with xfs. What did you mean by 'without ccache'? I have ccache and I use it... I meant that you should keep ccache on a separate partition. I just think: Less stuff in the FS, less work on allocation and lookup, more speed. And there's a lot of stuff in 2GB ccache. By the way: I don't think /var/tmp is a good place for ccache (not technically, just for the sake of layout). I've moved it to /var/db since it's not really a bunch of temporary data but more like a changing database. /home could use data=journal. Those data are precious and if I remember correctly, this setting even brings an obscure (i.e. undocumented) speed improvement with many parallel disk accesses, for example in a multi-user environment. it's done, thanks, BTW what's your home partition FS? your choice is ext3 or reiserFS?? I use reiserfs3.6 without notail but that doesn't mean that it would be a good choice for you. I'm on laptop and disk space efficiency is a big topic for me so I use tail-packing wherever suitable. And yes, I am a fan of ReiserFS-3.6. I think it's the best multipurpose FS. You can easily adapt it for high performance or high disk space efficiency. If its journaling would be as good as Ext3's data=journal I'd use it everywhere except for small partitions (ext2) and big files (ext3 and xfs). One last thing, since I'm on LVM resizing the partition is a must feature, in ext3 I use resize2fs which works quite nicely, is resize_reiserfs as reliable as resize2fs is?? Yes, it's just as good and the sky's the limit for resizing :) Oh, by the way: If you choose to use XFS somewhere, keep in mind that you can't shrink and XFS-FS. Neither online nor offline. One last thing: It's a bit old but I think it's still interesting, especially for XFS-users: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1479435 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
Wear leveling. Second UFD for occasional backup. Am I missing something, or does Portage only *write* to the database when you're [em,un]merging? If so, I don't see that there's much to worry about, even if you *are* running pure ~x86, and using overlays, like I am. The only real drawback I see is that UFDs are sufficiently stupid -- thanks, USB standards committee! -- that there's no way to interrogate them to get a report on sector wear. On Feb 15, 2008 5:06 PM, Neil Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alois Hammer wrote: Suggestion: put your Portage and database trees on flash storage. There is no way I would do that or recommend it to anyone. Those devices have a very, very short life if written to frequently. Portage isn't a big problem because an emerge --sync will restore it - but database trees? You have to be kidding. Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for PCI-X external SATA controller
I wrote: I think 64-bit 66Mhz PCI will actually do 526Mb/s theoretical maximum ... I can achieve 220Mb/s real I/O bandwidth (4 disk array) on my gear here. (old Supermicro P4TDER). Actually, doing the calculation properly gets 508 MB/s (532 MB/s is often quoted, but that is using 1000 instead of 1024 bytes to the Mbyte). For the interested: 32-bit 33.33 Mhz PCI bus can transfer 32*33.33*100/(8*1024*1024) = 127 MB/s 32-bit 66.66 MHz PCI bus can transfer 32*66.66*100/(8*1024*1024) = 254 MB/s 64-bit 66.66 MHz PCI bus can transfer (skip obvious calc now) 508 MB/s Clearly PCI-X with its 100, 133.33 and 266.66 MHz variants will get you 763, 1017 and 2034 MB/s. Cheers Mark P.S : also typo'ed the machine - is a P3TDER... -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: autounmask fails
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:25:12 +0100, Thomas Kahle wrote: [...] Is your Portage recent ? If not, try to upgrade to at least 2.1 The Message is misleading, should be: Package canno be installed instead of Package is masked It did finally install. Thank you, though. -Thufir -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
I personally prefer JFS to XFS and have used it for years on my servers and laptop with no problem other than hardware errors (and if the hardware fails the fs will not help you). I had system board problems in the laptop and a bad RAID controller in the server this last year :(. Other than that I always recovered from outages with a journal-replay. Your plan looks rational except I wouldn't use ext3 for storing video - it's slow when deleting large files and large numbers of files - xfs or jfs would be better. For that matter you may care to split your video and mp3 storage because mp3's are small and videos are usually large. If your videos are generally uniform (like on mythtv, allocated in half-hour multiples) storing them all in a filesystem of their own will reduce fragmentation. If you're doing write-once it doesn't matter so much, but if you delete things a lot it's more important to performance. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: ruby gems versus emerge
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:50:28 +0100, Thomas Pani wrote: Are gems supposed to be installed via emerge? Yes. There's a gems eclass that handles installing gems, making gems-ebuils fairly easy. Have a look at, for example, the dev-ruby/camping ebuild. Oh, and there's an ebuild request (bug #209319) for dev-ruby/fastercsv, including an ebuild submission. Just get it and put it in your local overlay (or set one up, if you haven't already) . I'll take a look at that, thank you :) -Thufir -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge ruby fails
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:42:24 +0100, Lowe Schmidt wrote:
It's not the topmost build error, above that.
After mucking about with revdep-rebuild, I did get ruby installed, but
get:
Emerging (7 of 7) dev-ruby/rails-2.0.2 to /
[...]
Install rails-2.0.2 into /var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/rails-2.0.2/image/
category dev-ruby
ERROR: While executing gem ... (RuntimeError)
Error instaling /var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/rails-2.0.2/distdir/
rails-2.0.2:
rails requires rake = 0.7.2
*
* ERROR: dev-ruby/rails-2.0.2 failed.
* Call stack:
*ebuild.sh, line 1701: Called dyn_install
*ebuild.sh, line 1138: Called qa_call 'src_install'
*ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_install
* rails-2.0.2.ebuild, line 29: Called gems_src_install
* gems.eclass, line 66: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* gem install ${GEM_SRC} --version ${PV} ${myconf} \
* --local --install-dir ${D}/${GEMSDIR} || die gem
install failed
* The die message:
* gem install failed
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
if relevant.
* A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/
rails-2.0.2/temp/build.log'.
*
* Messages for package dev-ruby/rails-2.0.2:
*
* ERROR: dev-ruby/rails-2.0.2 failed.
* Call stack:
*ebuild.sh, line 1701: Called dyn_install
*ebuild.sh, line 1138: Called qa_call 'src_install'
*ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_install
* rails-2.0.2.ebuild, line 29: Called gems_src_install
* gems.eclass, line 66: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* gem install ${GEM_SRC} --version ${PV} ${myconf} \
* --local --install-dir ${D}/${GEMSDIR} || die gem
install failed
* The die message:
* gem install failed
*
* If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack
if relevant.
* A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/dev-ruby/
rails-2.0.2/temp/build.log'.
*
* GNU info directory index is up-to-date.
arrakis ~ #
arrakis ~ #
I would just like to try to avoid emerge world if possible :(
-Thufir
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[gentoo-user] RE: BT8x8
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'm having a somewhat similar issue with the BT878 card I have in my gentoo box. Here are pastebin results of varius infomation, hope I give all the necessary info. dmesg - http://rafb.net/p/MVIiSg62.html xorg.conf - http://rafb.net/p/dXz4Ry49.html Xorg.0.log - http://rafb.net/p/LbPBZT56.html xawtv gives me a window and when I right click, I can choose what format and region and all that jazz, but I get no picture. tvtime produces the following error: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ tvtime Running tvtime 1.0.2. Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml Reading configuration from /home/xaero/.tvtime/tvtime.xml xvoutput: No XVIDEO port found which supports YUY2 images. *** tvtime requires hardware YUY2 overlay support from your video card *** driver. If you are using an older NVIDIA card (TNT2), then *** this capability is only available with their binary drivers. *** For some ATI cards, this feature may be found in the experimental *** GATOS drivers: http://gatos.souceforge.net/ *** If unsure, please check with your distribution to see if your *** X driver supports hardware overlay surfaces. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ tvtime-scanner now that made my heart jump ... cause it scanned and stored all my basic cable channels. But I still can't get a video signal. So I am obviously missing something. So hopefully someone can help me - -- # # NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail and any attachments to it may # # contain privileged and confidential information from XaeroLimit # # Industries or its affiliates. This information is only for the viewing # # or use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, # # you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use # # of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, the information # # contained in this e-mail, or any of the attachments to this e-mail, # # is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, # # please immediately notify the sender by replying to this message and # # delete it from your system. # # -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtmGA8hUIAnGfls4RAqa0AJ4yKk9fRgK6s/FWWoSjPcbWdKZuVgCeIIn7 7FQvdTfct1IPhj0WoVkA5Qs= =gTAm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Ext4 status - Alternative to ext2/3 for gentoo portage and more
This One Time, at Band Camp, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 01:50:04AM +0100: On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 00:32 +0100, Wael Nasreddine wrote: To your filesystem scheme: Why do you use xfs for usr? AFAIK XFS is good at write speed but not worth the trouble when reading data and data in usr is usually written once, updated every few months and read many times a week (on rebooting Desktop PCs maybe once a day). I'd use reiserfs3.6, maybe even without notail to make it more space efficient. I don't use XFS, curently I only have / and /home and I want to split it to more smaller partitions, I'm on LVM so it's easy, anyway I'm going with ReiserFS for /usr /var, would you please suggest mkfs.reiserfs options as I have nerver used ReiserFS-3 before (yep 5 years using linux and I've always used ext3...) also You didn't mention /var, would you say ReiserFS-3 is a good choice as well? I don't think there's alot to do when creating a reiserfs. You could change the number of blocks for the journal. A bigger journal allows larger transactions which speed up write actions but might waste space. If you've got a second hard drive you could use an external journal but I've never done any benchmarking on that issue although I use it on my personal wannabe server (a raid1 and a single disk for the journal and unimportant data). I didn't comment on /var because I don't know how you use it. I suspect it to hold alot of temporal data like lock files, spools and so on. So there's a lot of creating and removing files going on, possibly in parallel. XFS is good in parallel and in creating files but terrible in removing files. Reiserfs with notail seems a good choice if you ask me (what you did ;) ) I'd also use ext2 on /usr/portage. These data don't need journaling. Everything's got an MD5-sum to make sure it's unchanged after a crash and you can easily resync. I found ext2 with 2k blocks to be faster than reiserfs3.6, even on read-performance. I've already made the partition as suggested in [1] I used this command: $ mke2fs -b 1024 -N 20 -m 0 -O dir_index I guess 1K block size would be faster?? I'm not sure. 2K blocks might reduce fragmentation. If you look at the output of find /usr/portage/ -type f | xargs du -h --apparent-size you'll see that there are quiet a few files larger than 1K but most are smaller and might stay that small. So yes, I think 1K is a good choice but you won't loose much with 2K, maybe you even gain some speed. If I were you, I'd also use separate volumes for /tmp and /var/tmp (without ccache) with xfs. What did you mean by 'without ccache'? I have ccache and I use it... I meant that you should keep ccache on a separate partition. I just think: Less stuff in the FS, less work on allocation and lookup, more speed. And there's a lot of stuff in 2GB ccache. By the way: I don't think /var/tmp is a good place for ccache (not technically, just for the sake of layout). I've moved it to /var/db since it's not really a bunch of temporary data but more like a changing database. /home could use data=journal. Those data are precious and if I remember correctly, this setting even brings an obscure (i.e. undocumented) speed improvement with many parallel disk accesses, for example in a multi-user environment. it's done, thanks, BTW what's your home partition FS? your choice is ext3 or reiserFS?? I use reiserfs3.6 without notail but that doesn't mean that it would be a good choice for you. I'm on laptop and disk space efficiency is a big topic for me so I use tail-packing wherever suitable. And yes, I am a fan of ReiserFS-3.6. I think it's the best multipurpose FS. You can easily adapt it for high performance or high disk space efficiency. If its journaling would be as good as Ext3's data=journal I'd use it everywhere except for small partitions (ext2) and big files (ext3 and xfs). One last thing, since I'm on LVM resizing the partition is a must feature, in ext3 I use resize2fs which works quite nicely, is resize_reiserfs as reliable as resize2fs is?? Yes, it's just as good and the sky's the limit for resizing :) Oh, by the way: If you choose to use XFS somewhere, keep in mind that you can't shrink and XFS-FS. Neither online nor offline. One last thing: It's a bit old but I think it's still interesting, especially for XFS-users: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1479435 Thank you for your detailed answer it helped a lot, I just finished resizing/migrating all partitions, Though I still have the Storage partition, which is for my Mp3z and is almost 70Gb, with ext3, I'll see later if I do migrate to ReiserFS or not but the rest is done, please take a look at the file attached... and if you have any more suggestions please do tell me. Thanks a lot guys -- Wael Nasreddine http://wael.nasreddine.com PGP: 1024D/C8DD18A2 06F6 1622 4BC8
Re: [gentoo-user] Odd problem with OpenSSH
Try adding a: LogLevel VERBOSE or LogLevel DEBUG to /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarting the ssh server, and see if it gives you any more info.
[gentoo-user] Error compiling sys-power/powersave
Hello, I'm trying to compile powersave but I'm getting an error related to some conflicts in files, the files belongs to sys-libs/glibc-2.7-r1 it seems that soneone else[1] has the same issue as I have, too bad it's just a pastebin I got from google, I couldn't find the source. build log and 'paludis --info powersave' are attached Thank you. [1]: http://pastebin.ca/902631 -- Wael Nasreddine http://wael.nasreddine.com PGP: 1024D/C8DD18A2 06F6 1622 4BC8 4CEB D724 DE12 5565 3945 C8DD 18A2 .: An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs, would never make a good program. (L. Torvalds 1995) :. Building target list... Building dependency list... These packages will be installed: * sys-power/powersave [N 0.14.0] target Powersave Daemon -doc Total: 1 package (1 new) Use flags: * doc: Adds extra documentation (API, Javadoc, etc) (1 of 1) Installing sys-power/powersave-0.14.0:0::gentoo Checking 'powersave-0.14.0.tar.bz2'... ok [32;01m[0m Running ebuild phase prepare as root:root... [32;01m[0m Starting builtin_prepare [32;01m[0m Done builtin_prepare [32;01m[0m Completed ebuild phase prepare [32;01m[0m Running ebuild phases init saveenv as paludisbuild:paludisbuild... [32;01m[0m Starting builtin_init [32;01m[0m Done builtin_init [32;01m[0m Starting builtin_saveenv [32;01m[0m Done builtin_saveenv [32;01m[0m Completed ebuild phases init saveenv [32;01m[0m Running ebuild phases loadenv setup saveenv as root:root... [32;01m[0m Starting builtin_loadenv [32;01m[0m Done builtin_loadenv [32;01m[0m Starting pkg_setup [32;01m[0m Done pkg_setup [32;01m[0m Starting builtin_saveenv [32;01m[0m Done builtin_saveenv [32;01m[0m Completed ebuild phases loadenv setup saveenv [32;01m[0m Running ebuild phases loadenv unpack compile saveenv as paludisbuild:paludisbuild... [32;01m[0m Starting builtin_loadenv [32;01m[0m Done builtin_loadenv [32;01m[0m Starting src_unpack Unpacking powersave-0.14.0.tar.bz2 to /mnt/storage/Gentoo-System/paludis_builddir/sys-power/powersave-0.14.0/work tar jxf /mnt/storage/Gentoo-System/distfiles/powersave-0.14.0.tar.bz2 --no-same-owner [35;01m*[0m Applying plugdev_access.patch ... [A[73G [35;01m[ [35;01mok[35;01m ][0m [32;01m[0m Done src_unpack [32;01m[0m Starting src_compile econf: updating /mnt/storage/Gentoo-System/paludis_builddir/sys-power/powersave-0.14.0/work/powersave-0.14.0/config.guess with /usr/share/gnuconfig/config.guess econf: updating /mnt/storage/Gentoo-System/paludis_builddir/sys-power/powersave-0.14.0/work/powersave-0.14.0/config.sub with /usr/share/gnuconfig/config.sub ./configure --prefix=/usr --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --datadir=/usr/share --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var/lib --with-gnome-bindir=/usr/bin --with-kde-bindir=/bin --disable-docs --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for gawk... gawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++... i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ checking for C++ compiler default output file name... a.out checking whether the C++ compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... yes checking whether i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ accepts -g... yes checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++... gcc3 checking for i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc... i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc accepts -g... yes checking for i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking dependency style of i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc... gcc3 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether ln -s works... yes checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... (cached) yes checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /usr/libexec/paludis/utils/sed checking for egrep... grep -E checking for ld used by i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc... /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld checking if the linker (/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes checking for /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu-nm -B checking how to recognise dependent libraries... pass_all checking how to run the C preprocessor... i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -E checking for ANSI C header files... yes checking for sys/types.h... yes checking for sys/stat.h... yes checking for stdlib.h... yes checking for string.h... yes checking for memory.h... yes checking for strings.h... yes checking for inttypes.h... yes checking for stdint.h... yes checking for
