Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: (snip) With wikipedia, everybody can go and edit what they want, when they want, where they want. Agreed. But that's also a good thing about it. Anybody can *correct* what they want, when they want, where they want. Why do you think people will always try to be destructive. No only a few are rest want to be constructive and at every chance they get they'll correct it. This is a proven fact as demonstrated by the Free Software Movement. Security.. Ringing Bells? Why don't you google? Hidden vandalism and misinformation are known problems. Are these known problems only with Wikipedia? I think not. And when a problem has been identified it can always be solved. The Linus's law Given enough eyeballs, all errors are shallow hold good to Wikipedia also. There are even cases, where someone corrected an article, and an admin undid the corrections, because people are not allowed to edit their biographies. Even if there are blatant lies and errors. Well if he can't edit it, someone else will always do it. Come on how many people read and at the same time audit the articles. You can use http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Main_Page Referring to wikitruth for facts about wikipedia reminds me of Microsoft's Get the Facts page. They both contain article which show their positions as truth while ignoring all other facts which contradict their claims. Why don't you check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wilki/wikipedia It also has criticism about wikipedia and all other facts about it. If you think something is wrong or inaccurate with the article, please use the power given to you and correct it. Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) Check Out : http://gentooisbest.blogspot.com pgpZrBqU31kPI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Sunday April 30 2006 16:50, David Morgan wrote:
On 02:04 Mon 01 May , Farhan Ahmed wrote:
Jeff Rollin wrote:
I didn't say DG_DISABLE_DEBUG was a USE flag, I said it was a CFLAG.
And it improves the speed of KDE applications too
Read your earlier post.. Anyway where is this CFLAGS 'DG_DISABLE_DEBUG'
documented? I cant find any reference to it in man gcc. No usable
results came up when i googled it..
$cat example.c
#include stdio.h
#ifdef FISH
#define A 1
#endif
int main()
{
if (A == 1)
printf(fish!\n);
}
$ gcc -DFISH example.c -o example
$ ./example
fish!
$ gcc example.c -o example
example.c: In function ‘main’:
example.c:9: error: ‘A’ undeclared (first use in this function)
example.c:9: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
example.c:9: error: for each function it appears in.)
(a fairly contrived example, I know)
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Interesting... I'm still a little bit paranoid about adding this to make.conf,
though. Can anybody think of a reason why I wouldn't want to add it?
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On 5/3/06, The Slash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting... I'm still a little bit paranoid about adding this to make.conf, though. Can anybody think of a reason why I wouldn't want to add it? Um, yes, as I have said twice in this thread alreadyG_DISABLE_DEBUG DOESNT DO ANYTHING -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 10:50 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 08:47 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is (AFAIK) just a layer below TCP/IP. Wrong. Besides: just a layer below TCP/IP makes no sense. TCP/IP is a protocol family. Two of those members are IPv4 and IPv6. Now, what's just a layer below TCP/IP supposed to mean? I didn't know. Aha. If you don't know, why are you then making suggestions? I'm not a network programmer. Me neither. And there's no need to be one. I wouldn't remove it if I were you. Why not? Why leave in things, which are not needed and which are known to possibly cause problems? For me the Why not? is the part that I can't answer. I don't know what it does, therefore I don't mess around with it. And because of that, you're contradicting? Furthermore, I have never heard of it causing problems. Well, you don't read much, do you? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. I don't see how that would help anything. It would help, if the problem is on his side, caused by bad settings in his profile. If everything's faster with a blank profile, he knows for sure, that the problems were caused by his old profile. I've never *ever* heard of a profile being corrupted. Okay, you actually do not read much. I'm rather active in the german Mozilla newsgroups, and the far majority of problems is caused by profile issues. But why are you saying: I don't see how that would help anything.? I'd be very surprised if that's the case. I wouldn't be. Nonetheless, it is a good idea, Yep. if a bit debatable No, not at all. It's the first step. If something's broken, reset it to a known good state. And that's what a blank profile is. Alexander Skwar -- If your bread is stale, make toast. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 10:57 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 05:59 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. This is something like the third time you've suggested this. You counted? :) Not really. Aha. Why are you then giving an exact number? Please explain how this will help. I'm serious: I don't see how this could help. My assumption: Problem is caused by bad settings, which includes extensions or themes. If problem goes away with a new/blank profile, we know where the problem is. Yes, I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that the profile is the problem. Okay. What's the ground for your reasoning? As I wrote a few moments ago, my basis is, that I'm quite active in the German Mozilla newsgroups and thus see how often a blank profile solves problems. What about you? I've never heard of a profile causing a problem in my life. Well, that's obviously because you don't read much. I could be wrong, I wouldn't wonder. but I'm still skeptical nonetheless. Why? You're a very strange person. But that's to be expected by people with such a cool nickname. Alexander Skwar -- If rabbits' feet are so lucky, what happened to the rabbit? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 11:03 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 07:55 am, Justin Patrin wrote: On 4/30/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: (I hate HTML mailand I hate Outlook even more.) Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the universe. They are not. Lotus Notes beats them to that. Ouch. You sure you want to be handing out a judgement of that magnitude like that? Yes, I am sure. Well, my statement is at least true reg. Notes 5. I do not know Notes 6 or newer. They might have changed Notes and made it better. It'd take quite a bit to be worse than Outlook. That's not so hard, as Outlook isn't so bad. No, it's certainly not one of the better clients, but it's just not the worst MUA on earth. They're too slow Not really. You must not have used them. I do. Everyday. I have. I doubt that. They are. End of story. Yep. End of story. Outlook isn't the worst MUA on earth. and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING other than MS Exchange server Wrt. Outlook Express, that's plain wrong. And wrt. Outlook: It's wrong as well. Outlook CAN interface IMAP servers. But you'll lose all the benefits of Outlook in this case. I said that they can't interface with non-MS Exchange servers withour throwing a Royal Temper Tantrum. Yes, that's what you wrote. Whatever you mean with that. They do not like POP. As far as Outlook Express is concerned: You're wrong. They like IMAP even less. Interesting. Please tell that my Outlook, which is using an (additional) IMAP server just fine. Plus, of all the HTML-sending mail clients, Outlook is the worst! It makes the biggest, most bloated HTML I've ever seen! Okay, that's quite possibly true, yes. But, actually, HTML code quality isn't something I care much about at all Alexander Skwar -- Nurse Donna:Oh, Groucho, I'm afraid I'm gonna wind up an old maid. Groucho:Well, bring her in and we'll wind her up together. Nurse Donna:Do you believe in computer dating? Groucho:Only if the computers really love each other. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 11:14 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:21 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we used today. To find out, I asked OP to create a blank profile. I also assume a local problem at his side. OP should simply create a new profile and report back. Alexander Skwar PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. I used the GMail web interface for a long time and it defaulted to plain text for me. This might be correct. However on new accounts, HTML is used. If you don't believe me, simply create a new account, and you'll see. I'm not contending with you there. Well, but you are contradiciting what I say. So, yes, in a sense, you ARE contending with me. Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)? Why not, Makes mails larger, without adding anything useful (normally). Further, it makes mails a bit harder to read and harder to quote. At this point I'm inclined to think you're using an inferior mail client. Aha, why's that? KMail works just fine with HTML. What are you using? Thunderbird - as you can see in the header of my mails. eg. the mail which I quoted: In HTML, it's about 1179 bytes. In text/plain, it is 729 bytes. And actually, the HTML caused overhead is even more, as the 2nd MIME part (the HTML part) caused additional headers to be added. Those are an additional 378 bytes. Yah, I agree with you that it's unnecessarily wasting space to use HTML. That's why I don't use it. However, I don't think it's right or polite to start harrassing people for using it. Yes, it is. It is, as HTML posters are making other people receive the HTML junk, even if those receivers do not want that. It's just plain arrogant and, yes, it is most certainly okay to harras arrogant egoists. if it irks you so much, make a script that will change RTF/HTML to Plaintext? That's not a useful advice. I'd have to accept the (normally) uselessly bloated mail first and then strip it. Makes no sense. No, you're not thinking! Yes, I am. The mailing list server receives a email in HTML. That's not what you wrote. You suggested, that I make a script. This script can only run on a system which I control. Convert the HTML to plaintext. And overwrite a text/plain part? Besides: See why it's arrogant of those HTML users to send mails in HTML? They are making other people have to think about writing programs, so that the mails can be converted. That's not necessary if people would just use text/plain mails. Alexander Skwar -- No poet or novelist wishes he was the only one who ever lived, but most of them wish they were the only one alive, and quite a number fondly believe their wish has been granted. -- W.H. Auden, The Dyer's Hand -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Hi, On Fri, 05 May 2006 08:22:29 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 11:03 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the universe. They are not. Lotus Notes beats them to that. Ouch. You sure you want to be handing out a judgement of that magnitude like that? Yes, I am sure. Well, my statement is at least true reg. Notes 5. I do not know Notes 6 or newer. They might have changed Notes and made it better. Ahem, not really better. Well, a bit. But judging Notes for its eMail qualities is like judging MS Word for its abilities as a programmer's editor. Notes _has_ its worth, too, and has some very interesting features, namely the configurable database replication to the client. Especially the offline capabilities are pretty good. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If you
want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.
According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden is recommended especially for KDE users..
Atleast while KDE it does not effect and is indeed recommended..
MAKEOPTS=
MAKEOPTS=-j2
-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling is
running in the background.
No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read
MAKEOPTS section in:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=5#doc_chap5
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=
Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf
LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common
are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags bring
anything, that can not be archived with prelink?
Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else to
use them.-
Honestly I think I was wrong in recommending this.. But during the
emerge process of some packages there's a suggestion to use at least a
part of the LDFLAGS quoted above.. It's like a security warning.. I
decided to use these flags after reading a lot about them in Gentoo
forms
USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts
bzip2 cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri dvd dvdread
elibc_glibc emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam fastbuild
foomaticdb
force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm
gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg java
javascript kde kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad memlimit
mikmod mhash mng motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg
opengl oss pam pcre pdflib perl png posix python qt quicktime readline
samba sdl session simplexml slang soap sockets spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg
tcltk tcpd tiff tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev
userland_GNU vorbis x86 xml xml2 xmms xsl xv zlib
Do you really need all these USE flags and features? I think not.. Add
USE flags that really are useful not add them just because they might
become useful sometime.. The more features you have in your packages,
the slower and more memory hungry they are.. Take a look at my USE
flags..
you think - but you don't know what he wants and needs.
btw, I would emerge ufed and work down the list
I've never used ufed, but after reading bout it now I think it's better
than manually editing.. Regardless of what way one chooses to select USE
flags I believe one must select the USE flags that are necessary..
The more features you got the more memory bloat it becomes..
USE=-X -arts -apache2 -berkdb -cups -dri -eds -esd -gdbm -gnome
-gstreamer -gtk -gpm -xmms 3dnow acl bash-completion bzip2 fbcon hal lzo
mbox mmx nsplugin nvidia offensive sse svga tiff urandom
-X because I don't every application to be built with X support, -arts
because of the same reason.. The applications that i think will need X
support I add a line like this to /etc/portage/package.use
so you want to break douzends of packages for him? Why? -dri? Maybe he needs
it? fbcon? Why? who needs it? You are telling him to deactivate usefull stuff
and activate useless? Great!
I didn't recommend this to him.. You have misquoted me.. You missed the
sentence which said Take a look at my USE flags.. These USE flags are
mine and I quoted them just to explain how to edit these files.. I don't
know what his system is so cant recommend the USE flags..
VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati
that is not needed anymore. Look into the use descriptions. Or even better,
get familiar with ufed.
If you use Xorg-7.0 it is useful.. (Also xine if I remember correctly(?))
Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use
oh, yeah, increase the work and risk subtle breakage here and there
There's always a risk when it comes to fine tuning your system that it
may break things.. You've to pay the price experimenting.. If you are
not brave enough the default are good, but performance will not match
the fine tuned machine (Although I'm sure the performance gain is not
worth the trouble, but the learning experience is worth)
Bye,
Farhan Ahmed
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Friday 05 May 2006 12:42, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If
you want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.
According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden is recommended especially for KDE users..
Atleast while KDE it does not effect and is indeed recommended..
and if I remember right, there was some KDE breakage with this flag. No?
gentoo-wiki is not an official gentoo project ;)
And a wiki can be edited by everybody.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDfield0-0-0=producttype0-0-0=substringvalue0-0-0=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-1=componenttype0-0-1=substringvalue0-0-1=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-2=short_desctype0-0-2=substringvalue0-0-2=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-3=status_whiteboardtype0-0-3=substringvalue0-0-3=fvisibility-inlines-hidden
MAKEOPTS=
MAKEOPTS=-j2
-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling
is running in the background.
No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read
MAKEOPTS section in:
really? with -j2 my box crawls when compiling, sometimes even oom. With -j1 I
can use it, as if nothing happens and I don't get oom. Plus - it is not
slower.
I have read the sections, I suffered from -j2 and I stopped using it. All
better now.
Btw, since switching between tasks and threads is something CPUs really hate,
I can't even imagine how increasing the amount of needed switches should
help.
Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf
LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common
are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags
bring anything, that can not be archived with prelink?
Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else
to use them.-
Honestly I think I was wrong in recommending this.. But during the
emerge process of some packages there's a suggestion to use at least a
part of the LDFLAGS quoted above.. It's like a security warning.. I
decided to use these flags after reading a lot about them in Gentoo
forms
yes, but everything in the forums should be taken with a grain of salt - a lot
of ricers are there. It is safer to look into bugs.gentoo.org ;)
so you want to break douzends of packages for him? Why? -dri? Maybe he
needs it? fbcon? Why? who needs it? You are telling him to deactivate
usefull stuff and activate useless? Great!
I didn't recommend this to him.. You have misquoted me.. You missed the
sentence which said Take a look at my USE flags.. These USE flags are
mine and I quoted them just to explain how to edit these files.. I don't
know what his system is so cant recommend the USE flags..
VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati
that is not needed anymore. Look into the use descriptions. Or even
better, get familiar with ufed.
If you use Xorg-7.0 it is useful.. (Also xine if I remember correctly(?))
Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use
oh, yeah, increase the work and risk subtle breakage here and there
There's always a risk when it comes to fine tuning your system that it
may break things.. You've to pay the price experimenting.. If you are
not brave enough the default are good, but performance will not match
the fine tuned machine (Although I'm sure the performance gain is not
worth the trouble, but the learning experience is worth)
an example:
a lot of packages compiled against esd, as soon as it was installed, even with
the -esd useflag.
So one package that had esd as its flags and installed esd, would contaminate
a lof of others. Unmerge esd and suddenly you may have very funny results (or
not so funny). And esd was the harmless example.
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Friday 05 May 2006 12:42, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If
you want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.
According to http://gentoo-wiki.com/CFLAGS_matrix
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden is recommended especially for KDE users..
Atleast while KDE it does not effect and is indeed recommended..
and if I remember right, there was some KDE breakage with this flag. No?
gentoo-wiki is not an official gentoo project ;)
And a wiki can be edited by everybody.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDfield0-0-0=producttype0-0-0=substringvalue0-0-0=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-1=componenttype0-0-1=substringvalue0-0-1=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-2=short_desctype0-0-2=substringvalue0-0-2=fvisibility-inlines-hiddenfield0-0-3=status_whiteboardtype0-0-3=substringvalue0-0-3=fvisibility-inlines-hidden
Thanks for the pointer.. I take my word back about
-fvisibility-inlines-hidden being a safe option for KDE.
MAKEOPTS=
MAKEOPTS=-j2
-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling
is running in the background.
No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read
MAKEOPTS section in:
really? with -j2 my box crawls when compiling, sometimes even oom. With -j1 I
can use it, as if nothing happens and I don't get oom. Plus - it is not
slower.
I have read the sections, I suffered from -j2 and I stopped using it. All
better now.
Btw, since switching between tasks and threads is something CPUs really hate,
I can't even imagine how increasing the amount of needed switches should
help.
Al least Gentoo Handbook is a official Gentoo project and they recommend
it.. :)
Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf
LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common
are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags
bring anything, that can not be archived with prelink?
Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else
to use them.-
Honestly I think I was wrong in recommending this.. But during the
emerge process of some packages there's a suggestion to use at least a
part of the LDFLAGS quoted above.. It's like a security warning.. I
decided to use these flags after reading a lot about them in Gentoo
forms
yes, but everything in the forums should be taken with a grain of salt - a
lot
of ricers are there. It is safer to look into bugs.gentoo.org ;)
It's true but after doing a bit of research I think they are stable
enough to use.. I don't use all the fancy stuff they post in forums..
(snip)
Farhan Ahmed
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Friday 05 May 2006 13:17, Farhan Ahmed wrote: MAKEOPTS= MAKEOPTS=-j2 -j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling is running in the background. No for singlecore/single cpu computer, -j2 is recommended.. Read MAKEOPTS section in: really? with -j2 my box crawls when compiling, sometimes even oom. With -j1 I can use it, as if nothing happens and I don't get oom. Plus - it is not slower. I have read the sections, I suffered from -j2 and I stopped using it. All better now. Btw, since switching between tasks and threads is something CPUs really hate, I can't even imagine how increasing the amount of needed switches should help. Al least Gentoo Handbook is a official Gentoo project and they recommend it.. :) that is true, but still, for me it works a lot better, if I use -j1. The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile because of ooms. with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: (snip) The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile because of ooms. with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2. This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem? PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true.. Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone.. If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's even more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This is the beauty of open source.. Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgp2RKNXCenI4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 11:03 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the universe. [SNIP] They're too slow Not really. You must not have used them. I have. They are. End of story. Please stop saying that everyone else is wrong and you are right when you obviously don't know what you are talking about! and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING other than MS Exchange server Wrt. Outlook Express, that's plain wrong. And wrt. Outlook: It's wrong as well. Outlook CAN interface IMAP servers. But you'll lose all the benefits of Outlook in this case. I said that they can't interface with non-MS Exchange servers withour throwing a Royal Temper Tantrum. They do not like POP. They like IMAP even less. You are wrong! With a statement like this it's really hard to believe that you ever actually tried those programs! Outlook has handled POP3 and IMAP since version 8 at least (that's just the first version I ever tried so I don't know anything about earlier versions). Besides that this has no relevance on this list whatsoever. So why discuss it?? Stop making statements of things of which you have no knowledge about. -- Bo Andresen pgpovli38bktY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Farhan Ahmed wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: (snip) The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile because of ooms. with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2. This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem? Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine. Alexander Skwar -- Will the third world war keep Bosom Buddies off the air? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Friday 05 May 2006 16:06, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: Hi, On Fri, 5 May 2006 18:49:29 +0530 Farhan Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile because of ooms. with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2. This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem? Not really. GCC does eat some memory, but it's not that worse. Well, this does absolutely depend on RAM+Swap. Whenever I had oom conditions in the past 4 years, that was because of a leaky, long-running application. I've yet to see a gcc process that claims 100MB of physical memory. I did see Apache eat such an amount of mem after running some days and calling leaky skripts (integrated as a module, of course). on AMD64 compiling kdepim or wesnoth, there are structures created, that takes 700mb and more. And this is not even swappable. So with 1gig of ram, you can run into ooms. I had enough of them. Even on a fresh booted system with nothing running than the emerge process. That has nothing to do with flaky applications, just much ram needed by gcc. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Friday 05 May 2006 16:20, Alexander Skwar wrote: Farhan Ahmed wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: (snip) The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile because of ooms. with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2. This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem? Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine. and you don't use AMD64, do you? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Friday 05 May 2006 15:19, Farhan Ahmed wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: (snip) The difference is: with -j2 box is slow. A lot of packages do not compile because of ooms. with -j1 box is normal. No ooms. Compiling does not take longer as with -j2. This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem? PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true.. Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone.. If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's even more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This is the beauty of open source.. it is much easier to vandalize a wiki then software. I, you, anyone can get one or two sentences into any wiki article, that look sane, but are totally wrong. And nobody but an expert would find it. gentoowiki is nice, but you always have to turn your brain on, before doing, what is written there. The same is true for wikipedia - don't think, that everything written there is true. Blatant vandalization is easy to spot. But subtile misinformation, that is the problem. And it is a big one. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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This is an example: [ 1151.984763] oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x80d2, order=0 [ 1151.984767] Mem-info: [ 1151.984770] DMA per-cpu: [ 1151.984772] cpu 0 hot: low 2, high 6, batch 1 used:3 [ 1151.984775] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 2, batch 1 used:1 [ 1151.984776] Normal per-cpu: [ 1151.984779] cpu 0 hot: low 62, high 186, batch 31 used:98 [ 1151.984781] cpu 0 cold: low 0, high 62, batch 31 used:32 [ 1151.984783] HighMem per-cpu: empty [ 1151.984786] Free pages:5520kB (0kB HighMem) [ 1151.984790] Active:117324 inactive:1252 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0 free:1380 slab:4119 mapped:117651 pagetables:562 [ 1151.984794] DMA free:2068kB min:88kB low:108kB high:132kB active:10436kB inactive:0kB present:15996kB pages_scanned:10623 all_unreclaimable? yes [ 1151.984797] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 495 495 [ 1151.984802] Normal free:3452kB min:2800kB low:3500kB high:4200kB active:458860kB inactive:5008kB present:507584kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no [ 1151.984805] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 [ 1151.984809] HighMem free:0kB min:128kB low:160kB high:192kB active:0kB inactive:0kB present:0kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no [ 1151.984811] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 [ 1151.984813] DMA: 1*4kB 0*8kB 1*16kB 0*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 0*512kB 0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 2068kB [ 1151.984820] Normal: 113*4kB 21*8kB 7*16kB 1*32kB 0*64kB 1*128kB 0*256kB 1*512kB 0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 3452kB [ 1151.984827] HighMem: empty [ 1151.984829] Swap cache: add 71, delete 71, find 0/0, race 0+0 [ 1151.984831] Free swap = 995736kB [ 1151.984833] Total swap = 996020kB [ 1151.984834] Free swap: 995736kB [ 1151.988117] 130992 pages of RAM [ 1151.988119] 3265 reserved pages [ 1151.988121] 24332 pages shared [ 1151.988122] 0 pages swap cached [ 1151.988154] Out of Memory: Killed process 8716 (cc1plus). -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Friday 05 May 2006 15:19, Farhan Ahmed wrote: (snip) PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true.. Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone.. If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's even more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This is the beauty of open source.. it is much easier to vandalize a wiki then software. I, you, anyone can get one or two sentences into any wiki article, that look sane, but are totally wrong. And nobody but an expert would find it. gentoowiki is nice, but you always have to turn your brain on, before doing, what is written there. The same is true for wikipedia - don't think, that everything written there is true. Blatant vandalization is easy to spot. But subtile misinformation, that is the problem. And it is a big one. But it'll be corrected nonetheless.. :) Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgpST3it3B3WE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Friday 05 May 2006 17:35, Farhan Ahmed wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Friday 05 May 2006 15:19, Farhan Ahmed wrote: (snip) PS: Your quote in previous message about gentoo-wiki is not true.. Although I agree that the Flags I quoted were unstable, you cannot say gentoo-wiki cannot be trusted just because it can be edited by anyone.. If you are true then you cannot trust any Free Software because it too can be edited.. Agreed that someone might post wrong info, but it's even more likely that someone will recognize it and correct it.. This is the beauty of open source.. it is much easier to vandalize a wiki then software. I, you, anyone can get one or two sentences into any wiki article, that look sane, but are totally wrong. And nobody but an expert would find it. gentoowiki is nice, but you always have to turn your brain on, before doing, what is written there. The same is true for wikipedia - don't think, that everything written there is true. Blatant vandalization is easy to spot. But subtile misinformation, that is the problem. And it is a big one. But it'll be corrected nonetheless.. :) do you really think? There are cases, where misonformation was not found for month, even longer - and there are a lot of very demanding and obscure articles, would you really bet, that every case of voluntary misinformation can and will be found? I won't. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: I've yet to see a gcc process that claims 100MB of physical memory. Well, I haven't looked at memory usage, but when Qt or kdelibs is being compiled, the system gets quite slow and especially during linking quite some memory is used. Alexander Skwar -- We are what we pretend to be. -- Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Friday 05 May 2006 16:20, Alexander Skwar wrote: Farhan Ahmed wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem? Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine. and you don't use AMD64, do you? No, I don't. Celeron M with 1.50 GHz. Alexander Skwar -- Most people don't need a great deal of love nearly so much as they need a steady supply. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Friday 05 May 2006 19:49, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Friday 05 May 2006 16:20, Alexander Skwar wrote: Farhan Ahmed wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: This is the first time I'm hearing this.. Even with -j2 my system functions normally.. Has anyone encountered same problem? Not me. I'm using -j2 on a single CPU system just fine. and you don't use AMD64, do you? No, I don't. Celeron M with 1.50 GHz. yeah, with my athlon-xp, I never saw oom on compiling, but with amd64, one gig is sometimes not enough ;) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: (snip) There are cases, where misonformation was not found for month, even longer - and there are a lot of very demanding and obscure articles, would you really bet, that every case of voluntary misinformation can and will be found? In that case you should stop using GNU/OSS software, as you have no way of knowing every piece of code using your brains.. Have you ever audited kernel before updating? No.. But still you update.. Why? Because you trust that someone will point some malicious code, if any, before it comes to your machine.. Likewise, if someone reads the article and he sees some inconsistency, he'll in all likelihood correct it (just in wiki's, not entirely possible in Reliable Articles By Experts).. Just as an example, compare Wikipedia spelling accuracy to other sources, you'll find that Wikipedia is far better.. When thousands of people are editing a article there will always be some odd person who will post misinformation, but how many people will correct it? Almost everyone who points that misinformation.. Almost every book we read contain some mistakes, so should we stop reading book or stop learning from it.. But at least with wiki pages one has the option of correcting the mistakes live.. If you don't trust the community that's doing this great work of writing free software, sharing their knowledge in Wiki's, then what's the point of using GNU/Linux? I'm not saying that you are entirely wrong, but your assumption that one must not follow wiki's just because they are world editable is wrong Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgp0Pj1mo3dNw.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 09:35:44PM -0700, Ryan Tandy wrote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:27 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: Gentoo ~x86 (or ~whatever) is roughly equivalant to a mix of Debian Testing and Unstable. A package may be ~ simply because it hasn't been tested enough yet to certify as stable. Or it may be horribly broken. Or somewhere in between. If you were comfortable running Debian unstable, you'll be comfortable running Gentoo ~x86. Actually, this isn't quite true. The difference between arch and ~arch is strictly a Gentoo difference - packages aren't shifted from package.mask to ~arch until they're considered stable by upstream. ~arch is the Gentoo testing branch: where the ebuild is refined and where the code is patched if it breaks due to crazy C(XX)FLAGS, USE, etc. Packages where the *code* (as opposed to the *ebuild*) is still considered unstable and which may actually break things badly are left in package.mask. There isn't a 100% exact mapping like.. Gentoo-~arch = Debian-Testing Gentoo-masked = Debian-Unstable It's a mixture. Even an ebuild-related problem can cause brokeness. The consequences are... 1) More liklihood of strange bugs/breakage 2) You will *NOT* get bug-support here or in bugzilla.gentoo.org for packages marked as ~arch -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Friday 05 May 2006 19:58, Farhan Ahmed wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: (snip) There are cases, where misonformation was not found for month, even longer - and there are a lot of very demanding and obscure articles, would you really bet, that every case of voluntary misinformation can and will be found? In that case you should stop using GNU/OSS software, as you have no way of knowing every piece of code using your brains.. Have you ever audited kernel before updating? No.. But still you update.. Why? Because you trust that someone will point some malicious code, if any, before it comes to your machine.. Likewise, if someone reads the article and he sees some inconsistency, he'll in all likelihood correct it (just in wiki's, not entirely possible in Reliable Articles By Experts).. not everybody has write access to the cvs/svn/whatever tree. In all software projects, only devs have write access. Everybody else can send in patches, but they can not just edit the sources. And I trust the devs, because if shit happens, everybody will be able to see, who did it. With wikipedia, everybody can go and edit what they want, when they want, where they want. Why don't you google? Hidden vandalism and misinformation are known problems. There are even cases, where someone corrected an article, and an admin undid the corrections, because people are not allowed to edit their biographies. Even if there are blatant lies and errors. You can use http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Main_Page as a starting point. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Friday 05 May 2006 13:55, Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?': 2) You will *NOT* get bug-support here or in bugzilla.gentoo.org for packages marked as ~arch That is absolutely untrue. I run ~amd64 and I've never had trouble getting support on this list or b.g.o. In fact, the purpose of providing ~ARCH is to elicit bug reports; if a package is ~ARCH for 90 days w/o a bug report, it moves to ARCH. ~ARCH is mostly *testing* with just a dash of unstable thrown in. Now, a lot of the time the suggested way to fix your system is to mask the ~ARCH ebuilds of a package that's causing problems (after you file a bug). That's natural. You've found a bug that will be fixed in the future, but for now you'll need to stop using the buggy software. Makes sense, yes? [Of course, as part of bug diagnosis, you might be asked to continue running the ~ARCH package so you can test.] What you won't find support for is ebuilds from outside the portage tree or masked ebuilds that you've unmasked. (Masked ebuilds are known to be broken OR are being tested by the developers and they aren't interested in user bugs yet -- probably because just their small group finds enough bugs.) -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgphwd4OPnLbs.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 05 May 2006 17:36, Maurice E Johnson wrote: OMG Will this thread ever stop? It's been high jacked 5 times. Will the guy that asked the original question please either grow a brain or use the one he has. So rest of us don't have to create filters for this list? What does gentoo-wiki have to do with firefox in the hands of children? Thank you Will top-posting never stop? Will selective quoting ever be used so we don't have to create filters? Mail lists in the hands of children... Peter -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Wednesday 03 May 2006 23:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?': I've asked on multiple occassions for a comparison to a Debian paradigm. My first distro was Debian. So a comparison to Debian would do me a world of good. ARCH ~= STABLE but more volatile -- there's no real release version, packages are maintained separately unless they are packaged together upstream or depend on one another so you'll still get regular updates, but the packages have been though some amount of testing by the devs and those running: ~ARCH ~= TESTING though there's less testing, packages don't have to survive being masked for any period of time so you will occasionally get an package that would only be suited for Sid. It's still exceedingly rare for these packages to screw your system, but it is possible especially if you don't read the e(info|notice|warn)s that are output during the install or become lax in your config file updating. Anything truly experimental will be masked while the devs (and brave users) test internally. If you do run ~arch and can spend some time reporting you successes and failures, consider becoming an arch tester, assuming your arch needs more. package.mask'd, profile masked, or missing keyword ~= SID (or worse) These packages are either experimental with changes that are likely to break the system, or have been known to break someones system, possibly including data loss. Some development teams *cough*KDE*cough* are quite flexible with the experimental label -- I had kde 3.5 installed with few to no problems for (what seemed like) months before they were unmasked. Of course, ebuilds in the forums and bugzilla (and anywhere else other than the standard portage tree) are like foreign repositories. Gentoo devs (and most of the people on the mailing lists) can't and won't provide support for those packages or problems that may/might be caused by them. -- If there's one thing we've established over the years, it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest clue what's best for them in terms of package stability. -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh pgpGaOsoBa4wr.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 11:51 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If
you want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.
Why I asked before doing. What is it?
it hiddes some symbols in libs. It can make startup a lot faster, but it can
also break a lot of things.
prelink is much saver ...
MAKEOPTS=
MAKEOPTS=-j2
-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling
is running in the background.
Okay. That sounds non-violate.
USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb
bitmap-fonts bzip2 cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri
dvd dvdread elibc_glibc emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam
fastbuild foomaticdb
force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm
gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg
java javascript kde kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad
memlimit mikmod mhash mng motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls
nptl ogg opengl oss pam pcre pdflib perl png posix python qt
quicktime readline samba sdl session simplexml slang soap sockets
spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg tcltk tcpd tiff tokenizer truetype
truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev userland_GNU vorbis x86 xml xml2
xmms xsl xv zlib
Do you really need all these USE flags and features? I think not.. Add
USE flags that really are useful not add them just because they might
become useful sometime.. The more features you have in your packages,
the slower and more memory hungry they are.. Take a look at my USE
flags..
you think - but you don't know what he wants and needs.
I didn't change many from the defaults because I didn't know what most of
them were. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
btw, I would emerge ufed and work down the list
I'll emerge it now, and ask you what on earth it is now as well.
ufed
use flag editor
When you start it, you see all useflags listed, if it is active (X before its
name), where it is set (the space in the brackets behind the name) and the
description of the flag. man ufed has the details ;)
Just read the descriptions and decide.. easy.
If you are not sure about disabling something, leave it in the default state.
make an emerge --newuse --ask world after you have finished.
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 09:02:45PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote And I recommend that you do *not* set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 unless you are prepared for the consequences. WHAT CONSEQUENCES!? I've asked on multiple occassions for a comparison to a Debian paradigm. My first distro was Debian. So a comparison to Debian would do me a world of good. Gentoo ~x86 (or ~whatever) is roughly equivalant to a mix of Debian Testing and Unstable. A package may be ~ simply because it hasn't been tested enough yet to certify as stable. Or it may be horribly broken. Or somewhere in between. If you were comfortable running Debian unstable, you'll be comfortable running Gentoo ~x86. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Monday 01 May 2006 10:50 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 08:47 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] that is (AFAIK) just a layer below TCP/IP. Wrong. Besides: just a layer below TCP/IP makes no sense. TCP/IP is a protocol family. Two of those members are IPv4 and IPv6. Now, what's just a layer below TCP/IP supposed to mean? I didn't know. I'm not a network programmer. I will be sometime when I get the time to read up on it all, but until then, it was just a educated guess. I wouldn't remove it if I were you. Why not? Why leave in things, which are not needed and which are known to possibly cause problems? For me the Why not? is the part that I can't answer. I don't know what it does, therefore I don't mess around with it. Furthermore, I have never heard of it causing problems. Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. I don't see how that would help anything. It would help, if the problem is on his side, caused by bad settings in his profile. If everything's faster with a blank profile, he knows for sure, that the problems were caused by his old profile. I've never *ever* heard of a profile being corrupted. I'd be very surprised if that's the case. Nonetheless, it is a good idea, if a bit debatable in the likelihood it fixing the problem at hand. Alexander Skwar -- It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. I'd beg to differ. pgpf46bNQ8RhF.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Monday 01 May 2006 11:03 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 07:55 am, Justin Patrin wrote: On 4/30/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: (I hate HTML mailand I hate Outlook even more.) Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the universe. They are not. Lotus Notes beats them to that. Ouch. You sure you want to be handing out a judgement of that magnitude like that? It'd take quite a bit to be worse than Outlook. They're too slow Not really. You must not have used them. I have. They are. End of story. and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING other than MS Exchange server Wrt. Outlook Express, that's plain wrong. And wrt. Outlook: It's wrong as well. Outlook CAN interface IMAP servers. But you'll lose all the benefits of Outlook in this case. I said that they can't interface with non-MS Exchange servers withour throwing a Royal Temper Tantrum. They do not like POP. They like IMAP even less. Plus, of all the HTML-sending mail clients, Outlook is the worst! It makes the biggest, most bloated HTML I've ever seen! pgpQY42Hi61Xf.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tuesday 02 May 2006 06:05 am, Tero Grundström wrote: On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem? Well, I recently switched to the binary version and to my surprise I found that it is much faster than the self compiled version. Especially the interface is much more responsive in the binary version. I don't know how it could be. Makes me really wonder where else I'm loosing speed on Gentoo... How did you switch to a binary version? How did you do that? I didn't know you could use emerge and not compile it. Unless, of course, you aren't using emerge... pgp37rGKkxtr7.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Monday 01 May 2006 11:14 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:21 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we used today. To find out, I asked OP to create a blank profile. I also assume a local problem at his side. OP should simply create a new profile and report back. Alexander Skwar PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. I used the GMail web interface for a long time and it defaulted to plain text for me. This might be correct. However on new accounts, HTML is used. If you don't believe me, simply create a new account, and you'll see. I'm not contending with you there. I actually signed up for GMail before they had HTML options, so I wouldn't really know for sure. I'll just take your word for it then. If I changed to rich-text the next time it'd default to RTF. No, it most certainly did not. Who accepts RTF? Not anyone I know of. I thought that it was in RTF though... It's still in the beta stage, you know. As if anything on Google is NOT in beta... Too true. Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)? Why not, Makes mails larger, without adding anything useful (normally). Further, it makes mails a bit harder to read and harder to quote. At this point I'm inclined to think you're using an inferior mail client. KMail works just fine with HTML. What are you using? eg. the mail which I quoted: In HTML, it's about 1179 bytes. In text/plain, it is 729 bytes. And actually, the HTML caused overhead is even more, as the 2nd MIME part (the HTML part) caused additional headers to be added. Those are an additional 378 bytes. Yah, I agree with you that it's unnecessarily wasting space to use HTML. That's why I don't use it. However, I don't think it's right or polite to start harrassing people for using it. if it irks you so much, make a script that will change RTF/HTML to Plaintext? That's not a useful advice. I'd have to accept the (normally) uselessly bloated mail first and then strip it. Makes no sense. No, you're not thinking! The mailing list server receives a email in HTML. Convert the HTML to plaintext. Then send, and store in the list archives (as plaintext). Sure, you wasted some bandwidth on receiving the HTML, but you're not making the problem worse by sending or storing the bloated form of it, either. It wouldn't be terribly difficult... Depends. On the skil of the programmer, of course. I'd take a while to do it because I'm a perfectionist, and because I'm still new to programming in general. I'd automatically turn it into a learning experience, which would make it take twice as long. However, for a established programmer who's learned the ways of the Source, it wouldn't be terribly difficult. Think: Just take all the tags out. Convert stuff like: /p br to a newline and you're done! It's just Presto! and the most basic of functionality is there. Then you can tack on stuff for special characters (lso; and stuff like that... it's been a while, so that's probably not a valid code, but you get the idea, right?) Just delete the junk like the html tags and stuff of that nature with plaintext doesn't need (or care about). It's really simple. Alexander Skwar -- We seldom repent talking too little, but very often talking too much. -- Jean de la Bruyere pgpaU2XTgqXaH.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Monday 01 May 2006 10:57 pm, Alexander Skwar wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 05:59 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: Not really. You most likely either have a faster machine Celeron M Notebook with 1.5 GHz. Not what I'd call fast :) And 768M ram. IBM X40 Type 2386-1CU 1.0GHz Intel Pentium-M Ultra-Low Voltage 256 MB PC 2700 SO-DIMM 200 Pin RAM (CA2.5) Intel Extreme Graphics 2 64MB shared Graphics Memory 20 GB 4700 RPM Hitachi-made IBM Microdrive Stunning 12.1 inch 1024x768 LCD screen great for movies ; ) One lonely little system speaker that tries to be a full media speaker but fails miserably. Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. This is something like the third time you've suggested this. You counted? :) Not really. Please explain how this will help. I'm serious: I don't see how this could help. My assumption: Problem is caused by bad settings, which includes extensions or themes. If problem goes away with a new/blank profile, we know where the problem is. Yes, I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that the profile is the problem. I've never heard of a profile causing a problem in my life. I could be wrong, but I'm still skeptical nonetheless. pgp4A1Og5aUfO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Thursday 04 May 2006 04:42 am, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:57, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 01 May 2006 11:51 pm, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If
you want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.
Why I asked before doing. What is it?
it hiddes some symbols in libs. It can make startup a lot faster, but it
can also break a lot of things.
prelink is much saver ...
Okay... whatever that is. If this is going to destabilize my system I'm not
going to do it...
btw, I would emerge ufed and work down the list
I'll emerge it now, and ask you what on earth it is now as well.
ufed
use flag editor
Hah... I knew that! (not!)
When you start it, you see all useflags listed, if it is active (X before
its name), where it is set (the space in the brackets behind the name) and
the description of the flag. man ufed has the details ;)
So it's like make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux?
Just read the descriptions and decide.. easy.
If you are not sure about disabling something, leave it in the default
state.
Yup.
make an emerge --newuse --ask world after you have finished.
I'm not doing that again! Last time I tried that one night, all day
long, and it only did 38 of 283 packages or something. It was *horrible.*
Next time I try that, I'll totally exit KDE and do it 100% from the command
line so as to make sure every single last shred of memory is there to do it.
Even then, it'll be over a very long vacation.
However, I will start perfecting my setting now, so that when I update/install
new things they reflect changes to make the system faster!
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snip How did you switch to a binary version? How did you do that? I didn't know you could use emerge and not compile it. Unless, of course, you aren't using emerge... emerge mozilla-firefox-bin will emerge the binary version of firefox -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:27 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 09:02:45PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote And I recommend that you do *not* set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 unless you are prepared for the consequences. WHAT CONSEQUENCES!? I've asked on multiple occassions for a comparison to a Debian paradigm. My first distro was Debian. So a comparison to Debian would do me a world of good. Gentoo ~x86 (or ~whatever) is roughly equivalant to a mix of Debian Testing and Unstable. A package may be ~ simply because it hasn't been tested enough yet to certify as stable. Or it may be horribly broken. Or somewhere in between. If you were comfortable running Debian unstable, you'll be comfortable running Gentoo ~x86. THANK YOU! That made quite a bit of sense to me. You have no idea how much sense that made to me, actually. pgpMxYyQNCmrH.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 10:21:25PM -0700, Penguin Lover [EMAIL PROTECTED] squawked: Well, I recently switched to the binary version and to my surprise I found that it is much faster than the self compiled version. Especially the interface is much more responsive in the binary version. I don't know how it could be. Makes me really wonder where else I'm loosing speed on Gentoo... How did you switch to a binary version? How did you do that? I didn't know you could use emerge and not compile it. Unless, of course, you aren't using emerge... [12:29 AM]wwong ~ $ emerge search mozilla-firefox-bin Searching... [ Results for search key : mozilla-firefox-bin ] [ Applications found : 1 ] * www-client/mozilla-firefox-bin Latest version available: 1.0.8 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 24,192 kB Homepage:http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox Description: Firefox Web Browser License: MPL-1.1 NPL-1.1 In fact, for lots of large packages there are binary/precompiled versions available in portage, usually with the -bin suffix. W -- I remember walking to school through the snow, uphill both ways, in my bare feet. Oh, now wait... never mind, that was my father. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 173 days, 20:56 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 04 May 2006 05:27 pm, Walter Dnes wrote: Gentoo ~x86 (or ~whatever) is roughly equivalant to a mix of Debian Testing and Unstable. A package may be ~ simply because it hasn't been tested enough yet to certify as stable. Or it may be horribly broken. Or somewhere in between. If you were comfortable running Debian unstable, you'll be comfortable running Gentoo ~x86. Actually, this isn't quite true. The difference between arch and ~arch is strictly a Gentoo difference - packages aren't shifted from package.mask to ~arch until they're considered stable by upstream. ~arch is the Gentoo testing branch: where the ebuild is refined and where the code is patched if it breaks due to crazy C(XX)FLAGS, USE, etc. Packages where the *code* (as opposed to the *ebuild*) is still considered unstable and which may actually break things badly are left in package.mask. HTH. Ryan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 09:34 am, Richard Fish wrote: On 5/1/06, Farhan Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you wish to have latest packages, change ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86, it might make your system a bit unstable but going through my experience it has not broken a thing in my system. And I recommend that you do *not* set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 unless you are prepared for the consequences. WHAT CONSEQUENCES!? I've asked on multiple occassions for a comparison to a Debian paradigm. My first distro was Debian. So a comparison to Debian would do me a world of good. It is very much a testing environment, where either the ebuild or the package itself might not be completely stable, or worse, incompatible with previous configuration files or other packages on your system. Baselayout and udev have been particularly 'dangerous' on ~x86 recently. Additionally, ~x86 updates more frequently than x86, so you will have much more downloading and compiling to do at each update. Yeah, I think I'll avoid that until I have a distcc network running! Compiling on my poor laptop takes *forever!* Yes ~x86 does work most of the time, and the Gentoo devs are extremely good at fixing problems quickly. But it can be expected to break occasionally, and you need to know what do when it does. Mean time to failure? If you want ~x86 for specific packages, use /etc/portage/package.keywords. Okay. pgpMBmiodwjw1.pgp Description: PGP signature
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 08:47 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you run emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox I get this: [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 [1.5.0.1-r4] USE=gnome ipv6 -debug -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 37 kB Do you really need ipv6? I doubt that this has anything to do with the problem at hand, but if you don't need it, you should remove it. If you don't know anything about ipv6, it's very probable that you don't need it. IPV6 is a protocol Yep. that is (AFAIK) just a layer below TCP/IP. Wrong. Besides: just a layer below TCP/IP makes no sense. TCP/IP is a protocol family. Two of those members are IPv4 and IPv6. Now, what's just a layer below TCP/IP supposed to mean? I wouldn't remove it if I were you. Why not? Why leave in things, which are not needed and which are known to possibly cause problems? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. I don't see how that would help anything. It would help, if the problem is on his side, caused by bad settings in his profile. If everything's faster with a blank profile, he knows for sure, that the problems were caused by his old profile. Alexander Skwar -- It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Graham Murray wrote: Nich Steicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, this is simply wrong - IPV6 is the next generation protocol we are currently using IPV4 - why IPV6 is a default build flag i would have no idea, as from what i can see, it will be a good while before IPV6 actually becomes implemented. IPv6 is already implemented. Certainly. But this still doesn't answer, why it is a default build flag? As it is right now, only a minority of users is able to use IPv6. Why aren't other minority USE Flags enabled? It makes no sense to have IPv6 enabled for everyone. Alexander Skwar -- Well, if you can't believe what you read in a comic book, what *can* you believe?! -- Bullwinkle J. Moose -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 05:59 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: Not really. You most likely either have a faster machine Celeron M Notebook with 1.5 GHz. Not what I'd call fast :) And 768M ram. or have already tweaked yours. No. Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. This is something like the third time you've suggested this. You counted? :) Please explain how this will help. I'm serious: I don't see how this could help. My assumption: Problem is caused by bad settings, which includes extensions or themes. If problem goes away with a new/blank profile, we know where the problem is. Further, it's a way of working/debugging - you reset everything to a known working set of things, which is the blank profile. After that, you re-add things, until it breaks again. As soon as it breaks, you've got your culprit. Alexander Skwar -- Oh, wow! Look at the moon! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 01:11 pm, Jeff Rollin wrote: I didn't say DG_DISABLE_DEBUG was a USE flag, I said it was a CFLAG. And it improves the speed of KDE applications too So, can you please tell me how to do this? Please read the manual. It explains how to set something like this. make.conf is the appropriate file. Alexander Skwar -- No line available at 300 baud. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 01 May 2006 07:55 am, Justin Patrin wrote: On 4/30/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. It may default to HTML now, as do Yahoo and Hotmail, but it's an easy thing to turn off. I'm still using gmail in text-only mode. It doesn't default to HTML. Yes, it does. Why do you think, that close to all the gmail users are sending out HTML mails? It defaults to RTF, No, it doesn't. It doesn't even send out RTF. It's either HTML or plain text, what you can compose on gmail. and even then you can change that. Sure, no doubt about that. I fail to understand though, why GMail sends out HTML, if there's no formatting in the mail, which would require HTML. IMO, it should behave like Mozilla: If you compose a mail in the HTML coposer and the mail has no HTML elements, a text/plain will be created. THAT is the proper way to go. (I hate HTML mailand I hate Outlook even more.) Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the universe. They are not. Lotus Notes beats them to that. They're too slow Not really. and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING other than MS Exchange server Wrt. Outlook Express, that's plain wrong. And wrt. Outlook: It's wrong as well. Outlook CAN interface IMAP servers. But you'll lose all the benefits of Outlook in this case. Alexander Skwar -- BOFH Excuse #95: Pentium FDIV bug -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:21 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we used today. To find out, I asked OP to create a blank profile. I also assume a local problem at his side. OP should simply create a new profile and report back. Alexander Skwar PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. I used the GMail web interface for a long time and it defaulted to plain text for me. This might be correct. However on new accounts, HTML is used. If you don't believe me, simply create a new account, and you'll see. If I changed to rich-text the next time it'd default to RTF. No, it most certainly did not. Who accepts RTF? I changed it to plain-text and then it defaulted the next time to (you guessed it) plain text. Yep. This means, it accepts your user settings, but it doesn't say anything about the defaults. I don't know what you're complaining about. I complain about HTML mails and about the fact, that Gmail defaults to HTML mails, despite what you're writing. Perhaps you tried it at a time when they hadn't yet corrected that bug? What bug? The bug, that the default is, that HTML mails are composed? Actually, I don't think it is a bug - I rather think, it's a business decision. It's still in the beta stage, you know. As if anything on Google is NOT in beta... Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)? Why not, Makes mails larger, without adding anything useful (normally). Further, it makes mails a bit harder to read and harder to quote. eg. the mail which I quoted: In HTML, it's about 1179 bytes. In text/plain, it is 729 bytes. And actually, the HTML caused overhead is even more, as the 2nd MIME part (the HTML part) caused additional headers to be added. Those are an additional 378 bytes. So, in this case, we've got a mail of (at least) 2286 bytes, where 729 bytes would have been sufficient. if it irks you so much, make a script that will change RTF/HTML to Plaintext? That's not a useful advice. I'd have to accept the (normally) uselessly bloated mail first and then strip it. Makes no sense. It wouldn't be terribly difficult... Depends. Alexander Skwar -- We seldom repent talking too little, but very often talking too much. -- Jean de la Bruyere -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
So I went through all those different USE flags, and added ones I knew I
could
add without anything blowing up. This is what I get:
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
built this stage
# Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example
#CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe
CFLAGS=-march=i686 -O2 -pipe
I'd suggest CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
MAKEOPTS=
MAKEOPTS=-j2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=
If you wish to have latest packages, change ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86, it
might make your system a bit unstable but going through my experience it
has not broken a thing in my system.
Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf
LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common
USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts
bzip2
cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri dvd dvdread elibc_glibc
emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam fastbuild foomaticdb
force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm gstreamer
gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg java javascript kde
kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad memlimit mikmod mhash mng
motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg opengl oss pam pcre
pdflib perl png posix python qt quicktime readline samba sdl session
simplexml slang soap sockets spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg tcltk tcpd tiff
tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev userland_GNU vorbis
x86 xml xml2 xmms xsl xv zlib
Do you really need all these USE flags and features? I think not.. Add
USE flags that really are useful not add them just because they might
become useful sometime.. The more features you have in your packages,
the slower and more memory hungry they are.. Take a look at my USE
flags..
USE=-X -arts -apache2 -berkdb -cups -dri -eds -esd -gdbm -gnome
-gstreamer -gtk -gpm -xmms 3dnow acl bash-completion bzip2 fbcon hal lzo
mbox mmx nsplugin nvidia offensive sse svga tiff urandom
-X because I don't every application to be built with X support, -arts
because of the same reason.. The applications that i think will need X
support I add a line like this to /etc/portage/package.use
media-libs/imlib2 X
Also if i need to remove some support from packages, i add line like
this to /etc/portage/package.use
www-client/links -jpeg -png -sdl -svga -tiff
I also don't suggest hardened USE flag.. You most certainly don't need
them.. Trust me..
Add these lines to /etc/make.conf to further fine tune tour system..
VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati
INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse #add anything extra you've
Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use
(snip)
Farhan Ahmed
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Tuesday 02 May 2006 08:18, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} -fvisibility-inlines-hidden
no, just no. This breaks enough stuff. Do not tell others to use it. If you
want to use it. Fine. But do not tell anybody else to do it.
MAKEOPTS=
MAKEOPTS=-j2
-j1 is a good one for singlecore/single cpu computer, where the compiling is
running in the background.
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=
Also if you wish add these lines to /etc/make.conf
LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,-z,now,--sort-common
are you totally sure, that this do not break something? do this flags bring
anything, that can not be archived with prelink?
Again, you might want to use them, but you should not tell somebody else to
use them.-
USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts
bzip2 cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri dvd dvdread
elibc_glibc emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam fastbuild
foomaticdb
force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm
gstreamer gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg java
javascript kde kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad memlimit
mikmod mhash mng motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg
opengl oss pam pcre pdflib perl png posix python qt quicktime readline
samba sdl session simplexml slang soap sockets spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg
tcltk tcpd tiff tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev
userland_GNU vorbis x86 xml xml2 xmms xsl xv zlib
Do you really need all these USE flags and features? I think not.. Add
USE flags that really are useful not add them just because they might
become useful sometime.. The more features you have in your packages,
the slower and more memory hungry they are.. Take a look at my USE
flags..
you think - but you don't know what he wants and needs.
btw, I would emerge ufed and work down the list
USE=-X -arts -apache2 -berkdb -cups -dri -eds -esd -gdbm -gnome
-gstreamer -gtk -gpm -xmms 3dnow acl bash-completion bzip2 fbcon hal lzo
mbox mmx nsplugin nvidia offensive sse svga tiff urandom
-X because I don't every application to be built with X support, -arts
because of the same reason.. The applications that i think will need X
support I add a line like this to /etc/portage/package.use
so you want to break douzends of packages for him? Why? -dri? Maybe he needs
it? fbcon? Why? who needs it? You are telling him to deactivate usefull stuff
and activate useless? Great!
VIDEO_CARDS=your video card #like nvidia, ati
that is not needed anymore. Look into the use descriptions. Or even better,
get familiar with ufed.
Remember, always add the minimum USE flags you need to /etc/make.conf,
you should always tune your system to specific packages by adding USE
flags to be used for the specific package to /etc/portage/package.use
oh, yeah, increase the work and risk subtle breakage here and there
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem? Well, I recently switched to the binary version and to my surprise I found that it is much faster than the self compiled version. Especially the interface is much more responsive in the binary version. I don't know how it could be. Makes me really wonder where else I'm loosing speed on Gentoo... My USE flags for the compiled version were minimal and cflags should be optimal. I'd love to know how the binary version is built and if there are others who are experiencing the same phenomena. -- T.G. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On 5/1/06, Farhan Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you wish to have latest packages, change ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86, it might make your system a bit unstable but going through my experience it has not broken a thing in my system. And I recommend that you do *not* set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 unless you are prepared for the consequences. It is very much a testing environment, where either the ebuild or the package itself might not be completely stable, or worse, incompatible with previous configuration files or other packages on your system. Baselayout and udev have been particularly 'dangerous' on ~x86 recently. Additionally, ~x86 updates more frequently than x86, so you will have much more downloading and compiling to do at each update. Yes ~x86 does work most of the time, and the Gentoo devs are extremely good at fixing problems quickly. But it can be expected to break occasionally, and you need to know what do when it does. If you want ~x86 for specific packages, use /etc/portage/package.keywords. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On 5/1/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 01:11 pm, Jeff Rollin wrote: I didn't say DG_DISABLE_DEBUG was a USE flag, I said it was a CFLAG. And it improves the speed of KDE applications too So, can you please tell me how to do this? Please read the manual. It explains how to set something like this. make.conf is the appropriate file. But don't bother, 'cause it doesn't do anything anyway. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On 4/30/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. It may default to HTML now, as do Yahoo and Hotmail, but it's an easy thing to turn off. I'm still using gmail in text-only mode. (I hate HTML mailand I hate Outlook even more.) -- Justin Patrin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Sunday 30 April 2006 01:11 pm, Jeff Rollin wrote: I didn't say DG_DISABLE_DEBUG was a USE flag, I said it was a CFLAG. And it improves the speed of KDE applications too So, can you please tell me how to do this? I'd really appreciate it. -- Argument against Linux number 6,033: ...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble. I shared something like this with a Apple junkie I know... it was a article about Viruses on WineX. He just said it proves how self-abusive Linux people are. pgpJ8KBHKNC4P.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sunday 30 April 2006 05:59 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow? Yes. Not really. You most likely either have a faster machine or have already tweaked yours. In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down. I can't scroll that well even with one window, and only one tab! Works fine here. Many peple have the same situation. I do. Haven't heard of. Do you think so? Yes. No, I don't. And how can you solve this problem? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. This is something like the third time you've suggested this. Please explain how this will help. I'm serious: I don't see how this could help. pgp7nZB1tKF2d.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sunday 30 April 2006 11:21 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we used today. To find out, I asked OP to create a blank profile. I also assume a local problem at his side. OP should simply create a new profile and report back. Alexander Skwar PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. I used the GMail web interface for a long time and it defaulted to plain text for me. If I changed to rich-text the next time it'd default to RTF. I changed it to plain-text and then it defaulted the next time to (you guessed it) plain text. I don't know what you're complaining about. Perhaps you tried it at a time when they hadn't yet corrected that bug? It's still in the beta stage, you know. Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)? Why not, if it irks you so much, make a script that will change RTF/HTML to Plaintext? It wouldn't be terribly difficult... Then you could just tack it on to the list daemon or whatever and viola! you'd be good to go! I'm sure some Perl/Python freak would make something to do that in about a week and be done with it. I'm more of a Java/C++ person, so it'd take me longer, unless you forced me to use PHP, which I could see myself using... pgp3aXDsNJlVO.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sunday 30 April 2006 08:47 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you run emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox I get this: [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 [1.5.0.1-r4] USE=gnome ipv6 -debug -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 37 kB Do you really need ipv6? I doubt that this has anything to do with the problem at hand, but if you don't need it, you should remove it. If you don't know anything about ipv6, it's very probable that you don't need it. IPV6 is a protocol that is (AFAIK) just a layer below TCP/IP. I wouldn't remove it if I were you. To the others: Is ipv6 still one of the default flags? Has this bug still not been fixed? Have you yet tried a blank profile? What do you mean? As I wrote: Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. I don't see how that would help anything. PS: Please no HTML. Makes your posts harder to read. Do you mean the link i gave in the mail before?Or another thing? I mean, that you compose your mails in gmail as HTML or rich text. This makes them bigger without adding any benefit to it - indeed, as you can see above, it makes it even worse, as there are no proper quote marks before the quoted text. Yes, it's very rude to send in anything other than plain-text. HTML is for web sites, not email. RTF is for dorks with nothing better to do other than format their text. There really isn't a need for it - if you have something to say that can't be expressed in plain-text, it's probably too forceful for public expression! Simply click on plain text. For GMail users that's just above the text area you write your messages in. Alexander Skwar -- Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be prosecuted. The one I heard was Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again. pgpl0Zcvk0tN8.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sunday 30 April 2006 07:22 am, Jeff Rollin wrote: Oh, yeah. I couldn't understand why people raved about the speed of Gentoo till I added USE=-DG_DISABLE_DEBUG So, this is going to be a very elementary question, but it's honestly because I don't know. I have major problems with Firefox (and even Eclipse) acting very sluggishly. It's understandably annoying, but after using Windows for ten years, I've learned to just swallow a lot of garbage and forget about it. However, now that there's (possibly) a way to fix all this... I don't know about USE flags. I think I get that they're special compile-time preprocessor macros to enable/disable certain things, but I don't know how to use them, as in change them. If my apps all are compiled with debug extensions... that would explain why Gentoo is working (speed-wise) like Kubuntu and other Debian-based distros did. Well, I tried this: localhost ~ # emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: app-crypt/gpg-agent-1.9.19 --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-libs/libassuan-0.6.10 --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-libs/libksba-0.9.12 --- Invalid atom in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: =dev-libs/libassuan-0.6.10 ~x86 --- Invalid atom in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: =dev-libs/libksba-0.9.12 ~x86 --- Invalid atom in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: =app-crypt/gpg-agent-1.9.19 ~x86 This part I'm worried about, but am not trying to fix right now. Any suggestions, though OT, would be nice. These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.8 [1.0.7-r4] -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java* -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznoxft -mozsvg +truetype -xinerama -xprint 32,135 kB I see here that I've got it compiled with the debug pointers (which I'm told slow things down) and it has no KDE/Qt support, either. This... could be a problem. First: I'd like to know where I can change the USE flags globally, such that all new activity will have no debug support, which I don't need. I'd also like to add KDE/Qt functionality, if that's possible on the global level as well. I know this is probably something I should have caught when I installed, but that was a while ago, and I didn't know what a USE flag was, so I left it at the default settings, not wanting to incur the Wrath of the Malconfigured OS. Second: How can I specifically re-build a package with changed USE flags? In other words, I'd like to rebuild a few things I use often and am having speed issues with, but not the whole system (just yet - I'll want a distcc network up before I attempt the whole system all at once, esp. on this little IBM X40...) Thanks for your time! Hope I'm not too annoying! And if there's any part of my Netiquette that isn't correct, tell me. I've only been an active mailing list user for about a year and a half now, so I'm still learning! pgpbORANokCWp.pgp Description: PGP signature
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.8 [1.0.7-r4] -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java* -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznoxft -mozsvg +truetype -xinerama -xprint 32,135 kB I see here that I've got it compiled with the debug pointers (which I'm told slow things down) and it has no KDE/Qt support, either. This... could be a problem. -debug means you don't have debug pointers.. A use flag can be considered as a configure option.. -debug means --disable-debug, +gnome means --enable-gnome... What -debug does is it disables debugging, i.e., it strips the binary of debugging symbols.. +flags enables support for the feature.. To have a look at all the USE flag and what they do take a look at /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc and /usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc First: I'd like to know where I can change the USE flags globally, such that all new activity will have no debug support, which I don't need. I'd also like to add KDE/Qt functionality, if that's possible on the global level as well. (snip) Well add the following line to /etc/make.conf USE=kde qt I do believe that kde, qt and -debug are in make.defaults.. Atleast in x86 profiles they are, so i don't think you need to add the USE=kde qt line to /etc/make.conf as they are enabled by default How can I specifically re-build a package with changed USE flags? (snip) emerge --newuse --update --deep world Hope this helps, Farhan Ahmed PS: For more info about portage and USE flags, check the Gentoo documentation, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2 read all the sections, they contain valuable info.. -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgps1cIglLjvA.pgp Description: PGP signature
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 08:47 am, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you run emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox I get this: [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 [1.5.0.1-r4] USE=gnome ipv6 -debug -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 37 kB Do you really need ipv6? I doubt that this has anything to do with the problem at hand, but if you don't need it, you should remove it. If you don't know anything about ipv6, it's very probable that you don't need it. IPV6 is a protocol that is (AFAIK) just a layer below TCP/IP. I wouldn't remove it if I were you. No, this is simply wrong - IPV6 is the next generation protocol we are currently using IPV4 - why IPV6 is a default build flag i would have no idea, as from what i can see, it will be a good while before IPV6 actually becomes implemented. -- Nicholas Steicke - http://www.narthollis.net Information Belongs to the World (Antitrust, 2001) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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On Monday 01 May 2006 07:55 am, Justin Patrin wrote: On 4/30/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kesara Rathnayake wrote: PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. It may default to HTML now, as do Yahoo and Hotmail, but it's an easy thing to turn off. I'm still using gmail in text-only mode. It doesn't default to HTML. It defaults to RTF, and even then you can change that. (I hate HTML mailand I hate Outlook even more.) Outlook and Outlook Express are the two worst mail clients in the universe. They're too slow and bloated to do anything, and they don't accept ANYTHING other than MS Exchange server without throwing a Royal Temper Tantrum. pgpRAfmNePHbn.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Monday 01 May 2006 04:32 pm, Farhan Ahmed wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(snip)
These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.8 [1.0.7-r4] -debug
+gnome
+ipv6 +java* -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznoxft -mozsvg +truetype
-xinerama -xprint 32,135 kB
I see here that I've got it compiled with the debug pointers (which I'm
told slow things down) and it has no KDE/Qt support, either. This...
could be a problem.
-debug means you don't have debug pointers.. A use flag can be considered
as a configure option.. -debug means --disable-debug, +gnome means
--enable-gnome... What -debug does is it disables debugging, i.e., it
strips the binary of debugging symbols.. +flags enables support for the
feature.. To have a look at all the USE flag and what they do take a
look at /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc and
/usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc
Okay, that makes a lot of sense. That's something I didn't know.
So I went through all those different USE flags, and added ones I knew I could
add without anything blowing up. This is what I get:
# These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically
built this stage
# Please consult /etc/make.conf.example for a more detailed example
#CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe
CFLAGS=-march=i686 -O2 -pipe
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
MAKEOPTS=
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=
USE= X a52 aac alsa apache2 acpi arts audiofile avi berkdb bitmap-fonts bzip2
cdr cli crypt ctype cups dba eds directfb doc dri dvd dvdread elibc_glibc
emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat fam fastbuild foomaticdb
force-cgi-redirect fortran ftp gd gcj gdbm gif glut gmp gnome gpm gstreamer
gtk gtk2 gtkhtml guile hal hardened idn imlib ipv6 jpeg java javascript kde
kdexdeltas kernel_linux lcms libg++ libwww mad memlimit mikmod mhash mng
motif mozilla mime mmx mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nptl ogg opengl oss pam pcre
pdflib perl png posix python qt quicktime readline samba sdl session
simplexml slang soap sockets spell spl ssl sse sse2 svg tcltk tcpd tiff
tokenizer truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb udev userland_GNU vorbis
x86 xml xml2 xmms xsl xv zlib
FEATURES=
If anyone has any suggestions to further fine-tune this for a Pentium-M 1.0
GHz Ultra-Low Voltage chip, please tell me.
First:
I'd like to know where I can change the USE flags globally, such that all
new activity will have no debug support, which I don't need. I'd also
like to add KDE/Qt functionality, if that's possible on the global level
as well. (snip)
Well add the following line to /etc/make.conf
USE=kde qt
I do believe that kde, qt and -debug are in make.defaults.. Atleast in
x86 profiles they are, so i don't think you need to add the USE=kde qt
line to /etc/make.conf as they are enabled by default
I looked and they were already there. However, MMX, SSE and SSE2 were not
enabled, so I enabled those.
How can I specifically re-build a package with changed USE flags? (snip)
emerge --newuse --update --deep world
I'll try that just a little later, when I can leave my laptop without needing
to use it for anything, so that it can happily chew away at everything
without my needing to lag through other things.
Hope this helps,
It did! Thanks a bunch. I'm going to have fun tweaking my system for maximum
performance (one of my favorite passtimes while coding, I have to admit) with
these new options open to me!
Farhan Ahmed
PS: For more info about portage and USE flags, check the Gentoo
documentation,
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=2
read all the sections, they contain valuable info..
I'll put them on my to-read list. Right now I've got to go hunting through
MSDN for some junk on Visual C/C++/C#, for work. I don't normally go to MSDN
of my own accord, other than to check up on them and make sure they're still
there making millions of people angry.
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Nich Steicke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, this is simply wrong - IPV6 is the next generation protocol we are currently using IPV4 - why IPV6 is a default build flag i would have no idea, as from what i can see, it will be a good while before IPV6 actually becomes implemented. IPv6 is already implemented. For example my ISP provides me with a /64 which is routed to my DSL line. I connect to quite a few web sites using Ipv6, many DNS queries use it, and I have had over 500 incoming SMTP connections using it since upgrading to kernel 2.6.16 (when ip6tables lists new connections) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 April 2006 07:22 am, Jeff Rollin wrote: Oh, yeah. I couldn't understand why people raved about the speed of Gentoo till I added USE=-DG_DISABLE_DEBUG So, this is going to be a very elementary question, but it's honestly because I don't know. I have major problems with Firefox (and even Eclipse) acting very sluggishly. It's understandably annoying, but after using Windows for ten years, I've learned to just swallow a lot of garbage and forget about it. However, now that there's (possibly) a way to fix all this... I don't know about USE flags. I think I get that they're special compile-time preprocessor macros to enable/disable certain things, No, they are not. They enable/disable things, but they are not preprocessor macros. A USE flage might set or remove certain preprocessor macros, but that's not necessarily the main purpose of USE flags. but I don't know how to use them, as in change them. Read the manual. localhost ~ # emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: app-crypt/gpg-agent-1.9.19 --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-libs/libassuan-0.6.10 --- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: dev-libs/libksba-0.9.12 --- Invalid atom in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: =dev-libs/libassuan-0.6.10 ~x86 --- Invalid atom in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: =dev-libs/libksba-0.9.12 ~x86 --- Invalid atom in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask: =app-crypt/gpg-agent-1.9.19 ~x86 This part I'm worried about, but am not trying to fix right now. Any suggestions, though OT, would be nice. Suggestion: Fix your package.keywords and package.mask files. Seems you've got those files mixed up. Post the line with app-crypt/gpg-agent-1.9.19 from package.keywords and package.mask. These are the packages that I would merge, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.8 [1.0.7-r4] -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java* -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznoxft -mozsvg +truetype -xinerama -xprint 32,135 kB I see here that I've got it compiled with the debug pointers How do you see that? A - normally means, that something is substracted. So, I'd be interested to understand how you see that. (which I'm told slow things down) and it has no KDE/Qt support, either. This... could be a problem. First: I'd like to know where I can change the USE flags globally, It's in the manual. The file /etc/make.conf is your friend here. such that all new activity will have no debug support, which I don't need. Why do you think, that it has debug support? Second: How can I specifically re-build a package with changed USE flags? You know, reading the manual WOULD help. Really. You might be interested in /etc/portage/package.use Your questions are answered in the portage man page. Thanks for your time! Hope I'm not too annoying! And if there's any part of my Netiquette that isn't correct, tell me. Your real name is hilarious. Lord Sauron The Great ... Come on, how old are you? 10? Alexander Skwar -- To converse at the distance of the Indes by means of sympathetic contrivances may be as natural to future times as to us is a literary correspondence. -- Joseph Glanvill, 1661 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Hi! Everybody!I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem?-- wcw
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Works fine on mine; what are your USE flags?On 30/04/06, wu chuanwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Everybody!I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem?-- wcw -- --Argument against Linux number 6,033:...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble.
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow? Not really. In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down. Works fine here. Many peple have the same situation. Haven't heard of. Do you think so? No, I don't. And how can you solve this problem? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. Alexander Skwar -- Would you people stop playing these stupid games?!?!? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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2006/4/30, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Works fine on mine; what are your USE flags?USE=gtk gnome gcj hal -qt -kde dvd alsa cdr nptl nptlonly pic.It's OK!Oh god! Just like now ,i just open two tab,it's so slow when i switch between the two tab. On 30/04/06, wu chuanwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Everybody!I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem?-- wcw -- --Argument against Linux number 6,033: ...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble. -- wcw
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On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 02:59:06PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow? Not really. In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down. Works fine here. Many peple have the same situation. Haven't heard of. Do you think so? No, I don't. And how can you solve this problem? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. Alexander Skwar -- Would you people stop playing these stupid games?!?!? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Try using this: $ MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 firefox -- Andrea Barisani [EMAIL PROTECTED].*. Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Developer V ( ) PGP-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( ) 0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^ Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?Not really. In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Works fine here. Many peple have the same situation.Haven't heard of.Really?Open this page ,you can see how many people complant firefox from april 15th! Do you think so?No, I don't. And how can you solve this problem? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager.Can you tell me which version you are using ? Alexander Skwar--Would you people stop playing these stupid games?!?!?--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- wcw
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2006/4/30, wu chuanwen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] : wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?Not really. In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Works fine here. Many peple have the same situation.Haven't heard of.Really?Open this page ,you can see how many people complant firefox from april 15th! I am sorry,i forget the link:http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=252747 Do you think so? No, I don't. And how can you solve this problem? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager.Can you tell me which version you are using ? Alexander Skwar--Would you people stop playing these stupid games?!?!?--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- wcw -- wcw
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2006/4/30, Andrea Barisani [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 02:59:06PM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: Hi! Everybody! I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow? Not really. In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down. Works fine here. Many peple have the same situation. Haven't heard of. Do you think so? No, I don't. And how can you solve this problem? Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. Alexander Skwar -- Would you people stop playing these stupid games?!?!? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Try using this:$ MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 firefoxIt seems better now, but i am not sure.I will be very appreciated if you can tell me what the command means!Thanks! --Andrea Barisani [EMAIL PROTECTED].*.Gentoo Linux Infrastructure DeveloperV ( ) PGP-Key 0x864C9B9E http://dev.gentoo.org/~lcars/pubkey.asc ( )0A76 074A 02CD E989 CE7F AC3F DA47 578E 864C 9B9E^^_^^Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate --gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- wcw
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On Sunday, April 30 2006 22:52, wu chuanwen wrote: I am sorry,i forget the link: http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=252747 I don't think it'd be much help posting a Chinese forum thread in an English mailing list. -- Raymond Lewis Rebbeck -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
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2006/4/30, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sunday, April 30 2006 22:52, wu chuanwen wrote: I am sorry,i forget the link: http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=252747 I don't think it'd be much help posting a Chinese forum thread in an Englishmailing list.I just mean to show that many people don't think firefox is so good and i search some methods to solve the problem. --Raymond Lewis Rebbeck--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- wcw
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
wu chuanwen wrote: Can you tell me which version you are using ? mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 PS: Please only send HTML mails, if it is really necessary. Alexander Skwar -- There is only one word for aid that is genuinely without strings, and that word is blackmail. -- Colm Brogan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Works fine on mine; what are your USE flags? USE=gtk gnome gcj hal -qt -kde dvd alsa cdr nptl nptlonly pic. Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you run emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox I get: [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2-r1 [1.5.0.2] USE=-debug gnome -ipv6 java -mozdevelop -xinerama xprint 0 kB Have you yet tried a blank profile? Alexander Skwar PS: Please no HTML. Makes your posts harder to read. -- Is it really you, Fuzz, or is it Memorex, or is it radiation sickness? -- Sonic Disruptors comics -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
I know a lot of people don't recommend this, but I haven't had any trouble with CFLAGS=-O3, specifically in firefox 1.5.0.2On 30/04/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Works fine on mine; what are your USE flags? USE=gtk gnome gcj hal -qt -kde dvd alsa cdr nptl nptlonly pic.Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you runemerge -vpt mozilla-firefoxI get:[ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2-r1 [1.5.0.2] USE=-debug gnome -ipv6 java -mozdevelop -xinerama xprint 0 kBHave you yet tried a blank profile?Alexander SkwarPS: Please no HTML. Makes your posts harder to read.--Is it really you, Fuzz, or is it Memorex, or is it radiation sickness? -- Sonic Disruptors comics--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- -- Argument against Linux number 6,033:...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble.
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Oh, yeah. I couldn't understand why people raved about the speed of Gentoo till I added USE=-DG_DISABLE_DEBUGOn 30/04/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I know a lot of people don't recommend this, but I haven't had any trouble with CFLAGS=-O3, specifically in firefox 1.5.0.2 On 30/04/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Works fine on mine; what are your USE flags? USE=gtk gnome gcj hal -qt -kde dvd alsa cdr nptl nptlonly pic.Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you runemerge -vpt mozilla-firefoxI get:[ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2-r1 [1.5.0.2] USE=-debug gnome -ipv6 java -mozdevelop -xinerama xprint 0 kBHave you yet tried a blank profile?Alexander SkwarPS: Please no HTML. Makes your posts harder to read.--Is it really you, Fuzz, or is it Memorex, or is it radiation sickness? -- Sonic Disruptors comics--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- -- Argument against Linux number 6,033:...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble. -- --Argument against Linux number 6,033:...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble.
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Jeff Rollin wrote: Oh, yeah. I couldn't understand why people raved about the speed of Gentoo till I added USE=-DG_DISABLE_DEBUG What's that supposed to do? It doesn't seem to be a valid USE flag. Alexander Skwar PS: Top posts are no good. -- Brian Griffin: Seriously, who buys a novelty fire extinguisher? Peter Griffin: I'll tell you who: someone who cares enough about physical comedy to put his entire family into serious danger, that's who. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Jeff Rollin wrote: I know a lot of people don't recommend this, but I haven't had any trouble with CFLAGS=-O3, specifically in firefox 1.5.0.2 If -O3 REALLY gives a speedup depends heavily on your CPU. You might not get a speedup at all - and, more likely, you might not get a *noticeable* speedup. Alexander Skwar PS: Please no HTML! -- How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly colored power tools. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Works fine on mine; what are your USE flags? USE=gtk gnome gcj hal -qt -kde dvd alsa cdr nptl nptlonly pic.Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you runemerge -vpt mozilla-firefoxI get:[ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2-r1 [1.5.0.2] USE=-debug gnome -ipv6 java -mozdevelop -xinerama xprint 0 kB I get this:[ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 [1.5.0.1-r4] USE=gnome ipv6 -debug -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 37 kB Have you yet tried a blank profile?What do you mean?How to do it? Alexander SkwarPS: Please no HTML. Makes your posts harder to read.Do you mean the link i gave in the mail before?Or another thing?I'm sorry if i bring you any troubles but i really don't know what happen. --Is it really you, Fuzz, or is it Memorex, or is it radiation sickness? -- Sonic Disruptors comics--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- wcw
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
2006/4/30, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I know a lot of people don't recommend this, but I haven't had any trouble with CFLAGS=-O3, specifically in firefox 1.5.0.2I can't use O3 because i got many errors when complied my gentoo .I use O2,-- wcw
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Alexander, DG_DISABLE_DEBUG strips debugging information from binaries, making them smaller (and faster) Jeff. On 30/04/06, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Rollin wrote: I know a lot of people don't recommend this, but I haven't had any trouble with CFLAGS=-O3, specifically in firefox 1.5.0.2If -O3 REALLY gives a speedup depends heavily on your CPU. You might not get a speedup at all - and, more likely, you mightnot get a *noticeable* speedup.Alexander SkwarPS: Please no HTML!--How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One to hold the giraffe and one to fill the bathtub with brightly coloredpower tools.--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- --Argument against Linux number 6,033:...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble.
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
060430 wu chuanwen wrote: I think most of us are using firefox now. Do you think it's too slow? if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox, my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down. I have this problem with Independent (newspaper), but not generally. I suspect it's caused by heavy or badly-written Javascript. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you run emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox I get this: [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 [1.5.0.1-r4] USE=gnome ipv6 -debug -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 37 kB Do you really need ipv6? I doubt that this has anything to do with the problem at hand, but if you don't need it, you should remove it. If you don't know anything about ipv6, it's very probable that you don't need it. To the others: Is ipv6 still one of the default flags? Has this bug still not been fixed? Have you yet tried a blank profile? What do you mean? As I wrote: Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. PS: Please no HTML. Makes your posts harder to read. Do you mean the link i gave in the mail before?Or another thing? I mean, that you compose your mails in gmail as HTML or rich text. This makes them bigger without adding any benefit to it - indeed, as you can see above, it makes it even worse, as there are no proper quote marks before the quoted text. Simply click on plain text. Alexander Skwar -- Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be prosecuted. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hm, those are not firefox USE flags. What do you get, when you run emerge -vpt mozilla-firefox I get this: [ebuild U ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.2 [1.5.0.1-r4] USE=gnome ipv6 -debug -java -mozdevelop -xinerama -xprint 37 kB Do you really need ipv6? I doubt that this has anything to do with the problem at hand, but if you don't need it, you should remove it. If you don't know anything about ipv6, it's very probable that you don't need it. thinks for this advice.Maybe next time when i am free i will re -emerge my firefox To the others: Is ipv6 still one of the default flags? Has this bug still not been fixed? Have you yet tried a blank profile? What do you mean? As I wrote: Try a blank Firefox profile. To create one, run firefox -ProfileManager. I have tried,and i am not sure it fater now! Just some time to see it. PS: Please no HTML. Makes your posts harder to read. Do you mean the link i gave in the mail before?Or another thing? I mean, that you compose your mails in gmail as HTML or rich text. This makes them bigger without adding any benefit to it - indeed, as you can see above, it makes it even worse, as there are no proper quote marks before the quoted text. Simply click on plain text. Oh! I know now.I use gmail(i think it is the best e-mail now which can sort you e-mail by topic and looks very good!)and never see my mail from the mail-list in other application. Is this mail OK now ? Alexander Skwar -- Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be prosecuted. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Thanks for your reply! -- wcw -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On 4/30/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander, DG_DISABLE_DEBUG strips debugging information from binaries, making them smaller (and faster) Maybe as a CFLAG, but not a USE flag. And it will only affect gnome/glib/gtk applications. PS: As Alexander already said, please do not top post, and learn to trim your replies. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Am Sonntag 30 April 2006 14:24 schrieb wu chuanwen: I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem? Most certainly, this is a memory issue. For every tab you have open, Firefox keeps a 30-something pages history cache in memory, including pictures, for quicker back-browsing. If you are under tight memory (512MB, I'd say), you quickly notice that the memory requirements of Firefox make the computer start to swap, and that the system slows down considerably. You can turn off this history-caching somewhere, someplace on about:config, but I wouldn't know where. Search the net. You're not the first one to complain about this. --- Heiko. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
wu chuanwen wrote: Oh! I know now.I use gmail(i think it is the best e-mail now which can sort you e-mail by topic and looks very good!)and never see my mail from the mail-list in other application. Is this mail OK now ? Yes, that's *VERY* *MUCH* better now. Thanks a lot! Alexander Skwar -- In one moment, Earth; in the next, Heaven. -- Academician Prokhor Zakharov, For I Have Tasted The Fruit -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
2006/4/30, Heiko Wundram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Sonntag 30 April 2006 14:24 schrieb wu chuanwen: I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem? Most certainly, this is a memory issue. For every tab you have open, Firefox keeps a 30-something pages history cache in memory, including pictures, for quicker back-browsing. If you are under tight memory (512MB, I'd say), you My memory is 512mb,but still consider what you said is the point. quickly notice that the memory requirements of Firefox make the computer start to swap, and that the system slows down considerably. You can turn off this history-caching somewhere, someplace on about:config, but I wouldn't know where. Search the net. You're not the first one to complain about this. I have larger the cache to 80MB. It's not enough now? --- Heiko. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- wcw -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
On 4/30/06, Heiko Wundram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag 30 April 2006 14:24 schrieb wu chuanwen: I think most of us are using firefox now .Do you think it's too slow?In my machine,if i open 6 or more tabs in firefox,my firefox will be stuck and even can not scroll up and down.Many peple have the same situation.Do you think so? And how can you solve this problem?Most certainly, this is a memory issue. For every tab you have open, Firefoxkeeps a 30-something pages history cache in memory, including pictures, for quicker back-browsing. If you are under tight memory (512MB, I'd say), youquickly notice that the memory requirements of Firefox make the computerstart to swap, and that the system slows down considerably. You can turn off this history-caching somewhere, someplace on about:config,but I wouldn't know where. Search the net. You're not the first one tocomplain about this.I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we used today. -- -=::=--=::=- K35/\R/\ -=::=--=::=-
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
2006/4/30, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 4/30/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander, DG_DISABLE_DEBUG strips debugging information from binaries, making them smaller (and faster) Maybe as a CFLAG, but not a USE flag. And it will only affect gnome/glib/gtk applications. Are you sure it can work?Is there anybody else using it ?I have never heard of such cflag or use flag PS: As Alexander already said, please do not top post, and learn to trim your replies. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- wcw -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
wu chuanwen wrote: 2006/4/30, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 4/30/06, Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexander, DG_DISABLE_DEBUG strips debugging information from binaries, making them smaller (and faster) Maybe as a CFLAG, but not a USE flag. And it will only affect gnome/glib/gtk applications. Are you sure it can work?Is there anybody else using it ?I have never heard of such cflag or use flag Me neither. It seems that portage doesn't know about such a USE flag (euse -i DG_DISABLE_DEBUG doesn't show anything) and CFLAG - well, I don't know. It seems that also very few people use it - google doesn't return much and in the Gentoo forums, only one person called DizL sems to use ist. Alexander Skwar -- I can't decide which WRONG TURN to make first!! I wonder if BOB GUCCIONE has these problems! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Kesara Rathnayake wrote:
I guess Firefox is slow now because of whole lot of Extentions that we
used today.
To find out, I asked OP to create a blank profile. I also assume
a local problem at his side. OP should simply create a new profile
and report back.
Alexander Skwar
PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML
even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time.
Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this
list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)?
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have that, there's only security through obscurity. :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Jeff Rollin wrote: DG_DISABLE_DEBUG strips debugging information from binaries, making them smaller (and faster) I dont think there is any use flags like DG_DISABLE_DEBUG.. As for as debugging symbols goes the use flag 'debug' control them i guess.. And as far as i know on x86 arch it -debug, so by default it strips debugging info from binaries.. Here's a snip from portage/profiles/use.desc: debug - Tells configure and the makefiles to build for debugging. Effects vary across packages, but generally it will at least add -g to CFLAGS. Remember to set FEATURES=nostrip too Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgpc5NL3Fsmfh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Alexander Skwar wrote:
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To the others: Is ipv6 still one of the default flags? Has
this bug still not been fixed?
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Well in default-linux/{alpha,amd64,arm,hppa,ia64,m68k,s390,sh,x86}
profiles, its on by default.. I don know for sure that in hardened profile
it's turned off..
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Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
Alexander Skwar wrote: (snip) PS: I begin to hate Googlemail because of the default to use HTML even if it is not required. Sucks. Big time. Another thing that sucks, is that HTML mails are permitted on this list. Why not just dump the HTML part (and every other attachment)? Well I think imposing things is a bad way, I'm sure why we all hate M$ is because it imposes things on us and gives us no choice.. How bout making the users know bout things and let them decide.. I think you just converted one mailer from HTML to text.. I guess that's what required.. Proper guidance and knowledge not some rules which deny users the right to post, just because they do not know whether their mail client is sending mail in HTML format.. Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgphHy485E3KH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] why firefox is so slow?
I didn't say DG_DISABLE_DEBUG was a USE flag, I said it was a CFLAG. And it improves the speed of KDE applications too-- --Argument against Linux number 6,033: ...So this is like most Linux viruses. You have to download the virus yourself, become root, install it and then run it. Seems like a lot of work just to experience what you can get on Windows with a lot less trouble.
