Re: DS6800 and OS/390 2.9

2011-09-15 Thread Brian Westerman
You can use the DS/6xxx under OS/390 (back to 2.7), but you cannot use some of 
the DS/6xxx features.  You also MUST use system Z hardware (i.e. z-series), you 
cannot use a 9672 (or anything older than a z/800).  

We ran fine with a customer converting on a z/800 with OS/390 2.7 who converted 
from a 2105 to a DS/6 with no problems, we updated the hardware first (got 
rid of the 2105) and then updated them to the current version of z/OS (which 
was then z/OS 1.10).  They were on a 9672, but we moved the OS to the z/800 
first.  We didn't test if it would work on the 9672, the DS box wasn't going to 
be installed until 2 months after the z/800, so even though we were told that 
it wouldn't work, we never really got a chance to test it.  I do believe that 
it probably would not have worked on the 9672 though.

The entire conversion took about 3 months because of some application 
programming issues, the hardware part was a weekend thing to install the new 
Raid, copy everything to it and we were done.  We did run into some problems 
with how slow the copy ran, and we never did find out why, but once we were on 
the new DS box there seemed to be no problem, and we had other things to do so 
we never went back to look into it.  It wasn't as slow as going to tape first 
or anything, but it was not anywhere near as fast as we had calculated that it 
should be.

If you want you can contact me offline and I will help you all that I can.

Brian

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Re: DS6800 and OS/390 2.9

2011-09-15 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2011-09-15 10:26, Brian Westerman wrote:

[...] you cannot use a 9672 (or anything older than a z/800).

[...] we were told that it wouldn't work, we never really got a chance to test it.  I 
do believe that it probably would not have worked on the 9672 though.


Well... The above is not a contradiction, but I would rephrase first 
statement by using probably.


BTW: I was told there were problems with FICON channels (Can DS6800 have 
ESCON? AFAIK DS8xxx coudl have), and it was finally solved with some 
fixes n DS.


BTW2: I would start from OS upgrade, then I would try to upgrade disk.
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Re: CCW Trace

2011-09-15 Thread Miklos Szigetvari

Hi

I found a C++/assembler program from 1995.
(The assembler to READ VTOC)
It has read the CCW trace , and reported the DSN names and counts from 
the VTOC.


On 9/14/2011 10:42 PM, Staller, Allan wrote:

I have a DASD volume with very high activity and will be running a CCW
trace to gather diagnostic info. I have all the info I need to run the
trace.

Does anyone have (or can you point me to) the CCW trace reduction
program.
This was a program (basically PROC FREQ) that reduced the target
address of the seeks, and converted them to an easily readable format.

Does anyone have (or can you point me to) the CCW trace reduction
program.

IBM had it many moons ago and distributed it with fair regularity.
No $$$ for new tools.

I suppose I can re-write it if push comes to shove.

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Re: Mainframe article

2011-09-15 Thread Paul Gillis
From my last Share meeting in the mid 80s, 
JES3 is 1 Better.

Paul

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 I'd kill for those buttons; economics keep me at home.  :-(
 
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Re: Mainframe article

2011-09-15 Thread Barry Merrill
I didn't check all of the postings under this thread,
but all of the buttons cited are viewable, and most
credit the author and many have some history, at

   http://www.mxg.com/thebuttonman

plus there is the parody recording of Hoyt Axton's
Boney Fingers, new words written by Anne Ashley and
Dave Thewlis, and played at the very first
VS2 Performance session at SHARE in 1975.

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Re: Mainframe article

2011-09-15 Thread Shane
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:05:49 +1000 Paul wrote:

 From my last Share meeting in the mid 80s, 
 JES3 is 1 Better.

JES3 never had much appeal I must admit - however, at my first
(American) Share, I decided I'd drop over to the JES3 table to see if
anyone knew who the hell this Jaffe fella was.
Nope - they were all CICS folks from Hursley    huh ???. Empty
table, so they usurped it.

Eventually someone pointed me in the right direction.

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HYBRID is now In Vogue

2011-09-15 Thread Jim Marshall
Has anyone been notified of IBM changing their handles from zSeries or z 
something to Hybrid something. 

I ask this because I just purchased some IBM hardware of various types and my 
z hardware sales person is no longer z.   The person now shows as the 
official IBM title Channel Hybrid Sales Specialist for some FICON stuff I 
bought. 

So may z Software people will now be Hybrid Software Sales although maybe 
this is an unannouced marriage of the Passport Advantage sales team with the z 
Sales Team (oh no).  Maybe it will all be put onto Passport Advantage and no 
need for the z/OS software people (interesting cost savings). 

Now that IBM is going Hybrid in a big way, will z be called Legacy in the 
future?Stay tuned and let me know if anyone hears anything. 

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Re: HYBRID is now In Vogue

2011-09-15 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2011-09-15 14:17, Jim Marshall pisze:

Has anyone been notified of IBM changing their handles from zSeries or z 
something to Hybrid something.

I ask this because I just purchased some IBM hardware of various types and my z hardware sales 
person is no longer z.   The person now shows as the official IBM title Channel Hybrid 
Sales Specialist for some FICON stuff I bought.

So may z Software people will now be Hybrid Software Sales although maybe 
this is an unannouced marriage of the Passport Advantage sales team with the z Sales Team 
(oh no).  Maybe it will all be put onto Passport Advantage and no need for the z/OS 
software people (interesting cost savings).

Now that IBM is going Hybrid in a big way, will z be called Legacy in the 
future?Stay tuned and let me know if anyone hears anything.


Well...
Who cares?
Does it change anything in JCL?  g

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TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Bill Hecox
Several years ago I was working at a bank. They had a T/R network. Emplyees had 
a Desktop PC with a T/R card and a 3270 emulator(Attachmate I think).  They 
connected to M/F using SNA/LLC2 to an IBM 3172.

I asked a few of the employees to try TN3270 from the emulator to the IBM 
TCP/IP TN3270 server. It worked but we started getting session hangs on the 
TN3270 sessions. Tech employees could just restart their sessions but 
production employees could not tolerate the interruptions so we went back to 
SNA/LLC2 sessions. 

Does this problem still exist?\

Bill

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Re: HYBRID is now In Vogue

2011-09-15 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Thu, Sep 15th, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Jim Marshall jim.marsh...@opm.gov wrote:

 Has anyone been notified of IBM changing their handles from zSeries or
 z something to Hybrid something. 

Nice timing ...
Australia today announced a third option on passports for gender - Male,
Female and X (I kid you not). I wonder if your new Hybrid friends will
now feel receptary Jim ?.
Maybe just the Aussie ones    ;-)

Shane ...

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Re: HYBRID is now In Vogue

2011-09-15 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Jim, I think 'channel' and 'hybrid' are sales/marketing/supply chain terms, not 
technical terms, in this case. 

MA 

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Re: HYBRID is now In Vogue

2011-09-15 Thread John Cousins
Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead! ?


 Jim Marshall jim.marsh...@opm.gov 15/09/2011 13:17 
Has anyone been notified of IBM changing their handles from zSeries or z 
something to Hybrid something. 

I ask this because I just purchased some IBM hardware of various types and my 
z hardware sales person is no longer z.   The person now shows as the 
official IBM title Channel Hybrid Sales Specialist for some FICON stuff I 
bought. 

So may z Software people will now be Hybrid Software Sales although maybe 
this is an unannouced marriage of the Passport Advantage sales team with the z 
Sales Team (oh no).  Maybe it will all be put onto Passport Advantage and no 
need for the z/OS software people (interesting cost savings). 

Now that IBM is going Hybrid in a big way, will z be called Legacy in the 
future?Stay tuned and let me know if anyone hears anything. 

jim  

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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:57:02 -0500, Bill Hecox bill.he...@mail.com wrote:

Several years ago I was working at a bank. They had a T/R network. Emplyees 
had a Desktop PC with a T/R card and a 3270 emulator(Attachmate I think).  
They connected to M/F using SNA/LLC2 to an IBM 3172.

I asked a few of the employees to try TN3270 from the emulator to the IBM 
TCP/IP TN3270 server. It worked but we started getting session hangs on the 
TN3270 sessions. Tech employees could just restart their sessions but 
production employees could not tolerate the interruptions so we went back to 
SNA/LLC2 sessions.

Does this problem still exist?\

Bill


The problem never existed.  It must of been something shop specific.   Most 
likely
something related to keepalive settings or firewall.

I've been using TN3270 to connect to the mainframe for about 15 years on 
a regular basis and longer than that at some clients of mine.

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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Matan Cohen
I had the same problem because of a firewall not under my control , so I
enabled TSO-reconnect.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com wrote:

 On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:57:02 -0500, Bill Hecox bill.he...@mail.com
 wrote:

 Several years ago I was working at a bank. They had a T/R network.
 Emplyees had a Desktop PC with a T/R card and a 3270 emulator(Attachmate I
 think).  They connected to M/F using SNA/LLC2 to an IBM 3172.
 
 I asked a few of the employees to try TN3270 from the emulator to the IBM
 TCP/IP TN3270 server. It worked but we started getting session hangs on the
 TN3270 sessions. Tech employees could just restart their sessions but
 production employees could not tolerate the interruptions so we went back to
 SNA/LLC2 sessions.
 
 Does this problem still exist?\
 
 Bill
 

 The problem never existed.  It must of been something shop specific.
 Most likely
 something related to keepalive settings or firewall.

 I've been using TN3270 to connect to the mainframe for about 15 years on
 a regular basis and longer than that at some clients of mine.

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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Bill Hecox
At the time we talked to some other shops and they had the same experience so 
we went back to LLC2.

I was just talking to another co-worker. He indicated that IBM had problems 
with there TN3270 Server early on
with dropped sessions. IBM came out with many fixes for the TN3270 server and 
was stablized by 2005-2006.

Thanks,
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Re: Mainframe article

2011-09-15 Thread Scott Ford
Ed,
 
Yep, I agree, more than likely there are some legal issues. I am just curious 
on what the REAL number of z/OS shops are in the World and the USA.
 

Scott J Ford
Software Engineer
http://www.identityforge.com
 

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Scott,

There might be an issues between legal and let's say less than legal. A former 
company that I used to work for had 4 systems and paid IBM for two. The IBM rep 
knew they were supposedly only for DR hmmm, not really but I digress. IBM rep 
had full knowledge of the deal. One time I was at the second site and needed a 
DFDSS fix and I needed to d/l via dial up link and I got some raised questions 
from IBM. They allowed  the d/l. I didn't hear any fallout but there was some. 
I didn't do anything wrong it was management issue from start to finish. That 
is why the numbers are probably off.

Ed


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Re: Object modules

2011-09-15 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

On 9/13/2011 12:26 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:

I wouldn't say that. I'm not aware of a case where a delinker will
silently produce an object deck that doesn't match the load module.


Back in the sixties I ran into a problem with a module that had 
several CSECTs from a single assembly. DELINK0 appeared to work 
correctly, but the linker forced one of the names to a 
double-word boundary which it hadn't been before. I no longer 
recall the details, and haven't seen the problem since, and I 
long ago lost the output.


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Re: Object modules

2011-09-15 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:25:36 -0400, Gerhard Postpischil wrote:

Back in the sixties I ran into a problem with a module that had
several CSECTs from a single assembly. DELINK0 appeared to work
correctly, but the linker forced one of the names to a
double-word boundary which it hadn't been before. I no longer
recall the details, and haven't seen the problem since, and I
long ago lost the output.
 
Are you saying that a CSECT might otherwise have been loaded on
a non-doubleword boundary?  And this was considered the correct
behavior?

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Re: Object modules

2011-09-15 Thread Dan Skomsky, PSTI
I believe all CSECTs will start on a double-word boundary, but any USER
defined external reference within a CSECT has no boundary requirement.  Are
you saying that DELINK0 forced a non-CSECT external reference to be
double-word aligned?  If so, that ain't no good.

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On 9/13/2011 12:26 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
 I wouldn't say that. I'm not aware of a case where a delinker will 
 silently produce an object deck that doesn't match the load module.

Back in the sixties I ran into a problem with a module that had several
CSECTs from a single assembly. DELINK0 appeared to work correctly, but the
linker forced one of the names to a double-word boundary which it hadn't
been before. I no longer recall the details, and haven't seen the problem
since, and I long ago lost the output.

Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Chris Mason
Bill

 Does this problem still exist?

Your third response is from a Bill Hecox

... IBM came out with many fixes for the TN3270 server and was stablized by 
2005-2006.

assuring us that IBM has dealt with presumably a number of problems, one per 
fix in general, and one would hope that whatever problem - not very precisely 
defined - it was you used to experience has been covered by this maintenance.

If you are a bit more precise in what your problem was and provide a few 
details of the results of the problem determination you performed at the time, 
we can all try to pitch in with either a relevant APAR code or how 
customisation could help - as Mark Zelden indicated might be possible.

You must have performed some problem determination since you're stating that it 
was the session that hung rather than the TCP connection - or does your use 
of the word session cover both the SNA session concatenated to the TCP 
connection and it was never clear which of the two was the source of the 
problem you experienced?

Incidentally, how Matan Cohen can claim to have had the same problem, given 
that it was so imprecisely defined, is a bit of a mystery. He may have had the 
same - or a similar - *symptom*.

Chris Mason

On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 07:57:02 -0500, Bill Hecox bill.he...@mail.com wrote:

Several years ago I was working at a bank. They had a T/R network. Emplyees 
had a Desktop PC with a T/R card and a 3270 emulator(Attachmate I think).  
They connected to M/F using SNA/LLC2 to an IBM 3172.

I asked a few of the employees to try TN3270 from the emulator to the IBM 
TCP/IP TN3270 server. It worked but we started getting session hangs on the 
TN3270 sessions. Tech employees could just restart their sessions but 
production employees could not tolerate the interruptions so we went back to 
SNA/LLC2 sessions.

Does this problem still exist?\

Bill

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Re: HYBRID is now In Vogue

2011-09-15 Thread Dave Salt
 Australia today announced a third option on passports for gender - Male,
 Female and X (I kid you not). 

But X represents a female chromosome, and Y is for male. If only they'd 
gone with Z it would have fit right in with this group!   ;-)
 
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 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:00:55 +1000
 From: ibm-m...@tpg.com.au
 Subject: Re: HYBRID is now In Vogue
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 On Thu, Sep 15th, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Jim Marshall jim.marsh...@opm.gov wrote:
 
  Has anyone been notified of IBM changing their handles from zSeries or
  z something to Hybrid something. 
 
 Nice timing ...
 Australia today announced a third option on passports for gender - Male,
 Female and X (I kid you not). I wonder if your new Hybrid friends will
 now feel receptary Jim ?.
 Maybe just the Aussie ones    ;-)
 
 Shane ...
 
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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi Bill,

The IBM Communications Server TCP/IP and TN3270 support is very robust and we 
have run a good size z TCP network for years on both OS/390 and now z/OS 
without ever having significant issues with dropped sessions.  I would second 
Mark's suggestion that the problem you were aware of was site specific and not 
a widespread problem.
I believe that the majority of customers today accessing 3270 applications are 
doing so using TN3270 emulation.

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Subject: Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

At the time we talked to some other shops and they had the same experience so 
we went back to LLC2.

I was just talking to another co-worker. He indicated that IBM had problems 
with there TN3270 Server early on with dropped sessions. IBM came out with many 
fixes for the TN3270 server and was stablized by 2005-2006.

Thanks,
Bill


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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 12:13:29 -0400, Knutson, Sam sknut...@geico.com wrote:

Hi Bill,

The IBM Communications Server TCP/IP and TN3270 support is very robust and we 
have run a good size z TCP network for years on both OS/390 and now z/OS 
without ever having significant issues with dropped sessions.  I would second 
Mark's suggestion that the problem you were aware of was site specific and not 
a widespread problem.
I believe that the majority of customers today accessing 3270 applications are 
doing so using TN3270 emulation.


I think I didn't mention with my statement about 15 years was that back then 
much 
of the access was just TCP/IP and TN3270 was coming from a CISCO router.   I 
still
see that today at some shops (as opposed to using the z/OS telnet server).  

There's no way to know what the OP's configuration is / was since little 
information
was offered.

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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Hal Merritt
Sounds like a firewall issue in that it times out before the session.  Many 
emulators have a 'keep alive' feature. Try that. 

 

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Subject: TN3270 Session Hangs

Several years ago I was working at a bank. They had a T/R network. Emplyees had 
a Desktop PC with a T/R card and a 3270 emulator(Attachmate I think).  They 
connected to M/F using SNA/LLC2 to an IBM 3172.

I asked a few of the employees to try TN3270 from the emulator to the IBM 
TCP/IP TN3270 server. It worked but we started getting session hangs on the 
TN3270 sessions. Tech employees could just restart their sessions but 
production employees could not tolerate the interruptions so we went back to 
SNA/LLC2 sessions. 

Does this problem still exist?\

Bill

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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread zMan
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Hal Merritt hmerr...@jackhenry.com wrote:
 Sounds like a firewall issue in that it times out before the session.  Many 
 emulators have a 'keep alive' feature. Try that.

MTU can also manifest this way.
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DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?

2011-09-15 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
I have developed a JOINKEYS application, but I need to do one more function as 
part of the process, if it is possible.

I am joining two VB files on 2 keys in the fixed part of the VB records and 
using OUTFIL statements to split the result into multiple output files.  In 
each of the output files there is a header record (key values = all X'00') and 
a trailer record (key values = all X'FF').

I also want to insert a true record count into each trailer record in each 
output file, i.e. a record count that excludes the header and trailer records 
in a particular output file.

Frank Yaeger already helped me in a prior email to construct a way to produce 
this count for a single-file COPY operation using an INREC and an OUTREC, which 
would require a separate pass over each output file.  This is that function:

  OPTION COPY
* ADD SEQNUM BETWEEN RDW AND DATA. 
  INREC IFTHEN=(WHEN=INIT,BUILD=(1,4,5:SEQNUM,11,ZD,16:5)),
* USE SEQNUM-2 TO PUT COUNT OF DATA RECORDS IN 
* LAST RECORD (IDENTIFIED BY X'FF').   
  IFTHEN=(WHEN=(16,1,BI,EQ,X'FF'), 
 OVERLAY=(160:5,11,ZD,SUB,+2,M11,LENGTH=11))   
* REMOVE SEQNUM.   
  OUTREC BUILD=(1,4,5:16)  

Below is a sanitized version of my JOINKEYS application with just two of the 
OUTFIL statements as an example.

My question is, where do I place the INREC above to accomplish the insertion of 
the SEQNUM fields for each record in each OUTFIL such that each OUTFIL has the 
correct record count in the trailer record?  If I could do that, I could adjust 
the BUILD parameters in the OUTFIL statements to remove the SEQNUM inserted by 
the INREC.

I did try just adding the INREC/OUTREC following the SORT statement, but that 
results in a trailer count for the entire JOINed file, not individually for 
each OUTFIL file.

Can this be done in one pass?  Or do I need a separate trailer count pass for 
each output file?

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

Peter


Sanitized JOINKEYS application:

 OPTION VLSCMP,VLSHRT  
* SPECIFY JOIN RECORD RETENTION
 JOIN UNPAIRED,F2  
* SPECIFY THE JOIN KEYS FOR FILE 1 AND 2   
 JOINKEYS FILE=F1,FIELDS=(21,3,A,83,25,A)  
 JOINKEYS FILE=F2,FIELDS=(21,3,A,83,25,A)  
* SPECIFY REFORMAT FOR FILE 1 AND 2
* POSITIONS 1-2 OF ALL INPUT DATA RECORDS (VB POS 5-6) ALWAYS CONTAIN 'D1'
* POSITION 106 (VB POS 110) OF F1 DATA RECORDS ALWAYS CONTAINS 'J'
* POSNS 1-2 AND 106 (VB POS 506 AND 110) OF HEADER  RECORDS CONTAIN X'00'
* POSNS 1-2 AND 106 (VB POS 506 AND 110) OF TRAILER RECORDS CONTAIN X'FF'
 REFORMAT FIELDS=(F2:1,4,F1:110,1,F2:6)
 SORT FIELDS=COPY  
* THIS SELECTS ONLY MATCHED RECORDS   
* AND HEADER/TRAILER RECORDS   
* OUTPUT RECORD BUILD CHANGES THE 'J' BACK TO 'D'  
 OUTFIL FNAMES=OUT1,INCLUDE=((5,2,CH,EQ,C'J1'),OR, 
 (5,2,CH,EQ,X''),OR,   
 (5,2,CH,EQ,X'')), 
IFTHEN=(WHEN=(5,2,CH,EQ,C'J1'),
BUILD=(1,4,C'D',6:6)), 
IFTHEN=(WHEN=((5,2,CH,EQ,X''),OR,  
  (5,2,CH,EQ,X'')),
BUILD=(1,4,5:5))   
* THIS SELECTS ONLY UNMATCHED RECORDS OF ONE TYPE 
* AND HEADER/TRAILER RECORDS   
* OUTPUT RECORD BUILD CHANGES THE ' ' BACK TO 'D'   OUTFIL 
FNAMES=OUT2,INCLUDE=(((05,2,CH,EQ,C' 1'),AND,  
  (15,4,CH,EQ,C'0700')),OR, 
 (5,2,CH,EQ,X''),OR, 
 (5,2,CH,EQ,X'')),   
IFTHEN=(WHEN=(5,2,CH,EQ,C' 1'),  
BUILD=(1,4,C'D',6:6)),   
IFTHEN=(WHEN=((5,2,CH,EQ,X''),OR,
  (5,2,CH,EQ,X'')),  
BUILD=(1,4,5:5)) 
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Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?

2011-09-15 Thread Frank Yaeger
Peter,

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but I can think of two ways
to get a count like that.

One would be to use an IFTHEN WHEN=INIT clause in each OUTFIL before the
other
IFTHEN clauses to insert the sequence number (of course, you have to adjust
the positions in
the subsequent IFTHEN clauses).

The other would be to use COUNT-2=(edit) in TRAILER1 for each OUTFIL.

If you want more help with this, feel free to send me more details offline
(yae...@us.ibm.com):

Please show an example of the records in each input file (relevant fields
only) and what you
expect for output.  Explain the rules for getting from input to output.
Give the starting position,
length and format of each relevant field.  Give the RECFM and LRECL of the
input files.  If file1
can have duplicates within it, show that in your example.  If file2 can
have duplicates within it,
show that in your example.

Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Development Team (IBM) - yae...@us.ibm.com
Specialties: JOINKEYS, FINDREP, WHEN=GROUP, ICETOOL, Symbols, Migration

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Peter Farley on IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote
on 09/15/2011 11:09:13 AM:
 From: Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Date: 09/15/2011 11:10 AM
 Subject: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?
 Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

 I have developed a JOINKEYS application, but I need to do one more
 function as part of the process, if it is possible.

 I am joining two VB files on 2 keys in the fixed part of the VB
 records and using OUTFIL statements to split the result into
 multiple output files.  In each of the output files there is a
 header record (key values = all X'00') and a trailer record (key
 values = all X'FF').

 I also want to insert a true record count into each trailer record
 in each output file, i.e. a record count that excludes the header
 and trailer records in a particular output file.

 Frank Yaeger already helped me in a prior email to construct a way
 to produce this count for a single-file COPY operation using an
 INREC and an OUTREC, which would require a separate pass over each
 output file.  This is that function:

   OPTION COPY
 * ADD SEQNUM BETWEEN RDW AND DATA.
   INREC IFTHEN=(WHEN=INIT,BUILD=(1,4,5:SEQNUM,11,ZD,16:5)),
 * USE SEQNUM-2 TO PUT COUNT OF DATA RECORDS IN
 * LAST RECORD (IDENTIFIED BY X'FF').
   IFTHEN=(WHEN=(16,1,BI,EQ,X'FF'),
  OVERLAY=(160:5,11,ZD,SUB,+2,M11,LENGTH=11))
 * REMOVE SEQNUM.
   OUTREC BUILD=(1,4,5:16)

 Below is a sanitized version of my JOINKEYS application with just
 two of the OUTFIL statements as an example.

 My question is, where do I place the INREC above to accomplish the
 insertion of the SEQNUM fields for each record in each OUTFIL such
 that each OUTFIL has the correct record count in the trailer record?
 If I could do that, I could adjust the BUILD parameters in the
 OUTFIL statements to remove the SEQNUM inserted by the INREC.

 I did try just adding the INREC/OUTREC following the SORT statement,
 but that results in a trailer count for the entire JOINed file, not
 individually for each OUTFIL file.

 Can this be done in one pass?  Or do I need a separate trailer
 count pass for each output file?

 Sanitized JOINKEYS application:

  OPTION VLSCMP,VLSHRT
 * SPECIFY JOIN RECORD RETENTION
  JOIN UNPAIRED,F2
 * SPECIFY THE JOIN KEYS FOR FILE 1 AND 2
  JOINKEYS FILE=F1,FIELDS=(21,3,A,83,25,A)
  JOINKEYS FILE=F2,FIELDS=(21,3,A,83,25,A)
 * SPECIFY REFORMAT FOR FILE 1 AND 2
 * POSITIONS 1-2 OF ALL INPUT DATA RECORDS (VB POS 5-6) ALWAYS CONTAIN
'D1'
 * POSITION 106 (VB POS 110) OF F1 DATA RECORDS ALWAYS CONTAINS 'J'
 * POSNS 1-2 AND 106 (VB POS 506 AND 110) OF HEADER  RECORDS CONTAIN X'00'
 * POSNS 1-2 AND 106 (VB POS 506 AND 110) OF TRAILER RECORDS CONTAIN X'FF'
  REFORMAT FIELDS=(F2:1,4,F1:110,1,F2:6)
  SORT FIELDS=COPY
 * THIS SELECTS ONLY MATCHED RECORDS
 * AND HEADER/TRAILER RECORDS
 * OUTPUT RECORD BUILD CHANGES THE 'J' BACK TO 'D'
  OUTFIL FNAMES=OUT1,INCLUDE=((5,2,CH,EQ,C'J1'),OR,
  (5,2,CH,EQ,X''),OR,
  (5,2,CH,EQ,X'')),
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=(5,2,CH,EQ,C'J1'),
 BUILD=(1,4,C'D',6:6)),
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=((5,2,CH,EQ,X''),OR,
   (5,2,CH,EQ,X'')),
 BUILD=(1,4,5:5))
 * THIS SELECTS ONLY UNMATCHED RECORDS OF ONE TYPE
 * AND HEADER/TRAILER RECORDS
 * OUTPUT RECORD BUILD CHANGES THE ' ' BACK TO 'D'
 OUTFIL FNAMES=OUT2,INCLUDE=(((05,2,CH,EQ,C' 1'),AND,
   (15,4,CH,EQ,C'0700')),OR,
  (5,2,CH,EQ,X''),OR,
  (5,2,CH,EQ,X'')),
 IFTHEN=(WHEN=(5,2,CH,EQ,C' 1'),
 BUILD=(1,4,C'D',6:6)),
 

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2011-09-15 Thread Steve Comstock

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New Course Announcement: DB2 Version 10 Differences

2011-09-15 Thread Steve Comstock

DB2 Version 10 is now out, and our DB2 course author, Hunter
Cobb, has been hard at work putting together an intense course
that explains the new features and helps DBAs and application
programmers use these features.

This is our most intensive DB2 Differences course ever and
includes nine hands on exercises (with an optional tenth
exercise if time permits).


An overview of this course is available at:

  http://www.trainersfriend.com/DB2_and_VSAM_courses/G528descrpt.htm


and the detailed topical outline can be found at:

  http://www.trainersfriend.com/DB2_and_VSAM_courses/G528O.htm


If your shop is moving to DB2 V10, or if you have it installed
and are now ready to exploit V10's new features, this course
can save you months of trial and error and provide heavy hands-on
experience so you're ready and confident in just four days.

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Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?

2011-09-15 Thread Frank Yaeger
Peter,

Looking at your note again. I suspect that DFSORT's relatively new
IFTRAIL function of OUTFIL can help you do what you want more
easily (I suspect it wasn't yet available when I showed you the
SEQNUM trick).

For complete details on DFSORT's IFTRAIL, see:

http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=114uid=isg3T7000242

Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Development Team (IBM) - yae...@us.ibm.com
Specialties: JOINKEYS, FINDREP, WHEN=GROUP, ICETOOL, Symbols, Migration

 = DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort

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Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?

2011-09-15 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Hi Frank,

Replying in reverse order to your helpful replies.

Unfortunately I am using one of your competitors' products (Syncsort) and they 
don't have IFTRAIL yet, though I suppose they will at some point.

I will reply at more length to your other message shortly.

Thanks again for helping.

Peter

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Frank Yaeger
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:16 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?
 
 Peter,
 
 Looking at your note again. I suspect that DFSORT's relatively new
 IFTRAIL function of OUTFIL can help you do what you want more
 easily (I suspect it wasn't yet available when I showed you the
 SEQNUM trick).
 
 For complete details on DFSORT's IFTRAIL, see:
 
 http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=114uid=isg3T7000242
 
 Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Development Team (IBM) - yae...@us.ibm.com
 Specialties: JOINKEYS, FINDREP, WHEN=GROUP, ICETOOL, Symbols, Migration
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Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?

2011-09-15 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:24:43 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 
peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:

Unfortunately I am using one of your competitors' products (Syncsort) and they 
don't have IFTRAIL yet, though I suppose they will at some point.


Speaking entirely personally, and not as a representative of IBM, I'd like to 
suggest that as you're asking a Syncsort question it was rather misleading for 
you to have put DFSORT in your subject line.

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Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?

2011-09-15 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Well, I do also have DFSORT available, but for this application I won't know a 
priori which product will be used (it may run in different locations on 
different sysplexes) so I need to keep it compatible.  I am testing with both 
SORT versions.

Sorry if I did not make that clear.

Peter

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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Walt Farrell
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:51 PM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?
 
 On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:24:43 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353
 peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:
 
 Unfortunately I am using one of your competitors' products (Syncsort) and
 they don't have IFTRAIL yet, though I suppose they will at some point.
 
 Speaking entirely personally, and not as a representative of IBM, I'd like
 to suggest that as you're asking a Syncsort question it was rather
 misleading for you to have put DFSORT in your subject line.
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Re: HYBRID is now In Vogue

2011-09-15 Thread Jack Schudel
Given the zBX sidecar for the z196 and z114,
I think that the term Hybrid is appropriate,
even if it is a bit optimistic.


/jack



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Subject: HYBRID is now In Vogue


 Has anyone been notified of IBM changing their handles from zSeries or z 
 something to Hybrid something.

 I ask this because I just purchased some IBM hardware of various types and my 
 z hardware sales person is no longer z.   The
person now shows as the official IBM title Channel Hybrid Sales Specialist 
for some FICON stuff I bought.

 So may z Software people will now be Hybrid Software Sales although maybe 
 this is an unannouced marriage of the Passport
Advantage sales team with the z Sales Team (oh no).  Maybe it will all be put 
onto Passport Advantage and no need for the z/OS
software people (interesting cost savings).

 Now that IBM is going Hybrid in a big way, will z be called Legacy in the 
 future?Stay tuned and let me know if anyone hears
anything.

 jim

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Re: DFSORT JOINKEYS question: Where to put INREC and OUTREC?

2011-09-15 Thread Walt Farrell
On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 17:12:57 -0400, Farley, Peter x23353 
peter.far...@broadridge.com wrote:

Well, I do also have DFSORT available, but for this application I won't know a 
priori which product will be used (it may run in different locations on 
different sysplexes) so I need to keep it compatible.  I am testing with both 
SORT versions.

Sorry if I did not make that clear.

No, that wasn't clear. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: TN3270 Session Hangs

2011-09-15 Thread Bill Hecox
It was some time ago and the exact details escape me. 

I am relieved that the TN3270 Server is stable and can handle thousands of 
simultaneous sessions without 
difficulty. I do not want to get in a situation of suggesting that a shop 
convert to using TN3270 to the 
IBM TN3270 Server and have problems with sessions dropping.

Thanks for all the replies.

Certainly the firewall problem is worth keeping in mind if the situation 
arrises.

Bill.

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zOS 32-bit ? 64-bit ?

2011-09-15 Thread Lim Ming Liang

How do I identify a particular running z/OS is 32-bit or 64-bit ?
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Re: zOS 32-bit ? 64-bit ?

2011-09-15 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2011-09-16 06:52, Lim Ming Liang pisze:

How do I identify a particular running z/OS is 32-bit or 64-bit ?


It's easy: it is always 64-bit.

There is small chance that you find 31-bit machine (9672) and z/OS 1.4 
or eralier. In such case z/OS is 31 bit.


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