Re: strange bouncing of EMails

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

To me these look like bounce messages which should go to the list-admin
if that was possible tho they can be removed from the list :-)-O

I am not getting these though :-)-O

I don't have Finnish (can someone who does contact the correct new
address of the two offered perhaps?), but the second one looks like
they don't like fli.bund.de any longer and want to be called fli.de, so
maybe Eildert must unsubscribe the old address and resubscribe under
the new (which is why he reads in copy)

What I do when I get a stubborn mail program, is to create a filter
that moves the file into my bounce folder.

el


On 2017-01-24 22:43, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> I am using the lyx-users@lists.lyx.org and each time I am sending
> a mail to the list, I am getting the message shown below. I was
> told, that this happens to other members of the list too and it
> would be nice if the cause of the bouncing could be identified and
> removed. Thanks for your attention.
>
> Wolfgang Engelmann
> 
> When I am sending a mail to the Lyx User group lyx-users@lists.lyx.org I
> am getting
> 
> always this message:
> 
> Olen lomalla. Sähköpostia voi lähettää jollekin muulle henkilökunnastamme 
> etunimi.sukun...@vskonetarvike.com tai vaihtoehtoisesti 
> myy...@vskonetarvike.com
> 
> 
> Although I definetely do not use this address nor is it in my address
> book. In addition I got today this mail
> On 24.01.2017 18:06, mailmars...@fli.de wrote:
>> The following message was addressed to our organization using a
>> *domain name* that is being *retired*:
>>  
>>*From:*  engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
>>*To:*eildert.groenev...@fli.bund.de
>>*Subject:*   getting rid of white space in graphic
>>
>> Please update your email address lists by changing any addresses that
>> refer to *fli.bund.de* to our new domain name of *fli.de*.
>>
>> This notification is for your information only - your original message
>> *has been delivered* to the intended recipient.
>>
>> FLI MailMarshal
>> *Email Content Security*
>>
>> Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut
>> Bundesforschungsinstitut für Tiergesundheit
>> Federal Research Institute for Animal Health
>>
> What could I do about it?
> Wolfgang

Re: opening the same file in two different tabs

[gordon cooper]

 Had not thought about a New Window, I have been saving
the file with slightly different name, so that lyx does not
recognise it for a second tab.  Guess that one needs plenty
of disk room for this - I do have that on the elderly desktop.

Gordon.


On 25/01/17 11:59, Richard Heck wrote:

On 01/24/2017 05:24 PM, Julien SCORDIA wrote:

Hello,

Usually I edit a large document by splitting the view horizontally.
However I would like to open the document in two different tabs. When
opening an already open file, LyX only switches to the tab of this
file. Is this possible to change this behavior so as to open the file
in as many tabs as wanted?

Probably, so feel free to file an enhancement request. But what you can
do, for now (what I do), is do File> New Window, then open the file in
the new window.

Richard

Re: opening the same file in two different tabs

[Richard Heck]

On 01/24/2017 05:24 PM, Julien SCORDIA wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Usually I edit a large document by splitting the view horizontally.
> However I would like to open the document in two different tabs. When
> opening an already open file, LyX only switches to the tab of this
> file. Is this possible to change this behavior so as to open the file
> in as many tabs as wanted?

Probably, so feel free to file an enhancement request. But what you can
do, for now (what I do), is do File> New Window, then open the file in
the new window.

Richard

opening the same file in two different tabs

[Julien SCORDIA]

Hello,

Usually I edit a large document by splitting the view horizontally. 
However I would like to open the document in two different tabs. When 
opening an already open file, LyX only switches to the tab of this file. 
Is this possible to change this behavior so as to open the file in as 
many tabs as wanted?


Thanks in advance,

Julien

strange bouncing of EMails

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

I am using the  lyx-users@lists.lyx.org and each time I am sending a 
mail to the list, I am getting the message shown below. I was told, that 
this happens to other members of the list too and it would be nice if 
the cause of the bouncing could be identified and removed. Thanks for 
your attention.


Wolfgang Engelmann

When I am sending a mail to the Lyx User group lyx-users@lists.lyx.org I 
am getting


always this message:

Olen lomalla. Sähköpostia voi lähettää jollekin muulle 
henkilökunnastammeetunimi.sukun...@vskonetarvike.com  tai 
vaihtoehtoisestimyy...@vskonetarvike.com


Although I definetely do not use this address nor is it in my address 
book. In addition I got today this mail

On 24.01.2017 18:06, mailmars...@fli.de wrote:
The following message was addressed to our organization using a 
*domain name* that is being *retired*:


*From:* engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
*To:* eildert.groenev...@fli.bund.de
*Subject:*   getting rid of white space in graphic

Please update your email address lists by changing any addresses that 
refer to *fli.bund.de* to our new domain name of *fli.de*.


This notification is for your information only - your original message 
*has been delivered* to the intended recipient.


FLI MailMarshal
*Email Content Security*

Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut
Bundesforschungsinstitut für Tiergesundheit
Federal Research Institute for Animal Health


What could I do about it?
Wolfgang

Re: strange

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Perhaps you could also send an Email to the address below asking them to 
stop it. I will try tomorrow to phone them up. Wolfgang



On 24.01.2017 20:44, gordon cooper wrote:

  You are not alone Wolfgang, I have been getting them too.

Gordon.




eildert.groenev...@fli.bund.de

Re: strange

[gordon cooper]

  You are not alone Wolfgang, I have been getting them too.

Gordon.

Re: Change bar

[gordon cooper]

Dear Gunter,
   You have given me a guide as to the possible error.
Providing a minimum example is difficult as there is no error report
provided, so the problem could be anywhere. and I am not aware of
any non-standard settings.  This document is a User Manual with
many images and hyperlinks.

So, my next step will be to isolate the fault, using the old slow method
of halving, testing, then halving again etc., and hoping I can see it in
the source pane.  Will report progress.

Many thanks,
Gordon.


On 24/01/17 22:58, Guenter Milde wrote:

Dear Gordon,

On 2017-01-24, gordon cooper wrote:

Have added the Change bar module (Document>Settings>) to couple of
documents so that any Changes will be more obvious in the pdf copies
of Difference files sent to our translators.
The result is erratic. A few times lyx has produced a pdf with the desired
bars, but usually it appears to go into an internal loop, then crashes after
abou20-30 minutes.  If I remove the Change Bar module, then pdf copies
produced by exporting to pdflatex, are generated in a few minutes.
Add the Change bar module and the crashes return.

This looks very much like an incompatibility between the change bar latex
package and some of the other settings/packages you use.

Could you please send a *minimal example* (take a failing document and
remove every non-standard setting and every content that does not trigger
the error).


Have read through everything that seemed related in the User List
Archive, but no clues found.

Another good search point is the LyX bug tracker
https://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
but in this case the only "change bar ticket" is not relevant.

Sometimes also trackexchange or a generic internet search helps.

Günter

Re: getting rid of white space in graphic

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


I just did the following:

* inserted your image into a LyX document;
* clicked on it to open the graphics dialog;
* went to the Clipping tab;
* put a check next to "Clip to bounding box";
* clicked "Get from File" to load the bounding box defined in the
  image file;
* adjusted the corner points somewhat randomly; and
* clicked "Apply" ("OK" also works).


  For fine tuning the clipping adjust the above this way:

  1.  When image is loaded, click 'OK' to close the settings box.
  If you click 'Apply' when the image is first loaded you get a second
copy to the right. At least that's the results here.

  2.  With cursor within the image, right click and select 'settings.'

  3.  Now tweak the lower left and upper right values (one at a time) and
click the 'Apply' button to see the effect of your change. Rinse and
repeat until you're satisfied.

Rich

Re: getting rid of white space in graphic

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 01/24/2017 12:04 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
Slightly off topic: Normally I can cut off white space of a graphic by 
using the limitation box (Auf Begrenzungsbox zuschneiden, in German). 
But this does not work in the appended figure. Same, if I convert it 
in jpg, png, pdf). What could be the cause and is there an alternative 
by using a special program (gimp works, but with many figures its a 
bit cumbersome).


Wolfgang


I just did the following:

 * inserted your image into a LyX document;
 * clicked on it to open the graphics dialog;
 * went to the Clipping tab;
 * put a check next to "Clip to bounding box";
 * clicked "Get from File" to load the bounding box defined in the
   image file;
 * adjusted the corner points somewhat randomly; and
 * clicked "Apply" ("OK" also works).

That eliminated white space inside the image (and, with aggressive 
clipping, parts of the image as well).


Paul

Re: Beamer class observation [RESOLVED]

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


Turns out "newframe" is not an LFUN, it's a function I wrote back before
Jürgen rewrote Beamer support (but which still works). It's shorthand for
a rather lengthy command sequence. On my system, the definition is stored
in ~/.lyx/commands/default.def, which I'm attaching. If you park that file
in ~/.lyx/commands (or merge it into an existing default.def file, if
present), things should work.


Paul,

  My installation is a bit different from yours. I have no commands
subdirectory in ~/.lyx so I created one and moved default.def into it. Sure
enough, after a reconfiguration and restart the shortcut works.

Thanks very much,

Rich

Re: Beamer class observation

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 01/24/2017 12:46 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:


  Well, we identified the problem: something truly weird is happening.

  Opened the 20-minute beamer template in a new tab, navigated to the 
last

item in a frame, and entered 'call newframe' in the command buffer. Same
catatonic response as using the C-M-Return chord.

  Ah, well. I'll just keep doing what I've done before. Don't know this
issue is worth your time or mine.
Sorry, my bad. I've been using this so long I forgot its origin (several 
years ago).


Turns out "newframe" is not an LFUN, it's a function I wrote back before 
Jürgen rewrote Beamer support (but which still works). It's shorthand 
for a rather lengthy command sequence. On my system, the definition is 
stored in ~/.lyx/commands/default.def, which I'm attaching. If you park 
that file in ~/.lyx/commands (or merge it into an existing default.def 
file, if present), things should work.


Sorry about the confusion.

Paul

\define "newframe" "command-sequence paragraph-break inverse ; depth-decrement 
; depth-decrement ; depth-decrement ; depth-decrement ; layout Frame ; 
inset-dissolve ; environment-split"

Your email message was addressed to a domain name that is being retired. (fwd)

[Rich Shepard]

Mail list owner:

  Since last week, every post I send to the mail list results in my receving
the following message and one other. That one's not yet appeared for my
latest posting.

  Looking at the web site did not show me who is the assigned owner of the
mail list so I am forwarding it to the list with apologies to everyone else.

Rich

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Re: Beamer class observation

[Rich Shepard]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2017, Paul A Rubin wrote:


In the old days, I believe custom bindings had to be in the same bind file
with the regular bindings (meaning you had to hack emacs.bind and put the
hacked version in your local bind directory). Apparently that changed
somewhere along the line. Regardless of which bind file you select, LyX
adds anything it finds in ~/.lyx/bind/user.bind to the standard bindings.
You're not supposed to edit user.bind manually, either; it gets generated
automatically by LyX.


Paul,

  I was not aware of this. The 'call newframe' shortcut is in user-bind.


You're not near Washington D.C., are you? The laws of, well, pretty much
everything seem to fail somewhere near their event horizon.


  No. Portland, OR, area. I stay as far away from that swamp as I can.


Two things to check (after making sure the binding is in user.bind).
First, if you go into Tools > Preferences and search for ctrl+alt+return,
do you see the binding (in bold face) listed? If not, there's a problem
with LyX finding the user.bind file.


  Yes, it's in there.

If yes, open a Beamer file (making sure it's not read-only), park your cursor 
someplace where it would not be horribly illegal to start a new frame, use 
alt-x to open the command buffer, type 'call newframe' in it (no quotes) and 
whack return. If that starts a new frame, at least LyX is understanding the 
command. If not, something truly weird is happening.


  Well, we identified the problem: something truly weird is happening.

  Opened the 20-minute beamer template in a new tab, navigated to the last
item in a frame, and entered 'call newframe' in the command buffer. Same
catatonic response as using the C-M-Return chord.

  Ah, well. I'll just keep doing what I've done before. Don't know this
issue is worth your time or mine.

Many thanks,

Rich

Re: strange

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

Am Dienstag, den 24.01.2017, 18:18 +0100 schrieb Wolfgang Engelmann:
> When I am sending a mail to the Lyx User group lyx-us...@lists.lyx.or
> g I am getting 
> always this message:
> Olen lomalla. Sähköpostia voi lähettää jollekin muulle
> henkilökunnastamme etunimi.sukun...@vskonetarvike.com tai
> vaihtoehtoisesti myy...@vskonetarvike.com

This is an out-of-office message of someone subscribed to the list.
Everybody posting to the lists gets this now.

> Although I definetely do not use this address nor is it in my address
> book. In addition I got today this mail 
> On 24.01.2017 18:06, mailmars...@fli.de wrote:
> > The following message was addressed to our organization using a
> > domain name that is being retired:
> >  
> >    From:  engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
> >    To:eildert.groenev...@fli.bund.de
> >    Subject:   getting rid of white space in graphic
> > 
> > Please update your email address lists by changing any addresses
> > that refer to fli.bund.de to our new domain name of fli.de.

Similar.

Of course such automated messages should not go to mailing lists. But
these things happen.

Jürgen

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strange

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

When I am sending a mail to the Lyx User group lyx-users@lists.lyx.org I 
am getting


always this message:

Olen lomalla. Sähköpostia voi lähettää jollekin muulle 
henkilökunnastammeetunimi.sukun...@vskonetarvike.com  tai 
vaihtoehtoisestimyy...@vskonetarvike.com


Although I definetely do not use this address nor is it in my address 
book. In addition I got today this mail

On 24.01.2017 18:06, mailmars...@fli.de wrote:
The following message was addressed to our organization using a 
*domain name* that is being *retired*:


*From:* engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de
*To:*eildert.groenev...@fli.bund.de
*Subject:*   getting rid of white space in graphic

Please update your email address lists by changing any addresses that 
refer to *fli.bund.de* to our new domain name of *fli.de*.


This notification is for your information only - your original message 
*has been delivered* to the intended recipient.


FLI MailMarshal
*Email Content Security*

Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut
Bundesforschungsinstitut für Tiergesundheit
Federal Research Institute for Animal Health


What could I do about it?
Wolfgang

getting rid of white space in graphic

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

Slightly off topic: Normally I can cut off white space of a graphic by 
using the limitation box (Auf Begrenzungsbox zuschneiden, in German). 
But this does not work in the appended figure. Same, if I convert it in 
jpg, png, pdf). What could be the cause and is there an alternative by 
using a special program (gimp works, but with many figures its a bit 
cumbersome).


Wolfgang

Re: unfair business practices: Hamrick Software USA

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Besides the fact that I fail to see what this has to do with LyX, I
have been using that particular package for many years (predominantly
on the Mac but also on Windows (and even on Linux)) and am not only as
happy with it as Prof Knuth, but also found them to be extremely
responsive to constructive criticism.

They offer a free version for download which is identical but prints
watermarks, so one wonders if one should not have tested this before,
never mind a charge back.

greetings, el

On 2017-01-24 14:27, Michael Berger wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> if you should plan to purchase software from Hamrick Software USA
> (www.hamrick.com), please, be warned not to be trapped by this Company's
> fraudulent statements and business practices.
> 
> My story.
> 
> When looking for software to be used with HP Scanjet G4050 (not fully
> supported by XSANE) I came across the 'VueScan' software from Hamrick.
>
> The documentation and technical specification guaranteed exactly was
> I was looking for: a software using TMAs (Transparent Media Adapters)
> for scanning of color slides, color negatives etc. under Linux with my
> scanner. See screenshot attached.
>
> Fully convinced by what was stated I purchased the license to use
> 'VueScan Professional'' and made a credit card payment for US$ 89.95.
>
> However, I could use VueScan for ordinary flat bed scanning only,
> *nothing* else.
>
> Upon my complaint Ed Hamrick wrote: 'Unfortunately, VueScan only works
> with the transparency adapter on this scanner on Windows and Mac OS X
> (but not Linux)'.
>
> No sorry, no regrets, no money return, no compensation !
>
> When I asked him if that was all he could say, I got the following
> answer: '...please, make a bunch of postings mentioning VueScan. All
> publicity is good publicity' :-) Regards, Ed Hamrick
>
> I all my life I have never seen such insensitivity and coolness
> before.  What a highly educated and shifty business attitude!
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael
> 
> 

Re: Bug Lyx 2.2.2 saving file

[Kornel Benko]

Am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 um 13:08:49, schrieb Sven Diermann 

> Hi Kornel,
> 
> 
> 
> Please find my answers below.
> 
> These are the error messages:
> 
> [cid:image001.png@01D27696.86D82590]
> 
> 
> 
> [cid:image002.png@01D27696.CF60B840]
> 

I see. And yes, it is confusing.

> 
> And this appears every time, I want to save anything.
> 

Can it be you are editing the backup-file?

> 
> What can I do?
> 

Sorry, I cannot see this effect here. Maybe on windows only?

> 
> Wir koennen auch gern auf Deutsch schreiben.
> 

Das würde leider auch nicht helfen.

Kornel

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RE: Bug Lyx 2.2.2 saving file

[Sven Diermann]

Hi Kornel,



Please find my answers below.

These are the error messages:

[cid:image001.png@01D27696.86D82590]



[cid:image002.png@01D27696.CF60B840]



And this appears every time, I want to save anything.



What can I do?



Wir koennen auch gern auf Deutsch schreiben.



Sven



-Original Message-
From: Kornel Benko [mailto:kor...@lyx.org]
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2017 10:44 PM
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Cc: Sven Diermann 
Subject: Re: Bug Lyx 2.2.2 saving file



Am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 um 11:12:04, schrieb Sven Diermann 
>

> Dear Mr. Benko,



Hi, first of all, please keep the conversation on the mailing list.



> I am a big fan of Lyx and I thought I upgrade to the latest version 2.2.2 
> after using 2.1.3.

> Now I have trouble saving the .lyx file. The error message says:

> LyX: Backup failure.

> Cannot create backup file "THE PATH WERE I WANT TO SAVE IT". Please check 
> whether the directory exists and is writable.



How did you specify the backup directory?

(I suppose 'Tools->Preferences...->Paths->BackUp directory')

Yes



> It certainly exists and is writable because I just created this file 1min ago 
> for test purposes.

> Instead it saves the file under a alternative name such as:

> Wanted: test.lyx

> Actual: test-qr6264.lyx



What is wrong with this file name? In the end it is backup only, not meant for 
normal workflow.

The issue is that it doesn’t save the original file.





> I tried to use the backup directory, however if I use it all the "\" are 
> converted to "!"

> which does not help the problem in identifying the correct path.



You mean, you are using '"' chars in file names?

Normally I'd expect the path-separators to be converted to '!'.



> Thanks for your help.

>

> Best regards,

> Sven Diermann



Kornel

Re: Bug Lyx 2.2.2 saving file

[Kornel Benko]

Am Dienstag, 24. Januar 2017 um 11:12:04, schrieb Sven Diermann 

> Dear Mr. Benko,

Hi, first of all, please keep the conversation on the mailing list.

> I am a big fan of Lyx and I thought I upgrade to the latest version 2.2.2 
> after using 2.1.3.
> Now I have trouble saving the .lyx file. The error message says:
> LyX: Backup failure.
> Cannot create backup file "THE PATH WERE I WANT TO SAVE IT". Please check 
> whether the directory exists and is writable.

How did you specify the backup directory?
(I suppose 'Tools->Preferences...->Paths->BackUp directory')

> It certainly exists and is writable because I just created this file 1min ago 
> for test purposes.
> Instead it saves the file under a alternative name such as:
> Wanted: test.lyx
> Actual: test-qr6264.lyx

What is wrong with this file name? In the end it is backup only, not meant for 
normal workflow.

> I tried to use the backup directory, however if I use it all the "\" are 
> converted to "!"
> which does not help the problem in identifying the correct path.

You mean, you are using '"' chars in file names?
Normally I'd expect the path-separators to be converted to '!'.

> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sven Diermann

Kornel

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unfair business practices: Hamrick Software USA

[Michael Berger]

Dear all,

if you should plan to purchase software from Hamrick Software USA 
(www.hamrick.com), please, be warned not to be trapped by this Company's 
fraudulent statements and business practices.


My story.

When looking for software to be used with HP Scanjet G4050 (not fully 
supported by XSANE) I came across the 'VueScan' software from Hamrick.


The documentation and technical specification guaranteed exactly was I 
was looking for: a software using TMAs (Transparent Media Adapters) for 
scanning of color slides, color negatives etc. under Linux with my 
scanner. See screenshot attached.


Fully convinced by what was stated I purchased the license to use 
'VueScan Professional'' and made a credit card payment for US$ 89.95.


However, I could use VueScan for ordinary flat bed scanning only, 
*nothing* else.


Upon my complaint Ed Hamrick wrote: 'Unfortunately, VueScan only works 
with the transparency adapter on this scanner on Windows and Mac OS X 
(but not Linux)'.


No sorry, no regrets, no money return, no compensation !

When I asked him if that was all he could say, I got the following 
answer: '...please, make a bunch of postings mentioning VueScan. All 
publicity is good publicity' :-) Regards, Ed Hamrick


I all my life I have never seen such insensitivity and coolness before. 
What a highly educated and shifty business attitude!


Cheers,
Michael




VueScan-Specs
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: Change bar

[Guenter Milde]

Dear Gordon,

On 2017-01-24, gordon cooper wrote:
> Have added the Change bar module (Document>Settings>) to couple of
> documents so that any Changes will be more obvious in the pdf copies
> of Difference files sent to our translators.

> The result is erratic. A few times lyx has produced a pdf with the desired
> bars, but usually it appears to go into an internal loop, then crashes after
> abou20-30 minutes.  If I remove the Change Bar module, then pdf copies
> produced by exporting to pdflatex, are generated in a few minutes.

> Add the Change bar module and the crashes return.

This looks very much like an incompatibility between the change bar latex
package and some of the other settings/packages you use.

Could you please send a *minimal example* (take a failing document and
remove every non-standard setting and every content that does not trigger
the error).

> Have read through everything that seemed related in the User List
> Archive, but no clues found.

Another good search point is the LyX bug tracker
https://www.lyx.org/trac/wiki/BugTrackerHome
but in this case the only "change bar ticket" is not relevant.

Sometimes also trackexchange or a generic internet search helps.

Günter