Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Oh darn, there goes my "new" Mac. (big grin) That is fantastic. So 
glad you fixed it.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 8:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So after spending most of the evening trying to set up my new user profile, I 
fixed the option key problem.

I was using the status menu to check the battery.  In doing so, I passed over 
the Text Input item in the extras menu.  It was set to Unicode Hex, rather than 
US.  I had actually checked that setting under keyboard prefs and it was set 
correctly, but evidently, the setting in the Extras menu is separate from the 
setting in Keyboard prefs.

This has easily been one of the most annoying problems I've ever encountered on 
the Mac.  On the upside, I don't have to spend the next week configuring the 
new user profile.
Cheers,
Donna



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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I did not think of that, super idea. Good luck Donna. I am close to 
kidnapping that MBP! (smiles)


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 2:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks!  Actually, I just got off the phone with Apple again.  Since creating 
another user solved the issue, I'm just gonna do that and move my content over. 
 Thanks, though.  If this doesn't work, I'll take you up on it.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   You might get away with it. Hey an idea. This is off list. Let me know which 
file or folder you want and I will attach it from my High Sierra.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:59 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, but I'd still have the same problem.  I doubt I can cut and paste a 
system prefs file from Sierra, now that I'm running High Sierra.
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a Finder 
window and use the normal navigation commands to get to a folder with the date 
in its folder name you desire and open it. If you know which folder or file you 
want, just copy and paste it.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:43 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP.  I just realized that I can't 
restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I upgraded to High 
Sierra.  So for now, I'm giving yup on the MBP, and going back to my 2013 
MacBook Air.  It's old, but at least it works.
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and from there 
find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to switch between the 
Finder window and the TM controls.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,
I was looking at that article a few minutes ago.  I can get to System 
Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date.  In the article 
it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything like that.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. Look in the 
Restore section of the article.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore>

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding 
the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, a clean install?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,
Just tried the two solutions you proposed below.  Resetting VO prefs did not 
help, but creating a new user did.  When I'm logged in as the other user, the 
Option key works perfectly.  So now what do I do with that information?
Thanks,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to me like 
the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are fine from a 
hardware prospective.  Thus, software is likely the culprit.  Before we do the 
drastic thing of a clean install, let's try two things.

First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if they're 
causing any grief.

• open the VO Utility
• Up to the File menu.
• Down to Export.
• Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
• Press return.
• cmd-q to quit the VO Utility.

You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something like VoiceOver 
Archive.  This is a backup of your current VO settings that we can easily put 
back in place if this doesn't help.  Next, go back into the VO Utility and go 
under the File menu, choose Reset All Preferences and confirm.  VO will revert 
back to its default settings that Apple sends out with it

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Aww shucks. (grins)

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 3:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

If it keeps acting up, you may not have to kidnap it. lol

Thanks, ET.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   I did not think of that, super idea. Good luck Donna. I am close to 
kidnapping that MBP! (smiles)

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 2:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks!  Actually, I just got off the phone with Apple again.  Since creating 
another user solved the issue, I'm just gonna do that and move my content over. 
 Thanks, though.  If this doesn't work, I'll take you up on it.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   You might get away with it. Hey an idea. This is off list. Let me know which 
file or folder you want and I will attach it from my High Sierra.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:59 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, but I'd still have the same problem.  I doubt I can cut and paste a 
system prefs file from Sierra, now that I'm running High Sierra.
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a Finder 
window and use the normal navigation commands to get to a folder with the date 
in its folder name you desire and open it. If you know which folder or file you 
want, just copy and paste it.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:43 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP.  I just realized that I can't 
restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I upgraded to High 
Sierra.  So for now, I'm giving yup on the MBP, and going back to my 2013 
MacBook Air.  It's old, but at least it works.
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and from there 
find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to switch between the 
Finder window and the TM controls.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,
I was looking at that article a few minutes ago.  I can get to System 
Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date.  In the article 
it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything like that.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. Look in the 
Restore section of the article.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore>

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding 
the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, a clean install?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,
Just tried the two solutions you proposed below.  Resetting VO prefs did not 
help, but creating a new user did.  When I'm logged in as the other user, the 
Option key works perfectly.  So now what do I do with that information?
Thanks,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to me like 
the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are fine from a 
hardware prospective.  Thus, software is likely the culprit.  Before we do the 
drastic thing of a clean install, let's try two things.

First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if they're 
causing any grief.

• open the VO Utility
• Up to the File menu.
• Down to Export.
• Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
• Press return.
• cmd-q to

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   You might get away with it. Hey an idea. This is off list. Let me 
know which file or folder you want and I will attach it from my High Sierra.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:59 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, but I'd still have the same problem.  I doubt I can cut and paste a 
system prefs file from Sierra, now that I'm running High Sierra.
Donna


On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a Finder 
window and use the normal navigation commands to get to a folder with the date 
in its folder name you desire and open it. If you know which folder or file you 
want, just copy and paste it.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:43 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP.  I just realized that I can't 
restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I upgraded to High 
Sierra.  So for now, I'm giving yup on the MBP, and going back to my 2013 
MacBook Air.  It's old, but at least it works.
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and from there 
find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to switch between the 
Finder window and the TM controls.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,
I was looking at that article a few minutes ago.  I can get to System 
Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date.  In the article 
it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything like that.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. Look in the 
Restore section of the article.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore>

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding 
the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, a clean install?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,
Just tried the two solutions you proposed below.  Resetting VO prefs did not 
help, but creating a new user did.  When I'm logged in as the other user, the 
Option key works perfectly.  So now what do I do with that information?
Thanks,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to me like 
the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are fine from a 
hardware prospective.  Thus, software is likely the culprit.  Before we do the 
drastic thing of a clean install, let's try two things.

First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if they're 
causing any grief.

• open the VO Utility
• Up to the File menu.
• Down to Export.
• Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
• Press return.
• cmd-q to quit the VO Utility.

You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something like VoiceOver 
Archive.  This is a backup of your current VO settings that we can easily put 
back in place if this doesn't help.  Next, go back into the VO Utility and go 
under the File menu, choose Reset All Preferences and confirm.  VO will revert 
back to its default settings that Apple sends out with it.  Try using the 
option key now in text fields.  If this doesn't help, just VO-space on the 
VoiceOver Archive item on your Desktop and VO will return to the normal way you 
had it set.  Then we'll go to our second thing to try.

Second Thing to Try is to create a new user and test things on it:

• Open System Prefs.
• Open Users & Groups.
• Press the lock to unlock this pane.
• Press the Add user button
• Give the user a name and password.
• Click Create and let it do its work.
• Close System Prefs.
• Log out of this user and log into your newly created user.
• Turn on VO
• Open a TextEdit document and see if the 

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a 
Finder window and use the normal navigation commands to get to a folder 
with the date in its folder name you desire and open it. If you know 
which folder or file you want, just copy and paste it.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:43 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP.  I just realized that I can't 
restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I upgraded to High 
Sierra.  So for now, I'm giving yup on the MBP, and going back to my 2013 
MacBook Air.  It's old, but at least it works.
Donna


On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and from there 
find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to switch between the 
Finder window and the TM controls.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 1:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,
I was looking at that article a few minutes ago.  I can get to System 
Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date.  In the article 
it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything like that.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. Look in the 
Restore section of the article.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore>

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding 
the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, a clean install?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,
Just tried the two solutions you proposed below.  Resetting VO prefs did not 
help, but creating a new user did.  When I'm logged in as the other user, the 
Option key works perfectly.  So now what do I do with that information?
Thanks,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to me like 
the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are fine from a 
hardware prospective.  Thus, software is likely the culprit.  Before we do the 
drastic thing of a clean install, let's try two things.

First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if they're 
causing any grief.

• open the VO Utility
• Up to the File menu.
• Down to Export.
• Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
• Press return.
• cmd-q to quit the VO Utility.

You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something like VoiceOver 
Archive.  This is a backup of your current VO settings that we can easily put 
back in place if this doesn't help.  Next, go back into the VO Utility and go 
under the File menu, choose Reset All Preferences and confirm.  VO will revert 
back to its default settings that Apple sends out with it.  Try using the 
option key now in text fields.  If this doesn't help, just VO-space on the 
VoiceOver Archive item on your Desktop and VO will return to the normal way you 
had it set.  Then we'll go to our second thing to try.

Second Thing to Try is to create a new user and test things on it:

• Open System Prefs.
• Open Users & Groups.
• Press the lock to unlock this pane.
• Press the Add user button
• Give the user a name and password.
• Click Create and let it do its work.
• Close System Prefs.
• Log out of this user and log into your newly created user.
• Turn on VO
• Open a TextEdit document and see if the option key works in this user.

Let me know your results.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2018, at 08:54, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Just tried it.  The problem still exists using the external keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

A Windows keyboard is fine.  The only difference is usually the placement of 
the cmd and option keys.  From the lower left of the keyboard, on the Mac 
keyboard, it goes 

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Donna,
   This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. 
Look in the Restore section of the article.


<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore>

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding 
the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, a clean install?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,
Just tried the two solutions you proposed below.  Resetting VO prefs did not 
help, but creating a new user did.  When I'm logged in as the other user, the 
Option key works perfectly.  So now what do I do with that information?
Thanks,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to me like 
the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are fine from a 
hardware prospective.  Thus, software is likely the culprit.  Before we do the 
drastic thing of a clean install, let's try two things.

First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if they're 
causing any grief.

• open the VO Utility
• Up to the File menu.
• Down to Export.
• Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
• Press return.
• cmd-q to quit the VO Utility.

You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something like VoiceOver 
Archive.  This is a backup of your current VO settings that we can easily put 
back in place if this doesn't help.  Next, go back into the VO Utility and go 
under the File menu, choose Reset All Preferences and confirm.  VO will revert 
back to its default settings that Apple sends out with it.  Try using the 
option key now in text fields.  If this doesn't help, just VO-space on the 
VoiceOver Archive item on your Desktop and VO will return to the normal way you 
had it set.  Then we'll go to our second thing to try.

Second Thing to Try is to create a new user and test things on it:

• Open System Prefs.
• Open Users & Groups.
• Press the lock to unlock this pane.
• Press the Add user button
• Give the user a name and password.
• Click Create and let it do its work.
• Close System Prefs.
• Log out of this user and log into your newly created user.
• Turn on VO
• Open a TextEdit document and see if the option key works in this user.

Let me know your results.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2018, at 08:54, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Just tried it.  The problem still exists using the external keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

A Windows keyboard is fine.  The only difference is usually the placement of 
the cmd and option keys.  From the lower left of the keyboard, on the Mac 
keyboard, it goes FN, control, option, command then space.  On the Windows 
keyboard, when connected to a Mac, at the lower left, it goes control, command, 
option, space.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2018, at 06:29, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Anne,

I haven't.  Unfortunately, the only external keyboard I have is a Windows 
keyboard, so not sure how I would test this. But I don't think the problem is 
the keyboard.  This only happens when I'm in an editable field, email, 
documents and so on.  For example, when I'm reading your message, the option 
key works just as expected.  It's only when I go to reply to you--and thus have 
an edit field open, that it stops working.

I think I'm going to give regular Apple tech support a call this morning.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:54 AM, Anne Robertson mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:

Hello Donna,

Have you tried connecting an external keyboard to see whether the behaviour 
continues?
Cheers,

Anne



On 28 Jun 2018, at 02:52, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

I'm using the left.  I have the right set for shortcuts for opening apps.  I 
just tried using the right, and the result was the same.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

One more questions.  Are you using the left or right option key when trying 
this?

Later...

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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurra

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and 
from there find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to 
switch between the Finder window and the TM controls.


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On 7/3/2018 1:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey ET,

I was looking at that article a few minutes ago.  I can get to System 
Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date.  In the article 
it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything like that.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. Look in the 
Restore section of the article.

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore>

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On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Donna,
   Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding 
the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, a clean install?

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On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,
Just tried the two solutions you proposed below.  Resetting VO prefs did not 
help, but creating a new user did.  When I'm logged in as the other user, the 
Option key works perfectly.  So now what do I do with that information?
Thanks,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi,

So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to me like 
the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are fine from a 
hardware prospective.  Thus, software is likely the culprit.  Before we do the 
drastic thing of a clean install, let's try two things.

First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if they're 
causing any grief.

• open the VO Utility
• Up to the File menu.
• Down to Export.
• Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
• Press return.
• cmd-q to quit the VO Utility.

You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something like VoiceOver 
Archive.  This is a backup of your current VO settings that we can easily put 
back in place if this doesn't help.  Next, go back into the VO Utility and go 
under the File menu, choose Reset All Preferences and confirm.  VO will revert 
back to its default settings that Apple sends out with it.  Try using the 
option key now in text fields.  If this doesn't help, just VO-space on the 
VoiceOver Archive item on your Desktop and VO will return to the normal way you 
had it set.  Then we'll go to our second thing to try.

Second Thing to Try is to create a new user and test things on it:

• Open System Prefs.
• Open Users & Groups.
• Press the lock to unlock this pane.
• Press the Add user button
• Give the user a name and password.
• Click Create and let it do its work.
• Close System Prefs.
• Log out of this user and log into your newly created user.
• Turn on VO
• Open a TextEdit document and see if the option key works in this user.

Let me know your results.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2018, at 08:54, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Just tried it.  The problem still exists using the external keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,

A Windows keyboard is fine.  The only difference is usually the placement of 
the cmd and option keys.  From the lower left of the keyboard, on the Mac 
keyboard, it goes FN, control, option, command then space.  On the Windows 
keyboard, when connected to a Mac, at the lower left, it goes control, command, 
option, space.

Later...

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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2018, at 06:29, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Hi Anne,

I haven't.  Unfortunately, the only external keyboard I have is a Windows 
keyboard, so not sure how I would test this. But I don't think the problem is 
the keyboard.  This only happens when I'm in an editable field, email, 
documents and so on.  For example, when I'm reading your message, the option 
key works just as expected.  It's only when I go to reply to you--and thus have 
an edit field open, that it stops working.

I think I'm going to give regular Apple tech support a call this 

Re: file viewing question

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   That option is under the advanced tab. The OP cannot find it so he 
may be using an older OS.


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On 7/3/2018 4:46 AM, Kristeen Hughes wrote:

Open the preferences in finder with the command+,. Then under the general tab, 
if you look through the settings there will be a checkbox for displaying the 
folders on top. This is unchecked by default. Check that and it should do the 
trick.

Kristeen



On Jul 1, 2018, at 12:25 AM, The wolf  wrote:

Hello how do I set up the mac to display all the folders first then the 
invidual files?

I have a flash drive with both folders and also single files

am wanting to have it list the folders on top then the single stuff under neath 
that not sure if this is making any sense.

but if any one could help me with this it would be totally awesome.

thanks

Hank


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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

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Donna,
   Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date 
preceding the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, 
a clean install?


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On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,

Just tried the two solutions you proposed below.  Resetting VO prefs did 
not help, but creating a new user did.  When I'm logged in as the other 
user, the Option key works perfectly.  So now what do I do with that 
information?

Thanks,
Donna


On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Hi,

So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to 
me like the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are 
fine from a hardware prospective.  Thus, software is likely the 
culprit.  Before we do the drastic thing of a clean install, let's try 
two things.


First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see if 
they're causing any grief.


• open the VO Utility
• Up to the File menu.
• Down to Export.
• Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop.
• Press return.
• cmd-q to quit the VO Utility.

You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something like 
VoiceOver Archive.  This is a backup of your current VO settings that 
we can easily put back in place if this doesn't help.  Next, go back 
into the VO Utility and go under the File menu, choose Reset All 
Preferences and confirm.  VO will revert back to its default settings 
that Apple sends out with it.  Try using the option key now in text 
fields.  If this doesn't help, just VO-space on the VoiceOver Archive 
item on your Desktop and VO will return to the normal way you had it 
set.  Then we'll go to our second thing to try.


Second Thing to Try is to create a new user and test things on it:

• Open System Prefs.
• Open Users & Groups.
• Press the lock to unlock this pane.
• Press the Add user button
• Give the user a name and password.
• Click Create and let it do its work.
• Close System Prefs.
• Log out of this user and log into your newly created user.
• Turn on VO
• Open a TextEdit document and see if the option key works in this user.

Let me know your results.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2018, at 08:54, Donna Goodin > wrote:


Just tried it.  The problem still exists using the external keyboard.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Hi Donna,

A Windows keyboard is fine.  The only difference is usually the 
placement of the cmd and option keys.  From the lower left of the 
keyboard, on the Mac keyboard, it goes FN, control, option, command 
then space.  On the Windows keyboard, when connected to a Mac, at the 
lower left, it goes control, command, option, space.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2018, at 06:29, Donna Goodin > wrote:


Hi Anne,

I haven't.  Unfortunately, the only external keyboard I have is a 
Windows keyboard, so not sure how I would test this. But I don't 
think the problem is the keyboard.  This only happens when I'm in an 
editable field, email, documents and so on.  For example, when I'm 
reading your message, the option key works just as expected.  It's 
only when I go to reply to you--and thus have an edit field open, 
that it stops working.


I think I'm going to give regular Apple tech support a call this morning.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:54 AM, Anne Robertson > wrote:


Hello Donna,

Have you tried connecting an external keyboard to see whether the 
behaviour continues?

Cheers,

Anne


On 28 Jun 2018, at 02:52, Donna Goodin > wrote:


I'm using the left.  I have the right set for shortcuts for opening 
apps.  I just tried using the right, and the result was the same.

Cheers,
Donna

On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Hi,

One more questions.  Are you using the left or right option key 
when trying this?


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 17:28, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Hi,

Back to the basics.  Are you interacting with the editable field 
before trying to use option-arrow?  Is QuickNav turned off?


Later...

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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin > wrote:


Nope.  This is positively crazy!
Donna

On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn > wrote:


Hi,

One more try.

1.  go to System Prefs.
2.  Select the Keyboard 

Re: Boot from Windows disc in Fusion

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   I need to do this while the VM is running.

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On 8/2/2018 2:29 PM, The wolf wrote:
try holding the c key at boot up right after the chime sounds and it 
should boot from the windows disk


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   Yes I can but that wil not bring up the repair option.

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On 8/2/2018 1:38 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Can’t you bring up the windows disk in windows explorer and run the 
setup.exe program?

Chris

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   I need to do a repair on Windows 7 but am not able to boot from 
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   I need to do a repair on Windows 7 but am not able to boot from the 
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   Yes I can but that wil not bring up the repair option.

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Can’t you bring up the windows disk in windows explorer and run the setup.exe 
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   Just to clarify, I need to access the Windows 7 repair option. Can I 
do this from Fusion?


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On 8/2/2018 4:28 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I think the basic idea is that you download an ISO 9660 image, and specify that 
to your VM software as the boot device. A Web search or two should provide the 
details, which depend on the VM tools you're using.

On 8/2/18, 18:12, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
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 I need to do this while the VM is running.
 
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 > try holding the c key at boot up right after the chime sounds and it
 > should boot from the windows disk
 >
 > On 8/2/2018 2:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 >>Yes I can but that wil not bring up the repair option.
 >>
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 >> On 8/2/2018 1:38 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
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 >>> setup.exe program?
 >>> Chris
 >>>
 >>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:20 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
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   Ok I have the ISO file. Exactly what steps do I need to carry out? I 
would sure like to fix this quickly. (smiles)


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I think the basic idea is that you download an ISO 9660 image, and specify that 
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On 8/2/18, 18:12, "'E.T.' via MacVisionaries" 
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 I need to do this while the VM is running.
 
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 > try holding the c key at boot up right after the chime sounds and it
 > should boot from the windows disk
 >
 > On 8/2/2018 2:27 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 >>Yes I can but that wil not bring up the repair option.
 >>
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 >>
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 >>> Can’t you bring up the windows disk in windows explorer and run the
 >>> setup.exe program?
 >>> Chris
 >>>
 >>>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 3:20 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
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   Has anyone recently emailed these folks and not gotten a response? I 
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Re: Fusion VM

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   Yes I need to boot from the Windows disc to run a repair. I will 
look at the VM menu. Hopefully it will do what I need.


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On 7/30/2018 3:18 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

As in you need to boot from a DVD of windows 7?
Or from the vm HD for the win 7 vm machine your running?

If first then under virtual machine menu you should find an option for optical 
drive / dvd / cd rom
You'll have to select which one you require.

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Subject: Fusion VM

 Running Windows 7 VM. I need to boot from the Windows 7 disc. How is this 
accomplished from Fusion? Thanks.

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Re: A little hellp getting started with FineReader?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   If your keyboard does not have the End key In that case the 
equivalent is VO-shift-Fn-right arrow. I am using an Apple wired 
keyboard so I forget this.


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On 7/28/2018 4:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Vo-end?  How does one accomplish that on a Mac laptop keyboard? Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone


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Hi Donna,
   Once you set the options, they stick. So when you scan a new document, just 
press VO-end to fly by those settings.

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On 7/28/2018 11:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi all,
My FineReader install has gone pretty well, but I have a few newbie questions.
Is there a hotkey to initiate a scan?  If not, is there any way to set options 
so you don't have to go through those two screens of prompts every time you 
scan?
I'm also remembering that one thing I hated about ABBYY in Windows was all the 
crap that's on the screen following a scan.  Lots of stuff about re-shaping, 
drawing, and defining the area.  Is there any way to make that stuff go bye-bye?
TIA,
Donna


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Re: A little hellp getting started with FineReader?

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   Indeed. Maybe hot spots can be usd here?

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On 7/28/2018 4:35 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Oh, right. The keystroke that requires 35 fingers. Apple so dropped the ball on 
that one! LOL
Cheers,
Donna

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   If your keyboard does not have the End key In that case the equivalent is 
VO-shift-Fn-right arrow. I am using an Apple wired keyboard so I forget this.

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On 7/28/2018 4:14 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Vo-end?  How does one accomplish that on a Mac laptop keyboard? Cheers,
Donna
Sent from my iPhone

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Hi Donna,
   Once you set the options, they stick. So when you scan a new document, just 
press VO-end to fly by those settings.

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On 7/28/2018 11:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi all,
My FineReader install has gone pretty well, but I have a few newbie questions.
Is there a hotkey to initiate a scan?  If not, is there any way to set options 
so you don't have to go through those two screens of prompts every time you 
scan?
I'm also remembering that one thing I hated about ABBYY in Windows was all the 
crap that's on the screen following a scan.  Lots of stuff about re-shaping, 
drawing, and defining the area.  Is there any way to make that stuff go bye-bye?
TIA,
Donna


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Re: A little hellp getting started with FineReader?

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Hi Donna,
   Once you set the options, they stick. So when you scan a new 
document, just press VO-end to fly by those settings.


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On 7/28/2018 11:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

My FineReader install has gone pretty well, but I have a few newbie questions.

Is there a hotkey to initiate a scan?  If not, is there any way to set options 
so you don't have to go through those two screens of prompts every time you 
scan?

I'm also remembering that one thing I hated about ABBYY in Windows was all the 
crap that's on the screen following a scan.  Lots of stuff about re-shaping, 
drawing, and defining the area.  Is there any way to make that stuff go bye-bye?
TIA,
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Fusion VM

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   Running Windows 7 VM. I need to boot from the Windows 7 disc. How is 
this accomplished from Fusion? Thanks.


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Re: ABBYY Fine Reader, is there a demo?

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Donna,
   There is but don't know how log.  Can't tell you how much better the 
Mac version is because I have an old old Windows version. I do not use 
it a lot but find the Mac version accessible. You cab find the trial at 
the link below.




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On 7/27/2018 8:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

One other piece of my system upgrade puzzle is what to do for OCR software.  If 
I go all Mac, I will have to switch from K1000 to ABBYY Fine Reader.  I have 
used FineReader in Windows, and really didn't care for it much.  It's been four 
years or so, so I don't remember all the specifics, but it was just kind of 
cludgy to use from an accessibility perspective.  I know some of you on this 
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version and the Mac version compare in terms of being accessibility friendly?
TIA,
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Re: ABBYY Fine Reader, is there a demo?

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   I want one of those...new of course. Yes and I have debated getting 
a new Windows laptop but I don't want to mess with Windows 10. Not in 
the budget though.


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On 7/27/2018 8:17 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey, thanks.  By the way, I found out from Duxbury that my old Everest Embosser 
will work on my Mac.  Unfortunately, the Duxbury version for Mac will run me 
$700.  For that, I could buy a low end PC. (sigh*
Donna


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Donna,
   There is but don't know how log.  Can't tell you how much better the Mac 
version is because I have an old old Windows version. I do not use it a lot but 
find the Mac version accessible. You cab find the trial at the link below.

<https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/pro-for-mac/>

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On 7/27/2018 8:00 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,
One other piece of my system upgrade puzzle is what to do for OCR software.  If 
I go all Mac, I will have to switch from K1000 to ABBYY Fine Reader.  I have 
used FineReader in Windows, and really didn't care for it much.  It's been four 
years or so, so I don't remember all the specifics, but it was just kind of 
cludgy to use from an accessibility perspective.  I know some of you on this 
list use Fine reader for Mac and Like it.  Can anyone speak to how the windows 
version and the Mac version compare in terms of being accessibility friendly?
TIA,
Donna


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Re: Boot from Windows disc in Fusion

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   Supposedly accessed when booting from a Windows 7 disc. I gave up 
trying and restored a year-old VM. Still updating some things but its 
going well.


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On 8/4/2018 5:47 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hi ET,

What do you men by repair?



Sent from my iPhone


On 3/08/2018, at 9:28 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   Yes I can but that wil not bring up the repair option.

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On 8/2/2018 1:38 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Can’t you bring up the windows disk in windows explorer and run the setup.exe 
program?
Chris

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   I need to do a repair on Windows 7 but am not able to boot from the Windows 
disc. How is this done? Thanks.

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Re: Apple is reportedly doing away with free headphone jack dongles

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   This is such a non issue. I use both that adapter (I even got a 
couple extras, didn't break the bank) and Bluetooth.  If you should fall 
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On 8/5/2018 7:12 AM, lenron brown wrote:

This is so annoying like they were costing them so much to put one of
them in the box. I have one from my IPhone 7plus. I have not
completely givin up on apple but to be honest for the most part this
phone works fine. I miss the headphone jack because it's something I
use with my other devices. No I don't wish to spend over 150 on
airpods.

On 8/5/18, Sharon Hooley  wrote:

Maybe that’s because we’re relying more on bluetooth headsets and the
connectivity of listening devices for hearing impaired with the smart
phone.



On Aug 5, 2018, at 4:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Well that's going to make a lot of people unhappy.

Glad I've got the earpods to not have to worry



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Re: Onnex for mac, how the heck do you work with this app.

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   I have not used Onyx in a long while, I prefer Clean My Mac. On the 
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On 7/27/2018 11:14 AM, matthew dyer wrote:

Hi all,

Yesterday I installed onnex for mac and wondering if any one still uses 
this app and how to work with this?  When onnex opens 
systemprefs/privacy and securety also opens.  When trying to use this 
app, I get the onnex has no windows.  I have also tried cocktale, but 
this while it is accessible, it seems to make my mac unusable at times 
as I get the busy message.  If there is a utility that is accessible to 
c.lean up my mac, please let me know as my mac is really slow at times 
particularly after booting up at first.  Thanks.


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Re: Braille Blaster

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   Thanks Jonathan, Just joined and now wait for mail ti come in. Is it 
low traffic? I may see about the beta program too if I continue to 
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I didn’t find my direct subscription request, but I certainly had a mail 
exchange with the above address at some point. They also have a beta 
mailing list.


Take care,

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  Is there a group for Braille Blaster? I may have to break with 
Duxbury, long story.


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Re: Bluetooth Headphones

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   Thanks Tim. The product brand name is appealing. (smiles)

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I use a set of skullCandy headphones. They work good on my mac, pc, iPhone or 
anything bluetooth. You can pair 2 devices, but only use one at a time.

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  I need to find a decent pair that will work well with Mac and Samsung TV and 
won't break the bank. They need to be over the ear to accommodate my hearing 
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Re: Braille Blaster

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Jonathan,
   Yes it appears to be low alright. Well I am not getting my way with 
Duxbury so I am going to work with BB. It seems more problematic on the 
Mac but after I try the Windows version for a while, the Mac will get 
some time.


   I didn't understand a thing you wrote. (big smile)

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Yes, it is fairly low traffic. Please let me know if you what you think if you 
decide to work with it. I have been avoiding working with braille translation 
tools, and I think I need to be active win them some this year.

Sorry for some bad grammar there above, but it made sense to me so I am not 
correcting.
  

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   Thanks Jonathan, Just joined and now wait for mail ti come in. Is it low 
traffic? I may see about the beta program too if I continue find BB useful. I 
have been putting off installing it.


Thanks,


  to battle with Duxbury.

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I didn’t find my direct subscription request, but I certainly had a mail 
exchange with the above address at some point. They also have a beta mailing 
list.
Take care,
Jonathan

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   Is there a group for Braille Blaster? I may have to break with Duxbury, long 
story.

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Re: Apple is reportedly doing away with free headphone jack dongles

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   I am saying that there are always some people who simply cannot or 
do not appreciate what they have and make the best use of it. If Samsung 
is better. jump the fence.


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On 8/6/2018 12:09 PM, lenron brown wrote:

ha so are you trying to say apple couldn't do what we are saying they
can. All the money you spend on the IPhone 10 and you mean to tell me
they shouldn't have ship it with airpods hahahaha.

On 8/6/18, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

 Any of you sitting on Apple's board? Why not? This is like those
sidewalk supervisors who always know more than the construction folks
building high rises. (smiles)

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Well, Samsung did it, and Apple already uses Atmos in the new Apple TV. If
Samsung can do it, Apple could do it better… if they wanted.


On Aug 6, 2018, at 4:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah  free apple earpods  can't see that happening.

As for atmos yeah that would be nice but that would involve new headphone
development
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Hopefully they give us EarPods, or cheaper, with the coming iPhone, then.
Also, I hope they give us Dolby Atmos support, as Samsung has done, to
really increase audio quality.


On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:41 PM, lenron brown  wrote:

That water resistant crap won't work on me. I have used Samsung
devices that still have the headphone jack and they are pretty water
resistant. lol

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This is such a non issue. I use both that adapter (I even got a
couple extras, didn't break the bank) and Bluetooth.  If you should
fall in the creek you will appreciate the iPhone being more water
resistant.

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This is so annoying like they were costing them so much to put one
of them in the box. I have one from my IPhone 7plus. I have not
completely givin up on apple but to be honest for the most part this
phone works fine. I miss the headphone jack because it's something I
use with my other devices. No I don't wish to spend over 150 on
airpods.

On 8/5/18, Sharon Hooley  wrote:

Maybe that’s because we’re relying more on bluetooth headsets and
the connectivity of listening devices for hearing impaired with the
smart phone.



On Aug 5, 2018, at 4:14 AM, Simon Fogarty 
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Well that's going to make a lot of people unhappy.

Glad I've got the earpods to not have to worry



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Re: Apple is reportedly doing away with free headphone jack dongles

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   Any of you sitting on Apple's board? Why not? This is like those 
sidewalk supervisors who always know more than the construction folks 
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On 8/6/2018 5:32 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Well, Samsung did it, and Apple already uses Atmos in the new Apple TV. If 
Samsung can do it, Apple could do it better… if they wanted.


On Aug 6, 2018, at 4:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yeah  free apple earpods  can't see that happening.

As for atmos yeah that would be nice but that would involve new headphone 
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Hopefully they give us EarPods, or cheaper, with the coming iPhone, then. Also, 
I hope they give us Dolby Atmos support, as Samsung has done, to really 
increase audio quality.


On Aug 5, 2018, at 2:41 PM, lenron brown  wrote:

That water resistant crap won't work on me. I have used Samsung
devices that still have the headphone jack and they are pretty water
resistant. lol

On 8/5/18, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  wrote:

   This is such a non issue. I use both that adapter (I even got a
couple extras, didn't break the bank) and Bluetooth.  If you should
fall in the creek you will appreciate the iPhone being more water resistant.

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On 8/5/2018 7:12 AM, lenron brown wrote:

This is so annoying like they were costing them so much to put one
of them in the box. I have one from my IPhone 7plus. I have not
completely givin up on apple but to be honest for the most part this
phone works fine. I miss the headphone jack because it's something I
use with my other devices. No I don't wish to spend over 150 on
airpods.

On 8/5/18, Sharon Hooley  wrote:

Maybe that’s because we’re relying more on bluetooth headsets and
the connectivity of listening devices for hearing impaired with the
smart phone.



On Aug 5, 2018, at 4:14 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Well that's going to make a lot of people unhappy.

Glad I've got the earpods to not have to worry



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Re: Absolutely at my wit's end with web browser busy nonsense

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   Same area in the web category, if Live Regions is enabled, disable 
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On 8/14/2018 6:05 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

Thank you; I do have it set to act this way already.
Christine


On Aug 14, 2018, at 7:27 AM, Anders Holmberg > wrote:


Hi!
Can this maybe help.
If you open vo utilities and go to the category web and change how 
Voiceover is handling the web.
THere is something there called navigate web pages with and here we 
have 2 radiobuttons which are dom or group by object or something like 
that.

I use a swedish version and its hard to translate but something like that.
I have mine set to dom order wich seems to work great here.
/A

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Have you tried on a different account? If you go to System 
Preferences and make a new user account, then log into it, does the 
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Try navigating up from the bottom of the page or searching for 
something specific in the web page.  Also try using Google Chrome 
rather than Safari.

Marshall


On Aug 13, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Christine Grassman 
mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com>> wrote:




Could you be more specific about “navigating around the problem 
area”? Everything freezes, and I have to wait for a few seconds up 
to a couple of minutes before I hear a click and “VoiceOver on,” . 
. . and then if I attempt again the task I was attempting, again, 
and again, and again, ad nauseam.


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The only thing I can suggest is to try to navigate around the 
problem area.  I realize this isn't of much help.  The only other 
thing I can think of is for everyone who has this issue to call 
Apple Accessibility every time it happens.  Unfortunately, this 
might have undesirable consequences in terms of support.

Marshall


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I have tried everything: cleaning out unnecessary files, doing a 
disk utility first aid check, PRAM and SMC, numerous reboots: no 
matter what web browser I use, no matter how close to my router I 
am, no matter what I do, whenever I perform searches, try to fill 
anything out, read through headings or other information, busy 
becomes a monster and is costing literally taking hours out of my 
days to complete the simplest tasks to more involved ones.
Is there a darn thing I can do, and/or is there something 
visiting the Genius Bar might accomplish?

Christine

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Re: Us congress hearing of maan alsaan Money laundry قضية الكونغجرس لغسيل الأموال للمليادير معن الصانع

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   We have seen this enough times to know its spam and to simply ignore it.

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On 8/17/2018 8:23 AM, Pavel Yefetov wrote:

nothing

суббота, 21 февраля 2015 г., 1:02:19 UTC+2 пользователь BBS написал:

And what does this have to do with Apple products?
Shawn
Sent From My White Macbook

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قضية الكونغجرس لغسيل الأموال للمليادير معن الصانع




YouTube videos of

U.S. Congress moneylaunderinghearing


of

Saudi Billionaire " MaanAl sanea"

with _bank of America_


and Theowner of Saad Hospital and Schools

in the Eastern Province in _Saudi Arabia_

andthe Chairman of the Board of Directors of Awal Bank in _Bahrain_


With Arabic Subtitles



**http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIBNnQvhU8s


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*موقع اليوتيوب الذي عرض جلسة استماع الكونجرس الأمريكي ***

*لمتابعة نشاطات غسل الأموال ونشاطات*



*السعودي معن عبدالواحد الصانع*

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*مالك مستشفىوشركة سعد ومدارس سعد_بالمنطقة الشرقية بالسعودية_
ورئيس مجلس ادارة بنك اوال _البحريني_*

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*مترجم باللغة العربية***

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Re: Smart refrigerators

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no

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Hi all:

My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. Anyone have
one? Are the apps accessible?

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Re: VMware and Jaws 2018?

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   The alt and windows keys are swapped on a Mac keyboard. These can be 
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On 8/23/2018 5:40 PM, Maurice Mines wrote:
|Good evening everyone, as my subject line states I am running Windows 10 
in a VMware version 10 window. I am having some minor jaws navigation 
issues. Such things as unable to or understand prospect windows in to 
get to the desktop. Or not being able to process alt F4 to close an 
application in Windows. Is there anything that I should be doing as far 
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Re: Finally downloaded Mojave,

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   Cliff IS the group owner of that beta group. (smiles) But yes this 
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On 8/25/2018 9:22 AM, matthew dyer wrote:

Forgive me, but is not mojave still in beta.  If so, should this not be
sent to the beta discussion list.  HTH.


Matthew



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Okay, Mojave is very different in some ways.  Takes some getting use to.  1 
thing they removed I am not fond of, is they removed linked in, twitter, and 
face book from the internet accounts.  That was something I grew a custom to 
when working on my Mac.  Also, when I try to download paid purchases from 
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Re: Finally downloaded Mojave,

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   Just in case this may confuse some, Mojave is still in beta, release 
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Okay, Mojave is very different in some ways.  Takes some getting use to.  1 
thing they removed I am not fond of, is they removed linked in, twitter, and 
face book from the internet accounts.  That was something I grew a custom to 
when working on my Mac.  Also, when I try to download paid purchases from 
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Re: mojave and 2012 air

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   Your 2012 Macbook Air will be fine with Mojave.

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To anyone who might know, I have a mid-2012 Macbook Air. I have heard 
that mojave will not work on computers older than 2012 but does anyone 
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Re: Smart refrigerators

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   Think about it some. The smart phone has given the blind more access 
to many things, as has the smart TV, the smart thermostat. Why not the 
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On 8/19/2018 11:41 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

ahem,
May I ask what role a smart refrigerator  serves?
I mean its a fridge...so?



On Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:


Hi,

The related app is the way that many of these smart items become 
somewhat accessible.  Smart scales, smart appliances, WiFi thermostats 
etc, the device itself often requires a bit of sighted help to set up, 
but if the app is accessible, VO users can usually proceed normally 
from there.


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On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I think at least some of these have an app related to it.
I don’t have a smart refridgirator though.
I was thinking of bying a smart coffee machine from S.M.A.R.T.
But i have to test the app with it first.
/A

17 aug. 2018 kl. 19:34 skrev Jonathan Cohn >:


Hello,

I can’t say I have seen a smart refrigerator in action nor have I 
seen any reviews from any blindness organizations. Generally though 
unlike stoves, I believe most refrigerators are plugged in at the 
showrooms of appliance companies so you should have a good chance of 
trying it out.


I also recently read a review of  remote control thermometers in 
tidbits.com  which sounded quiet intriguing


Best Wishes,

Jonathan .
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mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> 
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Hi all:

My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. Anyone have 
one? Are the apps accessible?


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Re: Smart refrigerators

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   Good grief Charlie give it a rest already.

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On 8/19/2018 12:46 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Perhaps first because there is no generalized "the blind.  and second, 
the question is what the device does that is actually well needful?
I am not being provocative, just interested.  Especially as you work 
from a generalized, everyone sharing a label benefits equally, dictionary.
Speaking for myself, I cannot think of a function comparative  for a 
fridge...which is why I asked.


Kare



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  Think about it some. The smart phone has given the blind more access 
to many things, as has the smart TV, the smart thermostat. Why not the 
smart fridge?


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On 8/19/2018 11:41 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 ahem,
 May I ask what role a smart refrigerator  serves?
 I mean its a fridge...so?



 On Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

>  Hi,
> >  The related app is the way that many of these smart items become 
>  somewhat accessible.  Smart scales, smart appliances, WiFi 
thermostats >  etc, the device itself often requires a bit of sighted 
help to set up, >  but if the app is accessible, VO users can usually 
proceed normally from >  there.

> >  Later...
> >  Tim Kilburn
>  Apple Teacher
>  (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>  Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> >  On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg 
 >  wrote:

> >  Hi!
>  I think at least some of these have an app related to it.
>  I don’t have a smart refridgirator though.
>  I was thinking of bying a smart coffee machine from S.M.A.R.T.
>  But i have to test the app with it first.
>  /A
> > >  17 aug. 2018 kl. 19:34 skrev Jonathan Cohn 
 >  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>:

> > > >  Hello,
> > > >  I can’t say I have seen a smart refrigerator in action nor 
have I > >  seen any reviews from any blindness organizations. 
Generally though > >  unlike stoves, I believe most refrigerators are 
plugged in at the > >  showrooms of appliance companies so you should 
have a good chance of > >  trying it out.
> > > >  I also recently read a review of  remote control 
thermometers in > >  tidbits.com <http://tidbits.com/> which sounded 
quiet intriguing

> > > >  Best Wishes,
> > > >  Jonathan .
> > >  On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:46 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > >  
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> > 
> >  wrote:

> > > > > >  Hi all:
> > > > > >  My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart fridges. 
Anyone have > > >  one? Are the apps accessible?
> > > > > >  Sarai D Bucciarelli 
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Re: Smart refrigerators

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   You poor thing. (shakes head)

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What happened to the request not to post one liners?
further, who  is Charlie?  If you are referencing Brown, my request for 
information, still not honored, is a Linus sort of thing.

Kare



On Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:


  Good grief Charlie give it a rest already.

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 Perhaps first because there is no generalized "the blind.  and second,
 the question is what the device does that is actually well needful?
 I am not being provocative, just interested.  Especially as you work 
from

 a generalized, everyone sharing a label benefits equally, dictionary.
 Speaking for myself, I cannot think of a function comparative  for a
 fridge...which is why I asked.

 Kare



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>    Think about it some. The smart phone has given the blind more 
access >  to many things, as has the smart TV, the smart thermostat. 
Why not the >  smart fridge?

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> >   ahem,
> >   May I ask what role a smart refrigerator  serves?
> >   I mean its a fridge...so?
> > > > > > > >   On Sun, 19 Aug 2018, 'Tim Kilburn' via 
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> > > > >   Hi,
> > > >   The related app is the way that many of these smart items 
become > > >   somewhat accessible.  Smart scales, smart appliances, 
WiFi > >  thermostats >  etc, the device itself often requires a bit 
of sighted > >  help to set up, >  but if the app is accessible, VO 
users can usually > >  proceed normally from >  there.

> > > >   Later...
> > > >   Tim Kilburn
> > >   Apple Teacher
> > >   (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> > >   Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> > > >   On Aug 19, 2018, at 10:25, Anders Holmberg > >  
 >  wrote:

> > > >   Hi!
> > >   I think at least some of these have an app related to it.
> > >   I don’t have a smart refridgirator though.
> > >   I was thinking of bying a smart coffee machine from S.M.A.R.T.
> > >   But i have to test the app with it first.
> > >   /A
> > > > >   17 aug. 2018 kl. 19:34 skrev Jonathan Cohn > >  
 >  <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>:

> > > > > >   Hello,
> > > > > >   I can’t say I have seen a smart refrigerator in action 
nor > >  have I > >  seen any reviews from any blindness 
organizations. > >  Generally though > >  unlike stoves, I believe 
most refrigerators are > >  plugged in at the > >  showrooms of 
appliance companies so you should > >  have a good chance of > >  
trying it out.
> > > > > >   I also recently read a review of  remote control > >  
thermometers in > >  tidbits.com <http://tidbits.com/> which sounded 
> >  quiet intriguing

> > > > > >   Best Wishes,
> > > > > >   Jonathan .
> > > > >   On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:46 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli > > > > >  
mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com>> > 
> > > >   wrote:

> > > > > > > >   Hi all:
> > > > > > > >   My fridge crashed. I was looking at the smart 
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> > > > > > > >   Sarai D Bucciarelli > >  
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Re: Comparing Itunes for Windows, and Mac

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   The major change that 12.7 brought was that iOS app support went 
away. But iOS handles the app details just fine and I did switch to 
iCloud backup for the iDevices. I cannot speak to iTunes under Windows.


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On 8/19/2018 4:17 PM, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

The latest version of ITunes my vista pc will run is 12.1.3, so I have no 
experience with a modern version of ITunes for windows. I know that after 12.2, 
it became almost useless, for those using a screen reader, except for backing 
up a device. But I understand that the latest version of ITunes for Windows is 
almost as good as was version 11. So how does the experience of using ITunes 
for windows now compare with using it on a mac? I understand that using it on a 
mac has mostly been, a better experience. Thanks for any opinions, especially 
from those who can use both.

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Re: Apparent E-Mail Corruption

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   I'd treat this as spam and delete it straightaway. Spammers are 
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  I have a couple of questions concerning what appears to be e-mail corruption.

What is happening is that a subject line may read something that I find quite 
interesting, but when I hit the  key to read the message is completely 
unrelated to the corresponding subject line.  As if that isn’t bad enough, the 
resulting message appears to be raw HTML coding.  My questions are:

1) Is anyone else experiencing this?

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Re: Creating hard drive space by purging data on my hard drive

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   Or use Clean My Drive 3.

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On 7/17/2018 10:35 AM, Barry Hadder wrote:

Hi,

Purgeable data is managed by the system and you can’t directly delete it.  If 
you need to reclaim space for a partition, then the only way to force the 
system to purge the data in question is to create a gigantic dummy file that is 
big enough to cause the drive to reach it’s limit, or copy something over that 
is really big in order to do the same thing.  You can create a file for this 
purpose by doing the following in terminal:
dd if=/dev/zero of=~/bigassfile bs=20m
once the drive is full, go to iCloud drive options in iCloud preferences and 
make sure that optimize drive storage is turned off.  Then delete the big file.


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Hi all,

I've deleted lots of junk from my hard drive in order to create space for a 
Bootcamp partition.

This freed up 200 gigs on my drive, but it is still considered purge data.

I don't know how to quickly get rid of the purged data. I am not even sure what 
exactly purged data means. I think it means unused old files on my computer, 
but I don't know if they are old files I have decided to keep in a folder, or 
if it is more like songs I heard 3 years ago in iTunes, and never heard again.

At any rate, I am going to trust that Apple will not delete say, my folder with 
mp3's I recorded in school 20 years ago, and saved in a folder with all my 
files, and just haven't listened to in 10 years.

I want to free up what I already think is free space on my hard drive by 
deleting this purge data once and for all.

I downloaded, installed, and ran a scan with something called Clean My Mac that 
would do this for you, but only completes the task after you purchase the 
program for $38.

I've gone to about this Mac, then toolbar, then storage, then manage, and 
optimize storage. Nothing there indicates I can delete purged data immediately.

Are there any other solutions?

Best,

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Re: a warning to those running high Sierra with bootcamp

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   Disconnect any external drives. If you have an idea how many startup 
disks there might be,  then do the startup with the option key and arrow 
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On 7/16/2018 9:36 AM, 'aliFaisal' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I tried that, but there is no speech when that windows pops up so I had no idea 
where the mac partition even was.



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Hi,


There i infact an easyer way.  if your in windows, restart your machine
and when you hear the chime, hold down the opsion key then select the
mac partition and you should be good to go.  basicly when you boot your
machine, just select your partition from target disk mode and that
should work for you.  HTH.


Matthew




On 07/16/2018 06:56 AM, 'aliFaisal' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hello all,
So I found out the hard way. Apparently, if you’re running mac OS high sierra, 
the bootcamp control panel does not recognize the mac OS partition as a valid 
startup disc. When I tried to boot in to mac, the only option available was the 
windows partition.
The only way  I found that works if you wanted to boot in to mac was resetting 
the pRam. If anyone has any other way of doing this, please let me know as this 
is a huge problem for someone like me that has to switch back and forth from 
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Re: Sonos collecting personal information

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   Collecting user data is big business and big money but we do not get 
to share the money. And I am not convinced that even if we opt out that 
our information is nt shared. Mandatory registration? Interesting.


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On 7/15/2018 5:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi all,

I just thought I would post this for those of you using or thinking about using 
Sonos speakers.  Sonos is now making it mandatory that users register their 
devices, and has instituted a new privacy policy requiring that users agree to 
allow them to collect users' data and information.  Below is a link to an 
article I found that discusses that issue.  I was not able to find the 
mentioned setting that allows you to disable usage data sharing, maybe someone 
else will be able to do that.  But even so, the article gives a good overview 
of these changes.
https://lifehacker.com/how-to-stop-your-sonos-from-collecting-as-much-person-1798403771

For Alexa users this may be nothing new.  But as for me, I don't see any reason 
for them to get my information.  My Sonos speakers may be going on Craig's list.
Cheers,
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Re: An iTunes question

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   Fantastic, Angus. Glad to hear all is well.

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On 7/12/2018 4:40 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

E.T.' via MacVisionaries

Houston, we have Liftoff! The Phone is back! After pressing the Power button in 
withe the Home Button pressed in, let iTunes see the pluged in iPhone. I was 
then restore the iPhone from a encrypted backup. What is a good backup phone? I 
wish I still had my old LG flip phone.

Angus MacKinnon, Personalism Student
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Re: Bootcamp versus Fusion?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Even though I have Mac shortcuts disabled while in Windows, this 
happens. There some other minor annoyances but they are easy to live with.


   You could run Fusion for 30 days free without installing a Windows, 
just to get familiar with it


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On 7/23/2018 8:27 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

That's funny about Alt-F, but it kind of makes sense.  I imagine it's a 
conflict between Windows and the Mac find command.  At least the work around is 
easy.

Thanks for this info.  I don't have to make a decision just yet, I just want to 
be ready so that when that day comes when my PC won't boot, I have a plan ready 
to go.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 23, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Installing Windows under Fusion uses Voiceover so that works well. Its been 
ages since I did this but it seemed to go well. Fusion offers three views, 
single, full, and unity. Full screen works best for me as I don't want to try 
dealing with both at the same time. I have worked out the keystrokes to easily 
switch between Mac and Windows.

   In Windows, one shortcut that comes to mind is Alt-f for file menu. It 
brings up find instead. I have not figured this out yet. A work around I use is 
to use Alt-e then arrow left.

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On 7/23/2018 7:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, E.T.  this is good to hear, as that's the way I am leaning.  Yes, when 
I'm working, I usually have my PC and Mac both running, and switch back and 
forth, depending on the task I'm performing.  Are there any specific shortcuts 
you can think of that don't work under Fusion?  Also, is Windows Fusion easy to 
set up and install?
Thanks,
Donna

On Jul 23, 2018, at 9:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Donna,
   Fusion allows easy moving between the two platforms. There are some things 
that do not quite work as well in Windows such as some menu shortcuts which I 
need to look at some day. Speaking for myself, its doable.

   I put Office 365 on both but have not yet used Word on the Mac. I have some 
shared folders so can access documents on either platform but again, I need to 
try the Mac side.

   If you think you might be moving between Windows and Mac frequently, Fusion 
is right for you.

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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/23/2018 6:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Good morning, all,
I am fast coming to a computer crossroads, so thought I would seek some input 
from the list.
My job relies heavily on using MS Word.  I do a lot of document sharing, so use 
Comments and Track Changes extensively.  Though it may be because I'm not doing 
something right, I haven't found using Pages to be satisfactory.  The interface 
for reading comments and changes in Windows seems smoother, and i also notice 
that when I move documents between Pages and Word, the fonts don't seem to 
transfer, i.e. Mac doesn't seem to see Windows fonts and vice versa.
I have a PC that I bought back in 2010.  It continues to limp along, so that 
has primarily been the computer I use for work stuff.  But it's starting to 
grumble a little more than it used to, so I'm planning now for the day that it 
actually gives up the ghost.
One option is of course to just buy another inexpensive PC.  But I'm wondering 
about whether it's time to just buck up and install either bootcamp or Fusion.  
Fusion is appealing because it would preserve the option to run Windows and Mac 
simultaneously.  I would be interested to hear thoughts on how both options 
work in High Sierra, and if anyone can speak to it, Mojave.  The things I would 
do in Windows are pretty limited.  Mostly, Word, Duxbury, K1000--which could 
conceivably be replaced with ABBYY on the Mac--and some web browsing when I 
can't get sites to play nice on the Mac.
thanks for any and all input.
Cheers,
Donna


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Re: Bootcamp versus Fusion?

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Hi Donna,
   Fusion allows easy moving between the two platforms. There are some 
things that do not quite work as well in Windows such as some menu 
shortcuts which I need to look at some day. Speaking for myself, its doable.


   I put Office 365 on both but have not yet used Word on the Mac. I 
have some shared folders so can access documents on either platform but 
again, I need to try the Mac side.


   If you think you might be moving between Windows and Mac frequently, 
Fusion is right for you.


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   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/23/2018 6:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Good morning, all,

I am fast coming to a computer crossroads, so thought I would seek some input 
from the list.

My job relies heavily on using MS Word.  I do a lot of document sharing, so use 
Comments and Track Changes extensively.  Though it may be because I'm not doing 
something right, I haven't found using Pages to be satisfactory.  The interface 
for reading comments and changes in Windows seems smoother, and i also notice 
that when I move documents between Pages and Word, the fonts don't seem to 
transfer, i.e. Mac doesn't seem to see Windows fonts and vice versa.

I have a PC that I bought back in 2010.  It continues to limp along, so that 
has primarily been the computer I use for work stuff.  But it's starting to 
grumble a little more than it used to, so I'm planning now for the day that it 
actually gives up the ghost.

One option is of course to just buy another inexpensive PC.  But I'm wondering 
about whether it's time to just buck up and install either bootcamp or Fusion.  
Fusion is appealing because it would preserve the option to run Windows and Mac 
simultaneously.  I would be interested to hear thoughts on how both options 
work in High Sierra, and if anyone can speak to it, Mojave.  The things I would 
do in Windows are pretty limited.  Mostly, Word, Duxbury, K1000--which could 
conceivably be replaced with ABBYY on the Mac--and some web browsing when I 
can't get sites to play nice on the Mac.

thanks for any and all input.
Cheers,
Donna



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Re: Bootcamp versus Fusion?

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Installing Windows under Fusion uses Voiceover so that works well. 
Its been ages since I did this but it seemed to go well. Fusion offers 
three views, single, full, and unity. Full screen works best for me as I 
don't want to try dealing with both at the same time. I have worked out 
the keystrokes to easily switch between Mac and Windows.


   In Windows, one shortcut that comes to mind is Alt-f for file menu. 
It brings up find instead. I have not figured this out yet. A work 
around I use is to use Alt-e then arrow left.


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it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/23/2018 7:11 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks, E.T.  this is good to hear, as that's the way I am leaning.  Yes, when 
I'm working, I usually have my PC and Mac both running, and switch back and 
forth, depending on the task I'm performing.  Are there any specific shortcuts 
you can think of that don't work under Fusion?  Also, is Windows Fusion easy to 
set up and install?
Thanks,
Donna


On Jul 23, 2018, at 9:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi Donna,
   Fusion allows easy moving between the two platforms. There are some things 
that do not quite work as well in Windows such as some menu shortcuts which I 
need to look at some day. Speaking for myself, its doable.

   I put Office 365 on both but have not yet used Word on the Mac. I have some 
shared folders so can access documents on either platform but again, I need to 
try the Mac side.

   If you think you might be moving between Windows and Mac frequently, Fusion 
is right for you.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/23/2018 6:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Good morning, all,
I am fast coming to a computer crossroads, so thought I would seek some input 
from the list.
My job relies heavily on using MS Word.  I do a lot of document sharing, so use 
Comments and Track Changes extensively.  Though it may be because I'm not doing 
something right, I haven't found using Pages to be satisfactory.  The interface 
for reading comments and changes in Windows seems smoother, and i also notice 
that when I move documents between Pages and Word, the fonts don't seem to 
transfer, i.e. Mac doesn't seem to see Windows fonts and vice versa.
I have a PC that I bought back in 2010.  It continues to limp along, so that 
has primarily been the computer I use for work stuff.  But it's starting to 
grumble a little more than it used to, so I'm planning now for the day that it 
actually gives up the ghost.
One option is of course to just buy another inexpensive PC.  But I'm wondering 
about whether it's time to just buck up and install either bootcamp or Fusion.  
Fusion is appealing because it would preserve the option to run Windows and Mac 
simultaneously.  I would be interested to hear thoughts on how both options 
work in High Sierra, and if anyone can speak to it, Mojave.  The things I would 
do in Windows are pretty limited.  Mostly, Word, Duxbury, K1000--which could 
conceivably be replaced with ABBYY on the Mac--and some web browsing when I 
can't get sites to play nice on the Mac.
thanks for any and all input.
Cheers,
Donna


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Re: I'm starting to hate the internet now!! Too much verbage

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Maybe this will help. Go to VO Utility, Web category, Navigation 
tab, and uncheck Live Regions.


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On 7/19/2018 7:41 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

Okay,

I’ve just about had it!!  Every time I go to:

www.sodastreamusa.com

or
www.walmart.com

I get so much extra verbage on pages that it’s almost impossible to navigate 
using Vo+left or VO+right threw pages.  I’m assuming it may have to do with 
site updates:  but, surely, that can’t be all that’s happening.  I’m running 
LCapitain and that’s the latest this Mac book pro will support.

I don’t know if it’s got anything to do with the new settings in the latest 
version of Safari but, what ever is going on, it’s making me dred going online 
now.  What the hell to do?

Sorry if this sounds desperate but everything I try fails.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray



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Re: I'm starting to hate the internet now!! Too much verbage

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Live action. The internet is full of it these days. The same thing 
happens in the About this Mac too when looking at the drives.


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On 7/19/2018 8:50 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

That did it.  Thanks.  Can’t figure out what live regions is supposed to do but 
cause me all that trouble.


Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:

Sincerely,

The constantly barefooted Ray


On Jul 19, 2018, at 9:55 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   Maybe this will help. Go to VO Utility, Web category, Navigation tab, and 
uncheck Live Regions.

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Science is not only compatible with spirituality;
it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan

On 7/19/2018 7:41 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

Okay,
I’ve just about had it!!  Every time I go to:
www.sodastreamusa.com
or
www.walmart.com
I get so much extra verbage on pages that it’s almost impossible to navigate 
using Vo+left or VO+right threw pages.  I’m assuming it may have to do with 
site updates:  but, surely, that can’t be all that’s happening.  I’m running 
LCapitain and that’s the latest this Mac book pro will support.
I don’t know if it’s got anything to do with the new settings in the latest 
version of Safari but, what ever is going on, it’s making me dred going online 
now.  What the hell to do?
Sorry if this sounds desperate but everything I try fails.
Sent from the only computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
Sincerely,
The constantly barefooted Ray


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Re: Apple Annoyances Was Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Donna,
   I got the 8 plus after  5 years with the 5. Its truly s major step 
up. I would not concern myself with what might happen down the road. Get 
the 8 and take it one day at a time. There is simply too much going on 
in the world, we should not spend time worrying about the future.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 9/1/2018 5:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Shawn,

You know, getting an iPhone 8 is one of the options I've been 
considering.  My fear is that it will just become too slow to use within 
a year or so.

Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 1, 2018, at 3:32 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Well I for one am not about to give up my Apple products and go to the 
darkside. I bought my new Mac this past March and just recently 
purchased an iPhone 8 and they're both working great. As for the 
iPhone, I'm going to keep this 8 until they decide to stop supporting 
it. I'm also reluctant to switch to Face ID but not because of what's 
been said on here. I have no problems swiping up to go home or to use 
Face ID to unlock the phone. What's really deterring me is the method 
to use Apple Pay. I use Apple Pay almost everywhere except for Walmart 
of course who still uses old and obsolete methods for payment. It's 
nice to just point my phone at the debit machine and hold my finger on 
the Touch ID sensor to make my purchase. With face ID it sounds like 
you have to point the phone at the machine, point it at your face, 
then point it back at the machine and double press the side button It 
would be nice if Apple could eliminate some of these steps. Maybe when 
they stop supporting the iPhone 8 hopefully Apple Pay will be quicker 
than it is now. If not, I guess I'll just have to persevere.


Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
P.S. On the 2017 MacBook Air, there's still a startup chime. Weird how 
they discontinued it for one computer and not on another.


On Sep 1, 2018, at 1:15 AM, David Chittenden > wrote:


Hi all,

According to the rumours, Apple will be removing touch ID from all 
the new devices.


It is important to note: Apple has been on a quest to remove all 
buttons, switches, and so forth for several years, so I expect these 
rumours are accurate.


I do not remember the spelling of the Chinese company, but their new 
flagship phone has Apple's 3D Face ID, and the touchscreen embedded 
fingerprint sensor which Apple was reportedly rumoured to be 
experimenting with last year.


All the other Android Face ID systems are currently using 2D picture 
matching Face ID.


Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Sep 2018, at 15:24, M. Taylor > wrote:


Donna,

I couldn't agree with you more.

I’m hoping that Apple will, in fact, maintain some form of Touch ID. 
 I just can't imagine that they would completely eliminate such a 
trusted form of ID verification.


Of course, I said the same thing about removing the headphone jack 
and we all know how that turned out (smile).


Personally, I have absolutely no desire to use Face ID.

Let's just wait and see what happens on September 12th, okay?

By the way, it is for this and other reasons why I continue to 
purchase and use Android devices; you know, just in case Apple takes 
this big brother thing, a little too far for my tastes (smile).


Mark

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 6:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 


Subject: Re: Mac OS Start up Chimes

You know, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling frustrated 
with Apple.  I was really hoping that the new iPhone models would 
include an option for a faster iPhone 8.  Face ID sucks.  It takes 
significantly longer to unlock your phone, and is much more finicky. 
 I'm feeling resentful that Apple is trying to force me into a 
technology that I have tried, and do not like.  I don't want Face 
ID.  I don't need a ginormous screen.  I sure as h*** don't need 
three cameras.  I'm starting to wonder if my next phone will be a 
cheapy that makes calls and texts, and I do the rest from my Mac.  I 
don't want some giant tech company to dictate how I will use 
technology.  If Apple wants to continue to promote face recognition 
to the exclusion of more convenient technologies, that's their 
prerogative.  But they should have kept a touch option available for 
those of us who tried face ID and know it sucks.  And as for the new 
flick up for home?  

Re: Easy clean up Mac

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Use VO j to jump to the table of tasks. Then when you select a task, 
interact with it to find the button and VO space on it to run it. I only 
looked at one of them to see how it works so other tasks may require a 
different method to run it.


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in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/31/2018 1:49 PM, ernest mccullough wrote:
  I love that app also. There is just one feature that I have trouble 
with. Maintenance scripts. How do you get back to work? Please help.


On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:49 AM 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


     Well worth it too. Been using it for a long time.

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On 8/31/2018 7:39 AM, matthew dyer wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > Clean my mac is good.   I think it is around $20 or somewhere
around there.
 >
 > Matthew
 >
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
 > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 3:25 PM
 > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
 > Subject: Easy clean up Mac
 >
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I have a mid 2011 MacBook air and it is digitally cluttered.  At
least it feels that way.  I have old apps that I don’t even remember
what they do now.  What do you recommend I use to clean it up? 
Hopefully something straight forward and not complicated.

 >
 > BTW, I didn’t know it was an option to delete iMovie and Garage
Band.  They are huge apps that I don’t use.
 >
 > Thank you,
 > Traci
 >

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Re: Easy clean up Mac

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   Don't think its in the app store. Here is the link to their web 
site. I run it weekly and also run it when I want to delete apps 
completely. You can try for I think 30 days.


<https://macpaw.com/cleanmymac>

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On 9/2/2018 8:01 AM, Traci Duncan wrote:


Thank you. Do I purchase clean my mac in the mac app store?

Also, is it straight forward? I don't want to be worried about deleting crucial 
system files.

Traci


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 31, 2018, at 3:40 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   Use VO j to jump to the table of tasks. Then when you select a task, 
interact with it to find the button and VO space on it to run it. I only looked 
at one of them to see how it works so other tasks may require a different 
method to run it.

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On 8/31/2018 1:49 PM, ernest mccullough wrote:
  I love that app also. There is just one feature that I have trouble with. 
Maintenance scripts. How do you get back to work? Please help.
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 Well worth it too. Been using it for a long time.
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 > Hi,
 >
 > Clean my mac is good.   I think it is around $20 or somewhere
around there.
 >
 > Matthew
 >
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
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 > Subject: Easy clean up Mac
 >
 > Hi all,
 >
 > I have a mid 2011 MacBook air and it is digitally cluttered.  At
least it feels that way.  I have old apps that I don’t even remember
what they do now.  What do you recommend I use to clean it up? 
Hopefully something straight forward and not complicated.
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 > BTW, I didn’t know it was an option to delete iMovie and Garage
Band.  They are huge apps that I don’t use.
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 > Traci
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Re: How does one type the inverted exclamation mark?

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   Good! Did you make that change for the left option key? This is why 
I try to keep to a minimum any changes from defaults. I still get 
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On 9/5/2018 9:01 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Aha!  You gave me the answer.  I have the right option key as my control key 
for keyboard shortcuts.  So, while it works fine when writing diacritics that 
require multiple keystrokes (Option-E followed by a letter) it does not work 
for accents that only require one key press.  So, pressing the right option key 
works exactly as all of you describe - I get the inverted exclamation mark, but 
the left option key apparently cannot be used that way, since it is serving as 
the control key for keyboard shortcuts.  Thanks!
Donna

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   Option 1 works for me too, either option key.

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I have US English selected.  this character has never worked for me.  I just 
tested on my old MBA, and I get the same result, so it wouldn't seem to be 
related to the problem I was having back in July.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Certainly in my El Capitan system with USA English keyboard option 1 produces 
the inverted exclamation. I remember you have issues with option characters a 
few months back but I don’t remember how you left the keyboard layout.

Take care,

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Morning, all,

Does anyone know how to type the inverted exclamation mark used in Spanish.  
According to my google search, it's Option 1, but that doesn't work.  I've also 
tried Option plus shift plus 1, but that didn't work either.  Any help is 
appreciated.
Best,
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Re: How does one type the inverted exclamation mark?

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I have US English selected.  this character has never worked for me.  I just 
tested on my old MBA, and I get the same result, so it wouldn't seem to be 
related to the problem I was having back in July.
Cheers,
Donna


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Certainly in my El Capitan system with USA English keyboard option 1 produces 
the inverted exclamation. I remember you have issues with option characters a 
few months back but I don’t remember how you left the keyboard layout.

Take care,

Jonathan


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Morning, all,

Does anyone know how to type the inverted exclamation mark used in Spanish.  
According to my google search, it's Option 1, but that doesn't work.  I've also 
tried Option plus shift plus 1, but that didn't work either.  Any help is 
appreciated.
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Re: typing accented characters on the Mac?

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  It was a fun little diversion after spending months sorting out 
Windows issues after my laptop quit and trying to get the Windows VM to 
take its place. Now if only Duxbury would be helpful, I;d be happy.


   Nice though that much progress was made today.

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On 9/5/2018 11:33 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Way to go figuring that out.  What I hear is VO saying E, so I figured it was 
just announcing the key press and didn't try arrowing left or right.  But once 
I hear that, you are right, all the accents are there.  Cool!
Cheers,
Donna

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Donna,
   Good news. I do not know any foreign languages but run into some of those 
characters in my braille reading so made a list of the braille symbols for 
reference.

   So this got me curious and I found the answer. What Google showed you is 
true, its just not Voiceover friendly.

   Hold a letter key such as e, you may hear some faint sound effect. Release 
the key and press left or right arrow key and you will hear the accent 
characters for that letter. Highlight the one you want and press enter.

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On 9/5/2018 9:17 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,
No, that is not what I meant.  I read something on Google that suggested that 
if I press and hold a key a list of other options would come up.   It sounded 
similar to how it works on the iPhone.  If you press and hold E, you'll get 
options for different related keys E acute, E grave, etc.  But I have not been 
able to reproduce that on my Mac.  When I press and hold the E key, nothing 
happens.
Cheers,
Donna

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Hi,

That's odd.  Make sure that you've interacted with the editable area so that 
you can actually type.  The option key reference is not new at all, I'm not 
sure why they're saying that it only works on newer Macs since it's been 
available since way back in the 90's and probably even into the 80's.  Anyway, 
you can find lots of interesting characters just by holding down the option key 
and pressing letters.  For example, press option-4 and you'll get the ¢ sign.  
Many of these are quite logical too.  That is, shift-4 gives you a $ sign 
whereas option-4 gives the ¢ sign.  Shift-comma give the less than sign whereas 
Option-comma gives the less than or equal to.  Open a Pages or TextEdit 
document and try them out.  Note that this is a built-in thing to the MacOS, so 
these combinations will work in any document whether web-based or workstation 
based.  The only limitation may be specific fonts that may or may not have 
every option that another does.

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On Sep 5, 2018, at 06:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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When I press Option plus 1, all I get is the little chime.
Cheers,
Donna


On Sep 5, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Brandon A. Olivares mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Just press option+1, and you'll get it. :)


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Hi all,

In my quest for the inverted exclamation mark,  have been reading that on newer 
Macs, if you hold down a key, accented characters for that letter will pop up 
as an option.  But I have tried this out in both Pages and Text edit with no 
luck.  Does anyone know how to make this feature work?  My Key repeat is 
currently set at 60.

Thanks for any help.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: typing accented characters on the Mac?

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Donna,
   Good news. I do not know any foreign languages but run into some of 
those characters in my braille reading so made a list of the braille 
symbols for reference.


   So this got me curious and I found the answer. What Google showed 
you is true, its just not Voiceover friendly.


   Hold a letter key such as e, you may hear some faint sound effect. 
Release the key and press left or right arrow key and you will hear the 
accent characters for that letter. Highlight the one you want and press 
enter.


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On 9/5/2018 9:17 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Tim,

No, that is not what I meant.  I read something on Google that suggested 
that if I press and hold a key a list of other options would come up. 
  It sounded similar to how it works on the iPhone.  If you press and 
hold E, you'll get options for different related keys E acute, E grave, 
etc.  But I have not been able to reproduce that on my Mac.  When I 
press and hold the E key, nothing happens.

Cheers,
Donna


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Hi,

That's odd.  Make sure that you've interacted with the editable area 
so that you can actually type.  The option key reference is not new at 
all, I'm not sure why they're saying that it only works on newer Macs 
since it's been available since way back in the 90's and probably even 
into the 80's.  Anyway, you can find lots of interesting characters 
just by holding down the option key and pressing letters.  For 
example, press option-4 and you'll get the ¢ sign.  Many of these are 
quite logical too.  That is, shift-4 gives you a $ sign whereas 
option-4 gives the ¢ sign.  Shift-comma give the less than sign 
whereas Option-comma gives the less than or equal to.  Open a Pages or 
TextEdit document and try them out.  Note that this is a built-in 
thing to the MacOS, so these combinations will work in any document 
whether web-based or workstation based.  The only limitation may be 
specific fonts that may or may not have every option that another does.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 5, 2018, at 06:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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When I press Option plus 1, all I get is the little chime.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 5, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Brandon A. Olivares 
mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Just press option+1, and you'll get it. :)

On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:27 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi all,

In my quest for the inverted exclamation mark,  have been reading 
that on newer Macs, if you hold down a key, accented characters for 
that letter will pop up as an option.  But I have tried this out in 
both Pages and Text edit with no luck.  Does anyone know how to make 
this feature work?  My Key repeat is currently set at 60.


Thanks for any help.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Ram memory in Vmware fusion.

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   Don't think you can do that. My Mac has 16gigs and in Fusion its set 
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On 9/5/2018 11:51 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
If i have a virtual machine with say Linux or WIndows and if i make the amount 
of ram bigger than my ram memory on the mac, will the virtual machine not work 
then or does it create the memory in a file on the disk?
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Re: typing accented characters on the Mac?

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   She was asking about the inverted exclamation point.

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On 9/5/2018 1:09 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:

to type inverted question mark, press, option+shift+slash.
On Sep 5, 2018, at 5:02 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

That's odd.  Make sure that you've interacted with the editable area 
so that you can actually type.  The option key reference is not new at 
all, I'm not sure why they're saying that it only works on newer Macs 
since it's been available since way back in the 90's and probably even 
into the 80's.  Anyway, you can find lots of interesting characters 
just by holding down the option key and pressing letters.  For 
example, press option-4 and you'll get the ¢ sign.  Many of these are 
quite logical too.  That is, shift-4 gives you a $ sign whereas 
option-4 gives the ¢ sign.  Shift-comma give the less than sign 
whereas Option-comma gives the less than or equal to.  Open a Pages or 
TextEdit document and try them out.  Note that this is a built-in 
thing to the MacOS, so these combinations will work in any document 
whether web-based or workstation based.  The only limitation may be 
specific fonts that may or may not have every option that another does.


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On Sep 5, 2018, at 06:49, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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When I press Option plus 1, all I get is the little chime.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 5, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Brandon A. Olivares 
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Just press option+1, and you'll get it. :)

On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:27 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi all,

In my quest for the inverted exclamation mark,  have been reading 
that on newer Macs, if you hold down a key, accented characters for 
that letter will pop up as an option.  But I have tried this out in 
both Pages and Text edit with no luck.  Does anyone know how to make 
this feature work?  My Key repeat is currently set at 60.


Thanks for any help.
Cheers,
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Re: How does one type the inverted exclamation mark?

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   Donna, I played some more with the option key and pressed most of 
the standard punctuation keys. So many interesting characters uncovered.


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On 9/5/2018 1:29 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

No, Option plus shift plus / is the inverted question mark.
Donna


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No, it seems to be option+shift+slash

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  Option 1 works for me too, either option key.

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I have US English selected.  this character has never worked for me.  I just 
tested on my old MBA, and I get the same result, so it wouldn't seem to be 
related to the problem I was having back in July.
Cheers,
Donna

On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Certainly in my El Capitan system with USA English keyboard option 1 produces 
the inverted exclamation. I remember you have issues with option characters a 
few months back but I don’t remember how you left the keyboard layout.

Take care,

Jonathan


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Morning, all,

Does anyone know how to type the inverted exclamation mark used in Spanish.  
According to my google search, it's Option 1, but that doesn't work.  I've also 
tried Option plus shift plus 1, but that didn't work either.  Any help is 
appreciated.
Best,
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Re: How does one type the inverted exclamation mark?

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   To clarify, she was asking about the inverted exclamation point 
which indeed is entered using option plus 1.


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No, it seems to be option+shift+slash

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I have US English selected.  this character has never worked for me.  I just 
tested on my old MBA, and I get the same result, so it wouldn't seem to be 
related to the problem I was having back in July.
Cheers,
Donna

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Certainly in my El Capitan system with USA English keyboard option 1 produces 
the inverted exclamation. I remember you have issues with option characters a 
few months back but I don’t remember how you left the keyboard layout.

Take care,

Jonathan


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Morning, all,

Does anyone know how to type the inverted exclamation mark used in Spanish.  
According to my google search, it's Option 1, but that doesn't work.  I've also 
tried Option plus shift plus 1, but that didn't work either.  Any help is 
appreciated.
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Re: Copying Last Phrase Spoken

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   This has been quite interesting. There are some errors, probably in 
Voiceover. One error is Option+Shift+8 is correctly reported as the 
degree sign. Option+0 should be Feminine Ordinal Number but is 
incorrectly reported as the degree sign.


   There are others but I've had my fun for the week.

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Vo speaks the name of punctuation etc. with the full name of the individual 
character.

The copy last phrase command really captures just the atual character, be it 
individual or as a phrase formed of characters.

This page has a list of the names spelled out of such characters; along with 
the character itselff and how to produce them on the keyboard:

https://forlang.wsu.edu/help-pages/help-pages-keyboards-os-x/

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 I am striving to copy the last phrase spoken for characters I type
with the option hey. The copy is the actual character not the text
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Re: zoom.us not showing up in English

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   The site came u i Safari speaking perfect English.

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On 9/9/2018 2:12 AM, Raymond Foret Jr wrote:

Okay y’
all, I don’t get it.  When ever I go to:
www.zoom.us 
and try to take a look around, I get a page that does not show up in 
English but some foreign language I don’t understand.  I can’t tell how 
to make it show in English.  My Mac’s language and region settings are 
set to English US.  Am I missing something?


Oh, almost forgot to mention I’m trying this in Safari.  Now, in Google 
crome, the page shows up in English just fine.  How to make this happen 
in Safari?


Thanks.


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Re: Notification Centre on Mac

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   "completely unusable" says nothing. Please provide more details.

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completely unusable


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Re: part of what I see when I go to zoom.us

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   Check your encoding in prefs under the advanced tab.

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For those wondering what exactly I see when I go to:
www.zoom.us 
here ’s a sample.  As you will see, it’s not English.

  * FORFAITS ET TARIFICATION 
  * CONTACTER LES VENTES 

  * SE JOINDRE À UNE RÉUNION 
  *
ANIMER UNE RÉUNION
  *
  * SE CONNECTER 
  *
INSCRIVEZ-VOUS, C'EST GRATUIT 
*


Zoom Video Communications a été nommé Choix du consommateur 2018 par
le « Gartner Peer Insights » comme solution de réunion !**

Lire le rapport 
Gartner Chart
Une expérience d'entreprise constante.
RéunionsRéunions 


Réunions

Réunions en ligne, formations et assistance technique

Voir la 
vidéoEn 
savoir plus


Visionner la vidéo sur les réunions

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Given this, can anybody possibly guess why I’m getting this in Safari 
when in Google Crome, it comes up in perfect English?  There must be 
some setting I need to change but can’t figure out what it is.  Mind 
you, this seems to be the only site which does this to me.



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Re: Apple Feedback/Startup Chime

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   Must have been an urban myth. Not surprising in the digital age.

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On 9/4/2018 6:52 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi Simon,

I must have missed that message.  You are correct in that the power 
button has nothing to do with the chime, other than when you press it, 
to power up, the chime will sound on some models.  I'm also somewhat 
confused by that comment.  Every Mac has a power button, otherwise how 
would you power it up.  Yes, for some the button is a solenoid switch on 
the keyboard, others are located somewhere else on the machine, but 
every single one has a power button.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
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On Sep 4, 2018, at 00:40, Simon Fogarty <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:


Oh and to the earlier post about they took the chime because they took 
the power button,


My mac book air has the chime and last time I checked it doesn't have a 
power button according to that earlier statement.


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Subject: Apple Feedback/Startup Chime

    I don't know how many of you are willing to stay and implore Apple 
to put the beloved chime back in its firmware but seriously, sounding a 
combined voice is not unreasonable. Use the link below to let Apple know 
why the chime is important to you. Note this link is for Macbook Pro 
feedback.


<https://www.apple.com/feedback/macbookpro.html>

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Re: Ram memory in Vmware fusion.

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   Hehe. That is a good one, Anders. Yes 8 is not much is it?

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Hi!
It came from the hidden parts of my brain i’m afraid.
Ok, so then i have to deal with my 8gb of ram.
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   Don't think you can do that. My Mac has 16gigs and in Fusion its set to 97% 
which is 12gigs. Not sure whose math that comes from.

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Hi!
If i have a virtual machine with say Linux or WIndows and if i make the amount 
of ram bigger than my ram memory on the mac, will the virtual machine not work 
then or does it create the memory in a file on the disk?
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Re: Copying Last Phrase Spoken

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   Let's say I press option 5 and get the infinity symbol. When I do 
the copy, I do not get the text 'infinity' but the character.


   My hearing is not the best so am endeacoring t learn what some of 
these symbols are. Most I undestand but there are many that are 
unfaamiliar to me.


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I don’t quite understand your query but my guess to the answer would be no.

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   I am striving to copy the last phrase spoken for characters I type with the 
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Copying Last Phrase Spoken

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   I am striving to copy the last phrase spoken for characters I type 
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Re: part of what I see when I go to zoom.us

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   That is what I have encoding set to. Well ok, clean out your history 
and cache. Also perhaps try using https instead of www. The www came up 
fine in Windows but in Safari I just typed zoom.us which came up with 
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Okay.  What exactly do I want it set to?  I saw that it was set to 
Western ISO Latin 1.  I assume that this is not correct.  So, what do I 
change it to?


UTF8?


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  Check your encoding in prefs under the advanced tab.

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For those wondering what exactly I see when I go to:
www.zoom.us <http://www.zoom.us> <http://www.zoom.us>
here ’s a sample.  As you will see, it’s not English.
 * FORFAITS ET TARIFICATION <https://www.zoom.us/pricing>
 * CONTACTER LES VENTES <https://www.zoom.us/contactsales>
 * SE JOINDRE À UNE RÉUNION <https://www.zoom.us/join>
 *
   ANIMER UNE RÉUNION
 *
 * SE CONNECTER <https://www.zoom.us/signin>
 *
   INSCRIVEZ-VOUS, C'EST GRATUIT <https://www.zoom.us/signup>
*
   Zoom Video Communications a été nommé Choix du consommateur 2018 par
   le « Gartner Peer Insights » comme solution de réunion !**
Lire le rapport 
<https://www.zoom.us/fr-fr/gartner-2018-peer-insights.html>

Gartner Chart
Une expérience d'entreprise constante.
RéunionsRéunions <https://www.zoom.us/fr-fr/meetings.html>
   Réunions
Réunions en ligne, formations et assistance technique
Voir la 
vidéo<https://www.youtube.com/embed/BGH1y70zSkg?rel=0=1=0>En 
savoir plus<https://www.zoom.us/fr-fr/meetings.html>

Visionner la vidéo sur les réunions
En savoir plus sur les réunions
Webinaire vidéoWebinaire vidéo <https://www.zoom.us/webinar>
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Événements de
Given this, can anybody possibly guess why I’m getting this in Safari 
when in Google Crome, it comes up in perfect English?  There must be 
some setting I need to change but can’t figure out what it is.  Mind 
you, this seems to be the only site which does this to me.
Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for 
the blind:

Sincerely,
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Re: part of what I see when I go to zoom.us

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   It French.

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On 9/10/2018 2:55 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Try pasting that in to google translater and see what it says.

Sounds some what Spanish to me, but then hey I don’t speak lingos

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*Subject:* part of what I see when I go to zoom.us

For those wondering what exactly I see when I go to:

www.zoom.us 

here ’s a sample.  As you will see, it’s not English.

·*FORFAITS ET TARIFICATION *

·*CONTACTER LES VENTES *

·*SE JOINDRE À UNE RÉUNION *

·*ANIMER UNE RÉUNION *

·**

·*SE CONNECTER *

·*INSCRIVEZ-VOUS, C'EST GRATUIT *

·**


Zoom Video Communications a été nommé Choix du consommateur 2018 par
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Gartner Chart

Une expérience d'entreprise constante.

RéunionsRéunions 


Réunions

Réunions en ligne, formations et assistance technique

*Voir la vidéo* 
*En 
savoir plus* 


Visionner la vidéo sur les réunions

En savoir plus sur les réunions

Webinaire vidéoWebinaire vidéo 


Webinaire vidéo

Événements de

Given this, can anybody possibly guess why I’m getting this in Safari 
when in Google Crome, it comes up in perfect English?  There must be 
some setting I need to change but can’t figure out what it is.  Mind 
you, this seems to be the only site which does this to me.


Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
blind:


Sincerely,

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Re: Rescuing a file from the trash

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   It is off. Sometimes I like it on but in some instances I like to 
hot the bottom of some menus quickly especially if there are many items.


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On 9/10/2018 11:23 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi ET,

Wrapping around only works if you've set that in the VO Utility.  By 
default, VO is not set to wrap around, although I much prefer wrap 
around mode as opposed to hitting the wall.


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On Sep 10, 2018, at 12:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   One can use the left arrow key alone to wrap around from the Finder 
item on the dock to Trash, then arrow up to Open it. No Put Back 
shortcut I know of but if one acts quickly, Cmd Z may save the day.


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Hi,
Press VO-d to go to the Dock, either type t r, or VO-right all the way 
to the far right of the Dock where the Trash can is located.  VO-space 
on this item.  The Trash will open and display the items within the 
Trash.  To reclaim an item from the Trash without soiling yourself, 
locate the item then VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu. 
 Select "Put Back" from that menu and it will go right back to where 
it was before the accidental delete.  There might be a keyboard 
shortcut for "Put Back", but I can't remember for sure right now and 
don't wish to tell you a wrong command.

Later...
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On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:52, Michael Busboom <mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com> <mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi everybody,
I guess my subject sort of explains the situation.  I accidentally 
sent a file on my Desktop to Trash, and I want to get that file back!
Unless I overlooked something, I was unable to find a Trash folder on 
my Mac.  If someone could tell me how to find a list of files that are 
in the trash bin, I’d be very grateful.

My best to all of you, and thanks in advance,
Mike
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Re: Rescuing a file from the trash

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   One can use the left arrow key alone to wrap around from the Finder 
item on the dock to Trash, then arrow up to Open it. No Put Back 
shortcut I know of but if one acts quickly, Cmd Z may save the day.


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On 9/10/2018 10:59 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Press VO-d to go to the Dock, either type t r, or VO-right all the way 
to the far right of the Dock where the Trash can is located.  VO-space 
on this item.  The Trash will open and display the items within the 
Trash.  To reclaim an item from the Trash without soiling yourself, 
locate the item then VO-shift-m to bring up the Contextual menu.  Select 
"Put Back" from that menu and it will go right back to where it was 
before the accidental delete.  There might be a keyboard shortcut for 
"Put Back", but I can't remember for sure right now and don't wish to 
tell you a wrong command.


Later...

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Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:52, Michael Busboom > wrote:


Hi everybody,

I guess my subject sort of explains the situation.  I accidentally sent 
a file on my Desktop to Trash, and I want to get that file back!


Unless I overlooked something, I was unable to find a Trash folder on my 
Mac.  If someone could tell me how to find a list of files that are in 
the trash bin, I’d be very grateful.


My best to all of you, and thanks in advance,

Mike

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Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Donna,
   I was curious so I went to Languages and Regions and added Spanish. 
This also added the Spanish keyboard in Keyboard preferences. Then I 
went to menu extras and could not find the text input menu. That is 
because it changed to US which is still my preferred language. So this 
is where one can chnge the language on the fly. Typically with just one 
language one can go to the text input menu and bring up the character 
viewer and select those oddball symbols so no need for extra keyboards 
if one only needs to type in an occasional foreign language character.


   As an aside I tested the option key and its fine. I am going to stop 
at that. (grins)


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On 7/5/2018 4:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, I don't think I'll ever change that setting again. lol
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 5, 2018, at 12:00 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Maybe that control in extras is app-specific, or even trickier, 
document-specific, and the one in System Preferences is for everything else. 
Could be useful, although you’d have to really be good at remember what you use 
where.


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:47 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yes.  But then I removed it again once all this started happening.  If you go 
into Extras, and go past battery status, you'll see it.  I had just assumed it 
was a second occurrence of the control that appears under Keyboard prefs, but 
it must be different somehow.
Donna


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

You had installed a Spanish keyboard right? I followed the trail from the text 
input on menu extras. It was under the Input tab in keyboard preferences, 
right? Just curious in case I add a keyboard.

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On 7/4/2018 4:56 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks.  I can't take much credit, though.  It was sheer dumb luck.  Since I 
had already checked that setting under keyboard prefs, I could easily have gone 
the rest of my life without  looking at it in the extras menu.  I just assumed 
they were the same setting under different locations, but apparently they're 
not.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 4, 2018, at 3:35 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hey donna,
Great work.

Glad you found it.

Now if you do it again you'll know where to go.

Awesome work.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 3:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

So after spending most of the evening trying to set up my new user profile, I 
fixed the option key problem.

I was using the status menu to check the battery.  In doing so, I passed over 
the Text Input item in the extras menu.  It was set to Unicode Hex, rather than 
US.  I had actually checked that setting under keyboard prefs and it was set 
correctly, but evidently, the setting in the Extras menu is separate from the 
setting in Keyboard prefs.

This has easily been one of the most annoying problems I've ever encountered on 
the Mac.  On the upside, I don't have to spend the next week configuring the 
new user profile.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Taking a break from housework. I removed Spanish from Languages and 
Regions. Interesting that it was still in Keyboard prefs so removed that 
too. Now the text input menu is as it was before.


   Have you looked at the character viewer in that menu? Might be 
easier than having more than one keyboard. There's also an emoji viewer 
there.


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On 7/5/2018 11:19 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi ET,

Mostly I added the Spanish keyboard for grins.  I may give it another go 
someday, but for now, I'm just sticking with US.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Donna,
   I was curious so I went to Languages and Regions and added Spanish. This 
also added the Spanish keyboard in Keyboard preferences. Then I went to menu 
extras and could not find the text input menu. That is because it changed to US 
which is still my preferred language. So this is where one can chnge the 
language on the fly. Typically with just one language one can go to the text 
input menu and bring up the character viewer and select those oddball symbols 
so no need for extra keyboards if one only needs to type in an occasional 
foreign language character.

   As an aside I tested the option key and its fine. I am going to stop at 
that. (grins)

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On 7/5/2018 4:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, I don't think I'll ever change that setting again. lol
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 5, 2018, at 12:00 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Maybe that control in extras is app-specific, or even trickier, 
document-specific, and the one in System Preferences is for everything else. 
Could be useful, although you’d have to really be good at remember what you use 
where.


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:47 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Yes.  But then I removed it again once all this started happening.  If you go 
into Extras, and go past battery status, you'll see it.  I had just assumed it 
was a second occurrence of the control that appears under Keyboard prefs, but 
it must be different somehow.
Donna


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

You had installed a Spanish keyboard right? I followed the trail from the text 
input on menu extras. It was under the Input tab in keyboard preferences, 
right? Just curious in case I add a keyboard.

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On 7/4/2018 4:56 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks.  I can't take much credit, though.  It was sheer dumb luck.  Since I 
had already checked that setting under keyboard prefs, I could easily have gone 
the rest of my life without  looking at it in the extras menu.  I just assumed 
they were the same setting under different locations, but apparently they're 
not.
Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 4, 2018, at 3:35 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hey donna,
Great work.

Glad you found it.

Now if you do it again you'll know where to go.

Awesome work.

-Original Message-
From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 3:24 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

So after spending most of the evening trying to set up my new user profile, I 
fixed the option key problem.

I was using the status menu to check the battery.  In doing so, I passed over 
the Text Input item in the extras menu.  It was set to Unicode Hex, rather than 
US.  I had actually checked that setting under keyboard prefs and it was set 
correctly, but evidently, the setting in the Extras menu is separate from the 
setting in Keyboard prefs.

This has easily been one of the most annoying problems I've ever encountered on 
the Mac.  On the upside, I don't have to spend the next week configuring the 
new user profile.
Cheers,
Donna

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Display Settings

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   Anyone know where the settings for the display are stored in macOS 
High Sierra? Something got buggered when I was tweaking settings in 
Accessibility > Display. I cannot find these settings so I can either 
reset them or restore from Time Machine. Thanks.


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Sound Effects

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   In System Preferences, Sounds, under the Sound Effects tab, we have 
a table of the built-in sound effects. there is no information on what 
action activates each sound. Or perhaps what I am actually looking for 
is related to user interface sounds and in that case, is it possible to 
disable specific sounds? Anyone know?


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Re: Sound Effects

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   Oh ok yes. I was trashed by an issue for the last few days that 
finally got resolved today so was not thinking clearly. I disabled the 
user interface sound so will see if that is what I want. There are some 
instances where I don't want to hear a sound effect that plays at the 
same time with VO speech.


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On 7/9/2018 2:38 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

ET,

Those items in the table of sounds are the “Alert” sound that is generated by 
control-G in her terminal or beep in AppleScript. A little lower in the table 
is a check box for sound effects and is only a checkbox. I have not studied if 
MacOS X has any preferences to adjust sound schemes like other OS systems do. I 
wouldn’t think it would be too hard to do this, and in fact there were a lot of 
hacks to Mac OS 9  and probably 7 to change or add different sounds. My 
favorite add-on in those days was a Oscar feature that sang a song about trash 
every time you emptied the trash and also had an animation where Oscar the 
Grouch would poke his head out of the trash can.

“Oh I love trash”.

Jonathan Cohn
   

On Jul 9, 2018, at 3:35 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

   In System Preferences, Sounds, under the Sound Effects tab, we have a table 
of the built-in sound effects. there is no information on what action activates 
each sound. Or perhaps what I am actually looking for is related to user 
interface sounds and in that case, is it possible to disable specific sounds? 
Anyone know?

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Re: Delay after "welcom to voicdOver" message

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   Login options might also be worth a look at to see what apps are listed.

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On 7/11/2018 8:00 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

As others have mentioned, I would suspect a piece of code that is waiting 
forI/O probably network based that is not occurring or takes a while to get in 
sync. If you turn off WiFi and disconnect any physical ethernet connections to 
you still have a delay? Usually on my systems I get a few mentions of 
applications starting in background and if I have been lazy and have a dozen 
applications running that can take a while.

Also, on my work system I always get a delay when logging in, but then after 
the delay a warning dialog box appears stating that a network disk failed to 
connect.

On Jul 11, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
After I hear the welcome to voiceOver message, there is a long delay (at least 
2 minutes) before I can open apps or use the finder.  I’d like to understand 
what is causing this delay and whether I can do anything about it.

TIA
Chris

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Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Jonathan,
   I noticed there is a Spanish ISO keyboard in addition to Spanish 
without ISO. So these keyboards essentially remap the physical keyboard? 
It appears that is what Donna experienced.


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On 7/6/2018 6:46 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Donna,

First of all, I believe you said your keyboard selection was ISO which 
is a very specialized keyboard listed under “other languages”. I am not 
quite sure how it works. For those that have learned touch typing in the 
US but need to input a bit of accented characters there is besides the 
option-e for accent acute and option i for accent circumflex the US 
International keyboard. This makes the accent input more like on a PC 
where you don’t need to use a two finger keystroke to input accents.


For more information read:

https://www.macworld.com/article/1147039/os-x/accentinput.html

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On Jul 6, 2018, at 7:29 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


That's good to know, Anne.  I can well believe that I may have changed 
something accidentally.  Someday I may try it again.

Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 6, 2018, at 12:36 AM, Anne Robertson <mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk>> wrote:


I’m still using Sierra, but for years now I’ve had two keyboards 
configured on my Mac since French uses so many different accents. 
I’ve never had a problem switching keyboards and the French layout 
has never interfered with the functioning of any keys.

Cheers,

Anne



On 5 Jul 2018, at 21:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


No, I never got around to looking at the keyboard.  I'm pretty 
comfortable entering diacritics with the accent key on the US 
keyboard, so I probably won't play with the Spanish one again till I 
have some time on my hands.

Cheers,
Donna

On Jul 5, 2018, at 2:18 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:


Taking a break from housework. I removed Spanish from Languages and 
Regions. Interesting that it was still in Keyboard prefs so removed 
that too. Now the text input menu is as it was before.


Have you looked at the character viewer in that menu? Might be 
easier than having more than one keyboard. There's also an emoji 
viewer there.


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On 7/5/2018 11:19 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi ET,
Mostly I added the Spanish keyboard for grins.  I may give it 
another go someday, but for now, I'm just sticking with US.

Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 5, 2018, at 10:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Donna,
I was curious so I went to Languages and Regions and added 
Spanish. This also added the Spanish keyboard in Keyboard 
preferences. Then I went to menu extras and could not find the 
text input menu. That is because it changed to US which is still 
my preferred language. So this is where one can chnge the 
language on the fly. Typically with just one language one can go 
to the text input menu and bring up the character viewer and 
select those oddball symbols so no need for extra keyboards if 
one only needs to type in an occasional foreign language character.


As an aside I tested the option key and its fine. I am going to 
stop at that. (grins)


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On 7/5/2018 4:55 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Yeah, I don't think I'll ever change that setting again. lol
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 5, 2018, at 12:00 AM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Maybe that control in extras is app-specific, or even trickier, 
document-specific, and the one in System Preferences is for 
everything else. Could be useful, although you’d have to really 
be good at remember what you use where.


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:47 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


Yes.  But then I removed it again once all this started 
happening.  If you go into Extras, and go past battery status, 
you'll see it.  I had just assumed it was a second occurrence 
of the control that appears under Keyboard prefs, but it must 
be different somehow.

Donna

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:29 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:


You had installed a Spanish keyboard right? I followed the 
trail from the text input on menu extras. It was under the 
Input tab in keyboard preferences, right? Just curious in 
case I add a keyboard.


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Re: An iTunes question

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   No idea. I think recovery mode is best in this case. In the same 
article I posted the link to is another link to using recovery mode.


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On 7/12/2018 11:25 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

E.T.' via MacVisionaries

I also heard that pressing the power button five times rapidly for the SOS 
feature, will disable the USB Lock. However, does the SOS feature calls 911?

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Re: An iTunes question

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Angus,
   Take a look at this Apple support article.



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On 7/11/2018 12:16 PM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

Anne



Thank you. I did not know that the charging was not a problem with iTunes. I 
now have a new problem.

I was updating my iPhone 5S to IOS 11.4.1. I had to restore the iPhone before 
upgrading to IOS 11.4.1. Everything went fine and got a six digit code so my 
iMac could Connect. I unpluged the phone and when I press my iPhone 5S’s Home 
button, Iam told the iPhone is disabled, Connect  to iTunes (iTunes will not 
see the plugged in iPhone) and asked for the pin which is not accepted. I can 
recieve FaceTime calls.

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Re: An iTunes question

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   Settings > Touch ID & Passcode > USB Accessories.

   But if your passcode is no good then you may need to boot your phone 
into recovery mode.


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Thank you. However, my problem is the USB Lock in IOS 11.4.1. Until I can 
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Re: iPhone storage“last used” data

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   I took a quick look and found it mostly accurate.

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On 7/10/2018 9:07 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

If you go into settings, general, iPhone storage, you will see a list of apps 
and how much space they and their associated data are using. You will also see 
a date when Apple claims the app was last used. This data is wildly in accurate 
in the case of me and my phone. It has apps that I use on an almost daily basis 
as having not been used in months. What the hell is up here? How does apple get 
this data and how can it be so incredibly wrong?
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Yelp

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   I think there is more than one Yelp app for iOS. Which one do I 
want? Or if its not accessible, is the web interface better on the Mac? 
Thanks.


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Re: MacBook Pro 2015 Mojave?

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   Mojave will run on that just fine.

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On 7/4/2018 8:16 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries wrote:

I’m considering buying a used MacBook Pro 2015 8gb ram 256gb ssd running El 
Capitan to see if it will run Mojave with VoiceOver - does this sound viable? 
My old 2009 MacBook just crawls along...
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Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

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   I so did need that MBP to keep me away from ugh, housework. (smiles)

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On 7/4/2018 4:49 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Sorry to disappoint, E.T. NOT. *grin*

Thanks!
Donna


On Jul 3, 2018, at 11:10 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   Oh darn, there goes my "new" Mac. (big grin) That is fantastic. So glad you 
fixed it.

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On 7/3/2018 8:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So after spending most of the evening trying to set up my new user profile, I 
fixed the option key problem.
I was using the status menu to check the battery.  In doing so, I passed over 
the Text Input item in the extras menu.  It was set to Unicode Hex, rather than 
US.  I had actually checked that setting under keyboard prefs and it was set 
correctly, but evidently, the setting in the Extras menu is separate from the 
setting in Keyboard prefs.
This has easily been one of the most annoying problems I've ever encountered on 
the Mac.  On the upside, I don't have to spend the next week configuring the 
new user profile.
Cheers,
Donna


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Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

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   You had installed a Spanish keyboard right? I followed the trail 
from the text input on menu extras. It was under the Input tab in 
keyboard preferences, right? Just curious in case I add a keyboard.


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On 7/4/2018 4:56 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Thanks.  I can't take much credit, though.  It was sheer dumb luck.  Since I 
had already checked that setting under keyboard prefs, I could easily have gone 
the rest of my life without  looking at it in the extras menu.  I just assumed 
they were the same setting under different locations, but apparently they're 
not.
Cheers,
Donna


On Jul 4, 2018, at 3:35 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hey donna,
Great work.

Glad you found it.

Now if you do it again you'll know where to go.

Awesome work.

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Subject: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

So after spending most of the evening trying to set up my new user profile, I 
fixed the option key problem.

I was using the status menu to check the battery.  In doing so, I passed over 
the Text Input item in the extras menu.  It was set to Unicode Hex, rather than 
US.  I had actually checked that setting under keyboard prefs and it was set 
correctly, but evidently, the setting in the Extras menu is separate from the 
setting in Keyboard prefs.

This has easily been one of the most annoying problems I've ever encountered on 
the Mac.  On the upside, I don't have to spend the next week configuring the 
new user profile.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

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   Sorry dude you made your bid long after I did. Nice try though.

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On 7/4/2018 2:54 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

Hey, ET,

I had my eye on it first, you'll have to wait till I'm finished with it.

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Subject: Re: OMG, I can't believe I fixed it!

 Oh darn, there goes my "new" Mac. (big grin) That is fantastic. So glad 
you fixed it.

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On 7/3/2018 8:23 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

So after spending most of the evening trying to set up my new user profile, I 
fixed the option key problem.

I was using the status menu to check the battery.  In doing so, I passed over 
the Text Input item in the extras menu.  It was set to Unicode Hex, rather than 
US.  I had actually checked that setting under keyboard prefs and it was set 
correctly, but evidently, the setting in the Extras menu is separate from the 
setting in Keyboard prefs.

This has easily been one of the most annoying problems I've ever encountered on 
the Mac.  On the upside, I don't have to spend the next week configuring the 
new user profile.
Cheers,
Donna



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Re: File Location

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   I am guessing by default it would be in Documents.

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On 7/3/2018 10:01 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

I am using OS 10.11.6’s Text Edit and renamed the file from “Untitled.txt” to 
“signature-Personal.txt” and saved. After quitting and running SpotLite, I can 
not find the file. Where does Text Edit save files? ThanK you.

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Re: File Location

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   Or if not in Documents, create a new document and save it. While in 
the save dialog, navigate to the file location item and it should be the 
last location you saved to.


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I am using OS 10.11.6’s Text Edit and renamed the file from “Untitled.txt” to 
“signature-Personal.txt” and saved. After quitting and running SpotLite, I can 
not find the file. Where does Text Edit save files? ThanK you.

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Re: Happy Independence day USA!!!

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   American democracy is under siege from within, so celebrate this 4th 
while you can. (smiles)


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On 7/4/2018 8:47 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:

Ahoy Listers!
Happy Independence day USA!
celebrate America today
The Very Idea of America
The Fourth of July is about the very Idea of America.
We forget this sometimes. America wasn’t founded on a government, or a 
political system. All of that came much later.
It began with this beautiful idea, that our rights come from God. It began with 
this idea of a society based on these natural rights, on liberty, freedom, free 
enterprise, self-determination.
It is our duty to preserve this idea—this Great Experiment—and just as 
important, to preserve the spirit in which it was conceived.
That sacred pledge made on this day, they made it to each other. Everything 
depended on that. Everything after—every success, every sacrifice—came from 
that common cause.
Tocqueville thought this was the genius of our country. “Americans of all ages, 
all conditions, all minds constantly unite,” he wrote.

Every day, we unite in some small way. We forget this too.

We give back in our communities, we look for ways to solve problems, we look 
out for neighbors in need. Those things—civility and civil society—they are 
what connect us to one another. And by doing our part—whatever it may be—we 
keep this great experiment going.
So, celebrate America today. Fire up the grill. Light up the sky.
Charge up those Apple devices, and give thanks to GOD!
GOD Bless the USA! :)
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Re: Fwd: OT:Fwd: Braille for a New Digital Age - The New York Times

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   I've seen many similar complaints. Either the developers are 
overwhelmed or underweight. This project has been ongoing for a couple 
years.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

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Here is an article with the latest news about Blitab. I also applied to 
be a tester and wanted to pre order, but never heard from them. It was 
supposed to come out at the end of last year. Hope it really does come 
out this time.

Peggy and Dixie Marie
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/03/arts/tablet-devices-blind-braille.html


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Re: creating a website link on the dock?

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   Put the two lines into a text file with the URL you want.

[InternetShortcut]
URL=http://www.apple.com

   Then press enter and save with the extension of .url.

   Not sure this can be added to the dock, never tried it. I know you 
can save folders there.


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On 10/8/2018 10:24 AM, Erik Burggraaf wrote:
Hi, does any one know a keyboard friendly way to add a web shortcut to 
the dock?  A quick google search shows drag and drop only and while this 
is theoretically possible, I'd rather not.


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Erik




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Re: Mojave Clean Install

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   Yup I did it over yesterday. Have no idw what went wrong for I did 
nothing different but it is working. Now I am trying to get my Windows 
VM going.


   Perhaps I will come back to you later for those notes. Never know.

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On 10/11/2018 7:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

There are a ways of creating a new Admin account from Terminal while in 
Recovery mode.  I could share these with you if you haven't already gave 
up and did a new clean install.


Later...

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   It was fine, spent part of the day tweaking things. But after a 
restart I do not get my admin account login, just the guest. Short of a 
fresh install, are there other options? If I start over I need to figure 
out what went wrong. Ideas?


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macOS Mojave App Store

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   This got an overhaul. There is no longer a Purchased tab and no way 
to redownload apps. The only option is to open an app from the app store 
but no option to redownload it. Has anyone found a way to redownload 
previously purchased apps?


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Re: issue with Mojave

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   This has carried over from High Sierra. It is worse in Mojave. Its 
hit and miss. When you hear the "security agent has no window" press VO 
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On 10/12/2018 9:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hey everyone, ok, found an odd issue with Mojave, wonder if anyone else has 
seen this, I'm not sure if it's voiceover related or the operating system 
itself. When moving or copying files to any place outside of your home folder, 
you are normally prompted for your password. However, in Mojave, voiceover says 
security agent has no windows, a finder window appears saying that it's 
preparing to copy files but since there is no way to enter the password, the 
only way out of this window is to force the finder to relaunch. This is on my 
new macbook air, have not tried it on my mac minis yet.



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