[Mailman-Users] extracting banned/rejected/discarded email addresses for exim blacklist

2006-09-20 Thread Bretton Vine
Is there an easy way to extract all the addresses which have been marked as
follows in a mailman list setup - but for all lists?

 i.e. extract all addresses which are listed in:
  - banned from subscribing to the list
  - automatically reject posts from $these_addresses
  - automatically discard posts from $these_addresses

It's taken me 30 minutes to manually copy-paste from 10 lists from a single
install (with lots of duplicates involved) and I just don't have the
time/patience to do it for up to 200 lists.

What I'm trying to do is extract all those problem addresses, add to a file
and do a `sort | uniq` on it and add it to exim's blacklist (which is
another exercise in frustration due to format being $domain $sender and not
[EMAIL PROTECTED])

Suggestions appreciated :-)

(Ideally I want to setup a script to do this automatically on a regular
basis and just add new addresses to exim's blacklist)

Part of the reason I'm looking into this is that despite all my pleading
some list-owners just won't admin their lists properly (and yes I know I can
set a limit on max days to hold - but some legitimate mail might get lost then)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM lists on Gmane

2006-09-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:09 PM -0400 9/18/06, John A. Martin quoted JC Dill:

 JC The list subscription policy is that it is not OK to setup a
 JC public archive without specific permission.  When a
 JC subscription request is accepted the list server is saying
 JC yes to personal archives, and no to public archives
 JC without specific permission.  Gmane ignores this distinction.

  Where are those restrictions expressed.  I do not see them at
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users.  I do not see
  them in either the subscription challenge mail nor in the welcome mail
  pertaining to a recent subscription to mailman-users.

That's a very valid point.  I thought we'd already covered this 
problem last time the Gmane issue came up, but obviously not.

I'll talk to JC offline and see if we can work up some suggested 
improvements to the wording of the respective templates and then we 
can see what Barry thinks.  Once we have a consensus, one of us will 
make the appropriate changes.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list management - no subscribtion possible? -Onlysome moderated should be able to post, possible too?

2006-09-20 Thread Torsten Krah
Thx - that are the ways i found, thought maybe i missed some cool
option.

kind regards

Am Dienstag, den 19.09.2006, 20:00 -0700 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 The only way to do this that I can think of is to have the authorized
 posters post from an alias which is not a list member and moderate all
 the members. Then set member_moderation_action to reject or discard
 and set generic_nonmember_action to hold. This may not be a solution
 if you don't want to deal with nonmember posts which aren't from
 authorized posters.
 
 
 Actually, you can do a bit better than that. Set
 generic_nonmember_action to reject or discard and add the authorized
 aliases to hold_these_nonmembers.
 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List My Other Subscriptions Not working

2006-09-20 Thread Dave Troiano
Hi Mark,

--- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dave Troiano wrote:
 
 When I try to do this, I receive the following
 error
 message:
 
 Note: The list administrator may not view the
 other
 subscriptions for 
 this
 user.
 
 It seems like this should work, and I should not be
 receiving this 
 error
 message.
 
 
 Why should the admin of one list be allowed to
 view/change information
 for a user's other subscriptions to lists of which
 she/he may not be
 the admin?
 

The scenario we have is that I am the list owner for
all the lists. And we have a controlled
subscription/unsubscription process whereas members
will need to fill out an online request form to
subscribe/unsubscribe, that I process manually.

so the common scenario is when someone requests to be
unsubscribed from all of the lists they are on, or
they leave the company and we need to remove them, we
need a way to quickly identify all the lists they are
on.

 
 Does anyone know of a way to resolve this
 issue so that I may 
 see
 what other lists a specific member is on?
 
 
 If you are the site admin, log on with the site
 password and you will
 be able to do this. If you are not the site admin,
 but you have access
 to the command line scripts, use bin/find_member.

I'm not the site admin and don't have access to the
command line scripts, unfortunately. But how do I log
on as the site admin to a list in order to view this?
I could get the site adming ID and password if needed.

Thanks,
Dave




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[Mailman-Users] Output to file all lists and associated member addresses

2006-09-20 Thread Bill Landry
Is there a simple way to output to a file all lists with each lists 
associated member addresses?  I know I can use:

bin/list_lists -b

and then:

bin/list_members list-name

for each list, but is there a way to do this in one fell swoop, without 
having to run through each member list individually?

Thanks for any and all suggestions...!

Bill 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Output to file all lists and associated member addresses

2006-09-20 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 9/20/06, Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there a simple way to output to a file all lists with each lists
 associated member addresses?  I know I can use:

snip

 for each list, but is there a way to do this in one fell swoop, without
 having to run through each member list individually?
You can do it with some simple shell scripting:

for i in `bin/list_lists -b`; do bin/list_members $i; done

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[Mailman-Users] Mailing list not receiving the messages

2006-09-20 Thread Bhavin Shah
Dear all,

I am using the MAILMAN mailing list ( Version 2.1.7) for the website since
couple of years. However, since last few days the Mailing list is not
receiving the messages. Users are getting the following error message when
it is tried to send the message to the Mailing list :


This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550-The recipient cannot be verified.
 Please check all recipients of this
550 message to verify they are valid.
***

Please help me.

Regards,

Bhavin
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Output to file all lists and associated member addresses

2006-09-20 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On 9/20/06, Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there a simple way to output to a file all lists with each lists
 associated member addresses?  I know I can use:

 snip

 for each list, but is there a way to do this in one fell swoop, without
 having to run through each member list individually?
 You can do it with some simple shell scripting:

 for i in `bin/list_lists -b`; do bin/list_members $i; done

Thanks Patrick, that certainly gives me a listing of all of the member 
e-mail address for every list, but does not associate them with the 
particular list they apply to.  I was looking for an output like:

List-A
e-mail-1
e-mail-2
e-mail-3

List-B
e-mail-4
e-mail-5
e-mail-6

List-C
e-mail-7
e-mail-8
e-mail-9

Bill 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] extracting banned/rejected/discarded email addresses for exim blacklist

2006-09-20 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 9/20/06, Bretton Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is there an easy way to extract all the addresses which have been marked as
 follows in a mailman list setup - but for all lists?

  i.e. extract all addresses which are listed in:
   - banned from subscribing to the list
   - automatically reject posts from $these_addresses
   - automatically discard posts from $these_addresses

bin/dumpdb list path/config.pck will give you access to all the
pickled data inside a config, which includes ban_list,
discard_these_nonmembers, and reject_these_nonmembers.

Here's a bash hack using grep, tr, and cut to do it:

#!/bin/bash
DUMPDB=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb
LISTPATH=/var/lib/mailman/lists/
PCK=`$DUMPDB $LISTPATH/$1/config.pck | tr \n   | tr -s  `

{ for i in ban_list discard_these_nonmembers reject_these_nonmembers
do
echo $PCK | grep -Eo '$i': \[[^]]*\] | cut -d ':' -f 2 | tr -d
[][' ] # | tr , \n
done; } | tr , \n | tr -s \n | sort | uniq

Put that in a file, e.g. 'script', and run: ./script listname.
You'll probably need to fix DUMPDB= and LISTPATH=.

You can wrap this in something like: for i in `list_lists -b` to
automate over all lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Output to file all lists and associated member addresses

2006-09-20 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 9/20/06, Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Patrick, that certainly gives me a listing of all of the member
 e-mail address for every list, but does not associate them with the
 particular list they apply to.  I was looking for an output like:

 List-A
 e-mail-1
 e-mail-2
 e-mail-3

for i in `bin/list_lists -b`; do echo $i; bin/list_members $i; done

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Output to file all lists and associated member addresses

2006-09-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
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On Sep 20, 2006, at 10:35 AM, Bill Landry wrote:

 Thanks Patrick, that certainly gives me a listing of all of the member
 e-mail address for every list, but does not associate them with the
 particular list they apply to.  I was looking for an output like:

I should mention that one of the things I'm really keen on doing for  
MM 2.2 is to provide XML export (and possibly import) of all list  
data.  It will likely only be available to shell accounts at first,  
at least until Mailman has proper roles and permissions.

As always, you can get a sense for where things are headed (and add  
your own thoughts!) on the Mailman wiki at

http://wiki.list.org

Cheers,
- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailing list not receiving the messages

2006-09-20 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 9/20/06, Bhavin Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am using the MAILMAN mailing list ( Version 2.1.7) for the website since
 couple of years. However, since last few days the Mailing list is not
 receiving the messages. Users are getting the following error message when
 it is tried to send the message to the Mailing list :


This is an issue with your MTA. The MTA no longer seems to recognize
the names of your mailman lists. This is arguably outside the scope of
this list.

That said, to help you, we'll need to at least know which MTA you're using.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Different URL PATTERNS per virtual host?

2006-09-20 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 9/18/06, Benjamin Donnachie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dragon wrote:
  Is there some reason you would not want to run https on all of the lists?

 I host a number of sites free of charge.  While I don't mind offering
 Mailman FoC, I feel that there are somethings users should pay for and
 https is one of them!

You might look into offering cacert.org certificates to your users;
they have no additional cost other than time and (possibly) the small
cost of getting yourself listed as an assurer.

The downside is that their root certificate isn't included in most
browsers; it is still quite a step forward compares to self-signed
certificates.

Unless, of course, should pay for ... https means I want money from
them, which is probably understandable.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List My Other Subscriptions Not working

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
Dave Troiano wrote:

The scenario we have is that I am the list owner for
all the lists. And we have a controlled
subscription/unsubscription process whereas members
will need to fill out an online request form to
subscribe/unsubscribe, that I process manually.


So you are in fact the site *Mailman* administrator. Sorry, I wasn't
clear that that's what I meant when I said site admin.

So the next stumbling block is whether this is your organization's
Mailman installation vs. a virtual domain on a hosted installation. If
the former, you should know the Mailman site password. Get whowever
does have access to the command line scripts for Mailman to do
bin/mmsitepas to set a site password for Mailman if there isn't
already one and tell you what it is. Then, if you use this site
password to access a list's admin interface rather than the list admin
password, you will be able to see a users other subscriptions. Or,
perhaps your IT staff can set up a way for you to run bin/find_member.

If your Mailman is just one domain on a hosted Mailman installation,
you will need to negotiate this with the host.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Output to file all lists and associated member addresses

2006-09-20 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On 9/20/06, Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Patrick, that certainly gives me a listing of all of the member
 e-mail address for every list, but does not associate them with the
 particular list they apply to.  I was looking for an output like:

 List-A
 e-mail-1
 e-mail-2
 e-mail-3

 for i in `bin/list_lists -b`; do echo $i; bin/list_members $i; done

Thanks Patrick!  This worked perfectly:

for i in `bin/list_lists -b`; do echo $i  master-list.txt; 
bin/list_members $i  master-list.txt; echo  master-list.txt; done

Bill 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Output to file all lists and associated member addresses

2006-09-20 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 9/20/06, Bill Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Patrick!  This worked perfectly:

 for i in `bin/list_lists -b`; do echo $i  master-list.txt;
 bin/list_members $i  master-list.txt; echo  master-list.txt; done

You could also do:

{ for i in `bin/list_lists -b`;do echo $i; bin/list_members $i; echo;
done; }  master-list.txt

which is a bit more concise.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List My Other Subscriptions Not working

2006-09-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
David Andrews wrote:

At 09:50 PM 9/19/2006, you wrote:
Dave Troiano wrote:
 
 When I try to do this, I receive the following error
 message:
 
 Note: The list administrator may not view the other
 subscriptions for
 this
 user.
 


Why should the admin of one list be allowed to view/change information
for a user's other subscriptions to lists of which she/he may not be
the admin?


 Does anyone know of a way to resolve this
 issue so that I may
 see
 what other lists a specific member is on?


If you are the site admin, log on with the site password and you will
be able to do this. If you are not the site admin, but you have access
to the command line scripts, use bin/find_member.


I have one idea as to the cause, as I am having the same problem.  Up 
through versions 2.1.6 I was able to see the other subscriptions of a 
user, but get the same error message as does Dave.


This is because current behavior was first implemented in 2.1.7.


I have done something, which is probably bad practice, etc. but 
it is done.  I have used the same password for the system admin and 
site admins, as I too own all the lists -- I have about 100.  So, up 
through 2.1.6 it must have taken me as system admin, 2.1.8 now 
possibly sees me as site admin.


Actually, it always takes you as the list admin, not the site admin.
The site admin is allowed to see the user's other subscriptions, the
list admin is not since 2.1.7.


Is there any way around this?? I can access the command line scripts, 
but for reasons I won't get into here, it is not my favorite method.


Change the site admin password to be different from the list admin
password and use the stie admin password when you need that function.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] extracting banned/rejected/discarded email addresses for exim blacklist

2006-09-20 Thread Barry Finkel
Bretton Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

What I'm trying to do is extract all those problem addresses, add to a file
and do a `sort | uniq` on it and add it to exim's blacklist (which is
another exercise in frustration due to format being $domain $sender and not
[EMAIL PROTECTED])

Use this awk script:

awk '{print $2 @ $1}'

to convert $domain $sender  ==  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

or to do the reverse:

 awk '{print $2   $1}' FS=@

to convert [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ==  $domain $sender
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List My Other Subscriptions Not working

2006-09-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:58 AM -0700 9/20/06, Dave Troiano wrote:

  so the common scenario is when someone requests to be
  unsubscribed from all of the lists they are on, or
  they leave the company and we need to remove them, we
  need a way to quickly identify all the lists they are
  on.

Currently, only the site admin would have access to this level of 
information, and then only by logging into the machine where the 
lists are hosted and running command-line programs.

  I'm not the site admin and don't have access to the
  command line scripts, unfortunately.

Unfortunately, that is currently a requirement.

But how do I log
  on as the site admin to a list in order to view this?

 From the web, you don't.  It's only available via the command-line.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List My Other Subscriptions Not working

2006-09-20 Thread Dave Troiano


--- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dave Troiano wrote:
 
 The scenario we have is that I am the list owner
 for
 all the lists. And we have a controlled
 subscription/unsubscription process whereas members
 will need to fill out an online request form to
 subscribe/unsubscribe, that I process manually.
 
 
 So you are in fact the site *Mailman* administrator.
 Sorry, I wasn't
 clear that that's what I meant when I said site
 admin.
 
 So the next stumbling block is whether this is your
 organization's
 Mailman installation vs. a virtual domain on a
 hosted installation. 

This is our organization's Mailman install on a local
server.

If
 the former, you should know the Mailman site
 password. Get whowever
 does have access to the command line scripts for
 Mailman to do
 bin/mmsitepas to set a site password for Mailman if
 there isn't
 already one and tell you what it is. Then, if you
 use this site
 password to access a list's admin interface rather
 than the list admin
 password, you will be able to see a users other
 subscriptions. 

If the site's password is the same one you need to use
when creating a new list, then I know that password. 

Would this be the password that you enter in the last
field on the create a new password page called List
creator's (authentication) password.?

Or,
 perhaps your IT staff can set up a way for you to
 run bin/find_member.

This might be an option, but I don't know if they
want to release that kind of access to me. I'm hoping
to get to this info via the method mentioned above.

The only interface I have to work with now is the web
interface.

Thanks guys,
Dave

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[Mailman-Users] Can I somehow copy list settings to another list?

2006-09-20 Thread James
I've setup a mailing list 1 just the way I like it. Can I somehow copy these
settings for all new lists that I create?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List My Other Subscriptions Not working

2006-09-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:47 AM -0700 9/20/06, Dave Troiano wrote:

  If the site's password is the same one you need to use
  when creating a new list, then I know that password.

You can use the site admin password to create lists, but IIRC there 
can also be a separate list creator password, at least in more recent 
versions of Mailman.  I have never personally seen a list creator 
password, I've always just used the main site admin password.

  The only interface I have to work with now is the web
  interface.

The kind of information you're asking for is not available via the 
web.  You have to log on and use the command-line tools, or get 
someone to do that for you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Fwd: archive emails are garbled]

2006-09-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:21 PM -0700 9/20/06, Justin Zygmont wrote:

  Thanks, I guess its just a matter of inserting the content-type header
  into the message then.  I created these messages with a script that
  saved its output to a file, then used:
  mailx -s subject [EMAIL PROTECTED] filename.html

If you build the message yourself, as opposed to using a MIME-aware 
MUA, then yes -- you will also need to build the necessary MIME 
headers and internal infrastructure.  However, this can be a complex 
subject, and I would recommend that you at least look into 
command-line utilities that can help make this process easier.

I can't think of the names of the toolkits off the top of my head, 
but you should be able to find them pretty easily with Google.


But do keep in mind that even command-line MUAs like mailx won't let 
you control your own headers.  If you want to control the headers, 
you will need to feed your formatted message directly to sendmail or 
some other comparable message submission agent.

When I've done that in the past, it's looked something like:

sendmail -t [EMAIL PROTECTED]  /path/to/message

  If only there is a command line mailer that will allow me to add the
  mime type header to the email, then that would allow the message to
  display correctly in both my email client, and the list archives.

I'd bet that mutt could do that, since it is the MUA that was 
originally written by the guy who also wrote the PGP/MIME RFC, so he 
clearly knows both his crypto/PGP stuff and his MIME stuff.

Note that mutt does give you some control over what goes in the 
headers, but mostly that's for putting in your own X- headers and 
not doing critical things like mucking about with the MIME structure 
of the message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Using the inject message command

2006-09-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 6:01 PM -0700 9/20/06, Jack Stone wrote:

   Try that with MM shows everything in the body, including the
  stuff meant for the header. Here's the template I used for
  majordomo. Perhaps anyone having used majordomo as well as
  MM will know of what I ask:

Don't use inject.  That's for Mailman to use internally to send out 
mail messages like password reminders, etc

Try formatting the message correctly (with all headers, etc...) and 
then submitting that via a proper command-line message submission 
agent, such as sendmail.  When I've done that in the past, it's 
looked something like:

sendmail -t [EMAIL PROTECTED]  /path/to/message

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