Re: From Horse Guards to Helmand
On 02/06/2011 06:49, Boris Liberman wrote: On 6/2/2011 02:45, Christine Aguila wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: RE: From Horse Guards to Helmand From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 21:28, Bob W wrote: The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ Thankfully neither him nor his wife sounded like this back in 2005. Otherwise I would have been in deep deep trouble. they must have been doing a Hyacinth Bucket for your benefit. Mind the pedestrian. Gives Bob and Christine the puzzledest of his puzzled looks... Boris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqc_BPXAsMfeature=related -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/2/2011 08:07, mike wilson wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKqc_BPXAsMfeature=related It is good though I wasn't drinking any coffee or tea. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/5/2011 21:28, Bob W wrote: One of the popular science programs here has a presenter that always raises his voice towards the end of the sentences. He sounds vaguely similar to this accent except that his is perfectly clear. Well, he's a popular science program presenter after all. Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. Neville Longbottom of Harry Potter movies talks like this, especially in the earlier movies of the series. I couldn't find a clip on YouTube though... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/5/2011 21:28, Bob W wrote: The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ Thankfully neither him nor his wife sounded like this back in 2005. Otherwise I would have been in deep deep trouble. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 21:28, Bob W wrote: The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ Thankfully neither him nor his wife sounded like this back in 2005. Otherwise I would have been in deep deep trouble. they must have been doing a Hyacinth Bucket for your benefit. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: RE: From Horse Guards to Helmand From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 21:28, Bob W wrote: The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ Thankfully neither him nor his wife sounded like this back in 2005. Otherwise I would have been in deep deep trouble. they must have been doing a Hyacinth Bucket for your benefit. Mind the pedestrian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6/2/2011 02:45, Christine Aguila wrote: - Original Message - From: Bob W p...@web-options.com To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: RE: From Horse Guards to Helmand From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 21:28, Bob W wrote: The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ Thankfully neither him nor his wife sounded like this back in 2005. Otherwise I would have been in deep deep trouble. they must have been doing a Hyacinth Bucket for your benefit. Mind the pedestrian. Gives Bob and Christine the puzzledest of his puzzled looks... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan My god man, you folks have to get some national TV announcers showing the rest of your countrymen how things are pronounced. I think the TV network news did a lot to standardize the desirable accent over here. What you've got would drive me batty! Regards, Bob S. when talkies were first shown over here they had to have subtitles because British people didn't understand the American accent. It's a matter of familiarity, and over here regional accents are very much in favour for TV announcers, national or not - it's cultural treasure. Variety is the spice of life. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:08 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 05/05/2011 20:28, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 16:55, mike wilson wrote: Southern Scotland. That's not bad for a native speaker to understand. Here's a selection of more extreme versions from the same area. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rab+c+nesbittaq=f Hmmm. I think you live relatively close to there, right (*)? Mike lives in the part of England that has probably the most impenetrable accent of all. People here like Scottish accents, although the chap in the BBC video has a rather difficult one - Glasgow, I think, like Rab C Nesbit. But people with Scottish accents are much sought after to work on telephone help desks. It's probably something to do with the way they pronounce See you, Jimmy. Also, I suppose you meant to say non-native speaker if you were referring to me. But I appreciate the slip of your tongue :-). Plenty of native English speakers struggle with some of the regional accents. Especially people from the South, but I was barred from a pub in Manchester once because the landlord didn't like my accent. One of the popular science programs here has a presenter that always raises his voice towards the end of the sentences. He sounds vaguely similar to this accent except that his is perfectly clear. Well, he's a popular science program presenter after all. Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ I actually live no more than ten miles away from there and the accent is this different: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world- map/england/sunderland-canny.mp3 A few miles further south and you get: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world- map/england/cockfield-fell.mp3 Whereas go the same distance west and: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world- map/england/whitfield-gan.mp3 The one from the north doesn't seem to be working: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world- map/england/england/holy-island-granda.mp3 There are people I know who claim to be able to place a person to the part of the village they were brought up in, by their accent. B Wondrous, wondrous indeed. (*) No hint, no pun, nothing, merely pointing out something that occurred to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: From Horse Guards to Helmand
On May 6, 2011, at 11:10 AM, William Robb wrote: On 05/05/2011 12:28 PM, Bob W wrote: Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. That seems to be happening here, with statements meant to be of fact issued like as if they are questions. My tendency when I run into this is to disagree on general principals. It drives them batty. Looks like I got here late. Yes it's very common in NZ and it drives me insane for that exact reason. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On May 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Brian Walters wrote: I thought this originated in Oz, but I'm more than happy to lay the blame on on the Kiwis. It's certainly been prevalent here for 20 years or more. Nah it must be an Australian thing? I've never noticed it? Dave? ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, 06 May 2011 18:57 +1200, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote: On May 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Brian Walters wrote: I thought this originated in Oz, but I'm more than happy to lay the blame on on the Kiwis. It's certainly been prevalent here for 20 years or more. Nah it must be an Australian thing? I've never noticed it? Dave? Har?? Cheers? Brian? ++ Brian Walters? Western Sydney Australia? http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/? ;) -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: From Horse Guards to Helmand
On Fri, 06 May 2011 07:45 +0100, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: when talkies were first shown over here they had to have subtitles because British people didn't understand the American accent. It's a matter of familiarity, and over here regional accents are very much in favour for TV announcers, national or not - it's cultural treasure. Variety is the spice of life. Yes Indeed. The Scots seem to be more prevalent as TV hosts than in the past. I'm enjoying the re-runs of the BBC's 'Coast' with Neil Oliver presenting. Of course, his accent isn't as thick as some Scots I've heard (and 'Coast' also features the delectable Alice Roberts - definitely a plus, even if she isn't Scottish!) Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: From Horse Guards to Helmand
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Brian Walters when talkies were first shown over here they had to have subtitles because British people didn't understand the American accent. It's a matter of familiarity, and over here regional accents are very much in favour for TV announcers, national or not - it's cultural treasure. Variety is the spice of life. Yes Indeed. The Scots seem to be more prevalent as TV hosts than in the past. I'm enjoying the re-runs of the BBC's 'Coast' with Neil Oliver presenting. his presentation style of talking over his shoulder annoy me. Of course, his accent isn't as thick as some Scots I've heard (and 'Coast' also features the delectable Alice Roberts - definitely a plus, even if she isn't Scottish!) Ah, now, the delectable Dr. Roberts. Lovely vowels. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 6 May 2011 18:58, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Ah, now, the delectable Dr. Roberts. Lovely vowels. So it's not just me, great package ;) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Many of my students us the trailing interrogative during presentations. I cure them of that quickly. Nothing says I'm insecure like constantly asking for approval. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 May 2011 18:58, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Ah, now, the delectable Dr. Roberts. Lovely vowels. So it's not just me, great package ;) -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/27/2011 01:28, Bob W wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B Bob, in that video there is a fellow who's explaining about the process of shining up the boots. What kind of accent is this? I could barely understand one fourth of what he was saying... Fascinating insight indeed. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 05/05/2011 15:06, Boris Liberman wrote: On 4/27/2011 01:28, Bob W wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B Bob, in that video there is a fellow who's explaining about the process of shining up the boots. What kind of accent is this? I could barely understand one fourth of what he was saying... Southern Scotland. That's not bad for a native speaker to understand. Here's a selection of more extreme versions from the same area. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rab+c+nesbittaq=f -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/5/2011 16:55, mike wilson wrote: Southern Scotland. That's not bad for a native speaker to understand. Here's a selection of more extreme versions from the same area. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rab+c+nesbittaq=f Hmmm. I think you live relatively close to there, right (*)? Also, I suppose you meant to say non-native speaker if you were referring to me. But I appreciate the slip of your tongue :-). One of the popular science programs here has a presenter that always raises his voice towards the end of the sentences. He sounds vaguely similar to this accent except that his is perfectly clear. Well, he's a popular science program presenter after all. Wondrous, wondrous indeed. (*) No hint, no pun, nothing, merely pointing out something that occurred to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 16:55, mike wilson wrote: Southern Scotland. That's not bad for a native speaker to understand. Here's a selection of more extreme versions from the same area. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rab+c+nesbittaq=f Hmmm. I think you live relatively close to there, right (*)? Mike lives in the part of England that has probably the most impenetrable accent of all. People here like Scottish accents, although the chap in the BBC video has a rather difficult one - Glasgow, I think, like Rab C Nesbit. But people with Scottish accents are much sought after to work on telephone help desks. It's probably something to do with the way they pronounce See you, Jimmy. Also, I suppose you meant to say non-native speaker if you were referring to me. But I appreciate the slip of your tongue :-). Plenty of native English speakers struggle with some of the regional accents. Especially people from the South, but I was barred from a pub in Manchester once because the landlord didn't like my accent. One of the popular science programs here has a presenter that always raises his voice towards the end of the sentences. He sounds vaguely similar to this accent except that his is perfectly clear. Well, he's a popular science program presenter after all. Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ B Wondrous, wondrous indeed. (*) No hint, no pun, nothing, merely pointing out something that occurred to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 05/05/2011 18:58, Boris Liberman wrote: On 5/5/2011 16:55, mike wilson wrote: Southern Scotland. That's not bad for a native speaker to understand. Here's a selection of more extreme versions from the same area. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rab+c+nesbittaq=f Hmmm. I think you live relatively close to there, right (*)? Also, I suppose you meant to say non-native speaker if you were referring to me. But I appreciate the slip of your tongue :-). No, I did mean native speaker. I can appreciate that it might be problematic for non-natives. Relatively is a relative term. About 150 miles from the really dense accents of that type. We have a few of our own around here. One of the popular science programs here has a presenter that always raises his voice towards the end of the sentences. He sounds vaguely similar to this accent except that his is perfectly clear. Well, he's a popular science program presenter after all. Wondrous, wondrous indeed. (*) No hint, no pun, nothing, merely pointing out something that occurred to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 05/05/2011 20:28, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 16:55, mike wilson wrote: Southern Scotland. That's not bad for a native speaker to understand. Here's a selection of more extreme versions from the same area. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rab+c+nesbittaq=f Hmmm. I think you live relatively close to there, right (*)? Mike lives in the part of England that has probably the most impenetrable accent of all. People here like Scottish accents, although the chap in the BBC video has a rather difficult one - Glasgow, I think, like Rab C Nesbit. But people with Scottish accents are much sought after to work on telephone help desks. It's probably something to do with the way they pronounce See you, Jimmy. Also, I suppose you meant to say non-native speaker if you were referring to me. But I appreciate the slip of your tongue :-). Plenty of native English speakers struggle with some of the regional accents. Especially people from the South, but I was barred from a pub in Manchester once because the landlord didn't like my accent. One of the popular science programs here has a presenter that always raises his voice towards the end of the sentences. He sounds vaguely similar to this accent except that his is perfectly clear. Well, he's a popular science program presenter after all. Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ I actually live no more than ten miles away from there and the accent is this different: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/sunderland-canny.mp3 A few miles further south and you get: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/cockfield-fell.mp3 Whereas go the same distance west and: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/whitfield-gan.mp3 The one from the north doesn't seem to be working: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/england/holy-island-granda.mp3 There are people I know who claim to be able to place a person to the part of the village they were brought up in, by their accent. B Wondrous, wondrous indeed. (*) No hint, no pun, nothing, merely pointing out something that occurred to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 05/05/2011 12:28 PM, Bob W wrote: Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. That seems to be happening here, with statements meant to be of fact issued like as if they are questions. My tendency when I run into this is to disagree on general principals. It drives them batty. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 05 May 2011 17:10 -0600, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/05/2011 12:28 PM, Bob W wrote: Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. That seems to be happening here, with statements meant to be of fact issued like as if they are questions. My tendency when I run into this is to disagree on general principals. It drives them batty. I thought this originated in Oz, but I'm more than happy to lay the blame on on the Kiwis. It's certainly been prevalent here for 20 years or more. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My god man, you folks have to get some national TV announcers showing the rest of your countrymen how things are pronounced. I think the TV network news did a lot to standardize the desirable accent over here. What you've got would drive me batty! Regards, Bob S. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:08 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: On 05/05/2011 20:28, Bob W wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Boris Liberman On 5/5/2011 16:55, mike wilson wrote: Southern Scotland. That's not bad for a native speaker to understand. Here's a selection of more extreme versions from the same area. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rab+c+nesbittaq=f Hmmm. I think you live relatively close to there, right (*)? Mike lives in the part of England that has probably the most impenetrable accent of all. People here like Scottish accents, although the chap in the BBC video has a rather difficult one - Glasgow, I think, like Rab C Nesbit. But people with Scottish accents are much sought after to work on telephone help desks. It's probably something to do with the way they pronounce See you, Jimmy. Also, I suppose you meant to say non-native speaker if you were referring to me. But I appreciate the slip of your tongue :-). Plenty of native English speakers struggle with some of the regional accents. Especially people from the South, but I was barred from a pub in Manchester once because the landlord didn't like my accent. One of the popular science programs here has a presenter that always raises his voice towards the end of the sentences. He sounds vaguely similar to this accent except that his is perfectly clear. Well, he's a popular science program presenter after all. Send a Youtube link if you can find one. It'd be interesting to hear. The rising intonation is a new thing to British English, having come here from New Zealand within the last 20 or so years, and is generally restricted to young women. Maybe your presenter is not British. The British Library has an interesting archive of regional accents. This is what Mike Wilson sounds like: http://www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/sounds/text-only/england/byker/ I actually live no more than ten miles away from there and the accent is this different: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/sunderland-canny.mp3 A few miles further south and you get: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/cockfield-fell.mp3 Whereas go the same distance west and: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/whitfield-gan.mp3 The one from the north doesn't seem to be working: http://www.bl.uk/learning/resources/sounds/mp3/world-map/england/england/holy-island-granda.mp3 There are people I know who claim to be able to place a person to the part of the village they were brought up in, by their accent. B Wondrous, wondrous indeed. (*) No hint, no pun, nothing, merely pointing out something that occurred to me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Boris Liberman On 4/27/2011 01:28, Bob W wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B Bob, in that video there is a fellow who's explaining about the process of shining up the boots. What kind of accent is this? I could barely understand one fourth of what he was saying... Fascinating insight indeed. Interesting, but the BOKEH in the out of focus parts of the images was really, really harsh. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan see what you started? Besides, it wasn't a post about the royal wedding, which bores me as much as it bores anyone, it was a post about an interesting photo essay, with a little personal historical note. Anyway, here's a suggestion. Why don't we start up a database about the subjects that each PDMLer doesn't want to appear on this list, along with the subjects that might tangentially remind them of those subjects? Igor or Doug will happily host it. Then, before posting anything to the list, each PDMLer checks all of the undesirable subjects in the database and deletes their draft post before sending it. Just to get things going, I'll start. Subject 1: anti-British snide. Subject 2: Ruthenian ancestry. Feel better? Bob On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My ancestors rejoiced in the smell of the Ruthenians' tents burning, and the sound of their women wailing. Just saying. -T On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan see what you started? Besides, it wasn't a post about the royal wedding, which bores me as much as it bores anyone, it was a post about an interesting photo essay, with a little personal historical note. Anyway, here's a suggestion. Why don't we start up a database about the subjects that each PDMLer doesn't want to appear on this list, along with the subjects that might tangentially remind them of those subjects? Igor or Doug will happily host it. Then, before posting anything to the list, each PDMLer checks all of the undesirable subjects in the database and deletes their draft post before sending it. Just to get things going, I'll start. Subject 1: anti-British snide. Subject 2: Ruthenian ancestry. Feel better? Bob On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:25 +0100, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan see what you started? Besides, it wasn't a post about the royal wedding, which bores me as much as it bores anyone, it was a post about an interesting photo essay, with a little personal historical note. Anyway, here's a suggestion. Why don't we start up a database about the subjects that each PDMLer doesn't want to appear on this list, along with the subjects that might tangentially remind them of those subjects? Igor or Doug will happily host it. Then, before posting anything to the list, each PDMLer checks all of the undesirable subjects in the database and deletes their draft post before sending it. Just to get things going, I'll start. Subject 1: anti-British snide. Subject 2: Ruthenian ancestry. Feel better? 3. Any posts dealing with how wonderful the K-5 is. (at least until I get one, at which time the embargo can be lifted...) Cheers Brian (who is not so much bored by the royal wedding but by the media frenzy accompanying it) ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Bob On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W, Are we getting a little testy today? You gotta chill out, it's only the internet! Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan see what you started? Besides, it wasn't a post about the royal wedding, which bores me as much as it bores anyone, it was a post about an interesting photo essay, with a little personal historical note. Anyway, here's a suggestion. Why don't we start up a database about the subjects that each PDMLer doesn't want to appear on this list, along with the subjects that might tangentially remind them of those subjects? Igor or Doug will happily host it. Then, before posting anything to the list, each PDMLer checks all of the undesirable subjects in the database and deletes their draft post before sending it. Just to get things going, I'll start. Subject 1: anti-British snide. Subject 2: Ruthenian ancestry. Feel better? Bob On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: You gotta chill out, it's only the internet! 4. The Internet -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:25 AM, Bob W wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan Why don't we start up a database about the subjects that each PDMLer doesn't want to appear on this list, along with the subjects that might tangentially remind them of those subjects? . . . Just to get things going, I'll start. Subject 1: anti-British snide. Subject 2: Ruthenian ancestry. Bob You mean no more links to sites like this? http://genealogypro.com/articles/Ruthenian-surnames.html stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I made a simple request. No one is bound to honor it. On the other hand, I'm sure no one, especially not the Brits on this lists, want to hear again my opinions on those who claim special status as royal or noble personages in general, or my opinions on what the Norman and German rulers of England have done to the world. Dan On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Apr 27, 2011, at 3:25 AM, Bob W wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan Why don't we start up a database about the subjects that each PDMLer doesn't want to appear on this list, along with the subjects that might tangentially remind them of those subjects? . . . Just to get things going, I'll start. Subject 1: anti-British snide. Subject 2: Ruthenian ancestry. Bob You mean no more links to sites like this? http://genealogypro.com/articles/Ruthenian-surnames.html stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: Can we instead discuss why somebody who one might have thought would have been a stickler for precise terminology chose to wrap the word royal in quotes? Good point. I don't give a toss about the royal wedding, but the misuse of quotation marks really bugs me. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Really bugs you? On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: John Francis wrote: Can we instead discuss why somebody who one might have thought would have been a stickler for precise terminology chose to wrap the word royal in quotes? Good point. I don't give a toss about the royal wedding, but the misuse of quotation marks really bugs me. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey, I'm the chillin'est dude in all Chillindom. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan Sent: 27 April 2011 12:42 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: From Horse Guards to Helmand Bob W, Are we getting a little testy today? You gotta chill out, it's only the internet! Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan see what you started? Besides, it wasn't a post about the royal wedding, which bores me as much as it bores anyone, it was a post about an interesting photo essay, with a little personal historical note. Anyway, here's a suggestion. Why don't we start up a database about the subjects that each PDMLer doesn't want to appear on this list, along with the subjects that might tangentially remind them of those subjects? Igor or Doug will happily host it. Then, before posting anything to the list, each PDMLer checks all of the undesirable subjects in the database and deletes their draft post before sending it. Just to get things going, I'll start. Subject 1: anti-British snide. Subject 2: Ruthenian ancestry. Feel better? Bob On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It was not a misuse of quotation marks. It was a subtle reminder that I refuse to accept pretensions that some people are better than others because of royal or noble lineage. Dan M On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: John Francis wrote: Can we instead discuss why somebody who one might have thought would have been a stickler for precise terminology chose to wrap the word royal in quotes? Good point. I don't give a toss about the royal wedding, but the misuse of quotation marks really bugs me. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Can we instead discuss why somebody who one might have thought would have been a stickler for precise terminology chose to wrap the word royal in quotes? Good point. I don't give a toss about the royal wedding, but the misuse of quotation marks really bugs me. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It was not a misuse of quotation marks. It was a subtle reminder that I refuse to accept pretensions that some people are better than others because of royal or noble lineage. Dan M they're not better than us because they're royal. They're royal because they're better than us. Or something like that. Or at least, they're royal because their ancestors were better at killing in large numbers than our ancestors. Or better at forging political alliances with other killers. Or better at some forms of political prestidigitation. And it's genetic. It must be because they're still doing it and we're still paying them, when we should have cut all their heads off centuries ago. No, wait. We did. And they're still there. And we're still paying them. They're royal because they're hydra-headed monsters from the planet Tralfamadore. And very much in love. So it goes. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Subtle? I think not! The Royals are a important part of the picture postcard trade, which directly supports photographers, who in turn support the photographic industry, including the Pentax portion of it. It's a delicate ecosystem, so don't knock 'em. -bmw On 11-04-27 2:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: It was not a misuse of quotation marks. It was a subtle reminder that I refuse to accept pretensions that some people are better than others because of royal or noble lineage. Dan M On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote: John Francis wrote: Can we instead discuss why somebody who one might have thought would have been a stickler for precise terminology chose to wrap the word royal in quotes? Good point. I don't give a toss about the royal wedding, but the misuse of quotation marks really bugs me. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/04/2011 10:06 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I made a simple request. No one is bound to honor it. On the other hand, I'm sure no one, especially not the Brits on this lists, want to hear again my opinions on those who claim special status as royal or noble personages in general, or my opinions on what the Norman and German rulers of England have done to the world. Probably as few as the number of Americans on the list want to hear my opinions about what the American rulers have done to the world since they picked up the ball from the real nobility and ran with it. Dan, if you want to look at who has really fucked things up, look in a mirror. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William, I don't want to get into that argument with you again, since it provokes you to profanity. You know how I feel about claims to royal status. Besides my general objections to the very concept of nobility, I am one of the few people on the planet who can actually be called a Certified Peasant (although I prefer serf). I was given my Peasant's Certificate on the stage of the Shubert Theater, on Easter Sunday, 2005 (also know as my Broadway review). The Certificate was presented to me by David Hyde Pierce, Hank Azaria, Tim Curry, Sara (Dr Torres) Ramirez, and the cast of Spamalot. Unlike certain high executives, it will not take two years to force me to produce the document. Here is photographic proof: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3243389 I am the one NOT pretending to be an English king or knight, and the certificate is in my hand. Dan On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:27 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/04/2011 10:06 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I made a simple request. No one is bound to honor it. On the other hand, I'm sure no one, especially not the Brits on this lists, want to hear again my opinions on those who claim special status as royal or noble personages in general, or my opinions on what the Norman and German rulers of England have done to the world. Probably as few as the number of Americans on the list want to hear my opinions about what the American rulers have done to the world since they picked up the ball from the real nobility and ran with it. Dan, if you want to look at who has really fucked things up, look in a mirror. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/04/2011 12:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: It was not a misuse of quotation marks. It was a subtle reminder that I refuse to accept pretensions that some people are better than others because of royal or noble lineage. We get it Dan. We get it every time the subject comes up. Why not just shut the fuck up and let it drop. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:29:57PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: William, I don't want to get into that argument with you again, since it provokes you to profanity. You know how I feel about claims to royal status. Tell you what, Dan - you stop posting your loony-tunes justification for your personal political opinions, and we'll stop talking about the Royal Wedding (which will probably be long past by the time this thread dies out, but then ...). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I did not start it, William. I merely requested that we avoid posts about THE wedding, and others responded with references to my Rusyn heritage and things I had previously said. I have not said anything today about the House of Windsor or its predessors, no about the role of the British Empire in world history. Nor have I addressed anyone with profanity. I will drop it if you will. Dan On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:30 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/04/2011 12:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: It was not a misuse of quotation marks. It was a subtle reminder that I refuse to accept pretensions that some people are better than others because of royal or noble lineage. We get it Dan. We get it every time the subject comes up. Why not just shut the fuck up and let it drop. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have offered no political opinions in this thread, and I do not intend to do so. BTW, I will not object to posts and images about THE wedding, as long as they are marked OT and the subject indicates that they are about the wedding. Please feel free to share your joy among yourselves. Dan On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 3:38 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:29:57PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: William, I don't want to get into that argument with you again, since it provokes you to profanity. You know how I feel about claims to royal status. Tell you what, Dan - you stop posting your loony-tunes justification for your personal political opinions, and we'll stop talking about the Royal Wedding (which will probably be long past by the time this thread dies out, but then ...). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27/04/2011 1:29 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: You know how I feel about claims to royal status. Yes, and expect to get sworn at by me every time you go off on another of your tiresome tirades about it Besides my general objections to the very concept of nobility, I am one of the few people on the planet who can actually be called a Certified Peasant (although I prefer serf). I was given my Peasant's Certificate on the stage of the Shubert Theater, on Easter Sunday, 2005 (also know as my Broadway review). The Certificate was presented to me by David Hyde Pierce, Hank Azaria, Tim Curry, Sara (Dr Torres) Ramirez, and the cast of Spamalot. Unlike certain high executives, it will not take two years to force me to produce the document. Here is photographic proof: How very pretentious of you to pretend to be something meaningless, and object when someone else happens to be something else that you find equally meaningless. We are not impressed -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola I did not start it, William. I merely requested that we avoid posts about THE wedding, and others responded with references to my Rusyn heritage and things I had previously said. I have not said anything today about the House of Windsor or its predessors, no about the role of the British Empire in world history. Nor have I addressed anyone with profanity. the references I made to your heritage and previous comments were intended to point out that as soon as people, in this case you, start calling for limits on what other people should or should not post to the list, they immediately open themselves up to similar calls from evreyone else. Your heritage and your views about the British are subjects close to your heart and I would never call on you to stfu about them because someone in turn would call on me to stfu about the garbage I post to the list. It's always a good idea to consider the motes in one's own eyes before pointing out the royal personnage's nakedness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it's all the Canadians fault. If they would have held the colonies together, they could have sent an army down to crush the American rebels. But nooo... Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:27 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/04/2011 10:06 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I made a simple request. No one is bound to honor it. On the other hand, I'm sure no one, especially not the Brits on this lists, want to hear again my opinions on those who claim special status as royal or noble personages in general, or my opinions on what the Norman and German rulers of England have done to the world. Probably as few as the number of Americans on the list want to hear my opinions about what the American rulers have done to the world since they picked up the ball from the real nobility and ran with it. Dan, if you want to look at who has really fucked things up, look in a mirror. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have no problem with just about anything being posted here, as long as it is marked OT and labeled so we can tell what it is about, and whether we want to read the thread. I don't want to read, for example, about Donald Trump and his claims about President Obama's birth certificate. I can't however prevent any member of this list from posting on that subject, if they insist. As long as it is marked OT and has a subject line that informs me what it is about, so I can ignore it, I can't stop him or her from doing it, and I wouldn't try to do so. As I said, those who are interested in THE wedding can share their joy, as long as it is in a properly label OT post, so those who want to can avoid the discussion Dan On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola I did not start it, William. I merely requested that we avoid posts about THE wedding, and others responded with references to my Rusyn heritage and things I had previously said. I have not said anything today about the House of Windsor or its predessors, no about the role of the British Empire in world history. Nor have I addressed anyone with profanity. the references I made to your heritage and previous comments were intended to point out that as soon as people, in this case you, start calling for limits on what other people should or should not post to the list, they immediately open themselves up to similar calls from evreyone else. Your heritage and your views about the British are subjects close to your heart and I would never call on you to stfu about them because someone in turn would call on me to stfu about the garbage I post to the list. It's always a good idea to consider the motes in one's own eyes before pointing out the royal personnage's nakedness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2011-04-27 13:29 , Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I was given my Peasant's Certificate on the stage of the Shubert Theater, on Easter Sunday, 2005 (also know as my Broadway review). The Certificate was presented to me by David Hyde Pierce, Hank Azaria, Tim Curry, Sara (Dr Torres) Ramirez, and the cast of Spamalot. Unlike certain high executives, it will not take two years to force me to produce the document. Here is photographic proof: when peasants point out the elite who certified their peasanthood i think of this essay which appeared in the Dec 2010 Harper's: http://leiterreports.typepad.com/files/raritan-essay.pdf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola I have no problem with just about anything being posted here, as long as it is marked OT and labeled so we can tell what it is about, and whether we want to read the thread. I don't want to read, for example, about Donald Trump and his claims about President Obama's birth certificate. I can't however prevent any member of this list from posting on that subject, if they insist. As long as it is marked OT and has a subject line that informs me what it is about, so I can ignore it, I can't stop him or her from doing it, and I wouldn't try to do so. As I said, those who are interested in THE wedding can share their joy, as long as it is in a properly label OT post, so those who want to can avoid the discussion that's all fine and dandy, Dan, but I posted a link to a photo essay about the Household Cavalry. It was not an OT post about the royal wedding. It was you who brought the royal wedding into it, as an opportunity to air your prejudices, and you now have the gall to lecture us about OT posts. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Actually Dan, you are confabulating two separate issues. Royal, as opposed to Royal or royal is the proper usage. Just as it is proper to call some people Sailors even if they have never been on a sailboat in their life. These are just labels that are in common usage to distinguish certain people. You are the one who is adding value judgments, assuming that if they are royal, then they must be better than others. For me, I don't assume sailors know how to sail, that royals are any different than any other privileged minority, or that people with more expensive cameras are somehow better photographers. YMMV, but I find life to be much less contentious if I treat people according to who they are rather than what they are labeled. stan On Apr 27, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: It was not a misuse of quotation marks. It was a subtle reminder that I refuse to accept pretensions that some people are better than others because of royal or noble lineage. Dan M On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: John Francis wrote: Can we instead discuss why somebody who one might have thought would have been a stickler for precise terminology chose to wrap the word royal in quotes? Good point. I don't give a toss about the royal wedding, but the misuse of quotation marks really bugs me. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Dan On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Quite an interesting photo essay with sound on the BBC website about the Household Cavalry, who will be strutting their stuff on Friday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13192038 My father (RAF) marched in the Coronation parade in 1952, and spent the night in the police cells sobering up - so many people bought him drinks afterwards while he was still in uniform. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27 April 2011 10:13, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. I wouldn't, I prefer to be able to make the choice to view posts or not. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/04/2011 6:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Sometimes life just sucks, doesn't it Dan. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have to watch. We have a pool on color schemes at the chemistry department. I have $20 on Sea Foam. -Original Message- From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:01:17 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: From Horse Guards to Helmand On 26/04/2011 6:13 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. Sometimes life just sucks, doesn't it Dan. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:28:11AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: On 27 April 2011 10:13, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I would appreciate it very much if we could avoid posts about the royal wedding. I wouldn't, I prefer to be able to make the choice to view posts or not. Can we instead discuss why somebody who one might have thought would have been a stickler for precise terminology chose to wrap the word royal in quotes? It is, indubitably, a royal wedding. Just because somebody isn't part of _your_ royal family (should you have one) doesn't make him less royal. And whether or not you believe a royal family _should_ exist, it's hard to argue that in fact they (and their ranks and titles) don't exist. Personally I'll be only too happy when Saturday rolls round, and (most of) the world resumes some semblance of normal life. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 26/04/2011 6:28 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I wouldn't, I prefer to be able to make the choice to view posts or not. I'm actually quite excited for these two kids. I might very well get up at 4:00 AM just to watch the ceremony. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 27 April 2011 12:08, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/2011 6:28 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I wouldn't, I prefer to be able to make the choice to view posts or not. I'm actually quite excited for these two kids. I might very well get up at 4:00 AM just to watch the ceremony. Preview? ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kav0FEhtLugfeature=player_embedded -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Our entire household will be watching. Meg's Dad, who passed away a year ago, was born in Cornwall. His family maintained contact with the relatives back home throughout his life. He would have been watching, if only to grumble a bit about the excesses. We'll honor his memory and heritage with a small watch-party. stan On Apr 26, 2011, at 10:08 PM, William Robb wrote: On 26/04/2011 6:28 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I wouldn't, I prefer to be able to make the choice to view posts or not. I'm actually quite excited for these two kids. I might very well get up at 4:00 AM just to watch the ceremony. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
