Re: PESO Poke stack

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:30 PM, John  wrote:

> Think pickled bait.


But delicious pickled bait.

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[John]

On 1/16/2017 10:28 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Brian Walters wrote:

OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?


Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche.




OK - I'm not going to ask  :-)>


Cheers

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Charles Robinson]

Boo.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:06 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:

>
>
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
>> I buy Costco poke too. I usually manage to get it home. It's like a mini
>> Hawaiian vacation. :-)
>>
>
> I've been thinking of getting some mango to go with it.  I hear that poke'
> mango was very popular a couple of months ago.
>
>
>
>> Paul via phone
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Walters wrote:
>>>
 OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?

>>> Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche.
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RE: PESO Poke stack

[John Coyle]

There's a "St. Baxter" (not sure if it's a chain) near me which claims to be 
Californian cuisine:
having been in southern California recently, we're keen to try it.


John in Brisbane



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Subject: Re: PESO Poke stack

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/16/2017 10:29 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters 
> >> <supera1...@fastmail.fm>
> >> wrote:
> >> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?
> >> It's Poke, not a poke:
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad)
> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4
> >> b0613b512b1bfd 
> >> http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaii
> >> an.html
> >>
> >>
> >> "Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that 
> >> looks quite like that in Larry's photo.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> Brian - it is designer food...  Poke is beciming a "thing" in NY, at 
> least in my neighborhood... a restaurant devoted to it opened near 
> Union Square and is heavily attended by millenials



Interesting.  With Australia's multicultural population, we have a wide range 
of cuisines (much
different to when I was growing up when Chinese was about the only option when 
dining out).
However, we do seem to be lacking in North American options.  I found a Creole 
place once, which
didn't last long, and there are a few lame Tex-Mex establishments but I've 
never seen Hawaiian, for
example.  A niche waiting to be filled?



Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:39 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/16/2017 10:29 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters 
> >> wrote:
> >> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?
> >> It's Poke, not a poke:
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad)
> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd
> >> http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html
> >>
> >>
> >> "Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that looks
> >> quite like that in Larry's photo.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> Brian - it is designer food...  Poke is beciming a "thing" in NY, at 
> least in my neighborhood... a restaurant devoted to it opened near Union 
> Square and is
> heavily attended by millenials



Interesting.  With Australia's multicultural population, we have a wide
range of cuisines (much different to when I was growing up when Chinese
was about the only option when dining out).  However, we do seem to be
lacking in North American options.  I found a Creole place once, which
didn't last long, and there are a few lame Tex-Mex establishments but
I've never seen Hawaiian, for example.  A niche waiting to be filled?



Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Larry Colen]

Paul Stenquist wrote:

I buy Costco poke too. I usually manage to get it home. It's like a mini 
Hawaiian vacation. :-)


I've been thinking of getting some mango to go with it.  I hear that 
poke' mango was very popular a couple of months ago.




Paul via phone


On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:



Brian Walters wrote:

OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?

Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche.


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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Paul Stenquist]

I buy Costco poke too. I usually manage to get it home. It's like a mini 
Hawaiian vacation. :-)

Paul via phone

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:16 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Walters wrote:
>> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?
> 
> Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche.
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Re: PESO Poke stack

[ann sanfedele]

On 1/16/2017 10:29 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:
OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?
It's Poke, not a poke:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd
http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html


"Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that looks
quite like that in Larry's photo.

Cheers

Brian

Brian - it is designer food...  Poke is beciming a "thing" in NY, at 
least in my neighborhood... a restaurant devoted to it opened near Union 
Square and is

heavily attended by millenials

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 02:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
> 
> > OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?
> 
> 
> It's Poke, not a poke:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd
> http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html
> 


"Fish Salad" I understand but I've never before seen a salad that looks
quite like that in Larry's photo.



Cheers

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Brian Walters]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Brian Walters wrote:
> > OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?
> 
> Basically the Hawaiian word for ceviche.
> 


OK - I'm not going to ask  :-)>


Cheers

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:

> OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?


It's Poke, not a poke:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poke_(fish_salad)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poke-bowl-recipes_us_5743abb0e4b0613b512b1bfd
http://www.seriouseats.com/2016/06/how-to-make-ahi-tuna-poke-hawaiian.html

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Certainly looks authentic.


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On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

>
>
> Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> How did you like the poke?   It looks great.   Poke is my favorite
>> Hawaiian
>> dish, followed by seared Ahi.  Kahlua pork not so much.
>>
>
> It was pretty good.
> www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/
> It was their spicy mauna loa poke stack
> http://www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/site/?p=829
>
>
>> I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday.  Every supermarket and fish
>> store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every
>> time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke."
>>   It is a true Hawaiian delicacy.
>>
>
> One of my guilty pleasures is to pick up a thing of fresh poke at Costco,
> and basically snarf the whole thing in the parking lot.
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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Larry Colen]

Brian Walters wrote:

OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?


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Re: PESO Poke stack

[P. J. Alling]

Wait here while I find a sharp stick, and I'll show you...


On 1/16/2017 6:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?


Cheers

Brian


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 09:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

How did you like the poke?   It looks great.   Poke is my favorite
Hawaiian
dish, followed by seared Ahi.  Kahlua pork not so much.

I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday.  Every supermarket and fish
store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every
time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y
poke."
  It is a true Hawaiian delicacy.

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On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill.
One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack,
which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with
kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I
was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-
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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Jostein]

It used to be something on facebook.
Jostein

Den 17.01.2017 00.50, skrev Brian Walters:

OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?


Cheers

Brian


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 09:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

How did you like the poke?   It looks great.   Poke is my favorite
Hawaiian
dish, followed by seared Ahi.  Kahlua pork not so much.

I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday.  Every supermarket and fish
store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every
time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y
poke."
 It is a true Hawaiian delicacy.

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On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:


Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill.
One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack,
which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with
kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I
was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-
72157677237858762/

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Brian Walters]

OK - I've got to ask. What on earth is 'poke'?


Cheers

Brian


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017, at 09:15 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> How did you like the poke?   It looks great.   Poke is my favorite
> Hawaiian
> dish, followed by seared Ahi.  Kahlua pork not so much.
> 
> I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday.  Every supermarket and fish
> store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every
> time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y
> poke."
>  It is a true Hawaiian delicacy.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> > Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill.
> > One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack,
> > which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with
> > kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I
> > was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-
> > 72157677237858762/
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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Larry Colen]

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

How did you like the poke?   It looks great.   Poke is my favorite Hawaiian
dish, followed by seared Ahi.  Kahlua pork not so much.


It was pretty good.
www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/
It was their spicy mauna loa poke stack
http://www.ponohawaiiangrill.com/site/?p=829



I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday.  Every supermarket and fish
store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every
time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke."
  It is a true Hawaiian delicacy.


One of my guilty pleasures is to pick up a thing of fresh poke at 
Costco, and basically snarf the whole thing in the parking lot.


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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Daniel J. Matyola]

How did you like the poke?   It looks great.   Poke is my favorite Hawaiian
dish, followed by seared Ahi.  Kahlua pork not so much.

I am on Maui now, and had poke on Saturday.  Every supermarket and fish
store advertises "Poke made fresh Daily," and the TV anchors whine every
time there is a story about mercury in tuna, "But I can't give up y poke."
 It is a true Hawaiian delicacy.

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> Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill.
> One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack,
> which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with
> kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I
> was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-
> 72157677237858762/
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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Steve Cottrell]

On 16/1/17, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Jeez Larry, when hipsters instagram their lunch, they usually use a cell 
>phone.  Isn't a K-1 a bit of overkill?

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[John]

The same thing actually. That pig in a poke often turned out to be a cat
once you did let it out of the bag.

On 1/16/2017 1:44 PM, Jostein wrote:

In Norwegian, that expression involves cats rather than pigs.
Guess the chef would have been sacked to put that on the menu.
Jostein

Den 16.01.2017 17.41, skrev Larry Colen:

Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill.
One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack,
which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came
with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the
side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Larry Colen]

Now you've let the cat out of the bag.

On January 16, 2017 10:44:15 AM PST, Jostein  wrote:
>In Norwegian, that expression involves cats rather than pigs.
>Guess the chef would have been sacked to put that on the menu.
>Jostein
>
>Den 16.01.2017 17.41, skrev Larry Colen:
>> Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono
>grill.
>> One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke'
>stack,
>> which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came
>> with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the
>> side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.
>>
>>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/32228417631/in/album-72157677237858762/
>>
>>

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Jostein]

In Norwegian, that expression involves cats rather than pigs.
Guess the chef would have been sacked to put that on the menu.
Jostein

Den 16.01.2017 17.41, skrev Larry Colen:

Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill.
One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack,
which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came
with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the
side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[P. J. Alling]

Jeez Larry, when hipsters instagram their lunch, they usually use a cell 
phone.  Isn't a K-1 a bit of overkill?


That pun is just waffle.


On 1/16/2017 11:41 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono 
grill. One of the items on their menu was something they called a 
poke' stack, which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks 
more, it came with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the 
pork was on the side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig 
in poke'.


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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Alan C]

I could say something but I won't.

Alan C

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Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill.
One of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack,
which looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came
with kahlua pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the
side so I was not, as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.

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Re: PESO Poke stack

[Jack Davis]

Oooo!!!

J

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> On Jan 16, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Last night, I had dinner at a Hawaiian restaurant called the Pono grill. One 
> of the items on their menu was something they called a poke' stack, which 
> looked interesting. I saw that for a couple bucks more, it came with kahlua 
> pork. When it came, it turns out that the pork was on the side so I was not, 
> as it turned out, able to buy pig in poke'.
> 
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Re: PESO: Poke

[knarf]

I had a friend named Tofu. He was vegan. 

Now he's moved over to the dark side and no longer accepts the moniker. 

Cheers,

frank

On November 2, 2015 12:32:19 PM EST, Bill  wrote:
>On 11/2/2015 10:13 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>>
>>
>> Speaking about "organic" bananas,
>> https://goo.gl/2D8Zdk
>>
>> (And you might enjoy the entire video clip from the beginning.)
>
>Tofu dogs are people.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Igor PDML-StR]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:


No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn


But some were forced:
http://backstoryradio.org/2013/10/06/corn-diplomacy-and-the-cold-war/

But then that's what politicians do: HFCS, methanol-added gas..


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Speaking about "organic" bananas,
https://goo.gl/2D8Zdk

(And you might enjoy the entire video clip from the beginning.)

Igor

Daniel J. Matyola Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:09:41 -0700 wrote:

We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket.  I almost made a
mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones.
Luckily, I realized the mistake in time.

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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 11/2/2015 10:13 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Speaking about "organic" bananas,
https://goo.gl/2D8Zdk

(And you might enjoy the entire video clip from the beginning.)


Tofu dogs are people.

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Re: PESO: Poke

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015, at 18:18, John wrote:
> Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I
> mean other than the cost?

organic bananas are often a bit smaller and sometimes they ripen
differently (they can brown more before becoming overripe); i like them
because of how they are produced, not in monoculture, exposing workers
and land to fewer toxins; organic bananas aren't much more expensive
than conventional because it's expensive to chemically control the
diseases monoculture has encouraged

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Re: PESO: Poke

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On Oct 31, 2015, at 5:14 PM, knarf  wrote:

> Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It 
> can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the 
> entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher 
> moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where 
> fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls."

One of the places I go past on my regular rides often has a big silage pile 
fermenting away close to the road, but it's not sealed very well (maybe it's 
ripe stuff waiting for use).  It stinks something nasty.  I don't know how the 
cows eat the stuff.  Probably the same way that cats will happily eat cat food.

Cows here in NZ eat grass, supplemented with other foods as needed.  The dairy 
industry makes huge amounts of money by exporting to China but it comes at an 
environmental cost, both from leaching nutrients and effluent.

While the ruminants are treated fairly well here I can't say the same for pigs 
or chickens.  It's a pain buying free-range eggs as its legal definition, if 
there even is one, is so watered-down as to be almost meaningless.  The 
suppliers love playing the "out of sight, out of mind" game.  If we knew more 
about where our food came from we might be more selective.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

Geez, I never said that Maize, (because corn is ambiguous), wasn't a 
decent food, I like Maize, but it's pretty much the worst original 
choice for a grain crop, and would never have been domesticated if the 
natives of the Americas had a better choice.


It has a lot of advantages, /today/, after a couple of centuries of 
selective breeding, and decades of scientific selective breeding, but 
it's early disadvantages outweighed those advantages.  Now It's actually 
easy to grow,(it wasn't always), and it can double as a vegetable.  The 
kernels store a lot of energy either as starch or sugar.  Yes, all 
that's true. But it also puts a lot of energy into a) (for humans at 
least), a large indigestible cob, and b) it is distinctly lacking in 
protein compared to wheat, rye, and a other old world grain crops.


That modern Maize is also used as a vegetable, (many of which are 
actually fruits, take the tomato for example), adds to it's versatility, 
but, it falls short of those in vitamins and minerals.  I never said 
that corn was bad, just that given a choice the Indians would have 
chosen something else.


Frank is right Corn is primary used in cattle feed to fatten Beef for 
market quickly, unlike him I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing.


Any vet will tell you not to feed your pet a food with too much Maize 
product.  Maize is a treat,


Any individual or civilization who is forced to rely almost entirely on 
Maize as a diet staple is at a disadvantage.


On 10/31/2015 10:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice=90
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf  wrote:

According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:

"Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch 
(carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, 
sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and fiber 
milling processes.  These are referred to as the concentrate portion of the ration.

Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can 
account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the entire 
plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher moisture, then 
stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and 
breaks down the plant cell walls."

That's for beef cattle, anyway.

And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
one.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[knarf]

I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a predominant 
component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of years to eat 
grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly high energy 
content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter.

But the bovine digestive system isn't designed to consume that much corn. It 
leads to bloating and nearly constant low-grade infection such that 
prophylactic antibiotics are routinely added to their feed. 

I'm not saying that corn is bad, I'm saying it shouldn't be fed to cattle in 
the quantities we see nowadays. 

Cheers,

frank



On October 31, 2015 10:43:35 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html
>http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice=90
>http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2
>Dan Matyola
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>
>
>On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf 
>wrote:
>> According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:
>>
>> "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of
>starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include
>oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of
>numerous grain and fiber milling processes.  These are referred to as
>the concentrate portion of the ration.
>>
>> Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be
>used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the
>diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an
>earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic
>environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down
>the plant cell walls."
>>
>> That's for beef cattle, anyway.
>>
>> And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> frank
>>
>> On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"
> wrote:
>>
>>>Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
>>>nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
>>>lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
>>>grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and
>the
>>>only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
>>>one.
>>
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Re: PESO: Poke

[Larry Colen]

knarf wrote:

I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a predominant 
component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of years to eat 
grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly high energy 
content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter.


In much the same way that humans evolved over millions of years to eat a 
diverse diet that includes vegetables, fruits and meat.


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[knarf]

No, not in the same way at all.

We're omnivores but that doesn't mean we ~have~ to eat meat. 

We evolved so when plant-based food was scarce we had the option of eating 
animals. There is some evidence (admittedly disputed) that many prehistoric 
tribes existed on an almost completely plant-based diet, rarely eating meat 
except as a last resort.

Cows and other ruminants, on the other hand eat only one thing in nature: grass.

Cheers,

frank

On October 31, 2015 4:09:51 PM EDT, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
>knarf wrote:
>> I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a
>predominant component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions
>of years to eat grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its
>incredibly high energy content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for
>slaughter.
>
>In much the same way that humans evolved over millions of years to eat
>a 
>diverse diet that includes vegetables, fruits and meat.
>
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[Bob W-PDML]

On 31 Oct 2015, at 20:10, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> knarf wrote:
>> I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a 
>> predominant component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of 
>> years to eat grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly 
>> high energy content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter.
> 
> In much the same way that humans evolved over millions of years to eat a 
> diverse diet that includes vegetables, fruits and meat.
> 
> :-)

I don't think anyone denies that, but it doesn't stand as an argument for or 
against eating meat, or nuts or berries or tubers or any particular food, or 
against somebody making an ethical choice against eating animals, or indeed 
exploiting them in other ways. One of the ways in which we differ from cattle 
and many other animals is that we can make these choices and live by them. 

I think it's unlikely that any cow, however gifted in ethics, could choose to 
be a carnivore, any more than she could choose an exclusive diet of brazil 
nuts, as she'd be at a distinct disadvantage in a hunt, and might struggle to 
bring down even a sheep, let alone a zebra or wildebeest, and would have a 
difficult time chewing one even if she did.

Even apart from that, the argument that we evolved as omnivores doesn't take 
into account that meat for most of our time and for most people was a very rare 
meal and contributed very little to daily survival and health. The amount we 
eat nowadays is far more than we evolved to eat and is partly responsible for 
our bad health.

And then of course there's the unnatural and cruel conditions in which we keep 
and feed most farm animals compared to the way the animals lived before 
industrialised agriculture. Even the most avid meat-eater should have some 
reaction against that if they're any kind of decent human, and if it's only 
because they value quality and flavour should insist on meat from animals that 
are raised without cruelty and fed a natural diet.

B
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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket.  I almost made a
mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones.
Luckily, I realized the mistake in time.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:03 AM, knarf  wrote:
> I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion of corn as a predominant 
> component in cattle feed. Cattle have evolved over millions of years to eat 
> grass. Corn is fed to them at feedlots because its incredibly high energy 
> content bulks them up quickly and cheaply for slaughter.
>
> But the bovine digestive system isn't designed to consume that much corn. It 
> leads to bloating and nearly constant low-grade infection such that 
> prophylactic antibiotics are routinely added to their feed.
>
> I'm not saying that corn is bad, I'm saying it shouldn't be fed to cattle in 
> the quantities we see nowadays.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
>
>
> On October 31, 2015 10:43:35 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>  wrote:
>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html
>>http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice=90
>>http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2
>>Dan Matyola
>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf 
>>wrote:
>>> According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:
>>>
>>> "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of
>>starch (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include
>>oats, barley, sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of
>>numerous grain and fiber milling processes.  These are referred to as
>>the concentrate portion of the ration.
>>>
>>> Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be
>>used. It can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the
>>diet. Silage is the entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an
>>earlier stage with higher moisture, then stored in an anaerobic
>>environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and breaks down
>>the plant cell walls."
>>>
>>> That's for beef cattle, anyway.
>>>
>>> And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>> On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"
>> wrote:
>>>
Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and
>>the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
one.
>>>
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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/26/corn-health-myths-nutrition_n_5591977.html
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice=90
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5687/2
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On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:14 AM, knarf  wrote:
> According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:
>
> "Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch 
> (carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, 
> sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and 
> fiber milling processes.  These are referred to as the concentrate portion of 
> the ration.
>
> Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It 
> can account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the 
> entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher 
> moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where 
> fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls."
>
> That's for beef cattle, anyway.
>
> And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling" 
>  wrote:
>
>>Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
>>nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
>>lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
>>grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
>>only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
>>one.
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Re: PESO: Poke

[John]

Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I
mean other than the cost?

On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket.  I almost made a
mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones.
Luckily, I realized the mistake in time.

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[knarf]

Around these parts organic bananas aren't much more than regular ones. Once in 
a while I'll buy organic. 

The flesh has a different consistency. Hard to express but it's a bit creamier 
feeling. And they taste pretty good; again I don't really have the vocabulary 
to properly describe it.

Or maybe it's my imagination, any differences, if any, are subtle.

Cheers,

frank

On October 31, 2015 8:18:26 PM EDT, John  wrote:
>Is there any difference between "organic" bananas & the regular ones? I
>mean other than the cost?
>
>On 10/31/2015 1:08 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> We just returned from Wegman's our local supermarket.  I almost made
>a
>> mistake and purchased "organic" bananas instead of the regular ones.
>> Luckily, I realized the mistake in time.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>>

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Bill]

On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I
can barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that
cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and
lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead
animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and
loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by
eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill 
wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one.

My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got 
their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in 
favor of volume growth.
Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because 
the butter at least has some calcium in it.



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Re: PESO: Poke

[Bob W-PDML]

Everything we think we know is just a sea urchin dreaming.

B

> On 30 Oct 2015, at 12:53, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
> sentient being since it's an animal. 
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
>> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
>>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend 
>>> or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
>>> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>>> 
>>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>>> 
>>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
>>> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates 
>>> are pretty much off limits, too.
>>> 
>>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must 
>>> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially 
>>> advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, 
>>> fish or anything else that feels pain?
>>> 
>>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in 
>>> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to 
>>> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, 
>>> at least for me.
>>> 
>>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
 On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
  wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
 wrote:
> Nice photo anyway.
 
 Thanks, Frank.
 
 I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
 don't need my understanding or approval.
 At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
>>> 

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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

On 10/30/2015 4:29 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:04, P.J. Alling  wrote:

On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:


On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
Nice photo anyway.

Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. 

Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.

Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm 
animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.

That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well.

Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is physically 
imposable, no matter how you slice it.


It ends with mad cow disease

B

Only if the Prions exist in the cows brains to begin with.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

I didn't say it was natural, I said there was a lot of soy used.  Even 
herbivores need amino acids to build proteins, more building blocks make 
for faster growth.


On 10/31/2015 12:14 AM, knarf wrote:

According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:

"Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch 
(carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, 
sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and fiber 
milling processes.  These are referred to as the concentrate portion of the ration.

Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can 
account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the entire 
plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher moisture, then 
stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where fermentation occurs and 
breaks down the plant cell walls."

That's for beef cattle, anyway.

And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant.

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
one.



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Re: PESO: Poke

[knarf]

According to a Young Cattleman on an agriculture propaganda site:

"Corn is the predominant grain used because it is a great source of starch 
(carbohydrates) utilized for energy. Other grains used include oats, barley, 
sorghum, distillers (brewers) grains, and by-products of numerous grain and 
fiber milling processes.  These are referred to as the concentrate portion of 
the ration.

Corn or wheat silage is a very common feed ration ingredient to be used. It can 
account for the forage and concentrate portion of the diet. Silage is the 
entire plant (seed and stalk), harvested in an earlier stage with higher 
moisture, then stored in an anaerobic environment (without oxygen) where 
fermentation occurs and breaks down the plant cell walls."

That's for beef cattle, anyway. 

And even if there were soy, it's hardly natural for ruminant. 

Cheers,

frank

On October 30, 2015 3:10:27 PM EDT, "P.J. Alling"  
wrote:

>Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough 
>nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was 
>lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable 
>grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the 
>only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't
>one.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

On 10/30/2015 7:33 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/30/2015 1:10 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I
can barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that
cows, pigs and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and
lentils, root vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead
animal stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and
loads of antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by
eating so much corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill 
wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't 
one.


My understanding was the corn was just fine until European farmers got 
their hands on the stuff and removed all of it's nutritional value in 
favor of volume growth.
Now, the only nutrition corn has is if you eat corn on the cob because 
the butter at least has some calcium in it.



No even the native Maize is poor nutrition, in comparison to just about 
every other grass crop.  Living in New England we actually have a few 
small farmers growing legacy corn and it doesn't have a lot more 
vitamins and protein than the yellow stuff you buy in the supermarket.  
Just a lot less sugar.


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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

"How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>
> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>
> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are 
> pretty much off limits, too.
>
> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be 
> equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced 
> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or 
> anything else that feels pain?
>
> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some 
> cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of 
> all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for 
> me.
>
> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>  wrote:
>>On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
>>wrote:
>>> Nice photo anyway.
>>
>>Thanks, Frank.
>>
>>I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>>don't need my understanding or approval.
>>At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
>>
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>>http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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[Paul Stenquist]

When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
sentient being since it's an animal. 

Paul via phone

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
>> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
>> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>> 
>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>> 
>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
>> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are 
>> pretty much off limits, too.
>> 
>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must 
>> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced 
>> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or 
>> anything else that feels pain?
>> 
>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in 
>> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to 
>> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, 
>> at least for me.
>> 
>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
>>> wrote:
 Nice photo anyway.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Frank.
>>> 
>>> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>>> don't need my understanding or approval.
>>> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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[Jack Davis]

They may then be trumped by a vegan. :0)

J

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> On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
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>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
>> explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
>> exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>> 
>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>> 
>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, 
>> dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are 
>> pretty much off limits, too.
>> 
>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must 
>> be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced 
>> animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or 
>> anything else that feels pain?
>> 
>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in 
>> some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to 
>> animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, 
>> at least for me.
>> 
>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
>>> wrote:
 Nice photo anyway.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Frank.
>>> 
>>> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>>> don't need my understanding or approval.
>>> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
> sentient being since it's an animal.

I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows?

Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch,
light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body
of sea urchins might function as a compound eye.

Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers
and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle
stars, and crinoids.  So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins).

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[knarf]

Sentience is the ability to perceive or feel, not to think. 

>From Wikipedia:

"Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively.[1] 
Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to 
think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience). In modern Western 
philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations (known in 
philosophy of mind as "qualia"). In Eastern philosophy, sentience is a 
metaphysical quality of all things that requires respect and care. The concept 
is central to the philosophy of animal rights, because sentience is necessary 
for the ability to suffer, and thus is held to confer certain rights."

By any definition I'm aware of, sea urchins are sentient.

Cheers,

frank 

On October 30, 2015 8:52:23 AM EDT, Paul Stenquist  
wrote:
>When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it
>must be a sentient being since it's an animal. 
>
>Paul via phone
>
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>wrote:
>> 
>> "How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
>> You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf 
>wrote:
>>> Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to
>defend or explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating
>cruelty and exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.
>>> 
>>> I guess it's about where you draw the line.
>>> 
>>> No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating
>cats, dogs or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other
>primates are pretty much off limits, too.
>>> 
>>> I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel,
>it must be equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent,
>socially advanced animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say
>yes for cows, fish or anything else that feels pain?
>>> 
>>> So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred
>line in some cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants
>and no to animals of all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy
>to understand, at least for me.
>>> 
>>> There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for
>now.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
 On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"
> wrote:
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
 wrote:
> Nice photo anyway.
 
 Thanks, Frank.
 
 I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
 don't need my understanding or approval.
 At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
 
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Re: PESO: Poke

[knarf]

"So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
fair game for us..."

I hope your not really saying that's your test, Dan. That sure opens the door 
to eating lots of different animals.

Obviously you have other criteria as well; cows, after all are vegetarian.

Cheers,

frank 

On October 30, 2015 9:13:40 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
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>On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist
> wrote:
>> When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it
>must be a sentient being since it's an animal.
>
>I don't think that a sea urchin is capable of thought, but who knows?
>
>Sea urchins have no true brain, but they are sensitive to touch,
>light, and chemicals. Although they do not have eyes, the entire body
>of sea urchins might function as a compound eye.
>
>Sea urchins feed mainly on algae, but can also feed on sea cucumbers
>and a wide range of invertebrates, such as mussels, sponges, brittle
>stars, and crinoids.  So, they eat other animal life, and thus are
>fair game for us (and for sea otters, who love urchins).
>
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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:



On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  
wrote:

Nice photo anyway.


Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. 


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.


Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding 
farm animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.


That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well.


Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is 
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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 10/30/2015 12:10 AM, knarf wrote:

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can 
barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs 
and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root 
vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal 
stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of 
antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much 
corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill  wrote:


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.


Soybeans is a large part of animal feed, corn hardly has enough 
nourishment.  One of the problems of the native American cultures was 
lack of large domesticable  animals, and suitable easily domesticable 
grasses.  No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn, and the 
only tractable large ruminant in the Americas was, well there wasn't one.


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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

Deep Sea Urchin Thoughts...

On 10/30/2015 8:52 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

When a sea urchin thinks what does it think about? I assume that it must be a 
sentient being since it's an animal.

Paul via phone


On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

"How can you tell is a person is a vegetarian?
You don't have to.  They will be sure to tell you."

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:22 AM, knarf  wrote:
Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.

I guess it's about where you draw the line.

No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, dogs 
or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are pretty 
much off limits, too.

I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be equally 
cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced animal like a pig. If 
"no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or anything else that feels 
pain?

So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some 
cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of 
all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for 
me.

There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.

Cheers,

frank


On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
wrote:

Nice photo anyway.

Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Bob W-PDML]

On 30 Oct 2015, at 19:04, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/29/2015 8:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:
 
>> On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
>> Nice photo anyway.
> 
> Thanks, Frank.
> 
> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
> don't need my understanding or approval.
> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit. 
 
 Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
>>> 
>>> Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm 
>>> animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.
>> 
>> That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well.
> 
> Actually that sounds like a perpetual motion machine, which is physically 
> imposable, no matter how you slice it.
> 

It ends with mad cow disease

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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 10/29/2015 7:41 PM, Bill wrote:

On 10/29/2015 6:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell 
wrote:

In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just
about] anything once".


As the descendant of Eastern European peasants, I'll eat just about
anything that is place before me.  
As I said above, I tried sea urchin sashimi a few weeks ago, and I
finished it, although neither the texture nor the flavor really
appealed to me.  Perhaps it is an acquired taste.  I didn't like
octopus when I first tried it in Japan 49 years ago, but I have grown
to appreciate it, both cooked and raw.

One of my favorite dishes is steak tartare, but I only order it in
establishments that have my confidence, because it has to be a great
piece of meat properly prepared.  I like the places that grind the
meat and season it right at your table.


I do a great steak tartare. Unfortunately, she who must also be fed or
the pampering stops prefers somewhat cooked meat.

I'm happy making a Martini with gin, knowing there is a bottle of
vermouth somewhere, and I am quite happy with a steak dinner, knowing
that there is a barbecue in the neighborhood.





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Re: PESO: Poke

[steve harley]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, at 10:01, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290


a visceral photo figuratively and literally

soften the highlights and it could be a magazine shot

and interesting discussion - i am semi-veg, not a moral eater, but
sensitive to critters, environment and health, limit all meats and won't
eat mammals; so i try to learn about where food comes from and saw a
recent news story that is relevant to poke:

http://oceana.org/reports/oceana-study-reveals-seafood-fraud-nationwide

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Larry Colen]

That photo does a good job of making me hungry, and I just finished a 
fairly large meal.


Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious.


Poke is awesome.  People miss out on so many wonderful things by being 
afraid to try new foods.




It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.


I tried uni once, and it didn't really work for me.

If you are ever in Santa Cruz, I highly recommend Mobo Sushi. They have 
some very creative and delicious items on their menu. Zab loves their 
corrupter roll: Unagi, Basil, Fresh Garlic, Macadamia Nuts


My favorite is what they call the tsunami, they take a large chunk of 
smoked salmon, split the middle, fill it with rice and macadamia nuts 
and top it with unagi and avocado. It is an amazing mixture of both 
flavors and textures.





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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 3:10 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> No culture that had a choice would have chosen Corn

I disagree!  I love corn.  Then again, I'm not very cultured .  .  .  .

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
> Nice photo anyway.

Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  

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Re: PESO: Poke

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I love Uni -- sea urchin roe -- but it has to be very fresh. As it ages, it 
develops an iodine taste. Poke doesn't even count as exotic. It's just great 
food. 

Paul via phone

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 28/10/15, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
>> adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
>> sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
>> interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.
> 
> In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just
> about] anything once".
> 
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Re: PESO: Poke

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On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> I love Uni -- sea urchin roe -- but it has to be very fresh. As it ages, it 
> develops an iodine taste. Poke doesn't even count as exotic. It's just great 
> food.

Paul, I thought that Uni is the gonads of the sea urchin, rather than
the roe.  (Now, that should spoil both Ann's and Frank's appetite.
Also, it is said to have a  euphoria-causing chemical in it.  I do
know I felt very good after my meal at Haru, but I though that was the
banana spring roll I had for desert.  

As for Poke, it certainly isn't considered exotic in Hawaii.  Haoles
and visitors enjoy it as much as the Native Hawaiians and Japanese
Hawaiians.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just
> about] anything once".

As the descendant of Eastern European peasants, I'll eat just about
anything that is place before me.  
As I said above, I tried sea urchin sashimi a few weeks ago, and I
finished it, although neither the texture nor the flavor really
appealed to me.  Perhaps it is an acquired taste.  I didn't like
octopus when I first tried it in Japan 49 years ago, but I have grown
to appreciate it, both cooked and raw.

One of my favorite dishes is steak tartare, but I only order it in
establishments that have my confidence, because it has to be a great
piece of meat properly prepared.  I like the places that grind the
meat and season it right at your table.


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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:36 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> On a different topic, Dan - you did the announcer's jinx thing on the DeGrom
> :-( big time!

Yes, but I am a big time Yankee fan.  

Tuna used in tuna casserole is not at all like fresh tuna grilled or
raw tuna in poke, sushi or sashimi.  The later types of tuna are MUCH
tastier.  The shininess on the poke is from the seasoned oil used to
flavor the tuna chunks.  Not slimy at all.  I had water buffalo steaks
in Thailand many years ago, and found it absolutely delicious.

As I said, I do not eat raw fish or steak tartare other than in a
restaurant that I trust.  Haru is my favorite sashimi place in The
City.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

As a t-shirt, a botanist friend used to wear, says; "Plant's have 
feelings too."


On 10/29/2015 1:04 AM, knarf wrote:

It actually looks good. Except for that whole "it's a dead animal" thing. I 
can't imagine there's  a vegan substitute. Haven't heard of any cruelty - free fake raw 
meats.

Nice photo anyway.

Cheers,

frank

On October 28, 2015 11:04:22 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell 
wrote:

Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious.

It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Donald Guthrie]

So sort of like pickled herring but tuna? In any event sounds good I 
like tuna in any form. Looks very red in the photo is that from the sauce?

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Re: PESO: Poke

[ann sanfedele]

Ha!
Actually , Dan, I likedsalmon roe with raw quail eggsushi.  But I think 
it a better idea not to eat raw fish at all these days...


However tuna is a fish I got quite sick of in my early twenties - 
macaroni casarole with mushroomsoup and tuna- and I think once got sick 
from - can't abide it anymore.


The raw tuna in your photo looks a bit slimy to me because of the 
shininessand therefore not so appetizing.


I certainly never would say I'd eat anything put in front of me, 
especially if looking at it make me gag.  I tried water buffalo recently
(don't like bison at all, so I was skeptical, but water buffalois not 
that, as I'm sure Alan will confirm). I was sorry I had - the jerky 
sample was tasty so I bought 1/2 lb of ground meat out of curiosity at 
the farm market and supposedlythe relative healty benefits versus beef - 
but didn't like the taste at allafter a few bites so gave the rest 
awayto a friend who, happily, thoughit was yummy.


On a different topic, Dan - you did the announcer's jinx thing on the 
DeGrom :-( big time!


ann

On 10/29/2015 8:41 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:

I love Uni -- sea urchin roe -- but it has to be very fresh. As it ages, it 
develops an iodine taste. Poke doesn't even count as exotic. It's just great 
food.

Paul, I thought that Uni is the gonads of the sea urchin, rather than
the roe.  (Now, that should spoil both Ann's and Frank's appetite.

..
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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Donald Guthrie  wrote:
> So sort of like pickled herring but tuna? In any event sounds good I like
> tuna in any form. Looks very red in the photo is that from the sauce?

Mo, Don, raw tuna naturally ranges from light red to dark red,
depending on the variety of the fish.  Unfortunately, some sellers are
now "gassing" tuna to make it look bright red and therefore fresh.
Again, I only eat raw fish or any kind at a restaurant that I trust.
We have an excellent place right here in our little town that usually
rates as the top Japanese restaurant by Zagat's and by New Jersey
Monthly in their annual restaurant ratings, and I have favorite places
in NYC and on Maui that I know and trust. Never, ever eat suchi in a
Chinese restaurant.  It's like ordering linguine Alfredo in a Greek
restaurant.I did that once, and there was red sauce on it.




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Re: PESO: Poke

[John]

On 10/28/2015 1:20 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:


Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.


What? No pork? Surely there shoud be some pig in a poke?



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Re: PESO: Poke

[Bob W-PDML]

He could have made a decent living as a greengrocer too.

B

> On 29 Oct 2015, at 15:54, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> As a t-shirt, a botanist friend used to wear, says; "Plant's have feelings 
> too."
> 
>> On 10/29/2015 1:04 AM, knarf wrote:
>> It actually looks good. Except for that whole "it's a dead animal" thing. I 
>> can't imagine there's  a vegan substitute. Haven't heard of any cruelty - 
>> free fake raw meats.
>> 
>> Nice photo anyway.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On October 28, 2015 11:04:22 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell 
>>> wrote:
 Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious.
>>> It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
>>> adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
>>> sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
>>> interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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Re: PESO: Poke

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Dan,

Yep, nice poke is very tasty!
Surprisingly, the sushi stand at the local supermarket ("HEB") sells 
"poke". But it is essentially just passable tuna sashimi.


As for things that are similar to this "poke" is the dish that is called 
"[fish] ceviche" in Chile, and especially in Easter Island.
It is different from "Mexican" ceviche, and much closer to what you 
pictured as "poke". That Easter Island ceviche is one of the best dishes 
we've tried there (while the food there is very tasty in general).



Igor



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.



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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
>>> Nice photo anyway.
>> 
>> Thanks, Frank.
>> 
>> I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>> don't need my understanding or approval.
>> At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
> 
> Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.

Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm 
animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.

> OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.
> 

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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 10/29/2015 6:15 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill  wrote:



On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
Nice photo anyway.


Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.


Hardly, since in most industrial-scale farming we seem to be feeding farm 
animals with mashed-up bits of their dead relatives.


That doesn't sound like it could possibly end well.



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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:

Nice photo anyway.


Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  



Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.



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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 10/29/2015 6:33 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:29 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just
about] anything once".


As the descendant of Eastern European peasants, I'll eat just about
anything that is place before me.  
As I said above, I tried sea urchin sashimi a few weeks ago, and I
finished it, although neither the texture nor the flavor really
appealed to me.  Perhaps it is an acquired taste.  I didn't like
octopus when I first tried it in Japan 49 years ago, but I have grown
to appreciate it, both cooked and raw.

One of my favorite dishes is steak tartare, but I only order it in
establishments that have my confidence, because it has to be a great
piece of meat properly prepared.  I like the places that grind the
meat and season it right at your table.


I do a great steak tartare. Unfortunately, she who must also be fed or 
the pampering stops prefers somewhat cooked meat.


I'm happy making a Martini with gin, knowing there is a bottle of 
vermouth somewhere, and I am quite happy with a steak dinner, knowing 
that there is a barbecue in the neighborhood.




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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 28/10/15, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
>adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
>sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
>interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.

In this life if there's one thing I stand by, it's 'I'll try [just
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Re: PESO: Poke

[Bill]

On 10/29/2015 8:39 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote:


On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
wrote:
Nice photo anyway.


Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.


I recently saw a "grass fed yougurt". So, vegans are also competing with
yougurt.
:-)

And they drink the blood of dead tomatoes!
;-)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmK0bZl4ILM=RDKmK0bZl4ILM#t=67

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Re: PESO: Poke

[knarf]

Veganism really isn't hard to understand. I don't feel the need to defend or 
explain it here, but it's got a lot to do with alleviating cruelty and 
exploitation of sentient, feeling beings.

I guess it's about where you draw the line. 

No one normal would eat other humans. Lots wouldn't consider eating cats, dogs 
or other domesticated household pets. Great apes and other primates are pretty 
much off limits, too.

I'm of the view that if one wouldn't eat a dog because it's cruel, it must be 
equally cruel to kill and eat a sensitive, intelligent, socially advanced 
animal like a pig. If "no" for pigs, how can you say yes for cows, fish or 
anything else that feels pain?

So I draw the line at sentience. Yes, I know it can be a blurred line in some 
cases but I feel fairly comfortable saying yes to plants and no to animals of 
all sorts. It's really easy to remember. And easy to understand, at least for 
me.

There are way more reasons to be vegan but I'll leave it at that for now.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 8:26:39 AM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf 
>wrote:
>> Nice photo anyway.
>
>Thanks, Frank.
>
>I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
>don't need my understanding or approval.
>At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  
>
>Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO: Poke

[knarf]

That's quite funny, the part about eating vegans when they're young. I can 
barely type, I'm laughing so hard.

As for competing with farm animals for food, I'm pretty sure that cows, pigs 
and chickens don't eat leafy greens, nightshades, beans and lentils, root 
vegetables and fresh fruits.

No, they eat corn. And more corn. Yet again even more corn. And dead animal 
stuff (of their own species, in many cases). And loads and loads of 
antibiotics, because they're so prone to infections caused by eating so much 
corn (which their stomachs aren't designed to digest).

So mostly we're not in competetion for food.

But again, your comments were very humorous. Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

frank

On October 29, 2015 7:38:29 PM EDT, Bill  wrote:

>Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.
>OTOH, they do make a tasty snack if you slaughter them when young.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Igor PDML-StR]

On 29 Oct 2015, at 23:39, Bill wrote:


On 10/29/2015 6:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:04 AM, knarf  wrote:
Nice photo anyway.


Thanks, Frank.

I don't really understand the vegan movement, but then again, you
don't need my understanding or approval.
At least it keeps the price of red meat down a bit.  


Not really, Vegans are competing for food with farm animals.


I recently saw a "grass fed yougurt". So, vegans are also competing 
with yougurt.

:-)

And they drink the blood of dead tomatoes!
;-)

Cheers,

Igor


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Re: PESO: Poke

[Mark Roberts]

"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:

>Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
>served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
>Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
>bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
>seaweed and Maui onions.

What? No pork? Surely there shoud be some pig in a poke?

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> You actually eat that? A kind of sushi? Not for me thank you.

More like sashimi than sushi, but definitely influenced by Japanese
cuisine.  Japanese Americans are the largest ethnic group in Hawaii.

In any event, poke is quite delicious.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[ann sanfedele]

Glad someone else said it :-)

 I don't think a pig will fit in that, Dan

ann

On 10/28/2015 1:12 PM, Alan C wrote:

You actually eat that? A kind of sushi? Not for me thank you.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:01 PM
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Subject: PESO: Poke

Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290
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Comments are invited

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Re: PESO: Poke

[ann sanfedele]

I really have to read other responses before I make my quips (which see)

I actuallywon't eat turn at all, cooked or raw.

Mark - I didn't look at your zombie stuff - until Marco said one was 
funny and it was so I looked
but I really have an inability to cope with seeing disfigurement, 
especially when accompanied by blood

even if it is artificial - NSFA :-)

ann

On 10/28/2015 1:20 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:


Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.

What? No pork? Surely there shoud be some pig in a poke?




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Re: PESO: Poke

[Alan C]

You actually eat that? A kind of sushi? Not for me thank you.

Alan C

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Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290
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Comments are invited

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Re: PESO: Poke

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> What? No pork? Surely there shoud be some pig in a poke?

No, Mark, that is the other quintessential Hawaiian dish:  Kalua Pig.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalua

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Re: PESO: Poke

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious.

It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[knarf]

It actually looks good. Except for that whole "it's a dead animal" thing. I 
can't imagine there's  a vegan substitute. Haven't heard of any cruelty - free 
fake raw meats.

Nice photo anyway.

Cheers,

frank 

On October 28, 2015 11:04:22 PM EDT, "Daniel J. Matyola"  
wrote:
>On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 7:12 PM, Steve Cottrell 
>wrote:
>> Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious.
>
>It is indeed, Steve.  One must keep an open mind and be a bit
>adventurous at times.  Last wee at Haru in NYC I tried sea urchin
>sashimi for the first time.  Not my favorite, by any means, but quite
>interesting.  The soft shell crab sushi was much tastier.
>
>Dan Matyola
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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 10/28/2015 1:20 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:


Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.

What? No pork? Surely there shoud be some pig in a poke?



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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

It's not sushi, there's no rice.

On 10/28/2015 1:12 PM, Alan C wrote:

You actually eat that? A kind of sushi? Not for me thank you.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
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Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290
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Comments are invited

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Re: PESO: Poke

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On 28/10/15, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
>served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
>Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
>bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
>seaweed and Maui onions.
>
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290
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>Comments are invited

Oh wow - looks and sounds delicious.

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Re: PESO: Poke

[P.J. Alling]

So in other words Hawaiian Sashimi.

It looks shiny, nicely exposed, though I'm not sure it looks appetizing.

On 10/28/2015 12:01 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Poke (pronounced POH-kay) is the quintessential Hawaiian dish.  It is
served in most Hawaiian homes and restaurants, and no gathering in
Hawaii would be complete without a few bowls of poke. Poke is
bite-size pieces of raw tuna doused in seasonings, and mixed with
seaweed and Maui onions.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18117290
K-5 II S, DA 18-135 soom
Comments are invited

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