Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
I disagree. I signed up for a connection to the Internet and bandwidth--period--when I contracted with my isp. This recent nonsense of blocking ports is just plain insulting. Assuming that I am a responsible citizen (which any administrator needs to be on ANY network) on the Internet, what I do with my bandwidth is my business. I did NOT sign up for X hours or for Y Gb of traffic. If I choose to run a server at my site, I'm ***saving my isp money*** and resources since they do not have to run that service for me or allocate the disk space to me. Mark Price =~ speed * reliability * features. Features include things like static IP addresses, peering, hosting, etc, etc, etc... A dude with static IP address SHOULD pay more than one who is making occasional use of an IP pool or one who is not running static services. Turn it around... Against the higher price, those who can accept cheaper services get a discount. You want the high priced spred but you want the discount too. Turn it around. All these mergers are a result of rats like you who don't want to pay for services they demand so the ISPs can't pay their bills and go bankrupt and get bought out. You made your own bed. You might have it fast, featureful (static, stable, whatever), and cheap. PICK TWO! YOU DON'T GET THREE! Mike ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 17 May 2002, Mark Neidorff wrote: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Neidorff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY I disagree. I signed up for a connection to the Internet and bandwidth--period--when I contracted with my isp. This recent nonsense of blocking ports is just plain insulting. Assuming that I am a responsible citizen (which any administrator needs to be on ANY network) on the Internet, what I do with my bandwidth is my business. I did NOT sign up for X hours or for Y Gb of traffic. If I choose to run a server at my site, I'm ***saving my isp money*** and resources since they do not have to run that service for me or allocate the disk space to me. Mark Price =~ speed * reliability * features. Features include things like static IP addresses, peering, hosting, etc, etc, etc... A dude with static IP address SHOULD pay more than one who is making occasional use of an IP pool or one who is not running static services. Turn it around... Against the higher price, those who can accept cheaper services get a discount. You want the high priced spred but you want the discount too. Turn it around. All these mergers are a result of rats like you who don't want to pay for services they demand so the ISPs can't pay their bills and go bankrupt and get bought out. You made your own bed. You might have it fast, featureful (static, stable, whatever), and cheap. PICK TWO! YOU DON'T GET THREE! Mike ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list Mark is absolutely right in this case, all we are really paying for is the connection and the bandwidth and that's the end of it, whatever the customer does with it is protected under the first ammendment, barring anything illegal that may be done or anything that is done to harm, frighten, etc. However, I can also see the ISP's point of view in which they say that people shouldn't hog all the bandwidth that their line can handle. A concrete example would be if I went into a grocery store and bought all the cartons of milk on the shelf, leaving none for other people who would come in after me. When ISP's figure out the monthly charges for new services, they have to make a calculation on what most people will use reasonably within the timeframe that they are billing for (30 days usually). This is especially true with resellers of web hosting and dialup services who ARE billed per GB transferred over the network. For example, if someone bought 50GB of traffic @ 30 cents per GB, they would be paying $15 per month + diskspace fees. However, what happens when people go over their limit? They get charged extra. Part of it indeed is that ISP's are greedy and want to make a buck. However, in the case of the resellers, they have to do it because of the fact that they, in turn, have to pay their ISP for the overage at their rates. In short, ISP's are a mixed bag, they are good for alot of things, but they can also be a curse in some respects, especially where billing is concerned. - -- Jonathan [] [ Jonathan M. Slivko | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ web: http://jslivko.freeshell.org -- primary ] [ web: http://my.core.com/~jonathan.slivko/ ] [ GPG Key @ http://jslivko.freeshell.org/jslivko.gpg ] [] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (NetBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE85XpuJZabLlKpP6QRAhf/AKC3skguK2CpTtxVjhA27CtwWK+V6ACfa5pk wmQJF6GPXeLcUsjaF3TGsxc= =lzpu -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
No, they don't have to allocate teh disk space...but you're not saving them money...you're in effect costing them more, by having to route the extra traffic to you. What do your terms of service say on the matter? I'm assuming that the TOS assumes you're a home user, not a business user. By and large, home users do not need the ability to run incoming server type services. If your TOS does not include a clause that says you A) get a static IP or B) that you can run server type services, then assuming that you are have those prerogatives might be ill advised. On Fri, 17 May 2002, Mark Neidorff wrote: I disagree. I signed up for a connection to the Internet and bandwidth--period--when I contracted with my isp. This recent nonsense of blocking ports is just plain insulting. Assuming that I am a responsible citizen (which any administrator needs to be on ANY network) on the Internet, what I do with my bandwidth is my business. I did NOT sign up for X hours or for Y Gb of traffic. If I choose to run a server at my site, I'm ***saving my isp money*** and resources since they do not have to run that service for me or allocate the disk space to me. Mark Price =~ speed * reliability * features. Features include things like static IP addresses, peering, hosting, etc, etc, etc... A dude with static IP address SHOULD pay more than one who is making occasional use of an IP pool or one who is not running static services. Turn it around... Against the higher price, those who can accept cheaper services get a discount. You want the high priced spred but you want the discount too. Turn it around. All these mergers are a result of rats like you who don't want to pay for services they demand so the ISPs can't pay their bills and go bankrupt and get bought out. You made your own bed. You might have it fast, featureful (static, stable, whatever), and cheap. PICK TWO! YOU DON'T GET THREE! Mike ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: I disagree. I signed up for a connection to the Internet and bandwidth--period--when I contracted with my isp. This recent nonsense of blocking ports is just plain insulting. Assuming that I am a responsible citizen (which any administrator needs to be on ANY network) on the Internet, what I do with my bandwidth is my business. I did NOT sign up for X hours or for Y Gb of traffic. If I choose to run a server at my site, I'm ***saving my isp money*** and resources since they do not have to run that service for me or allocate the disk space to me. Mark is absolutely right in this case, all we are really paying for is the connection and the bandwidth and that's the end of it, whatever the customer does with it is protected under the first ammendment, barring anything illegal that may be done or anything that is done to harm, frighten, etc. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree, here. Mark is only allowed to do, with his bandwidth, what his contract/agreement with the ISP says he is allowed to do, and he is only allocated what his contract/agreement says he is allocated. If it does not say he's allocated static IP, or that he's allowed to run server type services, or that it is a home DSL or Cable connection, then it's reasonable for the ISP to assume that he's only going to do home type internet use (browsing, email, chatting, etc). Again, it all comes down to terms of service. ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 09:47:20PM +, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: Mark is absolutely right in this case, all we are really paying for is the connection and the bandwidth and that's the end of it, whatever the customer does with it is protected under the first ammendment, barring anything illegal that may be done or anything that is done to harm, frighten, etc. Is this the agreement you have with your ISP? In writing? Or what you think you *should* have? I've not run across an ISP that just gives bandwidth with no restrictions. The ones I know have a Terms of Service agreement, or Acceptable Use Policy, that you tacitly agree to when you use their service -- NOT when you signed up. This tells you in legalese what you can and cannot do. If yours is like mine, they even have fine print that says they reserve the right to change these conditions whenver they want, without prior notice, and you are giving them permission to do this just by using the service. The very, very fine print says 'if you don't like it, go stuff yourself'. The traditional way to resolve these customer/provider disputes is that the customer finds a provider that sees things his way. Not the other way around. -- Hal Burgiss ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Mike Burger wrote: Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY No, they don't have to allocate teh disk space...but you're not saving them money...you're in effect costing them more, by having to route the extra traffic to you. What do your terms of service say on the matter? I'm assuming that the TOS assumes you're a home user, not a business user. By and large, home users do not need the ability to run incoming server type services. If your TOS does not include a clause that says you A) get a static IP or B) that you can run server type services, then assuming that you are have those prerogatives might be ill advised. On Fri, 17 May 2002, Mark Neidorff wrote: I disagree. I signed up for a connection to the Internet and bandwidth--period--when I contracted with my isp. This recent nonsense of blocking ports is just plain insulting. Assuming that I am a responsible citizen (which any administrator needs to be on ANY network) on the Internet, what I do with my bandwidth is my business. I did NOT sign up for X hours or for Y Gb of traffic. If I choose to run a server at my site, I'm ***saving my isp money*** and resources since they do not have to run that service for me or allocate the disk space to me. Mark Price =~ speed * reliability * features. Features include things like static IP addresses, peering, hosting, etc, etc, etc... A dude with static IP address SHOULD pay more than one who is making occasional use of an IP pool or one who is not running static services. Turn it around... Against the higher price, those who can accept cheaper services get a discount. You want the high priced spred but you want the discount too. Turn it around. All these mergers are a result of rats like you who don't want to pay for services they demand so the ISPs can't pay their bills and go bankrupt and get bought out. You made your own bed. You might have it fast, featureful (static, stable, whatever), and cheap. PICK TWO! YOU DON'T GET THREE! Mike ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list Mike, right on the money, as always :) -- Jonathan [] [ Jonathan M. Slivko | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ web: http://jslivko.freeshell.org -- primary ] [ web: http://my.core.com/~jonathan.slivko/ ] [ GPG Key @ http://jslivko.freeshell.org/jslivko.gpg ] [] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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Hal Burgiss wrote: On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 09:47:20PM +, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: Mark is absolutely right in this case, all we are really paying for is the connection and the bandwidth and that's the end of it, whatever the customer does with it is protected under the first ammendment, barring anything illegal that may be done or anything that is done to harm, frighten, etc. Is this the agreement you have with your ISP? In writing? Or what you think you *should* have? I've not run across an ISP that just gives bandwidth with no restrictions. The ones I know have a Terms of Service agreement, or Acceptable Use Policy, that you tacitly agree to when you use their service -- NOT when you signed up. This tells you in legalese what you can and cannot do. If yours is like mine, they even have fine print that says they reserve the right to change these conditions whenver they want, without prior notice, and you are giving them permission to do this just by using the service. The very, very fine print says 'if you don't like it, go stuff yourself'. Hmm... I understand that this kind of fine print has as much legal strength as that of Microsoft's EULA. The one that says that by opening the package you agree to the terms in the EULA. To the best of my knowledge, there is no legal strength in that, except for the lawyer muscle a big corporation can muster against smaller guys. The traditional way to resolve these customer/provider disputes is that the customer finds a provider that sees things his way. Not the other way around. I agree on this. the best protest against a lousy service is to leave it and give your money to someone who delivers up to your standards. Another alternative is to get in touch with other users of the service who are dissatisfied with the TOS and excert group pressure on the company. They probably don't mind a single user leaving for the competition, but losing 10% market share might scare the sh*t out of them. Finaly, you will get to see why a commercial grade connection costs about 10 times as much as a home connection of similar bandwidth. When you contract a commercial grade connection, you get the following (all of which don't usually come in home grade connections): - Static IP addresses (usually a /28 segment or more). - Ability to set up servers freely (limited by the address space provided). - Service level agreement (with or without fines). Some ISPs will also give you access to their caching servers, news feed, etc. Others might setup some monitoring of your services. The list goes on and on, but all these niceties are only available to heavily charged customers. I recently requested some quotes for this type of service, and the price was about US$ 350 / month. Are you willing to pay that much for internet access? Cheers, -- Javier Gostling Ingeniero de Sistemas Virtualia S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fono: +56 (2) 202-6264 x 130 Fax: +56 (2) 342-8763 Av. Kennedy 5757, of 1502 Las Condes Santiago Chile ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 06:50:20PM -0400, Javier Gostling wrote: Hmm... I understand that this kind of fine print has as much legal strength as that of Microsoft's EULA. The one that says that by opening the package you agree to the terms in the EULA. To the best of my knowledge, there is no legal strength in that, except for the lawyer muscle a big corporation can muster against smaller guys. Maybe true, but if they pull the plug how many thousands are you willing to spend to fight them over this? What it gets down to, whether it is legal or not, they hold all the cards, and can disconnect you for any violation as they define it, and as they interpret their own legal ramblings. It is their hand on the switch. Another alternative is to get in touch with other users of the service who are dissatisfied with the TOS and excert group pressure on the company. They probably don't mind a single user leaving for the competition, but losing 10% market share might scare the sh*t out of them. Well, BellSouth (US) has something like 1.5 million (dialup + DSL) customers, so I doubt I'll find 150,000. Maybe 5 or 10 though...if I'm lucky :) -- Hal Burgiss ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ed Wilts wrote: Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? I'm not perfect, but I can see no way in which they could mask this, so I'd call it impossible. If you use something like VMware, then it's possible. You should be able to spot a VMWare machine by the hardware types appearing in the boot messages. It does take a bit of work and awareness, however. Alan -- Alan Peery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
Set up DNS services and URL forwarding services with your registrar of your domain, and forward your URL to a port other than 80. At 05:02 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, you wrote: Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? Im sorry if it seems like Im flipping out! but this DSL/CABLE COMPANY IP buck sucking is crazy at first there selling point was always on! no noise, the new wave what they really mean is pay but don't use!then pay some more people in general are stupid!they think MERGERS HAVE SCREWED US ALL WAKE UP Its only a matter of time before super big business feel they suckered enough surfers on line to start pricing us off line completely, I can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall one day and online product prices going through the roof and if your companies not worth millions your just like the rest of us too - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: IP GAMES FOR SUCKING BUCKS ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 05:02:25PM -0400, ebinc wrote: Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? ??? Question does not compute. Im sorry if it seems like Im flipping out! but this DSL/CABLE COMPANY IP buck sucking is crazy at first there selling point was always on! no noise, the new wave what they really mean is pay but don't use!then pay some more people in general are stupid!they think MERGERS HAVE SCREWED US ALL WAKE UP Try talking in coherent sentences. Always on != Static IP != instant access to everywhere on the planet. Never has been never was. Your remarks about mergers is meaningless. Mergers have nothing to do with this. Its only a matter of time before super big business feel they suckered enough surfers on line to start pricing us off line completely, I can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall one day and online product prices going through the roof and if your companies not worth millions your just like the rest of us too You are truely rambling. Try English just for giggles. You obviously want something you never had and to do something you could never do before and you don't want to pay for it. Price =~ speed * reliability * features. Features include things like static IP addresses, peering, hosting, etc, etc, etc... A dude with static IP address SHOULD pay more than one who is making occasional use of an IP pool or one who is not running static services. Turn it around... Against the higher price, those who can accept cheaper services get a discount. You want the high priced spred but you want the discount too. Turn it around. All these mergers are a result of rats like you who don't want to pay for services they demand so the ISPs can't pay their bills and go bankrupt and get bought out. You made your own bed. You might have it fast, featureful (static, stable, whatever), and cheap. PICK TWO! YOU DON'T GET THREE! Mike -- Michael H. Warfield| (770) 985-6132 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\/\|=mhw=|\/\/ | (678) 463-0932 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471| possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it! ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE DSL IP ROBBERY
Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? Im sorry if it seems like Im flipping out! but this DSL/CABLE COMPANY IP buck sucking is crazy at first there selling point was always on! no noise, the new wave what they really mean is pay but don't use!then pay some more people in general are stupid!they think MERGERS HAVE SCREWED US ALL WAKE UP Its only a matter of time before super big business feel they suckered enough surfers on line to start pricing us off line completely, I can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall one day and online product prices going through the roof and if your companies not worth millions your just like the rest of us too - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: IP GAMES FOR SUCKING BUCKS ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
Are you sure you have investigated all of your options? Remember, with DSL, the phone company just provides the line. Although they'd love to be your ISP as well, you can always opt out. Try calling a bunch of smaller ISP's in your area and ask about having a static (or 5) IP over your DSL line. I bet you can find one you can talk into it. Have you investigated ISDN, Wireless, and Fractional T-1? Some of these are affordable for small business, and they all come with static IP connectivity. Why not co-locate? You provide they box, and it can be much cheaper than leasing a dedicated server. And before you sell out colocation and dedicated host, remember all the pluses that they offer: redundancy, power back-ups, higher latency, scalable bandwidth availability. Finally, if you don't need all of the pluses above, and don't care about downtime and service outages (DSL is far from 99.9% reliability), why do you need a static IP? Most ISP's set their leases to indefinate - as long as the connection is on, your IP won't change. Write a script to update DNS everytime your connection is reset. Josh Cragun. -Original Message- From: ebinc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE DSL IP ROBBERY Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? Im sorry if it seems like Im flipping out! but this DSL/CABLE COMPANY IP buck sucking is crazy at first there selling point was always on! no noise, the new wave what they really mean is pay but don't use!then pay some more people in general are stupid!they think MERGERS HAVE SCREWED US ALL WAKE UP Its only a matter of time before super big business feel they suckered enough surfers on line to start pricing us off line completely, I can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall one day and online product prices going through the roof and if your companies not worth millions your just like the rest of us too - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: IP GAMES FOR SUCKING BUCKS ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
RE: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Joshua Cragun wrote: Are you sure you have investigated all of your options? Remember, with DSL, the phone company just provides the line. Although they'd love to be your ISP as well, you can always opt out. Try calling a bunch of smaller ISP's in your area and ask about having a static (or 5) IP over your DSL line. I bet you can find one you can talk into it. Have you investigated ISDN, Wireless, and Fractional T-1? Some of these are affordable for small business, and they all come with static IP connectivity. Why not co-locate? You provide they box, and it can be much cheaper than leasing a dedicated server. And before you sell out colocation and dedicated host, remember all the pluses that they offer: redundancy, power back-ups, higher latency, scalable bandwidth availability. ^^ lower latency! (just a nit) Finally, if you don't need all of the pluses above, and don't care about downtime and service outages (DSL is far from 99.9% reliability), why do you need a static IP? Most ISP's set their leases to indefinate - as long as the connection is on, your IP won't change. Write a script to update DNS everytime your connection is reset. Josh Cragun. -Original Message- From: ebinc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE DSL IP ROBBERY Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? Im sorry if it seems like Im flipping out! but this DSL/CABLE COMPANY IP buck sucking is crazy at first there selling point was always on! no noise, the new wave what they really mean is pay but don't use!then pay some more people in general are stupid!they think MERGERS HAVE SCREWED US ALL WAKE UP Its only a matter of time before super big business feel they suckered enough surfers on line to start pricing us off line completely, I can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall one day and online product prices going through the roof and if your companies not worth millions your just like the rest of us too ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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At 5/15/2002 05:02 PM -0400, you wrote: Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? I'm not perfect, but I can see no way in which they could mask this, so I'd call it impossible. Im sorry if it seems like Im flipping out! You _are_ sort of rambling and ranting, actually. Could you maybe stick to your point a little more, and be clearer about what you're trying to do or find out? Its only a matter of time before super big business feel they suckered enough surfers on line to start pricing us off line completely, I can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall one day and online product prices going through the roof and if your companies not worth millions your just like the rest of us too Bull. Whatever super big business you're talking about, I've never seen it on the hosting side. AOL and Microsoft both do bad things to people, but that's mostly on the client side of the Internet. (And it doesn't have to be that way.) However, hosting and colocation and capable datacenters are available all around the world, at commodity pricing. If you can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall, either you're sitting somewhere very different from where I am or you just don't understand the cost economics at play in both scenarios... the one has *nothing* to do with the other except for the single, less-than-relevant fact that in both cases, you might be selling something (or might not). -- Rodolfo J. Paiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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In all fairness, always on does not equal always grabbing the same IP. Always on means that your connection can be on 24/7. However, it does not mean that if you disconnect, or if you're on a DHCP based connection, that you're going to get the same IP, every time. You weren't guaranteed a static IP when you were using dialup, were you? What makes you think you should be guaranteed one, now? If you want a static IP, you need to be willing to pay for it...either via a few bucks a month to your provider, or in the price of a real broadband connection. On Wed, 15 May 2002, ebinc wrote: Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? Im sorry if it seems like Im flipping out! but this DSL/CABLE COMPANY IP buck sucking is crazy at first there selling point was always on! no noise, the new wave what they really mean is pay but don't use!then pay some more people in general are stupid!they think MERGERS HAVE SCREWED US ALL WAKE UP Its only a matter of time before super big business feel they suckered enough surfers on line to start pricing us off line completely, I can see hosting fees being on the level of a mall one day and online product prices going through the roof and if your companies not worth millions your just like the rest of us too - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: IP GAMES FOR SUCKING BUCKS ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
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Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? I'm not perfect, but I can see no way in which they could mask this, so I'd call it impossible. If you use something like VMware, then it's possible. However, with any other approach, if they say you've got a dedicated server, request root access. Then shut the box down. If nobody complains, then the server is yours :-) Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
Re: RE DSL IP ROBBERY
I think this may be able to hide the fact your on a virtual server even if you are root. http://www.solucorp.qc.ca/miscprj/s_context.hc On Thu, 2002-05-16 at 11:41, Ed Wilts wrote: Is there a way an experience tech (their probably going to have one) can hide the fact your not on a dedicated server or is it impossible to mask? I'm not perfect, but I can see no way in which they could mask this, so I'd call it impossible. If you use something like VMware, then it's possible. However, with any other approach, if they say you've got a dedicated server, request root access. Then shut the box down. If nobody complains, then the server is yours :-) Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list -- - Mark Bradbury Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Engineer SMS Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Teaching Learning Support Phone: +61 8 89467776 Northern Territory University Mobile:0417 860 591 Casuarina 0909 Australia Fax: +61 8 89466630 ___ Redhat-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
