Re: [Biofuel] The History of U.S.Torture
This is incredibly frightening. We Australians have a citizen (even if he may be guilty of a crime: even perhaps his own stupidity) who is held in Guantanamo Bay. Our Government, led by an ultra-conservative refuses to let David Hicks be tried under Australian law, but lets him remain as the last (to my knowledge) person of European background held at Guantanamo Bay. There is no way David will ever receive a fair trial in a military US court. David should be returned to Australia, to face a civil court if he has actually broken any Australian laws. David has been held in the US, without charge, tortured (by the methods mentioned below), and treated inhumanely for the past 5 years. Please free David Hicks from US custody now! Treat the other detainees fairly, give them a fair civil trial. regards Doug On Friday 29 December 2006 3:00, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.japanfocus.org/products/details/2291 Japan Focus The History of U.S.Torture By Alfred W. McCoy In April 2004, Americans were stunned when CBS broadcast those now-notorious photographs from Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison, showing hooded Iraqis stripped naked while U.S. soldiers stood by smiling. As this scandal grabbed headlines around the globe, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld insisted that the abuses were perpetrated by a small number of U.S. military, whom New York Times' columnist William Safire soon branded creeps--a line that few in the press had reason to challenge. When I looked at these photos, I did not see snapshots of simple brutality or a breakdown in military discipline. After more than a decade of studying the Philippine military's torture techniques for a monograph published by Yale back 1999, I could see the tell-tale signs of the CIA's psychological methods. For example, that iconic photo of a hooded Iraqi with fake electrical wires hanging from his extended arms shows, not the sadism of a few creeps, but instead the two key trademarks of the CIA's psychological torture. The hood was for sensory disorientation. The arms were extended for self-inflicted pain. It was that simple; it was that obvious. After making that argument in an op-ed for the Boston Globe two weeks after CBS published the photos, I began exploring the historical continuity, the connections, between the CIA torture research back in the 1950s and Abu Ghraib in 2004. By using the past to interrogate the present, I published a book titled A Question of Torture last January that tracks the trail of an extraordinary historical and institutional continuity through countless pages of declassified documents. The findings are disturbing and bear directly upon the ongoing bitter debate over torture that culminated in the enactment of the Military Commissions law just last October. From 1950 to 1962, the CIA led a secret research effort to crack the code of human consciousness, a veritable Manhattan project of the mind with costs that reached a billion dollars a year. Many have heard about the most outlandish and least successful aspect of this research -- the testing of LSD on unsuspecting subjects and the tragic death of a CIA employee, Dr. Frank Olson, who jumped to his death from a New York hotel after a dose of this drug. This Agency drug testing, the focus of countless sensational press accounts and a half-dozen major books, led nowhere. But obscure CIA-funded behavioral experiments, outsourced to the country's leading universities, produced two key findings, both duly and dully reported in scientific journals, that contributed to the discovery of a distinctly American form of torture: psychological torture. With funding from Canada's Defense Research Board, famed Canadian psychologist Dr. Donald O. Hebb found that he could induce a state akin to psychosis in just 48 hours. What had the doctor done-drugs, hypnosis, electroshock? No, none of the above. Donald Hebb, 1970 For two days, student volunteers at McGill University, where Dr. Hebb was chair of Psychology, simply sat in comfortable cubicles deprived of sensory stimulation by goggles, gloves, and ear muffs. One of Hebb's subjects, University of California-Berkeley English professor Peter Dale Scott, has described the impact of this experience in his 1992 epic poem, Listening to the Candle: nothing in those weeks added up yet the very aimlessness preconditioning my mind of sensory deprivation as a paid volunteer in the McGill experiment for the US Air Force (two CIA reps at the meeting) my ears sore from their earphones' amniotic hum my eyes under two bulging halves of ping pong balls arms covered to the tips with cardboard tubes those familiar hallucination I was the first to report as for example the string of cut-out paper men emerging from a manhole in the side of a snow-white hill distinctly two-dimensional Dr. Hebb himself reported that after just two to three days of such isolation the
Re: [Biofuel] permanent magnet alternators
Hi, to my mind, a car alternator will rev about 2-4 times the engine revs. The size of the alternator pulley is about 50mm the crank pulley is 100-125mm. This gives 2+. A car alternator will rev fairly high, because the rotor diameter is only small: about 80mm from guess. Usually the slower the alternator, the more poles larger diameter, which is why the Fisher Paykel Washing machine motor makes a good slow revving alternator. It must be remembered that the centrifugal force is a square law relationship, which is why the higher revving machines tend to be smaller in diameter. Air bearings are used in extremely high revving machines. I remember the Electronic Circuit board drills: they used air motors spun up to 120 000 rpm. Turbochargers from cars run on plain bearings in oil at up to 150 000 rpm (at extremely low clearances, which is why the oil in turbo cars must be free of foreign bodies (ie clean well filtered).) regards Doug On Saturday 09 December 2006 9:25, Hakan Falk wrote: Joe, Yes I got messed up with language, circumference, area and wind speed, because circumference is not really interesting. Regarding relations between area and wind speed, you have a table on my site. If you double the circumference the area goes up with the quadrate and if you double the wind speed the energy content goes up with cubic. The best we can do is to try to find some tables on car alternators, to see their data. As I understand it now, after looking at data, a high performance car alternator would give around 200 amps at 12 to 22 VDC, which give at the high end 22x200= 4.4 Kw. You can get more by having a multiple generator system, mounted on single drive axis and can buy those as standard up to 800 amps . It looks like the upper limit for single generator is around 5 Kw and standard one axis multiple generators 17 Kw. Probably the rpm set to 18,000 is a mistyping and it should be 1,800 rpm, but what is a zero more or less between friends. After looking at some existing generators, they recommend to not go over 2,500 rpm. It looks like the recommendations is to have the generator at half the speed of the engine. It is however possible to rev up an generator to give more power, because the limitation is the current not the power, if it is revved up to give a higher voltage and power, it will also give a higher power output. It is however questionable that the windings and other components would stand for it, see, http://www.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/energy/Alternator/alternator.htm It describes quite good the design and limitations and it confirms the worries that you had, maybe not exactly but it is component problems that limits the output. What would we do, if we did not have Internet and the wealth of information. I found the link to be a good primer to generators. A table that allow you to rev up the generator to 18,000 rpm will probably give you hight voltage and high power output, but does not seem to be realistic, if the generator is not specially designed for this speeds and high voltage. Hakan At 20:49 08/12/2006, you wrote: Hi Hakan; If the diameter of the pulley is doubled the circumference is doubled. Not 4 times. You must be thinking of area. Now if you double the diameter on a wind turbine you do get 4 times the power. Is this what you were thinking of? If a 3 meter turbine produces 1kw ( a safe guess for a home made unit? with average windwhatever that means) so then a 12 kw output would require sqrt 12 or about 3.4 times the diameter so about 10 meters diameter? Does this sound reasonable? Yes when you get into the 10's of thousands of rpm things do tend to fly apart. Explode is not technically the right term but equivalent in effect. I have seen a saw blade disintigrate into dust when it's rpm was increased from 16,000 to 24,000. It was very exciting. Lucky nobody got hurt! No peice of the blade existed which was larger than a grain of sand. Joe Hakan Falk wrote: Joe, Twice the diameter, would be close to 1 to 4, right (THE SQUARE OF 2)? Agree that 2,500 might be close to normal speed. That would be something like 10,000 rpm for the alternator at normal speed. Talking about that the alternator would explode at 18,000 rpm is maybe an overstatement? With the use of alternators in wind generators, I have never seen them classed at more then 6-8 Kw, but would not be surprised if they would not explode if you under extreme conditions get 12 Kw. With 10 m diameter, you would get a lot more than 12 Kw. I would guess, without calculations, that we are closer to 4-5 m diameter. This after looking at existing wind generators. When we talk about large wind, we are talking about 100's of Kw and diameters around 30 m. It was a while since I looked at wind, but it is a section on my web site. Hakan At 19:06 08/12/2006, you wrote: Hi Hakan; I bet the pulley on the
Re: [Biofuel] FDA sued over mercury in medicines
Hi, the more I hear about the 'FREE' Trade agreement our illustrious PM organised with the yanks, the more I have to agree with you. We did not get as good a deal as the Mexicans or Canadians! ( they are complaining). Once we get a 'real' Australian Government in power, at least we can tear up that agreement with 6 months notice. (We need Green Power I think: the other bunch of turkeys are just as bad as the conservatives!) regards Doug On Wednesday 15 November 2006 9:53, leo bunyan wrote: Amerians arn't the only naive people on the planet Australians are doing a good job of being just as if not more naive Something we seem to be proud of Sigh Sigh Leo Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FDA is the enforcement arm of the AMA. They take care of the competition. The public be damned. Americans have to be the most naive people in the western world. Sigh Kirk D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder how the FDA will wiggle out of this lawsuit. Peace, D. Mindock --- --- http://www.aapsonline.org/nod/newsofday357.php News of the Day ... In Perspective11/13/2006 FDA sued over mercury in medicines On Oct 27, the Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs (CoMeD) filed an amended complaint in U.S. federal court, disputing a Sept 26 FDA response defending the use of mercury in medications. The lawsuit, originally filed in August 2006, asks the court to force the FDA to comply with existing law and regulations and provide proof of the safety and efficacy of mercury in drugs. The suit was filed because the FDA failed to answer issues raised in a citizen petition filed on Aug 4, 2004, by CoMeD representatives. Mercury is found in at least 45 different prescribed or over-the-counter drugs, including eye ointments, nasal sprays, and vaccines, most importantly, flu vaccines administered to children and pregnant women. In a 1999 internal email, obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, an FDA official wrote that the agencys failure to evaluate the cumulative amount of mercury in medicine will raise questions about FDA being asleep at the switch for decades by allowing a potentially hazardous compound to remain and not forcing manufacturers to exclude it from new products . In a second email, the same official wrote: the greatest point of vulnerability on this issue is that the systematic review by the FDA could have been done years ago and on an ongoing basis. In a letter by FDA Acting Assistant Commissioner for Policy Jeffrey Shuren, denying the CoMeD petition, the admission that the FDA had no substantive evidence confirming the safety of mercury in medicine was stunning, stated CoMeD. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump
Hi, I was using an old medical vac pump, had issues with lube. You can draw the vacuum via a catch container, then introduce some drops of oil after the catch bottle (ie with a T piece in the line, a feed of oil with a needle valve so it can be adjusted.Oil feed between the catch container, the pump.) Biodiesel, or veg oil should be ok. The other type of pump that needs lubrication is automotive vacuum pumps, ie off a diesel motor. regards Doug On Wednesday 08 November 2006 1:06, Joe Street wrote: Hi Al; I'm curious now about the details. Do you have any feeling about what the throughput of that compressor is when used as a vacuum pump? I typically remove about 250 ml of water from oil by vacuum drying ( any settled water was drained after heating to 58 deg C prior to this so it is all adsorbed water) from 25 litres of oil or about 1 percent. It takes about half an hour to reach 28 Hg vacuum. But my pump is highly throttled for most of that time except at the end to prevent boilover. I could use a smaller pump I guess. How does this compare to your findings? What ultimate vacuum do you reach? What steps do you take to keep moisture out of the pump during this process? How long does the pump last before it fails? I see you're Canadian, are you in the KW area? KW surplus had a whole bunch of brand new refrigeration type compressors for 10 bucks each. I almost bought one but decided to check first with a HVAC guy I know and he felt it wouldn't last long since it apparently relies on lubrication which is disolved in the freon. Sounds like he was wrong. You say you've been doing this for 'quite a while' how long is that? Joe A. Lawrence wrote: I have been using a fridge compressor for quite a while now and yes, I roasted one, but that was due more to bungling and inexperience than any fault of the compressor... I find it to work superbly for vacuum drying of water from WVO... In fact, for anyone planning to use one, I would highly recommend it... As for any use involving methanol extraction, I would shy far away from that - there are much safer and better methods previously discussed... A big bonus is that they are usually free for the asking from appliance repair outfits, trash disposal companies etc. Just *be sure* that the refrigerant has been recovered. (Done by a refrigeration company) Any loss of that (the refrigerant) to the atmosphere will absolutely negate any of the good things we are trying to accomplish here... My 0.02¢ Cdn, Al - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, November 06, 2006 10:32 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Refrig. Compressor as a Vacuum Pump Hi Tom; Not for long. Refrigeration compressors rely on lubricant in the refrigerant charge and anyways you will always get some moisture or in the case of vacuum methanol recovery, some methanol that gets past the liquid trap and condenses in your vacuum pump. This would kill a refrig type compressor in short order I would guess. But why not use the refrigeration system to cool your condenser? That way you use some electricity instead of water for cooling and the condenser efficiency would be much better. Joe Thomas Kelly wrote: A couple of months ago a post suggested using a refrigerator compressor as a vacuum pump. I just accidentally destroyed the refrigerator that I had been using for my kegs of homebrewed beer. The compressor still works. Will it work as a vacuum pump on my processor? Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil
I have not read this article, but I was wondering if Yellowstone may be affected by globall warming? It would be catastrophic for the world if a few degrees warmer environment made Yellowstone more active. regards Doug (from the down side of the planet) On Saturday 28 October 2006 6:36, MK DuPree wrote: Hi Zeke...with a population that is exploding and with it the demand for limited resources doing same, how can anyone not expect that we will not only continue in the direction of the last 80 years, but accelerate in that direction? This thread has included the statement everything changes. It occurred to me, however, that indeed it does change, but never disappears. Is there solace in this thought? Obviously not for anyone who has identified totally with What a Wonderful World this is, er, was. Ah well, just in case anyone is still hanging on too dearly, you might check out http://bioresonant.com/news.htm. This author says the earth is preparing to explode. Now won't that be fun?!!! Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil At 9,300 feet elevation, I have little to worry about with regards to rising sea levels.But, the climate is already getting pretty wacky. I was talking to someone who's lived there for over 30 years, and he's seen the weather noticeably chance since then. The treeline is moving both up from the bottom due to hotter summers and drought, and down from the top due to colder winters, less snow to protect the trees, and wind. Permanent snowfields that used to be 200 foot thick along the divide around the turn of the century are almost gone now. We just got 22 inches of snow at my house wednesday night, which is normal for around 1900 or so, but for the last 80 years or so, it's been quite a bit less snow than the previous few hundred years. Alot of our infrastructure was built in the period of less snow, so it doesn't cope with the snow that well. If we actually get a normal winter, it's going to be hard. But if we continue in the direction of the last 80 years, water, both for cities, and for agriculture, is going to get pretty scarce here in Colorado. On 10/25/06, Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry, The projected rise in sea levels is about five metres (just over 16 feet) in the next 100 years. That gives us plenty of time to pick up our beach umbrellas and move back a few feet. Over 90 per cent of our population lives with a half-hour drive of the sea so the issue is one of great interest here. In my case it will bring the nearest tidal water (currently 300 yards away) to within a hundred yards of my front lawn and maybe take out a few of my grape vines. It's a worry I tell you. Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Hi Bob, New Zealand must be the perfect place to live. You have won awards for environmental projects and you are planting seeds to grow diesel trees. Congratulations. Those beaches you mentioned could be in trouble, though, when the sea rises. Terry Dyck From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:48:43 +1300 Jeez Mike, No, definitely not New Zealand, we've limited our population to four million and we only have an area just a little larger than the British Isles. Besides we've got an anti-nuclear policy and live under an ozone hole for much of the summer. Anyway we've got too much water and forest and mountains and stuff, the South Pole is just over the horizon, we've got all these beaches that nobody uses, deer and horses and pig that run wild, eels in every stream, fish coming out of our ears and sheep everywhere. You'd hate it. Trust me, Bob. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil See Stephen Leeb's The Coming Economic Collapse: How You Can Thrive When Oil Costs $200 a Barrel. Leeb would have us buying stocks in various companies because that's his business. The points he makes about why the price of oil must rise to levels far beyond we know today are my reason for directing our
Re: [Biofuel] Answer to Energy Crisis? Waste Not, Want Not
The early (heavy) CFLs were a non-semiconductor design, which took some time to come to full output. The newer electronic ones may use a higher frequency, which increases efficiency. They definitely start much faster. I have had failures on some electronic ones, due to transients on our power line. We are on the end of a spur line, at night the voltage can go well above specs. This could also be related to the batch of bad electrolytic capacitors that were around a few years ago. The scenario goes: up in the middle of the night to service the bladder, turn the light on poof! As I said, I havent had this issue for well over 12 months now. We also have the problem of 240v power, where most equipment is designed for 220v. This stresses components, if the voltage goes high, there is not as much margin. regards Doug On Saturday 28 October 2006 10:56, robert and benita rabello wrote: Paul S Cantrell wrote: What kind are you buying? There are very cheap, crappy ones and then there are Sylvania and Philips. I have never had one burn out in my house... We bought some very expensive 28 watt Panasonic full spectrum bulbs for our kitchen when we built our house. Two of them burned out within a year or so, and I've been unable to find a replacement source for them. After a LONG and frustrating search, I abandoned the Panasonics and went to a different brand. Also, we've had several small CFL's burn out in ceiling fixtures in our boy's rooms. On the other hand, I also have a handful of CFL's bought back in the early 1990's that are still going strong! Showerheads involve so much personal preference, that it is hard to get general acceptance of low-flow showerheads. The best strategy I've heard is to take note of the ones in hotel rooms, and when you find one you like, write down the type and go buy it. I use the lowest flow showerhead on the market. My response to the initial post is that if water is dispersed and I have to turn it up in order to feel warm, big deal . . . The water heater is set at a given temperature anyway. If I crank the hot water to feel warm, I'm simply using less COLD water to blend in for the desired temperature. Turn the water heater down and crank the valve up. More heat is wasted while that big tank of water is just sitting there, waiting for use, than is used in an eight minute hot shower with an ultra low-flow head. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Weather Makers
Hi, Tim Flannery is great. I have been watching a story (on TV) about Tim Flannery going down the Darling river, then down the Murray River. Very eye-opening. The Darling is now so dry that it barely runs. (This is a river that a century ago (ie 1800's) had Paddle steamers travelling up to Bourke, but Tim could barely get a Tinnie (ie a small Aluminium runabout) through. regards Doug On Saturday 14 October 2006 12:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Weather Makers is a book by Tim Flannery. It's about climate change. If you want a concise, readable book about a dense and confusing subject, here you go. If you are tired of debating the subject with those that wilfully remain ignorant and oblivious, I recommend you buy this book, read it, then lend it to your debating partner. It covers the subject at a high level, but with enough illustrative anecdotes at the detail level to keep it at a human level. Recommended. Darryl McMahon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford
Hi, do you define this as recycling? or getting your own back.. And to all the US citizens, I express my condolences about the spate of recent shootings in US Schools. Now why do we not have issues like this in Australia?? regards Doug On Wednesday 04 October 2006 1:18, Keith Addison wrote: http://eatthestate.org/ Eat the State! (September 14, 2006) Glow, River, Glow: Radioactive Leaks and Plumbers at Hanford Jeffrey St. Clair The outback of the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in eastern Washington State is called the T-Farm, a rolling expanse of high desert sloping toward the last untamed reaches of the Columbia River. The T stands for tanks, huge single-hulled containers buried some fifty feet beneath basalt volcanic rock and sand holding the lethal detritus of Hanford's fifty-year run as the nation's H-bomb factory. Those tanks had an expected lifespan of 35 years; the radioactive gumbo inside them has a half-life of 250,000 years. Dozens of those tanks have now started to corrode and leak, releasing the most toxic material on earth, plutonium- and uranium-contaminated sludge and liquid, on an inexorable path toward the Columbia, the world's most productive salmon fishery and the source of irrigation water for the farms and orchards of the Inland Empire, centered on Spokane in eastern Washington. Internal documents from the Department of Energy and various private contractors working at Hanford reveal that at least one million gallons of radioactive sludge has already leaked out of at least 67 different tanks. Those tanks and others continue to leak, and the leaks are getting much larger. One internal report shows the results from a borehole drilled into the ground between two of Hanford's largest tanks. Using gamma spectrometry, geologists detected a fifty-fold increase in contamination between 1996 and 2002. The leak from those tanks, and perhaps an underground pipeline, was described as insignificant a decade ago. Six years later that radioactive dribble had swelled up into a continuous plume of highly radioactive Cesium-137. Obviously, there's been a major radioactive breach from those tanks. But to date the Department of Energy has refused to publicly report the incident, even though it was reported by their own geologists. A few hundred yards away, a tank called TY-102, the third largest tank at Hanford, is also leaking. Radioactive water is draining out of this single-hulled container and a broken subsurface pipe into what geologists call the vadose zone, the stratum of subsurface soil just above the water table. In an internal 1998 report, the Grand Junction Office of the DOE detected significant contamination 42 to 52 feet below the surface and concluded in a memo to Hanford managers that the high levels of gamma radiation came from a subsurface source of Cesium-137, which likely resulted from leakage from tank TY-102. This alarming report was swiftly buried by Hanford officials. So too was the evidence of leakage at tanks TY-103 and TY-106. Instead, the DOE publicly declared that portion of the tank farm to be controlled, clean, and stable. No surprises here. The long-standing strategy of the DOE has been to conceal any evidence of radioactive leaking at Hanford, a policy that was excoriated in a 1980 internal review by the department's Inspector General, which concluded that Hanford's existing waste management policies and practices have themselves sufficed to keep publicity about possible tank leaks to a minimum. Needless to say, the Reagan years didn't augur a new forthrightness from the people who run Hanford. Seven years and several congressional hearings after the Inspector General's report was released, bureaucratic cover-up and public denial were still the DOE's operational reflex to any disturbing data bubbling up out of Hanford's boreholes. By 1987, Hanford officials had learned an important lesson in the art of concealment. The easiest way to avoid bad press and public hostility was simply to stop monitoring sites that seemed most likely to produce unpleasant information. It is now clear that the tanks began leaking as early as 1956, only a few years after the Atomic Energy Commission began pumping the poisonous sludge into the giant subterranean containers. It is also clear that the federal government covered up evidence of those leaks since the moment it learned of them. How many tanks are leaking? How far has the contamination spread? The DOE isn't talking. It isn't even looking for answers. But geologists estimated that the faster-migrating contaminants, such as uranium, will move from the groundwater beneath Hanford's central plateau to the Columbia in something around 25 years. That means that the first traces of radiated water could have started seeping into the Columbia in 2001. This reckless strategy persists. In a document called Official Characterization Plan of Hanford -
Re: [Biofuel] Closing Down the Garden
Dosen't it make the milk taste in the morning?? regards (TIC) Doug On Monday 02 October 2006 12:22, robert and benita rabello wrote: Fred Finch wrote: Did you show your guests the most personal way to apply your organic compost enhancement liquid? No. I am discreet about it. (I use a milk jug that's wrapped in paper, and I don't take it outside until it's dark.) My garden is working well also. I do not tell my Father-in-law about the organic compost enhancement liquid. He might have a heartattack on the spot if he knew. My father-in-law just laughs at me! But then, he grew up on a farm. The province of BC has turned his homestead into a provincial park. http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/bcparks/explore/parkpgs/blanket.html robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt
thanks, regards doug On Tuesday 26 September 2006 11:08, leo bunyan wrote: Doug swiss chard is available here in oz thru the more alternative seed networks like eden seeds or diggers seeds Leo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt
Noted. Here in Australia, Spinach Silver Beet are considered the same. Like my US fellow listers, I need to remember this is an international list. I should have said In Australia I wonder if Swiss chard is available in Australia? Does it have an Asian name? We eat many Asian vegetables now, due to the Chinese that have been here since the 1850s, more recently, most Asian cultures are represented. regards Doug On Tuesday 26 September 2006 2:11, Keith Addison wrote: Spinach (basically, as I think there may be different varieties)didn't know yer could smoke it! (Maybe Pop-Eye actually put it in his pipe!) regards Doug It's not actually spinach Doug, not even a relative. It's leaf beet, or Swiss chard - beetroot optimised for the leaf at the expense of the root, and a very good crop. We don't grow much spinach but we grow a lot of Swiss chard. The disadvantage of spinach is that it has a high oxalic acid content, and IIRC a month or two back we heard that cooking doesn't necessarily detoxify it. Swiss chard doesn't have any such problem, it's a great leaf vegetable, grows well, winter-hardy. (No THC either.) Pop-Eye must have been in the employ of a major spinach producer, IMHO - he ate it out of cans didn't he? I guess you'd need a good gimmick to sell lots of canned spinach. Maybe a dash of olive oyl helped blunten the effect of all that oxalic acid on his liver and kidneys. Best Keith On Monday 25 September 2006 5:21, D. Mindock wrote: Wow, now that is funny. Um, what is Silver Beet? asks this here gringo former toker. Thanks, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt Billy Bob said... Pot'll get you through times of no money better'n money'll get you through times of no pot. I been smoking pot ever' day for thirty years. Never got addicted yet. Old Aunty of mine was addicted to Silver Beet. Ate it every two hours. She was always mad but she died of dementia and left everything to her budgie. How f...d up is that? Hang on a minute. Dropped the pipe. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah. I used to be real uptight, ambitious, wear a suit. I think I was a rep or something. Now I got a cabin in the bush made out of old 44 gallon drums and stuff. Me and my old lady are gonna get some ferrets and rats. See, you can feed the ferrets on rats till they're big then skin 'em and feed the carcases to the rats. Totally enclosed system. Saw it in one of those Furry Freak Bros books. My old lady is going to make fur coats and we'll sell them in the markets if we can get the Kombi running. Satchmo was ripped to the tits all the time. Never got violent and man could that cat play the saxophone. Or was it the clarinet? Only guy I knew got violent on pot was this mate of mine who took to one of those Ronald MacDonald statues. Rammed a Chicken Salad right between those red lips. Reckoned the dressing was full of sugar. He's a Mayonnaise terrorist. How come Ronald wears lipstick? I wouldn't want him around my kids. Only time pot did me any harm was one Halloween when I got a bong stuck up me nose. We was letting off sticks of jelly and I got too close. Took a lot of explaining down the A E. Where was I? Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt when it comes to drugs, or herbs, or anything that impacts human physiology, the only reliable of measure of efficacy is reproducible, double blind, placebo controlled testing. Anything else is way to easy to manipulate (follow the money as I am told) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt
Spinach (basically, as I think there may be different varieties)didn't know yer could smoke it! (Maybe Pop-Eye actually put it in his pipe!) regards Doug On Monday 25 September 2006 5:21, D. Mindock wrote: Wow, now that is funny. Um, what is Silver Beet? asks this here gringo former toker. Thanks, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt Billy Bob said... Pot'll get you through times of no money better'n money'll get you through times of no pot. I been smoking pot ever' day for thirty years. Never got addicted yet. Old Aunty of mine was addicted to Silver Beet. Ate it every two hours. She was always mad but she died of dementia and left everything to her budgie. How f...d up is that? Hang on a minute. Dropped the pipe. Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah. I used to be real uptight, ambitious, wear a suit. I think I was a rep or something. Now I got a cabin in the bush made out of old 44 gallon drums and stuff. Me and my old lady are gonna get some ferrets and rats. See, you can feed the ferrets on rats till they're big then skin 'em and feed the carcases to the rats. Totally enclosed system. Saw it in one of those Furry Freak Bros books. My old lady is going to make fur coats and we'll sell them in the markets if we can get the Kombi running. Satchmo was ripped to the tits all the time. Never got violent and man could that cat play the saxophone. Or was it the clarinet? Only guy I knew got violent on pot was this mate of mine who took to one of those Ronald MacDonald statues. Rammed a Chicken Salad right between those red lips. Reckoned the dressing was full of sugar. He's a Mayonnaise terrorist. How come Ronald wears lipstick? I wouldn't want him around my kids. Only time pot did me any harm was one Halloween when I got a bong stuck up me nose. We was letting off sticks of jelly and I got too close. Took a lot of explaining down the A E. Where was I? Regards, Bob. - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] amazing himalayan salt when it comes to drugs, or herbs, or anything that impacts human physiology, the only reliable of measure of efficacy is reproducible, double blind, placebo controlled testing. Anything else is way to easy to manipulate (follow the money as I am told) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11
Hey people, I do not want to make a real issue of complaining BUT. I really think the 11 Sept has been done to overdone The mechanics of the building collapse, or even the day (which I read somewhere was a Jewish holiday anyway, otherwise the death toll would have been higher) is less significant when one considers where the conservative right wing radicals have taken the outcome. I feel that if another US president was in the chair, the manner of handling the public outcry could have been very different: imagine for a minute if the huge sums spent on the war had been spent helping some incredibly poor people of the world actually feel that they had hope. This would alleviate the festering wound, and help the good people in these areas be heard, instead of the negative thoughts the radical religious leaders are now spreading. I feel it is incredible that Iraq can now be a more dangerous place with a higher chance of being tortured than under Saddam Hussein. (Stated recently by a UN investigation) It is really time the Western world woke up to the true reasons for Terrorism. How long is it since we heard 'make Love, not War' regards Doug On Sunday 24 September 2006 3:53, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: While I believe building 7 is extremely important to look at I don't believe that it could be a key of importance. I'm also interested in the turn ability of an airplane from within the actual cockpit. There are multi-layers to be looked at .. and .. there isn't a cell in my body that believes that anything of real truth will be revealed in these life-times .. yours, mine, ours .. or in generations to come .. if there's any. Lies and secrets last generations upon generations .. history is written by the victor .. and victors usually have a great deal to hide. Take a look at our ideas of Druid and Inca culture and their human sacrifice .. and how many generations ago was that .. and if you don't know I will tell you that the majority of what we know today about the Druid's was written by the Roman conquerors and the majority of what we know today about the Inca civilization was written by the Spaniards. Propaganda is an extremely old tool. Mary Lynn Rev. Mary Lynn Schmidt, Ordained Minister ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Reiki . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Animal Behavior Modification . Shamanic Spiritual Travel . Behavior Problems . Psionic Energy Practitioner . Radionics . Herbs . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Polarity . The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ http://allcreatureconnections.org From: Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:53:27 + Building 7 is the key investigation to look at. The FBI reports could be the reason for the entire 9/11 event. Remember the movie Missing with the actor Jack Lemon. It was a true story about how the CIA performed unbelievable horible acts of murder in order to keep the big business companies of USA rich. Terry Dyck From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:38:16 -0500 Bldg 7 fell in the same controlled fashion even though of different construction method. It was hit by debris but not an airliner. Bldg 7 was not mentioned in the 9/11 commission report. Why? It was a big building, 47 stories, loaded with FBI files on Enron and other cases. No steel framed building before or since 9/11 has ever fallen due to fire. Some buildings were ablaze for seventeen hours, still no failure. If one looks at the totality of 9/11 and the numerous conflicts between the official story and the actual evidence, it is easily concluded that the government is lying to the American people. Remember too how fiercely the Bush regime fought the establishment of the commission to investigate 9/11. They do not want the truth to be told and much prefer their own reality. 9/11 could not have happened without goverment complicity. Peace, D. Mindock - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WHAT REALLY HAPPENED ON SEPT 11 D. Mindock wrote: Robert, The towers and bldg 7 are just part of a larger puzzle. You want to believe the buildings all fell down the same exact way, go ahead. They didn't fall in the exact same way, but the reasons they collapsed are similar. I've explained this in another post. But what of the numerous explosions throughout the buildings after they were hit by the airliners and before they fell?
Re: [Biofuel] Bring loaded firearms aboard
I feel I really need to give the Australian Perspective on this: I have to disagree with Chip. I was raised around the premise that guns are unnecessary. I live in Australia where we have had gun removal legislation for many years. I have never felt the need to own a gun, I do not know anyone who actually does. Contrary to pro-gun propaganda, I don't find myself roaming the streets looking for a confrontation. I have prepared myself and never needed the tools to defend myself, my family and others if need be. I just hope that day will never come. If it does, I will be ready. I feel my family is much safer with neither our family, or any of my neighbors owning firearms. (Some farmers own guns, but the guns are usually small bore single shot, must be stored in a lockable steel gun case.) I can honestly say I would be very worried that another passenger on a plane (or really in any situation) was armed. regards Doug PS: the Australian murder rate is a small fraction of the (percentage) rate in the US. It takes some guts to stab someone, or bash them. Anyone can pull a trigger if they have access to a firearm. On Thursday 21 September 2006 5:11, Jason Schick wrote: I have to agree with Chip. I was also raised around guns. I live in Arizona where we have had concealed carry legislation for many years. I have a permit and carry 95% of the time. Contrary to anti-gun propaganda, I don't find myself roaming the streets looking for a confrontation. I have prepared myself and given myself the tools to defend myself, my family and others if need be. I just hope that day will never come. If it does, I will be ready. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ranchers Decry Grass-Fed Beef Rule Plan
Hi, here in Australia, very little beef is grain fed on feedlots. The majority is grazed on open grassland. The beef is outside all year, because it is warm enough all year. regards Doug On Tuesday 19 September 2006 5:48, D. Mindock wrote: More hanky panky from a gov agency that protects Big Ag instead of we the people and the small ranches and farms. Peace, D. Mindock = http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/09/03/financial/f1244 09D52.DTLhw=dietsn=003sc=737 Ranchers Decry Grass-Fed Beef Rule Plan By LIBBY QUAID, AP Food and Farm Writer Sunday, September 3, 2006 (09-03) 12:44 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- Meat-eaters usually assume a grass-fed steak came from cattle contentedly grazing for most of their lives on lush pastures, not crowded into feedlots. If the government has its way, the grass-fed label could be used to sell beef that didn't roam the range and ate more than just grass. The Agriculture Department has proposed a standard for grass-fed meat that doesn't say animals need pasture and that broadly defines grass to include things like leftovers from harvested crops. Critics say the proposal is so loose that it would let more conventional ranchers slap a grass-fed label on their beef, too. In the eye of the consumer, grass-fed is tied to open pasture-raised animals, not confinement or feedlot animals, said Patricia Whisnant, a Missouri rancher who heads the American Grassfed Association. In the consumer's eye, you're going to lose the integrity of what the term 'grass-fed' means. All beef cattle graze on grass at the beginning of their lives. The difference generally is that grass-fed beef herds graze in pastures, while conventional cattle spend the last three or four months of their lives being fattened with corn or other grains in feedlots. People buy grass-fed beef for many reasons: They want to avoid antibiotics commonly used in feedlots, they think it's healthier, or they like the idea of supporting local farms and ranches. Grass-fed beef is a leaner meat; fat tends to form around the muscle. With conventional corn-fed beef, the fat streaks the muscle in marble-like patterns. When you eat steak that is corn-finished, there's a mouthfeel that you get specifically from the fat; it hangs there in the palate for quite awhile, said Thom Fox, the chef at Acme Chophouse in San Francisco and a member of the Chefs Collaborative. Grass-fed beef tends to have a much quicker finish. The taste lasts for a few minutes and cleans itself off very fast, Fox said. Demand for grass-fed products is intense and producers are responding. By Whisnant's estimate, the number of farms has grown from about 40 seven years ago to around 1,000 today. With so many producers rushing into the market, the definition of grass-fed varies. Some meat is sold as grass-fed when grass is only part of the animal's diet. Confusion has resulted. A survey by the National Cattlemen's Beef Association found that half of consumers had heard of grass-fed beef, but only 28 percent believed it came from cows that grazed on grass their whole lives. Sixty percent thought the cows also ate other things, such as oats, corn, hay and alfalfa. The awareness is there, but yet I think there is confusion, said Leah Wilkinson, food policy director for NCBA. We want them to come out with something that won't be misleading to consumers. Producers who keep cattle on pasture began asking the Agriculture Department in the late 1990s to set standards to help sell their beef as truly grass-fed. They want to send clear marketing signals to consumers inundated by things like organic, natural, certified humane or hormone-free. The department has tried to come up with rules ever since, but it's a bureaucratic process that can take years. Officials have proposed standards twice now, in 2002 and again this year, that were greeted with protests from the industry. Before a deadline for written comments last month, the department was inundated with more than 17,000 responses to its proposal. The department is reluctant to regulate a cow's time spent grazing because some parts of the country might suffer weather extremes that stress pastures, said William Sessions, associate deputy administrator of the department's livestock and seed program. So officials provided leeway by proposing that only 99 percent, rather than 100 percent, of a cow's diet come from grass forage, and by defining forage more broadly to include things like leftover corn stalks from harvest and silage, which is fermented grasses and legumes. With the geographic diversity found in the U.S., a farmer or rancher in Minnesota is going to have a little bit different grass-fed scheme than, say, one that's located in Alabama, in the South where year-round grazing is available, Sessions said. What we tried to do with this grass-fed
Re: [Biofuel] was..Bring loaded firearms aboard
.more likely a conservative blammer! regards D On Wednesday 20 September 2006 5:51, AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Yes, I can imagine 2 passengers having a few drinks, then getting in to an arguement about something. One of them politely asks a flight attendant for a few rounds to take out the other one...what fun. I think I'll pass on those flights as well. Was this nut case, a conservative blogger by any chance? regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bring loaded firearms aboard Sent: 18 Sep '06 12:43 guns and liquor, now there is a winning combination. I'll pass on that flight. Chip Mefford wrote: D. Mindock wrote: Garrison makes some good points. Peace, D. Mindock --interesting read snipped. Once upon a time, not so very long ago, I recall some blogger or loudmouth going on and on about his idea for an air line. This would be an international airline. The deal was, 1)You can bring your own sidearm, you just have to use our ammo** 2) You can drink on our airline. 3) you can smoke cigars,cigarettes,pipe in our smoking lounge. 4) Once over international air-space, you can smoke pot/hash on board our airline. (in our smoking lounge) 5)you can handcarry your baggage. **ammo would be standard stuff with a turned nylon slug, which is lethal at close range, but has very very poor penetration. Now, as to how you get legal pot/hash aboard in the first place, I have no idea. But I thought it was interesting. His point was, you could charge whatever you wanted for fares, and would probably solid-book every flight, and in fact, have huge waiting lists. I know I'd fly this airline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists. org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: The Great Bird Flu HOAX...please read and passalong
Hi, I buy chicken Frames for my pets. These are chicken carcases with all the meaty bits trimmed off (but still leaving plenty of meat). I break the frame into 3 pieces: neck top backbone, lower backbone, ribcage. I feed my average size dog 2 pieces a day, + kitchen scraps. The frames cost me $Aus9 for 10 Kg: very economical. regards Doug On Friday 15 September 2006 4:18, Marylynn Schmidt wrote: I also trust Dr.Mercola and several others to publish papers and studies not funded and controlled by the profit makers .. but I would expand the controlling entities beyond the FDA, AMA, and Big Pharma to include USDA and their NAIS .. the count of animals in America was requested by the private meat industry and not by any government agency. During the BIG SCARE about the Bird Flu we all could open a newspaper, magazine or turn on the tv and see men in white suits running all over the country side grabbing chickens and ducks by the necks and stuffing them in big bags because of SUSPECTED Bird Flu .. a loose guess on my part is that 100% of these birds belonged to small families and represented their ability to financially support themselves and their families. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc
Hi, I knew a Mensa member once. I was smarter than him: I didn't join! (ie I fully agree with you) regards Doug PS: I thought I was real smart when I got a good score on a web based IQ test. My son did the same test, got about 5 points more than I. Consequently, I never mention Intelligence or IQ any more! (Kids- you gotta love 'em) On Friday 15 September 2006 3:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, Back in '66 just after returning from the Nam I was hanging out with college kids and this prof who they hung out with started telling me about mensa and asked me if I wanted to test. I did test and was invited to join but first was invited to one of their meetings to check it out. Turned out that all these geniuses had all the answers to the problem in the Nam and that everyone else was just ignorant. That was enough for me. A bunch of arrogant clowns is what I found. Never set a foot in the Nam but knew all the answers. A partner of mine from the Detroit area tested a couple of years ago and did join but without going to a meeting first. He spent 1 year as a member and attended 2 of their meetings before coming to the same conclusion I had back in '66. Seems times had changed but mensa hadn't. All that being said, it is still wise to remember not to judge a book by its cover. There may be some decent ones out there. Happy Happy, Gustl On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:35:49 -0700 A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't really think he's Mensa level do you?? I think Keith nailed it with his comments about sociopathy... they too, are out there and have opinions - which unfortunately are often skewed by their disorder (when untreated) Life as we know it, goes on... - Original Message - From: Fred Finch To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc On 9/13/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're a noble man Fred. Sorry to say the chances of it happening would have been zilch. Would have been because it's too late for that, it went too far. I doubt an apology would have been acceptable anyway. Regards Keith I like to think that given a chance he might have come around. Alas, the decision has been made. This is the second Mensa clown that stumbled to the group only to make an ass out of himself. Why is that? Is there a requirement that you have to be heartless and souless to become a member? Perhaps they are too smart for their own good, fred On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just have to say, I think its rather funny that my personal beliefs can cause such a shit storm -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] lelists.org [mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]biofuel-bounces@ sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of David Penfold Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:43 AM To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc Thor, it's not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would be perfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to get your oil. You're a small-minded idiot. Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:58:24 -0700 From: Thor Burfine mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ced72aa8928b4ffdb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work is done From: bob allen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:44 AM To: mailto: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney so mensa is a society for the insensitive, even cruel? Thor Burfine wrote: Actually, Mensa I just don't give a shi.. *From*: Fred Finch *Sent*: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:54 AM *To*: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject*: Re: [Biofuel] Disney And
Re: [Biofuel] Old Peugeots
Actually driving a 1994 Pug 405 I can answer a bit: Hoses etc should be OK. The Injector pump will eventually fail if it has not been reconditioned already. I doubt the pump would be original, because the low sulphur fuels also kills seals. Even if the pump leaks it will give plenty of warning. Eventually the fuel pours out of the shaft seal, but the car till runs. (This happened to me: I have 2x P405s, both pumps failed together: just unlucky) One thing to watch is the 'valve' under the fuel filter. If you look you will see a serrated retainer holding a plastic part, on the lower side of the fuel filter that is at the front of the motor. Pop this out replace the O rings on it, refit. If this fails, you get a drip of diesel showing, but the system drains at night, causing starting problems. (Even the Diesel mechanic took ages to pin that one down). I suggest changing the oil every 5K Kms, the oil filter every 10K. My oldest 405 has 320,000 Km on it now, still runs like a train. I get 15-17 Km/litre, I drive it like a sports car. Coolant is important: I use genuine Peugeot because you seem to get less problems. The heater core, in particular is an absolute pain to replace. (If ever this happens to leak, the Peugeot club in Canberra, NSW, Australia has a way to replace the core without removing the dashboard: bit of fiddling, but well worth the effort.) I use aftermarket oil filters (Donaldson), but have yet to find an aftermarket fuel filter. The motors always blow a bit of oil into the corner of the air filter. It is worth getting a washable air filter. There is a good Australian site for French cars: Aussie Frogs. regards Doug On Monday 14 August 2006 9:18, Keith Addison wrote: Hi all, I have just acquired an old 1991 Peugeot 405 turbodiesel. Does anyone have any experience of how long the fuel lines and pump seals may last if I run B100 ? Also anyone know of a UK supplier for viton seal kits? Cheers, Bob Hi Bob For 1991 you're unlikely to have problems, especially not with the fuel lines. But that presumes you're using top-quality B100. Don't assume that commercially produced fuel is necessarily top-quality, there are too many cases in both Europe and the US of that not being the case. See what it says about quality here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#qual1 Biodiesel and your vehicle Quality Anyway if you do have problems with seals it won't be sudden, you'll have enough warning, so just go ahead and do it, IMHO. Could be wrong, but I wouldn't bother to lay in a set of Viton seals for a 1991 Peugeot just in case. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Don't Become a Scientist!
I also see some evidence of this in Australia. I work in a hospital, maintaining Medical eqpt. My Biomedical engineer (whose job is to make sure everything is kept within standards, perform risk analysis) is not even proficient at shuffling papers! My son is studying science. He will probably become a teacher. There is a huge shortage of science teachers. I really get worried when we see all our manufacturing going East, now our Design skills also. How long can the standard of living be propped up in countries like the US? regards Doug On Tuesday 15 August 2006 2:06, Kirk McLoren wrote: Nursing will be king as the baby boomers get infirm. Then tons of unemployment I suppose. Think of all the good deals on used cars though. ;) Kirk Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O.K. so, we've covered scientist, doctor... I was laid off from my latest engineering job last year and said to Hell with that! My last few positions as a product design engineer were in title only. It's not unusual for a company to hire an engineer, not have the foggiest notion what to do with one, and end up having him/her become a documentation specialist, filing stuff all day and writing reports. I am the chairperson of a local section of ASME (but, not for long) and many that I've talked to, tell their children not to pursue engineering as a career choice. The bureau of labor statistics often lists manufacturing as the only category having a negative number. The new jobs are as follows: professional and business services, 27,000; education and health services, 41,000; waitresses and bartenders, 10,000. Manufacturing lost 14,000 jobs. From: The Death of US Engineering, by Paul Craig Roberts http://counterpunch.org/roberts06062006.html What's left? Hmmm... Ah yes. Lawyers! -Redler Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd skip medicine too. The school debt is staggering and they work you to death for not that much money. When you calculate the number of hours you work, the amount needed to pay of your loans it's not such a great living. My sister is a doctor and she's sure not getting rich, or even close. D. Mindock wrote: http://www.physics.wustl.edu/~katz/scientist.html Don't Become a Scientist! Jonathan I. Katz Professor of Physics Washington University, St. Louis, Mo. [my last [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you thinking of becoming a scientist? Do you want to uncover the mysteries of nature, perform experiments or carry out calculations to learn how the world works? Forget it! [snip]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why genetic engineering is dangerous
On Monday 07 August 2006 8:39, Guag Meister wrote: I tend to agree with you. Imagine a simple molecule such as caused Thalidomide. Even worse imagine a molecule that affected a gene contained in a single racial type. (Maybe we should start looking for a distinct gene in crooked pollies! ..known as the greed gene.) regards Doug While I agree wholeheartedly with the basis of the post, these types of posts seem to suggest that GM would be OK if all the problems with the environment and harmful effects could be solved. Sorry for repeating myself ad nausium, but GM is still incredibly dangerous even if there were NO harmful effects at all and they actually did produce bumper crops. Why? Answer : By purchasing and using GM products, we are supporting and allowing the GM industry to proliferate in knowledge, equipment, and people who know how to use it. And there has never been a single instance where a new technology has not been siezed by the military (and ordinary people as well) and examined for every possible method to harm and kill people. In addition to the military, sadly some people have bad intentions. For a small example, consider how many computer viruses there are. Who writes a computer virus and for what purpose? Some are for marketing and some are solely destructive. These poeple have taken a positive force (computers) and turned it into a highly negative and destructive force. These posts worry about accidental side effects. I am talking about deliberately designing an organism whose effect will be to kill people (either through disease or starvation or some other mechanism). So don't worry so much about the accidental side effects (which undoubtedly can be significant). Worry much more about the deliberate side effects from militaty usage where the goal is to kill people. If the accidental side effects of GM are disastrous, how much more so will the results of deliberate harmful and destructive actions by individuals or the military? BR Peter G. Thailand __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
This seems to match my thoughts as well. I have held back because I feel I cannot take sides in this conflict. I really feel for the Palestinians. I also really feel for the minority of Israelis who would like peace with the Arab states. I hope for all our sakes that a peaceful resolution is found where both sides can save face, otherwise I can see no end to the hate between Western nations the people of the Islamic faith. I really feel sorry for the minority of Moslems in Australia, who are beginning to see the start of anti Islam sentiment in Australia. Most of these people are peace loving as are the majority of Australians. Unfortunately, our government seems to be blindly following the policies of the US, with no thought to the consequences of relations with our crowded Islamic neighbor, Indonesia. regards Doug On Sunday 23 July 2006 5:35, Keith Addison wrote: Once again I'm much in agreement with Bill Blum. He seems to get inundated by a lot of the arguments that happen here too. (Poor guy.) I think we've had all this stuff now that he debunks, and more, not for the first time, and it's tiresome. Please see next. Thankyou. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner http://members.aol.com/bblum6/aer35.htm The Anti-Empire Report Some things you need to know before the world ends July 22, 2006 by William Blum The End Is Near, but first, this commercial. There are times when I think that this tired old world has gone on a few years too long. What's happening in the Middle East is so depressing. Most discussions of the eternal Israel-Palestine conflict are variations on the child's eternal defense for misbehavior -- He started it! Within a few minutes of discussing/arguing the latest manifestation of the conflict the participants are back to 1967, then 1948, then biblical times. I don't wish to get entangled in who started the current mess. I would like instead to first express what I see as two essential underlying facts of life which remain from one conflict to the next: 1) Israel's existence is not at stake and hasn't been so for decades, if it ever was, regardless of the many de rigueur militant statements by Arab leaders over the years. If Israel would learn to deal with its neighbors in a non-expansionist, non-military, humane, and respectful manner, engage in full prisoner exchanges, and sincerely strive for a viable two-state solution, even those who are opposed to the idea of a state based on a particular religion could accept the state of Israel, and the question of its right to exist would scarcely arise in people's minds. But as it is, Israel still uses the issue as a justification for its behavior, as Jews all over the world use the Holocaust and conflating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. 2) In a conflict between a thousand-pound gorilla and a mouse, it's the gorilla which has to make concessions in order for the two sides to progress to the next level. What can the Palestinians offer in the way of concession? Israel would reply to that question: No violent attacks of any kind. But that would still leave the status quo ante bellum -- a life of unmitigated misery for the Palestinian people forced upon them by Israel. Peace without justice. Israel's declarations about the absolute unacceptability of one of their soldiers being held captive by the Palestinians, or two soldiers being held by Hezbollah in Lebanon, cannot be taken too seriously when Israel is holding literally thousands of captured Palestinians, many for years, typically without any due process, many tortured; as well as holding a number of prominent Hezbollah members. A few years ago, if not still now, Israel wrote numbers on some of the Palestinian prisoners' arms and foreheads, using blue markers, a practice that is of course reminiscent of the Nazis' treatment of Jews in World War II. [1] Israel's real aim, and that of Washington, is the overthrow of the Hamas government in Palestine, the government that came to power in January through a clearly democratic process, the democracy that the Western democracies never tire of celebrating, except when the result doesn't please them. Is there a stronger word than hypocrisy? There is now no Hamas government, declared a senior US official a week ago, eight cabinet ministers or 30 percent of the government is in jail [kidnapped by Israel], another 30 percent is in hiding, and the other 30 percent is doing very little.[2] To make the government-disappearance act even more Orwellian, we have Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, speaking in late June about Iraq: This is the only legitimately elected government in the Middle East with a possible exception of Lebanon.[3] What's next, gathering in front of the Big Telescreen for the Two Minutes Hate?
Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?
As an option, why not consider buying power off your neighbour (in lieu of running a diesel genset), cabling the system permanently underground, and using an off-grid system to supplement. This way, in periods of clouds, you could charge off the grid, and use the grid connection for low power items like refrigeration. The cable is not very big to run a 300m 220v, 20 A system. Costs go up as the cable size/current draw increases. regards Doug On Tuesday 18 July 2006 1:27, Ken Provost wrote: On Jul 17, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Appal Energy wrote: .. you need to size your consumption and determine where you can shave peak and continual use to determine your final costs. There may be no inconvenience to tolerate. I actually did all that last year, but I believe I was not sufficiently daring. After some more research and considering all the great inputs from the group, I believe an offgrid PV system of around 2000 watts nominal, with some batteries and a 5kW genset, can be had for nearly the same $ as PGE wants. With some careful planning, my needs should be covered in the summer without running the genset much if at all. I'm kind of curious though. If you don't have electricity to the manger yet, and you're technically already off the grid by virtue of not having any substitute as of yet, just what have you been doing for power up to this point? 10 awg extension cord 300 feet to a 20A outlet in the neighbor's garage :-) Or are you still applying the earth plaster and getting ready to wire the building? Garage is done, house is up to floor joists -- garage bales are lime plastered, and the wiring is done, from the (as yet unconnected) breaker box... Personally? You'll be a much happier camper if you stay off the grid. Mainstream isn't where it's at. For people who seem to have your penchant, me thinks you'd always kick yourself in the butt for not having a go at it right out of the chute. I think you're spot on there -- after all the financial analysis and the amps and watts, it comes down to lifestyle and spiritual issues, like so much else. Thanks again for your (and everyone's) inputs on this. I'll let you know how it plays out... -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View
We have a local shrub also (little man trying to be like ( liked) by George...) There is some GM in Aust, but it seems not to have a toe-hold. I was wondering, with our govt signing the US FTA (Free (as in not...) Trade Agreement) if the EPA laws that have been watered in the US will be introduced to Australia?? regards Doug On Wednesday 14 June 2006 11:20, Chris Lloyd wrote: But for the contamination: they are fed on genetically modified protein: would you trust it??) No, I do my best never to eat any GM products but it's not easy with the US pushing GM products and out stupid PM acting as Bushes puppet. Luckily there is a large proportion of the population that is anti GM and most supermarkets don't want to loose trade. One brewer even started using GM Soya in its beer, funnily enough consumption crashed. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View
I think the influence is more evil than ANZAS. I think the US has a stranglehold over our pollies. There was a rumour that the last time Australia stood up to the US, our $A nosedived. The rumour was that unless we behaved, it would keep going down. Look too at the rollercoaster ride of the $NZ. It has taken NZ years to recover. regards Doug On Thursday 15 June 2006 7:51, leo bunyan wrote: Hi Doug It's not a matter of if the EPA laws will be introduced in Oz but When. I saw a journalist on the telly the other night that said what happens in the US follows on to Aust. We now have fire ants in Oz that came from 2nd hand Agriculture equipment imported from the States because when we complained that the quarantine standards from the States might be a bit slack the States accussed us of being difficult to get a long with now we didn't want to offend our ANZAS treaty partner so we just deciced best we let them in. The same is going to happen with GM Pity Leo Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a local shrub also (little man trying to be like ( liked) by George...) There is some GM in Aust, but it seems not to have a toe-hold. I was wondering, with our govt signing the US FTA (Free (as in not...) Trade Agreement) if the EPA laws that have been watered in the US will be introduced to Australia?? regards Doug On Wednesday 14 June 2006 11:20, Chris Lloyd wrote: But for the contamination: they are fed on genetically modified protein: would you trust it??) No, I do my best never to eat any GM products but it's not easy with the US pushing GM products and out stupid PM acting as Bushes puppet. Luckily there is a large proportion of the population that is anti GM and most supermarkets don't want to loose trade. One brewer even started using GM Soya in its beer, funnily enough consumption crashed. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
Actually, the web tools, web servers are one of Linux's strengths. Google is the largest network of Linux computers in the world. Servers, Internet are Linux domains. The desktop is currently its (perceived) weakness. The reality is completely different (ie Linux is great on the desktop: how many systems can have over 100 web pages open at once, still perform reasonably well, not ever crash.) I really abhor working on that other OS at work! regards Doug On Tuesday 13 June 2006 4:24, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Mike Weaver I know OSX is UNIX, but it took Apple four or five years after release for the tweaking to produce a really good OS. And I still don't use OSX, though I'm being forced in that direction, but who needs an entire software upgrade/replacement? I'll install OSX in the end and mostly run OS9 with it, for a long time to come I expect. From what I've seen of such things I wouldn't be too happy about entrusting the JtF site to a GoLive that's been tweaked for Linux, or not until it was as solid as say Mailman. Anyway, the original argument falls away, if OSX is UNIX anyway, then why use Linux? That human face is of a grown-up, not a kid, and whether it's UNIX or OS9 it saves me a a large amount of non-negotiable time. Either way I'd still have this current graphics conversion problem. Best Keith Actually, Mac OSX is really just UNIX, in the form of tweaked FreeBSD. All the Adobe stuff would run on Linux as well as they run on OSX, but Adobe (I suspect due the the not so gentle prodding of MS and perhaps Apple) has chosen not too release Linux versions. Anyting that runs on OSX would run on Linux with very little work, probably just a recompile... OSX is *nix with a human face Keith Addison wrote: Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. : this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of Windoze docs, but not this time. Would anyone be able to get tiff's or jpg's or gif's out of an MS Visio doc if I sent them the file? Thanks much Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] The Ethics of Eating Meat: A Radical View
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 6:36, Chris Lloyd wrote: Save the animals and stop wasting water by using it for irrigation, legalize murder and encourage cannibalism. Problem solved, how's that for radical? Chris. the fattest, juiciest ones come from southern N America! (But for the contamination: they are fed on genetically modified protein: would you trust it??) regards An Aussie who likes a reasonable amount of our grass fed beef! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help with graphics
Keith, I have to agree with you that Linux is possibly not yet for every desktop. I have used Linux for 6 years now. It has a tremendous support network (much better than its commercial competitors.) There are some jobs that are handled differently to the M$ product, unfortunately it is a learning curve. However, the problems I find moving from one version of M$ Word for instance, is no more than I find learning about a Linux package! I personally use Mepis Linux, which I find has everything most people require all on one CD. There are other distributions equally as good. The thing that has surprised me is that the myriad of Virii, Trojans, and other malicious software that seems to attack M$ products, has not rung alarm bells with the average consumer, and made them investigate alternatives. I think this will happen. I am already seeing friends who have no interest in computers, now firing up a live Linux distribution to browse on the web, and read emails. This tends to minimise the risk of a virus afflicting the M$ system living on the harddrive. Macs now use BSD as their operating system. BSD is similar to Linux (and to other Unix's.) Can any Mac users tell me if there are Mac viruses now? With the security of BSD I would doubt it. regards Doug (a linux die-hard) On Monday 12 June 2006 5:59, Keith Addison wrote: Wotcha Weaver Linux. I don't think so Mike. Macs are highly developed, I think it'll be awhile before I could do with Linux what I do with a Mac, and as easily and quickly. I'm sure I'll get arguments from the Linux freaks, but I'm on your side, I don't think Macs and Linux are in competition. IMHO the Linux user base just isn't big enough yet, it's only a fifth as big as Macs (which is hugely outnumbered by Windoze). Put an interface on it that's the equal of OSX, or even OS8, with software to match, or with software that can migrate, and I'll probably do Linux too. Right now you still have to be a geek, it's half-baked. IMHO. Tell me again when I can just do the work fast without having to think about what the computer might prefer so you keep tripping over the damn' thing. Linux for people who don't like computers, and don't really want to know exactly how the fridge works either just as long as it keeps stuff cold without making a fuss about it. Speed the day. (No that doesn't mean I want a FuelMeister! LOL!) If I'm wrong about it, hooray, but then please confirm that Linux can do GoLive, or any equivalent that can handle a 1000-page website as fast and seamlessly. Then it'll have to get that much better that it's worth the move. Best Keith Keith Addison wrote: Uh-oh... sorry, I didn't notice the mac part in your mail... :-) My innocence of things MS is but a small sacrifice. : this converter is Windoz sw. Send me the visio file and I'll have a go at it. Chandan Thankyou Chandan, I'll send it right now. I'll send it to Hakan too, as he has an old version of visio itself. It's a new design for a Turk burner, but I can't follow the text description without the graphics. If it works as claimed I'll upload it. Thanks again, all best Keith Chandan Haldar wrote: Keith, You might like to download the 30-day eval copy of this converter: http://www.processtext.com/abcvisio.html which converts visio vector graphics drawings to many image or pdf formats. As far as I can see, it installs and runs fine, but I couldn't find a visio file to try it out. Cheers. Chandan Keith Addison wrote: Hello all Someone sent me some interesting diagrams, but I can't extract them. He said: the diagrams i have are microsoft visio doc.s but they may convert to html. We use Macs and I can usually get stuff out of Windoze docs, but not this time. Would anyone be able to get tiff's or jpg's or gif's out of an MS Visio doc if I sent them the file? Thanks much Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] an apology
At times we all go through periods of stress or depression. On another (motorcycle) list I am on, we had a member suicide. Looking back now I can see the pain this particular person went through. It is incredibly difficult to reach people through the net to help them, and the geographical distances make matters worse. I am glad that Mike is coming to terms with his problems, and I feel this is the start of the real healing process. I personally have suffered from Depression in the last few years (That was to do with feeling 'trapped' in a job (being in the country) and having a boss that was playing nasty psychological games with his staff. I had always been one to dismiss depression as something that people should be able to 'get out of', but having been there myself, I found it extremely psychologically debilitating. The reason I brought this up is that when one is suffering from stress, depression, etc, one of the ways it manifests itself to the outside world is as aggression. This aggression is often mental, not physical. Anyway, Mike, if you have read this far I hope that you can get from me that there is always hope. There are a number of sites on the web explaining some elements of what we may feel at some times. (Google around a bit). However the main thing is that we are all friends, and if anyone feels that some things they wish to discuss are not suitable for the list, I am sure that personal contact via email is appropriate. regards Doug On Tuesday 06 June 2006 9:36, Ken Provost wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:18 PM, Mike Redler wrote: Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks Apology accepted (even tho it was never MYSELF who might've been offended :-)), with thanks.. Over the past several months I've been lying low on the list, just because I'm so bummed out about a lot of things that my responses would usually be too toxic for general consumption. It's comforting (in a perverse way) to know that others are similarly afflicted. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right?
That would be the last gasp regards Doug On Monday 05 June 2006 11:08, Mike Weaver wrote: Next they'll be charging us for air... Keith Addison wrote: 12 percent of the world's population uses 85 percent of its water, and these 12 percent do not live in the Third World. Same as energy, same as food, same as money. Actually there is only one problem, IMHO, and this is it. For a glimpse at water issues worldwide in 2002 see: http://snipurl.com/qcpd Re: [biofuel] Sewage Waste Water - was: Somewhat OT: Animal Waste Best Keith --- New at Anup Shah's Global Issues web site. http://www.globalissues.org * Trade-Related Issues * Sustainable Development * Water Much of the world lives without access to clean water. A recognized global water crisis appears to come not so much from water scarcity and over-population but from management of this precious resource. Privatization has long been encouraged as the means to efficient management and provision of service. However, the result has been that often prices have increased, out of reach from poor people around the world. This commoditization of water goes to the heart of safe water access issues. This article looks into this issue in more detail. http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Development/water/ Introduction-A Water Management Crisis Leading to Lack of Access to Safe Water for Much of the World * Coca Cola vs. Indian Farmers: Luxury vs. Necessity * Privatization in both rich and poor countries can mean many cannot access safe water * Water Access Policy: Following Neoliberal Ideology * Privatization vs. Democratic Accountability of Management of a Fundamental Resource * Water: A Human Right or a Commodity? * Water and Environmental Issues * International Agreements and Action * More Information ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] more goofy questions
I hope you don't mean now?? Surely you can wait.(LOL) Doug On Friday 02 June 2006 10:27, John Beale wrote: I'd like to try some heat-assisted catalytic reformation of Keith -- if for no other reason than the irony of a biofuels list owner being made into biodiesel. -John On Jun 1, 2006, at 4:47 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Yeah, I mean, the guys still alive. Lets not biodegrade him yet. On 6/1/06, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think anything can compost/bio-degrade Keith I think bio-degrading Keith is a bit harsh. I believe if you just have a word with him that will suffice. Appal Energy wrote: Well..., I think anything can compost/bio-degrade Keith, even pig iron and Exxon Valdez dropping. And no doubt the ratio of roughage to glyc cocktail certainly is paramount. But how many people hear the word compost, dump tonnage into a pile, and expect miracles without maintenance or moderation? This is largely what I believe biodieselers do..., just dump and make another batch and dump again, until they have a stew pit that isn't working. As for methanol, you just won't find me a very big proponent of tossing something that can contribute to surface and ground water contamination. I am rather fond of the belief of greens going the extra mile rather when feasible/achievable. Pour-and-go biodiesel? Yes. Dump-and-go glycerol cocktail? Strong reservations and with fair reason. Did you not in your trials come up with a rough formulae/guidline as to ratios and time frames? That would certainly help on the middle-road. Todd Swearingen Keith Addison wrote: Many people compost the glycerine cocktail w/o any treatment. I think this is best done when KOH is used as the caustic rather than NaOH. Tom, I don't believe they're actually composting it. But they think they're composting it. I also think I've composted it, and I'd definitely know. The methanol fraction is toxic It's not toxic to the soil microlife nor to plants. ... Methanol is readily biodegradable in the environment under both aerobic and anaerobic conditions (with and without oxygen) in a wide variety of conditions. Generally 80% of methanol in sewage systems is biodegraded within 5 days. Methanol is a normal growth substrate for many soil microorganisms, which completely degrade methanol to carbon dioxide and water. Methanol is of low toxicity to aquatic and terrestrial organisms and it is not bioaccumulated. (It's toxic mainly to humans and monkeys.) Environmental effects due to exposure to methanol are unlikely. Unless released in high concentrations, methanol would not be expected to persist or bioaccumulate in the environment. Low levels of release would not be expected to result in adverse environmental effects. From More about methanol (with refs): http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#moremeth It certainly won't harm a compost pile. Anyway the methanol should be removed first. and the soap/oil fraction will smother almost everything. It depends how much of it you use. It will need to be mixed thoroughly with other materials so that the air and bacteria can get at it, or it will just make a sticky mass -- mix thoroughly with dry, brown materials, use in conjunction with other composting materials as only a part of the overall mix. -- Composting http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#compost It works. Jason Katie, At the level of home manufacture, about the best you can hope for is to create co-/waste-products that are essentially benign, as the amount of effort and infrastructure needed to refine the side-streams is phenomenal and beyond the reach of the average or above average home brewer. What you need are end products that can be disposed of without threat to the environment. Rather than seeking out the million and one possibilities and options, the suggestion would be to keep it simple. But Tom is finding values in the uses that are well exceeding the price of the phosphoric acid needed for separation, including enhanced composting. Potassium hydroxide and phosphoric acid are as simple as you can get on the base side and for FFA recovery, with sulfuric acid for the acid pre-treatment of high FFA oils. Other acid and caustic combinations only leave you with less than useful, if not toxic, salts. Potassium is harmful in excess. There are no chemicals involved in the biodiesel processes we all use that are toxic to soil or plant life. Separated FFA is a contact weed-killer but once composted it will be benign, as with all the others, and composting also prevents any potential excess problems, or well within reason anyway. Chemical salts should not be added direct to the soil anyway, if you have them always add them via the compost. Phosphoric acid,
Re: [Biofuel] Are your free plans being sold on eBay?
There is another way... If we all send 'questions' giving the website address of JTF, asking if the information adds to what is on the site for free? - Then we point people who read the feedback to our site, perhaps derail some of his sales. Eventually he may get the message. Also do we have a copyright statement saying all that is on the site is 'not for retail sale without permission of the authors' : this may scare them into submission if they think they are leaving themselves open to litigation?? regards Doug On Thursday 18 May 2006 6:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, Do you think it would help if we all pressed ebay at once? -dave On Wednesday, May 17, 2006 3:11 PM, Keith Addison wrote: I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF website on eBay. He's not the only one. Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Rod Barton interview on ABC 7:30 Report ABC, Australia (today)
Keith ( listers), I just saw an interview of Rod Barton, an ex- Intelligence analyst in Australia. He has just released a book on the fiasco of the WMD in Iraq. I recommend following the story up. regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Torture and/or Nuking Iran -- was Re: Poll in favor
I think the discussions such as we have are one reason the Mega-corporations wish to control the Internet. Once you have control, it is easy to censor unwanted discussions. The main thing we can do, as a group individually is discuss the issues. This was one of the tenets of Robert Theobold (unfortunately no longer with us), another free-thinker as Keith is. As one of the enlightened, one needs to discuss issues with friends work colleagues. Eventually the word will pass around. (Just try to be reasonable about the way the subjects are broached: otherwise one can be labelled a 'nutter' the ideas dismissed.) We must speak out. There were many people in Germany that stayed silent when AH was in power, we can now see the results. Try not to let history repeat in a really negative way! regards Doug On Wednesday 10 May 2006 11:00, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Randall Keith, You said: We've just dealt with this, in the torture thread. Please go and read it. You are complicit. What are you doing about it? You're obliged to be aware of what your government does abroad with your tax money, and if you do nothing to counter it you are complicit. What other people or other governments do is beside the point. The only exception is if you live under a totalitarian dictatorship, then you're not complicit because you're just a helpless slave. By your statement, in order for someone to even have a chance to avoid the responsibility for any bad actions by their government (ie. pollution, torture or nuking a country), it seems that they will need to be a person who: 1) Is capable of being aware of EVERYTHING that the government does domestically and internationally. To do this, you will need to posess God-like omniscience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience) since you will need to be aware of all actions performed by every single one of the MILLIONS of people that are connected with the US Federal government alone -- currently almost 2 million employees if you ignore the Military and the Postal Service. (http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/cgs041.htm)How many more work for the various State and Local governments. How many people work for quasi-governmental institutions that have an effect on how the government operates? You quoted at least one http://www.pipa.org/. 2) Is able to influence ALL of those MILLIONS of people, or possess the knowledge to choose which of the MILLIONS of people you will need to influence to force all the remaining people that you cannot influence (time, distance, numbers of people to speak with, whatever) to do what you wish them to do. 3) Possess the knowledge of the correct thing to do, and how to communicate this to all of the people that you will need to influence to make what you want to happen occur in the manner that you desire. --- or --- Is it ok for someone to just complain about the actions of the government to avoid being labeled complicit, or do they have to actually DO something? If they have to do something, does it have to be effective? If so, how effective does their action have to be? How closely related to the government in question can someone be, and avoid responsibility for that government's actions? Are other countries that benefit from the actions of your government responsible for the actions of your government? If so, are the people of those other countries then also responsible for your governments actions?? What if you don't want to give the government money, but they take it under the threat of death or imprisonment? So...let me ask you personally: What are you doing? How effective have your actions been? What will you do in the future to become more effective? When do you become blameless? Are you aware of how every single dollar is spent by our government? Whose is bigger eh? :-) What am I doing. For what's most visible, how about Journey to Forever? Or running the Biofuel list and helping to keep it well fed over the last six years with the kind of information you specify, often against strong opposition by people who would much rather have it left comfortably buried out of sight where the forces we're discussing had put it, and put them too in a state of heedless and uncaring ignorance, consent, and indeed complicity. That information includes about the best set of tools I've seen for doing all the things you specify, including investigation, spin detection, source checking, counter-spin and counter-propaganda, and the kind of activism required if you're interested in a sustainable future. There's been much discussion here on activism, and on What can I do? That's all there too, with solutions offered. And I provide this resource. That's just for now, some things. If you go back through my history you'll find an unbroken record of opposing the forces we're discussing, in many ways and across a broad range of issues, and in many
Re: [Biofuel] Sweet catalyst continuous processes
For chemical feed, have a look at some of the Medical Infusion Pumps: they will feed up to about 1L/min. The Gemini pumps are now becoming superceeded, so may be worth looking for (These are the ubiquitous Blue box pump that were seen in Hospital scenes on TV). These could be good for injecting measured liquid chemicals. regards Doug On Sunday 07 May 2006 5:59, Bob Carr wrote: - Original Message - From: Chris Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sweet catalyst continuous processes Hi Chris, Have you tried the sugar catalyst for yourself yet? Looking forward to reading your results. Who is making this catalyst in the UK? or alternatively do you have a make it at home recipe? I would love to give it a go. I am also working on a continuous processor down here in Northants, although it seems I am a few steps behind you. I would be happy to compare notes if you want. Right now on ebay uk there are a couple of very useful looking peristaltic pumps that could be used for metered feeding of methoxide and wvo into a continuous processor. Please keep me posted on your progress Regards Bob I have just got a small sample of the catalyst. I plan to make 2x 0.5 litre batches on my hotplate stirrer. 1 with lye as normal 1 with sugar. I will boil off the excess methanol and measure the quantities of byproduct produced to compare the lack of soap claims. I will do some wash tests to see how clean the diesel is. looks like instant coffee granules, it would be quite easy to enclose a quantity in a mesh cylinder and place inside one of the reactor pipes after the pump. Or even have a short length of pipe with a strainer at the downstream end filled with the stuff, just pump the mix over it repeatedly. Just unscrew the length of pipe and 'top up' when required. Maybe a piece of translucent hose could be incorporated to give a visual indication of you catalyst levels. As long as it could be removed to top it up, or have an access point upstream of the strainer to pour more in it should work fine. Chris.. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Get well Hakan,
Hakan, I hope you are feeling better. You are one of the stalwarts of the list. I always look forward to your postings. regards Doug On Monday 08 May 2006 1:08, Hakan Falk wrote: Gustl, You are absolutely right, I remember that you were not alone and you had strong support from me among several other members on the list. I have never heard Keith request or ask for donations, on the contrary, he have always supported the biodiesel community, without asking anything in return. Maybe he sometimes, with reasons, been quite tough with some list members that was totally out of line. Gustl and Keith, between us I am probably the oldest and as it happens a little bit sick now. Nothing serious, being sick will pass, contrary to being an idiot, as the one who calls Keith a sick old man. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thoughts on the Bush Admninistation
Wow, what can I say! I think there may be a few that think your idea of the world is simplistic. I know that I am one that does not agree with our (Australian) government being involved in the Iraq war. I am also of the opinion that if there was reasonable equity in the world, there would be less fights based on 'we want what you have'. Unfortunately, the US uses an inequitable amount of the world's resources, and it is not sustainable. The hate of US citizenry (and other rich Westerners) comes as a result of this inequitable sharing of resources. I remember when I was a tourist in China in the mid 1970's. I was by no means affluent, but I felt like a prince riding in coaches with curtains, air conditioning, compared to the peasantry walking, or riding on a stacked trailer pulled by a Rotary hoe type tractor. I think this was the first time I realised how affluent the west was compared to the poorer countries. China has now changed, but I imagine the average person is not much more affluent now than 30 years ago. I feel the average Muslim person has no more hate for me than the other poor races. As westerners I think we need to realise that there needs to be assistance to help the poor societies to gain some independence, so famine does not cause starvation, but also so there is not the transfer of poor country assets to the rich countries, as happens now. This transfer of assets can be anything from the theft of oil, the stealing of intellectual property, the theft of labour by underpaying for services, or the artificial generation of debt to the world financiers by supplying money to countries to finance projects that are not sustainable. I also feel that only the US sees 9/11 as a watershed. (this is not to demean the terrible event, but to rationalise that other events have occurred elsewhere that have similar devastating effects on the citizenry.) Terrorism has been a part of world politics for a considerable time. There is possibly less terrorism now than 20 years ago. However the fear of terrorism is now high. You need to read books like '1984' to see how these issues are related: the fear of an unknown enemy makes a populace that is easy to control, because fear lets Politicians introduce Draconian laws. We are suffering loss of Personal freedom now due to this fear of terrorism. regards Doug On Thursday 20 April 2006 4:03, Bobby Clark wrote: The Bush Administration is not trying to kill you. Sounds like a little paranoia. First of all, I don't think all of the decisions coming out of this administration are wrong; although the media would certainly have you believe so. They really have it out for this president; even to the point of bending the truth and hiding other elements of it. Not to say that this administration has not done the same thing at times, but we've come to expect this in politics, unfortunately. The thing I like about Bush is that he is not afraid to say how he feels and believes. He is not afraid to make a decision. Sometimes indecision is better than making a wrong decision in the eyes of many, but sometimes indecision and inaction is very dangerous. The gripes that you hear coming out of those who are against Bush and this government aren't all problems that this administration created. You can't blame Bush for everything; well, I guess you can but you'd be wrong. Many of the problems the nation faces today have been lingering for 15-20 years or longer. I didn't hear anyone griping about them when Clinton was in office beacuse most people liked Clinton. You see, for a lot of people it is personal. Now if you are against the war in Iraq; then you can blame Bush. If you are upset about rising fuel costs, you can partially blame Bush (which I do, by the way). But if you are upset about illegal immigration or the lack of a future for social security, you can't rightfully blame Bush. These were problems that were there before he ever took office, but I often still hear people blaming him for them. As far as terrorism goes; Bush usn't inciting people anymore than they were already. Fundamentalist Islam hates America, period. Our way of life is against what their religion teaches and it (our way of life) continues to entice many young people out of Islam. 9/11 happened before the war on terror or the war in Iraq (although it seems many forget this fact). They came on our soil and blew up our buidlings. Swift action had to be taken to send a message to terrorists who wold hate America even if Mickey Mouse was president. I don't agree with this administration on everything; in fact, I disagree with it a lot. However, I don't let my personal feelings take me on wild flights of fancy like the governement is completely evil or the government is trying to kill me. It is in those statements that logic is absent. Bobby Clark From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To:
Re: [Biofuel] Gardening and Tires
1: In Australia, pallets are chipped (then the nails etc are sorted recycled) The chips go to mulch, etc. 2: Tractor tyres, with the sidewall cut out would make a good bed. (Use a pointy carving knife to cut the walls out- do not tell the wife! Women just do not understand! (TIC)) Lay plastic in the tyre, then fill with soil/compost: that should isolate the tyre from the soil (but leave the bottom open, so the bed does not waterlog) regards Doug On Monday 10 April 2006 4:13, Keith Addison wrote: Hi Darryl I think your caution is well-founded. Tyres were discussed on one of the organic lists a while back and rejected because of cadmium leaching. I'll try to find the details, but maybe I won't get that far. Maybe they're okay for flowers, but do you want to have to segregate bits of your garden that could be poisoned? Not that it's not already poisoned, but there are degrees. America discards 270 million tyres a year. One each. Californians throw away 33 million tyres a year, which tremendously outstrips the demand for recycled rubber. Only 12 million to 18 million of those are recycled, leaving the rest to clog landfills or stand in massive piles that are fire hazards (and leach). That doesn't make sense, eh? Somebody has to be looking at their bottom line instead of the recycling imperative (let alone the reduce imperative). Something else that comes to mind is that a lot of natural gas is used to make carbon black, most of which is used to dye tyres. In the circumstances that's nuts. Pity tyre containers are a no-no for plants. We use permanent raised beds in the vegetable garden. We're starting to give them wooden sides, 12-15 high. It's a bit of a job but it works really well in several ways. Chipped sticks and other rough brown stuff in the paths between with a thin layer of manure underneath, which brings the worms while the woodchips prevent too much soil compaction when you walk on it. Eventually the roots grow under the paths too. But there's a major annoyance with this. For the wood we're using discarded container pallets, of which there's an endless supply, which is annoying in itself since they really shouldn't exist, but nearly all of them are made of fine mahogany and other tropical hardwoods. This is atrocious. It's excellent wood, I really hate doing this with it but we can't find any more deserving use for it than the beds, along with several big compost boxes, some slatted pathways, a floor to keep manure bags and so on off the ground and dry before it's used, all stuff you should use junk wood for, not mahogany. But at least we're using it. In the US: In 1999, for instance, 7.5 million tons of wooden pallets went into the solid waste stream, accounting for over 60 percent of all wood waste. And: There are an estimated 6 hardwood palletts in landfill for every resident of the US. What the hell is wood waste?? Which gets landfilled, sheesh. During 1991, Ohio produced about 32 million pallets. Hardwoods make up 72 percent of the total production, softwood 15% and mixed 13%. One-third of the pallets were constructed for reuse and two-thirds of the pallets were one-way, or disposable pallets. Only 7.5 million pallets were repaired or recycled. The study estimates that disposing wood from pallets into landfills claims the equivalent of the saw timber on more than 18,000 Ohio acres each year. Eventually, a substantial quantity of wood pallets enter landfills, thus rendering this valuable resource useless. http://www.epa.state.oh.us/opp/recyc/pallet3.html Pallet Management Guide :-( Anyway Darryll I guess you'd be just as righteous using pallets as tyres. I haven't seen any pressure-treated pallets, which would leach arsenic. What a world! Best Keith Robert's posts are making me envious. The ground is still frozen here, and my short visits in the greenhouse to start tomatoes, peppers and some salad greens just aren't enough. There has been some talk on a local plant e-mail list about using tires for raised gardens. I'm tempted. I'm tired of bending over to weed, and have access to tires and compost to fill them with. Cedar planks are rather expensive hereabouts. (There will undoubtedly be issues with the local aesthetics harassment, er.. by-law enforcement patrols, but that's a separate issue.) However, there is concern about using tires for food crops due to materials that will leach from the tires (e.g., zinc). There is material at SANET and http://www.paghat.com/rubbermulch.html etc. criticizing the practice. However, most (if not all) of that is specific to use of shredded tires as mulch. I could not find anything in the biofuel archive (after an admittedly quick search). So, my questions are: Is the hazard associated with leached materials from tires sufficient to be of concern for food crops? Does it make a difference if we're talking flowers? (The soil is still what's
Re: [Biofuel] the end of big biodiesel?
So why is no-one doing this already? There must be some underutilised refineries around? regards Doug On Thursday 06 April 2006 3:59, bob allen wrote: I heard a presentation from a researcher at NREL (Pachecko?)at a biomass conference in Little Rock, Arkansas last week. He basically predicted the death of big biodiesel only a few years beyond peak oil. The story goes like this: when global production of crude oil starts to fall significantly, and crude supplies in the us start to fall, the fossil refineries will turn to alternative feedstocks to keep their big catalytic crackers busy. Easier than coal liquids will be the supplementation with lipids. Big oil will buy up every drop of available fat and oil, blend it with crude oil and run it through the refineries. Because large scale catalytic cracking is cheaper than FAME synthesis, they can undercut the price, and drive biodiesel out of the market. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] peas to ethanol
New company: Bees peas?? (TIC) regards D On Sunday 02 April 2006 3:46, AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This all sounds interesting but if they keep using food plants to convert to ethanol we could have another real problem with food being diverted for fuel production. Farmers are already burning valuable rainforests to grow fuel crops, regards tallex Peas to ethanol Washington - So you don't like eating peas? Then how about fueling your car or truck with them? That's a possibility Agricultural Research Service (ARS) scientists are exploring--using a type of fuel called ethanol, made from the legume's starch. Ethanol is among the cleaner-burning alternatives to petroleum, and is credited with reducing tailpipe emissions of carbon monoxide and other pollutants when added to gasoline. full article http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1143952054.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Crower six-stroke engine
This sounds like the combustion cycle used in the Toyota Prius engine. I remember it being called something else regards Doug On Saturday 25 March 2006 4:22, robert luis rabello wrote: Michael Redler wrote: News: Hot rod engineer makes six-stroke engine 17 Mar 06 15:14 Bruce Crower is one of those guys who just isn't content within the box. Back in the early 1980's, he was marketing a compound expansion camshaft. The idea was that a high compression, long stroke engine could run with a very short intake valve duration. Reducing the intake charge by 1 / 3, compressing to 15:1 and allowing the resulting gases to fully expand, Crower squeezed very impressive fuel economy figures from a 5.7 liter small block Chevy. The engine had reduced torque, but improved horsepower because of the scavanging effect its odd valve timing produced at high rpm. This was just one example of how thinking differently can result in creative problem solving. In the case of the compound expansion camshaft, decreasing fuel quality killed the thing, but I've always wanted to try that approach with hydrogen, ethanol or propane. And then there's direct injection, rotary valves, supplemental H2 injection, a hybrid stirling cycle and a whole HOST of other ideas I'd love to try . . . It's too bad I'm not independently wealthy! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] HELPFUL CREDIT INFO
On the subject of Pin #s, do not use a number the thief can obtain or guess (so no spouses birthday!) Personally, I calculate using an algorithm (ie formulae) my pin from the information on the card. This way I can have a different number on each card, but never forget! (It must be easy to calculate so you can do it on the fly... but not easy to guess) Keep in mind you can use all the numbers printed on the card, including the valid date! regards Doug On Wednesday 22 March 2006 4:03, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Unfortunately, this attorney did not do his homework. Many places including the USPS will not accept a credit card that is not signed. Worse, you will be paying late fees on your credit card payment if you don't put the full number on your check, many companies just chuck them aside until they have time to track down your account number and make your payment late. They can do this as the instruction they send tell you to put your full account number on the check. Ask your company before following this attorneys advice. The rest of his advice is good, only if you have a safe secure place to keep all your photo copies. If your credit card will let you put your picture on it, do so. If they allow pin numbers, use one. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:47 AM 3/21/2006, you wrote: ATTORNEY'S ADVICE -- NO CHARGE Read this and make a copy for your files in case you need to refer to it someday. Maybe we should all take some of his advice! A corporate attorney sent the following out to the employees in his company. 1. Do not sign the back of your credit cards. Instead, put PHOTO ID REQUIRED. 2. When you are writing checks to pay on your credit card accounts, DO NOT put the complete account number on the For line. Instead, just put the last four numbers. The credit card company knows the rest of the number, and anyone who might be handling your check as it passes through all the check processing channels won't have access to it. 3. Put your work phone # on your checks instead of your home phone. If you have a PO Box use that instead of your home address. If you do not have a PO Box, use your work address. Never have your SS# printed on your checks. (DUH!) You can add it if it is necessary. But if you have it printed, anyone can get it. 4. Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy machine. Do both sides of each license, credit card, etc. You will know what you had in your wallet and all of the account numbers and phone numbers to call and cancel. Keep the photocopy in a safe place. I also carry a photocopy of my passport when I travel either here or abroad. We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed on us in stealing a name, address, Social Security number, credit cards. Unfortunately, I, an attorney, have firsthand knowledge because my wallet was stolen last month. Within a week, the thieve(s) ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record information online, and more. But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this happens to you or someone you know: 5. We have been told we should cancel our credit cards immediately. But the key is having the toll free numbers and your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those where you can find them. 6. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where your credit cards, etc., were stolen. This proves to credit providers you were diligent, and this is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one). But here's what is perhaps most important of all: (I never even thought to do this.) 7. Call the 3 national credit reporting organizations immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and also call the Social Security fraud line number. I had never heard of doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the Internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks your credit knows your information was stolen, and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this, almost two weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done. There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them dead in their tracks. Now, here are the numbers you always need to contact about your wallet, etc., has been stolen: 1.) Equifax: 1-800-525-6285 2.) Experian (formerly TRW): 1-888-397-3742 3.) Trans Union:
Re: [Biofuel] [off topic]Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77
No, sorry I cannot abide by this at all. You are misrepresenting Kangaroos, and there are no Marxists left in Australia since our illustrious PM, John Howard (affectionately named the Shrub, as he is definitely a small bush) made anything approaching leftist ideals illegal! regards Doug On Wednesday 15 March 2006 6:08, Evergreen Solutions wrote: I personally believe the whole thing was orchestrated by Marxist Kangaroos intent on destroying the world zionist rabbit archipelago by intentional contraversion of common springboard hopping techniques. And that Rumsfeld paid for it with his Sam's Club card. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [solar-ac] new highly efficient solar powertechnology?
Hi, a quick note on Semiconductor failure: Long term semiconductors failure can be due to contamination of the Semiconductor junction. This is caused in normal ICs by leakage around the legs of the semiconductors. Ceramic ICs are better than cheap plastic ICs in this regard (which is why ceramic ICs are used in mission-critical applications). PV panels are different in packaging to ICs. I guess the life of a panel is related to the amount of contamination that leaks into the semiconductor junction over time. There are millions of junctions in a Panel, so the loss or degradation of a few will not cause a big impact (which probably explains the drop to 90% efficiency of your panels.) I suspect the efficiency of the coatings type panels may degrade much faster then the older substrate type panels. regards Doug On Sunday 19 February 2006 2:44, Zeke Yewdall wrote: It looks like the 2 year payback was talking about energy payback, not economic payback, which is what I and a few other list members were talking about before. Current PV technology also has about a 2 year (actually 0.75 to 4 depending on technology and framing options) energy payback. Actual lifespan of the crystallline PV promises to be much longer than 25 years that most warrantees are. I have a 10 year warranteed module purchased in 1985, and it was still generating over 90% of rated power when it was 20 years old last winter. The theoretical studies I've heard of project near 100 year lifespan for them, based on observed degradation of silicon semiconductor junctions in 24/7 communications equipment in which the junction starts breaking down after 20 to 25 years. Since PV only works a quarter of the time, somewhere between 70 and 100 years seems to be when the junctions will start breaking down. And I think you've also pointed out another problem with using payback as the metric -- traditional economic accounting doesn't take into account lifespan after payback very well. If two items pay back in 2 years, they seem to be the same, even if only lasts 2 years, and one lasts another 18 years. On 2/18/06, Chris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many 50 watt panels do you need... It just stated the production and installation of each 50 watt unit costs were recouped in 2 years( used in South Africa ), leaving another 15 to 18 years of useful life before degrading became to great. I think this was the link I found. http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2004/november/energy.htm Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Anglo-American War of Terror
Possibly its a daisy chain?? (Whose up whose, who'se not paying!) D On Tuesday 27 December 2005 9:40, Tom Irwin wrote: My goodness there´s an awful lot of puppets around. Many folks in the U.S. consider Bush to be Cheney´s puppet. I wonder who controls Cheney? Big Smile, Tom _ From: Doug Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:28:48 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Anglo-American War of Terror And in Australia we call our (/) illustrious PM 'the shrub' as in 'a little bush'. Unfortunately for we Aussies, our PM does not have much left to learn from Georgie: we now have Sedition laws, un-needded anti- bad guys legislation, 'workplace reform' that is all about making it easier for the overseas masters. Unfortunately, there is a larger cultural drift apart of the haves have-nots. Australia now is a very different place to the one I lived in 30 years ago. Happy new year to all! Doug On Monday 26 December 2005 9:17, Chris lloyd wrote: I quite agree with you regarding the comments about the military adventure the only super power the USA and Bush's pooodle Tony Blair in Iraq. Hi Fox, please get things right. The Poodle was Margaret Thatcher belonging to President Raygun. Tony Blier The Hand Puppet as called by us here in the UK as he appears to have President Bushes hand shoved up his backside. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Anglo-American War of Terror
With our Sedition laws we are probably much the same. Its a sad, sad world! regards Doug On Tuesday 27 December 2005 10:47, Fred Finch wrote: Doug, You will notice that no one in the US is commenting. That is because our phones are being monitered and I am sure that this list is considered of Interest to someone. Oh, someone is at the door... fred On 12/27/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possibly its a daisy chain?? (Whose up whose, who'se not paying!) D On Tuesday 27 December 2005 9:40, Tom Irwin wrote: My goodness there´s an awful lot of puppets around. Many folks in the U.S. consider Bush to be Cheney´s puppet. I wonder who controls Cheney? Big Smile, Tom _ From: Doug Foskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 18:28:48 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Anglo-American War of Terror And in Australia we call our (/) illustrious PM 'the shrub' as in 'a little bush'. Unfortunately for we Aussies, our PM does not have much left to learn from Georgie: we now have Sedition laws, un-needded anti- bad guys legislation, 'workplace reform' that is all about making it easier for the overseas masters. Unfortunately, there is a larger cultural drift apart of the haves have-nots. Australia now is a very different place to the one I lived in 30 years ago. Happy new year to all! Doug On Monday 26 December 2005 9:17, Chris lloyd wrote: I quite agree with you regarding the comments about the military adventure the only super power the USA and Bush's pooodle Tony Blair in Iraq. Hi Fox, please get things right. The Poodle was Margaret Thatcher belonging to President Raygun. Tony Blier The Hand Puppet as called by us here in the UK as he appears to have President Bushes hand shoved up his backside. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Anglo-American War of Terror
And in Australia we call our (/) illustrious PM 'the shrub' as in 'a little bush'. Unfortunately for we Aussies, our PM does not have much left to learn from Georgie: we now have Sedition laws, un-needded anti- bad guys legislation, 'workplace reform' that is all about making it easier for the overseas masters. Unfortunately, there is a larger cultural drift apart of the haves have-nots. Australia now is a very different place to the one I lived in 30 years ago. Happy new year to all! Doug On Monday 26 December 2005 9:17, Chris lloyd wrote: I quite agree with you regarding the comments about the military adventure the only super power the USA and Bush's pooodle Tony Blair in Iraq. Hi Fox, please get things right. The Poodle was Margaret Thatcher belonging to President Raygun. Tony Blier The Hand Puppet as called by us here in the UK as he appears to have President Bushes hand shoved up his backside. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disposal of glycerine...burning
Suggest carpet tubes (about 60mm diameter fairly thick) from the centre of rolls of carpet. regards Doug On Tuesday 29 November 2005 12:55, Fred Finch wrote: Hi Mike, I make logs with sawdust apacked in a milk carton. If you have a fire that burns hot it will last between 1 to 3 hours. No ram necessary unless you like to put in a bunch of extra work for something that you are going to burn anyway. I was thinking of finding large cardboard tubes and using that to pack. Might be easier if I can find a source of dry ones. fred On 11/28/05, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know whether I could mix left-over glycerine w/ dried leaves and woodchips and coffee grounds and compress it into a fireplace log with a hydralic ram and a form for fuel for my wood stove? I've burned coffee logs before and it worked fine. I could braze a stell form and use a bottle jack - kind of like a large rammed earth brick. -Mike Appal Energy wrote: Michael, Treat the cocktail with phosphoric acid to recover the FFAs. Then evaporate the methanol and recover it by condensing. That leaves the precipitate fertilizer and crudely refined glycerol to condtend with. The glycerol is a simple sugar and can be distributed with the graywater from the wash. Presumably you'll be treating the wash water to recover the soaps. Todd Swearingen mostly i mean what settles out of transesterification todd. On 11/27/05, *Appal Energy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, Are you speaking of what settles out of a transesterification? Or are you speaking of the remaining glycerol after performing a free fatty acid recovery on the same soup? Todd Swearingen Hi folks I haven't started my production yet but I recently realized that I wasn't sure what I was going to do about disposing of the left over glycerine. I live on a small plot on the local reservoir and I can't just dump it or compost it .Any suggestions? what are you guy's doing with it? yes i could just put it in the trash but i have to pay for trash removal. Michael Luich ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally
Even if it was turned into a toothpick! regards Doug On Friday 25 November 2005 10:26, Kenji James Fuse wrote: My lips ain't touching that bush... On Thu, 24 Nov 2005, Ken Riznyk wrote: Will somebody please give this man a blowjob so we can impeach him. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely. Absolutely lovely. If this proves to be true, then we unequivocally have a mad man loose in the White House who shouldn't be left alone to his own thoughts for one moment for the duration of his term of office. That or stack it on the list of evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, for his impeachement. Todd Swearingen http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2.htm Exclusive: Bush Plot To Bomb His Arab Ally Madness of war memo By Kevin Maguire And Andy Lines 11/22/05 The Mirror -- -- PRESIDENT Bush planned to bomb Arab TV station al-Jazeera in friendly Qatar, a Top Secret No 10 memo reveals. But he was talked out of it at a White House summit by Tony Blair, who said it would provoke a worldwide backlash. A source said: There's no doubt what Bush wanted, and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. Al-Jazeera is accused by the US of fuelling the Iraqi insurgency. The attack would have led to a massacre of innocents on the territory of a key ally, enraged the Middle East and almost certainly have sparked bloody retaliation. A source said last night: The memo is explosive and hugely damaging to Bush. He made clear he wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar and elsewhere. Blair replied that would cause a big problem. There's no doubt what Bush wanted to do - and no doubt Blair didn't want him to do it. A Government official suggested that the Bush threat had been humorous, not serious. But another source declared: Bush was deadly serious, as was Blair. That much is absolutely clear from the language used by both men. Yesterday former Labour Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle challenged Downing Street to publish the five-page transcript of the two leaders' conversation. He said: It's frightening to think that such a powerful man as Bush can propose such cavalier actions. I hope the Prime Minister insists this memo be published. It gives an insight into the mindset of those who were the architects of war. Bush disclosed his plan to target al-Jazeera, a civilian station with a huge Mid-East following, at a White House face-to-face with Mr Blair on April 16 last year. At the time, the US was launching an all-out assault on insurgents in the Iraqi town of Fallujah. Al-Jazeera infuriated Washington and London by reporting from behind rebel lines and broadcasting pictures of dead soldiers, private contractors and Iraqi victims. The station, watched by millions, has also been used by bin Laden and al-Qaeda to broadcast atrocities and to threaten the West. Al-Jazeera's HQ is in the business district of Qatar's capital, Doha. Its single-storey buildings would have made an easy target for bombers. As it is sited away from residential areas, and more than 10 miles from the US's desert base in Qatar, there would have been no danger of collateral damage. Dozens of al-Jazeera staff at the HQ are not, as many believe, Islamic fanatics. Instead, most are respected and highly trained technicians and journalists. To have wiped them out would have been equivalent to bombing the BBC in London and the most spectacular foreign policy disaster since the Iraq War itself. The No 10 memo now raises fresh doubts over US claims that previous attacks against al-Jazeera staff were military errors. In 2001 the station's Kabul office was knocked out by two smart bombs. In 2003, al-Jazeera reporter Tareq Ayyoub was killed in a US missile strike on the station's Baghdad centre. The memo, which also included details of troop deployments, turned up in May last year at the Northampton constituency office of then Labour MP Tony Clarke. Cabinet Office civil servant David Keogh, 49, is accused under the Official Secrets Act of passing it to Leo O'Connor, 42, who used to work for Mr Clarke. Both are bailed to appear at Bow Street court next week. Mr Clarke, who lost at the election, returned the memo to No 10. He said Mr O'Connor had behaved perfectly correctly. Neither Mr O'Connor or Mr Keogh were available. No 10
Re: [Biofuel] modified sine and sine wave inverters
Modified sine: stepped generation of approximate sine wave. The issue is that modified sine generates transients that interfere with some attached equipment power supplies (an example being in the medical field: Baxter Colleague infusion pumps overheat their power supplies on modified sine wave inverters: We had to change our Ambulance inverters to pure sine wave inverters.) regards Doug On Wednesday 23 November 2005 3:35, Mike Weaver wrote: Cheap junky inverter vs. good inverter, not to put too fine a point on it... Chris lloyd wrote: I'm not off grid but use modified sine wave. What do you mean by modified sine wave? Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
Hi, the Haynes are good except for the inaccuracies! I would also suggest some of the Owners groups: AussieFrogs is an Australian one, there is some useful info in the ACT Peugeot club site (Australian Capital Territory P Club) There are some aftermarket parts suppliers that have much better prices than Peugeot Genuine, much comes from the same suppliers as genuine. So, Google around, subscribe to lists, ask questions: all will be revealed! regards Doug On Sunday 20 November 2005 8:20, Sam Critchley wrote: Hi Brian, I used to have a Peugeot 305 diesel which was a great car. I bought it at 200,000 miles after it had been a taxi in Portsmouth. The engine died at 240,000 unfortunately, but a reconditioned replacement only cost about £400 including shipping and fitting. I would recommend the following company which is the most popular publisher of car maintenance manuals in the UK: http://www.haynes.co.uk If you follow the links Car Maintenance - Manuals (English Language) - Haynes Manuals (UK) - Peugeot, you will see the following book: Peugeot 2.0, 2.1, 2.3 and 2.5 litre Diesel Engines (74 - 90) You can still get parts from Peugeot dealers in the UK. I would try the UK Peugeot owners' club as well, and of course if you speak French you're sorted. There are also quite a few Peugeots in Quebec and in the Caribbean. Thanks, Sam On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:35:03 +0200, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks,
On Sunday 20 November 2005 5:28, Michael Nehring wrote: Hi, there is a project to make a solid state controller to use a chest type freezer as a frig. Works well apparently... (google ata: Alternative energy assoc in Melbourne, Victoria Australia for details of kit.) regards Doug Hi all, In about 8 months or so, I and my (future) wife will buy our first house. One of my goals is to have a relatively high level of energy self-sufficiency (without going bankrupt since we currently don't have a ton of cash lying around). First question: does anyone know of any charts/statistics of household energy consumption. I'm not so much interested in kilowatthours per day, but rather how the usage is divided up. This will make it easier to plan what areas typically need to be improved. On another note, have any of you guys already looked at this: http://mtbest.net/chest_fridge.html. It's a fridge that uses only .1 kw-hours/day (that's around 37 per year, and at $.1/kWh, that's less than $4 year if you're on the grid). The idea is surprisingly simple. Another question: does anyone know how many kilowatt hours are stored in a normal car battery (a battery for a standard sedan, I suppose)? I've been thinking about hooking an inverter up to a car battery (or probably an array) to power various devices in the house. However, I don't know how much power is actually in a fully charged battery. Here would be one idea to charge the batteries: I just install a few extra alternators in my car, and have those charge the batteries which would be stored in the trunk. Assuming the car is running biodiesel, then the electricity would be produced by biodiesel. Does the idea sound reasonable? Or does it have too many drawbacks and pitfalls? Are there other 12V batties that are better designed for household-type uses? (12V so that I can charge it with an alternator, since I have a few alternators lying around, and can get them for near to free if I go for used). How long does it take to charge an empty car battery? If it doesn't take long, maybe I could build a simple treadmill-like device for the car, so the car spins a wheel, which in turn spins a dozen or so alternators to charge a dozen batteries at once. While it isn't the most efficient method, it would be cheap, since the motor would stay in the car, and the car would serve other purposes (that is, getting places). I guess that's it for now. If any of you guys have any tips for common sources of waste in a house, I'd be happy to hear them (I'm already planning a rainwater harvesting system and a greenhouse for winter food production). Thanks, -Michael ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Wrong! Try a live CD (I would suggest Mepis, which is downloadable using M$ wonderful system if you wish, from a link given on Mepis.org, ). This will load off the CD drive, run on your computer. It will not affect the harddisc unless you tell it to. If you do try this, I think you will see that the general operation is very similar to that commercial operating system, and there is generally very little problem configuring the system. (There are provisos tho: some hardware eg Winmodems, that are not always detected. Some programs away from the mainstream may require a little gigging to get working: an example could be one I have seen: Qcad, a CAD program available for Linux, which I had to Google an issue with printer configuration to find out how to fix, but this was an extreme case.) Also the help is now very good, and help is available for even the most esoteric problem you find - sometimes better than Commercial programs- occasionally the original software developer will answer a query put on a Help list. So, please try it! I really think it is worth the effort. regards Doug On Friday 28 October 2005 1:08, Jason and Katie wrote: i would be more than happy to use Linux, but i dont have the time to sit down and LEARN it. all the coding options and different ways to configure it, i would definitely spend as much time repairing my mistakes as i would configuring my computer, and quite frankly, if i want to do that, i'd have to take a years vacation. it may even be completely idiot proof, but im just that special kind of idiot that manages to find a way to screw it up. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor
Generally pump motors are 2 pole: meaning they spin twice as fast as 4 pole motors, hence half the torque. Washing machine motors are usually 4 pole. regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 3:49, Ken Dunn wrote: On 10/26/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Totally Enclosed Fan Cooled - TEFC. If you follow link on my original post, the pump displayed has a motor attached to looks generally like a TEFC motor. I don't know that it is though. Yes it is. More info here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html#pumpcap Journey to Forever 90-litre processor Keith, Care to wager on whether the pump motor could be converted for use in my stir process? Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
But you must agree that it is moving from a boat that leaks like a sieve to a boat that needs an occasional bale?? I find now I get extremely frustrated at work where I must use the M$ systems: because I cannot multi task as easily as on my home system. (And I have occasionally had over 60 web pages open at once in Linux - try that on the other system!) regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 10:16, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 04:54:01PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: Good reason to go Linux. It doesn't really matter. If one of your addresses is publicly available (either on a website or mailing list archives) it will be abused this way sooner or later. I use Linux and FreeBSD all the time and it happened to me too (several times). Naturally, using Windows mail readers exposes you more due to impact the mail worms and viruses have on internet these days, but just using Linux is not an ultimate solution. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Rafal, congratulations on being part of the Samba team! I am constantly amazed how many Biodiesel list members are involved with Open Source software. A comment to others on Linux: there is now a move by the major Linux developers to standardise the way that Linux is seen by programs, so the old issues of differing packages for different flavours of Linux will then be a thing of the past. The common Linux desktop is ever closer. regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2005 at 03:08:26PM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Unfortunately, there are too many specialized engineering software packages that I use every day that can only operate under windows (often they are even picky about the version of windows) for me to consider Linux. Yes, I'm in fortunate position of being a programmer and network engineer. As for now it is a great environment for people of this profession. I must agree though, engineers using CAD software (of various fields) still have a hard time when trying to switch to free unix-like systems. It just needs a bit more time, like many new things. If it was just web browsing, spreadsheets, word processing, and the like, I'd get rid of windows in a heartbeat. I've already dumped IE and outlook. Indeed. You can already switch to safer and open replacements of web browser and mail reader as well as office suite (especially with just-released OpenOffice 2.0). Isn't it great ? There's a choice finally for average user. I want Google or Mozilla to come out with an operating system. No need to. Just wait for unix desktop environments to become mature enough to be widely usable. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] lye supply
This sounds like an outright lye!! regards Doug On Thursday 27 October 2005 3:17, Jason and Katie wrote: my name is now officially people Hi all, I cleared this with Keith, so please be advised it is NOT an ad. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A new website
Good reason to go Linux. regards Doug On Wednesday 26 October 2005 9:20, Rafal Szczesniak wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 08:49:14AM -0600, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Huh? On 10/23/05, midori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name=post[1].htm Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: L87Md53d Looks like Midori's address has been forged over the net and used to send out some virus/bug/spyware/whatever. It happens all the time all over the network. Oh, those spammers... :( ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 1981 505 S TD Mechanical info please
a white marker pen! (mark the hoses etc with dots or a character if there is room) The other trick is to put the small parts in paper bags, that are marked with location. (This works well for things like injector pumps, or gearboxes that have shims, etc.) regards Doug. On Thursday 20 October 2005 10:55, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Not quite a direct answer to your questions, but one thing I've found very helpful when taking apart engines that I lack manuals for (or even ones that I have generic manuals for), is to take LOTS of digital pictures before ripping into it. Then you can refer to them when you are wondering exactly which vacuum hose goes where when reassembling it. Zeke On 10/20/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Peugeot and diesel engines. I have no books for this fine looking car. I was a pro VW mechanic during the 70s and early 80s. Now I am a pro electronics tech. I prefer to read about a job before I do the wrenching. I have a decent garage in which I am able to weld with gas and electric and of course I am very handy with the electronics. I am often asked for advice on various home auto repair projects to which my first suggestion is to get the book and if possible get the official service manuals and read them. I am not a magician, merely a mechanic and lately I work only on our fleet of ranch vehicles. This said, I am about to pull the head off of my Peugeot not knowing where hoses and wires will return to nor what they do, then attempt to buy a head gasket from I don't know where. Not my ideal way of working, and certainly goes against everything I have preached all these years. I have rarely worked on a diesel engine and never a turbo diesel. I need to understand how the Peugeot turbo works and if it is working. I would like to test it while the head is off as this seems like as good a time as any since it is under the manifolds. I joined the Yahoo Peugeot-L group but they don't seem to know where to get information either as I have posted numerous requests for service manuals and parts ordering contacts. I don't mean to sound ungrateful the Peugeot group gave me the name of one guy in Vermont who seems to have access to a microfiche. Remember those? I even own a reader which if I dug around in the barn I might even be able to lay hand to. Still, he has the info not me. As far as I am concerned it is like saying, I have a gun, not here but I have one. Questions I have put forward to date are: White exhaust smoke and expanding coolant hoses are invariably signs of a blown head gasket, where do I buy parts? Where do I look up information online? Does Peugeot really not have a decent web presence? Sorry if I am forgetting those who wrote back and given advice and those who told me of Mr.Brian Holm, I have written to him. I should call and may do so from work tomorrow. I feel exposed not having anything going for me. Anxious in New Mexico Brian Rodgers www.outfitnm.com The Outfit 801 Douglas Ave. #1 Las Vegas New Mexico 87701 505-454-9661 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Brian, most of the CD mans are pdfs. Just print the relevant pages for the job in hand. regards Doug On Monday 10 October 2005 10:59, Brian Rodgers wrote: Very good idea thanks Doug. On 10/9/05, Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) See the other similar threads for my comments on Haynes. You are right nevertheless. There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) Like the Mitchell's on demand set? Yeah I keep meaning to pirate those, somehow I have never got to it. But then I would need a PC in the workshop. Don't know, wishy-washy again. Truly, Brian regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] try linux
Another good Live CD is Mepis. I have been using Mepis for about 2 years it is great: easy to set up, will run on old(er) hardware, is Debian based, so good support for updating, etc. Also loads easily on the Harddisc when you decide you like it. regards Doug On Saturday 15 October 2005 6:07, Roland wrote: concerniong the virus problems: try linux. I started up my pc from cd-rom with a live linux installation: No change on the HD is made. And you have a working version of linux in 10 minutes. Meaning internet worrking, browsers, e-mail clients an office program etc. You move out of the dangerzone. What do you need windows for anyway. You can download Knoppix or Linspire from the net, burn an image etc. It's great. Btw great information from you guys on the other side, me being in Europe, Amsterdam. I also heard about the problem getting diesel engines for normal cars, like f.i. a volkswagen golf diesel turbo. Could maybe setup some im/export exchange. If theres is interest let me know. I'll keep listening ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
Search on the web: you may be lucky. The Haynes manualwould be available from book suppliers (but there are some inaccuracies in Haynes manuals: but they are better than nothing!) There is also a seller on ebay selling CDs of manuals: there could be one available there (UK supplier) regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 10:57, Brian Rodgers wrote: Hello everybody Thank you so much for the replies. I was told when I got this car that it had a blown head gasket. The reasoning the mechanic used was excess pressure on the coolant system. Also, now that I have started the engine a few times it fires up pretty quick. Here is an excerpt from a note I sent to a friend this afternoon. It may give you a heads up on what is happening. I just made some changes to the coolant lines and it made a big difference. I took it for the 'first' test drive, sweet!!! What I have found so far: Fan clutch slipping. In-line thermostat??? Yeah the thermostat was jammed inside the big hose coming from the head to radiator, with two hose clamps holding it in place. That can't be right. Anyway it's working- I tested it in boiling water Also upon inspection there is slight discoloration on the Thermostat inflow side, looks like exhaust smoke. Still blowing white smoke when idling. Smoke turns black when accelerating. Shifts great, all gears work. No speedo. As you can see it may indeed be a blown head gasket. Although no oil emulsion (coolant in oil) and no oil in coolant. What I would really like is a shop manual for this car. If I am going to pull the head I feel better if I know where everything goes back to. Not to mention, torques and bolt tightening patterns. Does anyone know of a good Peugeot parts supplier? Again thanks for the info and help. Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged
Another source of parts for the Peugeot diesel motors is from the Indian Utility vehicles: some of these use Peugeot Motors, may be imported to the US?? From experience of Peugeot diesels, if properly maintained, they will last well over 300 000 kms before requiring rebuilding. (The 405 diesels do blow a bit of oil into the airbox, so one corner of the filter looks dirty, but they seem to run forever like this. My 405's now have 32 Km, 25 kms on them on the original engines. The only issues I have heard has been related to Injector pumps with the new low-sulphur diesel causing seal failure. This is not an issue with Biodiesel.) regards Doug On Saturday 08 October 2005 2:34, S. Chapin wrote: Brian Rodgers wrote: Ok thanks I realise that the compression should be comparatively similar between cylinders, any ideas on what basic (ball park) compression should be on a diesel engine? Antone know of a trick to seal the coolant system for a minor leak coming from head gasket? Wishful thinking? From the looks of the coolant I flushed out someone already tried the bronse flake sealant. Cheers Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yup, wishful. the reality is that if the head gasket is blown, or the head has enough of a hole on the exhaust side ( a crack between intake and exhaust valves is a spot to look) then the compression is going to be slightly different now, and very different later. Given evidence of a fix in a can' effort already, and expanding hoses go for a sincere diagnosis. To continue running it, however delightful will lead to disaster. I'm not sure you couldnt swap in a newer xd3te motor or even older (ack). If the rest of the thing, trans,electrical,suspension is in good shape. If this is an xd2s, I would rebuild it, maybe 1200 for the parts and machine work (only guessing).How many miles on it?? From what I can gather the turbo peugeot motor is far more efficient than MB, if a bit less robust. If you want I'd trade you the 220d thats in the rover. nahh you're better off fixing the peugeot. Cheers, SC ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel
There ia an Australian Peugeot (and other French cars) list: Aussiefrogs I suggest you consider joining, as there are some very knowledgeable buffs on the list. regards Doug (Peugeot 405SRDT: great car!) On Saturday 08 October 2005 3:12, Keith Addison wrote: October 7, 2005 Hi everyone After three months of wishy washy thinking and anxiety over money to invest in my biodiesel project, this very moment my dream has been realized. I am now the proud owner of a 1981 Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle! I know what you are thinking, I'm thinking Bravo! Well done! Good for you! Maybe I'm not the only one. See: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html The best car in the world :-) A 505 is just a 404 in drag, they're great! A friend of mine drove one from London to Johannesburg, way back before they invented roads and stuff. Best of good luck with it Brian, I hope you get all the problems licked. Keith What's a American good ol' boy' doing with a Peugeot? Well, it is a long story, the short version is: If we live our lives in a spiritually wholesome and environmentally friendly fashion, we can expect good things to come to us. We don't need much and we have patience. Anyway, I said this is the short version right? We now have this car sitting here at the Ranch in northeastern New Mexico. It has only one mechanical problem that I can see; It is very hard to start, when it finally does it bellows blue-white smoke, and the coolant lines slowly begin to pressurize. The radiator hoses balloon up, very scary and we shut it down before they blow. At first glance it looks like a leaking head gasket. It is now sitting in front of my little workshop and I am so excited to finally have a car that I can make my own biodiesel for. Nevertheless, my rash days are past and I am content to ask first before I tear into anything mechanically. I ask for information. I am relatively new to Biofuels, but I do have a fine set of Mechanics tools, much updated from the days long ago when I was a factory trained VW mechanic. Please don't give me the negative perspective. If you do, I can take it. But I still have that wonderful glow a guy gets when he gets a new car to refurbish. How's that line go? Sing me the bad news! So far I have zero cash investment in this really cute little car. I have three Mercedes gas powered monsters which have been steadily moving closer to the ranch dump. I toyed with the idea of buying a 1982 300 Turbo Sedan that a friend has offered for $2000.00. I don't like the body style, too heavy, and we couldn't afford it anyway. This Peugeot is almost 1000 pounds lighter than my 1980 480SE. And damn, did I say it is sleek and in mint condition? So yeah that's the good news. Anybody out there have any experience with these? Looks like a very clean engine, but that may be because the radiator already washed it off with a steam bath. I have extended experience with petrol vehicles. My tools are metric and I love to read first then spin nuts after I at least think I understand. Diesel engines, this is only my second. I won't say what I did to the first one. I intend to make this motor sing again! So, I have heard of carbon buildup in the cylinders causing issues in dino-diesel motors. Any ideas? Things I could check. I suppose checking the compression through the spark plug holes is out of the question, lol. I will be looking for the factory service manual, unless it is written in French of course. Nah, I have factory service literature on the Benz and it is not in German. See how wishy washy I have become? Maybe it is the fog this morning, yeah fog in New Mexico, go figure. They have fog in France right? So how did my bio-diesel processing chemicals and WVO collecting go this week? Not well, physically. I talked it up pretty good, whatever that is worth. I think I know what I need to find for the test batches. A couple of little bottles of Heet (methanol). Blue or yellow? There is a bit of confusion in the biofuel group about this, and a jar of Red Devil drain opener (lye.) A five gallon can for transporting the WVO back to the ranch and a 12 volt pump for filling my container at the rear of the Mc Donald's. Oh, and I have to ask Vince, the owner of the local McDonald's, if is ok to use some of the WVO from his business. Ok, I am so excited about our new diesel that I am totally torn between writing and thinking about it and going out into the fog and startingÖ something, anythingÖ How about learning? Sincerely, Brian Rodgers ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel processing Equipment
Sounds good. Long as the cost is OK. regards Doug On Wednesday 05 October 2005 8:31, Rob Perisic wrote: Hey guys, My name is Rob and I'm located in Perth, Western Australia. I'm very much a newbie to DIY Biodiesel processing but am very eager to collect the necessary equipment and materials needed to make my first batch. Obviously I'd start on a very small scale until I got the technique under control but an opportunity to purchase a hard-core piece of equipment has presented itself and I'd like to solicit some professional opinions. I have found someone who longer wants a 400L stainless steel distilling vat and I thought it might make a prefect biodiesel processor. Essentially it is a large drum with a conical base supported on legs and is about 2m in height. There are a few outlets at the base of the unit and access to the top of the drum is via a 30-35cm diameter hole. The top of the drum has a thick rim with holes where a mixing/heating unit could be attached. Having had no prior experience with either distilling/fermenting vats or biodiesel processing units, I was hoping someone could tell me what features I should be looking for and whether this unit would be a wise investment for future processing. Any help would be greatly apprciated. Regards, Rob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] turbocharged vs supercharged diesels
But what about the Brown-Boveri 'Supercharger'?? It uses the gas movement of the exhaust to 'supercharge' the inlet charge. I had one of these fitted (standard) to a Mazda 626 Diesel. They were amazing: great grunt down low: exactly where you need it. (I could go around a tight round-a-bout in top gear at 1000 revs, then accelerate cleanly away (albeit gently: but suffering none of the turbo problems I find with the current Peugeot 405 diesel.) regards Doug PS: which car do I prefer? The Pug due to its great driveability! The Mazda was an easier car to drive though, due to the engine flexibility. On Thursday 22 September 2005 6:00, Chris lloyd wrote: I have no problem with turbodiesels, just wondering why that design won out over supercharging. A supercharger can use up to 20bhp of an engines output and turbos are cheaper to make. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
Hey, people: I was not really serious! I know there are a lot of Linux ( BSD) users on the list. I guess in the next few years there will be a lot more regards Doug On Tuesday 13 September 2005 4:30, TarynToo wrote: Hi all, Notwithstanding this list's rule that says 'nothing is off topic', it seems to me that there are already a huge number of websites and mail threads involved in the NT/XP/BSD/Linux/Macintosh religious wars. Would bringing such a thread to the BD group increase content levels, or just increase noise levels? On the other hand, since I am without sin, (no M'soft on my networks ;-) I'll cast the first stone While I admire the incredible breadth and strength of Linux development, I prefer variants of freeBSD for most applications. FreeBSD seems marginally more stable and secure than Linux running web and data server apps, many of which were first created on and for BSD systems. For desktops and personal workstations, the freeBSD/Mach/Darwin variant of unix, delivered as Apple OSX, while not fully open sourced, is so much superior to every other GUI/user interface, that it just seems counterproductive not to buy Macs, especially for running unix on laptops. They're cheap, fast, friendly, and sturdy. They're delivered with an unbeatable set of consumer applications built in, plus X11, with thousands of applications ready to compile, all the linux/unix developer's tools like a cross-compiling gcc, perl, cvs, php, and java, and a competent and extensible developer's GUI. They just work. Ok, take up your weapons, YAPORS* begins! * Yet Another Pc Operating System Religious Skirmish. Taryn http://ornae.com/ On Sep 12, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi all,Hi Felipe,Hi Mike ... Doug,you are right,we should start a Linux BD list and there is at least one reason-to tell all our friends here for the advantages of the free OS`s.But I think it is better this way,giving more members the possibility to touch the idea of freedom in the net.It is close enough to the minds of the biodieselers-to keep the world as clean as possible and to be free to lead the life as everyone prefers. Best wishes to all of you,I am going back to the BD installation I am assembling right now. Rumen Slavov ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Violence mayhem....
I am really sorry that New Orleans had to go through the devastation of Katrina. However I have to compare how the people of Asia handled the ravages of the Tsunami compared to the anarchy of the population of New Orleans. One picture I carry from New Orleans is of the violence shootings. I think it is time that the Americans gained some common sense, got control of the gun situation. I am amazed at the stoicism of the Asians in the aftermath of the Tsunami, and the comparison in my eyes to the current events leaves me horrified. regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mikes everywhere I look!
At least they are not Cameras! regards Doug On Thursday 01 September 2005 12:05, Mike Weaver wrote: My GF says even one Mike is too many... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi, I actually answered this before When you operate the lever, 1/2 the magnets turn over, effectively short circuiting the magnetic field (ie every second magnet flips over). When the lever is in the lock position, all the magnets line up to send the field through the workpiece. It only takes a small amount of effort to operate the lever, because the magnets pivot, effectively cancelling the pull of the field. regards Doug On Tuesday 30 August 2005 4:24, Joe Street wrote: Hi Chris; Why don't you tell me since you have the device and I don't. I am guessing that the lever acts on a fulcrum and raises the magnet from the base a small distance. Joe Chris lloyd wrote: Hi Joe, what is the lever doing inside the tool holder, it moves about 4 inches. Chris. - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2005 6:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots You mean a little force over a long distance like? Chris lloyd wrote: The magnets are swiched off using a lever. No power or external device required. How did you move the lever then?? It is not that there is no force used to move the lever, it takes very little force to move the lever and without moving it I cannot move the tool holder. The force used to move the lever seems disproportional to the release of the tool holder. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Linux, virii and Microsoft
Hi Rumen, perhaps we should start a Linux Biodiesel list?? (LOL) I am using an IPcop firewall, which I find great. Easy to set up, and it will give you a secure wireless AP. On my machine I use Mepis linux, which is based on Debian. My systems are on 24/7. To my knowledge i have never been hacked. regards Doug PS: I feel it is important to give back to open source software in kind, so I have done some proofreading for documentation. Every little bit helps. On Tuesday 30 August 2005 2:46, Rumen Slavov wrote: Hi all,Hi Mike, Grutje, Arden, you have never been alone!Linuxoids are all over the world! MS has been kicked out from Japan, China and even from Bavaria! Dear Mike,rarely there are homes with just one comp.In my house there are 4 and the net comes trough firewalled router on Linux kernel, supplying two more houses with shared Internet. This situation lasts for 2,5 years now and we all have not experienced any troubles.My comp is dual boot - Linux/XP, `kuz my son likes to play games under Windows, but even in this case everything goes smooth. I would like to ask for assistance again - do somebody knows how perform quality test of BD using paper chromatography? Best to all R.Slavov __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Virus Warnings
Linspire is good BUT: apparently the normal install does not secure the system enough (because the default is to run the user as 'Root' (ie with full Admin rights). This is definitely not recommended. You can set a user up, but it requires some work. Distros like Mepis, on the other hand, boot directly off the CD. Normally all standard hardware is detected. (there are some crippled devices like Winprinters (Windows driven printers that use smarts in the window driver), some modems that are not easy to get working.) Once Mepis is running, you can select an icon to load the image to the hard disc. This will move HDD partitions, etc to create room if required, set up a dual boot system. Mepis has most of the commonly required software on 1 CD, with the OS too. I love Linux, because I do not have to worry unduly about Virii, I can open as many Web pages as I want (I had over 100 pages open once - I wondered why my system was a little slow! I commonly have 50 open: try that with the opposition M$ OS.) If you really are interested in Linux, check if there is a Linux User Group (LUG) near you, because they will always help, there is an incredible amount of web based help available. (Google Linux search: look for newbie sites.) regards Doug (stepping off soapbox) PS: for the Hardware compromised try Puppy Linux: it will run on even a '486 system happily. On Tuesday 30 August 2005 1:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Linux if you know nothing about it and want the best support in the industry to be able to get things done I would choose Linspire http://www.linspire.com/ The guy who created this was once a Microsoft employee and had left the company to create his own, he also has an internet phone company and a online music service plus something else I cannot think of right now. Myk ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Nick, how these work is for 1/2 the magnets to turn over, so cancelling the field when the lever is operated. When closed, all the fields are lined up the magnetic force is strong... regards doug On Sunday 28 August 2005 9:01, Nick Jenny wrote: OK I may have come in late on this but you can cancel a permenant magnetic field, look up magnetic vise or chuck. They are used on milling machines to secure the workpiece. The magnets are swiched off using a lever. No power or external device required. Regards Nick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 1:18 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots ah yes, magnets once again -hold on to your wallet Wes Moore wrote: I received the following a few days ago. I suspect there may be folks on this list who would find this interesting. The source is from Anthony Craddock who organizes info for Dr Tom Bearden . the page that is linked at the bottom also has Tom Bearden’s website linked. Wes Try finding the original magnetic astronauts boots that were developed by NASA. The original boots were excellent. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He /stepped/ as he walked, putting his foot down and then picking it up. There is no problem in finding magnets strong enough to hold the astronaut firmly in such an upside position. The problem with simple magnetic boots using such strong magnets is that, once the foot is planted, unless he is King Kong himself, the astronaut cannot pick up the foot again. However, the Radus boots completely solved that problem. If the permanent magnet fields are switched off uh, how do you switch off a permanent magnet? ans. you don't and everything following is therefore BS for that foot that the astronaut wishes to lift, he can lift it easily and take another step. Then if the fields are switched on again as he places his foot down, this switching of the fields allows him to walk in a manner resembling normal walking, though a little slower. To do that switching by normal battery and coils would be prohibitively bulky and heavy and awkward to say the least. With the Radus boots, the astronaut could pick up his foot by simply switching off the permanent magnetic fields easily. They switched on again when he placed the foot down. And he did not have to carry a huge battery around with him, to furnish enormous current to do that. Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that, when you can switch a permanent magnet's fields easily, and the magnet also has a built-in memory as did the Radus magnets, then with a little ingenuity in switching one could use such switchable magnets to produce a self-switching, self-powered permanent magnet motor. oooh, free energy The magnet, being a permanent dipole, is already a particular kind of free energy generator, since it continuously gates magnetic energy no such thing as magnetic energy directly from the vacuum due to its asymmetry in the energetic vacuum flux. From the energy barons' viewpoint, those Radus magnets and Radus boots had to go, and go quickly. And go they did. nonsense So NASA then developed the present shuffler kind of magnetic boots where the astronaut can't pull his boot loose from the surface, but must scoot his feet along in a sliding and painfully awkward fashion. That way, you see, no one can use the boot magnets which now are just rather ordinary permanent magnets, without memories and without switchable fields to make an overunity device or a self-powering permanent magnet engine. Tom Bearden Radus family members have now very kindly provided photos of the original boots, which can be seen at http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers
Cliff, we are all here to discuss learn. Do not be afraid to state a view that is not widely held. It is only by airing these views that we can either be convinced by you, or you by us to lead a better, more peaceful existence. regards Doug (an Aussie...) On Sunday 28 August 2005 2:17, Clif Caldwell wrote: Hello Keith, As I am fairly new to this list I should have done some achive research before posting. My bad . You obviously have spent quite some time arguing your opinion on these political issues. I have not. I spoke from my convictions not from my expertise. As far as /trolling/ I must admit I am unfamiliar with this term. I assume it has to do with a certain type of behavior on mailing lists or in chat rooms. Since I have very little experience in either arena I will do my best not to do this in the future. I may not be the brightest bulb in the box but I do learn. From now on I will allow these political issues and religious issues to be discussed here without my input. With my somewhat limited verbal sparring skills and my deep seated convictions I would simply get in the way of /meaningful /discussions. Is this penitent enough for you ? The unanimously vehement reaction to my comments speaks volumes. Thanks for the education. It is all your's. I don't mind a good fight but why bother . I will limit my discussions to areas I know even less about, namely building my first biodiesel processor. Have at it. Signing off from this thread and any other remotely related threads. With warm (occassionally very warm) regards, Clif Keith Addison wrote: Hello Clif Keith Addison wrote: My my. And I was just thinking you might be a man who'd do a bit of checking before he shot his foot off. Again. I do rather wonder what you mean when you say right here in America when actually where you are right now is right here on the global Internet, on a global discussion group with a global membership that includes many Muslims living in Muslim countries, who are probably more aware than you are of calls from your country - calls and deeds done - to kill them and their leaders. But that doesn't count, does it? It does here. If you want outrage over the coverage of the war in Iraq you'll find it aplenty, but you won't like it - it's outrage at the unquestioning, knee-jerk coverage your so-called liberal press (ROFL!!!) gave to the pack of blatant lies that led unfailingly to everything and everybody getting torn to pieces in Iraq (as most of us predicted at the time), including your precious military, and every single promise broken. Guilty as accused concerning not backing up my statements. I have remedied this in another post. Well, you haven't given Fred any work, each and every one of your refs has been debunked many times before and it's all in the archives. In Iraq, we're not fighting for ourselves, said Bean, from his home base in Fort Campbell, Ky. We're over there fighting so the Iraqis can have their own Fourth of July. LOL! Yeah, it's not funny, but black humour's a survival trait these days. And guilty as accused as writing from a decidingly US perspective. I have traveled extensively including performing tsunami relief (as a civilian paying my own way) in Banda Aceh, Indonesia (90+ % Isalmic). Please understand that I have cried with, struggled with and even prayed with Muslims and Christians all over the world. (I have carried out humanitarian efforts in Central and South America and Jordan also.) Unfortunately I was not as sensitive as I should have been to all the readers of this list. I am a former officer in the USAF So you keep saying. so perhaps I do have a fondness for the fine, exceedingly capable and patriotic men and women serving to protect and defend a country Americans are inclined to be VERY careful about seeming to criticise that, most will pay it due obeisance. But most people here are not Americans and can be expected to treat it as the false sacred cow that it is. Again, please see the archives, we've had Purple Heart-winning US vets arguing with each here before this. So you might as well stop saying it, it doesn't secure you any high ground. I personally feel is a pretty good place to live. Perhaps I am living under some delusions and if that is the case then I'm sure someone will try to correct the errors of my ways. Thanks for the input. I will give it some thought. Just a guy sorting things out, I wonder. I think you're trolling. You slip in and lay some flame-bait, it duly raises noise and distraction, then you're all penitent about it, and then you do it again, twice so far. I'm not convinced by your penitence this time, and there won't be a third time. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Clif Wow and to think that I was going to use this list only to figure out how to
Re: [Biofuel] Warning to List Members
Hi, this is why I use Linux as an operating system (as do some others on the list). Linux systems have none of the Microsoft 'hooks' that the most common virii use. I have noticed a few members are sending HTML emails. Could I request that everyone sends in plain text? (this is achieved by going into the email program setup and either turning off HTML or turning on 'text only', depending on the email client.) Hakan has given good advice with attachments. Well worth following. As an aside, it is now possible to run Linux from a CD/DVD, without a full system install. This means that if you wish, you can use Linux for browsing, email (But of course you would need to reload that other operating system to run some of the 'normal' programs, until you see the light realise that there are other options that are usually free as well). regards Doug On Monday 29 August 2005 6:46, Hakan Falk wrote: It is one or more members of the list that got a virus and it is going through saved email and send to the addresses. It is a quite normal ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez
Hakan, I was in Sweden in 1985 on a course with Ericcsson for 8 months. I found Sweden high taxed, but using the tax money to help the residents. One example would be that rent was subsidised. Probably Sweden has changed a lot from those days, but I know the political stability has helped the country grow, and the Swedish people with it. regards Doug On Saturday 27 August 2005 9:03, Hakan Falk wrote: Chuck, What do you know about this and it was not long ago that US also had an 80% top tax bracket. The Swedish tax laws are modelled after the US, but you are right in that Sweden have 80% were US have 60-70%. Then we come to deductions etc, and the picture is not that clear. US and Sweden is much closer than many belive. Tax laws are not that simple, but on social security for its citizens, Sweden is far better than US. According to general living standard it is statistically far better than US, first or second place in the world, were US is in the 6 to 8 bracket. Sweden with a total population (8 million), around half of Paris, London or New York, have an amazing number of successful international corporations. Hakan At 05:47 27/08/2005, you wrote: So you think Sweden is a sucess? Try living there with a tax rate of 70%. Chuck From: TarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:42:00 -0400 It's impossible to say Communism would've collapsed even w/o our help, since every state that has attempted communism, with few exceptions, has been destroyed by the U.S.A. and its allies using some combination of economic warfare, bribery and corruption, economic and military support of 'counter-revolutionaries', and support of handy fascist states. The exceptions? China, which was so isolationist and so poor that it wasn't seen as any great threat, and whose own leaders were always so corrupt that it was only communist in name. Israel, whose experiments with small scale communes were instrumental in the technological, social, and economic success of the country. Lots of western and northern european countries have either dabbled in communism (e.g. Italy), or socialism, (e.g. Sweden) with much success, and without the grotesque economic inequalities seen here in the USA. http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/ForRicher.html And of course our most repugnant attack on communism and socialism continues within our own borders, with the state sanctioned murders and beatings of union organizers, persecution and prosecution of accused communists, the unending pro-business, anti-communist propaganda, McCarthy's witch hunts. (now re-invented as the Patriot acts), and the almost complete sellout of media and government to commercial interests. I'm sure that many will take exception to everything I've said. Feel free to use facts to support your position. Oh... Mike, as I re-read this before posting, it seemed like I might be attacking you. Actually I agree with everything you said, except (maybe) that communism always fails. Thanks, Taryn ornae.com On Aug 26, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: Ah, I think Communism would've collapsed even w/o our help - it blew up in places even where we weren't meddling. My own thoughts are realistic Capitalism - a reasonably regulated free market economy and a pragmatic federal government. Think, oh, Finland. I do think the Constitution allows for national health insurance: Quote: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#DOMTRAN, provide for the common defence http://www.usconstitution.net/constmiss.html, promote the general Welfare http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#WELFARE, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#POSTERITY, do ordain http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#ORDAIN and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Falls under general Welfare Andy Karpay wrote: ... It was stated here earlier, but the US is responsible for Allende's death in Chile (1973?), Guevara's death, death in Honduras (Iran-Contra scheme where arms were sold to Iran, our ally of the day, and the proceeds sent to the death squads in Honduras), on and on. It is stated many times in this country that communism has failed therefore it is no good. The truth is that much of communism's failure, in this hemisphere particularly, is due to our country's intervention to ensure the demise of democratically elected leaders (you can, and we do have democratic communism). The US's
Re: [Biofuel] Comment on Aussie ethanol Biodiesel.
Keith, As an Aussie, I have to agree with you. The Ethanol debate was derailed by vested interests. The issue was that some fuel discounters were adulterating fuel with low taxed substitutes and this was causing issues with some cars. This misinformation now means that the market is distorted against ethanol. There is a tax on home-brew Biodiesel, when used on the road. Off road use does not attract this tax. I have never heard of anyone actually being prosecuted for this offense... regards Doug ps: I think Robertson should be charged with inciting terrorism On Sunday 28 August 2005 4:40, Keith Addison wrote: Dear Pannirselvam Dear Wdt As motor made in Brasil to run on ethanol has engine design with higher compression than gasoline car , you can think of importing the same as the technology envolves not only the engine , but also several other parts of the car.As I understand , may be Keith knows much better , the bioethanol fuel programme made in Australia is not yet made suceeesful one. I don't know any better Pan. I think you're right, and I think they made it a maximum of 10% with 90% gasoline, following a disgraceful disinformation campaign against ethanol. That was a couple of years ago, I think it's all in the list archives. I haven't followed it closely since then. Last I heard they were proposing big taxes on biodiesel, including homebrewers, but I don't know what's become of that either. Maybe this is what one should expect from the world's #1 coal exporter and #2 global warming denier. Australians themselves are another matter, I don't know how long they'd accept this kind of treatment. Regards Keith Regrading making etanol from waste orange we can help you as this can be made using simple technology sd Pannirselvam Brasil On 8/26/05, Wireless Data Transfer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello there! This is the second time I post this question, since nobody responded to the first time, please advice! snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers
Thanks: I find that illuminating to say the least. I personally hope that the US does take this further, otherwise how can they insist foreign powers prosecute their citizens for similar acts (including for instance statements by Mullahs) regards Doug On Sunday 28 August 2005 8:26, S. Chapin wrote: Dear List, A bit about the legal ramifications, though there will be none, of Pat Robertson's statements concerning Chavez. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20050826.html by John Dean . Cheers, S. Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Hakan, I think the $ slide is well overdue: how else are we (as in the rest of the world) to rein in the misuse of resources in the US? My only real fear is that the US will use all its nuclear weapons to take what it needs to stay afloat... regards Doug On Wednesday 17 August 2005 7:32, Hakan Falk wrote: Tim, Please try to research the subject a bit more and you will find that apart of being quite unwilling to give foreign aid at others level, it is used for political ends and corporate profits. Regarding US financial situation, Clinton actually did a great job to create a fiscally sound foundation, to deal with the US deficits. That work is gone now and US has never been in a worse situation. If it were any other country in the world, it would be declared in bankruptcy and it is only able to continue, because the disastrous world wide implications of such a move. Since Bush is not doing anything about it and his best advisers left him due to the inaction, nobody knows where it will end. The heavy slide of the dollar is a result of inaction, not a thoughtful financial policy. It is actually so bad that responsible American economists do not want to debate, afraid of trigger a run on the US economy. They do not see that it already begun, with major countries unloading their dollars. Anyway, this is not fun to talk about and pointless, since nobody is going to do something about it yet. Hakan At 21:00 16/08/2005, you wrote: Hakan, It really amounts to aid with no strings attached. But even then there must be measures put in place to ensure accountability such as progress reports, inspections, etc. In an indirect way, when the US imports goods and services that translates into foreign aid. The US has a huge trade imbalance. The US also has considerable foreign direct investment in PPE that has got to help the local economy. This may sound snippy but I suppose much of this activity can be interpreted as exploitation. Tim Schlueter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hakan Falk Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 1:40 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Tim, Nothing really, neither size or methods, but it is a matter of using foreign aid as a part of foreign policies and control. US is mixing their foreign policy goals and corporate profits, with the way to distribute foreign aid. 1. US is selective and set the rules for their foreign aid, as an instrument to enhance their foreign policy goals. The countries I mentioned refrain from mixing foreign policy goals and only look at the needs. 2. US is demanding that the money is spent with US companies and it is only if there are no US suppliers available, that the money can be spent somewhere else. This means that they short circuit any true bidding process, with lowest price and suitability as parameters. The countries that I mentioned, allow for an efficient purchasing process, with price/performance as the only measurement. This often means more for the money. Sometimes and for unique needs, all the countries will directly deliver produce as aid. The over riding factor should always be what is best for the recipient and not the convenience of the donor or donor related corporations. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Hakan, except the poor 'terrorists'. (but I do not condone terrorism, but I wish we (as all the countries of the 'West' could understand the frustration that drives radical acts such as terrorism.) regards Doug On Wednesday 17 August 2005 6:36, Hakan Falk wrote: Doug, It will be hard times for US, but I do not belive on the nuclear option. It is nothing that really can be taken and as we see in Iraq, it is very difficult to collect on resources. The Americans will not allow for a draft and the considerable resources needed for any effective occupation of anyone. I hope and belive that it will be new elections and Bush cannot stay on anyway. By then it will be a higher degree of awareness with the American people, that they are in deep sh-t. Hopefully a suitable leader will emerge. At the end I do have a strong belive in the American people and their basic goodness. We are maybe lucky, in the fact that US no longer have an adversarial to blame and hate. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Robert, as a non-american, I totally agree with your sentiments. Government is for the people, by the peoplenow where have I heard that before?? I think the worst thing that has happened in the last few decades is the recognition of the corporation as a 'person' - which is why we cannot slander, or really restrict the power wielded by the corporations. How long is it since the Anti-monopoly legislation was used in any country? regards Doug On Saturday 13 August 2005 3:45, robert luis rabello wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do I start? Oh boy! First, I have a real problem with any government (U.S., state, local) taking my hard earned money (in the form of taxes) and redistributing it to others. You live in a country where you have the ABILITY to earn your money, and you question the legitimacy of the government in taxing your income? You live in a country with an elaborate infrastructure undreamed of by the Constitutional framers, and you have a problem with supporting that infrastructure? Now, there are legitimate things that each of these levels of government can spend taxpayer dollars on, namely, those outlined in their constitution or charter. We do not live in the same nation that existed in 1789 when the Constitution was ratified. In the case of the U.S. Government, these include national defense (not necessarily offense, though), minting currency, postal services, etc. When the U.S. Government (or perhaps the state governments) start spending my money outside the bounds of the Constitution, it is no longer legit. Not so, else that kind of activity would have been deemed unconstitutional long ago. Yours is a tired argument from the 1930s. I would like to see Congress try and pass an Amendment to allow giving loans to foreign nations and never expecting repayment of those loans. How much support do you think they would get from the populace? What on earth are you talking about? If you're so concerned with fiscal restraint, why not encourage the Federal Government to pass a balanced budget amendment? Deficit spending is a serious problem, of which foreign aid is a vanishingly small percentage. Governments, such as our federal government, do not own the money they give to others - the money belongs to the taxpayers (and bond holders) who provide the money. If you look on a dollar bill, you will find a statement that reads: Federal Reserve Note. Read Section 8 of Article 1 for further enlightenment on this issue. How can the U.S. Government consider giving money to poor African countries as charity, when it isn't their money to give? The percentage of spending that goes to aid nations in the Third World is tiny, compared to overall government spending, and while much of that spending goes right back into American corporations, the largest dollar amounts invested overseas occurs in the form of military assistance. Israel, by the way, is the biggest recipient of American foreign aid. We have discussed this issue to death previously. A search of the archives is in order. As I mentioned previously, if the U.S. Government would stop taking my hard earned money and donating away, perhaps I would have more money that I could freely give to organizations like the Red Cross (this is only one example, there are others) as charity. The amount of money that you and I could donate for foreign aid would do very little to help. Only governments have the financial wherewithal to make a difference. We Americans like to think we're generous, but an examination of the facts shows a very different picture. Third, the idea of giving for the sake of giving is lost on most politicians. Inside the Beltway, a politician's power is measured by his or her ability to fundraise - accepting money from some generous sole to support some Cause of the day. Have you ever met a political donor that didn't expect something in return? The President and Congress are just as guilty of wanting something in return for helping other nations. How much money have they pumped into the poorer nations of the Iraq War Coalition? Likely a lot less than we've spent in Iraq ourselves. Socialism and true communism may have its value to some and will thrive in some places of the world, but I prefer not to live under it. Then don't use the socialist electrical grid, power plants, highway system and telecommunications infrastructure that Americans have collectively paid for over the years. I suspect you will also not want to participate in any of the corporate welfare that has gone on either. Health care? Don't bother going to a county hospital, or the local library. Oh yes, and police and fire suppression should also be high on your list of socialist government services you can do without. Even if you didn't learn how to read
[Biofuel] Re: Snakes
Our King Brown snakes are not a friendly snake: they are territorial, and will attack if cornered. However, we rarely have a person in Australia die from snakebite. Snakes, as I have said are a protected animal. I would imagine that if you are far enough away to kill a snake with a gun, the snake is far enough away to not be a problem. If I had to kill a snake, I would use a green stick, or the flat of a shovel. I have not killed a snake on purpose for well over 20 years. There would be 100s of snakes on my land, but I hardly ever see one. (But I did call the snake catcher once to remove a snake from the house: they capture them, release them in the bush.) regards Doug On Tuesday 09 August 2005 5:58, Doug Younker wrote: Rattlesnakes do strike without provocation, I just don't want them around, but I don't go out of my way to seek them out to hunt them down. I would rather the bull snakes handle the rodent population. Doug - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] guns Greetings, Rattlesnakes are not aggressive and I never kill them. They head the other direction when they hear you coming, so why kill them? They do kill rats and mice that carry disease, so the snakes are welcome unless they decide to become egg poachers, then unfortunately I have to kill them. I only kill snakes that attack with no provocation, while you are sitting still and they find you. As I said, I keep the guns on my farm. I generally carry my 380 in a shoulder holster, easier to work with than a shot gun. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] guns
Hi, I am an Aussie. I think the email (that I clipped) is b/s. Even the name sounds a hoax... (Ed is not a commonly used name in Aust, usually Edward is shortened to Ted). To my knowledge, firearm offences have dropped in Aust since the firearms laws were introduced. There has possibly not been a decrease in violence: but it is generally less lethal to be hit or stabbed takes a more considered (if you take my meaning..) approach than pulling a trigger. Can you please explain to me how owning a gun makes you feel safer? Before the gun buy-back, we had a number of accidental shootings, and family related murders (eg family argument: someone picks up gun: gun goes off etc..). This has now largely stopped. Gun associated death in Australia was never a really high percentage anyway (unlike the US). We do have a Gun lobby in Australia, that I suspect is part financed by the US gun manufacturers. So please, before you post emails such as that one, please check the facts. I feel the group is largely pacificist in nature, particularly the non US contingent. regards Doug On Sunday 07 August 2005 8:35, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I received the following email and I have not been able to find that it is a hoax, yet. .. Bright Blessings, Kim Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts... From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] guns
On Sunday 07 August 2005 10:42, Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, How about an aggressive poisonous snake? Bright Blessings, Kim Hi, I live in the country with more poisonous snakes than the US. (The Eastern Brown is more poisonous than the rattlesnake for instance). I have found that if you respect them, they respect you. You just use ordinary common sense. Snakes are protected in Australia. You only kill them if they are an immediate danger. We do not have Boars, but there are wild pigs in the bush. I have never heard of an attack that would require a gun. regards Doug (Guns: I can live without them!) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] guns
On Sunday 07 August 2005 10:38, Mike Weaver wrote: Have a look at: http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp Doug Foskey wrote: Hi, I am an Aussie. I think the email (that I clipped) is b/s. Even the Yep, Snopes pretty much lines up with my statements. There are also figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, but they tend to be at least 18 months old. There is an increase in some types of crime in Australia, (eg the old, due to the baby boomers retiring, causing an increase in the elderly population), but overall, (except for our stupid involvement in the US lead invasion of Iraq) we are a safe country. regards Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Nippon Paper Group calling for submissions now.
FYI (not sure if I have seen it mentioned. 'apologies if it has) regards Doug -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Fwd: Nippon Paper Group calling for submissions now. Date: Tuesday 12 July 2005 7:58 From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Betts 07/07/05 4:03 pm I-Crosby, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/07/05 10:29 am Forwarded by Edmund, Bass Greens Secretary (Correspondence) There is now a critically important opportunity to get Nippon Paper Group to follow Mitsubishi Paper Mills's recent lead in deciding to purchase woodchips only from plantation or regrowth sources. Nippon Paper Group is now calling for submissions in developing their new policy on raw material procurement. Comments will close on the 19th of July 2005.. View Nippon's statement at this address: HYPERLINK http://www.np-g.com/e/news/news05061701.html Scroll down to public comments and submit your view to Nippon Paper Write a submission encouraging Nippon to follow Mitsubishi's lead. --- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cheating bully
I have been a linux user for over 5 years. I consider M$ software to be overpriced, particularly for the well known 'bugs' it contains. M$ needed a competitor to bring the company back to reality. Unfortunately any commercial competitor is either bought out, or suffers from anti-competitive behavior. Linux is the only competitor to survive this. (Although M$ is currently buying patents to restrict the operability of Linux with M$ products.) M$ products, however do have their place, and Linux is not always the answer. I find I no longer need, or want many commercial software products. This does not mean Linux is free (as in Free-beer), but I pay for it by trying to help the community (as a non-programmer by assisting with documentation, proof-reading, etc.) Linux is becoming very easy to use, and some programs are at least the equal of any M$ offering. The main reason I think Linux will be adopted more is because Linux is generally not afflicted by the viruses that Plague M$. (This is partly due to design, because to make a file execute, the user must change the file status. This stops many of the type of email virus that afflict Outlook Explorer.) However a Linux virus is not impossible, and there have been worms, but they seem to be controlled much better than the ones that afflict M$ products. To be blunt, I have never had a virus checker on my computer, or ever felt the need for one. I do keep the system updated, however, and make sure I use reasonable security measures. If people wish to look at Linux now, I suggest downloading Mepis Lite from Mepis.org. This is a live CD (meaning it can be run directly from the CD, without installation on the computer), that will run on old hardware. It comes with most of the software the average user requires- Wordprocessor, browser, email graphics, etc. Mepis can be fully installed later if you like it. (co-existing with M$ if you must!) regards Doug (who never has to run stolen software) On Saturday 25 June 2005 12:43, Chris Lloyd wrote: Yet, I think there is still hope. Microsoft, one of the world's biggest bullies, is facing its biggest battle from the community: Linux. I have been tracking Linux for a while now, and countries around the world are finally standing up to the Microsoft bully. It is nice to finally see people who have balls. Countries, spending less on infrastructure software, will be able to spend more toward pressing social needs. I will never understand why people think Microsoft is a bully. You never have been forced to use it, I had a choice of several programs in the 60s but they were all a pain to use. I still think Amiga was one of the best systems for graphics but lest face it only around 10% of computer users have paid for all their computer software so what's all the fuss about. Chris. Wessex Ferret Club (http://www.wessexferretclub.co.uk) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
I must admit I think this idea has merit: The US closes its borders the rest of the world trades around it. There would be no reason to sell the US our oil as the US would not be able to export its useless products: think no more useless Disney! No US Armaments to the rest of the world! (either sold or missdelivered as 'anti-terrorist acts'). I love the idea regards, a peace loving Aussie... On Sunday 05 June 2005 7:31, lisa simpson wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan .. what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this logic!) I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan. 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our interference in their affairs, past present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never interfere again. 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence. 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them. 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers. 5.) No foreign students over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a D and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while. 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.) 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not interfere, They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything. 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens. 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us Ugly Americans any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan. The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?' ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to friend... If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator
Hakan, the foamed, aerated concrete has one difference to AAC, in that the cells are sealed. AAC (Hebel, or Ytong) tends to have more porous structure. I agree that the way you are talking is better, using insulation Gypsum sheet. regards Doug On Thursday 28 April 2005 12:44, Hakan Falk wrote: Doug, Because chances are that it is not that effective as sound insulation and rather the opposite, it will work like a microphone membrane. Sweden has been leading in this field and it is a lot of manufacturing of Ytong around the world, on license from the Swedish company. Again, 35+ years ago I participated in the work to develop methods for sound insulation in buildings of prefabricated Ytong elements. Ytong and cellular concrete poses quite special problems when it comes to both sound and vibration insulation. For a small project like this, a construction with 13 mm gypsum plates (fire protection also) and mineral wool could be both very effective and low cost. The critical is not the wall, it is vibration against low frequency sound, because it is low rpm and one or two pistons on this kind of engines. The venting and cooling is the challenge, but the radiator is separate as I understand it and can be placed outside the insulation box, which makes it easier. You could even use the cooling for production of hot water and additional heating to the building. If fact with cooling/heatpump from electricity, you will get a very good cogeneration system. http://energysavingnow.com/plugin/hvacpump.shtml http://energysavingnow.com/hvac/energymove.shtml http://energysavingnow.com/hvac/acunits.shtml etc. Hakan At 02:31 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: Why not make a Cellular concrete housing? Cellular concrete is made by adding foam (which looks like shaving foam) to a cement mortar mix. Check buildlite.com.au or other googled resources for more info. regards Doug On Thursday 28 April 2005 4:53, JD2005 wrote: Great Chears Hakan; It's the Changfa engine from a Jetman 12KVA generating set and it's very noisy.Presumably, because it's such a big engine.It's not, currently, sound proofed in any way but there is a baffle on the exhaust. It looks exactly like the picture on the first page of www.utterpower.com . I've seen baffles for the exhaust advertised on ebay.Would these make any significant difference to the noise? I could quite easily build a box around it with wood and line that with high temperature something or other to act as a sound proof.Do you know if this would work? What would be the best material to sound proof it with? I'm here in Oxfordshire in the UK. Slap bang in the middle of town. There is a cellar, however, part of which reaches under the pavement! If I can get the generator into this part of the cellar all aprox 200 KG of it or more and it cannot be heard on the street outside, when I run it, then I'll be quids in but if it can be heard then I've got to start thinking of ways to sound proof it so that I can sell it. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk I can look at it and maybe come up with some advices, but need information of what you mean by sound proof first. I also like to know the environment, how it is placed etc. Describe the problems. Hakan At 02:12 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: Anybody know how to sound proof a Changfa diesel generator? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Changfa diesel generator
Why not make a Cellular concrete housing? Cellular concrete is made by adding foam (which looks like shaving foam) to a cement mortar mix. Check buildlite.com.au or other googled resources for more info. regards Doug On Thursday 28 April 2005 4:53, JD2005 wrote: Great Chears Hakan; It's the Changfa engine from a Jetman 12KVA generating set and it's very noisy.Presumably, because it's such a big engine.It's not, currently, sound proofed in any way but there is a baffle on the exhaust. It looks exactly like the picture on the first page of www.utterpower.com . I've seen baffles for the exhaust advertised on ebay.Would these make any significant difference to the noise? I could quite easily build a box around it with wood and line that with high temperature something or other to act as a sound proof.Do you know if this would work? What would be the best material to sound proof it with? I'm here in Oxfordshire in the UK. Slap bang in the middle of town. There is a cellar, however, part of which reaches under the pavement!If I can get the generator into this part of the cellar all aprox 200 KG of it or more and it cannot be heard on the street outside, when I run it, then I'll be quids in but if it can be heard then I've got to start thinking of ways to sound proof it so that I can sell it. JD2005 - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk I can look at it and maybe come up with some advices, but need information of what you mean by sound proof first. I also like to know the environment, how it is placed etc. Describe the problems. Hakan At 02:12 PM 4/27/2005, you wrote: Anybody know how to sound proof a Changfa diesel generator? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: Lutec
Hey guys? Was this an April 1 special?? (April Fools Day) I did not look at it, but always look at things that are too good to be true as they probably ARE too good to be true! regards Doug On Friday 01 April 2005 8:15, Chris Bennett wrote: Tom Irwin wrote: Hi All, Some of you real physics guys have to tell me how this thing can possibly work. As near as I know from teaching the subject in school you can't get more energy out of a system than you put in. You can't even get the same energy out that you put in. How in the world can you get 15 times more energy out than you put in? Please help me. I'm lost. Tom Irwin You are quite right. Its absurd. It can't possibly work. I have seen several similar claims in recent years claiming their invention will give 100% power increases they usually ask for donations or deposits somewhere on the site. No mention was given in the site to paying money but I did find a section asking electrical workers to apply to go on one of their 'seminars' to become part of their network of approved installers! Unless of course they are genuine, in which case I am going to sue the university that tought me the fundamental laws of thermodynamics and wasted several years of my life! The sad thing is that these sorts of people often make large sums of money from the less educated amongst us who believe what they are told. Chris.. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Firstly, Keith: good to see you back! Hope all is well with your health now (or the future is rosy). Hakan, you have reflected my sentiments exactly. I too think it is time the Western world woke up to the fact that so many in this world have so little. It is time the resources were spread more equitably. regards Doug On Wednesday 30 March 2005 8:52, Hakan Falk wrote: Phillip, It is multiple sources and some of them quite credible. The worst thing is that it is collaborated by real events. In the past, the general view towards Americans was a love/irritation relationship. When I was working in US and decided to move back to Europe. My American friends could not understand it. They claimed that I missed chance, I was an immigrant that US wanted and would encourage to stay and get citizenship. My answer was that despite it is no other place that have so much toys for grown ups, I felt like living on an isolated Island with a dominant population of children. I am today very upset and disturbed. In my life I worked a lot with US and have many dear American friends. George W. Bush, his administration and cohorts, have made my dear friends look like dangerous and corrupted lunatics. I am also very worried, because the love/irritation relationship has been transcended to a hate relationship. Where Americans, women and children often says you do not like me, to get a confirmation on that this is not the case, I have never felt that it was hate. What I see and hear now, is signs of real hate towards the Americans in the rest of the world and it is not promising. I only hope that this will change with the term limitation of George W. Bush and that he will not succeed with a Hitler like coup to prolong his reign. This feeling of an eternal conflict situation, is not good for me and the world. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea
Hi, Have you thought of using Linux for this use?? There are no problems with the thought police, there are optimised distros made for these types of jobs, inc real-time o/s's. Remember: no virus problems in Linux (albeit yet!) regards Doug On Wednesday 23 February 2005 5:03, Michael Redler wrote: Thanks Paddy! Ah yes...time. It's funny that way. I remember being in high school and complaining how I didn't have any money. It would be nice to have both some day. :-) Mike Paddy O'Reilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've been thinking about using old PCs to do exactly this job for ages and for work I've used LabWindows to drive the parallel port for a host of stuff. I've been looking at using plain old DOS6.22 and freeware TurboC for control. Most parallel ports are bi-directional (well on any PC that still works), TurboC can be quite compact and when you run it under DOS there are no crazy Windows traps to fall into. I tested the PC port of an old 90MHz Pentium and I think I got 22ns switching rates from it. However, I haven't managed to get the time or useful purpose for any of my ideas yet but I'd be delighted to give you as much info as I have on controlling parallel ports and my limited knowledge of Turbo C. Paddy. DHAJOGLO wrote: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Attn. Pack Rats -- (maybe) A cheap Process Control Idea Hi everyone, ... I was thinking of developing generic software (in C or assembler) for old computers to convert them into process controllers. For example, it might make an effective temperature controller for your still. If this works, I would take the programs and put them on a web page for download. If it's truly generic (compatible with all XX86 architecture), it will be a matter of copying the executable file to the hard drive of a computer, adding a line to the autoexec.bat file and making a harness (serial/parallel port to solid state relays and sensors). Mike, I think you have a great idea. I do know that your choice of OS will be important. Between linux and microsoft there are a host of small, compact OSes that can be customized for specific support. I say this because depending on the level of control you are looking for (just turning off a mixer after a time limit or actually opening valves and running pumps) may be difficult to attain with a generic OS. However, I would look into the following areas for inspiration http://www.automatedaquariums.com/ http://www.brewtechlabs.com/prod01_falcon.htm http://www.employees.org/~joestone/Sbs/ http://www.controlanything.com/ When I started beer brewing I ran across some of this information. I don't brew enough beer to use any of this but its worth looking into. Let us know how you are progressing. I may be able to provide some help though I have never tried anything of this nature. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ The information contained in this e-mail and in any attachments is confidential and is designated solely for the attention of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, copy, distribute or retain this e-mail or any part thereof. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete all copies of this e-mail from your computer system(s). Please direct any additional queries to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
The process you mention is the process to make Hebel. The problem with using that process, is you need heat (ie Autoclave), and the product is reactive, so requires epoxy coated re-inforcing. The process I am interested in uses externally generated bubbles of less than 1mm diameter, mixed with (fine sand) mortar. This creates a product similar to Hebel, but with better (from my searching, anyway) water properties. (Hebel cannot be wet as it looses strength) Proper aerated concrete retains much of the strength of normal concrete. regards Doug On Tuesday 15 February 2005 8:03, Greg Harbican wrote: I don't know about using soap, but, professionals make it by mixing in aluminum chips. The aluminum reacts with the calcium hydroxide, and produces aluminum hydroxide and H2 gas. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:52 Subject: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
No problem, Caroline. I would be more likely to posr any results on the list, as there are others probably interested. Others are welcome to use the Delete key! regards Doug (I really like the group because we have such diverse interests views!) On Tuesday 15 February 2005 7:33, grahams wrote: At 02:52 PM 2/14/2005, you wrote: Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? There are many recipes for how people make/use homemade soap for dishes. I would suggest you make a batch of concrete as the directions state to get an idea how the consistency is supposed to be at each stage and then experiment substituting with homemade soap -whatever recipe you decide to use. Perhaps you will need to adjust your soap recipe (or quantities needed) to end up with a similar outcome. I would love to hear of your results, email me privately if you don't mind when you experiment. Caroline Caroline ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Soap aerated concrete
Hi, I am searching for information on making aerated concrete. For those interested, basically foam is added to a mortar mix, and the mortar can be up to double the quantity, with reduced strength, but added insulation. This is achieved with an organic soap (from what I have found), but I was wondering if anyone had seen info on using home made soap? http://pelagic.wavyhill.xsmail.com/cellcrete_how.html is a site I found with a home made processor From my search on the web, protein hydrolisation seems to be the soap/additive that is used for making the foam. I have not found any more info on how this is made though. Can anyone help me?? regards Doug (I am interested in making tilt up concrete panels for a building.) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Vacuum Solar Tubes
Hi, 2 sources of vacuum pumps: Medical off diesel cars. I have used an ex-medical vacuum pump to transfer liquid. They will usually evacuate to about -1/2 atmosphere, or about -3.5 lbs. Car vacuum pumps are not as good. Most pumps require oil mist for lubrication, but this can be introduced near the pump. (note that sucking up methanol using a catch jar, vacuum pump can result in the pump seizing due to lack of lubrication, presence of methanol vapour: guess how I know?? regards Doug On Monday 07 February 2005 8:23, Stanley Baer wrote: I am very interested in building vaccuum solar heating tubes as well. I have not looked into it in depth buth if you only need a bit of a vaccuum you may be able to get it by using an air compressor and a venturi. A used vaccuum pump might be available on ebay at an attractive price. Keep me posted if you do any actual expeiments. stan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] [OT] Metric measurements
Or a Tardis it would not matter! signed Dr Who (For all the illiterati, Dr Who was an English SF TV Series, His Time Travel machine was the Tardis) On Saturday 22 January 2005 6:50, Keith Addison wrote: Maybe you could call it a tardometer. It's fashionable after all: slow food, slow fuel, slow time, slow Kirk. Kirk 1 furlongs per fortnight = 0.000166309524 m / s or .6 meters per hour. Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how muddy the road is. or whatever was It depends. How long is a furlong? Hmm? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/36267/ Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Metric measurements
There are some different standards in Metric threads. The 'normal' threads are all the same to 8mm, but 10mm Japanese has a different pitch to European. I think the larger ones may be different too, but I only use to 10mm on my motorcycle (a Guzzi Daytona for interested parties...Pity it can't be converted to Diesel! ( I have seen the Guzzi that has been converted, but I love V twins, particularly not of US Manufacture!) regards Doug (PS: The different thread pitches are for different jobs, much as UNC UNF threads.) On Saturday 22 January 2005 9:45, Jerry T Van Horn wrote: The only place metric fails is in micro measurements where 1000's of an inch is required, Maybe but after I finally figure out I need a 8mm tap then the clerk asks what pitch [there are 3] and I have to start all over again. I can multipy by 10 But I never had problems with NC or SAE. Jerry, Wi. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Windows warning
Well, I think this is a little early for April 1st. However, if true, another good reason to use Linux. regards Doug. (a Linux user for over 3 years: Long live open source!) On Monday 27 December 2004 7:01, bmolloy wrote: Hi All, Hmmm, didn't think I'd be posting twice in one session but this one could be an important issue for some, especially if you operate on Windows. Read on. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
