Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Wiki Server
Thank you for enableing this feature! There is a small error in the notification-mail. http://localhost/wiki; should be http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki;. I fixed this yesterday. Test again and let me know if there is still a problem. Regards Grant ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk] Tests in the Antarctica?
2009/7/20 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com: Not many polar bears in Antarctica either :) And not many penguins in the North Pole / Arctic. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] RU namespace in the wiki
2009/6/7 USHAKOV, Sergey usha...@int.com.ru: Hi, I have recently mentioned this issue in another topic, but then got an idea that the problem may be in manpower and/or knowledge of the language. Can anybody's assistance help to get RU namespace fully implemented? I personally have reasonable experience in wiki technologies (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:S-n-ushakov ) and will be glad to offer myself as an assistant. Added Wiki Ru namespace. Sorry, I can't read every thread everywhere. Me often in #osm on IRC. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Wiki Server
2009/7/20 Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net: Da gab es doch mal Bestrebungen, bzw. bereits konkrete Ankündigungen, dass das Wiki auf einen neuen Server in DE umzieht... Mir würde es reichen, wenn im Wiki die Mail-Notification angeschaltet würde, also Mailbenachrichtigung bei Seitenänderung. Enabled now. Apologies I took so long to enable this. Login - Preferences - Email (bottom of page) - Checkbox as you wish. Emailing will be slow/delayed during peak periods. / Grant ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Local Mapping Parties
Talk-ZA, OpenStreetMap South Africa is starting to hot up... There are 2 magazine articles discussing OSM South Africa coming out in the next couple of months. New Tracks4Africa converts... Time is ripe to introduce new comers to mapping, tools and getting involved. Can anyone suggest any venues for a mapping party? - Maybe near Bloubergstrand in Cape Town? - Somewhere in Gauteng? - Elsewhere? If we can work out a date soon, we could likely get it published along with the magazine articles. Weekend of 19th or 26th September would be ideal. Nic Roets has a few handheld GPS receivers donated by the OSMF to the OSM South African Community. Comments? Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [Talk-de] Planetfile 15.07.09
2009/7/15 Steffen Neubauer neuba...@geographie.uni-bonn.de: Hallo, was ist mit dem Planetfile vom 15.07.09 los. (http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2) Auf der Download-Seite steht zwar, dass es die Datei gibt und diese 6,3GB groß ist. Aber will man die Datei speichern hat man nur eine 0kb große Datei!? There was confusion around a postgresql password change and the planetdump ran with the wrong password. I noticed the failure around ~10:30 CEST and removed the effected files. Replacement files became available around ~20:30 CEST. / Grant ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Is CC-BY-SA really so ineffective?
2009/7/6 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I just checked out the BBC web site and while they say please get a parent's permission before taking part in any bbc.co.uk community if you're under 16, there is nothing remotely referencing COPPA there. Nor does it say if you're under 13 you may not look at our web site. Quote next section... If you're under 16: - Never reveal any personal information about yourself or anyone else (for example, school, telephone number, your full name, home address or email address). Not capturing any personal information from under 13 year olds, effectively makes them except from COPPA. / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-de] Hello from England
2009/7/5 northc...@gmx.de: dann könnte man auch mit einfließen lassen wieviel ein Mapper am Datenbestand wirklich beigetragen hat. Also eine entsprechende Stimmgewichtung mit einfließen lassen z.B. anhand der Gesamtanzahl ways+nodes oder edits über das letzte halbe Jahr etc. oder wie auch immer. Entsprechende Auswertungen anhand der Datenbank sollten ja überhaupt kein Problem sein. This has been discussed in Licensing Working Group calls, and there was no very simple way of working out total contributions and how to divide it out. We got limited by time and no resolution was made. What do you recommend? / Grant ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hello from England
2009/7/2 Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Dabei fällt mir noch ein: Ich wollte noch nach einem Dump des Wikis fragen. Schließlich steht dies auch unter CC-BY-SA. A wiki dump is on my todo list. / Grant ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL 1.0 Final Released
Legal-talk, Not yet announced here... ODbL 1.0 was officially released on Monday by Open Data Commons... http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ Our potential implementation plan: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan#Current Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SVG rendering on wiki
I changed the wiki ages ago away from rsvg to imagemagick, I can't remember the reasoning, there was likely some issue with rsvg rendering or resources usage. I have now changed it back to rsvg... let me know if there is a problem. / Grant 2009/6/30 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com Hi, can someone look at the svg rendering on the wiki? There are currently two problems with it: * they aren't rendered with a transparent background anymore (this used to be the case until some time ago) * the image page for some reason sometimes thinks the rendered image is a bit smaller than it actually is, which results in ugly pages like http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Belgium-trafficsign-a25.svg (the rendering is correct though, it's just put in a wrong size on the page itself) The rendering of resized images is also very slow, and can take a minute, so maybe that should be looked into as well. Greetings Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Anyone got GPS location for these?
brendan barrett wrote: Ok, I couldn't wait and emailed Mr Oelsner for the coordinates. That is the spirit! / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Anyone got GPS location for these?
brendan barrett wrote: Darling Wind Farm on top of Moedmag Kopi 33 18' 81 S 18 15'79 E 246 above sea level Added! -33.3135, 18.263167 Should appear here soon: www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-33.3135mlon=18.263167zoom=13 OpenCycleMap with Hill shading looks impressive: www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-33.3135mlon=18.263167zoom=13layers=00B0FTF / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Anyone got GPS location for these?
Wind Turbines - WC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8097882.stm / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] State Copyright on Spatial Information Products
OSM ZA, A few of us have been trying to get government data to include in OSM... While the Public Access to Information Act allows us to get the data relatively easily it does not answer the question of copyright and usage terms... I recently found the following draft(?) policy which might be useful: Copyright and ownership The spatial information products and services originated by the State are protected in terms of the Copyright Act, 1978 (Act 98 of 1978). As the State President is the holder of State copyright, all organs of State enjoy unhindered use of the spatial information products and services of other organs of State, without a need for further permission to copy in terms of that copyright. Where a copy of a spatial information product is made available to any third party outside the State, that private sector client must be made aware of the existence of State copyright and ownership of that information by the State. Any person or private sector organisation using spatial information products and services, or parts thereof, originated by the State (i.e. State copyright exists) may use such products and services without obtaining specific authorisation. State copyright must, however, be acknowledged by such person or organisation. A suitable statement to this effect with the applicable currency date or edition date of the data/product (e.g. State copyright acknowledged for …. Source : Statistics SA, 1996) must be included with such product, irrespective whether it be in digital or printed form. The State (through the respective department) retains the full ownership of its information, products and services at all times - access to information does not give ownership of the information to the client. Source: http://gis.ecprov.gov.za/SIMUWebsite/DocumentsPolicies/PolicyPricingCopyrightOfSpatialInformationProductsServices_Draft2.pdf http://www.nsif.org.za/Documents/Proposed%20pricing%20policy%20for%20spatial%20info%20public.pdf Further investigation is needed: - http://www.nsif.org.za/ - Spatial Data Infrastructure Act ( Act 54 of 2003) If anyone has any additional insight it would be appreciated. Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] OSM Website now supports translations
Talk-ZA, OpenStreetMap.org now supports translations... anyone feeling brave? http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/rails_port/config/locales/ en.yml is master / Grant PS: www.osm.org now redirects to www.openstreetmap.org ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Congrads SoTM Scholarship Winners
OSM ZA, State of the Map Conference Scholarship Winners have been announced! http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=496 Congrads to Nic Roets! / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Interesting Diary Post about OSM Namibia
Hi Guys, Interesting post about level of mapping in Namibia: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wallclimber21/diary/6433 / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] South Africa Local Contact(s)
OSM ZA, Could someone put themselves forward for the Local contacts mailing list? Quote SteveC: In order to more efficiently and clearly trickle down announcements like server downtime to the local lists, we've created a 'list of lists' for people to help take announcements and translate them to the local lists. More details here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036768.html Add your details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Local_Contacts Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Substantial defined article updated
Peter Miller wrote: Possibly we should change its name to 'Substantial - Community Norm' or 'Substantial - Guidance'? +1: Substantial - Community Norm / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Substantial defined article updated
Lauri Hahne wrote: -1 Substantial - Community norm +1 Substantial - Guidance +1 Substantial - Guideline Page renamed: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_-_Guideline Old page has redirect to new page. / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] State of the Map Conference Travel Scholarships
OSM ZA (and Southern Africa), OpenStreetMap Foundation has just announced the availability of a limited number of travel scholarships to the State of the Map 2009 Conference in Amsterdam, July 10th, 11th and 12th. Full announcement here: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-May/036667.html While South(ern) Africa is not specially listed, it may still be worth putting in an application. Any (self-)nominations? Let me know ASAP if you seek additional support with the nomination process. Regards, Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Defining Substantial in OSM's Context
Legal, The ODbL (potential future OpenStreetMap license) relies on the meaning of Substantial. The ODbL 1.0rc defines it as: Substantial - Means substantial in terms of quantity or quality or a combination of both. The repeated and systematic Extraction or Re-utilisation of insubstantial parts of the Contents may amount to the Extraction or Re-utilisation of a Substantial part of the Contents. On behalf of the Licensing Working Group I have started a wiki document to define what we as a project believe Substantial to be in OpenStreetMap's context. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_Defined The ODbL 1.0 Release Candidate is available here: http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ Regards, Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL: Defining Substantial in OSM's Context
Lauri Hahne wrote: I think the problem here is that our own definition of substantial is by no means binding. The definition of substantial in ODbL comes pretty straight from EU's database directive and the definition is ultimately up to courts to decide. I should have been clearer. This is supplementary advice and final definition would still be up to the License, EU database directive and a court decision. As suggested in #osm irc channel, this is more a community norm. / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] ODbL: Defining Substantial in OSM's Context
Legal, The ODbL (potential future OpenStreetMap license) relies on the meaning of Substantial. The ODbL 1.0rc defines it as: Substantial - Means substantial in terms of quantity or quality or a combination of both. The repeated and systematic Extraction or Re-utilisation of insubstantial parts of the Contents may amount to the Extraction or Re-utilisation of a Substantial part of the Contents. On behalf of the Licensing Working Group I have started a wiki document to define what we as a project believe Substantial to be in OpenStreetMap's context. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_Defined The ODbL 1.0 Release Candidate is available here: http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ Regards, Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] NOTICE: tile (mapnik) downtime today 7pm UTC ~30mins
OSM, Apologies for the short notice... tile.openstreetmap.org (Mapnik layer) will be unavailable for up to 30mins from 7pm UTC today. An external disk array (+controller) is being re-allocated to the tile server. Compulsory picture: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:DellPowerVault220S.jpg Kind regards, Grant / Firefishy OSM Sysadmin Team ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] OSM data
Tomas Straupis wrote: One more question. Is there a place to download frequently updated OSM data for South Africa? (Other than main OSM server). Cloudmade only updates data every week or so with a data which is a number of days old at the date of update. This gives me an average of ~10 days before I see my changes... Not too motivating. Geofabrik.de is doing daily updates which allows you to use the data next day after update. They are not currently extracting RSA data but we can ask them to do so if there is nobody else doing that already... I've asked Frederik Ramm of Geofabrik and he has agreed, daily updated downloads will likely appear here shortly: http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/africa/ If there is a demand, maybe we can look into a local download server for data / tiles / etc. There is already (extremely poorly maintained by me) www.openstreetmap.org.za. I don't mind handing out admin accounts or transferring control to better party. Site hosted in USA. Regards Grant Thank you P.S. If there is anybody interested in getting final production ready routable Garmin img files for S.A. - just let me know, I can upload them to public space. (img file at Cloudmade is error file which is not too usable for non mappers). ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-talk] Big changeset upload and '500 Internal Server Error'
Jacek Konieczny wrote: Hello, I am just doing big meta-data import for Polish cities. I have split the changes in 16 files, one for each voivodeship (province). Most of these changesets were uploaded without a problem, but a few failed with '500 Internal Server Error'. Those were the biggest files, over 1MB (other have few hundred kilobytes). It seems I have reached some limit. Is it documented? Is it that the 'waynodes maximum=2000/' limit (those big files exceed both 1MB size and 2000 changed nodes)? And shouldn't the error code be different, like '413 Request Entity Too Large' (in case request body size limit) or '401 Bad request' (in case of API limit)? Or, is it just some bug or misconfiguration? Server process likely overruns the designed memory bounds causing the 500 error. waynodes is nodes within a way. Do you have any ways made up of over 2000 nodes? changesets maximum_elements is 5, but this may be adjusted in future. Likely best to split the larger uploads. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Using Openstreetmaps on a website.
Dave Coventry wrote: Hi, I'm interested in getting a functioning representation of the South African Openstreetmaps on my web page. Brilliant! Yes there are a number of ways of doing it... in increasing complexity Option 1) www.openstreetmap.org, zoom to correct area, click export tab, choose Embeddable HTML from Format to Export and add Output html to your site. Option 2) Setup openlayers slippymap on your site using the openstreetmap.org default mapnik tiles. Guides: here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenLayers Option 3) Setup your own custom rendering tiles using Mapnik. (using postgresql postgis db) Guide: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapnik Likely loads of others... Note on 1: Commercial OSM guys exist like www.cloudmade.com which offer other more advanced HTML embedding options. Note on 2: Openlayers is very powerful, even supports vector layers, tiles could be proxy cached (squid) in SA. Bulk downloading of tiles not recommended. Note on 3: osm2pgsql, on demand tile rendering can be done with apache mod_tile. Weekly extracts of the OSM planet export are available here: http://download.cloudmade.com/africa/south_africa Is there somewhere I can get guidelines on how to do this? I am thinking in terms of using perl scripts to pick up the content (in either vector or as bitmap) and displaying it on my site. Stitching tiles is an option else the image export function on www.openstreetmap.org code might be a good starting point: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/tile.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/export Or would a better way be to mirror the database onto my site and use that? Are there tools for doing this? Is anyone currently doing this? See above, it really comes down to what you want to implement. See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_based_Services for inspiration, some have code. Regards, Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-talk] We're back
check again and report. / Grant Nop wrote: Hi! I noted that in the OSM inbox, all old messages are truncated to about the same length. I guess this is a result of transferring them. Are there any plans to restore them? bye Nop ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] best GPS for trekking
Lambertus wrote: I notice that my NiMH batteries (Ansmann 2700mAh) perform worse when it's cold, so maybe normal Alkaline batteries might be better in cold environments. Yes, rechargeable batteries die very quickly in the cold. Alkaline batteries are OK, but Lithium AA batteries are best. Warning: Lithium AA batteries generally run at a slightly higher voltage and DO NOT work in a Garmin GPSMAP 60csx until they have discharged a little. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] West Coast data slippy map
Looks good, great work guys. / Grant Adrian Frith wrote: OK folks, first rendering of the West Coast data is at http://htonl.dev.openstreetmap.org/west-coast/ Currently only up to z12, increased zoom levels coming as soon as I can render them. cheers, Adrian ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] municipality contact tracking via wiki
Hi, Started a page to track the data release by the municipalities: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/municipalities If someone has a chance, could you please wiki-fy the rest of sections? Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-legal-talk] API + Licensing Update
SteveC has posted 2 import updates rolled into 1. http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=459 Shaun McDonald has also just announced the launch of Crap-O-Surface Detector with OSM smoothness tag support. http://blog.shaunmcdonald.me.uk/2009/04/the-crap-o-surface-detector/ Any other important April 1st announcements I miss? / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] National Routes - when are they freeways?
Mark Williams wrote: As I undestand it, a freeway is a highway that has a centre island divide BUT does not have stop streets and robots at intersections, rather it has on-off ramps and bridges. There are also other restrictions. eg: 80cc motorbikes and slow vehicles as far as I know. Road Traffic Act 29 of 1989: freeway means a public road or a section of a road which has been designated as a freeway by an appropriate road traffic sign. This is symbol used I believe: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:UK_motorway_symbol.svg National Roads (eg: N1, N2, etc) can have freeway sections. eg: N2 - Mossel Bay - George bypass , Port Elizabeth Bypass. Other category roads eg: M1 (Gauteng) can also be designated as freeways. There are a few Region roads (eg R21 - Gauteng) which have freeway sections. Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Cape Town Selling Out
Brendan, I've half attempted contacting a few municipalities, without much success... Knysna, Stellenbosch, Hermanus seems to have outsourced their GIS departments to a private company... Emailed Joburg municipality and within minutes received an almost threatening email from a private company asking where we (OpenStreetMap) got our base mapping data from and letting me know that the company has private contracts with unspecified municipalities and we would not be able to get access to their data. Situation today, is you can get mapping data from many of the municipality, modify it, transform it, hack it up and release it very easily. Civil engineers, estate agents, cartographers / mapping companies, (open source) developers etc are doing this daily... Once the data is under license from a private company, the data likely becomes a walled garden. Pay or stay out and don't think of distributing unless you pay megabucks more and stick to the license agreement. Forget about innovating unless you have very deep pockets. / Grant brendan barrett wrote: Yeah, but without any details, I don't want to ring any alarm bells or jump to any conclusions about anything. I perhaps spoke with a lack of concrete information. That said, it might be worth investigating. In the mean time however, judging by the success of the Cape Town and Durban imports, perhaps we can have a concerted effort to get all remaining government data that is in the public domain, and keep it on an FTP or something for import into OSM. Does it make sense breaking this up into areas and picking municipalities off one at a time? Also, does anyone here have any Directorate contacts? For the next few weeks at least I will perhaps not get too much done, but this is something i'd like to get involved in anyhow. West Coast is going to be my next target. Regards, Brendan ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Cape Town Selling Out (was: Mapping Informal Areas, Khayelitsha, Cape Town)
brendan barrett wrote: There's no need to chat to them about feeding data back as they are not going to maintain their data moving forward. They told me that they are going to switch to using data from the local mapping company (the same one Google Earth is getting its data from). Truly terrible! I can think of nothing worse. The South African Promotion of Access to Information Act (PAIA) of 2000 (http://www.acts.co.za/prom_of_access_to_info/) gives every citizen the right to information held by the State at the cost of distribution! (eg the price of a blank CD). Once the City of Cape Town licenses the data from Navteq / Teleatlas / BCX / Whoever this becomes NULL and void. Yes, GIS data is expensive to maintain, but it's absolutely vital for the functioning of a modern society and increasingly for online activities. Brendan: can you find out more information? Who, What, How... and details of how this will effect the Promotion of Access to Information Act 2000 from the City of Cape Town. / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Telephone Debate
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: In the past couple of license working group meetings we've been trying to figure out how to get more input from the community on everything without descending in to a free-for-all. Does that mean that what we've so far collected on the Wiki (and the lists, and the co-ment site) is considered as having descended into a free-for-all and thus by implication somehow worthless? (Still struggling to see the negative in free-for-all but you seem to be convinced that the license must not be discussed by all.) My views, not the Licensing Working Group (LWG) The issues from the Wiki have recently been sent to the licensing legal council, LWG haven't yet had an answer. I am not a lawyer and even as a member of the licensing working group I am unsuitable to answer most (all?) of the _legal_ questions. OSM process discussion I can handle... Item from the minutes: http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/licensing-working-group-minutes-2009-03-06/ * Open community call + IRC sessions in order to address questions. Weekend scheduled. March 14th, 4PM tentative. 2 hours. Technical chair needed (Andy?) w/ another media open for raising hands (another irc channel). Agenda needed, designed by community, with times for each issue (3-4 issues). You say that issues should be raised on IRC; does that mean that you only want to discuss *additional* issues that are not yet on the Wiki, or are you basically requesting that people copy+paste the Wiki pages into IRC if they want to affirm the importance of these issues? Or is this more of a psychological exercise where Joe Mapper is allowed to speak his mind and be heard to make him happy (in which case it would be ok for 10 people in a row to say the same thing). See above. We waiting for reply. Licensing Working Group (LWG) going through the questions on the Wiki to make sure we have forwarded all the relevant legal question. Wiki will likely be updated in that process. The wiki isn't the only medium and we may have accidentally overlooked some other questions. The phone call is an attempt to address this and encourage more people to feel part of the process. Maybe we should hold the telephone call in Esperanto or Volapük. But seriously... Maybe transcribe the first call and translate and follow up the call with a German call or German mailing lists discussion, whichever is best for the regional community. Then again, the LWG may have made a bad decision here, we are human after all. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Spam] Re: License Telephone Debate
Richard Fairhurst wrote: As long as the phone conference is _additional_ to the existing processes, not replacing them, I don't really see a problem. Existing avenues for feedback are of course: - this list and talk@ - international mailing lists - co-ment - the wiki - odc-discuss - (have I missed any?) and I'm sure the working group will be taking them all into consideration. Addition and not as a replacement. The wiki is the Licensing Working Group's main focus, we are looking in other mediums and the telephone call should be viewed as part of this. We're made up of native English and Dutch speakers, we need assistance from people who speak other languages. Ironically I've had to suspend my Open University German course for few months because of the amount of time I'm currently spending on OpenStreetMap. (Licensing working group, Tech working group + planning, vandalism working group, Hardware fund raising, Server orders, Sysadmin, ZA Gov Data release, +minutes, other)... I have a full time day job too. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] 0.6 move and downtime (re-scheduled)
Dear all The API downtime scheduled for the 0.6 API transition has been postponed due to delays acquiring the new database server. The re-scheduled API downtime for the 0.6 API upgrade is now the weekend of the 17-20th April 2009. Original announcement... http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-January/033294.html Developer information: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6 / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Is it just me, or is the wiki logging other people out all the time as well?
Peter Miller wrote: The OSM Wiki seems to be kicking me out. Last night when I log in I could see my watchlist, but when I tried to edit a page it told me I was not logged in and gave me a 'view source' page rather than an edit page. To keeping the wiki up and running until we get a new server I have made some fairly drastic hacks. These pages DO NOT display login status. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features (+language versions) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges This is done by the reverse-proxy stripping the cookie on these pages, allows improved caching. I don't believe it should cause any issues other than described above. If you click the view source button you should take you to the standard edit window. Regards Grant PS: Does anyone have high bandwidth hosting available for a supplied 2U or 3U server? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code 2009
Google Summer of Code 2009 has been confirmed. Mentoring organisation applications accepted until March 18, 2009. Who took the lead last year? We applying again this year? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code 2009
Jonas Krückel (John07) wrote: Hi, it seems to me that the Pool of Potential Projects on the wikipage is outdated. For example routable garmin maps are already working now. Should i correct/delete this ideas? Yes. Be bold. Last years text for the application: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_SoC_application_2008 Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Anyone Available in Durban?
OSM in Durban, eThekwini has given us permission to upload the municipal data but someone is needed to collect the data. Is anyone available in Durban willing to go with a with a blank CD or memory stick or USB HDD to a municipal building on Victoria Embankment in central Durban? Everything has been cleared with their office and is ready to go. Contact me on list or offlist... Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-talk] License to kill
SteveC wrote: A 'pure' OSM perspective should of course come from the OSMF lawyer and I hope you/the 'licensing group' will be able to explain some of the outstanding Use Cases to him so he can give an opinion. Is that going to be possible within the consultation phase? I don't see why not - Grant add to the agenda and lets discuss. No problem, added to the agenda already yesterday. COMMUNITY HELP... Could I ask some guys to please go through the list http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Use_Cases And flag which one still require a response from the OSMF lawyer including those that require extra explanation to the lawyer. Peter Miller has also suggested on the talk page that some items might be appropriate to merge. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License working group meeting minutes - 2/2/2009
SteveC wrote: I disagree Grant I think the first agenda item should be how to pull in more people, how to open up the process and have people contribute and connect better now that the license is finally out. Confusion... I'm was referring to the first * of http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/officers-board/working-group-minutes/licensing-working-group-minutes-2009-02-02/ Agenda going forward... Yes I agree. Regards Grant On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:09, Grant Slater wrote: http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/officers-board/working-group-minutes/ I believe the first agenda item is what pushed towards the suggestion of using the Factual Information License for individual contributions. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mirroring planet.openstreetmap.org
Milenko wrote: I’m bring my mirror (planet.king-nerd.com) of planet.openstreetmap.org back up to date. I currently use a script with several wget commands due to the redirects to ftp.heanet.ie ftp://ftp.heanet.ie when downloading from the planet. This works fine, except that the heanet.ie site is quite slow here most of the time. I’m currently getting speeds of 20 – 50KB/s, which will take weeks to get the last couple planets. Is there a way I can sync directly with planet.openstreetmap.org either without the redirects, or via some method other than http (rsync, etc)? We are unable to offer rsync:// or ftp:// from planet.openstreetmap.org due to port filtering outside our control. Let me know the IP address (offlist) used for downloading the planet files and I'll add it to the mirror redirect exclusion list. Alternatively pass ?nomirror to the url to not be redirected eg: eg: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-090218.osm.bz2?nomirror Please try use the mirror if at all possible. If the above is still not acceptable... chat to me (offlist). rsync+ssh:// is an option, but it has its own drawbacks. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] License working group meeting minutes - 2/2/2009
License working group meeting minutes from 2 Feb 2009 are now available here: http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/officers-board/working-group-minutes/ More to follow... I believe the first agenda item is what pushed towards the suggestion of using the Factual Information License for individual contributions. Regards Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: It's all too fast...
Peter Miller wrote: Even now we are getting no explanations from the foundation to our questions. Either this is because they dont know or it is because they dont think they need to contribute. I understand that most directors have not been in the loop so cant contribute. The only person we know has been in the loop is steve. Does he have answers i wonder? If not then no one knows and we are really in trouble. Many of the key issues are on the wiki already and we need a response to them now. Peter I am on the license working group... am I listening; yes. Do I know all (or any of) the answers off the top of my head; no. We (Licensing working group) have released as much information as we have at the moment. Do we have a secret hidden agenda; no. I will try get answers for the questions raised. Our meeting of the 2nd March hasn't happened yet, it will likely be later this week. Is the timeline in the proposed implementation plan overly ambitious... yes likely. Are the items all up for discussion yes. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Factual Information License and Produced Works?
Ulf Möller wrote: It doesn't look like it has been reviewed thoroughly (and the co-ment page seem to be password protected.) Passport protection was a mistake and has now been removed. / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] OSM Garmin Routable Map Available
Hi Guys, Using mkgmap I've created an OSM routable map... Seems to work for me. http://www.firefishy.com/za-gmapsupp-18022009.img.bz2 Install instructions available here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin/Mass_Storage_Mode Map can be viewed without a Garmin GPS using: GPSMapEdit (windows): http://www.geopainting.com/en/ QLandkarte (linux/unix) http://www.qlandkarte.org/ Garmin MapSource... later, requires registry hacking. / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-talk] Bad Bot Activity: Maarten Deen
Annoying... Stop stripping highway = xxx_link Just because you are smart enough to write a bot doesn't mean you should. I love my data, don't go f*** it up. Tiny Snapshot of stupid bot activity... http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/7801086/historyhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/7801086/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27719598/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/7797723/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26368630/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/26368718/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23284354/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23284362/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/31108800/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/7801085/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/7801086/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4425454/history http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4672026/history / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] East London now in Yahoo Imagery
East London is now available in Yahoo Imagery! / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure
The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement (ODbL). The working group have put much effort in to inputting OSMs needs and supporting the creation of this license however OpenStreetMap's expertise is not in law. Therefore, we have worked with the license authors and others to build a suitable home where a community and process can be built around it. Its new home is with the Open Data Commons http://www.opendatacommons.org. We encourage the OSM community join in the Open Data Commons comments process from today to make sure that the license is the best possible license for us. The license remains firmly rooted in the attribution, share-alike provisions of the existing Creative Commons License but the ODbL is far more suitable for open factual databases rather than the creative works of art. It extends far greater potential protection and is far clearer when, why and where the share-alike provisions are triggered. The license is now available at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and you are welcome to make final comments about the license itself via a wiki and mailing list also at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ up until 20th March 23:59 GMT. To be clear, this process is led by the ODC and comments should be made there as part of that process. Attached below is our proposed adoption plan and the latest will be at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan . This is not cast in stone and we welcome direct comments on the discussion page for the plan: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan . In summary, we'd like to give time for final license comments to be absorbed, ask OSMF members to vote on whether they wish to put the current version of the new license to the community for adoption and then begin the adoption process itself. The board has decided to wait until the final version before formally reviewing the license. Our legal counsel has also responded to the OSM-contributed Use Cases http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases and his responses have been added there. OSMFs legal counsel also recommends the use of the Factual Information License http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/fil/ for the individual contributions from individual data contributors, and any aggregation covered by the ODbL. There other open issues that we seek OSM community support and input on. If you would like to help, please give input at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Issues For instance: Who actually should be the licensor of the ODbL license? The OSM Foundation is the logical choice but are there any alternatives? And implementation What Ifs ... for example, what if the license is not accepted? Thank you for your patience with this process. The license working group looks forward to working with community input and an opening up of the process. -- All dates approximate for review. License Plan 27th February: * This draft adoption plan made public to legal and talk list with the draft license text made available by the Open Data Commons (with facility for comments back) . Local contacts asked to assist in passing on the message, and subsequent announcements. 2nd March: * Working group meeting. Finalise implementation plan following review of plan comments; What If scenario planning. 12th March: * Working group meeting. Review of community feedback received to date. 20th March: *End of ODbL comment period. 28 March: *ODbL 1.0 is expected to be released by Open Data Commons at The Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) London event. 31st March: * OSMF Board endorses licence and asks OSMF members (as of 23rd January) to vote (1 week) on whether ODbL 1.0 should be put to the community for adoption. What follows is based on a positive response from the OSMF members... + 1 week: * Website only allows you to log in and use API when you have set yes/no on new license. New signups agree to both licenses. Sign up page still says dual licensing so that we can release planet etc. People who have made zero edits are automatically moved over to new license and are emailed a notice. * Website to allow users to voluntarily agree to new license. Design allows you to click yes, or if you disagree a further page explaining the position and asking to reconsider as there may be a requirement to ultimately remove the users data. This will help stop people accidentally clicking 'no'. Sign up page now states you agree to license your changes under both CCBYSA and also ODbL. + 2 weeks? * Require people to respond to the licensing question. How? Should we deny API access otherwise? +1 month: *
Re: [OSM-talk] License plan
To be clear, personal views, not the licensing work group... Ben Laenen wrote: It looks like we finally got some kind of License plan for the step towards the new license, so everyone check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan Read the full announcement in all its glory: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2009-February/001958.html Discussion is best on legal-talk or the avenues as per announcement. * why don't you split between the votes whether you like license X and the question whether you're allowing the change of license on your data? Yes there is a vote for endorsement of the license. See proposed item 31st March. After all, I want to have an idea *how much* of the data will still be there after the second vote. If it turns out that any data from someone who gave his approval would be deleted, then count me as no vote. We do not know, it's impossible to tell yet. The very last thing any of us want is removal of any data. See final item in Implementation plan. * I still have no response to the question what would happen with my data if it's derived from someone who doesn't give it's approval for a license change. What do you think will need to happen? How about posting it here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Issues * Website to allow users to voluntarily agree to new license. Design allows you to click yes, or if you disagree a further page explaining the position and asking to reconsider as there may be a requirement to ultimately remove the users data. This will help stop people accidentally clicking 'no'. Sign up page now states you agree to license your changes under both CCBYSA and also ODbL. Question: how's that not pushing the new license onto the mappers? Well we have to start somewhere... If we do not get new members to sign-up to both licenses during potential transition, it becomes a chicken and egg problem. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License plan
David Lynch wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 08:08, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Would it be appropriate to continue this conversation on legal-talk? Talk is very busy at the moment and we have a lovely list of our own :) Why do the non-lawyers need to go to the lawyers if they're making proposals that impact everyone in OSM, lawyers or not? The announcement of the implementation plan wasn't even cc:ed to the larger community, which is completely inexcusable. Actually my mistake not CCing... fixing the situation in the next few minutes. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure
Please translate and pass on to the country-specific lists... Follow-up discussion best suited on http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk or the avenues discussed in this announcement. - The OSMF License Working Group is excited and pleased to announce the completion of legal drafting and review by our legal counsel of the new proposed license, the Open Database License Agreement (ODbL). The working group have put much effort in to inputting OSMs needs and supporting the creation of this license however OpenStreetMap's expertise is not in law. Therefore, we have worked with the license authors and others to build a suitable home where a community and process can be built around it. Its new home is with the Open Data Commons http://www.opendatacommons.org. We encourage the OSM community join in the Open Data Commons comments process from today to make sure that the license is the best possible license for us. The license remains firmly rooted in the attribution, share-alike provisions of the existing Creative Commons License but the ODbL is far more suitable for open factual databases rather than the creative works of art. It extends far greater potential protection and is far clearer when, why and where the share-alike provisions are triggered. The license is now available at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and you are welcome to make final comments about the license itself via a wiki and mailing list also at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ up until 20th March 23:59 GMT. To be clear, this process is led by the ODC and comments should be made there as part of that process. Attached below is our proposed adoption plan and the latest will be at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan . This is not cast in stone and we welcome direct comments on the discussion page for the plan: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan . In summary, we'd like to give time for final license comments to be absorbed, ask OSMF members to vote on whether they wish to put the current version of the new license to the community for adoption and then begin the adoption process itself. The board has decided to wait until the final version before formally reviewing the license. Our legal counsel has also responded to the OSM-contributed Use Cases http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_Licence/Use_Cases and his responses have been added there. OSMFs legal counsel also recommends the use of the Factual Information License http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/fil/ for the individual contributions from individual data contributors, and any aggregation covered by the ODbL. There other open issues that we seek OSM community support and input on. If you would like to help, please give input at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Issues For instance: Who actually should be the licensor of the ODbL license? The OSM Foundation is the logical choice but are there any alternatives? And implementation What Ifs ... for example, what if the license is not accepted? Thank you for your patience with this process. The license working group looks forward to working with community input and an opening up of the process. -- All dates approximate for review. License Plan 27th February: * This draft adoption plan made public to legal and talk list with the draft license text made available by the Open Data Commons (with facility for comments back) . Local contacts asked to assist in passing on the message, and subsequent announcements. 2nd March: * Working group meeting. Finalise implementation plan following review of plan comments; What If scenario planning. 12th March: * Working group meeting. Review of community feedback received to date. 20th March: *End of ODbL comment period. 28 March: *ODbL 1.0 is expected to be released by Open Data Commons at The Open Knowledge Conference (OKCon) London event. 31st March: * OSMF Board endorses licence and asks OSMF members (as of 23rd January) to vote (1 week) on whether ODbL 1.0 should be put to the community for adoption. What follows is based on a positive response from the OSMF members... + 1 week: * Website only allows you to log in and use API when you have set yes/no on new license. New signups agree to both licenses. Sign up page still says dual licensing so that we can release planet etc. People who have made zero edits are automatically moved over to new license and are emailed a notice. * Website to allow users to voluntarily agree to new license. Design allows you to click yes, or if you disagree a further page explaining the position and asking to reconsider as there may be a requirement to ultimately remove the users data. This will help stop people accidentally clicking 'no'. Sign up page now states you agree to license your
Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing lists
Chris Hill wrote: I've just received about 30 emails from the lists with dates scattered over the last few days. Some of the threads suddenly make sense! Are there problems with the mailing lists? Cheers, Chris Mail server sending mail to yahoo was affected by this: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/postmaster/421-ts01.html Seems resolved now. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suspected copyrighted material in OSM
This case is now being investigated. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/FAQ#I_think_someone.27s_been_entering_copyrighted_data_-_how_do_we_deal_with_that.3F Regards Grant maning sambale wrote: Hi, We are seeing suspected copyrighted data added in the Philippines. In OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.35855lon=120.53538zoom=16layers=B000FTF See the discussion here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.ph/469 We have sent a message to the mapper but got no reply so far. The usual approach we do is talk to the respective mapper and request to remove any contributions that maybe copyrighted (unless there is explict permission from the copyright holder). We are not entirely sure whether it came from Google map/earth or what since there isn't any GPS trace to verify. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik updating more frequently?
Lambertus wrote: ... You've obviously not been paying attention to twitter, .. BTW, Where can we find that channel? The wiki does not have a clue... http://twitter.com/openstreetmap ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik updating more frequently?
David Lynch wrote: Is the mapnik render now updating more frequently than once a week? I'm seeing buildings that I added a couple hours ago appearing on there before even ti...@home/osmarender gets to them Ssh don't tell anyone :-) Congrads to Jon Burgess and team. Consider it beta for now. Most style changes are still only imported once a week. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] OSMF fondsen hardware
Sorry I cannot write Dutch; I am only able to write in Afrikaans and English. Stefan: Wat een non-sense; Kennisnet heeft al een jaar geleden aangeboden OSM hardware te sponsoren. De OSMF heeft genoeg geld over van de laatste SOTM, dus er is geen enkele cent van gebruikers nodig om dit te realiseren. Ik raad daarmee ook iedereen af om geld te doneren aan een organisatie die niet transparant is naar haar gebruikers. Kennisnet did offer support in ~Aug 2007. It took me a while to work out the hardware requirements as I was fairly new to the sysadmin team. I think by the time we submitted what we needed in early Nov 07 the offer had lapsed. Since then the project's hardware requirements have grown drastically. The OSMF did have money left over after the last SOTM, this is clearly shown in the AGM report of August 2008 http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/2nd-annual-general-meeting-london-1400-august-30th-2008/meeting-report/ OSMF needs to keep funds in reserve to fund/underwrite the following years SOTM. Sponsors do pay, but normally only after then conference has already passed. The OSMF also has other expenses. Alone, since the AGM, I have spend OSM funds on the following hardware: 3x HP DL360 G5 Servers, 1x APC AP7950 and misc networking Documented here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/Upgrades#Upgrade_History If you do have finance questions, it's likely best to ask the OSMF treasurer directly: treasu...@osmfoundation.org Otherwise I am happy to answer any other question you might have, preferred in English or very simple dutch. Kind regards Grant ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSMF fondsen hardware
Stefan de Konink wrote: No problem, I wonder who pointed you on this thread anyway. Please take this text as constructive, it is not intended to be written as troll, flame or whatever. It is written between 2:45 and 3:30am so... not the time these mails should be written anyway. A few questions from the thread were asked on IRC #osm. I followed up. Will this happen again? Because according to my potential sponsor counter we are now on 4 potential hardware sponsors, for NL alone. I'd be very happy to chat or be a bridge to the OSMF for potential sponsors. I was not aware of any others. ... My math system generally is only able to deduce one variable per equation at the same time. Even if the 2.500 euro's that were left over were spend on hardware we are not even close to 60%. If you don't find this /curious/ you might want to tell your users 6k was spend on legal or travel costs? Things that user group probably doesn't give anything about. Best to ask OSMF treasurer. As stated in the report, the £3500 spend on hardware in the previous year was low. Is this also the case for the Platinum sponsorship? Slow in paying, yes likely. Don't most companies wait till 89.5 days. ;-) Are the PIII servers still connected? If so, we might have a job for them :) No, the 2x PIII servers are not currently connected. Let me know what you need them for and I can try get them connected. The very simple question is of course: it is known to many that there is commercial usage of OSM data. I cannot understand and will not take for granted that only the minor users of OSM are willing to invest into hardware. Therefor the donation seems like a we (read: OSMF) need money, and the most easy way is to just ask the users. Yes you are correct. The sysadmin team is getting nervous about the rapidly approaching 0.5-0.6 migration weekend. The OSMF did not have the available funds to purchase the required DB server upgrade. A donation drive was seen as the quickest and easiest option. The community generously supported the donation drive. Over the next few months, I hope to tap commercial users for support in other hardware upgrades. (Assistance always appreciated). I think 2009 is going to be a large growth year for the project. Now what also was discussed on IRC; I presume this 10k will probably go to a 0.6 server, leaving other hardware available for other jobs. Just trowing new hardware to a job that is basically one single point of failure or performance bottleneck is not really going to help the users after a new data donation of lets say France or Italy. The 0.6 API / DB has extra consistency checks which opens the doors to additional database servers and replication. The server moving completely to MySQL-InnoDB (or PostgreSQL) also increased the storage requirement beyond the space we currently have. The current DB server is an up-spec'ed desktop machine, it's amazing it has lasted us this long. Now I sincerely hope OSM gets a freaking Sun X4540, with 64GB* of RAM and decent 48 disks array. And if someone is really smart, maybe ask if OSM can get it for free, instead of buying it with this new money. You can afford it anyway now :) This is my intention. Got any good contacts at Sun or HP? ;-) * at this amount of memory, ditching MySQL for something else might be an option. A lot of work has gone into making the 0.6 API backend compatible with PostgreSQL, unfortunately no promises yet. Maybe 0.601 ? :-) Kind regards Grant ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk] Alternative Map Renderings
Talk-ZA, Many new renderings of the OSM data are now popping up... and South Africa not being left behind. :-) Tiffendale Ski Slope Map: http://openpistemap.org/?lat=-30.65lon=27.927zoom=16 Hermanus Cycle Map and Hike Map: http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=14lat=-34.4lon=19.285 Tourist maps of around UCT: http://tinyurl.com/c7wldv and Pretoria CBD: *http://tinyurl.com/an3woo / Grant * ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Alternative Map Renderings
We'll just pretend that I didn't just send this to the wrong list... :-) Grant Slater wrote: Talk-ZA, Many new renderings of the OSM data are now popping up... and South Africa not being left behind. :-) Tiffendale Ski Slope Map: http://openpistemap.org/?lat=-30.65lon=27.927zoom=16 Hermanus Cycle Map and Hike Map: http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=14lat=-34.4lon=19.285 Tourist maps of around UCT: http://tinyurl.com/c7wldv and Pretoria CBD: *http://tinyurl.com/an3woo / Grant * ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Alternative Map Renderings
Talk-ZA, Many new renderings of the OSM data are now popping up... and South Africa is not being left behind. :-) Tiffendale Ski Slope Map: http://openpistemap.org/?lat=-30.65lon=27.927zoom=16 Hermanus Cycle Map and Hike Map: http://opencyclemap.org/?zoom=14lat=-34.4lon=19.285 Tourist map of around UCT: http://tinyurl.com/c7wldv and Pretoria CBD: http://tinyurl.com/an3woo / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-talk] Donate today for OSM's £10,000 serv er fundraiser
Łukasz Jernaś wrote: Well, you have some problems with international names on the donors list - mine is displayed with weird characters ;) Fixed and name corrected. Code expected UTF-8 encoded string, Paypal provided windows-1252. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Donate today for OSM's £10 ,000 s erver fundraiser
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Out of curiosity: will the new DB server be standalone, or will you setup a MySQL cluster with the old and the new servers somehow? Plan is for it to initially be standalone. But the 0.6 API starts the possibility of a slave or cluster database configuration. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Donations and bank accounts
Gary68 wrote: I for sure won't sign on to PayPal. And I won't give my bank xxEUR for shipping a few bucks across the channel. Having or signing up for a paypal account is not required. When you reach the paypal site there is a link (or form) on the left hand side to use your debit/credit card without having to login or signup to paypal. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Donations and bank accounts
Frederik Ramm wrote: Sometimes I think the foundation is hurting its own goals by being so damn secretive. Why did you have to make this a surprise? What was gained by that? 80n is not to blame nor is the foundation. There was a push from the OSM Sysadmins (yes, I'm to blame here) to get the donation stuff up and running quickly because we are getting nervous about the approaching 0.5-0.6 migration weekend. Without a new server it would be a nightmare. I apologise, yet may I suggest that it is not too late to setup what you suggest; pending agreement from those involved. Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Donate today for OSM's £10,000 serv er fundraiser
Frederik Ramm wrote: Can we have a Munin graph for the amount of donations received ;-) Best I can offer without sleep: http://donate.openstreetmap.org/raised.inc.html and http://donate.openstreetmap.org/comments/ (pretty formatting after sleep) Regards Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Rise of the towns
Hi Guys, Over the last few weeks and months a number of towns have been popping up in OSM. Random sampling... Any I missed? Kimberley http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-28.749lon=24.764zoom=14 Worcester http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.638lon=19.447zoom=15 Polokwane http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-23.9lon=29.47zoom=13 Grahamstown: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.31lon=26.52zoom=15 Port Alfred: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.6lon=26.886zoom=15 Hermanus: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.4lon=19.27zoom=14 Villages: Malelane: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-25.494lon=31.508zoom=15 Kidd's Beach http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.15lon=27.69zoom=14 St. Lucia http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=-28.38lon=32.42zoom=14 / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Tagging: Minibus Taxi Rank
Suggestions on how best to tag a Minibus Taxi Rank? amenity=taxi doesn't seem right. How about? amenity=minibus_taxi_rank Other tags: name=Jack Mincer taxi rank destination=Fourways; Booysens Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-legal-talk] Licensing Work Group update, 2009/01/30
Legal-Talk, Apologies but do due to a scheduling conflict, today's meeting is being rescheduled for early next week. We'll report back then. Regards Grant / Licensing Work Group. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] 23rd Dec board meeting
Liz wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, Dair Grant wrote:
You argue that anyone with a commercial interest in OSM (e.g., me) who's
listed on the {{PD-user}} page (me again) has a potential conflict of
interest.
That's the way Australian law works.
If I am on a Board (which I am) and some other aspect of my life, even
non-commercial could affect my decision making I have to declare the
interest.
OSMF Board member bios, declaring other interests.
http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/officers-board/board-member-bios/
Regards
Grant
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Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Cape Town Data
brendan barrett wrote: Hi everyone I have received the street level maps for the Cape Town Metro from the City. They have been quite helpful about it and don't mind us putting the data into the Open Street Map project. I have already given this data to a few people who requested it. If there is anyone else that would like a copy, please post to this mailing list and one of us will send you a copy, as well as the instructions on which user account to upload it with and the attribution required etc. I'd appreciate a copy. What format? shapefiles? / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Cape Town Data
Jan de Jager wrote: Will see what i can organise. http://code.firefishy.com/files/capetown-restricted-usage/ Please remember that this data has been made available expressly for an OSM import and likely cannot be used for any other purpose. / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Co-ordination in data collection
Paul Storry wrote: 1. Is there any coordination or organisation in the way the data is being collected in South Africa? By this I mean, is the local chapter (if there is such a thing) actively involved planning data collection or monitoring it's progress? We occasionally have social mapping parties where we meet, discuss and map a particular place. Recent parties have been in Hout Bay and Sandton City. We also discuss tagging and other organisation matters on this mailing list, the wiki or on IRC. Adrian Frith has discusses forming a Local Chapter: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-za/2009-January/000316.html 2. Has the OpenStreetMap effort attracted any local sponsorship? Not yet. Although the time to organise a mapping party would be great. :-) / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-talk] NPE maps broken?
Thomas Wood wrote: I believe the old WMSplugin used to send coordinates in OSGB36 rather than WGS84? This seems to be what the server side code expects, at least. I've hacked at Nick's code and added a dirty workaround which tries to work out if input is WGS84 and automatically convert it to OSGB36. Works for me. But best to still move to TimSC's WMS. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...
Tim Berners-Lee wrote: What sort of help do you think OSM will need? Money to run servers if the load increases? An existing standards org with facilities and process for the API and the XML format? What was it you had in mind? Yes, the OSM Foundation is badly in need of extra money (or highend hardware) to fund the next round of server hardware upgrades. In most cases we are already close to server capacity. We've also started looking for an additional hosting provider. - Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] IRC Channel
brendan barrett wrote: Does anybody know why the ZA IRC channel isn't working? Or is it just me? furion.org went away... ZA channel now on Atrum: irc://irc.Atrum.org/osm-za Web based chat here: http://www.atrum.org/chat/ / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-talk] Err, what?
Jonathan Bennett wrote: Is this our first bit of large-scale vandalism? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.78377lon=-119.20424zoom=16layers=00B0FTF Read all about it here: http://brainoff.com/weblog/2008/09/18/1352 / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] eThekwini Municipality (Durban) permission
More good news... Following on from the Cape Town news, we now also have official permission to import and use eThekwini Municipality (Durban) GIS data. Shapefiles, Webmap, etc available here: http://citymaps.durban.gov.za/ I encourage others to ask the other big municipalities: - Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality (East Rand) - City of Johannesburg Metropolitan Municipality (Johannesburg) - Nelson Mandela Bay Metropolitan Municipality (Port Elizabeth) - City of Tshwane Metropolitan Municipality (Pretoria) / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-talk] Problem adding images to Flickr OSM pool
Peter Miller wrote: I am having problems with adding Flickr images to the OpenStreetMap pool (and also to the ItoMedia pools) from a new user we have created. ... Can other people see ItoWorld's images in OpenStreetMap pool only when they are signed in? The images appear in the OpenStreetMap Group pool for me. Logged in or not. Likely caching flickr's side. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Few tips for new mappers
OSM ZA, Lots of new mappers. Few tips... - Use full names. Abbreviations are ambiguous. - Map what exists. Lets the renders worry about how things should be displayed. - Be bold. - You are OpenStreetMap / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-legal-talk] Council Permission Request Accepted - Followup Questions?
Legal, On behalf of OpenStreetMap I asked a large city council (Durban, South Africa) for permission use their online mapping website to find the official names for roads and features we are missing. I also asked for permission (expecting to be denied) to use the shapefiles on their public FTP site. http://citymaps.durban.gov.za/ Their reply from the head of their corporate GIS department: You may use any of our data for your project. Note that the online map is very up-to-date (seldom more than 1 to 2 weeks old), whereas the FTP site is only updated infrequently. AFAIK, they own all their own GIS data, unlike councils in the UK. Advice... Should I; thank them and go ahead and plan a full import of their data? (yay) Or Should I follow-up with a few question before proceeding? Licence, attribution, do-you-really-mean-what-you-just-said... etc etc. What questions? / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Copyright of OSM-Logo
Both trademarks are being registered in Steve Coast's own name. Contradicting the OSMF Board meeting on 2007/09/13: - To safeguard OSM's intellectual property Steve proposed that OSMF should secure the OpenStreetMap trademark. Steve stated that the costs of doing so would be in the region of £600. Proposal seconded by Mike. Steve to initiate the process. http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/osmf_boardminutes_20070913.pdf The OSMF board is discussing the trademark near the end of the month. / Grant 80n wrote: Richard Logo: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-number?trademark=2500155 Name: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-number?trademark=2500154 80n On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Johann H. Addicks wrote: The copyright of the OSM-Logo itself is CC-sa-by? Matt Amos drew the original one, cc:ed. When I was on the OSM Foundation board last year there was some discussion about trademarking it. I'm not sure where that is now though - anyone from the board here? cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trademark
Nic Roets wrote: I don't know about coca-cola-sucks.org http://coca-cola-sucks.org but coca-cola-sucks.co.za http://coca-cola-sucks.co.za should not be too difficult. See http://hellcom.co.za/ Not quite... Hellcom/Hellkom is a play on the name of South Africa's telecom operator Telkom and a critic of Telkom's monopolistic practises. Hellkom was sued by Telkom for defamation and trademark infringement. It got ugly. http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room/room/view_article.asp?name=../articles/Telkom%20v%20Hellkom%20a%20never%20ending%20battle.htm Telkom likely didn't like the negative press and withdrew the case. http://www.hellkom.co.za/news/local/1093-Hellkom-case-dropped---Moneyweb.htm / Grant ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] nicer wiki URLs
Stefan Baebler wrote: IMO I would be good to have nicer shorter URLs in our wiki. Eg http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Making_Overview could probably should be shortened to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/Map_Making_Overview The change would also need to redirect old URLs to the new, shorter ones Fix now... there have been many requests for this. I have gone for this format: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Main_Page - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page I've updated robots.txt so there may be a bit of search engine flux for a few days. Sitemap.xml updated. Old URL continue to function. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] nicer wiki URLs
Tom Hughes wrote: I don't really see the point of that - if you were going to get rid of the middle bit then fine, but just changing it seems a bit silly. As I said last weekend I had planned on getting rid of it when we moved machines, but the mediawiki manual scared me off. I enabled it for a more pragmatic reason. It makes robots.txt simpler. :-) I tested the mediawiki on my test config prior and all seemed to work ok. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki-Admin: Allow external images
Stefan Baebler wrote: another example: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Press Should be easy to use for journalists but clicking the icons takes them to the icon, not to the desired content I've installed the Mediawiki Imagemap extension and fixed the Press page. Having hackish internal image links is not a clean solution. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki-Admin: Allow external images
Claudius Henrichs wrote: Can any of the OSM wiki admins please set $wgAllowExternalImagesFrom to allow external images from wiki.openstreetmap.org? I would like to add a OSM2Go manual with pictures and have a 1-click-install image that links to a download page. I and proably others would need this setting for wiki-scenarios like this. I don't follow... what is wrong with the standard wiki syntax for linking an image? eg: [[Image:ImageName.jpg]] / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki Offline Copy?
Alexander Menk wrote: Hi! maybe a good intermediate solution would be to provide zipped wget -r copies of the wiki? Of course not everybody shall do wget -r wiki.openstreetmap.org because this would cause to much load, but I could offer some webspace and do weekly snapshots or s.th. like this? Dude! No no no. ~23100 pages x multiple page views x all history x special page links = big scary number. Do not do it. Bots are causing most of the load problems on the wiki, do not start another one. Unfortunately wget is excluded by robots.txt, that's why I ask before I do so.. Yes, wget is blocked for good reason. Wikipedia blocks it too. The server which runs the wiki will be upgraded soon. If the community then agrees, we could setup a weekly data dump. Something like: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dumps / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki recent changes not working
Pieren wrote: Since several days, it is not possible to see the last 100, 250 or 500 recent changes on the wiki. Only the 50 latest are possible which means approx. the last hour due to the big success of the wiki. Could one of the wiki administrators check this issue, please ? The wiki server (idris) is shared with a number of other tasks; SVN, Lists, Trac. Over the weekend there were some suspicious looking request (random hosts) heavily hitting the wiki hard causing the entire machine to slow to a crawl. This affected the code hack weekend in London I decided to temporarily block access to the heaviest pages. I will investigate further on Monday and likely remove the blocks then. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recent changes to slippymap Mapnik rendering
Gustav Foseid wrote: Is there anywhere I can find the stylesheet used for the main Mapnik layer? http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/ osm-template-fontset.xml AFAIK. I also think you also need the latest SVN mapnik. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Any West London mappers out there?
Ed Loach wrote: Looks pretty good (checking on Osmarender, though there seems to be a bug with rendering the eastern edge of the tile that I've raised on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list). The guesstimated trunk_link in the northeast has layer=2 and the building has layer=1, whereas the access road from the north (I didn't check the layer) seems to be below the building. I'd be tempted to split the link in two and remove the layer tag at the shopping centre end, unless the parking is on the roof. Parking entrance from the A3220 enters via the roof from what I can tell. The northern parking entrance is ground level. / Grant ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Any West London mappers out there?
Ed Loach wrote: I notice that the biggest urban shopping development in Europe opens this Thursday: http://uk.westfield.com/london I don't know if anyone in the area is planning on updating the map. I notice the area is currently tagged landuse=construction and there is a label Westfield London http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.5074lon=-0.22135zoom=16 I went out tonight and mapped the building layout as best I could. (snow = yes; wet = yes; cold = yes; dark = yes) I also added in the bus station within the complex (north west corner) and main parking access road off the northbound A3220 West Cross Road (guess work). South Bound access too? Added the missing road names immediately North and South of the complex. I've removed the landuse=construction for the moment. It doesn't make clear how you get to the parking yet (of course). I just thought if we could get the service roads to the car parks added when it opens that would be able to demonstrate the advantages of open mapping. But perhaps someone out there already has this planned? Or perhaps it is the service road near the roundabout in the southwest corner (not visible on Mapnik)? I recently added that. Difficult to be sure yet, but looks like it's only for buses. Added the new bus stops there, some still missing routes. Regards Grant ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Diffs + osmxapi are no longer updated
Jon Burgess wrote: The internal network connection on dev is broken. This has effected the munin graphs too. I've tried cycling the interface and driver but that has not helped. We might need to try a reboot next. Kernel version bumped, tweaks and rebooted. Diffs are back, but we'll see how it fairs. If the network card fails again I'll swap it out with a replacement. / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?
Lukasz Szybalski wrote: So its safe to assume that TMS is what mapnik provides? (only) and if I want WMS I would have to create that service on my server? Your server yes. OSM's tile servers do TMS only. Mapnik WMS support. http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/OgcServer / Grant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik and openlayers?
Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
Hello,
I am trying to use the turbogears widget for openlayers and I'm having
hard time figuring out how to point to openstreetmaps.org tiles.
One of the examples they have:
ol = WMS(name=OpenLayers WMS,
url=[http://labs.metacarta.com/wms/vmap0;],
options = {'layers':'basic'})
what would be a corresponding one for http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ ?
Do I use WMS? I can't seem to find the settings to use with mapnik...tiles.
See:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OpenLayers_Simple_Example
/ Grant
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