Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
I'm quite sure a really extended long tail could be very important for us, not necessarily from a volume point of view, but imagine 200M people in the US just adding their address. Alas I have not seen any tool in the OSM realm that is simple enough, and cuts out the jargon, to cater for such contributors. Simon Am 15.04.2013 06:24, schrieb Jaakko Helleranta.com: Not quite sure what Werner wanted to convey with the info about the shape and numbers of the long tail of OSM (perhaps nothing more than the numbers). Anyways, I'd just want to say that the tiny 0.1% of the data might well be a huge number of otherwise missing POIs, place or road names or other map features' details, tiny corrections to roads, etc. It's also likely a thing that has made 100+k people love OSM just a bit more. Suddenly 0.1% isn't that small anymore. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:37:22 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ? Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). I think the quotet 22 are those mappers that still own an active osm object. (last editor). Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/03_Statistik/planet/statistic.html statistic based only on the last editors. about 25000 Users only own a single node. 90% of all ways and nodes are last edited by about 7000 users. 99% by about 3 users. -- 9% of data, 23000 users 99.9% 8 Users -- 0.9% of data, 5 users and the rest: -- 0.1% of data, 14 users Regards Werner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On 04/13/2013 03:33 PM, Simon Poole wrote: While there is clearly room for improvement in converting account creators to contributors [..] What about asking them why they registered and did not edit the map ? Would a one-off mailing to users who registered more than three months ago and have no edits and no traces, with a link to an anonymous online survey be within the bounds of Openstreetmap's policy ? Again, this is not about the users with just one edit (it seems that those are well understood) - it is about users with no edit at all. Here is a rough outline of what it could be (of course, any such project will require a wiki page and much debate...) : Greetings from Openstreetmap - we have noticed that you created an account x months ago and have not yet edited the map... We would love to know why, so that we can provide better information to new users - would you care to answer this anonymous survey ? I created an account and have not edited the map yet because : - I thought that registering was necessary for using Openstreetmap or accessing the data - I thought that registering would grant access to advanced features - I found the tools and technical requirements too complicated In any case, if you have any question, don't hesitate to head to http://help.openstreetmap.org - fellow cartographers will be delighted to help you overcome any hurdle you may encounter Whatever such message ends up being designed could be sent to a few hundred users for testing before sending it to a slightly larger fraction and then to the whole population. Do you think such a survey would help ? Would that be too spammy for Openstreetmap's taste ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
One of my collegeas signed up a long time ago, but never made an edit. I asked him today, why he signed up. He vaguely remembers that some Android app he was using hinted (or he understood) that he should sign up in order to use the app. He also thought that he might add some footpaths one day, that's why he signed up. Details are lost in history. So, maybe is playing with map apps one of the reasons ? m On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: On 04/13/2013 03:33 PM, Simon Poole wrote: While there is clearly room for improvement in converting account creators to contributors [..] What about asking them why they registered and did not edit the map ? Would a one-off mailing to users who registered more than three months ago and have no edits and no traces, with a link to an anonymous online survey be within the bounds of Openstreetmap's policy ? Again, this is not about the users with just one edit (it seems that those are well understood) - it is about users with no edit at all. Here is a rough outline of what it could be (of course, any such project will require a wiki page and much debate...) : Greetings from Openstreetmap - we have noticed that you created an account x months ago and have not yet edited the map... We would love to know why, so that we can provide better information to new users - would you care to answer this anonymous survey ? I created an account and have not edited the map yet because : - I thought that registering was necessary for using Openstreetmap or accessing the data - I thought that registering would grant access to advanced features - I found the tools and technical requirements too complicated In any case, if you have any question, don't hesitate to head to http://help.openstreetmap.org - fellow cartographers will be delighted to help you overcome any hurdle you may encounter Whatever such message ends up being designed could be sent to a few hundred users for testing before sending it to a slightly larger fraction and then to the whole population. Do you think such a survey would help ? Would that be too spammy for Openstreetmap's taste ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
One of my hypotheses is that there are users which are shy or intimidated when trying to capture and edit OSM data. Among others, this was a reason to me to invent Kort [1] - the OSM game implemented as a rewarding data capturing app, released beginning of this year (next big release will be mid 2013). I'm still wondering though how many registrants really came back because of this mobile web app - it's not easy to interpret the statistics [2]! Yours, Stefan [1] htp://play.kort.ch [2] http://www.kort.ch/statistics.php 2013/4/15 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com One of my collegeas signed up a long time ago, but never made an edit. I asked him today, why he signed up. He vaguely remembers that some Android app he was using hinted (or he understood) that he should sign up in order to use the app. He also thought that he might add some footpaths one day, that's why he signed up. Details are lost in history. So, maybe is playing with map apps one of the reasons ? m On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.orgwrote: On 04/13/2013 03:33 PM, Simon Poole wrote: While there is clearly room for improvement in converting account creators to contributors [..] What about asking them why they registered and did not edit the map ? Would a one-off mailing to users who registered more than three months ago and have no edits and no traces, with a link to an anonymous online survey be within the bounds of Openstreetmap's policy ? Again, this is not about the users with just one edit (it seems that those are well understood) - it is about users with no edit at all. Here is a rough outline of what it could be (of course, any such project will require a wiki page and much debate...) : Greetings from Openstreetmap - we have noticed that you created an account x months ago and have not yet edited the map... We would love to know why, so that we can provide better information to new users - would you care to answer this anonymous survey ? I created an account and have not edited the map yet because : - I thought that registering was necessary for using Openstreetmap or accessing the data - I thought that registering would grant access to advanced features - I found the tools and technical requirements too complicated In any case, if you have any question, don't hesitate to head to http://help.openstreetmap.org - fellow cartographers will be delighted to help you overcome any hurdle you may encounter Whatever such message ends up being designed could be sent to a few hundred users for testing before sending it to a slightly larger fraction and then to the whole population. Do you think such a survey would help ? Would that be too spammy for Openstreetmap's taste ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On 04/15/2013 12:13 PM, Stefan Keller wrote: One of my hypotheses is that there are users which are shy or intimidated when trying to capture and edit OSM data. So should another survey option be something like I registered but I'm not so sure about editing anymore ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). I think the quotet 22 are those mappers that still own an active osm object. (last editor). Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/03_Statistik/planet/statistic.html statistic based only on the last editors. about 25000 Users only own a single node. 90% of all ways and nodes are last edited by about 7000 users. 99% by about 3 users. -- 9% of data, 23000 users 99.9% 8 Users -- 0.9% of data, 5 users and the rest: -- 0.1% of data, 14 users Regards Werner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Am 14.04.2013 20:37, schrieb Werner Hoch: Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). I think the quotet 22 are those mappers that still own an active osm object. (last editor). Yes, the problem is that particularly the smallest editors are the ones that are most likely to get their complete last edit contribution zapped by a bot or by a regular edit. Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/03_Statistik/planet/statistic.html statistic based only on the last editors. about 25000 Users only own a single node. See above this number is probably far to low. 90% of all ways and nodes are last edited by about 7000 users. 99% by about 3 users. -- 9% of data, 23000 users 99.9% 8 Users -- 0.9% of data, 5 users and the rest: -- 0.1% of data, 14 users Don't forget that we lost another ~40k editors in total and about 15k (last editors) in the planet dump due to the licence change. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Am 14.04.2013 20:37, schrieb Werner Hoch: Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). I think the quotet 22 are those mappers that still own an active osm object. (last editor). Yes, the problem is that particularly the smallest editors are the ones that are most likely to get their complete last edit contribution zapped by a bot or by a regular edit. Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/03_Statistik/planet/statistic.html statistic based only on the last editors. about 25000 Users only own a single node. See above this number is probably far to low. 90% of all ways and nodes are last edited by about 7000 users. 99% by about 3 users. -- 9% of data, 23000 users 99.9% 8 Users -- 0.9% of data, 5 users and the rest: -- 0.1% of data, 14 users Don't forget that we lost another ~40k editors in total and about 15k (last editors) in the planet dump due to the licence change. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Well, I know that I, for one, have been active on the mailing lists, but haven't done any actual mapping in a while. I hope to get back to it soon, however. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for it is better to think wrongly than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Not quite sure what Werner wanted to convey with the info about the shape and numbers of the long tail of OSM (perhaps nothing more than the numbers). Anyways, I'd just want to say that the tiny 0.1% of the data might well be a huge number of otherwise missing POIs, place or road names or other map features' details, tiny corrections to roads, etc. It's also likely a thing that has made 100+k people love OSM just a bit more. Suddenly 0.1% isn't that small anymore. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:37:22 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ? Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). I think the quotet 22 are those mappers that still own an active osm object. (last editor). Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/03_Statistik/planet/statistic.html statistic based only on the last editors. about 25000 Users only own a single node. 90% of all ways and nodes are last edited by about 7000 users. 99% by about 3 users. -- 9% of data, 23000 users 99.9% 8 Users -- 0.9% of data, 5 users and the rest: -- 0.1% of data, 14 users Regards Werner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
+1 On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: Not quite sure what Werner wanted to convey with the info about the shape and numbers of the long tail of OSM (perhaps nothing more than the numbers). Anyways, I'd just want to say that the tiny 0.1% of the data might well be a huge number of otherwise missing POIs, place or road names or other map features' details, tiny corrections to roads, etc. It's also likely a thing that has made 100+k people love OSM just a bit more. Suddenly 0.1% isn't that small anymore. Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 20:37:22 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ? Am Sonntag, den 14.04.2013, 23:38 +1000 schrieb Steve Bennett: On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). I think the quotet 22 are those mappers that still own an active osm object. (last editor). Is there (or could there be?) a graph of contributions against number of u-el-? Might be interesting also to see whether the number of users on zero is vastly different to the number of users on one edit, two edits etc. http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/03_Statistik/planet/statistic.html statistic based only on the last editors. about 25000 Users only own a single node. 90% of all ways and nodes are last edited by about 7000 users. 99% by about 3 users. -- 9% of data, 23000 users 99.9% 8 Users -- 0.9% of data, 5 users and the rest: -- 0.1% of data, 14 users Regards Werner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On 04/13/2013 12:16 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: On 12/04/2013 23:08, Johan C wrote: The question is: how do we unlock this giant community potential? At the risk of being slightly heretical, I think that it's OK that OSM is a resource that people can use and perhaps update occasionally without actually becoming mappers. I update wikipedia occasionally, but haven't for months. I have no desire to become a wikipedian. That is not heretical - it is perfectly fine that some people just want to add their pet POI and never come back. But that is infinitely more than the total lack of edit which is what I find puzzling. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Am 13.04.2013 13:50, schrieb Jean-Marc Liotier: . That is not heretical - it is perfectly fine that some people just want to add their pet POI and never come back. But that is infinitely more than the total lack of edit which is what I find puzzling. I think it is completely understandable: you want an account to see what kind of (additional) functionality is available and so on. On top of that it is very common for people to create an account and come back later and then do their first edit, in my case it was nearly exactly a year later,. As to the usage patterns, I still keep an eye on old (at least three years old) accounts accepting the contributor terms. Every day there is typically a dozen or so that login after what must be at least 2 years now, and a number of them actually had edits (implying that they didn't respond to the numerous e-mails they got). Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Just a further data point. As of the end of last month we had edits from 324'152 unique UIDs, not quite 30% of all accounts (some of the changesets are likely to be empty, but the number is still quite a bit larger than the often quoted 200'000). While there is clearly room for improvement in converting account creators to contributors, I believe the number is actually quite good. It would be interesting to compare our numbers with data from other commercial operations, say FB, however what I have seen from their SEC filings is that they do not show numbers for actual active users (vs. just logging on). Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
2013/4/12 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org Looking at the profiles of nearby mappers displayed on my profile page's map, I am astonished to find that most of them have made zero edits. Those people went through the effort of registering (some even added an avatar picture) but then did not use their account for anything - no edits, no traces, nothing. Why ? Are these mere spam registrations or are we actually losing good potential mappers in the first hours of their life as Openstreetmap users ? How many of them do we have ? Do we have logs that we can analyze to understand how they came to Openstreetmap and how they dropped out ? http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/welcomewg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On 4/12/2013 8:00 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Looking at the profiles of nearby mappers displayed on my profile page's map, I am astonished to find that most of them have made zero edits. Those people went through the effort of registering (some even added an avatar picture) but then did not use their account for anything - no edits, no traces, nothing.Why ? Are these mere spam registrations or are we actually losing good potential mappers in the first hours of their life as Openstreetmap users ? Looking at a few around here - they probably registered on the spur of the moment to maximize their social media exposure. But they were not spammers in the classic obnoxious sense - just local businesses, or not wanting to miss a possibly important social tool. As far as the zero edits: I don't have any information on that, but wouldn't be surprised if they had tried to update something but got discouraged. Local mapping groups are the best tool for hands-on assistance to get people started. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:00 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Looking at the profiles of nearby mappers displayed on my profile page's map, I am astonished to find that most of them have made zero edits. Those people went through the effort of registering (some even added an avatar picture) but then did not use their account for anything - no edits, no traces, nothing. Why ? Are these mere spam registrations or are we actually losing good potential mappers in the first hours of their life as Openstreetmap users ? How many of them do we have ? Do we have logs that we can analyze to understand how they came to Openstreetmap and how they dropped out ? My opinion is that they are too intimidated to actually make an edit. I have no data to back that up just my own experience. One of the features I'd really like to see is a way to send mapping party announcements to people in the mapping party area. Of course we'd need a way for people to opt out, but inviting people out to become part of a community is a good way to engage more users. Lacking the skills, I hoping that someone steps to the plate and codes this feature. Any takers? -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Most of these are people who didn't read what Openstreetmap was about before they registered. They most likely thought they would need to register to _USE_ all the features of Openstreetmap, not contribute to it. On 04/12/2013 02:00 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Looking at the profiles of nearby mappers displayed on my profile page's map, I am astonished to find that most of them have made zero edits. Those people went through the effort of registering (some even added an avatar picture) but then did not use their account for anything - no edits, no traces, nothing.Why ? Are these mere spam registrations or are we actually losing good potential mappers in the first hours of their life as Openstreetmap users ? How many of them do we have ? Do we have logs that we can analyze to understand how they came to Openstreetmapand how they dropped out ? -- --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Cartinus wrote: Most of these are people who didn't read what Openstreetmap was about before they registered. They most likely thought they would need to register to _USE_ all the features of Openstreetmap, not contribute to it. +1. You'd be surprised how common this is. Our village website only requires registration to post (you can read everything without registering), and the posting UI is incredibly simple, yet the great majority of registered users have never posted. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Why-do-we-have-so-many-registered-users-with-zero-edits-tp5756797p5756845.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
I found osm by accident when searching for a map editing tool. The first experience was not great - what I got was a Potlatch centred on one line - representing a street. What do I do now? Move the street - where? Potlatch has quite minimalistic UI - that makes is simple, but also hides a lot of its real possibilities. Showing JOSM as the first edit tool would probably attract more advanced computer users, but discourage many who are less friends with IT. Immediately after registering one usually does not have any gps tracks or specific information to put in. There is a lot of tools that search for errors - why not to suggest the first few edits - it might make the first steps easier. Maybe something like http://play.kort.ch should be the first thing new users see instead of Potlatch. Lukáš Matějka (LM_1) 2013/4/12 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net Cartinus wrote: Most of these are people who didn't read what Openstreetmap was about before they registered. They most likely thought they would need to register to _USE_ all the features of Openstreetmap, not contribute to it. +1. You'd be surprised how common this is. Our village website only requires registration to post (you can read everything without registering), and the posting UI is incredibly simple, yet the great majority of registered users have never posted. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Why-do-we-have-so-many-registered-users-with-zero-edits-tp5756797p5756845.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
Clifford Snow wrote: One of the features I'd really like to see is a way to send mapping party announcements to people in the mapping party area. Of course we'd need a way for people to opt out, but inviting people out to become part of a community is a good way to engage more users. Lacking the skills, I hoping that someone steps to the plate and codes this feature. Any takers? I suspect that a totally automatic way of doing that might be frowned upon, but a semi-automatic way would b to load something like http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=12lat=53.21292lon=-0.51723layers=B00TFT in a new tab, open each user page and copy and paste as required. Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:41 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.ukwrote: I suspect that a totally automatic way of doing that might be frowned upon, but a semi-automatic way would b to load something like http://resultmaps.neis-one.**org/oooc?zoom=12lat=53.21292** lon=-0.51723layers=B00TFThttp://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=12lat=53.21292lon=-0.51723layers=B00TFT in a new tab, open each user page and copy and paste as required. It's just about a clunky as changing your address to another location to send messages to nearby mappers. I did that once when I visited another part of the country. I did end up meeting one mapper. Not much of a trial, but it shows that at least some people want to involved. I don't believe that the majority would find occasional announcements unwelcome. Especially if we had a way of opting out of messages. There is a Welcome Working Group. I'm hopeful of their success. -- Clifford OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
OSM has got over 1,1 million registered users now. About 20.000 of them frequently make edits. There's still a lot of opportunities here, because all registered users at least have some interest in OSM. The question is: how do we unlock this giant community potential? Cheers, Johan 2013/4/12 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org Looking at the profiles of nearby mappers displayed on my profile page's map, I am astonished to find that most of them have made zero edits. Those people went through the effort of registering (some even added an avatar picture) but then did not use their account for anything - no edits, no traces, nothing. Why ? Are these mere spam registrations or are we actually losing good potential mappers in the first hours of their life as Openstreetmap users ? How many of them do we have ? Do we have logs that we can analyze to understand how they came to Openstreetmap and how they dropped out ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:00:46 +0200 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Looking at the profiles of nearby mappers displayed on my profile page's map, I am astonished to find that most of them have made zero edits. Those people went through the effort of registering (some even added an avatar picture) but then did not use their account for anything - no edits, no traces, nothing.Why ? Are these mere spam registrations or are we actually losing good potential mappers in the first hours of their life as Openstreetmap users ? How many of them do we have ? Do we have logs that we can analyze to understand how they came to Openstreetmapand how they dropped out ? In MY case it is a matter of joining to show support firstly, to be sure of access to the full range of features (might not have been necessary) secondly and to feed in the results of my research and mapping when it reaches a suitable level of accuracy. This work is taking an order of magnitude more time than my initial guesstimate. Mick uid: sparrowhawk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Why do we have so many registered users with zero edits ?
I don't at all want to discourage improvements, the efforts of the WWG,
etc, but at the same time we have to be clear that this kind of ratio
is pretty common amongst crowd sourced projects. For example, if you look
at English Wikipedia's stats, there are over 800K wikipedians (and
note, they've made at least 10 edits; I couldn't find stats that
included users with fewer total edits). Of them, only about 3 make at
least 5 edits in any given month. For the details, see
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm
Regards, Brad
On Friday, April 12, 2013, Johan C wrote:
OSM has got over 1,1 million registered users now. About 20.000 of them
frequently make edits. There's still a lot of opportunities here, because
all registered users at least have some interest in OSM. The question is:
how do we unlock this giant community potential?
Cheers, Johan
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Looking at the profiles of nearby mappers displayed on my profile page's
map, I am astonished to find that most of them have made zero edits.
Those people went through the effort of registering (some even added an
avatar picture) but then did not use their account for anything - no edits,
no traces, nothing. Why ? Are these mere spam registrations or are we
actually losing good potential mappers in the first hours of their life
as Openstreetmap users ? How many of them do we have ? Do we have logs
that we can analyze to understand how they came to Openstreetmap and how
they dropped out ?
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