Re: 7100/80 with Sonnet Crescendo not working
On 10 Jan 2006, at 03:24, Gregg Eshelman wrote: I'd bet the G3 upgrade needs at least 8.5 to work without problems. I've got 2 PCI Macs with G3 Slot cards that run 8.1 fine. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 7100/80 with Sonnet Crescendo not working
On 9 Jan 2006, at 04:14, Randall Thomas wrote: Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try reseating the card. It is sometimes suprising how much force it takes to seat the thing. Thanks Ken. That was it. Now it seems that it locks up after loading the sonnet extension if any other extensions are set to load after it. Is there a way to edit the name to insure that it always loads last? Would this matter? I could just put spaces in front of all the others I guess. Randall I recently had a similar issue with a 8550. It was originally running a 604/132MHz card which I swapped for a Newertech G3/275MHz upgrade. It booted fine with the 604 but locked up with the G3 installed at about halfway through loading the extensions. Turns out it was a rouge extension in there. I just had to boot with extensions off and weed out any that didn't look like they belonged to OS 8.1. Worked after that, some of the software on the hard disk was pretty old 68k stuff so it potentially with the G3. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: 12 Monitors (the kind you use on the LC)
On 28 Dec 2005, at 07:19, Samual Acorn wrote: the dead/grey pixel might be video memory problems... does it stay put when you change resolutions? (if you can change resolutions that is...) or connect the monitor to a different machine? I've seen CRTs lose pixels before. It's very rare, but it isn't totally unknown, I think the phosphors burn out in one spot with age. May originally have been a manufacturing flaw. You can't change screen res. on a 12 RGB screen either they are fixed frequency 512x384 screens. They are pretty numerous and largely unwanted however so finding second hand units and the like shouldn't be overly hard. I have to say I have one and it's also got the focus disease. They are cheap and nasty units (at least by Apple standards), it's a miracle really they lasted this long! Mine fell out of service long ago in favour of bigger multi-sync CRTs. if you rule out video memory problems it /might/ be possible to pick it up and tap the back of the monitor against the desk (gently!) to knock whatever is stuck against the phosphor loose... Logic would drive me to ask what exactly could be stuck to the phosphor in a vacuum sealed tube? I suppose it's not outside the bounds of possibility that a flake of lead might have pinged off the tube and stuck there but no amount of banging on desks will shift that, it'll likely be welded to the phosphor by now. You also risk putting strain on the plastics that they are not designed to take, I know (properly like about 4 feet) dropping a heavy CRT on it's back is usually death to the plastic casing. I used to have a 17 Multiscan 720 display that had been dropped on it's back and the casing was a total mess. It eventually died from an internal short that got worse and worse. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: whats going on here??? is anybody else getting email from a 'rosemarie'??
On 28 Dec 2005, at 21:33, Manuel Marques wrote: Have you written to this list in the past days? I suppose the bot is getting our addresses every time someone posts something new... at least my e-mails from Rosemarie come with my post below the text... It's not a spam bot, I'm pretty sure it's a tech support line auto- reply script that fres an e-mail back to the 'From:' address and ignores the 'Reply To:' one. Sorta like those 'Out of Office' auto- replies we get from time to time but more annoying. If we had an active List Nanny we could get the e-mail address booted off the list but it seems we don't have one. I might drop Dan Knight a mail and ask him to take the address off the list. With any luck the company has a ticket system for tech support enquiries and someone has a mailbox full of the ticket numbers and might just notice :). -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: data/program transmital and storage questions
On 20 Dec 2005, at 06:53, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- J Worgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can data and programs be sent via modem to microphone input and recorded on a cassette or reel to reel tape recorder? clip Easiest way would be to connect the TI's tape audio out to the Mic in on a PC, then record as 44.1Khz 16bit mono WAV files. How sensitive is the TI to the speed of audio playback? I know from using the same CD or MP3 in various PCs and Macs that not all sound chips playback at accurate speeds. Also high-speed CD drives are a pain in the ass for doing that. You can't even rely on a CD drive to record and play the audio at the same speed, because it burns CDs in digital and plays them back in analogue, which on some CD Drives drops the drive to single speed, but on some they read the data in bursts and just feed it back at 1x speeds. My old CD separate plays Audio CDs 1-3% slower (as far as I can tell by ear) than my iMac for instance. I more readily trust the CD player as it's a single speed mechanism that was calibrated for CD playback (it's also the largest CD drive I own - if it were a PC mechanism it's be a half-height at least!). I'm guessing the speed governs the baud rate of the audio transmission so it'd be at least semi-critical. It's just a thought I struck on from playing with tapes of BBC Micro programs back in 'the day'. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Less Stuff?
On 18 Dec 2005, at 01:52, Ron 'Hollywood' Parro wrote: Is there any way to get this list without all the attached links on EVERY post? I did use the Small Dog link to order some parts but are all the rest of those links necessary on EVERY post? The sponsorship links keep this list running - they pay LowEndMac to put the ad on each e-mail so without them there would be no list. The list info/post/unsub/digest/help/archive link block is provided for convenience so everyone knows where to look to unsubscribe and what-not. This prevents people complaining that they don't know how to do x, y and z. They've been optimized to take up no more space than they need to over a long time (they've gotten shorter by a few lines of over the 5 years I've been around). And who is Alan Hunter? Him (points at Alan Hunter) why? -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Daystar Powercache question
On 28 Nov 2005, at 23:52, Kennedy, David wrote: I have a question about the Daystar Powercache card. I have one without either CPU or FPU currently plugged in. How do I tell whether it is a 33, 40 or 50Mhz version? It is stamped P33, but most of the images I've googled all have the same stamp, so I don't know whether this is a part number or a speed version. Somewhere out there there's a Control Panel for the Powercache card, I think it's called PowerCache Control or something, that reports the CPU details. Might be on Daystar's legacy support site, but I dunno if that lists 68k stuff. Well, blow me down with a bucket of mackerel. They still offer the whole lot for download! Grab em while they're hot folks! http://www.daystartechnology.com/Daystar_Technology_Mac_Support/ Daystar_Technology_Mac_Downloads/Daystar_Digital_Mac_Downloads/ software/b_dsd_software_download1.html -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: New subscriber
On 10 Nov 2005, at 04:11, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: clip I've been reading it could possibly be a bad PRAM battery? Does anyone have any insight on this? Can I find a replacement at Radio Shack, Yup, Radio Shaft has them, FOR FIFTEEN DOLLARS! :P Or you could try a proper electronics supplier. Most good ones sell them but I don't have specifics for the north american market (I'm in the UK). Not sure if that model uses 3.6V Lithium Half-AA in a cage or the soldered lead type 3.0V Lithium cell, but certainly over here most electronics retailers sell them. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: lcd screen on lc475
On 10 Nov 2005, at 04:27, damien haas wrote: hi folks; can i hook up a 21 inch lcd screen to an lc475 ? You'll be playing 'count the pixels' if you run a 475 on a 21 LCD. They largest screen resolution they generally run well at is [EMAIL PROTECTED], and that relies on you having a full 1MB of VRAM installed. As mentioned you need an adapter also. Personally I'd not bother unless it's your only screen you have to hand. You'd be much better off with a 15 or a 17 CRT or something that has a closer native resolution. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: cd ripper?
On 13 Oct 2005, at 10:13, Samual Acorn wrote: i dont need anything that burns just ripps... something that can rip cd tracks to wav (or aiff) files... I think if you have all the correct extensions you can drag the AIFF files right off of the CD in Mac OS. I think it requires a special CD-DA extension or something in older OSs to do it. It was installed by default with the CD-ROM driver on my 840av (8.0) - never tried it on anything else. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: mac linux
On Monday, October 10, 2005, at 02:54PM, Bryan Kattwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MacOS makes a very stable and secure platform for internet servers. The main limitation is that people don't port modern services and versions to it. But nobody will ever get a rootkit onto a classic MacOS server. There are ways into the Classic OS, it's not totally bulletproof, but yes it's rare for a Classic machine to get hacked. PC with linux is a perfect match but mac with linux is just something fun to hack around with... Depends on your definition of fun. I know from actual experience that Linux just doesn't work very well on any 68k Mac. People writing Linux software assume a more powerful machine and it shows. In contrast, MacOS on any Quadra just screams and really is fun. I find any OS is fun to hack around with (yes even that one that begins with 'W' and has $ in the name ;) ), I only get annoyed with OSs when I have to use them day-in-day out. One of my latest adventures is I am going to try Solaris 10 on my PC (now it's Open Source and free). Should be interesting! If you want a mature UNIX for 68k Mac then NetBSD/mac68k is a lot better developed and stable. It's not bad for speed either if you stay away from XWindows. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: mac linux -- was Re: Netscape 3 Received Loud and Clear
On 9 Oct 2005, at 21:30, John Niven wrote: 9gb scsi drives i have a funny feeling that wasnt cheap... Ironically given this thread, they were free! They came from my last place of work and were originally installed in Red Hat linux farm machines :-) Mostly SCSI-3 Quantum Viking II's. I like to think they are happier now in retirement :-)! Interesting that they work at all. As I posted on a recent thread here I have a lot of struggles with Quantum server drives. I have 1 Atlas V that works on non-PC controllers but I have a Viking-II and an Atlas IV that refuse to work on anything I have (I don't have a SCSI PC). -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: mac linux -- was Re: Netscape 3 Received Loud and Clear
easier ;o). the price tag of OSX is a little crazy and the UI is weird (looks like colored water droplets and clear semi-molten plastic) but at least its unix based (no more shared memory environment) OS X is flat-out my favorite OS around. I haven't found anything as good yet. Any suggestions? 'quadra 950 introduced 1992 at $8500' (source; lowendmac.com) -please- tell me you didnt buy that new.. after looking at the specs tho it would make a great webserver (running linux of course) ;) Or A/UX Maybe? Ever seen a Workgroup Server 95? one question; what format exactly are you digitizing that audio as? i dont think an ogg vorbis or mp3 encoder would be very speedy on a 68k (if such even exsists) Non-realtime MPEG encoders exist for the 68k but I haven't seen one around in a while. I may have one on the 840av somewhere though. Oh and FWIW SoundApp was never designed as a MOD player :P -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Quantum Viking Hard Drives
On 5 Oct 2005, at 20:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While this is true to mount a drive at startup, SCSI drives in Macs don't have to have autostart enabled. I have a 73GB Maxtor 10K drive with autostart disabled that I only use for digital audio. When I need it, I just launch Drive Setup and mount the drive. Never fails. Can anyone explain then why my external Seagate Cheetah 18GB drive doesn't start spinning until I turn my 840av on and still successfully mounts and boots? -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Ethernet on IIsi
On 6 Oct 2005, at 22:31, Shaun Reynolds wrote: Hi all, This is my first time opening a topic on the list. Would anyone know if it is possible to use a NuBus Ethernet card in a Mac IIsi with a NuBus adapter? Looking at Low End Mac's page about the IIsi, I cannot see why it wouldn't be possible. I understand that the SE/30 Ethernet card will work, but I also know that it is hard to find, and I just don't have the funds to spend on something like that. NuBus cards seem to be a little easier to find. I think the NuBus adapter itself might be hard to find, though. Any input is greatly appreciated. From my memory I think your need an SE/30 / IIsi PDS card with a fplying ribbon and a separate backplate with the ports on. They are getting relatively challenging to find over here (I tresure mine like gold dust), might be easier in the US though. I don't know if there is a NuBus riser for the IIsi - I don't know enough about the machine. It was a deliberately downgraded version of the IIci so it may not have. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Ethernet on IIsi
On 7 Oct 2005, at 00:22, Shaun Reynolds wrote: On 10/6/05, Luis D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If by NuBus riser for the IIsi you mean a vertical PDS card that has another type of connector that is horizontal (I'm assuming it is NuBus), then it does exist, because I have one. My Video card plugs into it. Well, it would be nice if there is an alternative to the SE/30 PDS card. As Mark stated, these are becoming harder and harder to find. The price to get one also being adjusted accordingly. I saw an SE/30 card on eBay for about $50. It is a Buy It Now, but unfortunately I am short on cash this month. At the very least, I can send TCP/IP packets over LocalTalk (with IPNetRouter) if I really want to get the IIsi online. Maybe looking for a SCSI Ethernet adapter would be a better idea... If there is a riser then a NuBus card will be fine, but that's *if* you can find one. They are probably rarer not fitted to IIsi's than the PDS ethernet card. SCSI -- Ethernet maybe your best option. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Dead IIsi
On Wednesday, October 05, 2005, at 08:43AM, Jeff Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, it's sounding like you probably have leaky capacitors on your IIsi board. The IIci is subject to this problem and the IIsi is nearly identical only with half the SIMM sockets and no NuBus slots. The surface mount electrolytic caps leak corrosive onto the board with age. Several of them are involved with the power-on circuitry, so the machine fails to power on, either because it needs the caps functional, or because the corrosive has eaten through a trace, contact or solder joint on the logic board. This isn't that hard to repair with a bit of care, but it does require the motivation to fix it. I've had this happen ion a IIci before, but instead of not turning on it wouldn't turn off. The problem is caused by, as Jeff stated, the electrolytic can-type Capacitors in the boards leaking. In the case of the IIci I found one under the actual power supply had leaked. I wiped the board down with a bit of dilute alcohol and a soft cloth to get the stuff off the board and it recovered and hasn't given me any trouble since. The problem is not so much that the electrolyte fluid is corrosive, although is does cause oxidation long-term, the immediate problem when a cap first lets go is the electrolyte is highly conductive, as you would expect from something called 'electrolyte' ;o). This causes random shorts around the capacitor. In the case of my IIci it was shorting something in the 'soft power' control that was stopping the signal to turn off reaching the power supply. In your case it may be shorting something to ground causing the power supply to overload and not power on, the vast majority of switch-mode power supplies just cut out or refuse to power on in the case of a short. My advice is take a look at the logic board, especially around the sound and power sections. Look out for any suspicious stains or small patches of what looks like spilled soda on the board. if you find any clean them off with a bit of dilute alcohol as best you can, let the board dry in open air, then try it again. 1989-91 was a bad patch for this. The IIci, IIsi, LCII and SE/30 all suffer from the same capacitor leakage problem, the SE/30 is the worst. I just sent 2 of my boards off to a friend who is better with an iron than me to have the caps refitted with better ones. As Jeff says it's not too hard but it's tricky and takes a lot of time. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: LCIII
On Wednesday, October 05, 2005, at 09:24AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, I'm sure I have the one I used somewhere, but there is definitely a site somewhere that has boot images with the HD Setup utility. I wish I kept bookmarks more diligently! Still, I may be able to put one together from my working computer. What sort of disk have you installed, by the way? Nathan Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I finally got a Hard drive replacement for my LCIII. I am in need of a disk image to put on a floppy to boot up. I have tried the 7.5.3 disk available from apple but i get a bus error when i get through the Macintosh start splash screen. Anyone have a working copy of something that will boot this thing. Thanks Sounds to me like you have a SCSI setup issue, or the floppy you are booting from is faulty. Check the floppy is ok by booting it on a known good Mac (anything up 7500/8500/9500 sort of era will boot 7.5.3 if i remember right). If that works ok then look to your hard disk and ensure you have the cable in correct (it's pretty hard to get wrong in an LC!), and that the drive is set to an ID that is not 7 and is terminated. As a general rule the Mac will stop at the grey pre-happy Mac screen and refuse to boot if the SCSI is setup really wrong, but it's definitely not always the case, especially if you have one thing right and one thing wrong. Other possibilities include Bad RAM, or loose cables (again there really aren't very many on an LC). You could try booting without extensions (hold SHIFT at the Happy-Mac) incase something loaded on Apple's 7.5.3 Disk Tools disk is disagreeing with the computer. I have successfully run 7.5.3 on an LCIII and LCIII+ so there are no issues as regards OS compatibility in general. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Capacitors (was Dead IIsi)
On 5 Oct 2005, at 18:15, Scott Baret wrote: Does anyone have a theory as to why all the capacitors on Mac II series computers seem to have problems? I've seen so many IIcxs and IIcis with this problem...and it's probably what caused my infamous possessed IIcx incident from the summer. Cost cutting. That's my theory. Apple's market got tough around the turn of the early 90s with PCs getting 'better' in the workplace and Commodore's Amiga starting to make inroads on Apple's home and pro markets. Apple set out to revamp the range and cut costs. So instead of using the best components they used the cheapest ones. In the case of the caps these were cheap electrolytic cans that were rated as close to the required spec as was possible, allowing little room for error or aging. As a result the machines worked great for the first 8-12 years (remember just how old these machines are before you criticise the construction!!) which was way longer than they were supposed to last anyway, then after that the caps gave out. FWIW Amiga users suffer similar problems with some of their desktop models of the same age. We are not alone :o) -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: jumping - HDDs and termination
On 3 Oct 2005, at 07:26, John de Boer wrote: Hello all I have a qnty old macs, LC113, 4475 up to 6200/120, as well as a qnty external cases for HDD and CD and zip drives (some of the external cases have small HDD in them). I also have a qnty of HDDs (mostly in the range of 1Gb - 3gb) that I wish to put in the external cases, all are scsi. Some of the external cases have internal leads from the terminator switch 16 as well as leads to LEDs. Will very appreciate your advice how to work out the jumping on the HDDs to connect up to the terminator switch and how to determine where to connect the leads to the LEDs. And, if the terminator switch is not connected, will jumping the pins on the HDD in a certain way result in the HDD having its own terminator? In the latter case, how is the ID number determined? All the above depend on the manufacturer and model of the drive. Try to work that out, there is almost always a label on the top of the drive that at least contains the manufacturer and model of the disk. Once you know you can look it up on one of these sites, or in your favorite search engine: http://www.hitachigst.com - Hitachi and IBM hard disks http://www.seagate.com/ - Seagate and Conner hard disks http://www.maxtor.com/ - Maxtor and Quantum hard disks http://www.fujitsu.com/global/services/computing/storage/hdd/ - Fujitsu hard disks http://www.hp.com/country/us/en/support.html?pageDisplay=support - HP hard disks (general support page) http://www.toshiba.com/tai-new/division.jsp?ID=10 - Toshiba hard disks Generally those pages either have a 'Search' box that yields results by model number or they have obvious hard disk sections. They should keep the setup sheets for the drives on file, I've not failed to find on in all the years I have been trying from one of those manufacturers. That will tell you where your jumpers are and wether you can link them up to each drive. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Quantum Viking Hard Drives
On 2 Oct 2005, at 08:46, John Niven wrote: I bought a lot of 9 of these 68 pin and 2.2Gb cheaply. Then I noticed that they are have a HP logo and part number as well. D5094-60101 When I went to format and verify them using a Buslogic SCSI PCI card in a PC I keep for this purpose I find that each returns a SCSI id number other than 0 which is set by the jumpers. In other words it seems that the i.d. number has been set in the firmware. Has anybody seen this before? Is there a way to overide this? Can the firmware be updated so that the drives behave as normal Vikings (er... I don't mean the rape and pillage bit :-) Well, they were cheap, but it turns out also nasty This is common practice. I now flatout refuse to buy any Quantum 68- pin or 80-pin SCSI drives because if they have been near a Compaq, Dell, IBM or HP server the firmware is always butchered. Look around for Seagate Cheetah and Seagate Barracuda drives. They are typically better drives, quieter and Seagate did not allow (to my knowledge) any firmware blocks that disallow use of the firmware on other machines. It may be worth checking Maxtor's data sheets for the drives before you pitch them into a dark corner to see if there are any other ID setting jumpers on the drive. Most 68-pin drives have them front and rear. You'll be lucky if those even show up on a Mac, I have 2 Quantum Atlas IV drives that don't show up on Classic Mac or Amiga SCSI rigs, only on PCs or Mac OS X. I also have a Viking and 3 other Atlas drives that work but won't boot a Mac. I've never seen the locked ID trick before, just drives that are generally awkward to setup, won't boot or just don't work full-stop. Oddly I have no issues with them on OS X machines. I guess OS X looks sufficiently like UNIX to throw the firmware a curved ball ;o). -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Quantum Viking Hard Drives
On 2 Oct 2005, at 11:33, Gregg Eshelman wrote: What I usually do with SCSI drives that give me guff on a Mac is to low level format them on an Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI controller in a PC. There's no operating system involved since it runs from the BIOS on the controller. lots of good SCSI advices All good sound advice, but in my case it's all old news I'm affraid. I think in the case of Quantum drives the nonsense that makes em play up on non-PC controllers is hardcoded onto the ROM. To give you a recent example, I hooked an Atlas IV up to my Amiga 1200 Tower (if you don't know don't ask ;o) ) SCSI chain and the Hard Disk utility refused to even talk to it. It didn't see it at all. I took that drive off and hooked up a Seagate Barracuda in exactly the same chain with hte same settings and bam - it came straight up. That's not to say of course John might have a stray jumper somewhere, but there is definitely stuff to be wary of with Quantums. Low Levelling on a PC might solve it but I currently don't have the facility to do that. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Web hosting on a LCIII
http://www.lifehacker.com/software/web-publishing/how-to-assign-a- domain-name-to-your-home-web-server-124804.php That popped up on my radar this morning. Might be some help for ya. -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job... -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: AppleDesign Speaker Power Connector
OK I now know that the Apple Design Speaker 'II' Powered speakers use a different 12VDC Power supply with a standard connector. I have also established that it is easy enough to pop the back off the speaker I have and change the PSU connector for a standard connector. What I still do not know is the Power Supply rating, if anyone has a set of ORIGINAL Apple Design Powered Speakers (not A.D. 'II' type) with a 15VDC Power Supply brick, can you send me a picture or scan off-list of the spec on the label? I have a possible donor PSU but it looks a bit weedy for the job to me. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Web hosting on a LCIII
On Wednesday, September 14, 2005, at 12:12PM, Manuel Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm thinking (on maybe a nearby future) in installing a web server in my home network. That server would contain my personal website, and a page about (old) Apple Macintoshes in my mother language (Portuguese - I'm still thinking on translation...). The machine is a LCIII, with a 1.2 Gb hard drive (so, space is not the issue!), 8 Mb of RAM (I don't know where to get 32 Mb SIMMs for the LCIII), and Mac OS 7.6.1. I used to run an almost identical server in a drawer in my desk :) I wanted a switch so that I could network all the computers, but it must have a DSL router, to connect to the internet. How can I allow general access to the pages stored on the LC but disallowing access (and CONTROL) to my home network? If you get a DSL router with multiple network ports it will block all incoming traffic unless you specifically 'port forward' a port to a particular IP address on your local network, and when you do that only that computer will respond to requests from that port. I'll need a fixed IP address? Where can I get one, free? Best idea for this is a Dynamic DNS name. This is easiest done via http://www.dyndns.org - only problem is that you have to update it everytime your DSL reconnects, but that shouldn't happen too often if your DLS service is reliable. And the server software? MacHTTP? For MacOS on a 68k yeh that's about your only option. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: AppleDesign Speaker Power Connector
On Monday, September 12, 2005, at 10:21PM, Ken Daggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the major difference is that the original ones were a bit larger. I think both were beige in color. You have to look at the label carefully, as I leaned the hard way. The only difference in words is that the later version are called Apple Design Powered Speakers II I suspect that the power adapters were similar if not the same. If you wish, I can dig them out and send you a photo of the speakers and the adapter/plug. Definitely Original version not 'II' version. Photos of the power adapter spec label and the plug that attaches to the speaker would be most useful - thanks! Feel free to contact this address off-list with attached photos. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: AppleDesign Speaker Power Connector
On Tuesday, September 13, 2005, at 00:50AM, rrhoton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 9-inch high beige version; model M6082 requires a .25 input plug(15VDC) in with + on the tiny,(seems smaller than usual...) center pin; - on the barrel. Hope this helps. rrhoton --END Keith Johnson wrote: I have both beige versions. One set is about 6 tall each and the other set is about 8-9 tall. I was able to find power adapters (wall warts) for both at Radio Shack. The adaptor comes with no plug: you have to find the right end among the many they have on the racks and then plug it onto the end of the adaptor cord. I can't find any UK suppliers that supply that plug, I guess it must be a US standard type. anyone fancy posting one across the atlantic?? :o) -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: AppleDesign Speaker Power Connector
On 10 Sep 2005, at 23:05, Ken Daggett wrote: Do you have the original Apple Design Powered Speakers or the second generation that has the same name followed by the designation II? If you have the later version, I have a set I can dig out and provide pictures. I think I have the PDF manual somewhere also. Original Platinum Type, not the 'II' verson (they were black I think?). -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
AppleDesign Speaker Power Connector
I managed to rescue a pair of AppleDesign beige speakers from a friend who was going over some old junk and found them and knew I was an Apple addict. Trouble is there were no cables at all and no PSU. The interconnects I can sort out easily but the power supply is another matter. It doesn't seem to take any normal DC power adapter connectors. As as far as I can tell it has a slim pin in the centre (+) and a wider sleeve around the outside (-). I don't know though so I would like someone if possible to photograph, describe or whatnot the power adapter plug that plugs into the back of the speaker with the metal back panel so I can make or source one for my speakers. Thanks... -- Mark Benson My Blog: http://mdblog.68kmac.org 68kMac.org: http://www.68kmac.org Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Marathon?
On Tuesday, August 09, 2005, at 04:21PM, Sherman Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can run it on a IIci, but I think it runs well with a PowerMac 6100 and up, unless you got the open source version, then I would suggest running it on something a bit more powerful, but you don't need much. Marathon was also specially optimised to run on the AV Quadras (660av and 840av). -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Networking LCs
On 28 Jul 2005, at 06:47, Gregg Eshelman wrote: You don't need an angle adaptor. All LC PDS ethernet cards have the connector on the side to plug directly into the PDS. One thing to watch out for are the earliest LC PDS ethernet cards, made before the LCII. Some will only work in the original LC. The LCIII introduced an extended PDS and the few cards made to use the extended section will not work in any short LC PDS. Except for the few early ones, all short LC PDS cards work in the LCIII and later Macs with the LC PDS. Interesting - I've never come across a short slot card that didn't work in a long slot. I guess all mine are later cards! How about one of the list's LC gurus doing up a web page on the cards made to use the extended LC PDS? It's gone on the 'To Do' list for my latest project. -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: What is this NuBus card?
On 25 Jul 2005, at 18:11, John Niven wrote: Just came across this on ebay and wondered if anybody knew what it was? Is it some sort of cache ram? It doesn't appear to have any ports. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItemitem=5751488806category=80075ssPageName=WD1Vrd=1 No connection with seller, just wondering. The card is for Bus Mastering. This is the process of allowing 2 card to communicate data across a data Bus (in this case the NuBus slots) without the need to pass it via the CPU. It speeds up card to card transfer and frees up CPU time. However, and this is worth noting before you rush out and buy it, you need 2 card that are Bus Mastering enabled to use it on NuBus I think. PCI has this function integrated into the chipset, but NuBus did not, so this card was designed to allow it to perform the operation. John BTW what happened to the LEM lists? It got very quite yesterday. Quite a lot of people reported the LEM lists stopped dead for about a day. I think Dan Knight has been doing housework. The LEM site has had a BIG facelift since I last went there (admittedly about 4 months ago!). Maybe Dan was clearing the mailboxes of spam etc. I know they used to be pretty bunged up when I was a List Nanny and used to be the root of some of the spurious warning messages people go. Dunno I'm just guessing :o) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Using a NewerTech g3 7600 upgrade card in a 8600
On 17 Jul 2005, at 23:08, Murray Woods wrote: Hi: Is it possible/useful/practical to use a NewerTech g3 275mHz upgrade card in a PPC 8600/250? The speed difference doesn't appear significant; is the difference between the original CPU and the G3 on the card mean much? The G3 should be faster, have you tried hunting down a Cache Enabler extension or some such for Mac OS. There should be one at: http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/index.cfm? page=accelerators_newertech.htmltitle=Accelerators If you can find it. Also I strongly recommend picking up a PCI graphics card, a Rage128 PCI card (ex-BW G3 or G4 Yikes!) shouldn't cost you anything significant these days. It's made my 9600 from OK to very fast and very useable with only a G3/300 card in it. I think a lot of the non- acceleration you are noticing maybe the graphics chip. Failing that you can try adding extra VRAM, but it's getting hard to find. Also, can I use the RAM chips from the 7600 in the 8600 (GURU 2.9 seems to say so) to any purpose? Yes. They are very similar computers, and all PowerMacs from the 7200 to the 9600 all use the same RAM. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: A lighthearted observation...
On 16 Jul 2005, at 01:37, Ian Nixon wrote: ...And there's a PowerBook (Not sure which model) that saves the world in Independence Day FWIW I wasn't going around on the old film/tv Mac spotter's bandwagon again. If I was I'd have mentioned that in The Matrix Revisited it looks like most of the edit work was done on a G3 tower, but anyway I wasn't... -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: new mac names designations
On 30 Jun 2005, at 21:44, Manuel Marques wrote: By the way, as Intel chips will power the new Macs, will the prices drop a bit? Finally I will get a Macintosh that will run my Window$ games and progs as well! Not initially as the cost of developing Intel-based technologies and transitioning software like Rosetta will offset any savings from using Intel CPUs. Longer term though yeh it should do that. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Best said reference yet [Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???]
On 25 Jun 2005, at 06:48, NODEraser wrote: I wonder if Sonnet got the chips for its upgrade cards from IBM, or if they made their own? My Sonnet G4 in my BW is not made by Sonnet - I think it's copyright stamped as Motorola but that means it could be either a Moto or an IBM. I've never popped the sink off my 9600s Sonnet G3 chip but from other people's experiences most of them seem to be IBMs. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
OT: Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
This is a veritable Essay and most of it's off topic so read it at your peril... On 24 Jun 2005, at 09:56, Darren wrote: Pretty much sums it up for me, I dont understand how you compare a MacOS on Mac hardware and Windoze on every piece o crap hardware thats ever been invented. Most pc users have never flashed their mobo bio's for example, a Mac on the other hand does whats needed at each update. Not really a viable option for M$ is it, really? I'm not complaining about the hardware, my personal PC hardware has always been of the highest quality I can afford and has seldom been at fault. I just don't find the Windows interface intuitive. It's as simple as that. We paid for 10.4 server to replace OS9 and AppleshareIP in our x- platform office, 1 day it lasted. All sorts of problems running MYOB which we have used since the Colour Classic was new, problems networking with both the imacs and pc. And you think that's never happened to anyone upgrading a Windows or Linux network? Were you still using the Old World version of MYOB that you had when the Color Classic was new? ?If so whoever expected that to work with OS X needs their head examined. Things move on. Technology occasionally advances to a point where, despite a lot of swearing and blustering, you have to change systems. The reason it hit your office so hard is that on the Mac it hasn't happened since the introduction of System 7. Apple don't up and change the whole rule book every 5 years like Microsoft. People in Windows offices get hit by this little darling of an issue every 5-7 years. Think yourself lucky this is the first time it's happened since you installed MYOB back in 1993! Also servers and networks are an entirely different matter here. They are a law unto themselves. I was purely discussing the client OS side and usability. If you want to pull server OSs apart then OS X server is still way behind in terms of features. It doesn't have the hardcore security of Linux or the feature-rich out of the box status of Windows Server. It's good but it's got a long way to go. I like *using* XP even on this 6 year old ex celeron 600. ;) this board was a good buy, it's come a long way so deserves to still be used for email and surfing and mac emulation - well not Pear, thats for the 3.6 that doesn't go online to often. I rarely use Windows without swearing at it at least once because it does something I didn't want it to. It's not just that I'm used to a Mac because I use a Windows machine more on an hours/day basis than a Mac. It's simply that me and Windows don't compute. Moving from AmigaOS to Mac was a hard, to move again to the pc was complete chaos for me, in the end I stopped trying to compare everthing else to what I was used to, once I'd done that I could finally understand Nix. :) and enjoy what was in front of me for its good and bad points. Odd you should mention Amiga OS. I've used OS 3.1 and 3.9 on my 2 Amiga 1200s and find them quite enlightening (despite the fact I'm currently all fingers and thumbs on an Amiga but I'm still learning!). It's a good OS. You could stack up your pennies and buy an AmigaONE ;o) A MacOS on intel will not loose its soul it will still be different in a mac sort of way, it will still come in a cutting edge box and take a different approach to the way you work on your computer. Personally I'd like to see it try to cover everything XP-pro does in the way of hardware but no one does that do they? :) No, not even Windows XP Pro ;o) P4 3.6, it will be a while before Pentium D gets to 3.6, dual cores +intel=heat if developers are getting 3.6 boxes now it narrows your choices down a bit. Yes but 2 cores means it's (almost) twice as fast so the question is begged that if Apple take advantage of the computational power of Dual-Core Intel CPUs then do they need to be 3.6GHz? Alot changes in 2 years. Mac users are very adaptable, I'm sure to be reading a whole different lot of Windows bashing in three years time, I trust that wont change. ;) I'd like to see OS wars on a even playing field, if that doesn't happen I'll side with Jeff on this one. I just voice what I find unsatisfactory. If that involves bashing an OS then I'll go there. For what it's worth I have voiced plenty of displeasure with OS X over the 4 years I've been using it. I just believe that, on the client side at least, OS X is somewhat more developed. All OSs have bugs and missives, and I have the patience of a saint, but not all of them constantly annoy me, as Windows has done for the past 13 years consistently. I bet even St. Peter would mutter something and get out a roll of duct tape if one of those clouds at the gates of heaven kept dripping on him for 13 years... -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
On 24 Jun 2005, at 05:18, NODEraser wrote: I started using Macs and PCs at about the same time (1990 or so), and have continued to use both over the years. I don't find either OS particularly difficult to use or navigate, but perhaps it's just because I have grown with them. I work on a PC everyday at work and use a Mac at home all the time. There are just some things, a lot of which I mentioned, that just bite when they keep happening every day and you know there is a better alternative but can't get to it (bosses are totally anti-Mac). I don't have a problem using Windows, I've been using it since 1992, and have used every version bar Me (for which I should be truly thankful - I went with 2000 :o) ). I know Windows inside out for the most part. I just don't think it's as intuitive to use on an 'everyday' basis as Mac OS X. OpenOffice has many things to work out before it can become a serious competitor with Microsoft Office. It's still really buggy, and there are some semi-important things (in my opinion) that you just can't do, like only print a selected page(s) from a spreadsheet. I know Excel 2000 can't do that either and it's annoying as hell. Also they nee d a Preview pane in the File - Open dialog so you can see what you are opening without having to open it. If you're interested try version 1.94 BETA. It's a lot better than 1.1.4 and seems to work OK despite being a beta. The biggest issue I have with OO is that it's slow as hell cause a lot of it is written in Java. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Best said reference yet [Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???]
On 24 Jun 2005, at 05:13, NODEraser wrote: Approximately when did IBM start making PPC processors? I thought the first PPCs were Motorola... As far as I know either IBM started the PowerPC design in the 80's or it was a joint IBM/Moto project from the start. Either way IBM have always had at least shared copyright over elements of the PPC design. The only one they don't own rights to is the G4 (75xx) design which was Motorola's own project. Motorola have now pulled out of the PPC project altogether, and I wouldn't be surprised if they handed exclusive rights to their stuff to IBM (that's not confirmed anywhere BTW, it's pure conjecture). I believe IBM own the rights to the G3. That means they may also own the 603. As that piccy of Dana's showed (thanks gal :o) ) IBM also produced 601s (I have exactly the same chip on my 7100/80 board) under their copyright. 604s I'm not sure about, I think IBM produced them under license from Motorola, same with G4s. I think IBM made little to no G4s though. A lot of ifs and buts and maybes there, but suffice to say IBM have been in PPCs as long as they've been around. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Best said reference yet [Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???]
On 24 Jun 2005, at 05:13, NODEraser wrote: Approximately when did IBM start making PPC processors? I thought the first PPCs were Motorola... What would we do without Wikipedia ;o) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC It appears that it was an IBM project from the start. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Best said reference yet [Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???]
On 22 Jun 2005, at 04:06, Dylan McDermond wrote: The best bet is the future Pentium M derivatives Current rumoring suggests Pentium M for mobile and small form factor machines (read Mac mini, Powerbook, iBook) and Pentium D Dual Core CPUs where the G5 is currently (iMac and PowerMac). If they can tune OS X and their Pro Apps to get the most out of the Pentium D it'll be a good computer. The reason the higher-end machines will not be out next year is because the Pentium D has only just been unveiled and Apple and Intel still need time to co-develop the new architecture to hone it to the sorts of levels that the PowerMac G5 is at. Anyone who thinks Apple will mod stock PC boards to work as Macs doesn't know Apple. They will want boards done to their own spec. They quite possibly will use some other Intel components, the laptops for example will likely have built-in Centrino mobile technology for wireless rather than AE (that means Apple laptops will finally have WiFi built-in as standard, as current Intel based PC laptops tend to). They may also use part or all of the Intel motherboard chipset. The boards however will be custom layouts. One thing I also think Apple may well do is either solder down the CPUs, or alternatively use a non-PC standard socket pattern for the CPU. That said however they have, for all their protestations, not been totally adverse to CPU upgrades in the past. You never know we may in the future be able to upgrade the CPUs on our Macs with off-the-shelf stock from an PC vendor. How cool is that! Dell already have a Pentium D PC out but *that* operating system isn't in the slightest optimised for EM64T *OR* Dual Core so it's pretty much a waste of money in the Windows world, at least for now. Re: the reference that was originally quoted, that reference refers completely to Intel's Itanium IA64 architecture, which is a dead duck. Intel have developed EM64T which is easy to support alongside AMD's AMD64 line, and so I believe the IA64 line will be phased out within 18 months in favour of a line of high-end EM64T chips, maybe with inbuilt IA64 legacy translation. Either way Apple are not using IA64. I am not even totally sure IA64 is x86 compatible. Also I'd like to point out to those that were muttering about Intel making PowerPC CPUs that IBM own all the patents to PowerPC and POWER technology. Apple can't just walk up to Intel and ask to make PPCs - the designs are not Apple's to hand out. It simply would not be possible. IBM and Intel might co-operate (begrudgingly) in the low- end Server market but they are both producing chips and thus are rivals in CPU terms. It'd be like Apple giving Microsoft the keys to OS X... Either way that rumor is dead as the line is confirmed to be x86. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
On 20 Jun 2005, at 15:02, Marco van de Voort wrote: I'm no real mac'er, but I'd say it is the software/hardware integration. The OS is decent, but not vastly superior IMHO Not vastly superior to what exactly? OS X 10.4 blows large holes in XP in several areas. It also has large advantages over desktop Linux. O'course that's only my opinion but it is shared by most industry experts. and neither is the hardware. Here I agree. If there is something to it, it is the combination of both. If I thought I could run Windows apps and games through it I'd run it on my PC as well. I love OS X. Yes Apple hardware is nice too and I wouldn't necessarily stop buying the hardware. Half of the PC OS problems are due to the infinite amount of hardware it has to run on. Actually I have very few hardware problems with XP. It's come on massively since the days of Windows 98 and balky drivers. All the problems I have with Windows relate to a lack of intuitive interface and missing features (or at the very least inferior versions of them) that I use constantly in Mac OS X. Also the quality of software just isn't there for Windows. Only the big-guns in design etc. (most of which started out on the Mac - like Adobe) make relatively good PC Apps. Most others simply wouldn't cut it in the Mac community. The only really good free stuff I have found for the PC is from Mozilla. I also hate the taskbar in Windows, it's a disaster of clutter and confusion compared tot the dock. Anyhoo. That's just me, or is it? Everyone in my office constantly complains about things on their PCs and most if it is problems arising from Windows being hard to use or badly thought out. Also teaching people to use MS Apps like Word or Excel in Windows is a nightmare. The interface is just so hard to understand. First you have a menu bar from which you can do everything. Then you have button bars in the same place (which causes confusion). Then you have som buttons down the side... and some at the bottom of the screen (by default). And for everyone who is currently preaching OpenOffice as the way out of MS oppression think again, it might be free but it's just as bas as MS Office to use. OK I'm done... :o) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PowerPC 7500
On Friday, June 17, 2005, at 08:33AM, Darren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thomas Burns wrote: A couple questions. I'm trying to turn a 7500 into a little media center mainly just playing iTunes or internet radio. Specs on the 7500: Currently running 8.6 with a 2gb HD and 512mb ram and a sonnet crescendo 450mhz upgrade Can I do the following... 1. Install 10.2 or 10.3 (I just bought a copy of 9.0 and assume I can use Xpostfacto, has anyone done this?) 2. Install a wireless card? 3. Have the S-video out display on the TV? 4. Use a bluetooth keyboard or mouse after putting a USB card in? 5. Related question, does Airport Express extend the range of a (non-Airport) wireless router? You have this list confused with the pci-mac list where you will find folks to help with your questions. 1. 9.0 is fine on the 7500, Xpostfacto should allow you to upgrade to 9.2.2 atleast. XPostFacto allows installation of OS X 10.0 up to 10.3.9 on unsupported hardware. Darren, you may be confusing it with OS 9 Helper from OS9forever.com which allows installation of 9.2.2 on older machines (I've used OS 9 Helper on my 3400c Powerbook and it works flawlessly). I personally only use it on the 3400c because I can't install OS X. I don't recommend using it unless you intend to actually use OS 9, 9.1 will work fine for everything bar a few apps and also work as a Classic OS in OS X also. I dont see a problem getting X onto it. Nope, OS X on a PCI Powermac ain't a problem, I have 10.3.9 running happily on a 9600. Only things to look out for are XPostFacto is not the most straight forward thing to do, especially with 10.3.x. Also SCSI gremlins on old PCI machines can sometimes mess with OS X a bit. When I ran 10.1 on a 7300 a few years back I had to juggle the SCSI a bit because what worked fine under 9.1 crashed OS X at boot. It's a bit of a mission to get it working on some configurations, but once done it's very rewarding and with a decent CPU (my 9600 is only running a G3/300 and is fine) and your demands minimal) OS X glides along nicely. 2. Got any pci slots empty? Check compatibility with the OS you settle for. Wireless is a bit of a weirdo on PCI only machines. Easiest way is via OS X and a 3rd Party Driver. Either choose a company that has OS X drivers for a PCI wireless card, or locate a 3rd Party Driver like that by www.ioxperts.com and a supported card. You can either go for a PCI card or a PCI cradles and a PCMCIA card. 3. I've flashed a few ATI cards for the powermac, the 7000 and above have s-video out and support for OS9.2 and above. My 9600 has a Rage 128GL and it's a bit sluggish when hurling windows about but if it's a media center your screen res will be low (for the TV). Radeon PCI cards are nicer, smoother running the OS X GUI and have your required TV Out connector. 4. Install a USB card first of all, then any good USB keyboard and mouse will work. I'd go for non-bluetooth wireless. Apple's bluetooth setup has problems with a laggy mouse (I have had this verified with an Apple consultant who has had the problem with all the machines he's used them with), plus the more steps you take out of the system the better. 5. dont now. I think it does. I know it will link into existing wireless setups so I can't see how it wouldn't. My recommendations as far as storage go are to find an OS X compatible ATA PCI card that supports booting OS X and buy a new Seagate or Maxtor hard disk - be aware however that ATA/66 and ATA/100 only support up to 120GB. ATA/133 supports larger drives. You will need space for music and videos and stuff anyway, so get a big drive. both manufacturers mentioned make very fast, quiet drives. Partition off 15GB for OS X, 1GB for OS 9 (in case of emergencies) and leave the rest for media. Junk the old 2GB SCSI drive. They are whiney and too small to be of any practical use on such a system. It's only just possible to fit OS X on a 2GB drive - I've done it but with very little room to spare. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto: Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Oh my....... Intel CPU's???
On Tuesday, June 07, 2005, at 08:57AM, simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thinking about it, he has done this before. when NeXT computer stopped making hardware and NeXTSTEP became Openstep, they switched also from motorola to intel (or from black hardware to white.. ) before, NeXTSTEP could run on 4 different platforms, NeXT hardware (motorola black hardware), Sun supersparcs, HP 9000 series and intel pc's so the knoledge to make cross-platform software was in their hands. So Intel compatibility was already there. It always has been. I suspect Steve Jobs may even have planned to use Intel at Apple long before now, but couldn't get the deal straight with Intel, or was encouraged by PPC development to stick with PPC. and when apple took over NeXT (actually Apple sold itself to NeXT... :-) you saw Openstep develop into Mac OS X, running on just one platform (but don't forget DARWIN) so the knoledge is there they must be testing intel hardware now for years, so there must be a Mac OSX around for intel... There has been a Mac OS X for Intel as long there has been Mac OS X. What is more is goes back further. The Rhapsody project, which was Apple's development of OpenSTEP, was Dual Platform and ran on Intel PCs (with limited hardware support) and PPC Macs alike. The project continued publicly as a dual platform development right up until OS X Server 1.0 (note that's not 10.x) when it went Mac only. From there I suspect the Intel development went inside Apple but continued in parallel with the Mac PPC development. I sat down after the Keynote and had a long hard think about all this and realised it all makes rather a lot of sense, really. Suspiciously so, in fact. Steve Jobs purportedly vetoed the move to Intel in 2000 sighting too much disruption to developers. That reason was they were still on OS 9 at the time and no structure was in place for the move. All the time we have been lapping up OS X on PPC hardware, they have been developing the transitive systems necessary to make PPC and Intel software cooperate on one machine with an Intel CPU. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: What to do with IIcx?
On 15 May 2005, at 13:32, Marco van de Voort wrote: I recently resurrected a IIcx that had been on a closet shelf for about 6 years. It was working when I put it in there, but now it was dead. I replaced the battery, but no go. It has dirty roms, so it is useless (read: it won't run Unix) ;-) I can't find any info for Linux/m68k but I know NetBSD/mac68k lists all Mac IIs a supported. Seriously, spending $20 on _parts_ of a CX? I bought a complete 840AV for Eur 15. Some people still love their old Macs enough to spend money on them you know, and still find it rewarding. I messed with a CI for a long time, and in retrospect with only meagre results. Anything you do requires more cash for upgrade (ethernet, cpu upgrade, a 5400 RPM disc that won't overheat the system, more than 32MB memory, external CDROM etc etc) I added a 68040, a Thunder IV GX 1360, 128MB RAM, and 4GB 7200rpm drive to my IIci and it has become a very useful box o' tricks. Granted it doesn't run Unix but I'm not convinced about the whole Mac/ Unix thing anyway. It certainly runs OS 7.1 extremely well, and I have used it in the past as a scanner station for my (now in storage) UMAX scanner. So unless you have access to cheaply get a lot of stuff for it, or are really sentimental, I suggest kitting it water proof, filling it up with water, and use it as a door stop, and start looking for an AV or so, if you want to keep a 68k around for nostalgia. I don't know wether you are joking about that or not but either way I ain't laughing much. The older the machine, the more it's worth striving to protect and to keep in use. If you don't have the patience for such things i suggest you go back to your shiny new Mac and play with Tiger. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: What to do with IIcx?
On 25 May 2005, at 14:18, Allan Hunter wrote: At 8:12 AM +0100 5/25/05, Mark Benson wrote: I added a 68040, a Thunder IV GX 1360, 128MB RAM, and 4GB 7200rpm drive to my IIci and it has become a very useful box o' tricks and I have used it in the past as a scanner station for my (now in storage) UMAX scanner. That wouldn't by any chance be a UC 630 flatbed, now would it? |It is a UMAX T630 VISTA Flatbed. Size of a small flat in london and very very accurate colour reproduction and also good interpolation for it's age. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: What to do with IIcx?
On 25 May 2005, at 19:17, Allan Hunter wrote: Sounds similar to my model. Mine sits next to my work area at home, and when I want to scan anything I plug it into the SCSI port of my WallStreet PowerBook. Three separate color passes (loud as hell on the blue pass for reasons I've never been able to figure out), built like a tank, will probably last for 100 years. Yup, i pulled mine off a municipal dump 'recycling' pile along with a ton of other stuff including a CD drive and a complete copy of Silverlining 6. Funny old world... -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: What to do with IIcx?
On 25 May 2005, at 23:58, NODEraser wrote: It absolutely makes me sick, to think of what people are throwing away these days... Probably even G4's and other new equipment, besides old stuff that's still perfectly useable. The current thing seems to be disposing of G3 stock that is no longer 'useable' becuase OS X has moved on so far that it's not percieved to really any longer feasible to use it day in day out on a G3 machine. In the dumpster with it all... In my opinion it's sick, and stupid. There are people out there who don't have a computer, and want one but don't have the cash. Give them a nice shiny G3 BW with a 10GB hard disk and OS 9.2, Eudora and a copy of AppleWorks 6 and they are set to go. Some people simply don't NEED power. The trouble is no-one takes the time to think about it cause it doesn't make money, or so they think... As for the old 68ks, I'm sure many a person here will tell you many of them are as good for e-mail and word processing stuff as any G5 supercomputer, after all the limiting factor is not the machine when typing it's the users fingers and brain :o) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: newbie
On 26 Apr 2005, at 15:46, Manuel Marques wrote: I've got an LCIII running Mac OS 7.6.1 and it runs fine! But if you want reliability, you can download System 7.5.3 from Apple's website that it will run great! (of course I'm here talking, but my LCIII has 20 megs of RAM) It's an old and long-played out argument. Some of us prefer 7.1 because it's smaller and much faster. You can add most of 7.5.3 or later features to it without trouble (I have several OS 8.1 extensions running fine under 7.1 on my IIci) if you have both OS's to hand (and as 7.5.3 is free then you should have). 7.1 is in the long run a much more efficient system version, especially with LCIIIs having such a low RAM ceiling, and does lack the ability to run later stuff if you don't mind shuffling extensions. Admittedly if you are looking for an easy starter then 7.5.3 is free and available. To get the machine running it would be fine. Simply 7.1 is not the best option, and 7.5.3 has much more, and runs fine on that 8 meg PM! You should then get a copy of RAM Doubler (I could send you one, if you'd like). I also tend to avoid RAM Doubler, yeh sure it's a neat idea, but it also drains valuable CPU time copying back and forth from RAM to disk and back, and if you have an original spec 40MB drive then your gonna see still more reduction. 7.5.3 does run 'fine' on 8MB of RAM but 7.1 runs 'fast' on 8MB RAM, and less. I personally stopped running 7.5 on my machines long ago. It's not particularly stable once you start doing real work on them, and what you gain in features are usually mostly superfluous or can be added simply to 7.1 by dropping the later extensions into the System Folder. In addition a lot of software that specifies it requires 7.5 or later is usually lying, you just need to add a few extensions to 7.1 and it works fine. One of my neatest Tricks so far has been to copy the whole AppleShare and Networking structure from OS 8.1 to System 7.1 in order to gain AppleTalk over IP compatibility, works like a charm. Oh and as a last note you will need System Enabler 003 to run 7.1 on an LCIII. This is also available 'out there' but I wasn't able to put a finger on exactly where. I'd guess Apple still have it on FTP in the same place as System 7.5.3, that's where I got my copy. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Quadra 840 AV vs. 601 Pmacs
On 20 Mar 2005, at 22:44, Tim Maloney wrote: Settle a bet. I was telling a friend of mine, who started with macs when the Power Mac7100s came out, that the 840s were actually faster than the first Power Macs. Apple went the way of the PPC because they knew faster speeds were more attainable with the PPC architecture than with 68k, but those first attempts weren't quite there, as nice as they were. What do you think Vintage Mac'ers? OS-wise I find 8.1 is about the same speed on equivalent 68k vs. 601 rigs. 33MHz 040 (LC575) is about the same as 66MHz 601 (6100) and 40MHz (i.e. the 840av) is about the same as my 7100/80. One thing you have to remember is the bus was very restrictive on the x100 PowerMacs as they were sill using old 68k architecture for a lot of the component areas, not to mention 68k bandwidths. The 7200 and 8200 use PCI full speed architecture and thus run mega-tons faster. As for apps I'll agree with everyone else - it's just a case of how much of the code is 68k and how much is PPC. They tend to, obviously, run better on their native platforms so it's kinda subjective depending on the software. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Jackhammer SCSI termination issues, Part II (long post)
On 21 Feb 2005, at 11:06, simon wrote: there is your problem. the ID 7 is reserved for the scsi controller itself. try anything but 7. most macs use ID 0 for the internal HD, 3 for a cd drive. i tend to give removables a id of 2 and 3, scanners 4 ot 5 and a second internal drive 1. but thats just me... A good system that works for me is using 0 upwards for internal and 6 downwards for external stuff. That way you have the maximum possibility of avoiding ID conflict issues. Also I insist on having SCSIProbe in the Control Panels folder on all my older machines in order to inspect and confirm IDs. This issue is I believe with the Jackhammer NuBus card and not the IIfx onboard SCSI, thus the weird chips ought not to be a problem here. Also I personally never ever use 3rd party SCSI drivers on hard disks, unless they have been proven conclusively not to work with the standard Apple drivers. I use patched versions of either HD SC Setup (System 6/7 or UNIX) or Drive Setup (8.0 onwards). -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE/30 Ethernet
On 11 Feb 2005, at 19:32, Liam Proven wrote: Speed? Yeh speed is the biggest difference. Also the Asante PDS card I have in my (currently in bits) SE/30 is totally compatible with Open Transport and requires no drivers other than the standard Apple ones included with OT 1.x. I have an Danya SCSI/Port SCSI Ethernet adaptor on my Classic II it's *dog* slow, at least under MacOS 7.6.1. Not got it working on System 6 yet. No power brick though - it takes a passthru' from the ADB port. If you can get an internal card, go for it in preference. Not possible on the Classic II AFAIK - no slot. As far as I know the Mac, Mac 512, Plus, Classic and Classic II are the only desktop machines you can't buy internal Network Interface Cards for, or don''t have LAN built-in as standard. (Man that was a horrible sentence ;o) ). No other examples come straight to mind at least. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Introducing Macintosh Classic II - pick one out on your way past the trash! -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: FWB Jackhammer SCSI card questions
On Friday, February 04, 2005, at 12:03PM, Hal Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I just installed a Jackhammer SCSI card (with version 3.2 control panel) and connected the internal 50pin hard drive to it. It boots OK with the internal drive but whenever I try to connect an external device I get a sad Mac. Is this normal or have I not installed something properly? Thanks! Try fiddling with the termination, both in the internal drive, the Jackhammer card and the external device. If the external device on the bus is not terminated or insufficient terminating power is supplied to the bus then the system will often suffer a bus error trying to access the SCSI. 50-pin drives *should* have an on-board terminator or facility to take terminating resistor packs. The board itself has a set of 3 1-line sockets behind the 68-pin connector that will take standard resistor packs also. I can't remember from memory (I'm several miles from my IIci!) if they use 8-pin or 10-pin packs... The external drive may have a switch on the back for it. Some do, some don't. Failing that you may need an in-line active terminator, or if it's an optical or MO drive it may have it on the internal drive mechanism. Terminating power is a bit more tricky. The card should supply enough for one device. This will not be sufficient if 2 devices are both terminating the different ends of the cable (AFAIK the 50-pin bus on the Jackhammer is shared between internal and external, with the 68-pin bus separate. It may only have one 68-pin bus with a fudge around to adapt the 50-pin stuff onto it, dunno for sure, perhaps someone could fill us in? If you get no results from shuffling the termination about look up the links for the hard disk and see if it has a link to enable termination power supplied 'from the drive'. -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Not your typical vintage but check this out!
That's true. The fact that MiniMac has an industry standard interface should give it a longer life. Indeed. It's worked for other Macs. Without doubt it will do. Unfortunately, however, not all USB peripheral manufacturers are wise enough to make Mac compatible peripherals, although the situation has improved a lot since I first got a Mac in 2000. Only if the peripheral is specialized, like USB modems, USB ethernet cards, USB KVM and video cameras with specialized interface software. Storage devices/input devices are all standard and require generic drivers. Printers are also an issue. It seems that Epson is the only major printer company producing Mac printers? Nope, HP, Lexmark, Canon and many other makers of USB printer hardware supply Mac drivers. Failing that a lot can be driven via CUPS, which is the Open Source print manager that OS X uses (the Print Setup stuff is just an Aqua front end). I mean I have driven a HP DeskWriter 520c over a network via a 68k Mac using the AppleTalk Bridge extension in OS 7.1 - from OS X 10.3. It's amazing really how much you CAN do. Also if you have a Windows box you can print to Any Windows printer through SMB sharing from Mac OS X now. I use that to print to my Parallel only HP Laserjet. A way around this issue of hardware support is Open Source. A lot of hardware is supported on Linux because of Open Source. Wish it were the same on the Mac. OS X is based on BSD roots, and Linux stuff is easily portable. There has already been a big increase in thrid party support packages since OS X cam about, including stuff for PC only Webcams, Scanners and other oddities. The LC series machines are far from dead, trust me :o) I agree, I have one. I find it useless without a printer and old printers with a good supply of printer ink are hard to come by. Know of anywhere I can get an old Apple StyleWriter with ink supply? So that I can start my own desktop publishing revolution? One word for you. Network. Any work I do in a 68k is LAN'd to my iMac if it needs printing or any high-power manipulation. 68ks are not dead but in this day and age they have their limits. FWIW I have found that HP Deskwriters are 2-a-penny at dumps and junk stores and you can still get re-manufactured or pattern part ink cartridges for them at most good retailers. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Not your typical vintage but check this out!
On Jan 16, 2005, at 02:33 am, Gregg Eshelman wrote: WHY HAS THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY TOTALLY FORGOTTEN WHAT THE @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@# THE WORD STANDARD REALLY MEANS!! Don't set me off on that one... :) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Not your typical vintage but check this out!
On Jan 15, 2005, at 03:39 pm, Lyndon Tiu wrote: LCPDS never was a standard in computer hardware. USB and Firewire both are. LCPDS is derived from 68040 PDS which was actually the standard interface for the 68040. There were a lot of interface cards made for LCPDS, more, by rights, than there maybe should have been ;o) No early Macs (before the x200 powermacs) used a standard interface technology (they all used PDS of NuBus, or both) so it wasn't any different from the rest of the Mac crowd. SCSI too was never a standard in deskstop computer hardware (maybe for workstations and *nix but not PCs which is the majority) but USB and Firewire both are. SCSI is the most widespread and standardized interface in existence, it's just always been to darn expensive for the home market. Again all Apple computers used it. Back in the early 90s Apple were embroiled in a war against the PCs so called 'standards' by using their own, better ones. These days Apple uses open industry standards so that their computers have a better chance of slipping straight in in place of a PC, or indeed alongside or in cooperation with one or more. Different times, different rules, but the same idea. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Not your typical vintage but check this out!
On Jan 15, 2005, at 07:16 pm, Lyndon Tiu wrote: Yes. PDS is a standard for Apple but not for the whole industry. At that time there were no industry-wide standards in interfaces. Back then in the early 90s, Apple had something like 7-9% market share of PCs at it's peak so PDS (and SCSI in Apple computers) were only present in 7-9% of computers vs. USB and Firewire which is present in most new computer sold today for an effective 100% market share. Hopefully, that will mean more peripherals and more expandability and longer life for the MiniMac than the original LC. Without doubt it will do. Unfortunately, however, not all USB peripheral manufacturers are wise enough to make Mac compatible peripherals, although the situation has improved a lot since I first got a Mac in 2000. SCSI standards also changed over time with not so much backwards compatibility. SCSI is still backwards compatible. You just have to talk to it right. I run a pair of 68-pin U160 drives off an LC 475 board in a custom case. I also use an 80-pin U160 drive in my Quadra 840av (via an adapter and a NuBus SCSI card). It's not as hard as it looks. Basically if you can get an upper-byte terminated wide-to-narrow SCSI adapter then you are most of the way there. I have however found that in some machines the 68-pin drive won't work without you put a terminator on the end of the 50-pin ribbon. Other than that it's pretty straight-forward. If anything new comes in the USB/Firewire standards, hopefully, backward compatibility remains. Unlike the SCSI we have in old LCs which are not compatible with modern day SCSI. if backward compatibility remain, then the MiniMac will have a longer happier life than the original LC. The LC series machines are far from dead, trust me :o) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: son of G4 Cube - i shall call him mini mac
On Jan 12, 2005, at 11:56 pm, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: I think the Mac Mini is the natural heir to the niche of the LC. I made a few comments about it on my blog...you might want to read them: http://www.msgeek.org/ I have five compelling potential uses for the thing listed. I wonder if Mr. Flat Pack Mac is going to weigh in on this. I really have to stop reading this list from newest to oldest posts!! Yes Michelle I totally agree (as a complete LC fanatic). -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: PowerBook 165
On Sep 15, 2004, at 10:44 pm, Ian Nixon wrote: Hi people... I have a PowerBook 165 that when you power it on, you'd be able to see everything in it, but the CONTRAST is going up and down on its own (NOT the Backlamps). It does this MOSTLY through the boot up process, but lots of other times, also. Any ideas? Most likely the interconnect board that sits under the brightness/contrast controls and handles the screen data/power, speaker, mic (if it's got one), brightness/contrast sliders, and also holds the PRAM battery. It is all linked to the main boards (in the lower half) by a large ribbon. They are renowned for failing in all Powerbook 1x0 models. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PowerBook 165
On Thursday, September 16, 2004, at 10:10AM, Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Ian Nixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that have buttons or a mechanical slide/knob to adjust the contrast? Powerbooks of that era use sliding adjusters linked directly to variable resistor units on the interconnect board. There's always resetting the power manager. It can't hurt anything. Given the symptoms i highly doubt the Power Manager is at fault (the usual PMU complaints are sleep not working or battery state confusion), but as you say it wouldn't do any harm other than having to set the damn clock again ;) http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58416#faq7 Ignore the 'remove batter and AC adapter... etc. etc.' bit - In my experience it never works ;) -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Standing Down...
On Sep 8, 2004, at 04:43 pm, Jeff Garrison wrote: Sounds as if your life is making a turn. Hopefully for the better. Best of luck to you in your future endeavors, Mark. You've been a great well of information. And never once, that I can recall, have you ever been cruel to a newbie.=^) I'm still gonna be around here and at Mac-UK, Unsupported OS X and MacNetwork, so I'm not gonna take my toys away totally. Out of all the areas this list is the one i have the broadest knowledge base of and have gained the best help and advice from so I am sticking around, after all someone's gotta help me look after this somewhat overgrown collection of old hardware! ;o) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Standing Down...
Just to let everyone know that I have handed in my papers and an standing down as the list Nanny for Vintage Macs. It's been so quiet here recently I don't think it needs a full-time dedicated Nanny (sadly), also i have had a shift in priorities and no longer have the time to admin for the LEM lists. I'll still be around if anyone needs me for Mac related stuff but I'm afraid I will no longer be able to handle anything admin related. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Not receiving posts
On Sep 3, 2004, at 09:59 pm, Sherman Chen wrote: You must have installed the AOL reverse spam filter! A guy at work here was telling me that AOL was started by these 3 mormans. I told him he's right - AOL was started by these 3 morons. :) I suggest someone forwards this complaint to AOL, in the mean time amusing though your analysis of the situation is, it's not really a topic for this list. Oh and AOL sucks - it's like sticking a 100ft square sign on your lawn that says 'SPAM ME!!' ;o) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Excellent 68k site and IRC channel
On Aug 14, 2004, at 12:49 am, J.S. Garrison wrote: on 8/13/04 2:09 PM, Tim Maloney at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found a great place for advice and chat about Compact and Classic Macs. Somebody banned this nitwit, Right?! I see no reason to ban him. You can't monopolise the ability to provide useful information and help. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Large Volumes in 7.1
Probably been visited before but is there any way around the 2GB barrier for Volume sizes in System 7.1. It says, if you add a drive with a large volume, that the limit is 4GB, but the only app I have that will format drives on the Jackhammer in my IIci is Anubis 3.0 (Charismac) and that only allows 2GB volumes in 7.1. Before anyone asks, Lido doesn't work with extra SCSI hardware, it is only single bus. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Forcing Resolutions
On Aug 13, 2004, at 10:10 pm, Desert Fox wrote: on 8/13/04 8:40, Philip Stortz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3267.htm proof that the U.S. media is now state controlled! Ask your' local tv station why the hell they aren't airing the news any more! Our system of government requires an informed public, with their eyes open. Where's the list nanny? Here! -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Forcing Resolutions
Does anyone know of a REsEdit hack or some such for either the 7.x or 8.1 Monitors ( Sound in the later case) CP to allow them to display a list of all the resolutions available regardless of the monitor? I have an Apple Multiple Scan 720 hooked to my 840av and it only runs at 640x380 @ 67.7Hz - kind of irritating on a machine with 2MB of VRAM!! -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Laptop floppy in a desktop?
On Aug 10, 2004, at 12:12 am, Scrappy Laptop wrote: Try here: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Hardware/Developer_Notes/ Macintosh_CPUs-68K_Portable/PowerBook_140_170.pdf Alright, good now the interface for a standard Mac floppy? -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: memory limit on IIsi w/presto
On Aug 8, 2004, at 07:08 am, Clark Martin wrote: At 10:04 PM -0500 8/7/04, charles lenington wrote: you had to install mode 32 to see more then 16 w/ OS 7.x charles lenington Not on a IIsi. The limit is 8 Mb and applies to machines without 32 bit clean ROMs like the IIcx, SE/30 and Mac II. I sincerely hope you meant 6.x ;o) I didn't even know System 6 would run on a 32-bit clean ROM. Learn something new every day I guess... I did know it was limited to 8MB though because I used to run an SE/30 with 32MB of RAM in it in 6.0.8, with Mode 32. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: a great website about repairing the SE/30
On Aug 2, 2004, at 08:12 pm, Norbert van Bemmel wrote: Made by a Japanese Mac enthusiast. Just take a look at the schemes, the drawings and the documentation! It's both in English and in Japanese. http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~shamada/fullmac/repairEng.html SE/30 o aisuru hito no tame no subarashii website desu! T'is a well known and oft touted page over on the Compact Macs list. Sp many people are starting to have these problems with SE/30s now that it's become a very frequently visited site for LEM list members! -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: SCSI-3 on Mac IIci
On Jul 27, 2004, at 06:47 am, Matthew Wheeler wrote: Or connectronics.com or digikey.com. Matthew I'm trying to find another 68-way ribbon for my IIci as I have a Jackammer that is running a 50-pin drive in my 7100 ATM, but really wants to do 68-pin ;-). Mark Benson Hey Mark haven't you tried Weird Stuff Warehouse? All kinds of stuff there... Being in the UK, it's not really wholly convenient, but I guess something that small would ship ok. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: SCSI-3 on Mac IIci
On Jul 24, 2004, at 04:00 am, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- Robert Kehrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWB made the Jackhammer line of NuBus SCSI cards that supported Wide SCSI. ATTO made the SE-II narrow SCSI, SE-IV with wide and narrow SCSI and the SE-4D that was differential SCSI. ATTO also did the SiliconExpress IV (SE-IV) which was Fast 50-pin (10MB/s) and Fast Wide 68-pin (20MB/s). I have one in my 840av hooked up to a 18GB half-height (1.6) 18GB Seagate Cheetah 80-pin drive, via an adapter board. Works well enough to make the computer feel several years newer! AFAIK, nothing newer than Wide or Wide/Differential SCSI was done on a NuBus card. These two have 2x the maximum transfer rate of Fast SCSI 2 because they move 16 bits at a time instead of 8 bits. However, you can still adapt SCSI-3 to Wide SCSI and it will transfer at Wide SCSI speed. Differential SCSI controllers should only be used with Differential drives. You can adapt Low Voltage Differential drives to Single Ended, most LVD drives will automatically sense when connected to an SE bus or they have a jumper to force them to SE mode. There might be adapters to connect SE or LVD drives to a Differential controller, but the cost of the adaptors would make it too expensive. OTOH, adapting an SCA80 SE or SE compatable LVD drive can be done for around $7 for an adaptor with both narrow and wide connectors. I have a Seagate 18.2gig 7200RPM LVD drive jumpered to SE mode on my Radius 81/110 and it works fine. I don't quite get what the difference between 'Differential' and 'LVD' is. Are you referring to HVD or something similar? Another way to attack it is to use whatever adapter is required (80-pin or 68-pin to 50-pin) and attach it to the internal SCSI bus. However I have problems with Quantum drives that have been pulled off Dell and Compaq servers, they seem to not like working in Apple machines through the onboard bus at all. Similarly re-cycled Seagate drives however seem to work fine. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: SCSI-3 on Mac IIci
On Jul 26, 2004, at 07:17 am, John Niven wrote: --- Robert Kehrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a way to get a Ultra Fast Wide SSCSI-3 HD working with a Mac IIci? Did anyone ever make a Nubus SCSI board that would do this? FWB made the Jackhammer line of NuBus SCSI cards that supported Wide SCSI. I'm using a Mac IIci to write this email. It has a DayStar 50MHz 68030 pds card along with a JackHammer NuBus SCSI card which is connected to a 4Gb Seagate ST15150W 68pin harddrive :-) The other NuBus slots have a Radius video card and an Apple NIC. I'm running OS 6.0.8 in 8Mb of ram. I'm smiling :-). I call it my IIci - Super Six I'm trying to find another 68-way ribbon for my IIci as I have a Jackammer that is running a 50-pin drive in my 7100 ATM, but really wants to do 68-pin ;-). 'Boston', my IIci has been somewhat powered out in recent months, It's got a Turbo 040/40, 128MB RAM and a Radius Thunder IV GX1360 card slotted in it. I use it as my scanner workstation for my small house-sized UMAX Vista. It ain't the fastest but it does the job well enough that I can scan a few photos in an evening while I'm doing something else. I just need a 9GB drive to keep all the scans on until I can set them copying to my server! -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: SCSI-3 on Mac IIci
On Monday, July 26, 2004, at 09:43AM, Gregg Eshelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Mark Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't quite get what the difference between 'Differential' and 'LVD' is. Are you referring to HVD or something similar? Differential SCSI came first and is simply called that, not High Voltage Differential. Anyone should know what you mean when you say Differential SCSI. When you're talking about Low Voltage Differential you should _always_ say the Low Voltage or LVD. I do tend to refer to LVD as 'LVD', and obviously SE as 'SE'. I just have only seen 'Differential' referred to in passing and was curious as to what it was. It sounds to me like a ver specialist clique that didn't last long, I've certainly in all my SCSI hard drive purchasing shininigans, never met one on eBay. So far, I've not heard of a Differential SCSI drive with the built in ability to be configured for LVD or SE SCSI. This is probably the case I guess... -- Mark Benson http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Mac Spotting
I'll pitch in here - in the UK we have a really cool 'time warp' Volkswagen Golf advert. It starts in the 70s when a guy who looks disturbingly like the young Steve Jobs, visits the Volkswagen factory for an interview. He is then seen designing and opwrking on the original Golf, and every so often the advert time warps, with people's fashions changing etc, and this guy getting older. In one of the final scenes in the ad the guy is sat at a desk analyzing stuff on a computer. It looks to me like an old PC box or a something, anyway there is a time warp and the scene flicks through about 6 time frames in which the PC becomes a Mac then the Mac gets newer as tis guy gets older. When it stops it's a G4 (probably a Cube) with a 21 Flat Panel and the little Pro speakers (ala iMac G4), and the guy is like 50-something and wears typically stylish wire-framed glasses and is graying. He walks out into the factory and i nthe last scene he walks into a room filled with engineers and the new Golf, then the final time warp shows all the different Golfs of the last 30 years in rapid sequence, old to new. It's a damn fine advert, and has Macs in. What more can one ask??? -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: pc100 ram in a 9500?
On Jul 7, 2004, at 08:55 am, Gregg Eshelman wrote: --- Philip Stortz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i suspect it won't work, but does any one know if pc100 ram would work in a 9500? Nope, 5 volt 168 pin EDO or FPM DIMMs. Macs didn't switch to 3.3 volt DIMMs until the first G3, and those were only PC66. (And most of the beige G3 series didn't even run the bus as fast as 66Mhz.) Is the PCI Powermacs list so awful that nobody can get a question answered there these days? This list has been rather dry and barren of posts on the Macs it covers. The PCI PowerMacs Lists is well and truly alive and kicking. I let this thread roll because we seem to be going through an lean patch for posts here again. I guess non-one has a problem with their Vintage Macs at the moment, makes you marvel at just how solid and reliable they are (or that the answer was in the archives ;-) )! -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: pc100 ram in a 9500?
On Jul 7, 2004, at 08:34 pm, Matthew Wheeler wrote: Isn't a Mac vintage if it's not currently sold on the Apple Store? (Just Kidding!) Apple seems to think so. I think you are referring to Obsolete models, which are those past the 7 year cut-off. I believe Apple's minimum age for current OS support is 3 years... -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Vintage Mac Questions
On Jul 7, 2004, at 11:46 pm, Montalto, Joe wrote: Well I guess I could get the ball rolling for some time fillers! Awww, I was at least hoping for some nice flavoured sandwich fillers ;-) Question 1: Who here owns a Mac Classic? I've heard that they have dangerous CRT's inside them that can cause you problems once opened. Is this correct, or am I way off? Partly. If you are VERY careful you can work on these machines perfectly safely, but please be careful, and only work with the mains off and unplugged. The High Tension voltage in the circuitry that drives the tube is enough to do very serious damage to you. I usually leave them for 5-10 mins after I switch them off to allow the residual charge to die down. Apart from sitting on the shelf looking like vintage equipment, what other uses can they have? 20 (40?)mb of hard drive don't exactly make them server material! The hard disk can be swapped for pretty much any 50-pin drive, so long as it fits physically into the chassis. As for uses, well... The Macintosh, Mac 128, Mac 512, Mac Plus, Mac SE and Mac Classic are all 68000 powered and thus pretty low on CPU power. Running System 6.x (on those that support it) or earlier is better than 7.x as 6.x is faster and more compact. These make good clocks, simple e-mail and text writing terminals etc., just don't expect miracles! The SE/30 on the other hand makes a great server. The 68030 CPU and capacity for up to 128MB of RAM make it powerful enough, and the hard disk is upgradable. There are various programs about for older MacOS versions that will serve things like HTTP and FTP. Considering I own a Powermac 8500/180, and a classic, I have a (25mhz?) Quadra 650 (pretty much in-between the previously mentioned machines) lying around collecting dust. Can anyone suggest some good uses for this machine? I believe I've got OS 8.1 installed on it - no modem (internal, maybe but I haven't checked in a while). The Quadra and Centris 650 are the same apart from the name. Again the hard disk is upgradable to anything 50-pin. The RAM ceiling is something I'm not sure about but it should be high enough to allow decent operation. They make tidy second machines for doodling with when ur primary is busy burning a CD or what-not. it would probably also make a decent server if you can stick it someplace that you can't hear the fan!! -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Macintosh IIcx dosen't turn on
On Jun 18, 2004, at 05:26 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check battery voltage If you meant he PRAM battery, then the fact it is or isn't head doesn't make a HiFong of difference - both my IIci's (same board better CPU) have no PRAM battery at all and start/run fine. You could try pulling the PRAM battery and power cable out and leaving it for an hour or so to clear the PRAM totally to factory settings. Apple's soft power machines are know to get their panties in a bunch on occasions if the PRAM battery dies at the wrong moment. Also make a good long check of all the capacitors (tin cylinders with a black strip across the top) to insure there is no electrolyte leakage (looks like spilled Cola drink on the board) as this may have either shorted a vital component or the leaking capacitor may have died. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Floppy drive revival
On May 31, 2004, at 10:07 pm, Jim Foster wrote: As for drives which seem to have a hard time ejecting diskettes, they sometimes come around by a thorough blowing out of dust Best idea is to clean them thoroughly an remove the grease from the mechanism and re-oil/grease them with sewing machine oil or light silicon grease. The original grease used on them hardens up after about a decade and ceases the mechanism in a lot of cases. I've had drives lock solid on me that way. but by and large my practice when faced with a diskette drive that is not working properly has been to replace it with a unit I picked up on eBay. I have cultivated at least one relationship with an eBay vendor I trust and I find it more practical to just fork over a few bucks knowing he will stand behind his stuff than to spend hours trying to repair my own units. Perhaps you don't have a lot of spare time, in which case fair enough, but remember there is only a finite supply of old style auto-inject drive units. I repair any I can and keep them on standby as I have had a few totally die on me as you described - just can't manage to read or write anymore. I had one in an SE/30 and one in a IIci both drop out last year. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: External SCSI drive
On May 29, 2004, at 02:18 am, Doug Anderson wrote: I picked up an old Apple 40SC external hard drive. The previous owner has replaced the drive with a 1GB drive. When I connect this unit to my SE/30, the SE/30 will not boot from its own internal HD, I get the flashing system disk with ? symbol in it. If I disconnect the drive and restart, it works fine. With the computer up and running, if I connect the external drive to the SE/30, the SE/30 will lock up. If I unplug the drive the SE/30 becomes responsive again. The reason is that the termination on the SCSI bus is not right when you attach the drive *or* the ID is conflicting. Generally 4-6 are safe IDs for external units as 1-3 are used for internal units (on a machine with 2 HDDs and a CD-ROM that is). On the SE/30 the HDD in the machine *should* be ID 1. Never use 7 - that is the Mac itself's reserved number. Try not using a terminator as well - the logic seems a bit backwards but as I remember if you terminate a bus that is already terminated internally (which it will be at the hard disk in any 1 hard disk Mac that is still setup as the factory intended) it causes all sorts of weirdness - I'm pretty convinced this is because the way the system is wired in a 68k Mac the external port is in the stream between the SCSI controller and the internal SCSI on a single bus so terminating the internal drive automatically terminates the end of the bus. I don't know that for sure - it's just a theory related to the fact nearly every 68k machine I have used external SCSI on didn't need a terminator - the only exception is my 840av, because it has no hard disk on the internal SCSI lines (instead it has a 18GB U160 on an ATTO SEIV card). I believe the Quadra 900 and 950 also are exceptions as they are dual SCSI bus machines (unless you are running System 7.1 or earlier). -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PowerMac 8100 CD Frontis on a Quadra 840AV?
On May 29, 2004, at 03:15 pm, Andrew McCall wrote: Hi Folks, Now that my Quadra 660AV is up and running WooT (flies flag for his old 660av being up and running in a new home) I have started to turn my attention to my Quadra 840AV - which leads me on to my next questions - does anyone know if a tray loading CD-ROM drive from a Performa 630 will work on a Quadra 840AV? I *hate* the blasted caddy mechanism, and know I am going to end up snapping bits off at some point! I think any Apple SCSI CD-ROM drive will fit. The only requisite is that the plugs are in the same places as the original drive as there is virtually not slack in the cables to move them around in the 840av. I speak from experience... Can I put a tray-loading CD frontis from a PowerMac 8x00 on the Quadra to make it look right too? If you can, is there anyone on this list in the UK that has a spare 8100 CD front-piece? I have cash and other parts that I can trade. All Quadra 800, Quadra 840av, PowerMac 8100, PowerMac 8200 and PowerMac 8500, as well as PowerMac 9500 front bezel panels are compatible, as far as I remember. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: PowerMac 8100 CD Front's on a Quadra 840AV?
On May 29, 2004, at 10:04 pm, Tony Lack wrote: Hello there, The tray loading CD-ROM does fit into the 840av. It does. I think all the SCSI CD-ROM's are interchangeable in all the Mac's that had them. It's just the fascia panel thats different and causes the problem. A much smaller slot on the caddy type. There are planty of perfectly good replacement fascias sculling about, I picked up a mint one from a 8100 a friend scrapped fro next to nothing. I thought the 630 had an IDE drive but may well be mistaken. Nope - it's SCSI. Only the hard disk is IDE. It's funny how people think different. I much prefer the caddy system. It seems a lot less clunky than an old and well used 300i or 600i. Break the caddy and the CD rive is useless. The only way u can render a tray loader useless is by physically breaking the tray, and despite trying a few times (by accident!!) I've never managed it yet. I've always had a lot less trouble with the caddy units and the external version is so smooth and silent. That's be because it's also slow :-) Try finding one of those on ebay! I also use A/UX and need the older drives to run it correctly. I am not aware of an issue with A/UX requiring anything other than a genuine Apple ROM'd CD drive unit. I could be wrong and I know A/UX is a fickle beast... Maybe requires a 300i or 600i or an older drive? -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: using Mac IIci on multisinc monitors
On May 26, 2004, at 05:49 pm, Hasan Kacmaz wrote: G'day I've just purchased a mac IIci (I always wanted to but couldn't afford it several years ago!) The problem is finding the right monitor for it. I've got a HP-71 PC monitor and two macintosh-PC monitor adapters. One of them is a viewsonic Mac adapter that has a : Screen Range - Fixed Resolution - Switch Setting set up on it, the other has what seems like a phone dial knob with similar settings. Would any of them work to get the IIci working on my HP71? I've made several attempts at various settings but it didn't work You need a certain type of adapter for Mac II machines and some older NuBus video cards that has a larger bank of switches. The Mac II s use 'Sync-on-Green' signals. In order to use a Mac II on a VGA monitor you have to redirect the Sync to one of the Sync channels. Thus you need amore complex adapter, and have to spend a bit of time putzing about with the the dip switches. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Changing Hard Disc Icon (Was: no subject )
On May 24, 2004, at 11:18 pm, Daniel Kendell wrote: Not sure if it works in 7.5 but I believe it is just a case of getting the icon that you want and copying it, Find file with icon that you want, Get info, Click on icon in Info box Copy (Cmd + C) Get info on hard disc Click on icon in info box Paste (Cmd + V) I know pretty much that that will work in OS 8+ but dunno about lower than that, give it a go. Works in System 7 too. I remember doing it when System 7 was 'new' :-) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Quadra 660AV question...
On May 23, 2004, at 05:45 pm, Dana Sibera wrote: Can anyone tell me if this is normal on a machine with a dead battery? Not on all macs, but certainly on the 660av I have with the same problem. Pop a new battery in and all should work well :). (6100s and Q605/LC475s also act the same way, among others) I believe he Q610 does it as well. I have had a 660av that did that and now have a 6100 PowerMac that does just the same. I believe all those models mentioned are based on the same architecture. Crazy piece of design, but hey ;) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: New Mac IIci User!
On May 13, 2004, at 05:24 am, Jeff Walther wrote: The best NuBus video card made was the Radius Thunder IV GX line. I'm lucky enough to have a Thunder IV GX 1360 in my IIci/040/40. I occasionally use Photoshop 4 on it using the DSP acceleration and it's pretty swift on heavy CPU intensive stuff, like gaussian blurs, redraws etc. I've thrown about 2048x1536 images quite successfully before now. Not bad for a little 68k Mac :). Truly a stunning card, and a very good toaster (gets REALLY hot). -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: OT: Olde PC internet
On May 8, 2004, at 07:32 pm, Darren wrote: http://users.pandora.be/mydotcom/library/network/wfwdos.htm I guess the real one included a tpc stack? Probably not actually. IIRC Windows for Workgroups did Windows Networking via NetBEUI (bloody horrid protocol) or IPX/SPX. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi questions
On May 7, 2004, at 06:47 am, Gregg Eshelman wrote: http://www.micromac.com/ had SIMM stackers for the IIfx, but like all their stuff, hideously expensive. One of their most laugh generating items was an add on expansion case for the pizzabox LC series. What was even more laugh-generating was I could have made it for about £100 :) The only one it would have even bugun to make sense for (especially at the late date it was introduced) was the LCIII/III+. It was sort of a similar idea to what PC Enterprises and other companies made to expand the PCjr, except MicroMac didn't get around to theirs until well after the LC pizzaboxen were out of production. I could just imagine someone spending $800 on one for an original LC or LC II. The phrase polishing a turd comes to mind. ;) Not that an LC or LCII qualifies in the turd category, they're just, well... not something to throw $800 at! The LC was a good Low Cost Mac in it's day, and they last an last as a lesson in computer robustness, but the LCII, IMHO, was a sad effort. I haven't found a single LCII that hasn't died of Caps of Death in the sound area yet, and I've been through 3 or 4 now. Still, the cases make great MiniITX project boxes and hackboxes I have one with a Powerbook 5300 board in it ATM, I'm just figuring out how to mount the drives and battery/power module. Fun http://homepage.mac.com/quadrajet/elsieexplodes.mpg Those who think that LCs aren't much use might find this amusing, I know the guy and he has about 60 LC Macs he can't shift, so he takes out his frustration on them. Suppose it beats going out an doing it on real people! -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi questions
On May 6, 2004, at 04:02 pm, Clark Martin wrote: For one thing I've only ever used 6.0.8 on a Plus, and for another I wasn't referring to what it shipped with, I was referring to how neatly System 6 and the Mac Plus work together. They just feel like one and the same running together, I dunno if earlier OSs fell like that... You said it's Wait for it... like emphasis on *like* and its modification of *it is* to result in 'appears like' :o) the two were made for each other I didn't say they *were* made for each other did I? There ya go, that's where I think your not entirely on my wave Mr. Martin :o) The Mac Plus had been around for sometime prior, about three years. Never the less, the Plus was still a mainstream machine when System 6 was about. Are you telling me now my iMac G4 wasn't made to run Panther because it was released 18 months (or was it 2 years?) before OS X 10.3? I dunna think so sir. De fact is that if you have your senses in tact you don't just design your OS to be made for the computers it is released with, you design it to appeal to, and work well on a certain back-catalogue of machines so it attracts software upgrades as well as new unit purchases. Still enough splitting hairs eh... :-D -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi questions
On May 7, 2004, at 07:48 am, Mark Benson wrote: ...I know the guy and he has about 60 LC Macs he can't shift, so he takes out his frustration on them. Suppose it beats going out an doing it on real people! In actual fact he's trying to find somewhere to donate them to, he only blow one up every so often ;) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Rocket33 and Performa 600
I have a Performa 600 with a Radius rocket 33MHz card. The Rocket has 20MB and so does the P600. If I used the Rocket as the main accelerator will it combine both RAM pools and use all 40MB? -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi questions
On May 5, 2004, at 10:42 pm, Clark Martin wrote: At 6:40 PM +0100 5/5/04, Mark Benson wrote: I'll admit there is something mystically wonderful about a Plus with 4MB RAM running System 6. It's like the two were made for each other. I suppose they were in a way, but still, the same close connection between Mac and OS was lost from System 7 onwards IMHO. The only thing that even remotely approaches the 'two peas from the same pod' feeling is an iMac G4 running OS X, but it's still not quite the same... Not even close, the Mac Plus originally shipped with OS 3.0 IIRC. OS 6 was much later. The IIsi shipped with OS 6.0.7. Did I say anything about what it shipped with in there? Huh? For one thing I've only ever used 6.0.8 on a Plus, and for another I wasn't referring to what it shipped with, I was referring to how neatly System 6 and the Mac Plus work together. They just feel like one and the same running together, I dunno if earlier OSs fell like that... IMHO 7.1 is better on Mac II machines as they mostly (apart from the original Mac II) have the power to run it, and also do better multitasking (which is kludged in System 6) and their ability to display higher resolution screens means 7.1 makes more sense. The only Compact Macs I'd run System 7 on are the SE/30 and the Colour Classics. The rest are not quite gutsy enough. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi questions
On May 4, 2004, at 05:50 pm, J.S. Garrison wrote: Be THAT as it may, I can't get a 386/40 to email. *cough* Linux. The RAM is sparse in the Plus but the machine and it's GUI tend to show a simple superiority for that era that earned my respect through the ages. I'll admit there is something mystically wonderful about a Plus with 4MB RAM running System 6. It's like the two were made for each other. I suppose they were in a way, but still, the same close connection between Mac and OS was lost from System 7 onwards IMHO. The only thing that even remotely approaches the 'two peas from the same pod' feeling is an iMac G4 running OS X, but it's still not quite the same... -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: IIsi questions
On May 5, 2004, at 07:32 pm, J.S. Garrison wrote: You mean GUI or Command-Line? I have a RedHat 5.1 I should give it a go. As long as it's the i386 distro, and you have a card supported by XFree86 you sould be able to muster a GUI, probably KDE if it's Red Hat. Meanwhile, I'll still delight in emailing with a machine that uses only two floppies in two drives, internal and external, along with an external modem. It could maybe be done on a Linux box from the command line off one disk using a mini-kernel and only the modules required for ppp and e-mail and tcp/ip... maybe... I dunno. There's something that's socounter-technology about it as to nearly be too cool for words. I use an Amiga 1200 with PCI Voodoo3/2000 gfx card plugged into it. That's almost as good on the counter-technology stakes :) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Change of List Nanny
Just to inform you i have relieved Marten van de Kraats as the list nanny. Any queries/reports/suggestions/complaints etc. should be directed to me in future Remember folks, a friendly list is a happy list. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Macintosh Plus 1 Meg
On Apr 30, 2004, at 12:33 pm, Robert J. Stevens wrote: Thanks KEN; I removed the Battery Screw then put the two screws for the Bottom have where it was sticking PART way then tapped. Iit move bout a 1/4 inch. Then I found a longer screw bout the same Dimension and put it in part way then Tapped and VOILA the case separated nicely THANKS Now all I have to do is carefully remove the screws holdin the Tube and boards to the front and transfer to the good one. I've done it with an SE/30 before now - it's not a hard job to do. Is it possible to add a hard drive to the PLUS. I have a 170 Meg apple SCSI Drive plus others There are no mounts for a hard disk and no internal SCSI cable facility. I use a Mac Plus era external case with a 160MB drive in. Works a treat. -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Daystar Turbo 040/40 - overclocked?
I have a turbo040 card in my Performa 600 that I am trying to build into a Super 68k Nubus machine. It registers in every info tool I've tried in Mac OS as 40MHz, even in the QuadControl 2.2 panel. The CPU is clearly a XC68040HRC33M however - a 33MHz chip. The Oscillator can is 20MHz and I have read up that 20MHz cans on these cards make them run at 40MHz. I highly doubt the oscillator has been changed as the soldering is far too neat and there are no marks that indicate it's ever been removed. Was Daystar overclocking these chips at the factory? -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Daystar Turbo 040/40 - overclocked?
On Apr 30, 2004, at 05:09 pm, J.S. Garrison wrote: on 4/30/04 6:53 AM, Mark Benson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a turbo040 card in my Performa 600 that I am trying to build into a Super 68k Nubus machine. It registers in every info tool I've tried in Mac OS as 40MHz, even in the QuadControl 2.2 panel. The CPU is clearly a XC68040HRC33M however - a 33MHz chip. The Oscillator can is 20MHz and I have read up that 20MHz cans on these cards make them run at 40MHz. I highly doubt the oscillator has been changed as the soldering is far too neat and there are no marks that indicate it's ever been removed. Was Daystar overclocking these chips at the factory? Probably NOT. In keeping with Mark Schrier's overclocking habits, I'm guessing someone resoldered a faster can into it. Looking at John's post and looking again at my Turbo040 I really can't see it having been re-soldered. There are a lot of SMT components around it that have not been so much as even disturbed. There are no burn marks or signs of heat. If it was a non-factory job they made one hell of a tidy job of it :) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Change of List Nanny
On Apr 30, 2004, at 07:11 pm, Darren wrote: Mark Benson wrote: Just to inform you i have relieved Marten van de Kraats as the list nanny. Any queries/reports/suggestions/complaints etc. should be directed to me in future Remember folks, a friendly list is a happy list. Good to have you back, I trust Marten is still with us, he's done a excellent job. Marten says he's going away for a week or so on holiday and i offered to deputize then he said it'd probably be better for him to hand over permanently so i took up the reigns. I hope he does stick around - his contributions are invaluable to Vintage Mac users. I'm pretty sure he just wants a break from reading everything on here and keeping tabs on us all :-) -- Mark Benson AIM - SilValleyPirate MSN - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit FlatPackMacs online: http://fpm.68kmac.com Visit my Homepage: http://homepage.mac.com/markbenson Never send a human to do a machine's job. -The Matrix -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
