Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Axil Axil]

When it comes to entanglement. distance from the origin of the entanglement
is not cogent. The entangled particles can be on opposite side of the
universe and still be connected.

The strange thing about Holmlid's experiments is that Holmlid produces
billions of high energy particles that all should produce gamma radiation
when they hit something. But Holmlid never thinks to ask himself how his is
not fried to a crisp with gamma radiation.

I guess if an idea doesn't fit into your theory, you ignore it.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Axil Axil
>
> Proposition: "However if there is muon decay at all - they should be
> seeing a signal at 511 keV."
>
> Ø   Detection of radiation is not applicable to the LENR sensing
> application because LENR thermalize any radiation emitting in a wide zone
> around the LENR reaction. If this were not so, Holmlid and Rossi would be
> dead now.
>
> Not necessarily dead but maybe sick in one case. Because the muon lives a
> relatively long time, with a half-life of 2.2 microseconds, and is weakly
> interacting, muons will typically spread out in a sphere far removed from
> the reactor – a zone of washed out radiation which is in fact hundreds of
> meter in diameter, with decays interspersed in that sphere so as to be weak
> in at any one location.
>
> This might be more of a problem for Rossi - at what he claims is a
> megawatt of heat - than for Holmlid at subwatt, but possibly the radiation 
> toxicity
> to Rossi can partly explain the bizarre behavior.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

From: Axil Axil  
Proposition: "However if there is muon decay at all - they should be seeing a 
signal at 511 keV."

*   Detection of radiation is not applicable to the LENR sensing 
application because LENR thermalize any radiation emitting in a wide zone 
around the LENR reaction. If this were not so, Holmlid and Rossi would be dead 
now.

Not necessarily dead but maybe sick in one case. Because the muon lives a 
relatively long time, with a half-life of 2.2 microseconds, and is weakly 
interacting, muons will typically spread out in a sphere far removed from the 
reactor – a zone of washed out radiation which is in fact hundreds of meter in 
diameter, with decays interspersed in that sphere so as to be weak in at any 
one location.

This might be more of a problem for Rossi - at what he claims is a megawatt of 
heat - than for Holmlid at subwatt, but possibly the radiation toxicity to 
Rossi can partly explain the bizarre behavior.

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Axil Axil]

Proposition: "However if there is muon decay at all - they should be seeing
a signal at 511 keV."

Detection of radiation is not applicable to the LENR sensing application
because LENR thermalize any radiation emitting in a wide zone around the
LENR reaction. If this were not so, Holmlid and Rossi would be dead now.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Axil - That is an interesting point and it is worth following up on -
> since muon decay is so energetic that even a tiny anisotropy could amount
> to the small differential on the null side. However if there is muon decay
> at all - they should be seeing a signal at 511 keV.
>
>
>
> It would be easy to confirm and intensify - since the axial magnetic field
> is small from the heater windings and could be greatly boosted by placement
> of permanent magnets (if positioned in such a way that they did not
> overheat)
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil
>
>
>
> @Jones
>
>
>
> This possible heat production by the dummy is a interesting and not well
> appreciated complication of Muon production.
>
>
>
> If muons are produced by the active reactor, they could be producing heat
> in the dummy reactor.
>
>
>
> The heater could be producing a axial magnetic field the pushes most of
> the muons into the dummy reactor.
>
>
>
> This is how I beleive that the mouse/cat configuration works for Rossi.
>
>
>
> The dummy might well require complete isolation from the active reactor to
> see a valid delta temperature difference.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower
> than expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side
> being slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the
> null side could be active as well in a lower temperature range.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in
> trace amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality
> is playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under
> different parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or
> stated another way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides
> functions as the catalyst for SPP formation.
>
>
>
> This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous
> radiation, as seems to be the case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active)
> thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The
> control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The
> change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the
> temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much
> better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188
>
> Craig
>
> On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some
> of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.
>
>
>
> The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is
> not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between
> the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved
> design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer
> problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.
>
> Craig
>
> Eric Walker wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
> removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
> within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
> concluding anything.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:
>
> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
> until I gave up.
>
>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

Axil - That is an interesting point and it is worth following up on - since 
muon decay is so energetic that even a tiny anisotropy could amount to the 
small differential on the null side. However if there is muon decay at all - 
they should be seeing a signal at 511 keV.

 

It would be easy to confirm and intensify - since the axial magnetic field is 
small from the heater windings and could be greatly boosted by placement of 
permanent magnets (if positioned in such a way that they did not overheat) 

 

From: Axil Axil 

 

@Jones

 

This possible heat production by the dummy is a interesting and not well 
appreciated complication of Muon production.

 

If muons are produced by the active reactor, they could be producing heat in 
the dummy reactor.

 

The heater could be producing a axial magnetic field the pushes most of the 
muons into the dummy reactor.

 

This is how I beleive that the mouse/cat configuration works for Rossi.

 

The dummy might well require complete isolation from the active reactor to see 
a valid delta temperature difference.

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower than 
expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side being 
slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the null side 
could be active as well in a lower temperature range.

 

Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in trace 
amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality is 
playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under different 
parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or stated another 
way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides functions as the catalyst 
for SPP formation. 

 

This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous radiation, as 
seems to be the case.

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active) 
thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The control 
had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The change-over 
occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the temperature 
went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much better. This 
occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M 
 
=youtu.be=13188

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:

This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some of 
the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.  

 

The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is not a 
great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between the two 
sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved design. Actually 
the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer problem. 

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is 
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to 
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before 
concluding anything. 

 

Eric

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278




On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

 

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta T 
of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I gave 
up.

 

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the video, 
I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly lower than 
the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta 
between different numbers than these?

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Axil Axil]

@Jones

This possible heat production by the dummy is a interesting and not well
appreciated complication of Muon production.

If muons are produced by the active reactor, they could be producing heat
in the dummy reactor.

The heater could be producing a axial magnetic field the pushes most of the
muons into the dummy reactor.

This is how I beleive that the mouse/cat configuration works for Rossi.

The dummy might well require complete isolation from the active reactor to
see a valid delta temperature difference.



On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower
> than expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side
> being slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the
> null side could be active as well in a lower temperature range.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in
> trace amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality
> is playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under
> different parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or
> stated another way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides
> functions as the catalyst for SPP formation.
>
>
>
> This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous
> radiation, as seems to be the case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active)
> thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The
> control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The
> change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the
> temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much
> better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188
>
> Craig
>
> On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some
> of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.
>
>
>
> The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is
> not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between
> the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved
> design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer
> problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.
>
> Craig
>
> Eric Walker wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
> removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
> within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
> concluding anything.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:
>
> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
> until I gave up.
>
>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Bob Higgins]

Another possibility is the conduction of alumina.  Alan has measured the
electrical conductivity of alumina to increase rapidly above 900C.  The
heater coils are wound directly on the mullite reactor tube and they are
covered with thick alumina tubes.  When the outer cover alumina tube is
over 900C, it can develop a conductivity to where the outer alumina touches
the heater coils.  Then this couples a small AC current directly to the
thermocouple.  The resistance through the alumina can be in the 20k-100k
range.  When the AC heater voltage is coupled to the TC, it adds a common
mode signal to the TC input at the DAQ and causes a large noise, and can
cause offset.  The AC voltage wrt DAQ ground can be higher for one side of
the series coil-pair than the other.

In the latest measurements, noise is being seen in the active side more
than the null side (but seen in both).  Could the offset be a similar ratio
as the noise? The noise seems to be varying faster than the thermal time
constant of the system, suggesting it is electrical noise.

The additional danger is that when it cools, the conductivity of the
alumina will go away and any offset caused by AC common mode at the DAQ
could disappear, making it look as though the TC was "OK".

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower
> than expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side
> being slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the
> null side could be active as well in a lower temperature range.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in
> trace amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality
> is playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under
> different parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or
> stated another way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides
> functions as the catalyst for SPP formation.
>
>
>
> This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous
> radiation, as seems to be the case.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active)
> thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The
> control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The
> change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the
> temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much
> better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188
>
> Craig
>
> On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
>
> This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some
> of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.
>
>
>
> The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is
> not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between
> the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved
> design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer
> problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Haynie
>
>
>
> The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.
>
> Craig
>
> Eric Walker wrote:
>
> Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
> removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
> within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
> concluding anything.
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:
>
> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
>
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
> until I gave up.
>
>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

Another strange possibility to consider – with which to account for lower than 
expected performance on the active side, and in fact the null side being 
slightly warmer for a unexpected proportion of the time is this: the null side 
could be active as well in a lower temperature range.

 

Otherwise, both sides should be almost identical. If hydrogen, even in trace 
amounts, collects on the so-called null side, and if the SPP modality is 
playing a role in excess heat, then both sides can be gainful under different 
parameters - since a metal catalyst per se is not needed – or stated another 
way, the dielectric/gas interface on the null sides functions as the catalyst 
for SPP formation. 

 

This possibility becomes far more relevant if there was anomalous radiation, as 
seems to be the case.

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active) 
thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The control 
had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The change-over 
occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where the temperature 
went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been much better. This 
occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M 
 
=youtu.be=13188

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:

This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some of 
the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.  

 

The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is not a 
great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between the two 
sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved design. Actually 
the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer problem. 

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is 
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to 
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before 
concluding anything. 

 

Eric

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278





On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

 

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta T 
of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I gave 
up.

 

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the video, 
I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly lower than 
the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta 
between different numbers than these?

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

Here is a video, queued to the time shortly after the green (active) 
thermocouple became hotter than the purple (control) thermocouple. The 
control had been running a couple of degrees hotter, previously. The 
change-over occurred shortly after raising the power to the point where 
the temperature went above 1020c. The timing couldn't really have been 
much better. This occurred at 2016-04-16 02:00 UTC.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUyWnN--u7M=youtu.be=13188

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote:


This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since 
some of the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.


The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic 
is not a great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway 
between the two sides, which could possibly have been made less in an 
improved design. Actually the heater wire itself could be part of the 
heat transfer problem.


*From:*Craig Haynie

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the
fuel is removed, the active and null outside temperatures return
to one another to within experimental uncertainty.  This will be
critical to show before concluding anything.

Eric

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie
> wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278


On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites > wrote:

I have to say. This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C
they had a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled
cell that lasted for hours, until I gave up.

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped
through the video, I always saw the "Outside heater active"
(the green line) slightly lower than the "Outside heater null"
(purple line). Perhaps you're referring to a delta between
different numbers than these?

Eric

RE: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Jones Beene]

This temperature differential is more meaningful than it seems since some of 
the excess heat on the active side goes to heat the null side.  

 

The basic concept of comparative calorimetry is good, and this ceramic is not a 
great conductor of heat, but there is a conductive pathway between the two 
sides, which could possibly have been made less in an improved design. Actually 
the heater wire itself could be part of the heat transfer problem. 

 

From: Craig Haynie 

 

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

Eric Walker wrote:

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is 
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to 
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before 
concluding anything. 

 

Eric

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278




On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

 

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta T 
of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I gave 
up.

 

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the video, 
I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly lower than 
the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta 
between different numbers than these?

 

Eric

 

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

The optical imager is typically reading between an 18c and 20c difference.

Craig

On 04/16/2016 11:03 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel 
is removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one 
another to within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to 
show before concluding anything.


Eric


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
> wrote:


60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278


On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites > wrote:

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C
they had a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell
that lasted for hours, until I gave up.


At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped
through the video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the
green line) slightly lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple
line).  Perhaps you're referring to a delta between different
numbers than these?

Eric

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Eric Walker]

Interesting.  I hope a post-run calibration shows that when the fuel is
removed, the active and null outside temperatures return to one another to
within experimental uncertainty.  This will be critical to show before
concluding anything.

Eric



On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Craig Haynie 
wrote:

> 60c on the latest...
>
> https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278
>
>
> On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:
>
> I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a
>> delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours,
>> until I gave up.
>>
>
> At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
> video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
> lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
> referring to a delta between different numbers than these?
>
> Eric
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

60c on the latest...

https://youtu.be/VLK19pllG9g?t=6278


On 04/16/2016 10:53 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites > wrote:


I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they
had a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that
lasted for hours, until I gave up.


At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through 
the video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) 
slightly lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps 
you're referring to a delta between different numbers than these?


Eric

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:01 AM, CB Sites  wrote:

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta
> T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I
> gave up.
>

At what time in the video did you see this?  When I skipped through the
video, I always saw the "Outside heater active" (the green line) slightly
lower than the "Outside heater null" (purple line).  Perhaps you're
referring to a delta between different numbers than these?

Eric

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

How does one calculate the margin of error  for the temperature?

When I look at the calibration data, I can calculate the standard 
deviation between the temperatures for the entire calibration run at 
1.5%. If I compare the difference in the thermocouples during the actual 
run, then 50c difference is between 3 and 4 standard deviations from the 
calibration, and 60c, (which occured for a few minutes), is over 4 
standard deviations from the calibration.


Is this the correct way to calculate error?

Craig

On 04/16/2016 09:15 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:

Now 60c

On 04/16/2016 07:19 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:

Now 50c.



On 04/16/2016 03:01 AM, CB Sites wrote:
I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had 
a delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for 
hours, until I gave up.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che > wrote:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

Now 60c

On 04/16/2016 07:19 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:

Now 50c.



On 04/16/2016 03:01 AM, CB Sites wrote:
I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating. At 1000+C they had a 
delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for 
hours, until I gave up.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che > wrote:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Craig Haynie]

Now 50c.



On 04/16/2016 03:01 AM, CB Sites wrote:
I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a 
delta T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for 
hours, until I gave up.




On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che > wrote:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np

Re: [Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[CB Sites]

I have to say.  This one is pretty fascinating.  At 1000+C they had a delta
T of 30C between a fueled and unfueled cell that lasted for hours, until I
gave up.



On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Che  wrote:

>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np
>

[Vo]:LIVE ON YOUTUBE: Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project: *GlowStick* 5.3 - Ready to power climb

[Che]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfAJv-jhCY8=em-lbcastemail-np