Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

2019-02-16 Thread Lucio De Re
Hell, I wish I could figure out what I want! I need to use Thunderbird as my mailer and that keeps reminding me how liberating it was some long time back when I was able to move from Mutt to Acme/Mail: the latter is so much less of a burden across so many aspects. But today I'd have to change job

Re: [9fans] UI design | enhancements.

2019-04-14 Thread Lucio De Re
The thing is, a UI is a combination of far too many personal tastes and habits and a GUI multi-dimensionally more so. It's like a marble slab that needs a Michelangelo to turn it into an image. We've had one Michelangelo and a Rodin and only a few Greek sculptors in the past, what, three thousand

Re: [9fans] UI design | enhancements.

2019-04-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/16/19, Marshall Conover wrote: > [ ... ] > As an aside, Lucio, I'd second Ethan in that it's probably worth taking a > look; I'd be surprised if there was more actual code to change than there > was just ramp-up time to understand what you need to change, and a > one-or-two hour excursion

Re: [9fans] UI design | enhancements.

2019-04-16 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/17/19, Michael Misch wrote: > i tried to solve that problem on Linux, with a wm that tiled set-sized > windows in a floating grid, but it was always very, very hacky. (For the > curious, github.com/halfwit/hwwm) > A name (halfwit) worthy of the long-forgotten fortune database! Lucio.

Re: [9fans] opc (xlsx2txt) bugfix

2019-05-30 Thread Lucio De Re
Thank you, Steve. Lucio. On 5/30/19, Steve Simon wrote: > If anyone is interested I fixed a small bug in the xlsx parser that > generated silly wide columns. > > the opc package (xlsx2txt and docx2txt) avaialble in > http://www.quintile.net/doorstep/opc.tbz > > -Steve &g

Re: [9fans] tls "i/o on hungup channel"

2019-06-20 Thread Lucio De Re
I see that error on the workstation side when the switch between the server and my workstation falls over (power glitches do that). It gets reported, understandably, when I try to run a task, so yes, I think in your case your side is trying to use a connection that is no longer active. Netstat

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-09 Thread Lucio De Re
move on. Let's just say there shouldn't be any incentive to push something everyone can learn from to fail... On 5/8/19, Ethan Gardener wrote: > On Tue, May 7, 2019, at 5:17 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: >> Keep in mind where Minix-3 >> lurks, before you discount it... > > I didn't

Re: [9fans] user interface questions

2019-04-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/26/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > It's here now: https://bellard.org/TinyGL/ > > khm > Let me add this correction to that document, this is where my curiosity found VReng: http://www.vreng.enst.fr/ Thank you, Kurt. Lucio. > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/5/19, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > > [ ... ] > > you can try to add the etherelnk3 line to the pc64 config and > rebuild. > Done that, partially, jury is still out. But now I have a test bench to try things out a little more reliably. Watch this space, I need a bit of time... > if you

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-07 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/7/19, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > > recently resurrected sshnet(4). yes, it supports listening connections > now. > Thanks, Cinap, nice to hear all that. Did I mention that the rootdir fix worked like a charm? And I managed to migrate from 9ants64 to 9ants(32) without losing my mind.

Re: [9fans] Understanding /dev/draw

2019-04-18 Thread Lucio De Re
anyone have experience with > this area or could point me to information that might help clarify it? > > My next step will probably be to figure out how libmemdraw does all of this > on top of a frame buffer. > > Thanks, > Chris > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-03 Thread Lucio De Re
ources? I understand that developers for Plan 9 are few and far between, but there must be low-hanging fruit out there, or am I also missing some other really important factor? On 5/3/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > actually i take that back, no thanks to skip, i meant dan! > >

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-03 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/3/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i think you mean the devdraw lempel-ziv compressed images. font images > are just images really (on the memlayer below devdraw), and i also > tried to understand the compression code (the first i ever looked at), > but couldn't. > they did recommend to

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-04 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/4/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > if they bother to believe in those gods they can also believe in our gods. > There's a problem with believing in any gods: once you do, you're trapped. It took me fifty years, most of them as an atheist, to feel certain that there is no afterlife. I

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-05 Thread Lucio De Re
a start. > > the boot process is nothing special. we have a bootloader that loads > the kernel. the loader uses BIOS/EFI calls to get the kernel from the > boot media so that it does not need drivers. once the kernel > is taking over, it needs a driver. > > -- > cinap > &g

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/5/19, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > > you can try to add the etherelnk3 line to the pc64 config and > rebuild. > I tried that, but I suspect there is more to it: no errors are reported on compiling or booting, but the device is still not identified. Well, that's not entirely true. I

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-05 Thread Lucio De Re
Well, I installed all of 9ants (thanks, microftiv), it proved irresistible, but the Atheros 2414 ethernet adapter isn't supported and, mysteriously, a 3com 509B isn't detected by the bootstrap process. It is seen as a PCI device at run time... And the main goal, really, was TLS/SSH, with quick

Re: [9fans] user interface questions

2019-05-05 Thread Lucio De Re
;> > >> Let me add this correction to that document, this is where my >> curiosity found VReng: >> >> http://www.vreng.enst.fr/ >> >> Thank you, Kurt. >> >> Lucio. >> > >> >> >> >> If I remember correctly, there

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-05 Thread Lucio De Re
t; we missed pulling in? > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-05 Thread Lucio De Re
Oh! A pact with Tux is far better for instant gratification ;-). On 5/5/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > that's not my problem lucio. my deal with glenda has been made and i > am promised great low latency 9p fileservers in my afternamespaces. > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet

Re: [9fans] Someone made a Wayland compositor based on Rio, Wio

2019-05-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 5/5/19, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > type !rc at the bootargs prompt to get a shell, then run: > > grep '^02' '#$/pci/'*ctl > > which prints the pci information for all network cards. that > should get us closer to why the probing code fails. > I've been using a handful of those adapters

Re: [9fans] Regarding GUID partitioning

2019-04-21 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/21/19, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > its documented in prep(8) > Thanks to you both, Kurt and specially Cinap. As I said, accessing 9front persistently remains on my wish list (no encouragement needed, I just need to find the time to invest in some research). It is good news that GPT

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-21 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/21/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > there's a whole operating system to play with, and all you are busy > with is complaining that 9front doesn't have a grub theme. > Now, having vented my spleen and deleted it (twice, now), let me just say: Really?! Lucio.

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

2019-04-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/21/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i like that 9front has no silly menu > And that says it all. De gustibus... To me, that seems a lot like farting against thunder, but I have yet to find a timeout/countdown that I can latch onto. But less than three seconds means that any distraction

[9fans] Regarding GUID partitioning

2019-04-20 Thread Lucio De Re
Occasionally something restores my faith in sanity: NetBSD has a simple command line interface for partitioning drives according to the new canon: GUID. Now, I've been meaning to install a live(ly) version of 9front and serve it from my 9legacy server and a few details have interfered with my

Re: [9fans] Git client

2019-04-22 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/22/19, Jens Staal wrote: > > speaking of backporting ape stuff : has anyone looked into Harvey's "apex" > [1] for 9{atom,front,legacy}? > 9^(atom front legacy) I did not note anything that would put apex above any of those you mention, do you have something in mind other than providing a

Re: [9fans] UI design | enhancements.

2019-04-15 Thread Lucio De Re
this is ugly: > > http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/rio/img/20190415.png > > sl > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 58 653 1433 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 FAX: +27 58 653 1435

Re: [9fans] MailRoute: Past Due Invoice for 9fans.net

2019-08-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/9/19, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Thank you for everything that goes into 9fans' upkeep. > Let me add my own gratitude to Skip's. Not just to Russ, who clearly does all the weight-lifting here, but everyone else that is keeping 9fans and thus everything-9 alive. Honestly, I can't imagine what

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on radpberry pi zero ?

2019-08-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/20/19, raingloom wrote: >> Board with K210 from Kendryte: For the curious (and I'm going to bookmark this so I can show my colleagues what happens when too much data is shipped to a browser, mindlessly), there are what look like full-sized images reduced to thumbnails that were still

Re: [9fans] printing from Plan 9

2019-09-15 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/15/19, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > If you really need an inkjet (e.g. for colour), I would still > recommend finding something that natively supports Postscript. If I may add my own rage to this: am I the only person who objects to a growing collection of empty inkjet (and laserjet)

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 C compiler for Xtensa CPUs

2019-08-07 Thread Lucio De Re
On 8/7/19, Charles Forsyth wrote: > I've not previously seen an architecture where so many cache and TLB > control instructions were in the primary space and took up so much of it. > I guess the remainder is RISC :-). Lucio.

Re: [9fans] Trying to make 9front work on QWERTZ

2019-07-26 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/25/19, Jens K. Loewe wrote: > I tried using kbmap (which is not that easy without < and > on the > keyboard), but the key still has no function for me. Weird, honestly. :-/ > Legacy Plan 9, with /dev/kbmap device driver, uses F11 and F12 to trigger monitoring keystrokes. Maybe that will

Re: [9fans] building Alef language

2019-09-20 Thread Lucio De Re
I have a version for legacy Plan 9, lightly tested, that I have not looked at in ages. Happy to haul it out, but I see little value in it. Go may have idiosyncrasies, but it is much more suited to modern architectures. That said, had Go not surfaced, I would have much preferred Alef to many other

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Lucio De Re
so are many 9front supporter. But that is just not enough. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf27e

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/19, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> and nobody is building a >> release with an "OFFICIAL" stamp on it > > What exactly would you want such a stamp to mean? > > If I may hi-jack the question, I think one needs a starting point that everyone can use as reference. What we have

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/19, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Unrelatedly, would there be interest in adding the `$split{cmd} syntax > from 9atom to 9legacy? I think it's currently the only reason that > git9 doesn't work out of the box there, and it's very nice syntax. > I'm quite obsessed with converging the

[9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-11 Thread Lucio De Re
I'd like suggestions for some hardware on which to run Plan 9, almost certainly expandable SSD capacity will be a must (Venti service). Price and quality will be the biggest factors, as always. Ideally, storage is where the value will reside, the actual processor could be expendable. ARM would

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
likely to do it today? PPS: I think it was Hiro that contrary to expectations sang the praise of Richard's Raspberry PI developments and opened one more interesting door for me. It is precisely these pearls (both Hiro's and Richard's) that keep me a perhaps undeserving 9fan. On 11/25/19, Lucio De

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/24/19, Ori Bernstein wrote: > On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:34:32 +0200, Lucio De Re > wrote: > >> We just got a mouthful from sl and you about the lack of explanation >> for the state of the various plan 9 "distributions". It all smacks of >> expecting Da

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/24/19, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > The other repos on that site are either user repos run by random people > who asked me for access, or else various code I've collected around the > internet and did not want to lose. Some of those repos came from Uriel > and I never have figured out what they

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/23/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i'm not sure you got sl's philosophy here. of course he will deny i > do, but here's my interpretation anyway: the public generally seems to > frown upon technology. people don't even want products any more. all > they need is a flashy name. a future

Re: [9fans] go1.13.1 build fails

2019-10-07 Thread Lucio De Re
le on: > > http://9legacy.org/download.html > > There might be issues when bootstrapping from Go 1.4. > Also, plan9/arm support started with Go 1.7. > > -- > David du Colombier > > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

2019-10-11 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/11/19, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > [ ... ] > there's also a plaintext version of this, adding 5 lines to every > email. all this seems quite redundent if you ask me. > I can live with this... Many thanks, Russ. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Running venti from plan9port

2019-12-20 Thread Lucio De Re
finition. It's a poor > replacement for a proper AoE shelf, but it has stable since I migrated > my data in 2015. YMMV. > > http://9p.io/sources/contrib/stallion/venti/ > > Cheers, > Steve > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Lucio De Re
>> non-technical reasons. > > What are some of the technical reasons? -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fa

Re: [9fans] factotum vs. SASL+TLS+applications

2020-01-23 Thread Lucio De Re
And work under p9p. Me too! Plug in a proper X-based WM and I can get some performance out of my rather dated equipment again. Lucio. On 1/24/20, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > The following is all hypothetical. I'm curious about how people > think auth(2)/factotum(4) could be adapted to support

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-02 Thread Lucio De Re
I made some changes to git9/proto.c that seem to handle git/fetch git+ssh://g...@git.ff.co.za:23456/waspa/console.git successfully. What is the procedure to submit such (small) changes for inclusion? (I also needed to add the port recognition code to 9front's /sys/src/cmd/ssh.c to

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/2/20, k...@a-b.xyz wrote: >> git/fetch git+ssh://g...@git.ff.co.za:23456/waspa/console.git > > The port can be specified natively through the dialstring technology: > > git/fetch git+ssh://git@net!git.ff.co.za!23456/waspa/console.git > > It may be useful to add support to git9 for

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-03 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/3/20, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > since plan9 is different we already have host!port, changing one > program to host:port without changing all the others does not seem > consistent to me. > I can't argue with that point, except that the ! notation had escaped me altogether, whereas the

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-02 Thread Lucio De Re
But Unix "scp" has a similar "flaw", except you are compelled to use the -P (note the case inconsistency) option to provide a non-standard port, so the leading slash would then pin the "/path" to "/". I guess I need to brush up on the standards around URLs?

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-03 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/3/20, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > we have to decide every time when we interoperate inferior systems > where to draw the border, how much we want to imitate and how much is > better hidden when it doesn't fit. > in this corner-case thankfully the decision is trivial. > git is full of

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-03 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/3/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Yes. git9 takes URLs. This is why I posted a link to the spec that we > should follow. I will take patches that bring us in compliance with > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/git/git/master/Documentation/urls.txt > I must have missed that the first time,

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-03 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/3/20, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > this was a huge mistake. in plan9 we are lucky not to > be affected by this too much and we can handle these > things without much pain and without touching every > program. > I am not challenging the lucky break Bell Labs got with the use of

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-02-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/3/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > ssh, like most plan 9 programs, supports net!host!port syntax. > It making ssh gratuitously different is a bad idea. > I beg to differ. It is optionally and compatibly different and pretty much something the SSH maintainers clearly also think should NOT

Re: [9fans] notes on fossil, ANTS, and 9front/Bell labs controversies

2020-01-10 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/10/20, mycrof...@sphericalharmony.com wrote: [ ... ] > > - The Present Day, SHA1, community > [ ... ] > [ ...] 2020 seems like a Year of Change and I'm hoping for > positive change in the Plan 9 community. I'm particularly excited for > the reincarnation of a real-life Plan 9

Re: [9fans] Updated contrib packages for go1.13.5

2020-01-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/13/20, Steven Stallion wrote: > All, > > I've added arm and 386 packages for go1.13.5 on 9p.io. I decided to > package the entire GOROOT, so while the archive isn't particularly > large, it will take some time to install due to the number of files > contained within. > Thank you, Steven.

Re: [9fans] Running venti from plan9port

2019-12-22 Thread Lucio De Re
Let me make sure I'm not misrepresenting this: I have an external USB drive configured as a Venti device, it is portable to a (small) number of p9p hosts that have been configured to match its characteristics, I'm not sure if I actually verified that Plan 9 Venti can also access it. I wouldn't

Re: [9fans] Purplechess, hypercubes, ultrafilters and more - ANTS 5.64

2019-12-22 Thread Lucio De Re
Thanks, mycroftiv. No one could dream to add anything to such a kaleidoscopic, nay, psychedelic word minestrone! Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T10d250e42caa892c-Mdf7fc26be9074bc7e4857478 Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] a simple graphical application in Go?

2020-04-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/5/20, Fazlul Shahriar wrote: > There is a PR open with Plan 9 devdraw support to 9fans.net/go/draw: > https://github.com/9fans/go/pull/28 > It at least works with the Go acme port Edwood last I tested. > There are fourteen open PRs and #28 needs #26 first. That would still leave 12 for

Re: [9fans] plan9port fossil

2020-04-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/2/20, Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen wrote: > I am curious about the problems you have with your Linux Mint. I presume this is in response to my own: "Nice stuff, Steven. I found my small Linuxmint workstation not up to the task, the worst symptom being that shutting venti down takes a very long

Re: [9fans] Git and heritage (Was: Software preservation in the post-hg era)

2020-04-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 4/4/20, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > > this breaks for ipv6 addresses. i'd suggest you at least check for ] first > and then look for the colon. example: "[::1]:22". > Well spotted, thank you. I have so far had practically no experience with IPv6, it hasn't quite sunk in. Seems easy

Re: [9fans] Git and heritage (Was: Software preservation in the post-hg era)

2020-03-31 Thread Lucio De Re
On 3/31/20, Sean Hinchee wrote: > [ ... ] > For now, as a stop-gap, I've made a GitHub organization in which I've > consolidated most of what I had indexed from Bitbucket and a few other > places. > > Thanks to people like Ori Bernstein, we have a native git client for > plan9 [3]; without a

Re: [9fans] Software preservation in the post-hg era

2020-03-31 Thread Lucio De Re
On 3/31/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > I think the lede got buried here, and people went of discussing git > clients. > Entirely your fault: that's the thanks you get for doing such a good job. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Software preservation in the post-hg era

2020-05-09 Thread Lucio De Re
Kudos to you, Dave, in spades! Could you please contact me off-list with a very brief summary of the state of shiny for Plan 9 from your advantage point? It deserves a full conference, but that isn't going to happen, is it? Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] plan9port fossil

2020-03-19 Thread Lucio De Re
On 3/18/20, Steven Stallion wrote: [ ...] > > I've had a lot of luck using venti from plan9port with fossil running > natively on my plan9 fileserver. I keep a directory on sources (now > 9p.io) with some notes and example scripts on how to make this work: >

Re: [9fans] git/serve, git/compat

2020-09-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/7/20, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 9/6/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I try not to be too verbose about new features landing in git9, but >> I think these warrant some noise. Both git/compat and git/serve >> have landed in the last few days. >&

Re: [9fans] git/serve, git/compat

2020-09-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 9/6/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Hey, > > I try not to be too verbose about new features landing in git9, but > I think these warrant some noise. Both git/compat and git/serve > have landed in the last few days. > You've been doing great work, Ori, thanks and congratulations. I'm keeping

[9fans] Flakey DNS server

2020-10-06 Thread Lucio De Re
It would take me a long time to get to grips with the Plan 9 DNS server (believe me, I've tried) and somehow my situation is getting more difficult as norms on the Internet are being bent by service provider that care for their profitability much more than for interoperation: I get regular

Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server

2020-10-07 Thread Lucio De Re
*** no longer on topic *** On 10/8/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >> I'm curious as to why you would say that. > > Well, the section of the site that describes > how to best operate a plan 9 dns server seems > to have gone offline. > There's a difference between Wes making a tangential

Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server

2020-10-07 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/8/20, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >> So the big question, before I commit to something I may not be >> competent to fix: what is recommended by those in the know? > > You've written a lot of text here, but none of it describes > what exactly is flaky. I'd recommend describing the flakiness >

Re: [9fans] Sad news.

2020-09-28 Thread Lucio De Re
That is very sad indeed. The 9fans community has lost an irreplaceable member. Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T89f7af873f4109c5-M91dfb4a8cff9c7fefe49546e Delivery options:

Re: [9fans] Re: Flakey DNS server

2020-10-27 Thread Lucio De Re
a virtual city in Switzerland, which is famously neutral (hence >> > Geneva as location for various international organisations, and indeed >> > as a setting for several TV series) >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:23 PM > > <mailto:cigar562hfsp

Re: [9fans] 127.0.0.1 considered harmful

2020-07-13 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/11/20, Ethan Gardener wrote: > # > # because the public demands the name localsource > # > ip=127.0.0.1 sys=localhost dom=localhost > Yes, someone should submit a legacy patch just to correct the comment! Lucio. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink:

Re: [9fans] Re: Jim McKie

2020-06-26 Thread Lucio De Re
илучшими пожеланиями > Жилкин Сергей > With best regards > Zhilkin Sergey -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fan

Re: [9fans] Getting git9 -- moved to github.

2020-06-20 Thread Lucio De Re
I guessed my way around the p9p lib9p and libthread facilities and squeezed some degree of p9p portability into a recent version of Ori's git9. It can be found, warts and all: github.com/lootch/git9 My aim was to operate across platforms on a single version of Git, one with the Plan 9 philosophy

Re: [9fans] Acme fonts

2020-07-22 Thread Lucio De Re
On 7/22/20, Russ Cox wrote: > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:22 PM Anthony Martin wrote: > >> Russ, what did you do to that poor little Acme?! ☺ >> >> Did you take the less daunting route using >> >> - a combined font file with shapes for normal, italic, bold, etc. and >> - a filter to offset runes

Re: [9fans] netsurf or opossum

2021-01-07 Thread Lucio De Re
t; Both have almost same functionality and speed etc. > A page with JS (https://eonet.ne.jp) is almost same as that by JS enabled > netsurf. > > How do you think? > > Kenji > -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Afric

Re: [9fans] git9: self-hosting.

2020-11-26 Thread Lucio De Re
l > > I wrote up how it works here: > > https://orib.dev/githosting.html > > Thanks to everyone for all the testing, patches, > and reports. -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 ---

Re: [9fans] git9: self-hosting.

2020-11-27 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/27/20, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > one way it will help the bonzai tree grow is in that 9front can soon > escape the old python, that constantly weighs on us just bec. we want > to run hg sometimes. > I could not agree more. What I believe is that Git has neither rhyme nor reason, it

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/6/20, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org wrote: > Lucio De Re writes: > >> But do we want a flock of 9front-wielding droids flooding the 9fans >> mailing list? > > Good point. [ ... ] Maybe we should keep Plan 9 a secret. ;) Well, that's one way of spreadi

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-06 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/6/20, Ethan Gardener wrote: > > I don't know the hypothesis, but very much agree different languages > influence how you think and even feel. > You know, my most memorable and influential mentor was Daniel Friedman. I'm not sure I have the spelling right and he's probably in his seventies,

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-05 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/4/20, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > "discipline" is a good keyword. > it's not about the language IMO.\ > [ ... ] I watched Uncle Tom, whoever he may be, dissing practically every language under the sun with very little substance to what he was presenting. Didn't convince me that he

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-07 Thread Lucio De Re
ans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options >> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink >> <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T84b4492f91f2abb6-Mba29a472af61f97b5d3e15ee> >> -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern F

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
> The exact error is "Invalid address length 4 - must be 6 bytes". I tried a > few others including 0.0.0.0 but none of them worked. Not specifying this > argument however doesn't trigger any complaints. > > Perhaps it's time to peruse the man pages for ip! But I have to put

Re: [9fans] Raw ethernet on 9vx

2020-12-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/9/20, remyw...@cs.washington.edu wrote: > > [ ... ] You're brave! > And several details: > 1. I had to hard-code the tap device name "tap5" because `ip tuntap ...` > doesn't return the interface name. > 2. I have no idea what 0.0.0.0 is, or where to pass it in. (tried `ip link > set tap5

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/20, cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org wrote: > cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org writes: > > [ ... ] > It would require a little bit of coding, and a LOT of Tweeting, but if > 9fans now have a Twitter account... creating a 9-demic is within the > realm of possibility. > But do we want a

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-04 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/20, Bakul Shah wrote: > > Finally, I very much doubt he would have liked C! > I had an electrical engineering friend, back at university, who used array subscripts in C because he couldn't get his head around pointers. Like me, his migration was from Pascal to C. I would prefer a

Re: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-12-03 Thread Lucio De Re
sting a link to the manuscript/transcript of the > essay where he discusses this? > > Thanks, > Mart -- Lucio De Re 2 Piet Retief St Kestell (Eastern Free State) 9860 South Africa Ph.: +27 71 471 3694 Cell: +27 83 251 5824 -- 9fans: 9fans Per

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 announcements on twitter

2020-11-12 Thread Lucio De Re
On 11/12/20, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Hi, > > FYI, for those of you who are on twitter, I've set up the twitter handle > @Plan9_OS to push news and announcements to the community. Please > consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics, > please try to include this

Re: [9fans]

2020-10-20 Thread Lucio De Re
On 10/21/20, Steve Simon wrote: > Hi people, > > I have had to renew my certificate for tls and am getting a strange error > from imap4d > when trying to collect email from my iphone. > > tls reports failed: factotum_rsa_open: no key matches proto=rsa > service=tls role=client > > Which

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on Raspberry Pi 400?

2021-01-18 Thread Lucio De Re
You'll be amazed how quickly you get used to not having the Caps Lock key causing you grief, as it then starts doing on every other platform. Except that Ctrl-A (well, Caps-Lock-A) then becomes a bit of a nightmare. And the Insert key as Expand is not my favourite, either. Erik Quanstrom long

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 1/25/21, Charles Forsyth wrote: > I've just accepted an important pull request to it that I missed, until I > looked at it in response to this, so you should do another pull to get > that. > Generally, though it has been reasonably stable for some time. Changes are > often just to cope with

Re: [9fans] authoritative source for u9fs?

2021-01-27 Thread Lucio De Re
No the source code differences are pretty vast as well, although right now I couldn't tell you what the main theme of the changes might be. Lucio. On 1/27/21, Ethan Gardener wrote: > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, at 5:10 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: >> >> PS: The new executable seems noticea

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/24/21, un...@cpan.org wrote: > Quoth Lucio De Re : >> On 6/24/21, Romano wrote: >> > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade >> > anyone. >> > >> [ ... ] >> >> The sentiment implied in the sentence above is a bare

Re: [9fans] p9f mention of 9front

2021-06-23 Thread Lucio De Re
Eish! I really can't resist, can I? On 6/24/21, Romano wrote: > [...] But I'm a nobody, so I'm probably not going to persuade > anyone. > Let me try and keep this short, but it won't be easy. Firstly, this is not intended as an offence, particularly against Romano, it is merely an alert

Re: [9fans] plan9 and touch screens

2021-06-24 Thread Lucio De Re
On 6/24/21, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Inferno can work quite comfortably with a touchscreen and a virtual > "bitsy" keyboard. It's a different user interface from rio, but not > horribly worse. Likely Plan 9 could be adapted to do the same. > And handwriting may have been

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > I noticed the patches from 9front to 9legacy are not well-maintained. I'm > trying to figure out if this would be an appreciated exercise from someone > (me) who doesn't know all that much and would learn from doing it, and if > so, what are priorities for things to

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-09 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/10/21, Eli Cohen wrote: > > I'm not even sure where or how to start. dp9ik seems important if > 9legacy doesn't already have something similar. that's probably both a > bug fix and feature... and quite a task! but I would be interested in > porting patches back to learn more > I guess you

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-10 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/11/21, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > Quoth David du Colombier <0in...@gmail.com>: >> 9legacy patches are available as "unified diff" format and >> are generated with "ape/diff -Nru". > > Alright, noted for the future. > Here's what I' ve been thinking about that may be worth sharing: I'd

Re: [9fans] patches from 9front

2021-02-11 Thread Lucio De Re
On 2/11/21, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I like >> to think that there is "One plan 9" struggling to be born from these >> variations. > > it there's any "One plan 9" it's clearly called golang. cause all > added syscalls to any of the distributions came from there... > Well, I'd love to

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