On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 02:37:43 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Bigler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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P.S. While we're on the subject of the !...! commands, does anyone know
why the mezzo piano dynamic was left out? I.e., !mp! is not in the
1.7.6 draft standard, and abcm2ps doesn't implement it. (I had
On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
Braille devices usually work one line at a time, so
it helps if that line both forms a musically
meaningful unit and is also not cluttered up with
noise symbols like !break!.
Come on, how much noise does a * make?
Groeten,
Irwin Oppenheim
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack Campin
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Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through.
Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more
important than allowing an inessential idiosyncratic extension
in one application.
THAT has to be a good
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
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Possibly we could just add a warning about this problem to
the standard (perhaps in an Implementation Suggestions
section), and suggest this approach for dealing with it.
SOunds good to me.
Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeff Bigler
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Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:42:01 +0100
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
According to the BNF definition
http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
The bang is NOT a line terminator
Which was a booboo on the part of whoever
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Jeff Bigler wrote:
What would folks think of using for this purpose?
The ampersand is already in use as a voice splitting
symbol. I hope this will be documented in the upcomming
standard.
I.e., !mp! is not in the 1.7.6 draft standard
Good that you mentioned that. Must
Someone wrote:
According to the BNF definition
http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
The bang is NOT a line terminator
Jack Campin wrote:
Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through.
Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more
important than allowing an
As far as I know, only abc2win has so far used ! as a line terminator,
and the !...! extensions already exist in the 1.7.6 draft standard,
Which is not much more than a renamed absm2ps manual.
which most people on this list seem to agree should be the starting
point for the new 2.0.0
I know it is fasionable to slag off abc2win on this list (and, obviously, I'm not too keen on it or I wouldn't be writing Abacus) but can we get a little historical perspective?
>From Chris Walshaw's history of ABC on his abc home page -
The real explosion in interest came when Jim Vint released
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 06:26:16AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced
or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has
a prior claim on !. I don't see how Jim Vint can be accused of
Bryan Creer writes:
| and from ABC Music Notation: History written by a certain John Chambers -
...
| There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced
| or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has
| a prior claim on !. I don't see how
John Chambers wrote -
BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
tunes that seemed to come from abc2win.
Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ...
Could you count the tunes that use !! ?
Bryan Creer
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This is the wrong way to look at it. abc2win is barely being
maintained, but tunes created with its aid are the largest single
corpus on the web. It's the tunes you need to care about, not
the software.
ok, I guess that *almost* all of those tunes are from folk
tradition. Do you honestly think
Bryan Creer writes:
| John Chambers wrote -
|
| BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
| tunes that seemed to come from abc2win.
|
| Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ...
|
| Could you count the tunes that use !! ?
Since the code scans
Bryan Creer writes:
| and from ABC Music Notation: History written by a certain John Chambers -
...
| There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced
| or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has
| a prior claim on !. I don't see how
John Chambers wrote:
BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
tunes that seemed to come from abc2win (because of the ! chars, or
because they had a % ... abc2win comment). It came to between 9 and
10% of the tunes. It probably is the numeric leader (since the
John Chambers writes:
Bryan Creer writes:
| John Chambers wrote -
|
| BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
| tunes that seemed to come from abc2win.
|
| Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ...
|
| Could you count the tunes that use !!
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
As a programmer I'm very concerned about ! as a line terminator.
Now add two line terminators (presumably not illegal)
abc abc|!trill! abc abc|! abc abc |! abc abc|
According to the BNF definition
http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
The bang is NOT
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
As a programmer I'm very concerned about ! as a line terminator.
Now add two line terminators (presumably not illegal)
abc abc|!trill! abc abc|! abc abc |! abc abc|
According to the
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
According to the BNF definition
http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
The bang is NOT a line terminator; the newline (\n)
terminates the INPUT line.
When a bang appears at the very END of such an input
line, it forces a line break in the music
[!...!] is peculiar to abcm2ps
It's in the new standard 1.6
and will completely screw up ABC2WIN (which uses ! as a line terminator).
Strikes me that it's abc2win which is up the gum tree for this one.
And I find very strange stuff in abc2win:
a) +..+ for chords
b) the writing of grace
According to the BNF definition
http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
The bang is NOT a line terminator; the newline (\n)
terminates the INPUT line.
When a bang appears at the very END of such an input
line, it forces a line break in the music OUTPUT.
Apparently that's not true of the program
According to the BNF definition
http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
The bang is NOT a line terminator
Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through.
Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more
important than allowing an inessential idiosyncratic extension
in one
Jack Campin writes:
|
| But there are thousands of tunes out there using ! as a line terminator;
| like it or not, that is one feature of ABC2WIN's syntax that caught on.
| They matter more than any one application.
I've had to face this with my tune finder's scripts. What I
did was to add some
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