RE: [agi] Pretty worldchanging

2010-07-25 Thread John G. Rose
You have to give toast though to Net entities like Wikipedia, I'd dare say one of humankind's greatest achievements. Then eventually over a few years it'll be available as a plug-in, as a virtual trepan thus reducing the effort of subsuming all that. And then maybe structural intelligence add-ins

Re: RE: [agi] Pretty worldchanging

2010-07-25 Thread boris.k
Wikipedia doesn't allow original research Understandable, but that excludes people who don't have time to waste on getting established. Abstract concepts can't be learned by conditioning, only the practically useful ones. Structural intelligence add-ins? Those will obsolete your brain, no need

RE: [agi] Clues to the Mind: Illusions / Vision

2010-07-25 Thread John G. Rose
Here is an example of superimposed images where you have to have a predisposed perception - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1m0kCdC7co John From: deepakjnath [mailto:deepakjn...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:03 PM To: agi Subject: [agi] Clues to the Mind: Illusions /

Re: [agi] Comments On My Skepticism of Solomonoff Induction

2010-07-25 Thread Jim Bromer
I believe that trans-infinite would mean that there is no recursively enumerable algorithm that could 'reach' every possible item in the trans-infinite group. Since each program in Solomonoff Induction, written for a Universal Turing Machine could be written on a single role of tape, that means

Re: [agi] Comments On My Skepticism of Solomonoff Induction

2010-07-25 Thread Jim Bromer
No, I might have been wrong about the feasibility of writing an algorithm that can produce all the possible combinations of items when I wrote my last message. It is because the word combination is associated with more than one mathematical method. I am skeptical of the possibility that there is

[agi] The Math Behind Creativity

2010-07-25 Thread Mike Tintner
I came across this, thinking it was going to be an example of maths fantasy, but actually it has a rather nice idea about the mathematics of creativity. The Math Behind Creativity By Chuck Scott on June 15, 2010 The Science of Creativity is based on the following

Re: [agi] Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-25 Thread A. T. Murray
David Jones wrote: Arthur, Thanks. I appreciate that. I would be happy to aggregate some of those things. I am sometimes not good at maintaining the website because I get bored of maintaining or updating it very quickly :) Dave On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:02 AM, A. T. Murray menti...@scn.org

Re: [agi] Clues to the Mind: What do you think is the reason for selective attention

2010-07-25 Thread David Jones
I found proof of my interpretation in the following paper also. It concludes that we can only keep track of 3 or 4 objects in detail at a time.(something like that) http://www.pni.princeton.edu/conte/pdfs/project2/Proj2Pub8anne.pdf It says: For explicit visual working memory, object tokens are

Re: [agi] Huge Progress on the Core of AGI

2010-07-25 Thread Chris Petersen
Don't fret; your main site's got good uptime. http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html -Chris On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM, A. T. Murray menti...@scn.org wrote: David Jones wrote: Arthur, Thanks. I appreciate that. I would be happy to aggregate some of those things. I am

Re: [agi] Comments On My Skepticism of Solomonoff Induction

2010-07-25 Thread Jim Bromer
I got confused with the two kinds of combinations that I was thinking about. Sorry. However, while the reordering of the partial accumulation of a finite number of probabilities, where each probability is taken just once, can be done with a re algorithm, there is no re algorithm that can consider

Re: [agi] The Math Behind Creativity

2010-07-25 Thread rob levy
Not sure how that is useful, or even how it relates to creativity if considered as an informal description? On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: I came across this, thinking it was going to be an example of maths fantasy, but actually it has a rather

Re: [agi] The Math Behind Creativity

2010-07-25 Thread Mike Tintner
I think it's v. useful - although I was really extending his idea. Correct me - but almost no matter what you guys do, (or anyone in AI does) , you think in terms of spaces, or frames. Spaces of options. Whether you're doing logic, maths, or programs, spaces in one form or other are

Re: [agi] The Math Behind Creativity

2010-07-25 Thread rob levy
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: I think it's v. useful - although I was really extending his idea. Correct me - but almost no matter what you guys do, (or anyone in AI does) , you think in terms of spaces, or frames. Spaces of options. Whether

Re: [agi] The Math Behind Creativity

2010-07-25 Thread Mike Tintner
I wasn't trying for a detailed model of creative thinking with explanatory power - merely one dimension (and indeed a foundation) of it. In contrast to rational, deterministically programmed computers and robots wh. can only operate in closed spaces externally, (artificial environments) and

Re: [agi] How do we hear music

2010-07-25 Thread Michael Swan
On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 23:38 +0100, Mike Tintner wrote: Michael:but those things do have patterns.. A mushroom (A) is like a cloud mushroom (B). if ( (input_source_A == An_image) AND ( input_source_B == An_image )) One pattern is that they both came from an image source, and I just used