Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-28 Thread David Connors
On 27 February 2010 16:49, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: And I suppose Warwick Hughes has it all right? I don't know. I didn't really opine on Warwick Hughes. The only stuff I posted about him was written by Phil Jones of CRU. [ ... Rant about Warwick deleted ... ] So if you don’t

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-28 Thread noonie
...@lists.codify.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Sunday, 28 February 2010 7:03 AM *To:* ausDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed Greetings, On 27 February 2010 17:49, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: snip So if you don’t believe any

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-27 Thread noonie
] *On Behalf Of *David Connors *Sent:* Saturday, 27 February 2010 3:04 PM *To:* ausDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed On 27 February 2010 11:54, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: I just hate the inflammatory wording

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-27 Thread Ian Thomas
] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2010 7:03 AM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed Greetings, On 27 February 2010 17:49, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: snip So if you don't believe any scientist can be credible, who do

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-26 Thread Ian Thomas
...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2010 9:02 AM To: 'ausDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed Well that's the hope. The hope is that that the ecosystem can somehow rebalance itself in spite of the extra

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-26 Thread David Connors
On 27 February 2010 11:54, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: I just hate the inflammatory wording in that explanation of the Melbourne Water graph – “*What does this graph show?* Annual inflows into Melbourne's 4 major reservoirs since 1913. While ups and downs are a constant

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-26 Thread Tony Wright
...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Saturday, 27 February 2010 3:04 PM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed On 27 February 2010 11:54, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: I just hate the inflammatory wording

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-25 Thread David Connors
Hi Tony, I'm not intent on winning any argument and I think you really fundamentally misunderstand my position. I have only suggested that people should accept a multitude of viewpoints and not accept something being given to them them prima facie. Current pro-AGW research is far from beyond

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-25 Thread silky
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:44 PM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: I wasn't trying to win an argument. My position remains flexible and nuanced. Mm, I think I need to add this as a disclaimer to the end of all of my emails. -- David Connors (da...@codify.com) Software Engineer

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-25 Thread David Connors
On 24 February 2010 08:56, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.com wrote: really eye popping reading. Conspiracy to delete data, fudge data and models, ensuring the deletion of mail at Hadley and uPen on impending If you take 10 years of emails and correspondence between people in an

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-24 Thread Greg Low (greglow.com)
Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed Do we have, or do we want to have, a general OT list? There must be some ppl losing patience with some of these threads. On 24 February 2010 15:27, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: I mean, its failures

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Connors
On 23 February 2010 17:10, Stephen Liedig slie...@gmail.com wrote: The green initiatives such as wind and solar are the *ultimate goal*, but unfortunately won't be ready as a replacement fossil based energy sources for at least another couple of decades at best. Investment sould continue in

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Richard Jones
miracles needed From: ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com [mailto:ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 5:28 PM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed Hands up everyone who

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Tony Wright
depended on it. Oh wait, it does. T. From: ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com [mailto:ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 8:28 PM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Ken Schaefer
miracles needed From: ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com [mailto:ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 5:28 PM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed Hands up everyone who is worried about

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Connors
On 23 February 2010 21:18, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I never label people as “deniers”, nor do I cut people off. If you have an alternate viewpoint, I’d like to see what evidence you have to support that viewpoint. Since you’ve put the claim out there… I didn't say you did. I

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Ames
Wright Sent: Tuesday, 23 February 2010 9:29 PM To: 'ausDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed My understanding is that the base load problem has been solved, it’s just that there’s no political will to accept it. That is, there is too much vested

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk
Check out the UEA mail leaks as it does not sound like you have. It is really eye popping reading. Conspiracy to delete data, fudge data and models, ensuring the deletion of mail at Hadley and uPen on impending assessment report findings, constant withholding of data and source code

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread Paul Gaske
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:37 AM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 February 2010 21:29, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: And you don’t need to go nuclear. Nuclear as it currently stands is just a disgraceful option. The radioactive waste in current nuclear reactors with

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread David Connors
On 24 February 2010 12:59, Tiang Cheng tiang.ch...@staff.iinet.net.auwrote: Any scientist can claims they can forecast a change in temperature better have won a nobel prize for their work before I'ld believe them. You actually don't need to do the actual forecast, just make a movie about it.

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread tonywr
. -Original Message- From: ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com [mailto:ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of ton...@tpg.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2010 6:09 AM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed I think you

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-23 Thread tonywr
Nuclear plant in Finland 3-5billion over budget Siemens Areva Finish govt in law suit love triangle Areva just bought Multibird wind turbines and Ausra solar thermal so they're so sure of Nuclear that they're diversiftying into renewables Spain's SENER built the successful nukes in spain -- has

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-22 Thread Stephen Liedig
Not really sure if Bill deserved a standing ovation for this. He didn't actually tell us anything new other than his nuclear interests and he was pretty vague on the details. Bill's heart is in the right place but a little misguided. Unfortunately, not all of Bills 5 energy miracles are sustanable

RE: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-21 Thread Ian Thomas
: ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com [mailto:ausdotnet-boun...@lists.codify.com] On Behalf Of silky Sent: Sunday, 21 February 2010 6:18 PM To: ausDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-21 Thread David Connors
On 21 February 2010 19:33, Ian Thomas il.tho...@iinet.net.au wrote: Summary: At TED2010, Bill Gates unveils his vision for the world's energy future, describing the need for miracles to avoid planetary catastrophe I just watched the video and it seems he is an agw worrier - which I found

Re: [OT] Bill gates on our energy futures - some tech miracles needed

2010-02-21 Thread David Connors
On 22 February 2010 10:22, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: DC Quite right. I'd actually argue that cr4p government in most of the developing world is a cause of such problems - not a carbon debt The cause of what problems? Deforestation. -- David Connors (da...@codify.com)