Re: 1.2 Installation Error
Well done Sam - this is how we should be responding to newbie questions, rather than some of the crap that used to go on (not pointing at anybody in particular). Maybe we should all take a page out of your book and save this post so we can cut-and-paste it into further seemingly-obvious questions on this list. Cheers, Adam On Jan 23, 10:49 am, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 5:07 PM, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who installed the latest cake get this? This is a common message? And if so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete). If it is a clean install, I believe that they will get this message. So yes it's a common message. Why is it not in the manual... Here is my guess, in order to write the manual you have probably been using cake for so long that stuff like that just seems obvious. There is a lot about cake that after a while when you see a question one's first reaction, Oh my goodness how could you not know this... Which is unfair (I am as guilty of this as anyone), since you are new and don't have the conventions and expectations around how CakePHP reports stuff to you and how it tries to help... I guess what I'm trying to get at is that (assuming) this is not the expected result of an initial cake launch, why would it bark at me? Because it is trying to help you, it's just software and it really has no manners... :) What should you do, here is my suggestion. Go tohttp://trac.cakephp.org/join and open a ticket on the documentation about this. Now that you understand what cake is saying to you, suggest changes to the documentation, because we may not know that it is a problem. Even a suggestion for the error message to make it clearer for you as a newbie. Remember that the developers are so far from the 'newbie experience' that they would probably appreciate suggestions on how to make the message clearer. But tickets in Trac are the way to make it known that you would like some more clarity to the manual or the error messages. Make sure you check out thehttp://tempdocs.cakephp.org/ the people writing it are trying to make it all clear and helpful, but if there are things missing in many cases they just don't notice and will not notice unless you help them see the problem. Hope that helps and thanks for helping make it all better Sam D On Jan 22, 6:59pm, Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is thinking: Just read the error and follow the instructions. But, I also know what you're thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean install so you shouldn't be getting and error. All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I may be missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes: -- (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
On Jan 23, 2008 7:18 AM, Adam Royle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done Sam - this is how we should be responding to newbie questions, rather than some of the crap that used to go on (not pointing at anybody in particular). Maybe we should all take a page out of your book and save this post so we can cut-and-paste it into further seemingly-obvious questions on this list. I'll add a similar page to my footer Sam D -- (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ http://blog.samdevore.com/cakephp-pages/my-cake-wont-bake/ http://blog.samdevore.com/cakephp-pages/i-cant-bake/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
Hey, I helped too :) But I know what you mean. That's why I jumped on it and offered some helpex-noob to noob... -- Kevin Lloyd 3HN Designs http://www.3HNDesigns.com/ (214) 473-4207 On Jan 23, 2008 8:18 AM, Adam Royle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done Sam - this is how we should be responding to newbie questions, rather than some of the crap that used to go on (not pointing at anybody in particular). Maybe we should all take a page out of your book and save this post so we can cut-and-paste it into further seemingly-obvious questions on this list. Cheers, Adam On Jan 23, 10:49 am, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 5:07 PM, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who installed the latest cake get this? This is a common message? And if so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete). If it is a clean install, I believe that they will get this message. So yes it's a common message. Why is it not in the manual... Here is my guess, in order to write the manual you have probably been using cake for so long that stuff like that just seems obvious. There is a lot about cake that after a while when you see a question one's first reaction, Oh my goodness how could you not know this... Which is unfair (I am as guilty of this as anyone), since you are new and don't have the conventions and expectations around how CakePHP reports stuff to you and how it tries to help... I guess what I'm trying to get at is that (assuming) this is not the expected result of an initial cake launch, why would it bark at me? Because it is trying to help you, it's just software and it really has no manners... :) What should you do, here is my suggestion. Go tohttp://trac.cakephp.org/join and open a ticket on the documentation about this. Now that you understand what cake is saying to you, suggest changes to the documentation, because we may not know that it is a problem. Even a suggestion for the error message to make it clearer for you as a newbie. Remember that the developers are so far from the 'newbie experience' that they would probably appreciate suggestions on how to make the message clearer. But tickets in Trac are the way to make it known that you would like some more clarity to the manual or the error messages. Make sure you check out thehttp://tempdocs.cakephp.org/ the people writing it are trying to make it all clear and helpful, but if there are things missing in many cases they just don't notice and will not notice unless you help them see the problem. Hope that helps and thanks for helping make it all better Sam D On Jan 22, 6:59pm, Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is thinking: Just read the error and follow the instructions. But, I also know what you're thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean install so you shouldn't be getting and error. All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I may be missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes: -- (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
Hi Longint, 1. Open up app/config/core.php 2. Scroll down to Security.salt 3. Just change 1 character in the salt and you'll be all set! 4. Save the core.php file. Possible cause: You installed cakePHP 1.2 and just opened up the app folder and began working with everything you need right in the same directory. Resolution: cakePHP 1.2 allows/expects you to start new projects from the console. So they figure you'll take the 1.2 cakePHP download, put it somewhere and then follow the screencast on setting up the console at: http://cakephp.org/screencasts Please note that this is not the ONLY way to do it, but it's the expected route for creating a new project. Once you've got the console all set up you'll create new projects by: 1. Navigate to where you want your new project directory to live. 2. Create the project directory 3. Navigate into your new project directory 4. Run the following at the console: cake bake 5. Allow it to use the default skeleton 6. Allow it to use verbose mode (this will show you the files / directories it is creating and any errors) 7. Enjoy! Hope that helps longint. You're going to love 1.2! On Jan 22, 6:46 pm, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just 'installed' the latest beta and when I navigate to the cake directory I get the following message: Please change the value of 'Security.salt' in app/config/core.php to a salt value specific to your application [CORE/cake/libs/debugger.php, line 535] Anyone familiar with this error and why I'm getting it? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
1.2 Installation Error
I just 'installed' the latest beta and when I navigate to the cake directory I get the following message: Please change the value of 'Security.salt' in app/config/core.php to a salt value specific to your application [CORE/cake/libs/debugger.php, line 535] Anyone familiar with this error and why I'm getting it? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
:) I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is thinking: Just read the error and follow the instructions. But, I also know what you're thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean install so you shouldn't be getting and error. All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I may be missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes: In cryptography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography, a *salt*comprises random bits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit that are used as one of the inputs to a key derivation functionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_derivation_function. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29) In CakePHP one of these deviation functions is the hash routine for the Authentication. If no one ever changed their salt value, someone could simply download the CakePHP code, analyze it's working and use that knowledge to get values for your hashed values. Bottom line, change the value. Go to an online hash routine or somethig ( http://www.fileformat.info/tool/hash.htm), type in some crap, and use one of the hash results you get. Just make the value random. -- Kevin Lloyd 3HN Designs http://www.3HNDesigns.com/ (214) 473-4207 On Jan 22, 2008 5:46 PM, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just 'installed' the latest beta and when I navigate to the cake directory I get the following message: Please change the value of 'Security.salt' in app/config/core.php to a salt value specific to your application [CORE/cake/libs/debugger.php, line 535] Anyone familiar with this error and why I'm getting it? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who installed the latest cake get this? This is a common message? And if so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete). I guess what I'm trying to get at is that (assuming) this is not the expected result of an initial cake launch, why would it bark at me? On Jan 22, 6:59 pm, Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is thinking: Just read the error and follow the instructions. But, I also know what you're thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean install so you shouldn't be getting and error. All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I may be missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes: In cryptography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography, a *salt*comprises random bits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit that are used as one of the inputs to a key derivation functionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_derivation_function. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%28cryptography%29) In CakePHP one of these deviation functions is the hash routine for the Authentication. If no one ever changed their salt value, someone could simply download the CakePHP code, analyze it's working and use that knowledge to get values for your hashed values. Bottom line, change the value. Go to an online hash routine or somethig (http://www.fileformat.info/tool/hash.htm), type in some crap, and use one of the hash results you get. Just make the value random. -- Kevin Lloyd 3HN Designshttp://www.3HNDesigns.com/ (214) 473-4207 On Jan 22, 2008 5:46 PM, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just 'installed' the latest beta and when I navigate to the cake directory I get the following message: Please change the value of 'Security.salt' in app/config/core.php to a salt value specific to your application [CORE/cake/libs/debugger.php, line 535] Anyone familiar with this error and why I'm getting it? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
On Jan 22, 2008 7:07 PM, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who installed the latest cake get this? This is a common message? And if so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete). It's a common message if you update your Cake install *and* copy over your existing cake/app/config/core.php file in the process. That warning has been around in 1.2 for a long time. -- Chris Hartjes Internet Loudmouth Motto for 2008: Moving from herding elephants to handling snakes... @TheKeyBoard: http://www.littlehart.net/atthekeyboard --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
On Jan 22, 2008 5:07 PM, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who installed the latest cake get this? This is a common message? And if so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete). If it is a clean install, I believe that they will get this message. So yes it's a common message. Why is it not in the manual... Here is my guess, in order to write the manual you have probably been using cake for so long that stuff like that just seems obvious. There is a lot about cake that after a while when you see a question one's first reaction, Oh my goodness how could you not know this... Which is unfair (I am as guilty of this as anyone), since you are new and don't have the conventions and expectations around how CakePHP reports stuff to you and how it tries to help... I guess what I'm trying to get at is that (assuming) this is not the expected result of an initial cake launch, why would it bark at me? Because it is trying to help you, it's just software and it really has no manners... :) What should you do, here is my suggestion. Go to http://trac.cakephp.org/ join and open a ticket on the documentation about this. Now that you understand what cake is saying to you, suggest changes to the documentation, because we may not know that it is a problem. Even a suggestion for the error message to make it clearer for you as a newbie. Remember that the developers are so far from the 'newbie experience' that they would probably appreciate suggestions on how to make the message clearer. But tickets in Trac are the way to make it known that you would like some more clarity to the manual or the error messages. Make sure you check out the http://tempdocs.cakephp.org/ the people writing it are trying to make it all clear and helpful, but if there are things missing in many cases they just don't notice and will not notice unless you help them see the problem. Hope that helps and thanks for helping make it all better Sam D On Jan 22, 6:59pm, Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is thinking: Just read the error and follow the instructions. But, I also know what you're thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean install so you shouldn't be getting and error. All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I may be missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes: -- (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 1.2 Installation Error
Samuel, Nice feedback there. I'm definitely very interested in the Cake project and helping out anyway I can. So as a noob I will definitely report it. And of course this thread is now here for anyone who does a search in the future. Thanks. On Jan 22, 7:49 pm, Samuel DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 22, 2008 5:07 PM, longint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, I don't disagree with your explanation but did everyone who installed the latest cake get this? This is a common message? And if so I don't see it in the manual (though it's not complete). If it is a clean install, I believe that they will get this message. So yes it's a common message. Why is it not in the manual... Here is my guess, in order to write the manual you have probably been using cake for so long that stuff like that just seems obvious. There is a lot about cake that after a while when you see a question one's first reaction, Oh my goodness how could you not know this... Which is unfair (I am as guilty of this as anyone), since you are new and don't have the conventions and expectations around how CakePHP reports stuff to you and how it tries to help... I guess what I'm trying to get at is that (assuming) this is not the expected result of an initial cake launch, why would it bark at me? Because it is trying to help you, it's just software and it really has no manners... :) What should you do, here is my suggestion. Go tohttp://trac.cakephp.org/join and open a ticket on the documentation about this. Now that you understand what cake is saying to you, suggest changes to the documentation, because we may not know that it is a problem. Even a suggestion for the error message to make it clearer for you as a newbie. Remember that the developers are so far from the 'newbie experience' that they would probably appreciate suggestions on how to make the message clearer. But tickets in Trac are the way to make it known that you would like some more clarity to the manual or the error messages. Make sure you check out thehttp://tempdocs.cakephp.org/ the people writing it are trying to make it all clear and helpful, but if there are things missing in many cases they just don't notice and will not notice unless you help them see the problem. Hope that helps and thanks for helping make it all better Sam D On Jan 22, 6:59pm, Baz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) I can't help but smile because I know what everyone else is thinking: Just read the error and follow the instructions. But, I also know what you're thinking; you don't know what's going on. You just did a clean install so you shouldn't be getting and error. All things aren't obvious to everyone. This is just what I know; I may be missing a huge chunk of the big picture, but here goes: -- (the old fart) the advice is free, the lack of crankiness will cost you - its a fine line between a real question and an idiot http://blog.samdevore.com/archives/2007/03/05/when-open-source-bugs-me/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Cake PHP group. To post to this group, send email to cake-php@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cake-php?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
