Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
In a message dated 5/23/00 10:37:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Firstly, We ( J2- made the original claim that there is no hard evidence of intelligent alien existence on Earth )are NOT required to prove that aliens don't exist. The more extraordinary the claim, the more solid the evidence needs to be. There is none. What there is plenty of, is 'stories'. Isn't this discussion moot on a conspiracy THEORY research list? If we waited for hard evidence before discussing all the subjects on this list, it would be a VERY quiet list. Plenty of us here, including you, J2, and the moderator, draw conclusions on subjects based on less than hard evidence. Why is the subject of UFOs being singled out? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 2nd FBI leader heard of 'pressure' on probe
May 24, 2000 2nd FBI leader heard of 'pressure' on probe By Jerry Seper THE WASHINGTON TIMES A second FBI executive can confirm that a top Justice Department official said he was "under a lot of pressure not to go forward" with an investigation into 1996 campaign finance abuses, and that Attorney General Janet Reno's job "might hang in the balance." FBI general counsel Larry Parkinson told the House Judiciary Committee yesterday that Neil J. Gallagher, the bureau's assistant director for national security, was present at the meeting during which Lee Radek, head of the Justice Department's office of public integrity, made the comments. The testimony from Mr. Parkinson came during an unrelated oversight hearing about pending immigration matters after questions by Rep. James E. Rogan, California Republican. Mr. Rogan asked, over the vigorous objection of Democrats, whether an FBI inquiry had discovered that others were at the 1996 meeting, recounted by FBI Director Louis J. Freeh in a Dec. 9, 1996, memo to Deputy FBI Director William J. Esposito, who also was present at the meeting. Mr. Parkinson, in response, said Mr. Gallagher also had attended the session and could confirm the conversation. "He essentially corroborates the account that is described in the director's memo to Mr. Esposito," Mr. Parkinson said. "Clearly, the testimony represents a major dispute in the story that has been told by the Justice Department and raises the potential for a conflict of interest," Mr. Rogan said. Mr. Radek said in a written statement he had "no recollection of ever saying I was under pressure because the attorney general's job hung in the balance." He added, "Nor is it something I would have said because it has no basis in fact." Miss Reno said she did not remember being told by Mr. Freeh that she and Mr. Radek should recuse themselves after he complained of pressure to scuttle the probe. She said she talked with Mr. Freeh "about public integrity on a continuing basis" but did not remember comments concerning pressure on her or the department. The Freeh memo recounts how Mr. Radek believed he was under pressure regarding the probe and how it could impact on whether Miss Reno would be retained as attorney general. Mr. Freeh told Mr. Esposito that he met with Miss Reno, told her about Mr. Radek's comments and suggested "on that basis" that she and Mr. Radek step aside from the investigation. The memo said that the public integrity section could not conduct a thorough investigation, and that the department should name aggressive outside investigators whom he referred to as "junkyard dogs." In a separate memo, Mr. Freeh said Justice sought to sidestep the use of FBI agents for the campaign finance probe. The memo said the department wanted to use investigators from the inspector general's office at the Commerce Department instead. The memos were turned over under subpoena to Senate and House committees investigating campaign finance abuses during the 1996 presidential election. Mr. Radek, Mr. Esposito and Mr. Gallagher are scheduled to testify today before the Senate Judiciary administrative oversight and courts subcommittee, which is investigating the Justice Department's handling of the campaign finance probe. After the 1996 election, White House aides sought to dump Miss Reno because of her willingness to probe administration officials and her efforts to seek independent counsels in several scandals. During her second term, she has refused outside probes of the fund-raising scandal. In 1997 and 1998, Mr. Freeh recommended in separate memos that an outside counsel be sought to probe campaign abuses. In 1998, Charles G. LaBella, campaign-finance task force chief, also urged Miss Reno to seek outside counsel in the probe. Last year, four FBI agents told the Senate Judiciary Committee that Mr. Radek blocked a search warrant in the destruction of evidence by Charles Yah Lin Trie, a top Democratic fund-raiser, even after they discovered that financial, business and travel records were being destroyed. Agent Ivian C. Smith, head of the FBI's Little Rock field office, said he was so concerned about the probe that he wrote personally to Mr. Freeh to say, "The team at [the Justice Department] leading this investigation is, at best, simply not up to the task." Last month, Senate investigators questioned Mr. Radek's order to stop a probe just before the 1996 election into fund raising by Vice President Al Gore at a Buddhist temple. In a Nov. 1, 1996, order, he said prosecutors "should take no steps to investigate these matters at this time." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] WT: Tarnished legacy
Washington Times-May 24, 2000 Tarnished legacy By Tony Blankley From Monday's New York Times: "With time running out for a Mideast peace accord or a new arms deal with Russia, the outcome of the [China trade] vote has taken on huge importance in the president's mind. 'He hates the word, but it's the legacy thing, in a big way,' said one Cabinet member." Meanwhile, Monday in the Supreme Court of Arkansas: "[Y]ou are hereby notified of the decision of the Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct to initiate disbarment proceedings against attorney William Jefferson Clinton. This action is being taken against the respondent attorney as a result of . . . the findings by a majority of the committee that certain of the attorney's conduct as demonstrated in the complaints constituted serious misconduct in violation of . . . the Arkansas Model Rules of Professional Conduct." Can you hear the rude belly laugh of tragic history repeating itself as farce? A quarter of a century ago Richard Nixon was disbarred by a New York court after resigning as president over the Watergate scandal. Nixon's defenders, then, argued that his historic breakthrough to China should outweigh his Watergate disgrace. But it didn't (nor should it have) even though Nixon's opening to China was a genuine world historic event that he had carefully crafted over several years. Surely, President Clinton's stumbling incompetence on behalf of his more narrowly gauged China initiative will not outweigh, nor negate, nor even ameliorate his towering disgrace that is now beginning to come to judgment in the Supreme Court of Arkansas. It is fitting that the state of Arkansas should be taking the first step to vindicate the honor of the presidency so stained by its once-favorite son. Just as Nixon did, Mr. Clinton is now claiming his China initiative to be his primary legacy. It is only fair, then, to compare the two presidents' China efforts. Nixon, having planned his China move years in advance, published an article in Foreign Affairs magazine more than a year before he became president in which he risked undercutting his own partisan political support with the observation: "We simply cannot afford to leave China forever outside the family of nations, there to nurture its fantasies, cherish its hates and threaten its neighbors. There is no place on this small planet for a billion of its potentially most able people to live in angry isolation." Mr. Clinton, on the other hand, in the election year 1992, in order to gain partisan advantage even at the price of our national interest, attacked then-President Bush's effort to engage the Chinese by accusing him of "coddling dictators." Whether Mr. Clinton was intentionally undercutting his own future China policy or merely had failed even to formulate it yet, we may never know. But, as the New York Times reported: "[Clinton's] first 18 months in office were spent digging his way out of his own campaign rhetoric. His comments had inflamed the Chinese." In 1969, when Nixon saw an opportunity to reach out to China during Soviet-Chinese fighting along the Ussuri River in Siberia, Nixon (in Henry Kissinger's words) "made two extraordinary decisions." He put aside America's historic dispute over Taiwan, and he warned the Soviets that the United States would "not remain indifferent" to a Soviet attack on China. But in 1995 the ever feckless Mr. Clinton once again undercut his own China policy by allowing Taiwan's president to make a private visit to this country because he was afraid of the politics of denying the visa. As one of Mr. Clinton's foreign policy advisers has been quoted observing: "He [Clinton] knows he blew it in 1995." Once again in 1970-71, when our invasion of Cambodia had threatened Nixon's China outreach, he took the bold step of sending Henry Kissinger to carry out secret negotiations with China, which resulted in the historic prize of an accord with China. But contrast Nixon's steady and deft hand with Mr. Clinton's. In April 1999, when Chinese Prime Minister Zhu was in Washington, ready to sign this historic trade bill that had been 13 years in the negotiation, President Clinton once again stuck his finger into the political wind and at the last moment refused to agree to the accord. "As in so many things," Democratic Sen. Patrick Moynihan said, "[Clinton] too often let the politics of last month or next month affect decisions toward China that go to half-century strategic issues." Mr. Clinton cannot even claim credit for the success of the important vote scheduled later today. He has been carried along by policies conceived by other and better men before him. He has undercut and delayed by years this important trade bill's passage by his craven and partisan maneuvers. It will be passed into law by the overwhelming vote of his Republican opposition, while his own Democratic party has deserted him.
[CTRL] Concentration Camp Locations
-Original Message- From: American Patriot Friends Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: American Patriot Friends Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2000 14:01 Subject: Re: Concentration Camp Locations + NOTE: THE U.S. HOUSE WILL VOTE FOR FREE TRADE WITH CHINA TOMORROW! SEE URL'S BELOW FOR ADD'L INFO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] U.S. House of Representatives http://www.house.gov/ Concentration Camp Locations in Southern California By Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fact is, there's been a common thread of corroborating information http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 Original Message Subject: Re: GUN CONGROL: [Fwd: Emergency Alert: Wednesday 05/17/00] http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 Date: Tue, 23 May 00 16:45:43 -0800 From: Autymn D. C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: "Christopher Ruby" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fact is, there's been a common thread of corroborating information on this subject over the years that reinforces the credibility of this post. Neophytes to this list or conspiracy lists in general may have to hang out for awhile to see the common threads that weave a tapestry of common sense. Those who lack discernment via pattern recognition capabilities may never "get it" and only get frustrated with the occasional disinformation on these lists. Subject: Fwd: AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS 1100 x 1,000,0 Sent:30/5/1999 18.21 Subject: AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS From: Byron T Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Charmaine Ferreira - Apocalypse Project" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS - INTERNMENT CAMPS Here is the camps info. 3-7-99 Note - If any of you can get to these locations and take some photos, we would appreciate seeing them and will add them to this story. Suggest you use caution and take a zoom lens along. Thanks to Don for this information. Concentration Camp Locations in Southern California By Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3-7-99 For all you disbeliever's and gun control idiots who think the government knows best, I've compiled a short list of camps you can visit. These camps have armed guards, surveillance systems, and many fences with the barbed wire pointing IN. If you voted for gun-control, then you probably deserve a place in one of these things, as you've sold not only you and your own children down the road, but me and mine as well. Thanks a lot. 1. PEARBLOSSOM, CALIFORNIA: Located at the intersection of Ave 116 and the Pearblossom Highway, this is a full-service facility, complete with gas chambers, moat, machine gun towers, and roving armed patrols. Visit at your own risk. If you do decide to see this one, you will be descended upon by some very mean fellows, who will get your ID and license, then monitor you. 2. FILMORE, CALIFORNIA: Located on highway 126, this at first glance looks like an orange grove and is located on the north side of the highway. It sports guard centers, three--count em--three sets of fences, all pointing in, and some very nasty armed men who tell you to "mind your own business." This camp is huge. 3. SANTA PAULA, CALIFORNIA: This is a holding camp, designed as a stock-yard type of facility for those rounded up in the early sweeps. 4. VALENCIA, CALIFORNIA: This is one of the largest camps ever constructed and measures some two miles by three miles, using the reservoir at the intersection of the 5 and 405 freeways as a cover. New buildings, armed guards, new roads, and many hundreds of buildings for housing the damned. 5. GLENDALE, CALIFORNIA: Right behind Brand Park, take the 5 interstate to Western Ave, then head north up the hill till you arrive at the park. Then take the road -- by foot -- by the doctor's house on the northwestern part of the park. Proceed up the hill to you reach the reservoir, which is in fact, a holding facility. When we were there last, there were five armed guards with M16s walking around. --- Commentary on the Concentration Camps By Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3-7-99 Dear friends, Recently, I sent out to the various news media an extremely small list of Concentration Camps recently built by your United States Government. As ithappens, very few journalists acted upon the information and shared it with listeners/viewers/readers. Of course, once the information was made public, I've now become slandered, attacked, and called all sorts of names and the like. How interesting it is that when we bring truth to our world, the messenger is killed, even if symbolically. Many of us in the media have been aware of these hideous camps since their inception. It only takes a look at the history of this century to know what will happen in them once they are populated. The heart shudders at such knowledge but ignoring it won't make it go away. The only answer is to get the information out there in the world and make our elected government answer. I've personally visited these camps and have taken pictures.
[CTRL] WND: Gore's fear of frying; took $100,000-plus credit line in 1998
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_sperry_news/2518_xnspy_gores_fear.shtml WorldNetDaily THURSDAY, MAY 18, 2000 Gore's fear of frying VP took $100,000-plus credit line in 1998 after fund-raising scandal By Paul Sperry © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON -- He was loaded for bear. But the bear never came. After it was revealed in 1998 that Vice President Al Gore had dialed for dollars from the White House during the 1996 campaign cycle, Gore trotted out his "no controlling legal authority" defense. It was quickly satirized by most legal pundits, including former federal prosecutors. And the outcry pressured the Justice Department to review the case to see if it was serious enough to turn over to an independent counsel. Gore retained Nashville, Tenn., lawyer James Neal and racked up more than $15,000 in legal bills that year. Unknown to the public was that Charles LaBella, head of Justice's campaign-finance task force at the time, had urged Attorney General Janet Reno in a 1998 memo to investigate Gore. LaBella said his conduct during the 1996 Clinton-Gore campaign "warranted" a probe by an outside prosecutor. But Reno ignored her lead prosecutor and bought Gore's "no controlling legal authority" defense. She dropped any further inquiry. Nevertheless, Gore apparently had been expecting to be the target of a full-blown criminal probe. In 1998, he went to the Citizens Bank in Carthage, Tenn., and took out a personal line of credit worth between $101,000 and $250,000, according to records filed with the Federal Election Commission last year. As of Monday, his latest financial disclosure, Gore still maintained the line of credit, records show. (Though Gore listed the interest rates on his two home loans, he left the interest-rate box next to the credit line blank.) According to the White House, task-force prosecutors earlier this month told Gore he's still not a criminal target. They nonetheless interviewed him again on April 18. And for the first time, investigators asked him questions about his involvement in the illegal Buddhist temple fund-raiser in 1996. Gore reportedly was surprised at the renewed interest in him and lost his cool. The interview ended in a shouting match between Gore and agents, published reports say. Neal represented Gore at the interview. It's not clear if Gore will have to draw on his sizable bank credit line any time soon. Paul Sperry is Washington bureau chief for WorldNetDaily. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] New ruling could mean end of Tripp case - analysts
Updated 11:48 AM ET May 21, 2000 New ruling could mean end of Tripp case - analysts By David Morgan PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Ten months after Linda Tripp was indicted in Maryland for making the secret tape-recordings that led to President Clinton's impeachment, a judge Monday could set the stage for prosecutors to drop the case, analysts say. Howard County Circuit Judge Diane Leasure, who has presided over a series of complex pretrial proceedings, was expected to give her final word on whether former White House intern Monica Lewinsky can provide vital testimony when Tripp goes to trial for alleged wiretap violations later this year. Tripp, the only major figure in the White House sex-and-perjury scandal to face criminal prosecution, recorded hours of conversations with Lewinsky in late 1997 and handed the tapes over to independent counsel Kenneth Starr. Last July, a state grand jury named her in a two-count indictment for allegedly recording a conversation on Dec. 22, 1997, without Lewinsky's permission and sharing its contents with Newsweek magazine. To get a conviction, which could land Tripp in jail for 10 years, Maryland State Prosecutor Stephen Montanarelli needs Lewinsky to identify the date on which the tape was made. Otherwise, he may not be able to prove a crucial element of the case -- that Tripp knew she was breaking the law when she made the recording. In a key ruling on May 5, Judge Leasure said Lewinsky could testify on the question of whether Tripp had her permission to make the recording. But the former intern was not credible on any other topic, including the tape's date, because her memory was tainted by contact with evidence Tripp provided Starr under a grant of federal immunity, the judge said. Since then, prosecutors have come under pressure to bow out of the case, with a chorus of local newspapers saying that to continue in a climate of legal uncertainty would waste taxpayers' money and risk the appearance of a political vendetta. "They could struggle to find other proof that might be admissible. The better course is to drop the charges and go home," The Washington Post said in just such an editorial. In a bid to get the case on track, Montanarelli filed a motion a week ago asking Leasure to clarify her ruling. The motion suggested Lewinsky should be able to identify the December tape in order to say whether Tripp had her consent to make it. "It is essential to the state's case," Montanarelli wrote. "If the judge denies their motion, Montanarelli might very well use that as a gracious way to get out," said University of Maryland Law School professor Abe Dash. "He can say he's done everything he could but he doesn't feel it would be fair to go ahead because he's not sure he can prove his case." Montanarelli, Maryland's special independent prosecutor, got the case in early 1998 after Democrats inundated the local Republican district attorney's office with demands that Tripp be prosecuted for allegedly taping conversations from her home in Columbia, Maryland. But the mood surrounding the case had changed dramatically in the ensuing months. "Everyone's heard as much as they want to hear about Linda Tripp and Monica Lewinsky and the whole affair involving the president," said Matthew Crenson, a political science professor at Johns Hopkins University. "I'm speculating here, but this motion on the prosecution's part may be precisely an attempt to drop the whole thing." On Monday, Leasure could grant or deny Montanarelli's motion, or decide that Maryland law does not give her the authority to alter a previous order calling for the suppression of evidence. Prosecutors agree that another unfavorable ruling would require serious soul-searching. But senior prosecutor Mike McDonough bristled at the suggestion that such a development would provide an opportunity to get out. "I'm not sure that dropping cases is what I'd call an opportunity. We charge cases to prosecute them," he said. Some Republicans agree, charging that prosecutors are likely to push ahead if only to curry favor with the Democrat-controlled state Legislature that approves their $800,000 operating budget. "I don't think we'll see them drop the case. They won't have much of a case, but they'll continue," said one Maryland Republican. © 2000 Reuters Limited. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
[CTRL] A LOOK INTO THE ABYSS PT I of II
Washington Weekly 05/22/2000 A LOOK INTO THE ABYSS What Elian Tells Us About Ourselves By Edward Zehr "They have become, in the fullest sense of the term, Weimar Republicans." Oh no, the reader thinks upon seeing the subtitle of this piece, not another article about Elian. But this series of articles is only incidentally about Elian -- it's really about us and what is happening to us. The Elian affair is like a mirror that reflects our hidden face, the one we never identify with ourselves because we always imagine that it belongs to somebody else. For example, I get e-mail from people who have chanced to read one or more of these articles and drop me a cordial line or two just to let me know what a numbskull I am. After all, the way I tell the story is not the way they have heard it. If my version were correct it would mean that they have been grossly misinformed, and the implications of that are too terrible to contemplate. It would mean that in order to be properly informed they would have to stop skating over the surface of issues such as these, letting the anchor people do all the heavy lifting, and start doing their own thinking. But thinking can be kind of like work. Besides, a lot of people just don't quite have the hang of it. The raw material required to do one's own thinking consists of facts gathered from a wide variety of sources, not just the one that happens to materialize when the TV set is switched on. The "facts" presented by the mass media are typically folded into a smarmy batter of tendentious fiction calculated to elicit a response from the viewer that will be useful in advancing the hidden agenda which the presstitutes are paid to promote. The viewer, who does not comprehend that he or she is being manipulated responds emotionally, as though watching a soap opera or a TV series. After all, most people have a lot more experience responding emotionally to TV plots than they have at thinking critically and analytically. The script writer manipulates the emotions of the audience who respond in a predictable fashion. The viewers are being conditioned to react in a certain way. The leap from the semi-conscious emotional response evoked by TV "entertainment" to the conditioned response elicited by the politicallymotivatedpropaganda inserted into "news" presentations is a short one. THE FACE IN THE MIRROR The black-shirted,brown-shirtedandred-banner-waving totalitarians of the twentieth century missed the point on a grand scale. All that rough stuff is really unnecessary in building a totalitarian state. In fact, if overdone, it tends to give the game away. Goebbels was the one who had it right, not Himmler. Concentration camps are a drain on the economy. That doesn't mean that you cannot turn the occasional group of retrograde religious fundies into crispy critters if they offer sufficient provocation. (It adds to the entertainment value of the spectacle if you torment the kiddies with noxious gas for, oh say five or six hours prior to lighting the bonfire -- the imperial Romans knew about these things). After the flames subside it will all be seen as the fault of the fundies, of course. That sinister, shadowy countenance we sometimes catch sight of, however fleetingly, in the mirror is never our own. Not that the knock on the door in the middle of the night is completely passe. In fact, it can prove quite useful if the courts insist upon being tedious about due process and all that nausea, and balk at issuing the legal paperwork necessary to drag away the designated victim in strict conformance with the law. No matter, hardly anyone understands the law, and who is going to tell them -- the press? They are far too preoccupied writing puff-pieces about Janet Reno to shed any tears over the late, great Fourth Amendment. Mind you, the original Gestapo were such sticklers for observing regulations they actually used to knock before entering. (Germans tend to be polite almost to a fault -- they would never dream of using the familiar form of the personal pronoun with a stranger, even if they were bashing his head in). Our own ski-masked, ninja-clad mili-cops do their nocturnal knocking with a battering ram. Small wonder Europeans consider us to be somewhat gauche. One of the most disconcerting aspects of the Elian affair is the public's response to Reno's Raid on the Miami family of Elian Gonzalez, in which the boy was illegally seized and whisked away to a secluded stronghold where, according to some accounts, he is being drugged and indoctrinated by his Cuban communist keepers. Ah! smirk the Clinton/Castro apologists, you don't know that the kid is being drugged and indoctrinated. But the evidence for
[CTRL] A LOOK INTO THE ABYSS PT II of II
Other horrible examples could be mentioned. When the mass- murdering Marxist monster Pol Pot drove the population of Phnom Penh out of the Cambodian capital in a death march, the pro- communist apologist and syndicated columnist Anthony Lewis leaped to his defense, decrying the bourgeois sensibilities of his critics. After all, how is one to make an omelette without cracking a few eggs? Later, when it became clear that Pol Pot's Cambodian communist regime had butchered anywhere from 1-to-3 million of his countrymen, Lewis lapsed into an awkward silence. Not that his colleagues ever faulted him for defending the butcher responsible. His motivation had been politically correct, after all, and that's what really counts. Why pshaw, people die every day -- what's the big deal? Revel offers many other examples of the duplicity of Western journalists in misrepresenting the truth about communism. For instance, the April 1975 New York Times article by Sydney Schanberg, titled "Indochina without Americans: For Most, a Better Life." He notes that Schanberg detected this marked upturn in the living standard within the Cambodia of Pol Pot, as well as in Vietnam. Or take the piece that James Brooke wrote for the Jan. 3, 1985 New York Times, "Angolan Writers Bloom in Independent Climate." Revel tells us that he "searched in vain for documentary evidence of this flourishing renaissance of letters, which took place, according to Brooke, under the aegis of a new, unexpected form of Platonic academy -- the Politburo of Luanda." He did happen to notice, however, the presence of "50,000 Cuban soldiers, 2,000 Soviet "advisers" and 1,000 North Koreans." Come to think of it, a correspondent for the New York Times, Herbert L. Mathews, told us back in 1957 that Fidel Castro was on the side of liberty, democracy, social justice and all that's good. He was, in fact, an "anti-communist," Mathews solemnly avowed, committed to the restoration of the Cuban constitution. We had to find out for ourselves, the hard way, that Castro is a communist, a despot, an enemy of the United States and that, at the time he came to power, Castro could not wait to ally himself with the Soviet Union. Why do they do it? Revel speculates: "Though not a communist, Duranty probably felt it would be better for the Soviet Union to have a good reputation in the West. From that moment on he treated information not as an end governed by a criterion of accuracy, but simply as a means of obtaining a desired effect." Could that be it? His guess is as good as mine, though frankly I have better things to do than speculate about what motivates the ugly, twisted, third-rate minds of Holocaust and Gulag deniers. The point to be taken from this is that mainstream journalists lie brazenly and without regard for the consequences, especially when writing about communism. And why not? There never appear to be any consequences for the pro-communist apologists in our mainstream press. Taking the "liberal" position on communism means never having to say you are sorry. ON THE EDGE What particularly concerns me about the Elian affair is the seeming inability of so many people to discuss the topics of the day with even rudimentary understanding. Our continued existence as free people depends on our ability to form our own opinions in a rational manner. One point of contention regarding Elian that keeps cropping up in e-mail, on Web sites and in various newsgroups is the question of the legality of Reno's raid on the home of the boy's Miami relatives. I have taken pains to present the views of several noted legal scholars on this subject. Yet a number of my critics fail to even acknowledge the existence of such expert opinion, asserting their own interpretation of the law and volunteering their equally inexpert opinions regarding my sanity for not seeing it their way. In a court of law, a jury typically decides questions of fact, leaving the interpretation of the law to professionals who have spent a great deal of time studying the subject. That is why I present the opinions of legal scholars regarding the meaning of the law, while drawing my own conclusions about the facts of the case. With regard to Reno's raid, the rationale usually given is that the INS had first obtained a warrant and that makes everything perfectly legal. However, as Laurence Tribe, a Harvard University constitutional scholar and long time supporter of Bill Clinton wrote in the New York Times, "The Justice Department points out that agents who stormed the Miami home were armed not only with guns, but with a search warrant. But it was not a warrant to seize the child. Elian was not lost, and it is a semantic sleight of hand to compare his forcible removal to the seizure of
[CTRL] NYP: DUNLEAVY : CLINTON'S SMEAR SQUAD
5-21-00 UNLESS the Clinton Tontons Macoutes can find out that Rick Lazio wears a mask, carries a machine gun and hunts bear out of season with a crossbow, Hillary is looking at her worst nightmare: nobody to slag. "The Clinton doctrine of search-and-destroy is already rolling,"said Lazio spokesman Dan McLagan. "They're working hard at it. It is interesting, truthfully, amusing." When Rudy stepped aside, Hillary was left with a terrible dilemma -a giant arsenal of garlic-tipped bullets, but no bloody target. "Campaigns are always costly, but at least we don't have to spendmoney on an exploratory campaign to find out where Syracuse is," said Mike Murphy. Murphy is a frightening weapon in any campaign. He was the soul architect behind the McCain magic, got Jeb Bush elected governor of Florida and the Clintonistas should check his weight before they get in the ring of down and dirty. "Hey, I think as we speak, I'm sorry, Mrs. Clinton's political advisers are going through Rick's garbage right now. They probably will find something - like a ticket stub to a baseball game," Murphy was saying with a smile as wide as a canyon. Lazio speaks to me: "With respect to Mrs. Clinton, I believe she is part of the left wing that thinks that adding to the welfare rolls gives them a bigger political base. "I don't believe the majority of people want welfare. They wantjobs. But I sincerely believe that Mrs. Clinton was part of the left that exported jobs out of this state, out of this country. "I don't need a Yankee cap to tell the world I'm a lover of this state. "Oh, yeah, I played Little League. And while I wanted a new mitt, my father would not buy it. "But he did say, you can work for it. So, when I was 13, I worked for my dad at his auto shop in Lindenhurst, L.I., sweeping floors. I got my mitt. "My dad, Anthony, got out of World War II, borrowed $700 and started an auto shop. "Hours he worked? I couldn't even tell you. "But he made a success of it and I'd like to see little guys like my father, the small business guy, the working people who are first in and last out, get a break. "Again, with respect to Mrs. Clinton, I believe that her attitude islike so many from the left - that as soon as there is a problem, you throw money at it. "I want to see the grades of kids in school go up and I don't think money can do that. It all has to do with dedication, hard work, community and family." Hillary got a lot of people angry by wanting to hang cops on the altar of the Rev. Al Sharpton and thought that bringing in a federal monitor to look over the shoulder of our Finest was a good idea. "Five years as a prosecutor taught me one thing," Lazio was saying.Simply, they are a dedicated body of men and women, the cops in this state who put their lives on the line every day for us. "You see, I was a prosecutor, yes, and it was in this state of NewYork." Mike Long, head of the Conservative Party, said: "Roll the clockback to 1994. Pataki vs. Cuomo. Cuomo was an icon. What's a Pataki? "In the case of Hillary vs. Rudy, you had two celebrities. But both sides were battling to enlarge each other's negative polls. "Rick Lazio? How will you make him a target? What will you say about him? Of course, I'm still interested in Joe DioGuardi, a fine man, and Peter King. But for Rick Lazio, of course the door is open." Long can swing anywhere between 250,000 to 350,000 votes from Conservatives. And without going to your adding machine, that could mean a landslide. But seriously, that is just politics. The polls show that Hillary has not moved off a gnat's eyebrow and once again we see that wonderful character Al D'Amato as a kingmaker. Beaten but never bowed. Oh, he will have his day again. But think of Hillary and her KGB right now. What can they do? You can't arrest a Boy Scout for jaywalking while he is helping an old lady across the road. Isn't it amazing that everything you ask for, you so often get. Well, Hill and Bill, you got your wish. You won't have Rudy to kick around anymore. Thank God, he is back with us. But who will you kick now? Lazio? Darling, he is going to be your worst nightmare. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and
[CTRL] J.C. Watts, Jr. Remarks Before The National Rifle Association
EMBARGOED UNTIL TIME OF SPEECH: 9:00 P.M. Contact: Bill Shapard 202-225-6165/ 202-225-3191 [EMAIL PROTECTED] House Conference Chairman J.C. Watts, Jr. (R-Okla.) Remarks Before The National Rifle Association Annual Convention, Keynote Address Charlotte, N.C. May 20, 2000 Thank you very much. (free speech joke) It's very good to be back with my friends from the NRA. I'm sure there are a few Second Amendment Sisters here as well. Good work, ladies. I've said it publicly many times, and will say it once again: I am the NRA. I am proud of the principles you are fighting for. As is true of each of you, I make it a habit of citizenship to honor the entire Bill of Rights, not just the Amendments that happen to suit me. And let me restate once again that I stand completely and forever opposed to allowing the criminal element to destroy our liberties. These liberties, ensured by our Bill Of Rights, were properly recognized by our Founders as divine in origin, transcendent in nature, and beyond the political manipulations of beings even so powerful as talk show hostesses. My hope tonight is to talk about what I believe lies at the heart of our national violence problem, especially among our young people, and I also want to say a few words about the political debate raging over the issue of gun control. A debate that too often gets mired in superficial, simplistic arguments. But first, I want to address the cultural issues. In a word, I believe our problem stems from a bizarre mentality that breeds anger, hopelessness, despair, and sometimes murder. It is a bizarre mentality, but it is not an alien one. Quite the contrary. It is omnipresent and has, for many young people, replaced the mentality on which this nation was founded - a mentality that honored transcendent truth, personal responsibility, and duty to others. American democracy was created for self-governing individuals - people who did the right thing whether or not anyone else was watching. It was created for people who honored the golden rule not because it was a rule, but because they understood that it truly was golden. That mentality is under attack, and let me state my belief very plainly: If we lose our ability to teach our children individual self-restraint, public order can only be maintained by outside forces. In Washington last Sunday, we saw scores of thousands of Americans cry out for more laws. What they were really asking is for the government to protect us from ourselves. That mass demonstration held a very clear warning. There are many, many Americans who are eager to exchange their constitutional liberties for additional security. And that, my friends, represents a crisis in confidence in the American experiment. I now want to talk about what I believe are the most important contributors to the bizarre mentality that affects so many of our children, a mentality that is robbing them of the ability to develop into self-governing individuals. Let me be blunt. The first step we can take toward restoring our nation is for each of us to recognize that we, as individual citizens, have all too often drifted with the cultural tide that has brought us to this unhappy place. We have not, for example, reached out to the many lonely and direction-less kids in our communities, or even to our own kids. We have left the television on in order to entertain and babysit our children. We have succumbed to the easy role of trumpeting our beliefs at the expense of listening to others. We have fallen for the sound bite mentality, which is a poor substitute for personal reflection and responsible action. And as a nation, we have refused to accept the fact that we are now reaping what almost every one of us has sown. Make no mistake. We should not be surprised that some of our children are killing each other in our schools and on our streets. We should not be shocked that many of our children have no sense of purpose, and feel hopeless and empty even in this era of unprecedented plenty. We should not be surprised that, in the absence of the faith of our fathers, our children have adopted bizarre creeds, beliefs, and practices. We truly are reaping what we have sown. And it is a very bitter harvest. We have all played a role in getting us here, and we all have a role to play in taking us home. Let's look a bit more closely at how, we as a society, have created this bizarre mentality that affects so many of our children. First of all, we have cut children free from parental authority. When I was growing up, when a parent said they were going to cut a switch, you suddenly knew the meaning of the expression "hell to pay." Nowadays, a kid responds by threatening to dial 911. Parental rights have been seriously eroded in many other areas, including how their children are schooled. Parental authority has also been undermined by easy divorce and by public policies that have made fathers as rare as Steinway grand pianos in many inner city
[CTRL] U.S. Agrees to Total Nuclear Weapons Ban
[The new Republican President will have his work cut out for him. I understood this was a non-binding agreement. If it commits us, where is the Senate in all this? Don't they have a say in treaties? --MS] U.S. Agrees to Total Nuclear Weapons Ban NewsMax.com Sunday May 21, 2000 The United States agreed, for the first time since the explosion of the first atomic weapon in 1945, to totally eliminate its nuclear arsenal. The sweeping U.S. policy was made Saturday when the U.S. agreed with all other members of the U.N. Security Council to the worldwide elimination of nuclear weapons. The agreement had the full backing of the Clinton administration, and was endorsed by all five admitted nuclear powers -- the United States, Russia, Britain, France and China. U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Robert Einhorn led the U.S. team during the final negotiations. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, elated at the agreement, declared it ``marks a significant step forward in humanity's pursuit of a more peaceful world - a world free of nuclear dangers, a world with strengthened global norms for nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament.'' No date or schedule for the disarmament plans have been set. But the Clinton administration has committed the U.S. to the new agreement, a continuation of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. The new agreement signed Saturday demands the ``unequivocal undertaking by the nuclear-weapon states to accomplish the total elimination of their nuclear arsenals leading to nuclear disarmament.'' Other protocols will require the U.S. to: --make full disclosure of the nation's nuclear arsenal. --begin lowering the ``the operational status'' of weapons. --destroy nuclear warheads by first extracting plutonium and uranium from them. --agree to another treaty prohibiting the making of fissile materials for weapons. This latest agreement codifies Clinton administration policies that have sought to reduce and eliminate the U.S. nuclear stockpile. During the past eight years almost the entire U.S. tactical nuclear stockpile - which was estimated at approximately 10,000 weapons - has been destroyed. The administration has sought to greatly reduce the U.S. strategic nuclear stockpile, currently with 6000 warheads, to a modest 1500 warheads. Such moves have met with some resistance from the Pentagon. Previous Clinton administration directives, according to some critics, have increased U.S. vulnerability to a Russian nuclear strike. One Clinton directive ended the U.S. policy of "launch on warning" to one of "launch on destruction" - the U.S. can only launch a retaliatory strike against Russia or China if it confirms nuclear detonations on American soil. Other Clinton administration proposals have called for welding shut the missile hatch doors on nuclear submarines, and the removal of computer programs from land-based silos to locations 150 miles from the missile sites. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Elian Dressed in Communist Uniform at Wye: Photos
NewsMax.com Inside Cover Wednesday May 17, 2000; 9:06 AM EDT Elian Dressed in Communist Uniform at Wye: Photos The latest photographs from Maryland's Wye River Plantation show six-year-old Elian Gonzalez dressed in the uniform of the Pioneers, Cuba's communist youth league, prompting concerns that the boy's political reprogramming has begun on American soil. A series of pictures that appeared Tuesday on the website of Cuba's state run news service Granma show Gonzalez in a white shirt emblazoned with the image of Cuban patriot Jose Marti, with the Pioneer trademark blue scarf around his neck. Several other children, clad in identical communist youth league garb, are visible in other pictures released by Granma. Greg Craig, the lawyer for Elian's father and source for most of the Elian photos released since the boy was taken to Wye, chose not make these pictures public. Reaction in Miami's Cuban-American community was swift. "They did not even wait until he got to Cuba to start reconditioning him," Gladys Chong told The Miami Herald. "It seems communism has penetrated the United States," added her husband Ramon. In Cuba, first graders are expected to join the Pioneers and wear the uniform to school. If they don't their parents are ostracized, labeled counterrevolutionaries and are denied promotions at work, according to Jaime Suchlicki, director of the Cuban-American studies program at the University of Miami. Pioneers are also trained to spy on their parents and report any comments they might overhear against the Castro government; a practice that might put Elian in an emotional bind since his own mother died trying to defect. Reacting to the stunning photos Kendall Coffey, a lawyer for Elian's Miami relatives, told the Herald, "He's being paraded as a trophy in the garb of the Communist Party. It's happening more rapidly than even our worst expectations." But INS spokeswoman Maria Cardona was unconcerned. "It's not the INS's business what Elian wears on a daily basis. Those issues are up to his father." Justice Department spokeswoman Carole Florman tried to distance the agency from Granma's shocking Elian pictorial, telling the Herald, "That's not something we're involved in. I don't think it's an area under our control." View Granma's photos of A HREF="http://www.granma.cu/espanol/may3/fotos-e.html"a href=http://www.granma.cu/espanol/may3/fotos-e.html/AElian in his Pioneers Uniform/a. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHEMTRAILS - AN AIRLINE MANAGER'S STATEMENT
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Surfing The Apocalypse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AN AIRLINE MANAGER'S STATEMENT Posted by C.E. Carnicom on behalf of the author May 22 2000 http://www.carnicom.com/mgr1.htm Mr. Carnicom: I read the email you received from the anonymous mechanic and felt compelled to respond to it. I, too, work for an airline, though I work in upper management levels. I will not say which airline, what city I am located, nor what office I work for, for obvious reasons. I wish I could document everything I am about to relate to you, but to do so is next to impossible and would result in possible physical harm to me. The email from the anonymous mechanic rings true. Airline companies in America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned. About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with my by two officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one. They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft. When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them, they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to be done at all costs. When we asked them why didn't they just rig military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these chemicals into the atmosphere. Then someone asked why all the secrecy was needed. The government reps then stated that if the general public knew that the aircraft they were flying on were releasing chemicals into the air, environmentalist groups would raise hell and demand the spraying stop. Someone asked one of the G-men then if the chemicals are harmless, why not tell the public what the chemicals are and why we are spraying them? He seemed perturbed at this question and told us in a tone of authority that the public doesn't need to know what's going on, but that this program is in their best interests. He also stated that we should not tell anyone, nor ask any more questions about it. With that, the briefing was over. All documents in our office pertaining to Project Cloverleaf are kept in locked safes. Nobody is allowed to take these documents out of the office. Very few employees are allowed access to these documents, and they remain tight-lipped about what the documents say. Mr. Carnicom, I am no fool. I know there's something going on. And frankly, I am scared. I feel a high level of guilt that I have been aware of this kind of operation but unable to tell anyone. It's been eating away at me, knowing that the company I work for may be poisoning the American people. I hope this letter will open some eyes to what's happening. Again, I wish I could give you documented information, but you have to understand why I must remain totally anonymous. Thank you. --- End forwarded message --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Buy some gas, bomb a village
Buy some gas, bomb a village Every time you fill your gas tank, you are helping Russia buy a nuclear missile. Bill Clinton is trying to leave a legacy, and Al Gore is trying to get elected. The combination of Bill and Al has raised world oil prices to finance a new round of the arms race. In the May 5 article titled "Clinton approves oil-price hikes" on Clinton energy policy and nation security, Vice President Al Gore is incorrectly quoted as saying, "I think the reason is because we more or less asked the organization of petroleum producing countries to raise oil prices in helping Russia develop its economy." According to a transcript of the event, Sen. Bill Bradley made the statement in answer to a question from Bernard Shaw. The detailed transcript of answers from both Bradley and Gore sheds light on Clinton's oil diplomacy and its deadly results: SHAW: Now, Sen. Bradley, for you, an Internet question from CNN.com: We sent our armed forces to the Persian Gulf in 1991 to return a country to its owners. Now we see higher gas prices. What will you do to insure this does not happen again? BRADLEY: Well I can't quite tell what the question means. In 1991, we did fight the Persian Gulf War. We did win. And now gas prices are very high -- the highest they've been. And I think the reason they're high now is because we more or less asked OPEC to raise oil prices in hopes of helping Russia be able to sell its oil on the international market, make more foreign exchange and be able to develop its economy. I think that now in California and across this country, oil prices are skyrocketing and we need action. Frankly, we needed action about six months ago. We needed to release the oil from the strategic petroleum reserve, something I built from 10 million barrels to 57 -- or 10 days of supply to 57 days of supply. But more importantly, we need to go to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, those countries that we defended in the Gulf War, and need to tell them to increase their oil production. We needed to tell them to increase their oil production six months ago in order to prevent the price increases that-- SHAW: Time. BRADLEY: -- that we're now experiencing. GORE: Secretary of Energy Bill Richardson just completed a tour of the Middle East and we have been in communication, in this administration, with the OPEC countries and frankly, Kuwait, which was freed from Iraqi domination during the Persian Gulf War, has responded very positively. And if you've been reading the public signals from Saudi Arabia, they have too. But frankly, we can get much more done on this the less we talk about it in public. One thing we haven't done is take the strategic petroleum reserve off the table. I also worked on that legislation. I was in the House of Representatives at the time while Bill was in the Senate in those years. Now, we also need to get busy and develop alternative fuels. More energy efficiency. A whole new generation of vehicles that will rely on technologies like fuel cells to cut way down on the pollution and have much more efficiency. Clearly, Gore's oil reply centers on the recent trip by Energy Secretary Richardson to the Middle East. According to a Washington Post article, U.S. Energy Secretary Bill Richardson visited Saudi Arabia in February 1999 when prices were at their lowest. Richardson reportedly pressed Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi on the "oversupplied market" and expressed concern about "extreme price volatility." Former Saudi minister Sheik Ahmed Zaki Yamani told a Houston oil conference that Richardson had "saved the oil industry," during that visit, because his "intervention" had "persuaded" the Saudis to change policy by raising prices. After Richardson's visit, Petroleum Intelligence Weekly, an industry newsletter, quoted Saudi officials as wanting "a WTI (West Texas
[CTRL] Patche's stance on tort reform mau soon shift
From: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/carr05192000.htm Patches' stance on tort reform may soon shift by Howie Carr Friday, May 19, 2000 Pity poor Patches Kennedy. Always the runt of the litter, never the sharpest knife in the drawer, now the Boy Congressman from Rhode Island is really confused. He thought these people were his friends. And after all he's done for them. I mean, if a Kennedy, a member of the House Democratic leadership, can't rely on rapacious tort lawyers and women of color to do the right thing, well, what exactly is this world coming to? It appears now that Patches Kennedy is going to be sued, just because he pushed somebody. But now she's looking for . . . six figures. Say, $210,000. I throw that number out because it's easy to divide into thirds - $140,000 for Granny and $70,000 for her attorney, mouthpiece Mallory. Oh, the multiple ironies in this Patches Kennedy hate crime, which is exactly what this would be called if a Republican congressman had attacked a woman, and not just any woman, either. The victim is an African-American woman. An elderly (well, 58) African-American woman. That's three protected classes - it's a triple hate crime. Oh yeah, and after 11 years on the job at LAX, Della is making only $9.64 an hour. That makes her poor, and now Patches is angrier than ever. He voted for the increase in the minimum wage, gosh darn it. Where's the gratitude? ``I've said I'm sorry for the last time,'' he says, sounding like Dick Armey. ``Enough is enough, and I'm not going to become a human ATM machine.'' Well, Patches, now perhaps you can understand how taxpayers feel about you and your Dad using us as an ATM for all your crackpot schemes to expand the non-working classes. As soon as he finished battering Granny, Patches went straight to the Clinton playbook. First he denied everything. Then, when he found out there was videotape, he apologized. Now he's surly. Why can't we all just get along? How great is it that Patches was busted as he returned from a fund-raiser for the House Democratic leadership? He and Gephardt and Rangel and the rest of these pandering pols have been running around the country, shaking down, among others, trial lawyers, by promising to fight off all Republican risky schemes, most especially including any attempt to enact tort reform. Those evil Republicans - they want to reduce the number of frivolous lawsuits. How dare they, Patches would thunder - well squeak, anyway. Now Patches is about to be the defendant in a frivolous lawsuit. What goes around, comes around. Is there no honor among thieves? Clint Eastwood was in D.C. yesterday, testifying before Congress about the lucrative new racket that Patches' fat cat lawyer pals have developed, suing small businesses for exorbitant sums under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Do you think Patches listened to Dirty Harry's arguments a little less dismissively after his brush with the ambulance-chaser bar? Patches' hate crime at LAX is even affecting his bloated Papa. If Jack E. Robinson III can limp over the 10,000-signature requirement, Teddy will not be able to challenge enough of them to knock him off the ballot. One attack on a black person could be an aberration. Twice, it becomes what the feds call a pattern. The RICO statute kicks in. Still, despite Patches' crash course in reality, I still don't think he gets it. Why else would he insist on releasing the LAX surveillance video? First of all, his ``carry-on'' was larger than the state he represents in Congress. Not a good way to win sympathy with the American flying public. Secondly, he shoves the woman but somehow believes he comes across well. Doesn't he have any clue about the jury pool he's trying to taint? If this goes to trial, they'll be drawing jurors from the same population that acquitted O.J. Simpson. Don't settle, Patches, demand a jury trial in South Central L.A. As your new ally Clint Eastwood would say, `Do you feel lucky, punk?' Go ahead, Patches, make her day. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time
[CTRL] London Times: Gun Law Protest Backfires
London Times-May 19, 2000 Gun law protest backfires FROM DAMIAN WHITWORTH IN NEW YORK A SURGE in support for tighter gun control laws has resulted in record numbers joining the National Rifle Association, America's most powerful pro-gun group. The NRA has seen membership leap to a record 3.6 million after 200,000 people joined in the past six weeks, apparently in response to renewed public support for gun control, which culminated in last week's Million Mom March in Washington. While there may be popular support for stricter gun control in the wake of a string of school shootings, those on the other side of the debate have also hardened their stance. The NRA, which opposes calls to license gun owners and to register weapons, has countered with a huge television advertising campaign. In one advert, Charlton Heston, the actor and NRA president, as good as called President Clinton a liar. A new legion of gun owners rallied to the cause and $10 million (£6.7 million) poured into the organisation's coffers for use in defending what the organisation sees as attacks on its members' constitutional rights. Despite much publicity for those who support what are in reality relatively moderate changes to gun laws, the power of the NRA should not be underestimated. "The NRA is the most influential single-issue lobbying group in America," Brian Morton, of the campaign group Handgun Control, told USA Today. A Bill to require checks on those who buy firearms at gun shows is stalled in Congress because of the entrenched opposition of NRA supporters. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AP: FBI Memo Cites Fund Probe Pressure
FBI Memo Cites Fund Probe Pressure By John Solomon Associated Press Writer Thursday, May 18, 2000; 8:47 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON FBI Director Louis Freeh wrote a memo in the earliest days of the Democratic fund-raising investigation suggesting a top Justice Department official was under pressure not to proceed with the probe to save Attorney General Janet Reno's job. The memo, belatedly turned over to Senate investigators this week, also discloses that Freeh urged Reno and Justice Department public integrity chief Lee Radek to step aside from the investigation as early as December 1996 because of purported comments made by Radek. The memo was described to The Associated Press by several government officials who have seen it since the FBI turned it over to be produced to the Senate and House Judiciary committees investigating the fund-raising matter. In the Dec. 9, 1996 memo to Deputy FBI Director William J. Esposito, Freeh recounted, third-hand, comments Radek allegedly made to Esposito suggesting he was being pressured in connection with the investigation into Democratic fund-raising improprieties during President Clinton's 1996 re-election. Freeh's memo quotes Radek as telling Esposito he was "under a lot of pressure not to go forward with the investigation" because Reno's job "might hang in the balance," the officials said. At the time, there were reports speculating in Washington on whether Reno, who requested the Whitewater independent counsel investigation, would serve a second term as attorney general. She steadfastly resisted an independent prosecutor for fund-raising, but has named a total of seven independent counsels to investigate the president and his administration at times angering Clinton's supporters. Freeh wrote Esposito that he met with Reno and told her about Radek's purported comments and suggested "on that basis" both Radek and Reno should step aside from the investigation, the officials said. Reached late Thursday, Radek said he never was under pressure to scrap the investigation to help Reno and did not recall ever making such comments to Esposito. "I have no recollection of ever saying I was under pressure because the attorney general's job hung in the balance. Nor is it something I would have said because it has no basis in fact," Radek said in a prepared statement. FBI spokesman John Collinwood declined comment. Justice Department spokesman Myron Marlin said: "This attorney general has never let her own self-interest color her own decision making. She bases her decisions on the law and the facts." The emergence of the Freeh memo comes at a sensitive time for the FBI and Justice Department, whose relations have been strained by very public disputes over the investigations into China espionage and fund raising. Law enforcement officials told AP that Reno has received an internal report on the government's handling of the case of nuclear lab scientist Wen Ho Lee that criticizes both agencies. The sources, who spoke only on condition of anonymity, said the report by prosecutor Randy Bellows blames the FBI for not providing enough oversight and resources into the early part of the investigation when leads of Lee's possible spying for China emerged. After months of suggestions that Lee would be indicted for China espionage, the scientist was charged last December with lesser offenses of removing nuclear secrets from the Los Alamos lab with no suggestion he gave them to China. The Bellows report sides with the FBI on one issue that the Justice Department had enough grounds to approve a warrant for electronic surveillance in the Lee case, the officials said. Justice had rejected the FBI's request, angering its agents. But the Bellows report adds that the FBI did not provide the department with all the information it collected that could have helped in the decision. The Freeh memo involving the fund-raising issue emerges more than two years after Congress first began reviewing the conduct and quality of the criminal fund-raising investigation, in which several Democratic donors and fund-raisers have been convicted. Officials said the FBI did not disclose the existence of the memo to Justice officials until late last month and that it wasn't turned over to Senate investigators until this week. Lawmakers mostly have focused on debates within Justice and the FBI in 1997, 1998 and 1999 to name an independent prosecutor to take over the probe of Clinton and Vice President Al Gore's fund-raising activities. Freeh and the former head of the Justice task force that ran the investigation both have acknowledged they fervently argued later in the investigation for appointment of a special prosecutor, but Reno turned them down. But Freeh's memo provides the first evidence that such arguments dated to the very beginning of the investigation in late 1996 and were based in part on concerns about possible political pressures. According to the officials' description of the
[CTRL] Latest Clinton Body Count
From: http://www.ardemgaz.com/today/ark/A1yclinton19.html Clinton Body Count http://etherzone.com/body.html Arkansas Democrat-Gazette Friday, May 19, 2000 Six are left to determine license case of Clinton By MICHAEL ROWETT Five more members of the Arkansas Supreme Court committee that will decide whether President Clinton keeps his Arkansas law license have recused from participating in the matter, committee officials confirmed Thursday. The latest recusals were from Committee on Professional Conduct members Bart Virden of Morrilton and Dr. Patricia Youngdahl of Little Rock and Alternate Committee on Professional Conduct members Dr. Rose Word of Pine Bluff, Rita Mitchell-Harvey of Little Rock and Harry Truman Moore of Paragould. These recusals bring to eight the number of recusals out of the combined committees' membership of 14. Members of the alternate committee normally substitute for regular committee members who recuse themselves from a matter or are unavailable. Three lawyer members of the alternate committee will serve with the three remaining members of the regular committee to make a panel of six, regular committee Chairman Ken Reeves of Harrison, a lawyer, said Thursday. He said the latest recusals came several months ago, but he wasn't sure of the dates. Committee Executive Director James A. Neal of Little Rock declined to provide copies of any recusal letters but confirmed that Virden, Youngdahl, Word and Mitchell-Harvey had recused. Moore, a lawyer, said Thursday that he accepted the state Supreme Court's appointment to the alternate committee with the understanding that he would recuse from the Clinton matter. The committee meets today, but the session is closed to the public and the agenda is not disclosed. Neither Reeves nor Neal would comment on whether it is about the Clinton matter. Under rules governing the committee, a quorum of four members is required to conduct business. A vote to sanction Clinton would require support from four of the six members who will consider the matter. If the committee votes to impose a caution, a reprimand, a suspension or disbarment, the decision would not be announced by the committee for at least 30 days, but either Clinton or the foundation that filed the complaint against Clinton could release it earlier, Reeves said. Youngdahl, a psychologist, and Virden, a lawyer, have contributed $1,925 and $625, respectively, to the campaigns of Democratic candidates or the Arkansas Democratic Party, according to a review of federal campaign contribution databases by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Moore replaces David Solomon, a Helena lawyer, whose term expired in March. Solomon contributed $1,000 to Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign and $2,250 to other Democratic candidates over 10 years. A review of contribution databases Thursday by the Democrat-Gazette showed that Moore has contributed $5,200 to Democratic candidates and campaign committees since 1992. Moore's contributions include $500 to Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign, $1,000 to Clinton's 1996 campaign and $1,000 to Vice President Gore's 2000 presidential bid. "I knew questions would come up about my past connections and contributions to Clinton because I've been a longtime Clinton supporter," Moore said. "I didn't feel it would be appropriate for me to participate in this matter." No campaign contributions were reported for Mitchell-Harvey, owner of a women's clothing store, or Word, whose occupation wasn't available. Matthew Glavin, president of the Southeastern Legal Foundation of Atlanta, which filed the original ethics complaint in September 1998 seeking the president's disbarment, commended the members who recused. The complaint filed by the committee against Clinton in February is based on the foundation's complaint and an April 1999 referral from Chief U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright of Little Rock. "It is heartening to know that Arkansas committee members who have recused themselves for apparent or perceived political reasons are helping to maintain the integrity of this process," Glavin said. "It is especially gratifying to see that attorneys on the committee, who are held to a higher ethical standard, are recusing themselves despite the absence of any obvious political taint. We believe these actions will help keep this process above reproach," he said. Virden said his contributions to Democratic congressional candidates Blanche Lincoln and Vic Snyder had nothing to do with his decision to recuse. He said he recused out of concern for the committee's reputation for integrity, which he said has been unfairly questioned by the foundation and in Democrat-Gazette editorials calling for Virden and others who contributed to Democratic causes to recuse. "There are two reasons, in a nutshell," Virden said. "One is, I didn't want to provide any kind of further ammunition for [the foundation]
[CTRL] Gertz: Russia sends cruise missiles to China for new warships
BILL GERTZ THE WASHINGTON TIMES May 19, 2000 Russia sends cruise missiles to China for new warships Russia recently delivered the first shipment of supersonic cruise missiles to China for a new missile destroyer and more of the weapons will be sent later this year, Pentagon officials said yesterday. The deployment of the 24 SSN- 22 anti-ship cruise missiles on a Chinese Sovremenny-class destroyer is the most significant recent weapons development by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) naval forces, according to Navy officials. The missile shipment was sent by a manufacturer from the Pacific port of Vladivostok to China within the past several weeks, said officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The missiles will be deployed on China's new Sovremenny-class guided-missile destroyer, the first of two advanced warships bought by the PLA navy. The first guided-missile destroyer sailed to China earlier this year without the sea-skimming anti-ship missiles. A second delivery of the high-speed missiles is expected in the next several months, the officials said. Naval officials told The Washington Times the cruise-missile destroyer represents a major boost in Chinese surface warship firepower. ``The Sovremenny arrival is obviously the big issue that really did change the capability of the surface force,'' one official said. The arrival of the first missiles, known as Sunburns, was reported to senior officials in intelligence reports yesterday. Details were disclosed by two Russian news agencies on Monday and Tuesday. The missile delivery comes at an awkward time for the Clinton administration as it seeks to lobby Congress for passage of a trade bill to help China. The president has said improving trade relations with China will boost U.S. national security. The administration last month also refused to authorize the sale to Taiwan of four Aegis radar-equipped missile destroyers and high-speed anti-radiation missiles that could be used by Taiwan's forces to counter the new warships. Taiwan arms sales have been blocked by pro-China officials at the White House and State Department who fear U.S. transfers will upset Beijing. Russian weapons designers originally built the SSN-22 for the Soviet Navy to use against U.S. warships during the Cold War. The missile has a range of between 80 and 85 miles. Its supersonic speed is what makes the missile a major threat. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican and sponsor of a bill to punish Russia for the missile transfers, said the anti-ship missiles could be used against Americans in the future. ``The Chinese communists now have the ability to sink American aircraft carriers and kill thousands of Americans,'' Mr. Rohrabacher said in an interview. ``If they ever decide to use these weapons, the American people have a right to ask who's to blame. But maybe we should ask that question before Americans start dying.'' A bill sponsored by Mr. Rohrabacher passed the House International Relations Committee two weeks ago that would block any U.S. debt relief for the Russian government if future Sunburn missile sales are not stopped. The full House could vote on the measure in the next several weeks. Richard Fisher, a specialist on the Chinese military with the Jamestown Foundation, said Russia's delivery of the missile weeks after the Clinton administration's rejection of guided missile ships to Taiwan is ``a humiliation on top of a retreat.'' ``From Eisenhower to Bush, the operative American policy was to promote deterrence on the Taiwan Strait by selling Taiwan's military a technical edge over the PRC,'' Mr. Fisher said. ``In the year 2000, the Clinton administration has abandoned this long-standing U.S. policy and has decreased deterrence for the foreseeable future.'' Mr. Fisher said Taiwan's navy currently is defenseless against the supersonic cruise missile deployed on the new Chinese warship. ``It has no defensive system that can take out this missile besides a pre-emptive attack on the destroyer itself, which increases instability on the Taiwan Strait,'' he said. As for U.S. ships, any Navy ships operating outside the protection of aircraft carrier battle groups or Aegis ships ``are dead meat for the Sunburn.'' The Navy officials said the purchase of Russian warships and advanced missiles is part of a buildup of naval forces by Beijing in case it decides to use force against Taiwan, which the communist government views as a Chinese province. ``I don't think the Chinese military is in a big hurry to deal with Taiwan militarily,'' one official said. However, if a conflict erupts, China's military
[CTRL] Ignorance of Freedom
Thomas Sowell May 18, 2000 Ignorance of freedom Five years ago, there was great consternation when the Supreme Court ruled that carrying a gun near a school was not interstate commerce. On May 15, 2000, there was great consternation when the Supreme Court ruled that rape was not interstate commerce. It is a sign of how twisted the law has become that each of these common sense rulings was by a narrow 5 to 4 majority. While the 1995 case involved a federal law against carrying a gun within a certain distance of a school, this year's case involved a woman suing two men for rape under a federal law. Neither case was about whether the law was good or bad. The cases were about Constitutional limits on the powers of the federal government -- and all our freedoms depend upon maintaining those limits. The feds have been getting around the Constitutional limits by claiming to be regulating interstate commerce. But the Supreme Court didn't buy it. Rape is already illegal in every state. What the recent ruling said in effect was: You are in the wrong courthouse, lady. Sue those so-and-so's in the state courthouse down the street. State courts have the power to do everything up to and including executing people, so sending a case to a state court is no wrist slap. Why does it matter whether a case is tried in a federal court or a state or local court? It matters because a concentration of power is dangerous. The people who wrote the Constitution of the United States understood that -- and feared that -- even if too many of us today do not. The familiar division of federal power among the President, the Congress and the Supreme Court was just the beginning. The Constitution also made it possible to impeach anybody who abused his power. In addition, the crucial 10th Amendment to the Constitution said that the federal government had the power to do only what it was specifically authorized to do, while the people or the states could do whatever they were not specifically forbidden to do. This was understood for about 150 years. Then, during the heady days of the New Deal, the federal government's power to regulate interstate commerce was stretched to include virtually anything that the politicians in Washington chose to regulate. In one case, the federal government's agricultural laws were applied to a man who grew his own food in his own backyard. The rationale was that he indirectly affected interstate commerce, because otherwise he might have bought food shipped across state lines. As the years went by, the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution was used repeatedly to circumvent the 10th Amendment. It was very clever -- and very dangerous, because it took down the fence that the Constitution had put around federal power. Perhaps worse, people began to judge Supreme Court decisions by whether those decisions helped or hurt policies that those people favored or opposed. The whole idea that the courts were there to maintain the framework of law -- on which everyone's freedom depends -- got lost in the shuffle. When the Supreme Court ruled in 1995 that carrying a gun near a school was not interstate commerce, there was consternation because it was the first time in decades that the high court had said that you couldn't just put "interstate commerce" on everything, like ketchup. Much of the outrage against this decision was based on people's thinking that the court was
[CTRL] AP: Justice Said Pressured on Fund Probe
Justice Said Pressured on Fund Probe By John Solomon Associated Press Writer Thursday, May 18, 2000; 8:29 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON FBI Director Louis Freeh wrote a memo in the earliest days of the Democratic fund-raising investigation suggesting a top Justice Department official was under pressure not to proceed with the probe to save Attorney General Janet Reno's job. The memo, belatedly turned over to Senate investigators this week, also discloses that Freeh urged Reno and Justice Department public integrity chief Lee Radek to step aside from the investigation as early as December 1996 because of purported comments made by Radek. The memo was described to The Associated Press by several government officials. They had seen it since the FBI turned it over to the Justice Department to produce to the Senate and House Judiciary committees investigating the fund-raising matter. © Copyright 2000 The Associated Press = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AP: 7 Bow Out of Clinton Disbarment Case
7 Bow Out of Clinton Disbarment Case by KELLY P. KISSEL Associated Press Writer LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) -- Half the members of a state panel with the power to strip President Clinton of his law license have bowed out of the case. The recusals leave barely enough members to consider whether to discipline him for lying under oath in the Paula Jones sexual harassment case. The 14-member Arkansas Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct meets Friday and could consider two requests that Clinton be disciplined. The committee did not say Thursday why any of the seven committee members removed themselves. Four had contributed to Clinton's presidential campaigns or to other Democratic Party candidates. ''It is heartening to know that Arkansas Committee members who have recused themselves for apparent or perceived political reasons are helping to maintain the integrity of this process,'' said Matthew Glavin, president of the Southeastern Legal Foundation of Atlanta, which filed one of the two complaints. The committee also lost an alternate member when his term expired this spring, leaving five lawyers and a lay person, Chairman Ken Reeves said Thursday. Four votes are needed to impose sanctions. The foundation and U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright referred Clinton to the conduct committee, saying the president lied under oath in the Jones case by denying he had a sexual relationship with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. Wright also cited Clinton for civil contempt last year and fined him $90,000 for giving ''intentionally false'' testimony. Glavin has said he wants Clinton disbarred for the lies and for obstructing justice. Wright has not publicly suggested a penalty. Clinton seeks something no harsher than a letter of reprimand, Glavin said last week, citing Clinton's still-unreleased response. AP-NY-05-18-00 1729EDT = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AP: Kudges Probe Clinton Letter Release
Judges Probe Clinton Letter Release May 18, 2000 Filed at 12:29 p.m. EDT By The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court today sharply questioned a judge's ruling that President Clinton committed a crime in releasing friendly letters from a woman who accused him of groping her. But the appeals court expressed strong doubts that it will intervene now, as the White House wants, in the lawsuit that spawned the ruling against Clinton. With the Clinton administration urging the three-judge panel to step into the case, Appeals Judge Harry Edwards said the Justice Department and ``this White House and all White Houses'' for more than two decades have said the type of action Clinton took is not a violation of law. The Privacy Act does not cover the Executive Office of the President, previous administrations have concluded. ``How could there be intent'' on the president's part to break the law in view of the previous discussions? asked Edwards. Appeals Judge David Tatel, a Clinton appointee, said ``the plain language'' of the law suggests that the Privacy Act does not cover the president and his top advisers. However, Edwards, a Carter appointee, and Appeals Judge Douglas Ginsburg, a Reagan appointee, suggested the issue could be dealt with on appeal when the lawsuit ends. ``What is the harm'' to the White House with letting the lower court decision stand for now? asked Ginsburg. It might chill discussions between the president and his top advisers because the March 29 ruling by U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth, a Reagan appointee, pierces the attorney-client privilege between the president and his White House lawyers, Justice Department lawyer William Schultz told the appeals court. Edwards was dismissive of Schultz's argument that there were broad implications for Lamberth's ruling. ``Your concern has to be focused on this case,'' Edwards told the Clinton administration lawyer. Lamberth found that Clinton ``had the requisite intent for committing a criminal violation of the Privacy Act'' when he authorized the release of the letters in the midst of the 1998 criminal investigation that led to his impeachment and acquittal. In an emergency appeal, the Clinton administration is asking the appeals court to set aside Lamberth's ruling. It is highly unusual for appeals courts to involve themselves in cases before they are disposed of. Lamberth's ruling came in pretrial proceedings in the lawsuit by Reagan and Bush administration appointees over the Clinton White House's gathering of hundreds of FBI background files on Republican officials. The judge gave the conservative group Judicial Watch, which is representing the former officials, wide latitude in exploring whether the White House routinely gathered and released damaging information about opponents. Kathleen Willey's correspondence with the president was seen by White House aides as undercutting her allegation that he made an unwanted sexual advance. Much of her correspondence with Clinton came after the alleged 1993 incident. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Criss Matthews Worries About White House File
Newsmax-Inside Cover Wednesday May 17, 2000 9:11 PM EST Chris Matthews Worried About White House File Allegations that the Clinton White House has been using confidential government files - including FBI files - is not new. In 1996 it was discovered that at least 1,000 FBI files on Republicans from previous administrations had found their way to Craig Livingstone's Xerox machine. Bureaucratic snafu? Washington whispers say the Clintons beat impeachment charges and staved off Chinagate, FBI Filegate, Travelgate and other scandals by using files to blackmail political opponents, particularly in Congress. Perhaps they have used them against media opponents, too. Larry Klayman, chairman of Judicial Watch, told NewsMax.com that while the Lewinsky scandal was exploding, he received a call from CNBC "Hardball" host Chris Mathhews. Matthews, Klayman said, explained that he knew of Klayman's law suit against the White House for using the confidential FBI files. "I think they have a file on me," Matthews told Klayman. Matthews, a former Democratic congressional aide, has been a critic of the Clintons. Klayman said Matthews seemed "very concerned and frightened" and asked Klayman to keep an eye out for any information he uncovered that might prove the White House did have a file on him. Klayman reports he never did learn of such a file. For sure, Matthews has rattled the Clintons' cage a bit, but not too much, Klayman believes. Klayman said he ran into Matthews at the recent White House Correspondents Dinner and that he looked "white as a ghost" upon seeing Klayman. He apparently was uncomfortable being seen with the White House's chief legal antagonist. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Top FBI Expert: Reno Should Have Been Fired
Top FBI Expert: Reno Should Have Been Fired NewsMax.com Thursday, May 18, 2000 The FBIs former top hostage negotiator instructor says that the Miami raid to seize Elian by federal agents was "unwarranted" and should have led to firing Attorney General Janet Reno. "The raid was unwarranted. It violated everything that is taught by the FBI in handling situations like this," explained Robert K. Ressler. Ressler served with the FBI for 20 years and in law enforcement for more than four decades. He is a best-selling author and frequent media commentator. Ressler said he has heard through his "grapevine" of bureau contacts that the FBI opposed the raid and declined to participate after being invited to do so by Reno. Resslers work for hostage negotiation training has been the FBIs model since the 1970s. He has worked with law enforcement in Britain, France, Germany and other countries worldwide to develop similar programs. He is also a noted FBI psychological profiler. "Reno went in with overkill, with a show of force," Ressler said, believing the raid was meant more to send a message to the Cuban-American community than to simply gain custody of the child. "The Cuban-Americans showed great restraint. Considering what the federal government did, you could have had a disaster with many people killed." According to Ressler, in no way could the standoff between the family and the federal government be considered a hostage situation. "The federal government and Reno went berserk," he said. He described how Reno and the Justice Department violated every cardinal rule in crisis handling: * Reno didnt let negotiations run their course. Negotiations have to be exhausted before the government escalates. According to impartial mediators, negotiations were continuing. Force is a last resort. Reno has still not explained what time constraint demanded risking lives with force. * Renos deception was a dangerous precedent. Though negotiations were ongoing, Reno deceived the Miami family by sending in armed agents. Her deceit and failure to negotiate in good faith will set a dangerous precedent, according to Ressler. "In the future, if there is a real hostage situation involving Cuban-Americans in the Miami area, they will not believe the government during negotiations, and this could lead to disaster. Honesty is the best policy. You only break your word if there is imminent danger to someone. Id really like to see the ATF, FBI, Secret Service handle the next incident down there successfully." * Reno used excessive force. Ressler said the use of more than 130 agents to make the raid means only one thing: The federal government decided to make a statement to the community by using a "show of force. The amount of force had no relation to the risks involved. Had he been in charge, he would have followed textbook rules for dealing with such situations. Ressler said he would have first used minimal force. "I would have sent just two marshals, wearing suits, with briefcases, and maybe with a social worker to collect the child," Ressler said. If that effort failed or resistance was met, only then should the government have escalated. Ressler argued that Renos actions could have led to a loss of life. Ressler called Justice Department claims that some people in and around the home may have had guns "ludicrous." In America, he said, there are almost as many guns as people, so that is not a reason for government officials to abuse their power. "Her judgment has proven to be so poor time and time again," Ressler said, wondering how Reno has held on to her job as the countrys top law enforcement officer. He noted Renos mishandling at Waco that led to the death of 86 civilians, her oversight in the government attempt to frame Richard Jewell, and the Justice Departments improper investigation of the Ruby Ridge case. "The photo [of the agent seizing the boy at gunpoint] said everything. Its amazing to me that this can happen in America, to have civilian rights trampled on, and for no one in the media or Congress wanting to hold Reno accountable. Its very frightening to me," Ressler said. Ressler added that he would not be surprised if civilians injured during the unwarranted raid have successful civil suits against the government. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed.
[CTRL] Wash Times: English Fluency Soars in Los Angeles Schools
[I remember when this initiative was on the ballot. Those radical liberals who opposed it claimed the sky would fall down, and worse. To me it just made good sense. If somone cannot be fluent in English in this country, that person is basically condemned to be on the absolute lowest position on the totem pole. --MS] May 18, 2000 English fluency soars in Los Angeles schools By Andrea Billups THE WASHINGTON TIMES A record number of non-English-speaking students in the Los Angeles Unified School District have become fluent in English, prompting supporters of California's Proposition 227 initiative to claim victory. Figures released earlier this month by the 690,000-student school system sued recently for failure to provide adequate services to its students show the highest annual increase in students achieving English fluency since the system began keeping data on their progress. From December 1998 to December 1999, more than 32,000 of the state's 313,442 "English learners" were reclassified as fluent, according to the district's language acquisition branch. "The results are positive and, I believe, cause for celebration," said Ramon Cortines, Los Angeles' interim superintendent of schools. "Particularly encouraging is the fact that the greatest increase is occurring before the students leave elementary school." Two years ago, California voters approved Proposition 227, which mandated that state public schools teach non-English-speaking students primarily in English until they are fluent. Fluency means a student can understand and complete lessons taught in English, the Los Angeles district says. The students are evaluated by teachers and must meet certain standards in reading, writing, listening and speaking before they are reclassified. Of the students who have become fluent, more than 19,000 were in kindergarten through fifth grade, the district said. Forty percent of those who are now deemed fluent were in fifth grade. That, said Mr. Cortines, is crucial, because it means most of the newly fluent students will spend the majority of their school years in "mainstream" English classes taught at their appropriate grade levels. Sheri Annis, spokeswoman for English for the Children, the California group led by entrepreneur Ron Unz that sponsored Proposition 227, said she was not surprised by the results. "It's a no-brainer," she said of the Los Angeles school district's success. When students are taught only in English, "they learn the language, and therefore are able to succeed on the state's standardized tests." "We see this as a positive step toward full implementation of English immersion programs as called for under Prop 227," she said. Before the English-only initiative was passed by California voters, bilingual programs permeated the Los Angeles school district, the state's largest. Limited-English-speaking children made up 45 percent of the student population, Miss Annis said. "Now we're seeing that certain classrooms are switching over and at least defaulting toward English, rather than Spanish. This accounts for the stronger transition rate to mainstream English classrooms," she said. Other school systems, particularly those in the San Francisco area but many sprinkled throughout the state, have been slow to follow through on Proposition 227's provisions, which Miss Annis believes will hurt children in the long term. If students are speaking Spanish at home, for example, schools ought to teach them English because they cannot get those skills from their families, she said. Children who become fluent ultimately will benefit "because they will be able to compete on their SAT scores and simply get a better-paying job, and have much more opportunity in general." The school system has focused its efforts on training more teachers to effectively instruct non-English-speaking students, and has implemented other measures designed to reduce class size and improve reading skills. While Miss Annis was hopeful, proponents of Proposition 227 said it was likely too soon to gauge whether the law should receive sole credit for the turnaround in Los Angeles. Proponents, however, conceded that the news in Los Angeles was encouraging and perhaps a sign that students whose native language was not English would not be hurt by English immersion, as they had argued when the law was before voters. "Of course I think it's positive that scores didn't crash, but is it really working? It's too soon to tell,"Theresa Fay-Bustillos, vice president of legal programs for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, told the Los Angeles Daily News. Her group opposed Proposition 227. Mrs. Fay-Bustillos questioned whether students would be able to use their newly acquired language skills as they move into more difficult course work in the higher grades. "What you're going to witness in a classroom is verbal fluency," she told the Daily News. "But
[CTRL] Chemtrails over Desert Storm
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ([EMAIL PROTECTED] 24 May 2000 Subject: Chemtrails over Desert Storm --- Forwarded message follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Buyea) Click at bottom to see Chemtrails over Saudi Arabia and Iraq during Desert Storm War 1991, From a weather satellite !! After you get there scroll down six screens. http://www.neosoft.com/~cshramek/ --- End of forwarded message --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NEW WHITE HOUSE WHISTLE BLOWER CLAIMS INTIMIDATION
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: American Patriot Friends Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "\"American Patriot Friends Network\"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NEW WHITE HOUSE WHISTLE BLOWER CLAIMS INTIMIDATION Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 5:55 PM NEW WHITE HOUSE WHISTLE BLOWER CLAIMS INTIMIDATION Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:29:59 -0400 From: "Steven Hoffman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION OF KATHLEEN GALLANT I, Kathleen Gallant, hereby state as follows: 1. I have personal knowledge of the matters attested to herein. 2. From January 12, 1998 through October 13,1998, I was the Associate Director for the Information Systems and Technology Division (IST) of the Executive Office of the President's Office of Administration (OA). This position was a political appointment. Among my duties, I was responsible for the operational support for many of the computer systems for the EOP. I currently run an $85 million major business group of an information technology company in Northern Virginia with annual revenues of $500 million and approximately 4500 employees. 3. In approximately June 1998, I came to learn of Project X, or the "Mail2" problem, which was the failure of the Automated Records Management System (ARMS) to capture incoming Internet e-mail to White House staff, which resided on the Mail2 computer server. I learned in June 1998 that the problem with the email began in August 1996. As a result, this incoming email, which numbered in the hundreds of thousands, was not searched by the ARMS system in response to subpoenas and document requests. I personally never saw any emails nor was I aware that any had been printed or shown to anyone. 4. I also understand from the public record that Mark Lindsay of OA has also been alleged to have made threats to the contractors over Project X in order to keep it secret. Based on my experience in working with them, I am confident that both Crabtree and Lindsay are capable of conveying those threats to the contractors and others. Certainly, the contractors acted, in their numerous interactions with me as if they had been threatened. On several occasions, Mark Lindsay told me not to record anything of controversy in email communications. It was clear to me that he did not want me to create any records that might embarrass or cause legal implications if recorded by the ARMS system. 5. I was first briefed on Project X one day in a meeting in the office of Paulette Cichon (then Deputy Director for Information Management at OA and my supervisor) with Ms. Cichon and Betty Lambuth. Ms. Lambuth, who was extremely nervous, at first refused to tell me what concerned her. Only after Lindsay came into Ms. Cichon's office during the meeting and gave Ms. Lambuth permission to brief me, did she divulge to me what she knew about the Project X email problem. At that time I was not aware of the threats to Ms. Lambuth and the other Northrup Grumman employees. 6. Shortly thereafter, I learned from contractors Betty Lambuth, Robert Haas, John Spriggs and Sandy Golas (all of whom I interacted with regularly) that Laura Crabtree, who worked for me, had threatened them with jail if they gave information about Project X to unauthorized persons. 7. I quickly realized the impact the Project X issue would have on email searches in response to subpoenas and document requests (the searches were incomplete) and took several management steps to try and correct the problem. I know that Mr. Lindsay and the rest of the OA management, such as Ada Posey and Virginia Apuzzo, were also aware of the implications of Project X as it related to the accuracy of email searches. 8. Having seen a document in mid-June of 1998, showing that Charles Ruff, then White House Counsel, was to be fully briefed on the Project X email problem, I concluded that it was no longer "classified" and could be discussed more openly within OA. In fact, I ordered that the term "Project X" stop being used by OA staff and that a more descriptive term "Mail2 reconstruction" or variation thereof be used. At this time Ms. Crabtree was removed from the project, in an attempt to reassure the Northrup Grumman employees that they would not be subject to any future threats. 9. The first action I took was to order that the procedure that was used to create "user id's" be corrected to prevent any more users from having email that would not be properly captured by the ARMS system. 10. I held several meetings with the Northrup Grumman staff (Sandy Golas, Bob Haas and John Spriggs) who were familiar with Lotus Notes (the computer system upon which emails were transmitted), and the ARMS system. Because of Crabtree's threats the contractors said they did not want to work on the Project X problem. 11. Steve Hawkins, their Northrup Grumman supervisor, also told me that his staff reported
[CTRL] CONTRAILS VS CHEMTRAILS - FACTS AND CHRONOLOGY
-Original Message- From: Surfing The Apocalypse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2000 20:11 Subject: [surfingtheapocalypse] CONTRAILS VS CHEMTRAILS - FACTS AND CHRONOLOGY Contrails Vs Chemtrails - Facts And Chronology From Kim Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5-23-00 http://www.sightings.com/general/chemfacts.htm I. Contrail vs. Chemtrail. A. A contrail dispurses. A chemtrail spreads into cloud cover and sometimes has fallout (cob-web like filaments, red/yellow powders, milky-white fluid). II. Purposes (??? weather modification, protection from ozone holes, bio-vaccination, culling - ???) A. Weather modification. * Openly stated goal of the U.S. Military is "owning the weather" www.au.af.mil/au/database/research/ay1996/acsc/9025ag.htm * UN environmental Program "Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change" www.ipcc.ch * UN "Capacity Development Initiative" on climate change ... in partnership with THE WORLD BANK as financiers (remember Seattle protests) www.gefweb.org/Capacity_Dev.pdf * Dr. Bernard Eastlund took up the Tesla theories. Eastlund released his research and concernns on the internet AFTER the military took over, to cover his butt. www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/HPEMRAD/Eastlund.htm * When DOD took over Dr. Eastlund's research, the birth of HAARP took place. HAARP is based in Alaska and it is being applied to the Earth's ionosphere for weather control and mind control purposes. "Angels Don't Play This HAARP", Dr. Nick Begich [Earthpulse Press, PO Box 201393, Anchorage, AK 99520]; Concerned citizens group paper at www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/project116.html * US Air Force IS involved. Early April 2000, KC135s were grounded and during the period immediately following spraying reports across the US significantly dropped. See http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/chemtrailtrackingusa (OVER 700 members - daily reports to track) Also see the research of William Thomas (Author, "The Scorched Earth", "Bringing The War Home", "Probing the Chemtrail Conundrum") www.islandnet.com/~wilco/investsky.htm (Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]). * Our weathermen KNOW. The data doesn't support the cloud cover. For instance, last year in Sante Fe, NM there was a 21-day period of continuous clouud cover when humidity/dew point levels were no higher than 30%. Clouds can only form when humidity/dew point levels are 60% of higher. HOW DID THE CLOUDS FORM?? (see www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm) B. There has definitely been biological warfare testing of UNKNOWING U.S. citizens and OUR GOVERNMENT IS FULLY AWARE OF IT. * 1977 hearings before the U.S. Senate Committee on Human Resources SubCommittee on Health and Scientific Research (see www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm) * AGAIN 5/6/94 U.S. Senate testimony of Dr. Leonard Cole (Author, "Clouds of Secrecy") before the Committee on Veteran's Affairs (see www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm) * 3 segments aired on ABC / Ted Kopple's "Nighline" which included the testimony of Peter Kawaja on the biowarfare exposure of Gulf War vets. Of the initial 697,000 soldiers deployed to the Gulf War, 489,400+ (70%) are now discharged, 1000s have died and are dying, 67% of their babies born after are born deformed, family/friends/doctors/nurses becoming sick. Mycoplasmas are a part of their sickness. * UN Wildlands Project - the "re-wilding of America". 50% of the United States is being set aside for global parklands with NO HUMANS ALLOWED. Papers state "human population must be reduced." Concerned citizens site www.wildlandsproject.org/htm/summary.htm * Damning patents. U.S. patent 5534413 for invasive mycoplasma infection (isolated from the urine of AIDS patients), and THE VACCINE YOU NEVER EVER HEAR ABOUT U.S. Patent 5242820. Mycoplasmas can cause Epstein-Barr/mono, lupus, ALS, MS, meningitis, lymphoma, leukemia, alzheimers, Crohn's Disease, PID, arthritis, fibromyalgia, allergies, asthma etc etc etc. http://members.aol.com/ghylak/mycoplasma.htm and www.gulfwarvets.com/article24.htm * Lab results from ground samples taken from 2 unassociated parties (Sacramento and E.Oregon) after flyovers from unmarked aircraft reveal biowarfare bacterias named in over 160 Pentagon patents referencing biowarfare applications, toxic molds, ethylene dibromide (a pesticide banned by the EPA which damages lungs/heart/liver/kidneys). (See www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm). "The flu that's not the flu" - hospitals filled to capacity TURNING AWAY patients: "THIS VIRUS IS A MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL PARASITE", Dr.
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
The more you listen to the crap coming out of Congress and the White House and Washington DC in general...I have trouble finding intelligent life here period @@ @@ @@ - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. . Tony Dickinson wrote: Dear Ten, I would be happier if you could qualify your claim. What is your evidence for there being 'absolutely no "hard" evidence for ET visitatuion' ? You are requesting that he prove a negative on the same basis as proving, (with hard evidence,) the existence of aliens here on Earth. This is a no no. Firstly, We ( J2- made the original claim that there is no hard evidence of intelligent alien existence on Earth )are NOT required to prove that aliens don't exist. The more extraordinary the claim, the more solid the evidence needs to be. There is none. What there is plenty of, is 'stories'. That I, myself, have not knowingly been exposed to any, does not tell me therefore that such evidence does not exist. If you deconstruct this sentence you will find a very a problematic suggestion. These words if taken in a serious context, will cause you to undermine your own judgment. Good judgment is not something that humans have a great abundance of. Good judgment is learned. It is not an instinct we are born with. Unfortunately, there is more to be got from people with bad judgment than good judgment. In our society there are few tools which help develop judgment. School should be one of those tools but it's not. TV could be the best tool but it entirely monopolized by people who know for CERTAIN that a consumer with good judgment is a very bad business idea. Aint gonna happen. Religion...to put it politely is not the right tool for the job. So it's up to each individual to start his/her own Judgment Buildup Program. It's tougher than body building. Every one will encourage you to build up your body. If all your life you had never experienced the lingering aroma of Unicorn droppings, and you are running through a beautiful meadow, and your foot crashes through the crusty crown of cow crap, and the home baked smell of cooling cow pie wafts you in the face, your first thought ought not be - "Oh my god I stepped in Unicorn shit!" That would be bad judgment because you did not correctly judge the physical situation. In nature, those individuals which miss-judge the physical environment more than others, significantly improve the common gene pool by leaving it. The people who diminish your judgment OR your ability to trust your judgment, or prevent you from developing your judgment, are doing you the individual, real harm. This is done both intentionally and unintentionally in our interactions with people. The measure is, how many of the "events " to which you are exposed during the course of any given period of time, turn out to be true. This includes tv, songs, mags, books, commercials, ads, billboards, salespeople, friends, relatives, strangers with candy, and the clergy. The more truth you are exposed to, the more you can collect as valid experiential data to internalize, and be a base to do comparisons with. Judgment ensues when you compare an experience in the moment, with what you have learned is true. This might also be called having common sense. So the following ... Dear Ten, I would be happier if you could qualify your claim. What is your evidence for there being 'absolutely no "hard" evidence for ET visitatuion' ? That I, myself, have not knowingly been exposed to any, does not tell me therefore that such evidence does not exist. is telling you that your experiential internal base WHICH HAS TAKEN YOU YEARS TO ACCUMULATE AND WHICH HAS SUCCESSFULLY BROUGHT YOU TO YOUR PRESENT POINT OF SURVIVAL, should be put aside in order to accept a concept some one wants you to share. This is corruption. You are asked to put asside trustworthy data and replace it with " something else." Unless YOU YOURSELF has ever directly experienced contact with an alien or alien paraphernalia, you have no reason to assume that the more unlikely experience is the true one. (At least for one example, the evidence with regards meteoric microossils would appear to be growing since The Murchison work by Pfloog/Hoyle back in the late 70s. We are not talking about space bacteria or viruses. We are talking about intelligent beings who were reviewed thusly... EXOPOLITICS by Alfred Lambremont Webre Reviewed by Nicky Molloy This is one of the most deeply thought provoking books I've read in some time. Alfred appears right in his perception that almost a majority of US adults know intuitively that we are a part of a populated universe and have been kept in the dark about the implications of this.
Re: [CTRL] signoff ctrl
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[CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
TIme to recycle this. -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 5 November 1999 07:31 Subject: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:41:49 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[starfriends] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. This man wrote that, in retrospect, at the beginning of the chemtrail mystery that the "happy faces" of the meteorologists who had until that time been his passengers were suddenly replaced by dour, unsmiling and non talkative "meteorologists" and that the take off and landing weights of his planes suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning that something besides fuel was lost during those flights. This pilot intimated that the chemtrails are really a CIA mind kontrol operation, the purpose of which is to make the sprayed populations confused, depressed, a bit sick and enervated and thereby submissive and lacking crucial analytic capacities. Stated purpose? To kontrol targeted populations by making them more likely to be subservient to government officials during Y2K confusion and/or martial law. In addition, this is happening all around the world now. But in Amerika, Mr. Thomas stated that he believed forestry service planes had been moved out of that service and into the production of chemtrails which resulted in prolonged wildfires in the West this past summer due to the resulting lack of equipment to fight those fires from the sky. We must never forget that this chemtrail spraying is apparently NOT a part of some new directive! This kind of spraying has been going on in various modes now for over 50 years. This is all so damned mind boggling that I feel like I'm in a dream, like I'm in the twilight zone, like my country has been stolen away while I slept. Mr. Thomas' website can be found at http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco/ The attached 6K jpg of a jet obviously producing a chemtrail from its tail is from Contrail Connection - http://www.contrailconnection.com/ THIS IS AN EXCEL LENT WEBSITE with many pictures. Remember, planes dump fuel from their wings, not from their tails! Art Bell's chemtrail page - http://www.artbell.com/contrails.html What the hell is going on - because I think Art Bell is a part of a disinfo op himself. Or, is he a man in the middle? Brad Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com tail1.JPG
[CTRL] CHEMTRAILS ~ COMMENT/REBUTTAL TO MECHANIC'S STORY
Subject: CHEMTRAILS ~ COMMENT/REBUTTAL TO MECHANIC'S STORY -Original Message- From: Surfing The Apocalypse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, 24 May 2000 21:10 RUMOR MILL NEWS AGENCY http://www.rumormillnews.com CHEMTRAILS ~ COMMENT/REBUTTAL TO MECHANIC'S STORY Posted By: RMN Agent 003 Date: Tuesday, 23 May 2000, at 9:10 p.m. http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=3369 CHEMTRAILS Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble Upon The Truth? 5-17-00 Comment Response To Those Who Claim The Mechanic's Story Is A Hoax From Craig Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5-23-00 As a former airlines mechanic (Western Airlines in Los Angeles), I read the mechanic's letter on the spray gear with interest. I can say with authority that they guy knows airlines maintenance terminology, technics, pecking order, etc. Those who say that it is a complete hoax, or that this guy is a phony, do not know what they are talking about. Especially those who say "I am a commercial pilot, so I know these things are bogus." Being a "commercial pilot" only means one has passed a written test and a flight test for a license above "private pilot." The requirement is 250 hours for fixed wing, and 150 hours for helicopter. I am both a commercial pilot fixed wing (land and sea) and helicopter. I have over 3500 hours, mostly turbine helicopter. I also am an AP mechanic (airframe and powerplant), and worked at one time on the Boeing airliners for Western Airlines. So I know the terminology and airlines maintenance buisness. Airlines now often hold reciprical agreements to do maintenance on each other's planes at various outlying stations. Here, American Airlines does work on various companies aircraft, and sometimes foreign and military as well. As for having room in the jet for spray gear, I would need to know exactly what type of aircraft the writer is talking about. Any of the larger jets have various places gear can be installed, expecially in the aft baggage compartment. Also, in some, the center fuel tank is not used unless the plane does overseas long distance flights. Here, at American, a large plane was being worked on that belonged to another company and a friend of mine opened up a floor plate during a "heavy check" inspection and found several mysterious black boxes and cable bundles. When he tried to find out what they were he was told to button it up and forget he saw it all. The plane belonged to Evergreen Air (CIA). So anything is possible. As for the static whips, it would be extremely difficult to run tubing down the inside of a wing to such a wingtip location. It would be much easier to just run a line to the fuel dump system and use the onboard systems to discharge chemicals into the atmosphere. One part that bothers me about this story is using civilian companies to do this. Too many leaks are possible for a classified operation. There are plenty of planes in storage, in Marana, Arizona, run by Evergreen, that could be brought into service with contract pilots. This is where I think they are really coming from. Craig Roberts Author: The Medusa File: Crimes and Coverups of the US Government -- Comment From (Name On File - Confidentiality Requested) 5-22-00 Hate to burst your bubble. As an aircraft mechanic (ALL systems, ALL ATA's) for the past 30 years and a Sr. Maintenance instructor for the past ten years, I have the qualifications to comment on the recent article about chemtrails. It is the article from the "mechanic" and what he "found" on aircraft he "worked" on. #1. The pecking order: We work on what we are told to work on. I have worked on every system on the aircraft, from the Radar to the waste disposal, to the tires. Nobody has EVER told me not to work on a specific aircraft. (I work on mostly B747's, DC10's, MD11's and all the narrow body jets) I have also been a "Tech Rep" with the Air Force and carry a Top Secret Clearance AND a P certification. There is no place on an aircraft I am not permitted to go. #2. The static dischargers. I Have included a drawing of the Static dischargers in use today, on wide body and narrow body jet aircraft. This type of static discharger has been in use since the introduction of jet aircraft. The type described by your "mechanic" was used on propeller driven aircraft. To use the wick type on a jet is just not done. It would be ripped off in the airstream on the first flight. I would like to know how a discharger 1/4" by 1/2" could possibly be drilled out to give enough of an output to show the chemtrails? And if they could be drilled out they would fall apart on takeoff. I am not trying to say that the chemtrails are a fiction, only that the delivery system described is not viable. You will have to do better. A separate connection to the fuel vent pipes would do it, and hide the tanks in the fuel tanks. There are pumps that could be used for this, and you could just pump the tanks full of fuel to get them pressurized. Or you could use
Re: [CTRL] INS Investigating Beating of Elian Camera Crew
The Immigration and Naturalization Service is actively investigating allegations that a federal SWAT team beat up an NBC camera crew as it was preparing to film last month's raid on the home of Elian Gonzalez's Miami relatives, NewsMax.com has learned. "That issue is now being taken up by our Internal Audit Office," INS spokeswoman Maria Cardona told NewsMax.com in an exclusive interview Tuesday. "They're looking into it more closely." Last month, Cardona told Accuracy In Media's Reed Irvine that the machine-gun-toting agents denied having "any physical contact" with freelance NBC camerman Tony Zumbado and his soundman Gustavo Moeller. The two had been designated as the sole source to provide network "pool" video coverage from inside the house. I've posted about this subject here before, but it bears repeating... What isn't mentioned above is that the designation of 'sole source to provide network 'pool' video coverage' came from the Miami gang, not from any 'network pool', because Zumbado, a Cuban-American himself, was openly supportive of the Miami gang... And Zumbado was interviewed live on MSNBC shortly after 7am the day of the raid...barely two hours after the event. He not only showed no signs of being 'roughed up', he told a very different story than the one he seems to be saying now. He repeated this early version of events later that same day, in yet another live MSNBC interview, done about midday... In his early version he claimed that he was immediately knocked unconscious by the front door, because that was where he was sleeping. No mention of being 'roughed up'. No mention of waking up outside. No mention of his soundman buddy. No claim of equipment or tape being destroyed. Zumbado had to keep reiterating to the anchor interviewing him that the reason he didn't get any tape footage was due to being knocked unconscious when the INS first entered, he made it a point to claim of being taken so much by surprise before losing consciousness that he never had time to even lift his camera, let alone get it ready... Cardona's denial came after Zumbado told MSNBC, "We got maced. ... We were told to lay on the floor. ... I was kicked in the stomach and pushed down and they kind of like put their foot on my back and told me not to move or else they were going to shoot." Again, as I mentioned above, this is at odds with Zumbado's original description of events made just a few hours afterwards...in his first interviews, he never mentions mace (indeed, we now know that mace wasn't used, but pepper spray...perhaps a minor point, but it shows that whomever is writing this article isn't doing research). Zumbado's original interviews had him claiming of being immediately knocked out, and knowing nothing of what happened afterwards until he conveniently regained consciousness just moments after the INS left. No kicking in the stomach, no pushing him down (because he was already on the floor, supposedly sleeping, when the INS came in). No jackboots on his back. No agents telling him not to move or else they'd shoot. No, in his original description he repeatedly stated he was knocked out cold by the door when the INS first entered, and that he had no knowledge of what happened thereafter, until he came to just after the INS left. While the NBC cameraman was being attacked inside the house, his soundman, who was still outside, was hit on the head with the butt of a shotgun, then held at gunpoint for the duration of the raid. This perhaps is true. But it would have to be the soundman who would have to verify what in fact happened to himself. What we have here is hearsay, inadmissable in a court of law. Anything that Zumbado claims happened to the soundman is NOT due to his direct observation, but what he would have been told by the soundman and others afterwards... NBC reporter Kerry Sanders, who was also assigned by the network to cover the raid, told NewsMax.com that Zumbado and Moeller gave him identical versions of the assault minutes after INS agents sped away with Elian. Perhaps. But all this statement tells us is that a colleague of theirs claims they described the same thing...not WHAT they described. Sanders should be aware of Zumbado's original interviews, which describe a totally different event than what is now being described... Zumbado was later hospitalized for back trouble, Sanders said. Again, Zumbado was interviewed within two hours of the raid, and a second time about 5 to 6 hours later. Not only did he not look 'roughed up' (neat clothes, no bruises or abrasions), he looked very hail and hearty, and indeed stressed to the anchors interviewing him, when they asked if he was okay, that he indeed was fine and felt fine and wasn't hurt. When Irvine asked Cardona why the NBC crew would simply make up such a story, the INS spokeswoman told him, "It could be because they needed an excuse for not doing their jobs." Based solely on
[CTRL] I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW...
...why Michael Spitzer gets to send 20+ posts in one day to this list, while I and the rest of the list are restricted to only 7 per day... June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Chemtrails over Desert Storm
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Click at bottom to see Chemtrails over Saudi Arabia and Iraq during Desert Storm War 1991, What, exactly, makes thes things "chemtrails" and not ordinary contrails? Be specific. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. So let me get this straight. Nicky says that Steve says that ManBrad says that a guy on the Art Bell show says that he got an email from a guy he says is named Thomas who says some guys whose names we don't know but he claims were "meteorologists" made faces once so we're supposed to be scared the sky is falling. Yeah. OK. Sure. Maybe the sky is really falling. Hey, it could happen. But this is not evidence that the sky is falling. This is fifth-hand hearsay from people we have never even met. We have no proof whatsoever that any of them even exist. For all we know for certain they could all be literary creations, characters in some psycho-drama psy-op. Whatever they are, evidence they are not. Evidence they do not present. And if we can't learn how to tell the difference between hearsay and evidence, we are doomed to be herded like livestock for the rest of our lives. On the other hand, yeah, the government does do spray stuff in the air sometimes. For example: two miles from where I sit right now they once sprayed serratia marcescens into the air and infected the entire SF Bay Area. See: A High Form of Killing by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, ISBN 0-8090-5471-x, p 156. So we cannot, and should not, dismiss out of hand the possibility that foul play is afoot here. But let's be rational and follow the basic rules of logic and evidence as we investigate the possibility. How would you, personally, like to be convicted in a court of law and then imprisoned on the basis of fifth-hand hearsay? I didn't think so. So please, show us some common courtesy here and don't attempt to imprison our minds in a cage of unsubstianted claims, wild rumors and disinformation. The government, and the entities the animate it, all have a long, thick, rich history of engaging in massive disinformation campaigns. Is the whole chemtrail affair a psy-op? We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either. But we do what hearsay is, don't we? I do. If you don't, go buy a goddam dictionary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You are a fraud.
On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: 5/23/00 It's over now Yair. Genetics have put an end to your con game. No more extracting book money from those pathetic Biblical Israelite wannabes. You should be made to pay back every penny you got from these idiots. If I lived in Israel, I would have you and those Bible Code con men arrested for intentionally defrauding the public. Find new snake oil to sell the idiots buddy, this con is over. Genetic markers have defined who's who. Joshua2 What markers, J2? FWP. --- Machine Psychology: http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (file #10) --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?
On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: How could this ever compare with my main rival Allan Greenspan whose economic theories are based on those of yet another co-religionist of ours, Ayn Rand. Are all you co-religionists atheists or do you all have the same "genetic markers" for religion x? FWP. --- Machine Psychology: http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html (file #10) --- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Media Miasma-fication
From http://www.swans.com/ }}Begin c o m m e n t a r y May 22, 2000 Trade liberty for safety or money and you'll end up with neither. Liberty, like a grain of salt, easily dissolves. The power of questioning -- not simply believing -- has no friends. Yet liberty depends on it. Note from the Editor: The Peter Weiz Price, an award funded by the German Marshall Fund, was won this year by Steven Erlanger of The New York Times. According to The Times, the prize, worth $10,000, "rewards excellence and originality in reporting and analyzing European and transatlantic affairs." Excellence and originality in reporting? What was excellent about the lies and disinformation passed on to the US public but the lies and the disinformation? And what originality did this reporter, this Bureau Chief, demonstrate in the war zones of Serbia and Kosovo? Didn't he simply regurgitate whatever propaganda his NATO masters provided him on a daily basis? Read our lead article, written by Michael Parenti. Then you'll understand that when journalists serve the interests of their masters they get a recompense. It's a win-win situation. It's a self-serving system doing the rounds. Meantime the truth has gone AWOL. The Media and Their Atrocities by Michael Parenti "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." -- Buddha For the better part of a decade the U.S. public has been bombarded with a media campaign to demonize the Serbian people and their elected leaders. During that time, the U.S. government has pursued a goal of breaking up Yugoslavia into a cluster of small, weak, dependent, free-market principalities. Yugoslavia was the only country in Eastern Europe that would not dismantle its welfare state and public sector economy. It was the only one that did not beg for entry into NATO. It was--and what's left of it, still is--charting an independent course not in keeping with the New World Order. Targeting the Serbs Of the various Yugoslav peoples, the Serbs were targeted for demonization because they were the largest nationality and the one most opposed to the breakup of Yugoslavia. But what of the atrocities they committed? All sides committed atrocities in the fighting that has been encouraged by the western powers over the last decade, but the reporting has been consistently one-sided. Grisly incidents of Croat and Muslim atrocities against the Serbs rarely made it into the U.S. press, and when they did they were accorded only passing mention. 1 Meanwhile Serb atrocities were played up and sometimes even fabricated, as we shall see. Recently, three Croatian generals were indicted by the Hague War Crimes Tribunal for the bombardment and deaths of Serbs in Krajina and elsewhere. Where were the U.S. television crews when these war crimes were being committed? John Ranz, chair of Survivors of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp, USA, asks: Where were the TV cameras when hundreds of Serbs were slaughtered by Muslims near Srebrenica? 2 The official line, faithfully parroted in the U.S. media, is that Bosnian Serb forces committed all the atrocities at Srebrenica. Are we to trust U.S. leaders and the corporate-owned news media when they dish out atrocity stories? Recall the five hundred premature babies whom Iraqi soldiers laughingly ripped from incubators in Kuwait? A story repeated and believed until exposed as a total fabrication years later. During the Bosnian war in 1993, the Serbs were accused of pursuing an official policy of rape. "Go forth and rape" a Bosnian Serb commander supposedly publicly instructed his troops. The source of that story never could be traced. The commander's name was never produced. As far as we know, no such utterance was ever made. Even the New York Times belatedly ran a tiny retraction, coyly allowing that "the existence of 'a systematic rape policy' by the Serbs remains to be proved." 3 Bosnian Serb forces supposedly raped anywhere from 25,000 to 100,000 Muslim women, the stories varied. The Bosnian Serb army numbered not more than 30,000 or so, many of whom were engaged in desperate military engagements. A representative from Helsinki Watch noted that stories of massive Serbian rapes originated with the Bosnian Muslim and Croatian governments and had no credible supporting evidence. Common sense would dictate that these stories be treated with the utmost skepticism--and not be used as an excuse for an aggressive and punitive policy against Yugoslavia. The "mass rape" propaganda theme was resuscitated in 1999 to justify the continued NATO slaughter of Yugoslavia. A headline in the San Francisco Examiner (April 26, 1999) tells us: "SERB TACTIC IS ORGANIZED RAPE, KOSOVO REFUGEES SAY." No evidence or testimony is given to support the charge of organized rape. Only at the bottom of the story, in the nineteenth paragraph, do we read that reports gathered by the Kosovo mission of the
[CTRL] Fwd: The Week of Peace
-Original Message- From: Steven Plaut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: The Week of Peace Ok so let's see if we can sum up the debacle of the past week. Days after promising to hand Arafat parts of Jerusalem, in response to which Arafat orders an auto da fe of a Jewish baby in Jericho, Barak orders Israeli troops to race out of Lebanon in total panic and confusion, making the US pullout from South Vietnam look like the epitome of good logistics. Leaving behind equipment and ammunition, all the time under the shelling and fire of the Hizbollah, which wishes to prove to the world that it is driving out the cowardly Israelis. Israel unilaterally eliminates the entire Southern Lebanese Army, whose tanks and APC's are left behind for the Hizbollah to collect. While intending to turn the area over to the Lebanese army, Israel allows the Hizbullah simply to drive in, in most cases without a shot being fired, and take up positions inches from the Israeli border. Many of the SLA soldiers are kidnapped and imprisoned by the Hizbollah and their life expectancies are suddenly quite short. Others are allowed in to Israel and placed in a "Maabara" next to the Kinneret. Stories are flying of Hizbollah terrorists passing themselves off as SLA soldiers to gain access to Israel. The Cloud Monkey of the UN, Kofi Anan, announces that any UN troops to be introduced into the area will do nothing to prevent Hizbollah attacks on Israel nor ethnic cleansing of Southern Lebanese Christians and Shi'ites. The Hizbollah takes over without a shot the "Hiam" prison in which the SLA had been holding assorted terrorists, including those Israel had been holding as "bargaining chips" to get Ron Arad released but moved to Hiam, thanks to its Supreme Court activist tyrants. Israel's pompous generalissimos appearing on TV and boasting how this is a great victory for Israel. Kiryat Shmona and border towns almost totally emptied of people, and on kibbutzim people living underground afraid to emerge into the wonderful daylight of the era of peace. The Hizbollah announcing openly it will continue to shell and murder because Israel has not released the few remaining terrorists from Lebanon it is still holding, like Durani - who kidnapped and then sold Ron Arad to Iran. Meaning it's only matter of short time before Israel releases these as well in a great illustration of its military victory and triumph in Lebanon. And the Hizbollah also says it will shell and murder because Israel has not pulled out of parts of the Golan Heights the Hizbollah thinks it needs to. You with me so far? So what are we left with? I left out the very BEST part of Israel's great new triumph. Under the universally-accepted rules of international politics, it is always legitimate and progressive and peaceful to murder a Jew. But whenever a Jew retaliates or stages deterrent strikes, this is aggression and criminality. Especially if a civilian gets hurt. Not that anyone cares about Arab civilians getting hurt when other Arabs are the perps, just when Jews hurt them. In other words, if tomorrow Syria drops an atomic bomb on Haifa and in retaliation Israel bombs Damascus and as a result of this bombing a single pregnant Arab woman is killed or a child scratched, this will constitute proof that Israel is the aggressor and war criminal and the entire world will demand that Israel restrain itself and give out goodwill concessions and give Syria the Sea of Galilee. Now as part of this game, the very worst thing Israel can do is allow hostile terrorists to take territory and hide among civilians. This simply immobilizes Israel permanently. As long as the Hizbollah was 20 miles from the border and not hiding among Southern Lebanese civilians, Israel could sometimes strike at it, although always feared hitting the actual Shi'ite villages NORTH of the security zone in which the Hizbollah terrorhoids were ensconced. Such attacks do not look good on CNN. In the SOUTH, the SLA could enter villages and dispatch Hizbollah terrorists quietly, under the iron rule that no one cares when Arabs kill other Arabs. But now the very crowning achievement of triumph and success in Lebanon is that Israel sits back uselessly as the Hizbollah drives right up to the border fence, taking the entire zone and arriving with lots of civilians. Who move in to immobilize Israel. Which means that all the bravado from Israel's politicians and generalissimos about how Israel will strike back REALLY REALLY HARD and invade deep into Lebanon next time the Hizbollah blows up a school bus or similar military target in Israel is complete nonsense and everyone knows so. Israel has now tied its own hands perfectly in such a way that it can do absolutely nothing in Lebanon besides bomb some empty warehouses somewhere or knock down power lines. All thanks to the decision to play coward in Southern Lebanon and ostrich in Jerusalem. And why
Re: [CTRL] I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW...
In a message dated 5/24/00 4:51:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...why Michael Spitzer gets to send 20+ posts in one day to this list, while I and the rest of the list are restricted to only 7 per day... June June, Michael had asked if he could awhile back and he has been made an "editor" which allows him to post more. He has been using this "privilege" generally wisely. He had some problem with his ISP and dumped several days worth. I have been getting increasing busy with research and the upcoming CIA-Drugs Symposium and the list does need content. Michael has not used his extra posts to browbeat folks and has supplied the list with some interesting articles. Whetther or not he believes all what he posts, I know not. No matter what, he is posting what some believe to be true. A conspiracy theory does not have to be true to have an effect. As a matter of fact we all know that conspiracy theories and fear are used all the time to goad and hoodwink us hoi polloi. So yes, Michael can posts more. If he oversteps his "power", this is an electronic jungle and the "club: will come out 'da sky. Got much to do. Om K A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Les Follies des foux et folles du Village
Extracted from: http://www.nypress.com/content.cfm?content_id=1947now=05/23/2000content_sectio n=1 }}Begin Taki LE MAÎTRE A Village of Idiots With apologies to the great Thomas Sowell (imagine how much better the black American community would be if it had Sowell and Ward Connerly as leaders, rather than hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton), here are a few random thoughts: ...There are two things that people in general, and the Clintons in particular, habitually lie about, and these are sex and money. Hillary called the blowjobs her hubby got from Monica a vast right-wing conspiracy. Ditto where Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and the rest of the "beauties" are concerned. (The Draft Dodgers women resemble the countries he bombs; they are poor, ugly, weak and no one comes to their rescue.) Here is a candidate whose law and business partners are in jail, who advocated the pardoning of convicted terrorists, who called innocent people murderers and who is the co-beneficiary of a $7 million tax-free "legal defense fund," with $4 million in personal legal bills still unpaid. The Clintons great weapon, however, is the liberal and left-wing media. For example, Frank Rich of the Times, better known to us insiders as Françoise, who has blurred the issues to help her candidacy. The President committed perjury and obstructed justice and is the first president of the United States to be held in contempt by a federal judge. Rudy Giuliani did not volunteer the fact that he had a girlfriend. In fact, I will let you, dear readers, in on a little secret. A world exclusive. Françoise Rich and Hillary Clinton are one and the same person. Their whole rationale is to stir up hatred and fear of a supposedly Neanderthal extremist right. Physically they are the same: profoundly puffy and unattractive; both wear suits; big-hipped and heterosexually challenged. You know what they say about looking and acting like a duck. Hillary and Françoise are one person. ...The most sinister buffoon, shallow, stupid, loud and uninformed, has to be the egregious Rosie ODonnell. This overweight moron, an unabashed Hillary-for- senator huckster and Giuliani basher, recently appeared on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. When asked what islands off the coast of Argentina are controlled by the Britishmultiple choiceshe failed to answer, "The Falklands," but made a crack about not even knowing where Argentina is. This ignoramus par excellence once said that "Giuliani is so dumb, if he ever wrote a book, it would be called It Takes a Village Idiot." Never mind that it took a village to ghostwrite Hillarys book; never mind that a bloody war was fought over the Falklands in 1982; never mind that the buffoon warned Congress that she and her ilk will be watching and they better vote her way on gun control or else. What really grates is the disproportionate amount of publicity mental midgets like ODonnell receive from the liberal press as soon as they make some public- policy prescription. If she had a little pride and decency, the sinister buffoon would go back to school and leave the politics to other sinister buffoons like Sid the Scumbag. At least no one has yet called Blumenthal a moron. ...If any of you out there are against the blacklisting that went on in Hollywood during the early 50sabout 10 people lost their jobs, although most of them continued to work under assumed namesgo out and boycott Procter Gamble. Dont touch Ivory soap, and stay away from Tide laundry detergent. PG caved in and withdrew its advertising from Dr. Laura Schlessingers radio and tv shows after homosexual activists flooded the sponsors with threats of a boycott. Schlessinger voices religious views that have been around for thousands of years. She has as much right to her opinions as homosexuals have to theirs. But, unlike the latter, Dr. Laura has not tried to pressure the networks, which, according to the Parents Television Council, have increased the references to homosexuals from four in 1989, to 125 10 years later. In the meantime, where are the soi-disant civil libertarians? Why hasnt the ACLU screamed against the "McCarthyism" of the homosexual pressure group? Ill tell you why. Freedom of speech applies only to the left. But lets boycott PG anyway. ...The Clinton stage-managed spectacle of a Million Moms was designed to sell the Draft Dodgers gun control agenda to the public. As an avowed pacifistexcept when, to divert public opinion, he murders innocent Sudanese and SerbsClinton once again exhibited his talent for manipulating a zonked-out- by-too-much-tv populace. There are more gun control laws in place than there are name-droppers in Hollywood. The reason the laws dont work is because felons are hardly ever prosecuted for lying when they apply for guns. Its outrageous but true. The last thing we need is more legislation. But try to tell that to the hypocrites at the White House. ...A very important book on Vietnam
Re: [CTRL] Giuliani, A string of bad luck??
In a message dated 05/20/2000 11:29:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those who are familiar with the long list of people connected with William Jefferson Clinton who have died under strange and mysterious circumstances should perhaps add Mayor Giuliani's political death to the list. Regards to All Nakano Well, I don't know about Giuliani. He's been sleeping around for donkeys' years, but if you want to look at the list of folks who have been less than lucky, start compiling the ones who ran afoul of the Bush family. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] OEN 5/24/00
from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid Janet Reno Declares Taiwan Hostile Threat Why can't they just pay us for secrets like China does. The Clinton administration, in a departure from longtime U.S. policy, has placed Taiwan on the FBI's secret list of hostile intelligence threats, equating Taipei with aggressive spying by Beijing and Moscow. China, Russia and Taiwan are among 13 nations designated as priorities for FBI intelligence and counterespionage activities, according to a classified memorandum from Attorney General Janet Reno. "I hereby designate the following countries as country threats under the [National Security List] for 1999/2000," Miss Reno wrote. Based on FBI, Justice and State Department reports, Miss Reno then listed, in order of priority, Russia, China, North Korea, Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Serbian-controlled Bosnia, Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Sudan and Taiwan. In addition to nations, the so-called national security threat list includes eight issues that guide FBI intelligence work: terrorism, espionage, proliferation, economic espionage, infrastructure targeting, government targeting, perception management and legal intelligence gathering. Disclosure of the threat list comes as the House is preparing to vote on legislation that would loosen trade restrictions on China. Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said the inclusion of Taiwan on the list appears based on the administration's pro-Beijing policies that seek to equate Taiwan in the same threat category as China. Asked about the inclusion of Taiwan on the list, Sen. Jon Kyl, Arizona Republican and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said: "What threat?" "It's very strange to me that Taiwan would be on this list, especially since other countries that spy on us are not," Mr. Kyl said. He added he plans to seek an explanation from intelligence officials. If Taiwan is on the threat list, then Israel, India, Pakistan and France also should be added since those nations conduct spying operations against the United States, said a former senior U.S. intelligence official. "This is just for political purposes. The Taiwanese are not in the same league as the other threats and they are the one country on the list that is not a mortal enemy of the United States." Justice Department sources said the memorandum was written by Frances Fragos Townsend, counsel for intelligence policy and a political appointee who is close to Miss Reno. Miss Townsend was criticized in a recent internal Justice Department report for turning down an FBI request for a wiretap of Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist Wen Ho Lee. Mr. Lee is the chief suspect in an FBI investigation of Chinese nuclear spying. He was indicted in December for mishandling nuclear secrets. The former official said the danger from "politicizing" the threat list is that "it has the practical effect of distorting the focus of the FBI and other intelligence community agencies" charged with protecting national security. "It distorts the reality of the threat and confuses people," he said. Said a second former high-ranking intelligence official, "Why isn't Israel on the list?" Taiwan's intelligence service in the past has engaged in intelligence gathering aimed at classified information, and also has sought weapons technology. However, the Taiwanese have not been involved in recent cases, this former official said. "I'm really surprised," he said of Taiwan's inclusion on the list. A current U.S. government official involved in China issues said putting Taiwan on the threat list reflects the administration's pro-Beijing and anti-Taiwan stance. "The administration clearly sees Taiwan as the problem, as a provocateur and troublemaker," he said. Seven of the threat nations are states subject to U.S. sanctions as state sponsors of international terrorism: Cuba, North Korea, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya and Sudan. The FBI National Security Division stated in a separate document that the threat issues apply to the activities of all foreign nations, "with special attention given to those nations determined to be a strategic national security threat." The strategic national security threats are those on the threat list. FBI officials privately have expressed frustration at limits imposed by the White House and State Department that prohibit any public identification of the hostile nations and threat issues. Justice Department and FBI spokesmen had no comment. A copy of the document was obtained by The Washington Times from investigative reporter Scott Wheeler of American Investigator, a television news show. Mr. Wheeler turned up the document following production of a documentary film on China called "Trading With the
[CTRL] Fwd: VoteFraud Convention
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[CTRL] American Investigator
from: http://www.americaninvestigator.net/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.americaninvestigator.net/"American Investigator/A - American Investigator Exclusive: Janet Reno sends secret document to Louis Freeh classifying China as terrorist state! Click here to view document. * Will this document affect the MFN vote? The Washington Times runs front page article Wednesday on secret document uncovered by American Investigator. * Click here for American Investigator correspondent Scott Wheeler's report on the Reno-Freeh memo. Order China Documentary "Trading With The Enemy: How the Clinton Administration Armed Communist China" 1-888-200-TAPE or click here to order online. Click here for more information. Click here to see Insight Magazine's coverage of American Investigator's China Documentary! Exclusive: American Investigator's Earth Day 2000 Coverage * Chevy Chase Loses Temper; Says He Is "Intellectual." * Chevy Chase Says Socialism Works; Cuba the Model * Chase Transcript New Amazon Documentary: Debunking Myths Misinformation of Environmental Groups. Click here for more information. AMERICAN INVESTIGATOR is a nationally syndicated television newsmagazine featuring correspondents Scott Wheeler and Marc Morano. The program's ground breaking investigative work focuses on debunking the myths of today's headlines. American Investigator travels the globe to bring you the real story: To Iceland for an expose on Keiko the Killer Whale and star of "Free Willy", to Brazil and the heart of Amazon rainforest, to Germany on the trail of international arms smugglers and to war torn Kosovo with in depth reporting and a fresh perspective on the worlds top stories. (Airs the last Friday of every month at 10:00 pm eastern) Correspondents Marc Morano and Scott Wheeler - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] BRITLAND NEWSBYTE [nwo in scotland]
NEW WORLD ORDER has hard time in SCOTLAND by andrew hennessey Scottish daily Record editorial as NWO kid control policies go public . wed 24 may 2000 page 8 They've banned school sports days, canned kids' football medals and denounced Noddy [cartoon character] as a danger to our childrens morals. Now the politically correct brigade have set their sights on the scandalously seditious childhood pursuit of musical chairs. Incredibly, Education Minister Margaret Hodge has launched a new booklet urging nursery teachers to outlaw the timeless party favourite. This latest PC pamphlet, entitled Towards a Non-Violent Society, states that musical chairs encourages aggression because 'children learn that the strongest/fastest one who pushes the other children out of the way wins' Excuse me ? Isn't that a pretty good grounding for adulr life ? Well No. It isn't in Labours Brave New Britain. In fact we've unearthed a secret document from a government think-tank with the next raft of changes to ensure our kids grow into perfectly rounded little automatons. Out goes pin the tail on the donkey on grounds of potential cruelty to animals. Blind mans Buff has been branded an insult to the visually impaired. Postmans Knock has bred a generation of young males who think they can father children and walk out on their partners without a second thought. And the outrageous Pass the parcel has been identified as the root cause of all those dodgy drug deals going on under the noses of our emasculated police force. Think we're kidding ? Just Watch this space. Whilst jack Straw Home Office Secretary's relatives are being picked up for drug abuse and sex offences - he has openly defied the will of the Scottish people and other watching groups and let Mick Tyson enter the uk. Opposition to Tyson was because of his conviction for rape. It has to be said that he found a place to fight in scotland against the overwhelming tide of public opinion - it was Scotlands national Soccer stadium. Oddly enough the same venue and management team that played a match on the day of Dianas Funeral. The glove puppets of Scottish football bow and wheedle to their English masters, and bring further shame to Scotland as they vainly try to eradicate scottish identity. __ Speaking of which The national Clause 28 ballot on whether to allow or disallow the active promotion of homosexuality in schools in scotland - a ballot which was sabotaged by the alleged independent, electoral reform society, a ballot reviled and sabotaged by homophobic spin from Blairs and Dewars toadies, a Ballot finally funded by someone out of their own pocket - Illustrates to the deaf dumb and blind Politicians who choose not to hear the people that elected them that 70 percent of people in scotland - and the poll cast 1.2 million votes - a larger turn out than some local elections - 70 percent of people in scotland want the status quo - to keep the clause and its legal guidelines - which is to say that Homosexuality should get equal consideration in schools along with other genders - and not be actively promoted to confused children. Although Donald Dewar first minister of scotland face an outright and scandalous defeat - his toadies are claiming to belistening in an embarrassing u-turn. They had attempted to railroad the legislation through in scotland despite it being rejected in england, by Blair and the House of Lords. The reason appears to be that explicit homosexual school books seem to be filling a couple of warehouses - awaiting distribution to the 'needy' children of scotland. It would seem that some political careers and favours rested on the seedy new legislation which gives no place to Marriage. Senior Church figures in scotland want to keep the clause and legal protection of kids and retain the family as the main surrogate of all children - and not the NWO values of State Surrogacy. In scottish law - if a pedophile sex crime is not reported within 1 year - the crime expires. _ The Emperor Tony has had a new sprog - a son - called Leo after his granddad - Cherie Blair participated too. _ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
Dear J2, many thanks for your considered contribution to this thread, a few further commments of clarification re my position if I may: Dear Ten, I would be happier if you could qualify your claim. What is your evidence for there being 'absolutely no "hard" evidence for ET visitatuion' ? You are requesting that he prove a negative on the same basis as proving, (with hard evidence,) the existence of aliens here on Earth. This is a no no. My intent here was not a request for proof, but merely to establish the basis of the strong negative claim made. My own position remains an agnostic one on this issue (coming clean, therefore, I am a skeptic rather than a cynic). Firstly, We ( J2- made the original claim that there is no hard evidence of intelligent alien existence on Earth )are NOT required to prove that aliens don't exist. The more extraordinary the claim, the more solid the evidence needs to be. There is none. What there is plenty of, is 'stories'. That I, myself, have not knowingly been exposed to any, does not tell me therefore that such evidence does not exist. If you deconstruct this sentence you will find a very a problematic suggestion. These words if taken in a serious context, will cause you to undermine your own judgment. Maybe so, but this is a risk that I am prepared to take in guiding my intellectual growth trajectory. I find that a healthy skepticism keep me open-minded and more likely to entertain a wider variety of novel solutions to unsolved problems. I am not happy to hold the view that something is NOT the case on a priori grounds. The search for inconsistencies and falsification would appear to better satisfy my curiosity, whilst at the same time entertaining as wide a number of possibible explanations as conceivable (which ideally should reduce in number as data continues to comes in). In our society there are few tools which help develop judgment. School should be one of those tools but it's not. TV could be the best tool but it entirely monopolized by people who know for CERTAIN that a consumer with good judgment is a very bad business idea. Aint gonna happen. Religion...to put it politely is not the right tool for the job. So it's up to each individual to start his/her own Judgment Buildup Program. It's tougher than body building. Every one will encourage you to build up your body. With these sentiments I would largely agree. The evolution of the brain/nervous system is co-emergent with the evolution of what we call intellegence. The mind/brain system would appear, at least to me, to have evolved as much a problem-seeking device, not just a problem-solving device. Much of our formal education establishment activity (possibly not guided by pedagogic aims alone) involves the teaching of WHAT to learn rather than HOW to learn. I find that my brand of 'healthy skepticism' allows an emergent process of "learning to learn" which scaffolds exponentially (in the face of some degree of task-success, of course). This latter learning-to-learn scenario supercedes (although operates partially in addition to) more 'reflexive', hard-wired behaviours not necessarily requiring much intellectual input under normal circumstances (e.g., blushing, panting, hearing [can you urn your ears 'off' ?] and the chemotoxin regulation processing of the liver). If all your life you had never experienced the lingering aroma of Unicorn droppings, and you are running through a beautiful meadow, and your foot crashes through the crusty crown of cow crap, and the home baked smell of cooling cow pie wafts you in the face, your first thought ought not be - "Oh my god I stepped in Unicorn shit!" OK, here, I would propose that it would be "what's this funny brown stuff on my foot, coincident with that novel aroma ? - have I come across anything like this before ?" It would not be efficient at that time to decide what it was not (the exponetial list of possibilities will always be too large a set). The job at hand is to decide whether and what action be required on my part in the face of this novel situation once recognised as such. The people who diminish your judgment OR your ability to trust your judgment, or prevent you from developing your judgment, are doing you the individual, real harm. This is done both intentionally and unintentionally in our interactions with people. Yep, so keep an open mind and watch how many explanations are quickly ruled out due to lack of knowledge, rather than lack of evidence. It is not always obvious to the uninformed what one might 'need' to know in order to establish existence proof of some phenomenon. [e.g.,knowing what cholestrerol is/functions to do before deciding whether one needs to change diet in order to ingest more or less of it; or knowing what detector device switches causes the wee red light to blink before deciding whether the fuel level is really needing a top up]. On the other hand,
[CTRL] George W. Bush's Booze And Drug Problems...
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Subject: George W. Bush's Booze And Drug Problems...
From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Abemarf)
Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 12:58 AM
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...the allegations just won't go away !!!
[ London Sunday Times ] UNITED STATES
January 23, 2000
Bush hit by claims of 'lost
weekends' in Mexico
Tom Rhodes, New York
A BOOK to be published this week about George W
Bush, the Republican frontrunner, claims his father's
chief of staff admitted in 1998 that the candidate had
taken cocaine during the 1970s.
Michael Dannenhauer, chief of staff to former president
George Bush, is said to have told Toby Rogers, a
journalist with the Houston Public News, a newspaper in
Texas (where Bush Jr is governor), that the politician
was "out of control" from the time he attended Yale
University.
"There was cocaine use, lots of women, but the drinking
was the worst," the aide is alleged to have said.
Dannenhauer purportedly also told Rogers of an
admission by the former president that his son
experienced "lost weekends in Mexico".
Rumours of drug abuse have plagued Bush Jr for
months since he declared himself a candidate in the
presidential race. Since character is an important
election issue, the latest claims are bound to rekindle
interest in Bush's past. He has admitted to a "misspent
youth", but has repeatedly evaded questions about
cocaine.
The claims will come under intense scrutiny. They were
never published by the Houston newspaper, which has
since closed.
The story was briefly aired on September 13 last year by
The Greenwich Village Gazette, an internet magazine in
New York, but was pulled from its website. The publisher
was concerned about legal action and the absence of
any second source to support the allegation that Bush
had started to use cocaine "some time before 1977".
In a taped conversation with Rogers, Dannenhauer
subsequently called the allegations a "total lie". He
initially denied they had met, then claimed the interview
had taken place years earlier.
Rogers, now a freelance contributor to various
publications including The Village Voice, the respected
liberal paper in New York, claims a photograph
apparently showing the two men together was taken on
April 21, 1998. The allegations appear in the introduction
to a revised biography of Bush by J H Hatfield, a Texan
writer.
The first imprint of his book, Fortunate Son, published in
October last year, was withdrawn from shops after it
emerged that Hatfield had served a five-year prison
sentence for soliciting the attempted murder of his boss
at a finance company in 1987.
The book, with additional material from Rogers, is now
being reissued by Soft Skull, a radical publishing
company based in New York.
It retains hotly disputed accusations made in the earlier
version, which cited claims by three anonymous
sources - one of them identified as a former Bush
contemporary at Yale and another said to be an
unofficial political adviser - that Bush was arrested in
1972 for cocaine possession.
The book alleges that the record was expunged by a
friendly judge as a favour to Bush Sr.
Both father and son strenuously deny the claims. Last
night Scott McClellan, the Bush presidential campaign
spokesman, said: "This book belongs to science fiction.
All allegations in it are ridiculous, false and libellous."
Hatfield alleges that in return for a clean slate the judge
ordered Bush to perform community service as a youth
counsellor at the Professionals United for Leadership
League (Pull), an urban poverty programme in Houston.
The former president, however, has said he referred his
son to the youth centre after an incident in which Bush
drove drunk with his brother as a passenger.
Sixty Minutes, the CBS documentary show, is due to
broadcast an interview with Hatfield next month, raising
the prospect that his allegations will attract further
attention as the primaries get under way.
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Subject: More About George W.'s Drug Abuse
From: A HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "[EMAIL PROTECTED] /A (Abemarf)
Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 1:13 AM
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Seems like George W. Bush would make a great
"vice" President !!!
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Bush Jr.'s Skeleton Closet
{A HREF="http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm}"http://www.realchange.org/bus
hjr.htm}/A
Party Hearty: Sex, Drugs, And Rock 'N Roll?
For almost half his life, Junior was distinguished mainly by his hearty
appetite for partying. A Newsweek profile by Evan Thomas, describing his
college years, says he "seems to have majored in beer drinking at the Deke
House." After he formed his first company (which failed), Thomas writes, "By
his own
[CTRL] ISRAELIS TAKE REVENGE TARGETING JOURNALISTS (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:49:51 + From: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ISRAELIS TAKE REVENGE TARGETING JOURNALISTS ___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\ ISRAELIS TAKE REVENGE TARGET JOURNALISTS http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! - - - - - - - - - - YOU ARE WHAT YOU KNOW AND WHAT YOU DO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ISRAELIS TAKE REVENGE TARGETING JOURNALISTS A Gunmetal blue Mercedes snaked its way below the escarpment marking the border between Israel and Lebanon. It stopped for a minute or two, then disappeared in a ball of fire - blasted by an Israeli tank lurking in trees 200 yards away. A few hours later I discovered my personal connection with the vehicle. It was the second car I had seen the Israelis destroy in ten minutes yesterday. Their pride hurt by the rout of their forces and those of their allies in the South Lebanon Army, who were fleeing back into Israel, and by the defiant flags of Hezbollah that fluttered over the border hamlets they had fled, this was payback time. I was to learn that they were shooting at Jeremy Bowen, the BBC correspondent, and his Lebanese cameraman. Inside the car, Abed Taboush, a veteran driver and "fixer" known and loved by hundreds of journalists who had been taken under his wing over 25 years, was dead. I first met Mr Taboush in January. It was the finest contact a novice could make. A guarded attitude gave way to enormous warmth. He insisted that I meet his family. In the hours between risky trips through South Lebanon's tribal maze, Abed would clutch a cold beer and render his listeners tearful with laughter at his irreverent descriptions of our colleagues. I last sat beside him on Sunday when he drove me to Beirut airport. He told me then that he feared his luck would run out. "I have been so lucky all my life," he said. His car was well-known to the Israelis. Two weeks before he was killed, he and I were in Mjdal Zun when Israeli gunners shelled us for 40 minutes. "They know me! They know me!" he said with a smile. He had driven through artillery bombardments, braved helicopter cannon fire to bring his cameramen into the heart of hundreds of battles. But his wife and friends had begged him to stay away from the south during the Israeli retreat. In 1996 he was the first into the Qana massacre, when Israeli gunners killed 130 people queueing for bread at a UN bakery. In the same month he carried the 11 dead of one family out of the cellar where they had been killed by an Israeli "bunker-buster" bomb. Yesterday I watched what amounted to his execution. Mr Bowen told of how he and Mr Taboush had stopped to film us: the group of spectators with ringside seats on the front line. "I got out of the car with the cameraman and waved my arms so that the Israelis could see that we were not armed. I was wearing a pink shirt [unusual attire for a Hezbollah fighter]," he said. Then a massive explosion ripped Mr Taboush's car apart and the Israelis used the tank's machinegun to try to kill the rest of the BBC crew. At Menara, a religious kibbutz, soldiers said that "two terrorists" has escaped and they were trying to gun them down. A Red Cross team that tried to retrieve Mr Taboush's body also came under fire. I had spoken to Mr Taboush and Mr Bowen yesterday morning. They were in good spirits. "Be careful, stay safe," I said. FROM SAM KILEY IN MENARA - The Times, London - 5/24/00 . MID-EAST REALITIES http://www.MiddleEast.Org Phone: 202 362-5266 Fax: 815 366-0800 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject SUBSCRIBE To stop receiving MER email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject UNSUBSCRIBE A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] Gladiator; Argentus Scoutus? OHIO-RIVER . . . AWAY!
THE MARKET PLACE SPEAKS! AOL maintains a running poll [ YUCH!! gag me with a spoon] in their movie review section wherein visitors vote on several characteristics of currently running movies. I have listed below, the totals for several movies on that list; I have included only two of the figures listed for each film. The first figure is the number of visitors who entered their vote about the film and the second figure is the percentage of those voting who would recommend the movie to others as worth screening . . . HAMLET 201 55% BATTLEFIELD EARTH 4,103 32% ERIN BROKOVICH 5,907 89% ROAD TO ELDORADO1,696 62% GLADIATORS 23,969 93% *** I DREAMED OF AFRICA 962 45% RETURN TO ME2,135 92% U571728787% ROAD TRIP 3,109 87% THE SKULLS 3,493 79% RULES OF ENGAGEMENT 2,869 87% 28 DAYS 3,352 74% AMERICAN PSYCHO 2,395 54% BIG KAHUNA 264 57% COMMITTED 71 53% DINOSAUR3,496 82% PRICE OF GLORY 146 66% FREQUENCY 3,921 91% GOSSIP 843 67% SCREWED 2,543 67% FLINTSTONES VIVA LAS VEGAS 232245% While examining this list, I determined to reaffirm my support for bacteria . . . it's the only culture some people have! Daryl Stambaugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
I don't understand how the sickening aerial spraying is kept out of the 6 o'clock evening news. How? And why have no "scientists" taken up the topic. Which is worse, the media lid, or the aerial spraying. I've seen the chemtrails and I wasn't hallucinating! -- On Wed, 24 May 2000 05:49:04 nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. So let me get this straight. Nicky says that Steve says that ManBrad says that a guy on the Art Bell show says that he got an email from a guy he says is named Thomas who says some guys whose names we don't know but he claims were "meteorologists" made faces once so we're supposed to be scared the sky is falling. Yeah. OK. Sure. Maybe the sky is really falling. Hey, it could happen. But this is not evidence that the sky is falling. This is fifth-hand hearsay from people we have never even met. We have no proof whatsoever that any of them even exist. For all we know for certain they could all be literary creations, characters in some psycho-drama psy-op. Whatever they are, evidence they are not. Evidence they do not present. And if we can't learn how to tell the difference between hearsay and evidence, we are doomed to be herded like livestock for the rest of our lives. On the other hand, yeah, the government does do spray stuff in the air sometimes. For example: two miles from where I sit right now they once sprayed serratia marcescens into the air and infected the entire SF Bay Area. See: A High Form of Killing by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, ISBN 0-8090-5471-x, p 156. So we cannot, and should not, dismiss out of hand the possibility that foul play is afoot here. But let's be rational and follow the basic rules of logic and evidence as we investigate the possibility. How would you, personally, like to be convicted in a court of law and then imprisoned on the basis of fifth-hand hearsay? I didn't think so. So please, show us some common courtesy here and don't attempt to imprison our minds in a cage of unsubstianted claims, wild rumors and disinformation. The government, and the entities the animate it, all have a long, thick, rich history of engaging in massive disinformation campaigns. Is the whole chemtrail affair a psy-op? We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either. But we do what hearsay is, don't we? I do. If you don't, go buy a goddam dictionary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Rejected posting to CTRL@LISTSERV.AOL.COM
I received no indication that my earlier questions and comments on chemtrails had been successfully transmitted by mailcity.com Yahoo is the only one that doesn't drive me nuts but it's already busy with prj and M.O.M. (M.O.M. certainly presents some astounding info at times.) -- On Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:31 L-Soft list server at America Online (1.8d) wrote: Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it appears to have already been distributed to the CTRL list. That is, a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by someone else. If you have a good reason to resend this message to the list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware failure with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way and resend it to the list. Note that altering the "Subject:" line or adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same message. Rejected message (131 lines) - Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by listserv.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24543 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Wed May 24 11:28:19 2000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Conspiracy Theory Research List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:19 -0400 From: "Byron R Wahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky? X-Sender-Ip: 209.198.116.53 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand how the sickening aerial spraying is kept out of the 6 o'clock evening news. How? And why have no "scientists" taken up the topic. Which is worse, the media lid, or the aerial spraying. I've seen the chemtrails and I wasn't hallucinating! -- On Wed, 24 May 2000 05:49:04 nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: -Original Message- From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He is a chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado. At one point in the chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot. So let me get this straight. Nicky says that Steve says that ManBrad says that a guy on the Art Bell show says that he got an email from a guy he says is named Thomas who says some guys whose names we don't know but he claims were "meteorologists" made faces once so we're supposed to be scared the sky is falling. Yeah. OK. Sure. Maybe the sky is really falling. Hey, it could happen. But this is not evidence that the sky is falling. This is fifth-hand hearsay from people we have never even met. We have no proof whatsoever that any of them even exist. For all we know for certain they could all be literary creations, characters in some psycho-drama psy-op. Whatever they are, evidence they are not. Evidence they do not present. And if we can't learn how to tell the difference between hearsay and evidence, we are doomed to be herded like livestock for the rest of our lives. On the other hand, yeah, the government does do spray stuff in the air sometimes. For example: two miles from where I sit right now they once sprayed serratia marcescens into the air and infected the entire SF Bay Area. See: A High Form of Killing by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, ISBN 0-8090-5471-x, p 156. So we cannot, and should not, dismiss out of hand the possibility that foul play is afoot here. But let's be rational and follow the basic rules of logic and evidence as we investigate the possibility. How would you, personally, like to be convicted in a court of law and then imprisoned on the basis of fifth-hand hearsay? I didn't think so. So please, show us some common courtesy here and don't attempt to imprison our minds in a cage of unsubstianted claims, wild rumors and disinformation. The government, and the entities the animate it, all have a long, thick, rich history of engaging in massive disinformation campaigns. Is the whole chemtrail affair a psy-op? We don't know yet. We may never know. And we don't know what else it is or isn't, either. But we do what hearsay is, don't we? I do. If you don't, go buy a goddam dictionary. A
Re: [CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I've seen the chemtrails and I wasn't hallucinating! I've seen 'em, too, twice. That doesn't mean I know what they are. Unlike some people, I have the common decency to not say that I do when I know that I don't. More importantly, I don't repeat hearsay and treat it as fact. As far as I'm concerned, doing that just plays into the hands of whoever is behind whatever they are. Twice this spring I have seen the famous cross-hatch pattern over the city of San Francisco. I've avoided writing about it so far because I don't want to contribute to confusion and growing hysteria and because i haven't figured out what the hell is happening with this. But I go outside every day a couple times a day to walk my dog and every day I look up at the sky. I am intimately familiar with the contrail patterns normally produced by traffic at our local airports. These cross-hatches were substantially different. The first one I saw from my bike as I was riding near the Panhandle of Golden Gate Park. It appeared to be over North Beach, downtown and Pacific Heights. This was last February. The second was a couple of weeks ago. I was on Ocean Beach, near Kelly's Cove. This second cross-hatch appeared to be over the Sunset district. I'm on that beach every single day and I've never seen anything like this before or since. At two of the contrail intersections a peculiarity of light took place. One was a patch of iridescent turquoise. The sky was a uniform, cloudless azure. The turquoise patch stood out prominently. The other anomaly, also at an intersection of two of the trails, was an iridescent brownish orange. Both were bright, clear and above all uniform, laser-like, single frequency colors. That's weird, thinks I immediately, that looks like somebody is shining lasers on those things. But I shut up about it till now because, like I said, I don't want to fan the hysteria, at least not till I'm sure what I'm talking about. I don't, but I'd very much like to. What did I see? Anybody care to venture a guess? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] George W. Bush's Booze And Drug Problems...'
A very interesting commentary on the past of Bush. Can we ever get a candidate for prez that does not lie, cheat, or embarass themselves? - Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] state of CTRL list
hi, I signed off the CTRL list a month or so ago - and have recently rejoined to find that the nature of the conspiracy information coming through has polarised itself into several basic sets. 1. the long running jews and nazis thing 2. NRA vs. the FEDS 3. pseudo skeptical denial of the existence of ET life 4. the american elections assorted lion baiting It was not so long ago that we were collectively dealing with the y2k stuff, where various ex-military experts were talking about the end of the world, roundups and the beast incarnate announcing the nwo. I kept all of these posts. I even urged my mom and dad to stock up short term on basic essentials. I remember then posting words to the effect that nothing would happen - and luckily for me - nothing did ... to me it seemed like nothing was going to shift the wall of silence even if we wanted it to - the inexorable grind of the mass cull goes on whether we're hotheaded or not - eg. chemtrails, gm foods etc I think that it will take cool reasoning and some sense of perspective - for it may be that the predominately american list has become unsettled. I detect [from someone not exposed to the daily US political hype] that this list has been seriously wound up. Yes these are severe issues and a great deal is at stake - but so was Y2K remember - committing too early to a course of action - hotheads being flushed out of the moderates is my interpretation. I think you guys have been got somehow. I'm sorry if these comments offend anyone - I'm just trying to be helpful andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw::afp- Macedonian police seize Albanian with 57 kilos of marijuana
-Original Message- From: Aleksandar Stojsic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: SN796:afp- Macedonian police seize Albanian with 57 kilos of marijuana SKOPJE, May 23 (AFP) - Macedonian police and customs officers seized 57 kilos (125 pounds) of marijuana worth around (130,000 dollars/144,000 euros) on Tuesday at a crossing on the Bulgarian border, police said. The drug, of Albanian origin and destined for the Turkish market, was hidden in a car driven by an Albanian, who was arrested, they said. In April, Macedonian police seized 465 kilos (1,023 pounds) of marijuana at a border crossing with Albania. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: SN790:Bosnian Posavina (Part Eight)
- -Original Message- From: Elich, Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'siemvesti' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:01 PM Subject: SN790:Bosnian Posavina (Part Eight) PART EIGHT 3.5.3. Humiliation, Harassment and Intimidation The testimonies of all the former inmates of the prison camps, of Serbian nationality, given before the court, confirm that further to the above almost impossible living conditions regarding accommodation, food and hygiene in which the Serbs were living as inmates of the prison camps in Odzak which were beneath any human dignity, further to a multitude of forms of torture - body injuries inflicted on the inmates (as described hereinabove), and harassment of the inmates which shall be discussed further in this report, members of the Serbian nationality were also in different ways exposed to humiliation and intimidation. We shall state here several concrete examples of humiliation and intimidation. 3.5.3.1. In the month of May 1992 in the prison camp located in the premises of the Primary School in Odzak, Hodzic Adisa, member of the military police of the 102nd Odzak Brigade ordered the Serb inmate G.Z. to take off all of his clothes and then brought into the room a German boxer dog and took off the dog's protection basket but the dog on that occasion did not hurt the inmate. EVIDENCE: witness 280/95-39 3.5.3.2. In the prison camp located in the premises of the Primary School in Odzak during the year 1992 the inmates were ordered to hit each other, to lick the blood off the floor, to lick the boots of the staff, to hit the blackboard or the wall with their heads. EVIDENCE: witness 280/95-7 3.5.3.3. In the prison camp in the Primary School in Odzak during the year 1992 Terzic Albina called "Nina" member of the HVO military police, ordered the inmates to take off their pants and underwear and her dog the big Dane would sniffle their sexual organs. EVIDENCE: witness 191/94-13. 3.5.3.4. In the prison camp in Odzak during one "interrogation" during the month of May - June 1992 Nikolic Zdenko, member of the HVO military police of the 102nd Odzak Brigade, who was physically torturing on several occasions the inmate 191/94-4 from Trnjak, threw in front of him several pork bones that he was eating, saying: "Eat this, curse your Chetnik mother, this is for you, you are no better than the dogs". EVIDENCE: witness 191/94-4 3.5.3.5. GOLUBOVIC ANTO, as the prison camp commander in Odzak, TOLIC JOSIP, as the chief of the guards shift and TERZIC ALBINA called "Nina", several times organized the so-called "Camp Wedding" - of a woman inmate and a man inmate, members of Serbian nationality, with the music and in their presence and the presence of other inmates, forcing them to have a public sexual intercourse. EVIDENCE: 191/94-4 and 191/94-13 3.5.3.6. The witness 476/94-7 (born in 1960) testifies, inter alia, that in the prison camp in Odzak the following was happening: "...They took out J.G. and Dj.K. In front of every body they were forcing J to suck the sexual organ of Dj, and then to put a finger in each other's anus and lick the fingers..." This witness, certainly under the impression of everything that he suffered in the prison camps, is saying: "...The other martyrs can not complete this picture of humiliation and torture by their testimonies. They were killed. That is why I can say only one thing: those Serbs who are again in favor of the false brotherhood and unity, I wish to God that they will fall into the hands of their "brothers"..." 3.5.3.7. It should be mentioned that in the presented survey of the methods of torture - humiliation, harassment and intimidation committed against the members of Serbian nationality in the prison camps in the area of Bosnian Posavina, in this report in the section 3.2. presentation was given for the said forms of humiliation, harassment in the prison camps of Odzak as well and the evidence numbers quoted, so we shall not repeat this here. Furthermore, from the said presentation it is determined that in the prison camps in Odzak the other forms of humiliation, torture and intimidation were present. We shall state here several of them: A group bathing of naked inmates, even in front of citizens, by a jet of ice cold water under pressure (evidence: witnesses 55/85-8, 424/95-41); Forcing of inmates to kiss the boots of the guards and then kicking of the inmate on the head with the same boot (evidence: witness 424/95-34) For all the stated crimes against civilian population - members of Serbian nationality, the direct responsible perpetrators are, of course, the individuals whose names were stated, and certainly Golubovic Anto as the prison camp commander. 3.5.4. Killing of Serbian Inmates in the Prison Camps in Odzak Further to the already presented various types of torture - body injuring of inmates, members of Serbian nationality in the prison camps in Odzak, the presented poor, almost impossible, living conditions
[CTRL] Fw: SN791:Bosnian Posavina (Part Nine)
-Original Message- From: Elich, Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'siemvesti' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 8:06 PM Subject: SN791:Bosnian Posavina (Part Nine) PART NINE 3.6.4.4. BLAGOJEVIC DESANKA, a nurse from Tesanj, was killed during the transfer of the Serb inmates from the prison camp in Bosanski Brod to the prison camp in Slavonski Brod. Mlivic Kadrija from Sijekovac, member of the 101st Bosnian Brdska Brigade killed her from fire arms. Previously she was detained in the prison camps in Brod - at the stadium and in the Secondary School Center. Her liquidation was preceded by the most ruthless torture and rape perpetrated by Mlivic Kadrija, together with Jurkovic called "Mangas", also a member of the 101st Bosnian Brdska Brigade. About the torture to which Blagojevic Desanka was subjected testified several witnesses: The witness 584/94-14 stated the following before the investigating judge: "...I also know that at the prison camp in the stadium there was a medical nurse Desa Blagojevic from Tesanj, I think she was born in 1946. She was raped in front of us in the room in which I was detained. I remember that upon the return from interrogation on one occasion she was all burnt up. Her posterior was all burnt and she told us that they forced her to sit on a red hot stove and that they were placing the red hot fire on the other parts of her body. I saw myself her burnt up posterior because I was personally washing her up together with a certain M. I do not know her family name. That woman was washed also by a certain M.R.. I think she is from Odzak...During the transfer to Slavonski Brod, since Desa was all beaten up and burnt up, she could not move without assistance from others and she was helped by M.R. Suddenly a round of ammunition was fired and afterwards M.R. told us that Desa was killed by a certain Kadrija Mlivic who was transferring us. She told me that I will not have to wash Desa any more..." The witness 267/94-2 (584/94-32) testifies as follows: "...Lukica Jozic from Kovac was the commander in chief of the prison camp in the stadium. In that Ustashi bestial lard I had spent about one month. In that period they brought also Desanka...she was working abroad and was going home. She fell into the Ustashi hands and experienced a terrible fate. She was not only raped. They pulled all the hair from her head, so that she was bald. They were placing her naked on the red hot electric stove. She was all burnt up. They were literally frying her posterior, elbows and knees. She was lying immobile. The burnt up parts of her body were stinking - the live meat on her body started to putrefy...Before they killed her they raped her and so deformed...on the red hot stove they fried her - Jurkovic called "Mangas" from Bosanski Brod, Ustashi with the nick name of "Bekan" and "Cicak", both from Sijekovac. I will remember for ever her terrible screams, how she cried the terrible insufferable screams of anguish. She was taken out by a Ustasha who came with a huge dog...During the liberation of Brod by the Republic of Srpska Army in early October 1992, Ustashi ordered us all, suffering and exhausted, to cross the bridge by running between Bosanski and Slavonski Brod. So burnt up and physically completely destroyed Desanka could not walk. She was killed by Kadrija Mlivic and Jurkovic called "Mangas". They both shot at her from their guns and this I have seen with my own eyes and have remembered as one of the terrible images that I shall forever have on my mind..." The witness 593/94-29 (280/95-45), born in 1951, stated, inter alia, the following: "... In late September 1992 the said group was transferred to the Secondary School Center "Fric Pavlik" in Brod where the prison camp was located from the people from the area of Brod and Odzak and where we remained until October 6, 1992, when the inmates were, on foot and in a column, taken over the bridge on Sava river to Slavonski Brod. During the crossing of the bridge, I was helping a woman, some 40 years old, I think she was called Desanka, who was from rape and torture almost unable to move, and furthermore her skin on knees and elbows was all in wounds because she was roasted on the stove. During the last day she was talking without much sense. Then I took her across the bridge in a group with the other inmates. She could no longer walk and although it was raining, she lied down in the wet grass close to the bridge. Then a certain Kadrija from Sijekovac, approached, a younger man and of medium height, of poor under nourished build, with short brown curly hair, later I heard in Orasje that his family name is Mlivic or Milvic, and with him were another two or three to me unknown persons, military policemen who were escorting the column of inmates. After he had approached us, Kadrija started cursing and told me "You go on, we will take care of her". After I crossed some hundred meters, I heard two or three shots, I can not say whether
[CTRL] Antiglobalization
The following article appeared in Left Business Observer #71, January 1996. It was written by Doug Henwood, editor and publisher. It retains its copyright and may not be reprinted or redistributed in any form - print, electronic, facsimile, anything - without the permission of LBO. Antiglobalization Since the heavily advertised death of socialism, if there's an idea that unites much leftish economic thought today, it's that globalization is the root of many evils. It's a strangely amorphous enemy, one at odds with the usual progressive celebration of diversity, and an interesting shift for a tradition that was once deeply cosmopolitan. An excellent laboratory for studying antiglobalism was assembled in New York in November by the International Forum on Globalization, "a project of El Bosque." El Bosque is a project of Doug Tompkins, cofounder of Esprit. The one delightful thing about the conference was the attendance -- 2,000, with a pleasingly low median age. Many more of these conferences are promised over the next few years. The opening plenary, held in Riverside Church (a project of the Rockefeller family), assembled a long night's worth of speakers -- Maude Barlow (Council of Canadians), John Cavanagh (Institute for Policy Studies), Barbara Dudley (Greenpeace), David Korten (author), Ralph Nader, Carl Pope (Sierra Club), and Vandana Shiva (Third World Network). The MC was adman Jerry Mander, who believes that TV, which he hates, will soon implode of its own contradictions. Mander is on the board of El Bosque and is the program director for Tompkins' Foundation for Deep Ecology, whose funding was acknowledged, along with that of the Goldsmith Foundation. Korten's book When Corporations Rule the World embodies a lot of the antiglobalist thinking common among progressive nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) and the philanthropists who fund them. The volume, subsidized in part by Tompkins, is blurbed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu; John Cavanagh and Richard Barnet, authors of Global Dreams; catalog merchant and economic moralist Paul Hawken; Doug Tompkins; and Teddy Goldsmith, editor of The Ecologist. The New Internationalist just reviewed it enthusiastically. In his prologue, Korten says he was born "into a conservative, white upper-middle-class family" who ran a retail business in a small Washington timber town -- and the unexamined consciousness of a small-town worthy permeates the entire book. He went to Stanford, got an MBA and PhD; taught at the Harvard Business School, which he left for the Ford Foundation and then the U.S. Agency for International Development (AID). Korten shares these details "to establish the depth of [his] conservative roots" -- a theme that recurs in his hymns to Adam Smith. While with AID, Korten had an epiphany -- AID was too big, too bureaucratic, and too centralized, stifling local autonomy and initiative. He left AID for the NGO world, where people were "asking basic questions about the nature and process of development." Korten exhibits an American distaste of big government, without noticing that the U.S. has one of the most decentralized state systems on earth. This decentralization has accomplished not local "empowerment" (a word that deserves a long vacation) but fragmentation, duplication, and bidding wars for corporate investment -- not to mention Jim Crow laws. The Garden It's common in quasi-radical thinking to imagine a Golden Age with a better set of rulers, now displaced by vile usurpers. In the old days, says Korten, "rich and poor alike...shared a sense of national and community interest." So "the problem is not business or the market per se but a badly corrupted global economic system that is gyrating far beyond human control. The dynamics of this system have become so powerful and perverse that it is becoming increasingly difficult for corporate managers to manage in the public interest, no matter how strong their moral values and commitment." When was this Golden Age? The 1960s, when GE was filling the Hudson with PCBs? The 1930s, when Chase was banking with Nazis? Or the 1890s, when Carnegie's Pinkertons shot strikers? Was it the 1850s, when British industrialists kidnapped children to work in their factories, and when the locally owned bakeries of London worked their staffs up to 20 hours a day to produce bread fortified with, in the words of a contemporary, "a certain quantity of human perspiration mixed with the discharge of abscesses, cobwebs, dead cockroaches and putrid German yeast, not to mention alum, sand and other agreeable mineral ingredients"? Golden Age myths belong to literature, not nonfictions, but even there they vanish on close inspection. As Raymond Williams tells it in The Country and the City, Leavis' 1930s culture lamented the loss of the "organic community" of the turn of the century; just before the century's turn, Hardy wrote of the lost England of the 1830s; the 1830s had Cobbett writing of the
[CTRL] Boom for whom?
Boom for whom? This is an update, and not an exhaustive treatment of the subject. For a more thorough income and poverty workout, see articles in LBO issues 61, 65, 66, 69, 80, and 86, the supplement on income and poverty on this site, or Doug Henwood's book A New Economy?, due later this year from Verso. "Boom" is the word typically used to describe the U.S. economy these days. True enough if you own stocks. But, according to the Census Bureau's annual reports on income and poverty published last fall, the median U.S. household - the one in the very middle of the income distribution, with half the households above it, and half below - was only just a hair better off in 1998 than it was in 1989. In fact, most of the boom years have been devoted to recovering the income losses of the early 1990s. Poor households - those in the bottom 20% of the income distribution - still hadn't recovered 1989's level. And this in a time when GDP was up almost 30% after adjustment for inflation - 14% per capita, after accounting for population increase. graph So where'd all the growth go? It went mainly into the pockets of the richest 5%, whose incomes are up 22% since 1989, with more than half of it coming in the last 5 years. (And though the Census figures don't show it, other sources show that those gains mainly went to the top 1shy;2%.) Inequality of family incomes in 1998, as measured by the Gini index (see box on facing page), was at its highest ever since the Census Bureau started publishing annual figures in 1947; that for the broader category of households (which includes singles and nonfamily arrangements) fell slightly from 1997's record level. Figures for years before 1947 are hard to come by, but by at least one measure - that assembled by Eugene Smolensky and Robert Plotnick - the U.S. hasn't seen this level of polarization since the 1930s. The figures are much worse than the 1980s, when people used to worry more loudly about inequality; now, with a Democrat in the White House, think-tank liberals are less likely to moan. graph? Finer details The gender gap narrowed slightly from 1997 to 1998, but that progress has slowed considerably in recent years. Women earned 54% as much as men in 1998, barely higher than 4 years earlier. For year-round, full-time workers, women earned 74% as much as men, slightly lower than in 1996. It's hard to tell whether this is just a pause, or something of longer-term significance; one reason to believe the former is that men tend to work in more cyclical industries, like manufacturing, so they do relatively better in good times and relatively worse in bad ones. But maybe women have run into an economy-wide glass ceiling. We'll see. Racial/ethnic gaps are a mixed bag. Though the black/white differential has been closing raggedly since the late 1980s, that's not true of the last couple of years (though it should be pointed out that this is because white incomes were up more strongly than black, not because of a decline in black incomes). So-called "Hispanic" households - the skeptical phrasing and punctuation is an expression of doubt that this category has much analytical power, given the vast difference between the groups gathered under this single label - have been doing better in recent years. But that bounce barely compensates for the widening of the income gap from the early 1980s into the early 1990s, which is mainly the result of the arrival of poorer immigrants. (For more on immigration see p. 8.) [Article in print edition; not on this site.] Poverty The poverty rate declined slightly from 1997 to 1998, from 11.6% to 11.2% - but the trend over the last 20 years has been remarkably flat, despite supposed boom conditions. And that's by a very flawed measure. The U.S. poverty line was established nearly 50 years ago, on the basis of some very casual research: the government's estimate of a minimal food budget was simply multiplied by three, on the rationale that households spent an average of one-third of their incomes on food, and that level has been adjusted for inflation ever since. No adjustment has been made for rising average incomes or changing consumption norms. As a result, the poverty line has continued to decline as a percentage of median incomes - from 43% of the median in 1959 to 33% in 1982 to 28% in 1998. Were poverty defined more reasonably - like, say, half the median income, a common metric among academic researchers - U.S. poverty rates would be half again to twice as high as they are. The good news about poverty is that the black poverty rate is the lowest on record, by a very flawed measure. The bad news is that almost 28% of female-headed households are officially poor, and 19% of our children live in poor households. The amount of money it would take to bring all officially poor households up to the poverty line is amazingly small: 0.5% of GDP, or just over 3% of the income of the richest fifth of households. It would take a bit more
Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?
Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: How could this ever compare with my main rival Allan Greenspan whose economic theories are based on those of yet another co-religionist of ours, Ayn Rand. Are all you co-religionists atheists or do you all have the same "genetic markers" for religion x? FWP. Poley, That is a very intelligent question. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You are a fraud.
Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: 5/23/00 It's over now Yair. Genetics have put an end to your con game. No more extracting book money from those pathetic Biblical Israelite wannabes. You should be made to pay back every penny you got from these idiots. If I lived in Israel, I would have you and those Bible Code con men arrested for intentionally defrauding the public. Find new snake oil to sell the idiots buddy, this con is over. Genetic markers have defined who's who. Joshua2 What markers, J2? FWP. Magic markers Poley. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CIA, AFL-CIO, and Pinochet
What a spectacular find Kris. This is superb. This will go into my " understanding the New World Order " under Foxes in the Hen House. A section which explains why the Labor Elite are part of the Corporate Elite. Thanks. Joshua2 Kris Millegan wrote: Click Here: A HREF="http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42a/126.html"CIA, AFL-CIO, and Pinochet/A - Documents menu Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 01:57:00 -0800 Reply-To: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Kim Scipes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CIA, AFL-CIO, and Pinochet To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIA, AFL-CIO, and Pinochet From Kim Scipes 2 December 1998 December 2, 1998 Dear Folks-- I am delighted to hear that the Clinton Administration has decided to release some of the files relating to the tortures and killing of Pinochet (New York Times, December 2, 1998)." But they should fully disclose all of their files not only about events during Pinochet's rule, but for all of the events of which they have knowledge, and I especially refer to events both before and during the coup against the Allende government. The Times reports that "The secret files on the Pinochet regime are held by the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the State Department, the Pentagon, the National Security Council, the National Archives, the Presidential libraries of Gerald R. Ford and Jimmy Carter, and other governmental agencies." However, already high-level CIA officials--unidentified, of course--are arguing against such disclosure." In fact, a former CIA official who served in Chile was quoted in theTimes as saying, "The CIA had nothing to do with the coup ... but it wasn't a complete surprise." As Bill Cosby might say, "Right!" It's time for a little labor history." This is going to be a little long, since I'm going to try to tie a lot of stuff together." But damn few people know this story, and I think it will be worth following me to the end of this message." In 1987, the Meiklejohn Civil Liberties Union in Berkeley, California published a quite interesting two volume work entitled The Cold War Against Labor, focusing primarily on the period in the late 1940s-early 1950s, but not entirely--they also published some material that was contemporaneous." This, incidentally, was an anthology edited by Ann Fagan Ginger and David Christiano." (Meiklejohn can be reached at P.O. Box 673, Berkeley, CA 94701, USA.) In Volume 2, there is a fascinating article on pages 723-768 by Fred Hirsch and Virginia Muir, that I recommend highly." The article, told from Fred's perspective, is titled "A Plumber Gets Curious About Exporting McCarthyism."" Fred, at that time, was a plumber and long-time member of Plumbers Fitters Local 393; Viriginia a member of Local 29, Office and Professional Employees International Union, both affiliated to the AFL-CIO." [AFL-CIO stands for American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations:" this is the result of a 1955 merger between two separate organizations, although some of the CIO unions had been in the AFL before a split in 1935.]" Fred and Virigina lived in San Jose, California." (And although it's been a while since I've seen either of them, Fred and I worked together some in the 1980s to counter the AFL-CIO's international labor operations.) Fred investigated the coup in Chile after it had taken place, and found that the AFL-CIO had been deeply involved." He presented his evidence to the Santa Clara County Labor Council, and the Labor Council condemned the AFL-CIO role in Chile." This article includes some of Fred's material about AFL-CIO labor activities in Latin America, in Chile and elsewhere. This is a very detailed and extensive article that is extensively referenced--and I am going to try to summarize it." One word of warning--the article is very long, and to save space, the editors sometimes referred to the same entry several times, so they just referred to the general work and not to specific pages." This will probably irritate some readers, but it's a problem of the editing, not of my citing." This is complex, so you will have to be patient--I need to tell enough to make this comprehensible. We have to go back to the founding of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in 1919." The "CFR calls itself a 'non-partisan and non-commercial organization studying the international aspects of America's political, economic, strategic and financial problems,' such study leading to 'actions the US or elements in the US should take about particular problems or questions in the world."" [Hirsch Muir (hereafter, HM): 728]." [Kim note:"
Re: [CTRL] allegations against priests
Dear List, Below please find an article about allegations against priests. Sincerely, Neil Brick excerpt from http://www.tremont-sheldon.com/church/church.html This article may be triggering for survivors of abuse. all accusations are alleged Sexual Abuse by Priests Citizens of Connecticut were shocked in January of 1993 when two lawsuits were brought on behalf of individuals who were (allegedly) sexually abused by ... a Catholic Priest in the Diocese of Bridgeport. Over the next two months, fifteen additional individuals stepped forward claiming that they too were sexually abused... The publicity of the ... case empowered other victims of sexual abuse by Catholic Priests to step forward. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Message From Lloyd Pye
Hello, Everyone! For four hours tomorrow night I will be on the Coast To Coast show (Art Bell's old haunt) with Mike Siegel. This will be my "get acquainted" session with Mike, and I look forward to meeting him. We are supposed to be going over some of my old material about hominoids and human origins, but we will also go over some of the new material I have been discovering about human origins while doing research for Book Two. The most important of these is my exploration of the so-called "aquatic theory" of man's early development, which I feel is as significant as anything I have ever found in this field. And, of course, I will have the latest updates on the Starchild testing from the Canadian researchers. They've turned up a couple of genuine humdingers! The program begins at 10:00 pm Pacific Time (1:00 am Eastern) and runs until 2:00 am Pacific time (5:00 am Eastern). You can listen to the program live on your computer by going to www.artbell.com and clicking on the listen button at the top of the page. If you can't listen live (and I realize most of you can't), you can listen to the archive on the same page. And to obtain a list of radio stations that carry the program live nationally, go to http://www.artbell.com/stations.html . New Orleans residents can hear it at WSMB, 1350 AM. In addition to the above, I hope to also be announcing what I am about to tell you now as a kind of "advance preview." As most of you know, I wrote fiction for many years. During those years I produced a large body of material. For a long time now it has simply been hidden from view, either unpublished or long out of print. Now I have found a way to make ALL of my major material available for public consumption, and I will be asking the audience--as I am asking you now--for help in deciding how to deal with this project. Because the sales end of my marketing campaign has overwhelmed me, I can no longer meet the demand for my book and continue with my research and writing at the same time. So I am now entering into an agreement with a company called iUniverse (www.iUniverse.com), which is designed to get books out to market in both e-book format and as regular print-on-demand books. For me this is the best of all possible worlds because it relieves me of pressures and obligations I have simply been unable to live up to lately. By the start of the show with Mike, my website will be completely revamped to feature the six new fiction offerings I will soon be making available as e-books and as regular books. It addition to "Everything You Know Is Wrong," I will be offering five novels and three optioned movie scripts (separately as e-books and together as a regular book), all of which will hopefully be available for acquisition by the end of August. But the sequence I choose to produce them will be important because converting each one to the proper format is difficult and time consuming. "Everything You Know Is Wrong" will be first, of course, so it will be available for purchase again by the end of July. What I need to know is the order I should work on the rest of them. If you can give me an hour or so from your busy life, I would very much appreciate you reading the synopsis of each of the five books and the screenplays (this is not as extensive as it sounds), rank them in your order of preference, and email those results to me. You don't have to bother with the excerpts of each if you don't want to. Those are more of a selling tool than an evaluation tool. And I need your feedback within the next week, if possible, because as soon as I prepare Book One for republication with iUniverse, I will be needing to know which of the fiction books the majority of you would like to see made available first. Eventually all of them will be made available, but as you can see, the sequence I do them in will be important. The bad news is that this sidetrack is going to require two months of my time, if not more. At this point I can only guess, but it seems like a lot of work. Understand that much of what I wrote in the old days was done on typewriters (for those of you who can't remember that far back, they were what we used before computers!). So every page of that material has to be scanned into the computer and then formatted into Word. And, of course, some of it has to be edited to close the gap between when it was written and today. Though this will have a definite negative impact on my schedule for Book Two, I believe it will be worth it in the long run. It is a one-time effort I will never have to make again, and it truly is something I've been anxious to do for a long time. I was a good fiction writer, and I'm confident that people will like my work as much today as they did in the past. So now when someone asks me if they can read any of my fiction, I won't have to tell them it is all out of print. It will be available to anyone who wants it. But not for another month or two! Thanks for paying
Re: [CTRL] I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW...
In a message dated 5/24/00 10:58:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So yes, Michael can posts more. If he oversteps his "power", this is an electronic jungle and the "club: will come out 'da sky. I'd suggest that this power is being abused then...granted his posts are informative but c'mon!!! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush And The Jewish Vote...
Houses of the holy George W. Bush offers an olive branch to Jewish voters while trying to set a different tone from his father's squabbles with pro-Israel lobbying groups. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Jake Tapper May 24, 2000 | In a speech to the country's most influential Zionist interest group Monday, Texas Gov. George W. Bush tried to out-Israel Vice President Al Gore, even issuing a stern rebuke to the Clinton administration for "attempt(ing) to take sides in the most recent Israeli election." "America should not interfere in Israel's democratic process," Bush said to the thunderous applause of 1,600 delegates at the 40th annual policy conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC. "And America will not interfere in Israeli elections when I am president." Democrats in the White House and the campaign trail immediately slammed Bush's comments. Calling the charges irresponsible and baseless, Gore spokesman Chris Lehane mocked the presumptive GOP nominee's past geographic confusion. "George W. Bush seems as confused about the Middle East peace process as he was confounded about the difference between the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea," said Lehane, referring to a September 1999 Bush statement in which he apparently confused the two bodies of water. "Al Gore's leadership credentials on facilitating the Middle East peace process are impeccable, while Bush is suffering from an antiquated analysis, reminiscent of the Republican approach of the 1980s." When read Bush's remarks, National Security Council spokesman P.J. Crowley erupted with laughter. "He's suggesting that we interfered in the Israeli elections?" Crowley asked. After reviewing a copy of the speech, which he called "naive" and "puzzling," Crowley stated that "U.S. administrations -- Democratic and Republican alike -- are steadfast in avoiding any interference in the electoral processes in other countries; it's a ridiculous charge. These have been choices for the Israeli people to make as part of a very vibrant democratic electoral process." But far more important than Bush's attempt to distinguish himself from Gore was his attempt in this speech to separate his policy and position toward Israel from that of his father. Bush the senior was criticized in October 1991 by Morris Amitay, a past president of AIPAC, who was quoted in the Jerusalem Report accusing a comment by President Bush as having come "close to inciting anti-Semitism." Added Amitay: "We no longer have a president who sees the value of a strategic relation with a country like Israel in a region as unstable as the Middle East." This Bush -- continuing to reach out to traditionally Democratic voting blocks -- however, made sure to cut quite a different figure. In his speech Monday, Gov. Bush went on to outline several positions guaranteed to meet with AIPAC claps -- moving the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv, Israel, to Jerusalem; standing against "the ancient wrong of anti-Semitism" as most recently demonstrated with the "unjust" imprisonment of 13 Iranian Jews accused of espionage; military aid to Israel such as that provided by the Arrow missile defense system. And along the way, with help from a supporter and AIPAC board member, Mayer "Bubba" Mitchell, Bush portrayed his position on the Middle East's lone democracy as quite different from the one held by a certain, nameless ex-president. "He staked out his own position and showed that he's his own man and he does his own thing," said one official of a pro-Israel organization who attended the conference. "It was a call to the Jewish community where he said, 'Do not visit the sins of the father on the son.' That's how I took it, anyway, and that's how many members of the audience took it. It was a very, very pro-Israel speech." Maybe it needed to be. While many AIPAC members saw Ronald Reagan as one of the nation's most pro-Israel presidents, the Governor's father is seen by many of those same AIPAC members as one of history's worst presidents for U.S.-Israel relations. Thus Bush quoted Reagan in his remarks to the AIPAC, while his father went unmentioned. Additionally, the man who introduced Bush -- "Bubba" Mitchell, a Mobile, Ala., resident and past chairperson of AIPAC's board -- did reference the younger Bush's foreign policy advisers as familiar faces, ones seen as pro-Israel, such as Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz, "arguably the most supportive secretary of state in the history of the state of Israel," according to Mitchell. Other advisers to Gov. Bush cited by Mitchell include Richard Perle, Reagan's assistant secretary of defense for international security policy; Ambassador Paul Wolfowitz, Bush's undersecretary of defense for policy and dean of the School for Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University; Ambassador Richard Armitage, Reagan's assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs; and Dr. Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's National Security
[CTRL] Nealz Nuze Editorial
From: http://boortz.com/nealznuz.htm SO --- YOU PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS KIDDING, HUH? Well ... You're wrong. You are right to doubt though. As I say, don't believe anything you hear on my program or read on my site unless it is consistent with what you already know to be true, or you have verified the information with other reputable sources. Now, what are we talking about? Do you remember those storm troopers that grabbed Elian in Miami? Well, we have an innocuous little law working its way through the Congress that would make it easier for Janet Reno to send those same people into your home, conduct a search, seize or copy things such as your papers, photos, computer disks and hard drives, and then leave. Would they have to leave a copy of the search warrant as they do now? Nope. Would they still have to leave an inventory of what they copied or took? Nope. Would they still have to even notify you that they were there and conducted the search? Well ... yes. But not until months later. Is this another one of those Democrat intrusions into our privacy and rights? Actually, no. It's Republican. The culprit is none other than Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah. It's all part of the absurd war on drugs. It's part of something called the Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation act. The purpose is to make it easier for federal agents to bust the meth labs out there ... but the law can be used for any other federal enforcement activity. Searching for evidence of tax evasion. Taking a peek to see what kind of guns you have around the house. You name it. Day after day politicians figure out different and innovative ways to infringe on our privacy and chip away at our Constitutional rights --- and, more often than not, they use the war on drugs as their excuse. So, here's the scenario under Hatch's nifty little law. The IRS suspects you of not disclosing all of your income. The BATF wonders just how many guns you own. The DEA thinks you might be smoking a little chronic after a hard days work. So --- they use this law to get a warrant. They enter your home while you're away. They make copies of any papers or pictures they're interested in. They take pictures. They copy your computer disks. They make a copy of your hard drive. They note what types of books you read, videos you watch, and magazines you subscribe to. Then they leave. When you get home you have no idea they've been there. No warrant. No notes. No thank you letter. No inventory of items taken or copied. No nothing. Federal agents have been crawling around your private home and you aren't even told. Not then, anyway. Finally, four, five, six months from now you receive a letter from the FBI, the BATF, the DEA or some other federal agency saying something like "Oh, yeah ... we meant to tell you that we were in your house about five months ago and we copied all your files. Have a nice day." But --- as the average year-2000 American would say; "Well, if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about." Any person who utters those words ought to have their voting privileges revoked. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/article2.asp?ID=203 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/2524_xex_barr_pleads_.shtml = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] A Thomas Sowell Editorial
"Ours may become the first civilization destroyed, not by the power of our enemies, but by the ignorance of our teachers and the dangerous nonsense they are teaching our children. In an age of artificial intelligence, they are creating artificial stupidity." http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp Random thoughts NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY, some people will hear only what they want to hear. Old age at least gives me an excuse for not being very good at things that I was not very good at when I was young. It is amazing how many people consider it an answer to criticism to call it "bashing." Apologizing for sins committed by other people in the past seems to have become a political vogue. Considering all the wrongs committed around the world for centuries -- against people of every race, color, creed, national origin, and sexual orientation -- if we are going to apologize for all that, we are not going to have any time left to get anything else done. Why do the people who create computer software inundate you with so many confusing features that it is an ordeal to cut your way through the jungle of options to try to reach the simple thing you want to do? It is painful watching Senator John McCain straining to keep himself in the public eye while the Republicans' choice of a vice presidential candidate is pending -- all the while protesting that he doesn't want the nomination. First, there was his gratuitous revisit to South Carolina to flip-flop on the confederate flag issue, and then came his well-publicized visit to the prison where he was once held in Vietnam -- something he never did in all the years before. The promotion of "self-esteem" in our schools has been so successful that people feel free to spout off about all sorts of things -- and see no reason why their opinions should not be taken as seriously as the views of people who actually know what they are talking about. Being in the right place at the right time plays a bigger role in our lives than many are ready to admit. Earle Combs played center field for the New York Yankees for more than a decade and had the same lifetime batting average as Joe DiMaggio (.325). Yet Combs is virtually forgotten, because he played in the shadow of Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig. Doesn't anyone find it strange that Attorney General Janet Reno gave us sermonettes on "the rule of law" in the Elian Gonzalez case at the very same time when she was announcing that those who violated federal laws by making Linda Tripp's private personnel records public would not be prosecuted? The political left's answer to Third World poverty is classic: Let Third World countries welsh on their loans, but don't let them sell the fruits of their labor in the United States, and harass multinational corporations that provide some of the best jobs in poor countries. What these policies have in common, besides being crazy, is that they all enable the left to feel morally superior. Ours may become the first civilization destroyed, not by the power of our enemies, but by the ignorance of our teachers and the dangerous nonsense they are teaching our children. In an age of artificial intelligence, they are creating artificial stupidity. One of the great meaningless phrases of our times is: "I take full responsibility." This does not mean that you are prepared to pay the consequences for what you have done. On the contrary, this statement is usually offered instead of taking the consequences. If you don't believe that the relationship between men and women is being cheapened, non-stop around the clock, then just go channel-surfing on cable TV at any hour of the day or night. Despite both liberals and conservatives piling on Hillsdale College, because of a personal tragedy there, I would send my children to Hillsdale over many other colleges with bigger names. A recent television re-run showed the Lone Ranger shooting a gun out of the bad guy's hand, while galloping full speed on his horse Silver. Maybe that is why a generation raised on this kind of stuff has such unrealistic expectations of police shooting. The political left loves to refer disdainfully to people who have "faith in the free market." Mountains of empirical evidence from countries around the world on the superior performances of free markets are thus dismissed as mere faith. Meanwhile, the repeated failures of government-run economies are attributed to personal mistakes by Stalin, Mao or others -- thereby preserving the left's faith in political control of economic decisions, if only the right people were in charge. When you look at the actual consequences of "corporate greed" versus corporate philanthropy, you find that greed doesn't do nearly as much harm. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [CTRL] A Thomas Sowell Editorial
OK...5 million posts a day is one thing but now we're subject to every right-wing republican's editorials too??? Yuck! Please cease the insanity! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FOX: Paula Jones Fears Vengeance From Clinton; Says No to Penthouse (fwd)
Paula Jones Fears Vengeance From Clinton; Says No to Penthouse Fox News-Tuesday, May 23, 2000 NEW YORK Paula Jones said she fears that when President Clinton leaves office he may have her killed or injured out of vengeance for her allegations that he sexually harassed her. During an exclusive interview with Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes, she said friends have told her they too fear that "when Clinton gets out of office, he'll have something done to me." She said she told her friends that she is a good car driver and would never take her own life, so they should suspect foul play if she is found dead by an apparent suicide or car accident. "He may not do it himself," she said, but "he will always have the authority to get what he wants done." However, when questioned if she had any proof that the president plans to harm her, she admitted, "Well, I have no proof whatsoever." She attributed her suspicion to rumors she's heard about Clinton, adding "he still thinks he's above the law." The interview came a day after a committee of the Arkansas Supreme Court recommended that President Clinton be disbarred for giving false testimony about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky during the Jones case, and she called that a "great decision." "He's supposed to be a role model," she said, "And he's not a role model." "He's like a duck out of water; everything runs off his back." Jones said she is confident she would have won her case against the president, which Clinton settled for $800,000, because the president "knew he was going to lose, and that's why he settled the case." She also denied Penthouse magazine publisher Bob Guccione's claims that he was close to making a deal with her to pose naked in his magazine. "I'd never, ever pose naked for a men's magazine, ever" Jones said. Jones also said that since she's been out of the spotlight she's been living "a normal Arkansas life," raising two young sons and "doing the soccer stuff." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Thomas Sowell Editorial
Bill OK...5 million posts a day is one thing but now we're subject to every right-wing republican's editorials too??? Yuck! Please cease the insanity! MJ Why not explain WHY Dr. Sowell's piece is 'nonsense' rather than utilizing Hillary Clinton's tact at diverting attention from substance and to personalities -- real or imagined. Regard$, --MJ The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. -- Bill Clinton A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Thomas Sowell Editorial
In a message dated 5/24/00 6:52:42 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not explain WHY Dr. Sowell's piece is 'nonsense' rather than utilizing Hillary Clinton's tact at diverting attention from substance and to personalities -- real or imagined. Who said it was "nonsense"?? It probably is but I didn't say that it was...I simply lamented the fact that this fellow is posting TONS of info and now he's posting right-wing editorials... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FOX: Paula Jones Fears Vengeance From Clinton; Says No to Penthous...
In a message dated 5/24/00 6:49:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: NEW YORK â Paula Jones said she fears that when President Clinton leaves office he may have her killed or injured out of vengeance for her allegations that he sexually harassed her. So what? She's a paranoid dimwit with an exaggerated sense of self-importance...we already knew that...plus the fact that she ain't worthy of Penthouse's pages...Chic or Gallery maybe... Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 'I Won't Pose Naked': Paula Jones fears Clinton's Revenge (fwd)
[I think she's damn justified in being cautious about the vengeance thing! Also, if my memory serves me correctly, not long after the harassment case broke she posed for Playboy, I think, not nude but close. That kinda takes the bite off the "never" statement, no? --MS] Newsmax-Inside Cover Wednesday May 24, 2000; 2:28 AM EDT 'I Won't Pose Naked': Paula Jones Contradicting recent reports that she was set to do a nude layout in Penthouse magazine, Paula Jones said Tuesday night that she would never pose naked in any men's magazine. In her first interview since an Arkansas Supreme Court committee recommended that President Clinton be disbarred for testifying falsely in her sexual harassment lawsuit, Jones told Fox News Channel's "Hannity Colmes": "Let me tell you, this is the first time I've said this publicly and I want to say it on your show. I will never pose nude for any men's magazine. Never! And that's all I have to say about that." Jones said comments last week by Penthouse publisher Bob Guccione suggesting she was on the verge of signing a contract to do the nude layout were false. Reacting to the court's recommendation that Clinton be disbarred, Jones said, "I think it's a great decision. ... I know they would have never made that decision unless they realized that Clinton did lie in my deposition and that he defrauded the court." Asked whether she thought Clinton should be indicted for perjury, Jones told Sean Hannity, "In my opinion, I think he should, because he lied and he is the president. He's supposed to be a role model to all people, children, men, women. And he is not a role model to anybody." And Jones says she still fears that Clinton may exact revenge for her sexual harassment lawsuit, which ultimately led to his impeachment. "Absolutely. I was just talking about that tonight with some friends of mine. They have concerns about that. They really believe that when he gets out of office he will have something done to me. ... There is nothing I would not doubt that that man would try to have done." Asked what evidence she had to support such suspicions, the Clinton accuser told Alan Colmes about incidents that made her fearful while she was living in California: "I had to report things to the police department in Long Beach. People [were] following me and my children to the park. Don't know who they were. They were not reporters." Jones said she remains concerned, telling Colmes, "Don't think I am not on my guard every single day." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Thomas Sowell Editorial
MJ Why not explain WHY Dr. Sowell's piece is 'nonsense' rather than utilizing Hillary Clinton's tact at diverting attention from substance and to personalities -- real or imagined. Bill Who said it was "nonsense"?? MJ Note 'nonsense' in quotes ... this was implied. Bill It probably is but I didn't say that it was...I simply lamented the fact that this fellow is posting TONS of info and now he's posting right-wing editorials... MJ Yes, and I was simply pointing to your use of logical fallacy. ... in particular ad hominem. Regard$, --MJ It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry. -- Thomas Paine A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?
On Wed, 24 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: How could this ever compare with my main rival Allan Greenspan whose economic theories are based on those of yet another co-religionist of ours, Ayn Rand. Are all you co-religionists atheists or do you all have the same "genetic markers" for religion x? FWP. Poley, That is a very intelligent question. Thank you. Would it surprise you if there was a set of "jew genes" which determined who was entitled to aliyeh rights and who wasn't? It would change the Constitution of Israel of course since the documents on right of return say that those who convert to another religion may be denied aliyeh rights. (Though they would still be carrying those 'jew genes'). FWP. (LEZ) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Thomas Sowell Editorial
--- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I simply lamented the fact that this fellow is posting TONS of info and now he's posting right-wing editorials... There's always the Block Address feature __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nealz Nuze Editorial
In a message dated 05/24/2000 6:31:57 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's Republican. The culprit is none other than Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah. _ His full name is Orrin Rodham Hatch..or it should be. And the search for "meth labs" is the lame excuse the BATF gave to then Texas Governor Ann Richards when they requested and got Texas Air National Guard helicopters for the raid on the Branch Davidians at Waco. Hey...if it worked once...why not tell the same lie again and again? The people never catch on. Regards to All Nakano A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] What it means to be an American
From: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/2524_xcsof_what_it_me.shtml What it means to be an American I once had the good fortune to interview Chinese dissident Harry Wu. Harry spent a good portion of his life inside the Laogai prison camps. The Chinese Laogai camps cannot be compared on an equal basis with American prisons or the Russian Gulag, since millions of Chinese are held in the political prisons every day. Harry's problem was a tendency to question authority and speak out freely. For that, he served over a decade in forced labor. In the end, the Chinese communists exiled him from his own country. He now lives in California. Yet, Harry has also struck back. Harry once managed to capture Chinese People's Armed Police officials trying to sell the body parts of executed dissidents. Harry got them on videotape while posing as a rich man with a kidney disease. The tape was aired on ABC, much to the embarrassment of Beijing. During my interview, Harry paused from his harrowing tale, and spotted a stack of documents I obtained from the U.S. Commerce Department. These documents cover some of the Chinese deals made by the Clinton administration. He expressed an interest in viewing some of them and making a few copies for his benefit. I, of course, obliged. My career as a writer started with documents obtained by the Freedom of Information Act. The Chinese espionage story is a military historian's dream. I must tip my hat to the officers of the People's Liberation Army on a job well done. I have followed the path of documents, tracing the technology to China and the money to the Clinton White House. In the course of discovery, I have also detailed the success of General Huai, General Shen and their brilliant leader, the now-retired General Ding Henggao. General Ding's incredible espionage success inside the Clinton administration brought a literal flood of advanced military equipment for the People's Liberation Army. The sudden upgrade of Chinese military technology also enriched Ding and his American counterpart, Dr. John Lewis, a personal consultant to Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Perry. The long list of advanced military equipment obtained by General Ding and his two subordinates includes secure fiber-optic communications, super computers for nuclear weapons research, missile nose cone design software, special missile manufacturing equipment and multiple nuclear warhead designs. Most of the top backers for permanent trade status for China are also under investigation for the same illegal trade with the Chinese Army. Motorola, Boeing, Loral and Hughes all are pushing hard with a cash-advertising blitz aimed at the public. Motorola, Boeing, Loral and Hughes are all under investigation for illegal transfers. The long list of documents also includes telling quotes from many of the key players. For example, Loral Defense President Jerald Lindfelt wrote Ron Brown, complaining that the U.S. military blocked his export of an advanced Synthetic Aperture Radar System to a research unit of the Chinese army. "We've worked hard trying to resolve these problems with the Department of State, the Department of Commerce and the Defense Technology Security Administration (DTSA), but someone in these organizations always manages to block our participation," wrote Lindfelt. Motorola's CEO Gary Tooker also wrote to Ron Brown. Tooker, however, expressed Motorola's thanks to Brown and President Clinton for helping out on a Chinese deal. "Dear Ron, I am writing to thank you and some key members of the Commerce Department for your assistance in obtaining the presidential waiver for encryption export
[CTRL] The Terry Nichols Haircut Debacle
Vol. 6, No. 1338 - The American Reporter - May 24, 2000 JAIL IN TURMOIL OVER NICHOLS' HAIR by Bill Johnson American Reporter Correspondent Oklahoma City, Okla. OKLAHOMA CITY -- There's a hair-raising problem concerning convicted bombing conspirator Terry Nichols that is causing some fallout at the Oklahoma County Jail. Everyone agrees the 45-year-old Nichols needs a haircut. But they part over who should do the cutting. Nichols, citing concerns about his safety, wants his hair cut by the wife of his lead attorney. County officials say that other inmates either hire a barber to cut their hair or let another inmate give them a trim with electric clippers and they don't want make an exception with Nichols. Nichols, who is serving a life term for conspiracy in the federal building bombing, and his attorneys took the matter to court. The judge said it would be fine for the attorney's wife to give Nichols a trim. "It's not going to happen," vowed Russell Dear, the jail administrator. "It sets a precedent." Sheriff John Whetsel said he is going to talk to county prosecutors about appealing the decision. "You start granting exceptions to one, then you have to give them for all," Whetsel said. Nichols, a former farmer from Herington, Kan., was convicted by a federal jury in Denver of helping plan the April 19, 1995, bombing that killed 165 people and injured more than 500 others and of involuntary manslaughter in the deaths of eight federal special agents. He was brought to Oklahoma City on Jan. 31 to face state first-degree murder charges. According to jail records, Nichols has not had a haircut since his arrival. Brian Hermanson of Ponca City, Nichols' lead attorney, said his wife is not a licensed barber but is experienced at cutting hair. "She has cut my hair for 20 years, and my family's. I trust her with the scissors near my client more than I would trust anyone else," Hermanson said. It's the possibility of having a stranger armed with scissors near Nichols that has defense attorneys concerned. And they don't want Nichols to end up with a buzz cut given by another inmate wielding electric clippers. "We think a buzz cut would look bad," W. Creekmire Wallace II argued before Payne County Associate District Court Judge Robert M. Murphy Jr., who was appointed to the Nichols case. Murphy ruled that Nichols could have his hair cut by his attorney's wife, or by a licensed barber at state expense. "The defendant is a pretrial detainee and the law presumes him innocent and this includes the right for him to have the appearance of innocence," Murphy ruled. Prosecutors had opposed the hair-cutting request on the ground that Nichols should not receive any special treatment. "If this court treats Mr. Nichols different, then every other defendant up there is going to think they are entitled to have their mother or their sister or brother come in and cut their hair," said Assistant District Attorney Sandra Elliott. The haircut plea isn't the only special request that Nichols has made. When he was in federal custody, his lawyers said he required the fiber from whole wheat bread because of a medical condition. At another point, Nichols complained that he was not allowed to buy garlic and popcorn from the prison commissary. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW...
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] So yes, Michael can posts more. If he oversteps his "power", this is an electronic jungle and the "club: will come out 'da sky. I'd suggest that this power is being abused then...granted his posts are informative but c'mon!!! I second Bill's opinion. I feel Michael's been abusing the privilege. There are others on this list, myself included, who would like to send more than 7 'informative' posts a day, but are not allowed to do so. If Michael was only sending 8 to 12 posts, it wouldn't be so bad, but this 20+ a day has got to stop, or else grant the same privilege to all of us. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Was America Founded as a Christian Nation?
Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: On Wed, 24 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: On Tue, 23 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: How could this ever compare with my main rival Allan Greenspan whose economic theories are based on those of yet another co-religionist of ours, Ayn Rand. Are all you co-religionists atheists or do you all have the same "genetic markers" for religion x? FWP. Poley, That is a very intelligent question. Thank you. Would it surprise you if there was a set of "jew genes" which determined who was entitled to aliyeh rights and who wasn't? It would change the Constitution of Israel of course since the documents on right of return say that those who convert to another religion may be denied aliyeh rights. (Though they would still be carrying those 'jew genes'). FWP. (LEZ) Poley my man. You throw out so much bullshit that you forget which areas you have already flung upon. We've had this conversation. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ANOTHER REASON MICHAEL SPITZER'S POSTS SHOULD BE LIMITED
This is the 2nd time in as many days that I've gotten the following message
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Maybe if Michael didn't overwhelm the list with 20+ posts a day, some of the
rest of us could have a chance to get our rationed 7-a-day in..
Either restrict him to 7 posts a day like the rest of us, or increase the
daily post total from 100 to at least 150 or 200...or don't even have a
daily list total at all. Why is this in place, when the rest of us are
limited to only 7 posts?
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[CTRL] Why America is fucked in one easy lesson
Nakano: Hey...if it worked once...why not tell the same lie again and again? Precisely! The fat, lazy and, unfortunately, overwhelmingly large majority of Americans couldn't care less as long as their trash is picked up three times a week. They'll keep voting for the same pricks over and over again, regardless of the rediculous labels we accept from/attach to each "party." The move toward ever-increasing levels of tyranny will continue to accelerate until Americans get off their useless, apathetic butts and do something about it--and that's not likely to happen until Reno's goon squads are driving up Main street. The people never catch on. They couldn't care less, and are getting/will get exactly what they deserve. America is under attack by a conspiracy of stupidity and the conspirators are us! Edward + === "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Reality Pump: http://www.egroups.com/group/reality_pump === A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Nuke the Moon
U.S. Considered A-Bomb on Moon A secret U.S. project in the 1950s called for detonating an atom bomb on the moon as a demonstration of the nation's Cold War might, according to a physicist involved in the plan. The project, innocuously titled ``A Study of Lunar Research Flights,'' was never carried out. But its planning included calculations by the astronomer Carl Sagan - then a young graduate student - of the behavior of the dust and gas generated by the blast. Viewing the nuclear flash from Earth might have intimidated the Soviet Union and boosted Americans' confidence after the launch of Sputnik, physicist Leonard Reiffel said Wednesday. He directed the project at the former Armour Research Foundation, now part of the Illinois Institute of Technology. ``Now it seems ridiculous and unthinkable,'' said Reiffel, 72, who later served as a deputy director at NASA during the Apollo program. ``But things were remarkably tense back then.'' Sagan went on to become a worldwide celebrity for popularizing science on television. He died in 1996. Reiffel described the plan in a letter in the May 4 issue of the scientific journal Nature. Nature published a review of two new Sagan biographies. The author of one of the books suggested that Sagan breached security in 1959 by revealing the classified project in an application for an academic fellowship. Reiffel concurred that Sagan probably released classified information. The exchange in the scientific journal inadvertently shines a spotlight on a period when science in the United States was greatly influenced by Cold War politics. The U.S. space program was sputtering while the Soviet Union had launched Sputnik and a pair of lunar probes. The Eisenhower administration considered the lunar blast as a way to reassure Americans that the Soviet threat could be countered, while demonstrating to the Kremlin that the United States had an effective nuclear deterrent. Under the scenario, a missile carrying a small nuclear device was to be launched from an undisclosed location and travel 238,000 miles to the moon, where it would be detonated upon impact. The planners decided it would have to be an atom bomb because a hydrogen bomb would have been too heavy for the missile. Reiffel said the nation's young space program probably could have carried out the mission by 1959, when the Air Force deployed intercontinental ballistic missiles. Military officials apparently abandoned the idea because of the danger to people on Earth in case of a failure. The scientists also registered concerns about contaminating the moon with radioactive material, Reiffel said. The Air Force has declined to comment on the project, pending a review of historical records. ``There was lots of talk on the part of the Air Force about the moon being `military high ground,''' Reiffel said.
[CTRL] Fwd: What it means to be an American
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/2524_xcsof_what_it_me.shtml What it means to be an American I once had the good fortune to interview Chinese dissident Harry Wu. Harry spent a good portion of his life inside the Laogai prison camps. The Chinese Laogai camps cannot be compared on an equal basis with American prisons or the Russian Gulag, since millions of Chinese are held in the political prisons every day. Harry's problem was a tendency to question authority and speak out freely. For that, he served over a decade in forced labor. In the end, the Chinese communists exiled him from his own country. He now lives in California. Yet, Harry has also struck back. Harry once managed to capture Chinese People's Armed Police officials trying to sell the body parts of executed dissidents. Harry got them on videotape while posing as a rich man with a kidney disease. The tape was aired on ABC, much to the embarrassment of Beijing. During my interview, Harry paused from his harrowing tale, and spotted a stack of documents I obtained from the U.S. Commerce Department. These documents cover some of the Chinese deals made by the Clinton administration. He expressed an interest in viewing some of them and making a few copies for his benefit. I, of course, obliged. My career as a writer started with documents obtained by the Freedom of Information Act. The Chinese espionage story is a military historian's dream. I must tip my hat to the officers of the People's Liberation Army on a job well done. I have followed the path of documents, tracing the technology to China and the money to the Clinton White House. In the course of discovery, I have also detailed the success of General Huai, General Shen and their brilliant leader, the now-retired General Ding Henggao. General Ding's incredible espionage success inside the Clinton administration brought a literal flood of advanced military equipment for the People's Liberation Army. The sudden upgrade of Chinese military technology also enriched Ding and his American counterpart, Dr. John Lewis, a personal consultant to Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Perry. The long list of advanced military equipment obtained by General Ding and his two subordinates includes secure fiber-optic communications, super computers for nuclear weapons research, missile nose cone design software, special missile manufacturing equipment and multiple nuclear warhead designs. Most of the top backers for permanent trade status for China are also under investigation for the same illegal trade with the Chinese Army. Motorola, Boeing, Loral and Hughes all are pushing hard with a cash-advertising blitz aimed at the public. Motorola, Boeing, Loral and Hughes are all under investigation for illegal transfers. The long list of documents also includes telling quotes from many of the key players. For example, Loral Defense President Jerald Lindfelt wrote Ron Brown, complaining that the U.S. military blocked his export of an advanced Synthetic Aperture Radar System to a research unit of the Chinese army. "We've worked hard trying to resolve these problems with the Department of State, the Department of Commerce and the Defense Technology Security Administration (DTSA), but someone in these organizations always manages to block our participation," wrote Lindfelt. Motorola's CEO Gary Tooker also wrote to Ron Brown. Tooker, however, expressed Motorola's thanks to Brown and President Clinton for helping out on a Chinese deal. "Dear Ron, I am writing to thank you and some key members of the Commerce Department for your assistance in obtaining the presidential waiver for
[CTRL] Fwd: Hereditary Politics
"Nothing has changed since the feudal era,'' said Shigenori Okazaki, a political analyst at Warburg Dillon Reed. ``Being born into a political family, or getting into the national bureaucracy, is one of the only ways to become a politician.'' Dynasties Vs. Democracy in Japan By MARI YAMAGUCHI .c The Associated Press TOKYO (AP) - Yuko Obuchi is 26 years old, barely out of college, and has never been elected to public office. But her father was prime minister - and that's why many see her as the perfect parliamentary candidate. In Japan, where elections are looming, being a politician's son, daughter, widow or even cousin is often enough to wrap up voter support. For Obuchi, who announced her candidacy Tuesday, inheriting office is something of a family tradition. Her father - Keizo Obuchi, who died this month - was first elected to Parliament at age 26 to fill a seat left vacant by the death of his father. ``I'm running at the same age as my father,'' she said. ``I feel I am standing at the same start line.'' Yuko Obuchi worked as an assistant director at a television station before becoming her father's aide. At a news conference Tuesday, she did not talk about her campaign platform. ``To me, my father was an ideal politician, and I want to emulate him,'' she said. But with many of Japan's top politicians and nearly one-third of the lower house of Parliament born into political families, concerns are being raised over whether this country's still young democracy is being smothered by ``inheritance politics.'' ``Nothing has changed since the feudal era,'' said Shigenori Okazaki, a political analyst at Warburg Dillon Reed. ``Being born into a political family, or getting into the national bureaucracy, is one of the only ways to become a politician.'' The phenomenon isn't new. Before World War II, membership in the House of Peers was by appointment and included adult males of the imperial family, heads of the hereditary peerage and a few notable scholars and major taxpayers. That system was eliminated under Japan's postwar Constitution and replaced by an upper and lower house in which all members are elected. With elections for the lower house of parliament to be held June 25, the resurgence of political dynasties has become the focus of media attention. The major parties generally refuse to confirm who they will endorse as candidates until after campaigning officially begins on June 13. The trend toward dynasty-building is unmistakable, however. Some 140 of the lower house's 500 seats are held by descendants of former lawmakers. In the less powerful 252-member upper house, the number is 30. The number of such family-held seats in the lower house has risen steadily, more than tripling from just 38 in the early 1960s, and the holders of those seats have often proven to be the most influential politicians. Four of Japan's seven most recent prime ministers are second- or third-generation lawmakers. Former Justice Minister Seiroku Kajiyama and former Prime Minister Noboru Takeshita have announced they will not run next month. Instead, the party is likely to endorse Kajiyama's son and Takeshita's younger brother. In Obuchi's case, supporters are hoping to capitalize on an expected sympathy vote - the election date coincides with her father's birthday. Still, one of Japan's largest newspapers, the liberal-leaning Asahi, warned voters not to choose candidates based on their family name. ``We need to decide who to vote for based on who the candidate is, not what family they are from,'' it said in a commentary. Some voters are also becoming more wary of the tradition. ``Inheritance politics has nothing to do with policies,'' said Satoko Kishi, a Tokyo office worker. ``It's wrong for one family to monopolize a constituency as if it's their private property.''
[CTRL] Castro's Water Boy?
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Castro's Water Boy? Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 9:12 PM Daily, over a thousand illegal aliens stream across America's southern border, many for no reason but to commit crimes. Douglas, Arizona has been a favorite spot for such illegal crossings for well over a year. The town's mayor has begged repeatedly for federal action to stop the tide of illegals who trash the town, steal from ranchers and force locals to barricade their homes for safety. U.S. Border Patrol agents have even been fired upon from Mexico. Bill Clinton could care less. In fact, the latest approach of the Immigration and Naturalization Service is essentially a "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward illegal aliens, unless they are wanted criminals. And even that is a stretch, given the example of the Mexican "Railroad Killer." That illegal alien was captured and released at least nine times in 18 months as he crossed the US border during his serial killing of 8 Americans. He was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list, yet the Border Patrol still freed him one last time in 1999-allowing him to kill his last four American victims. So, let's be clear: Regarding immigration, Bill Clinton does not care about the "rule of law." So, why did the president mobilize his entire Justice Department, spend millions of dollars and launch a commando raid to seize one six year-old Cuban refugee from his relatives? Because snatching Elian Gonzalez was good for Fidel Castro. And what's good for Castro is apparently good for Clinton. By the time Mr. Clinton launched his Holy Saturday invasion in Miami, many Americans were sick of the Elian story. As always, television and the White House worked together to squash any deep thought on the subject. "Send him back, already" and "It's the law" seemed to be the conditioned responses of a majority. Yet the whole event was a truly shocking display of how far America has slipped from her ideals under the Clinton regime. In the early 1960s, thousands of loving Cuban parents sent their young children from Cuba to freedom in America, where they were raised by relatives and church organizations. Can anyone imagine then-President John F. Kennedy sending those young orphans back to Cuba? My, how America's soul has darkened since then. And how thuggish our government has become. How did it come to the point where specialized INS forces could grab little Elian at gunpoint? Elian's father, Juan Miguel Gonzalez, could have simply taken a commercial flight from Washington to Miami to see his son and family and meet the boy's rescuer. Was Bill Clinton too stupid to grasp this simple idea? Hardly, or Mr. Clinton, this custody case had special personal importance. So he ordered INS assault goons to smash into the Miami home where Elian stayed and take the boy, by government jet, to Washington. The boy's asylum case was awaiting appeal in a US Court of Appeals, making Clinton's raid--in addition to a revolting display of power--an apparent violation of the Fourth Amendment's proscription against unreasonable search and seizure. Clearly, the president desperately wants this particular boy back in Castro's Cuba, court or no court. As Lloyd Bentsen might say, "I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy loathed Fidel Castro. Bill Clinton is no Jack Kennedy." In fact, by using paramilitary forces against Americans, Bill Clinton was simply carrying Fidel Castro's water. The Cuban dictator would not allow Juan Miguel Gonzalez out of Cuban custody while on US soil. Elian's father therefore had to stay in a Cuban diplomatic compound in Maryland, far from his son. A Miami reunion was therefore impossible. But that decision was made by a foreign tyrant. It had no bearing on legal proceedings here. This is America, a land of laws and once a proudly free country. A real president would have told Castro: "I am not a king. In America, the central government does not outrank our states like a general outranks his field officers. Elian is in Florida, and authorities there will handle things. Senor Gonzalez is free to travel there if he wishes. If you won't permit him to do so--Tough." But this president has perhaps never met a communist he wouldn't help. Consider the strange case of Gregory Craig. Part of Mr. Clinton's legal "attack pack," Mr. Craig was a defense lawyer for the president during his impeachment trial last year. Craig now represents Juan Miguel Gonzalez, who does nothing without Castro's permission. Surely it is no accident that one of the president's lawyer pals travels to Cuba and ends up, in effect, representing Fidel Castro. Who arranged that connection? Who's paying? Let's connect the dots: Fifteen Cubans escape by boat for America. Two adults and one little boy survive. Dictator wants him
Re: [CTRL] state of CTRL list
Yes, and with a national election escapade going on, I strongly suspect it shall get worse before it gets better. Excusa myself, I have been busy and haven't been able to input as much material, but I shall. The US [population is being subjected to huge amounts of blather and propagnda designed to continue the "hardening of sides and continual firing of gut isuues such as abortion, homosexuality and other natural occurring "freaks" of nature. Continual playing of the race cards. Continual divisive factors are at play, The Mighty Wurlitzer is not broken but continues is envelopment of the cultural within its cocoon of lies. But there are discordant vibrations wrecking havoc on well laid plans of corruption and sabotage against our beleagured republic and the light of the internet is shining constantly upon new shores and minds. Om K . now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of their countries. Om K. In a message dated 5/24/00 1:55:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi, I signed off the CTRL list a month or so ago - and have recently rejoined to find that the nature of the conspiracy information coming through has polarised itself into several basic sets. 1. the long running jews and nazis thing 2. NRA vs. the FEDS 3. pseudo skeptical denial of the existence of ET life 4. the american elections assorted lion baiting It was not so long ago that we were collectively dealing with the y2k stuff, where various ex-military experts were talking about the end of the world, roundups and the beast incarnate announcing the nwo. I kept all of these posts. I even urged my mom and dad to stock up short term on basic essentials. I remember then posting words to the effect that nothing would happen - and luckily for me - nothing did ... to me it seemed like nothing was going to shift the wall of silence even if we wanted it to - the inexorable grind of the mass cull goes on whether we're hotheaded or not - eg. chemtrails, gm foods etc I think that it will take cool reasoning and some sense of perspective - for it may be that the predominately american list has become unsettled. I detect [from someone not exposed to the daily US political hype] that this list has been seriously wound up. Yes these are severe issues and a great deal is at stake - but so was Y2K remember - committing too early to a course of action - hotheads being flushed out of the moderates is my interpretation. I think you guys have been got somehow. I'm sorry if these comments offend anyone - I'm just trying to be helpful andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
I don't think this issue is being singled out. J2 merely points out that it is up to those who make claims to offer support of them and not up to those who assert the negative to prove the negative. Of course you also have the option of proposing something and then decline further comment or to give proof. This list is open to nearly all ideas (see disclaimer) for discussion and that includes UFO's and aliens. BUT one must not think that your ideas are beyond criticism, SO if you post then there will be people who disagree, and if you have a theory some may want proof in support of it. On Tue, 23 May 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 5/23/00 10:37:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Firstly, We ( J2- made the original claim that there is no hard evidence of intelligent alien existence on Earth )are NOT required to prove that aliens don't exist. The more extraordinary the claim, the more solid the evidence needs to be. There is none. What there is plenty of, is 'stories'. Isn't this discussion moot on a conspiracy THEORY research list? If we waited for hard evidence before discussing all the subjects on this list, it would be a VERY quiet list. Plenty of us here, including you, J2, and the moderator, draw conclusions on subjects based on less than hard evidence. Why is the subject of UFOs being singled out? Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: British envoy sent Pope bulletins on the Holocaust
Times of London May 24 2000 EUROPE British envoy sent Pope bulletins on the Holocaust FROM RICHARD OWEN IN ROME DOCUMENTS found by chance in a Rome flea market prove that Pope Pius XII, accused of having turned a blind eye to the Holocaust, was given a daily account of Nazi atrocities by the British envoy to the Holy See. Defenders of Pius XII, who include the present Pope, insist that he could not have known about the Nazi death camps, but Francis D'Arcy Godolphin Osborne, the British Minister to the Holy See, gave the Pope a daily typewritten report culled from Allied broadcasts after he took refuge in the Vatican in 1940. Fabrizio Coisson, a journalist and antiquarian book collector, came across bound carbon copies of the reports at Porta Portese market in Rome. "I was astonished to find a signed note in which the British diplomat describes how every day he transcribed BBC broadcasts and passed them to the Pope," Signor Coisson said. He did not know how the papers had found their way on to the second-hand market, but Osborne died in Rome in 1964 and Signor Coisson presumed that some of his effects were sold. Professor Owen Chadwick of Cambridge University, author of Britain and the Vatican During the Second World War, said that the find was remarkable. Father Pierre Blet, the Jesuit historian whose recent book Pius XII and the Second World War is seen as the Vatican's riposte to accusations that the Pope turned a blind eye, said he was astonished by the discovery. The reports, which Osborne hoped would counteract Italian and German propaganda, give a detailed account of Jewish deportations, mass killings and "inhuman experiments". The disclosure is bound to slow down further the Vatican's much-criticised plans to beatify Pius XII. Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Los Angeles said it would "desecrate the memory of the Holocaust victims" to beatify a man "who sat in silence on the throne of St Peter and watched the trains take Jews across Europe to the death camps". Last autumn the writer John Cornwell caused a furore by claiming in his book Hitler's Pope that Pius XII not only failed to speak out against Nazi persecution when he was Pope but, as Papal Nuncio (ambassador) in Berlin in the 1920s and Secretary of State in the 1930s, helped Hitler to come to power by suppressing German Catholic resistance to the Nazis. The book was denounced by the Vatican as "trash". Osborne, who arrived in Rome to represent Britain at the Holy See in 1936 and initially regarded Pius XII as "saintly", retreated inside the Vatican walls when Fascist Italy entered the war on Hitler's side in June 1940. He followed Allied broadcasts intently and began compiling what he called "British wireless news" for the Pope, emphasising "the sufferings of civilians in Nazi occupied Europe" and German "crimes against humanity". Although it was known that he wrote the reports, scholars failed to find them. In October 1940 he warned the Pope that the Germans were "actively promoting anti-Semitism in Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria". By 1941 the tone became more dramatic, as the Nazis committed "atrocities in the name of the myth of the superior race". He wrote: "They are conducting experiments on sick and mentally deficient children in Germany." Osborne, noting that Hitler had vowed to "liquidate the Jews for at least a thousand years", told the Pope that Jews in Poland were being murdered and deported en masse, adding - in words that carry poignancy with hindsight - that some were being given "special permits" to travel by rail, "but only by slow trains". After Pius XII's Christmas Eve homily in 1942, in which he condemned extermination "by reason of nationality or race" but failed to mention the words Nazi or Jew, Osborne stepped up the campaign, informing the Pope in 1943: "In Slovakia, 77 per cent of the Jewish population has been deported to an unknown destination, which probably signifies death." He added: "The number of Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto has been reduced by 400,000 since last July - there are barely 35,000 left." However, Sir Martin Gilbert, the historian and biographer of Churchill, said the Vatican had sheltered 4,000 Jews during the Gestapo raids in Rome in 1944. Sir Martin, whose latest book Never Again is a history of the Holocaust, said many Christians had taken a stand against the Nazis, and that "Christian anti-Semitism" should not be confused with the Holocaust, which had been "carried out by people who were hostile to Christian values".
Re: [CTRL] I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW...
Oh, Jume: If Michael was only sending 8 to 12 posts, it wouldn't be so bad, but this 20+ a day has got to stop, or else grant the same privilege to all of us. Excuse me, but when did CTRL become YOUR list? I mean, it must be for you to make such arrogant pronouncements. Start your own list and quit whining. Edward + === "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Reality Pump: http://www.egroups.com/group/reality_pump === A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] state of CTRL list
Andrew, I don't understand exactly what it is that you are getting at here. Are you saying you are disatisfied with the list because we are not discussing issues that you believe are important? If that is the case then please post away, I would be happy to hear what you have to say. However, the threads that run here are largely the domain of the list members. I read and keep track of the posts and the threads in order to moderate and further discussion where necessary. Kris, and more recently M. Spitzer provide content in an editorial context(others do this as well). The list is driven by the members for the most part so please tell us what it is that you wish to discuss. On Wed, 24 May 2000, Andrew Hennessey wrote: hi, I signed off the CTRL list a month or so ago - and have recently rejoined to find that the nature of the conspiracy information coming through has polarised itself into several basic sets. 1. the long running jews and nazis thing 2. NRA vs. the FEDS 3. pseudo skeptical denial of the existence of ET life 4. the american elections assorted lion baiting It was not so long ago that we were collectively dealing with the y2k stuff, where various ex-military experts were talking about the end of the world, roundups and the beast incarnate announcing the nwo. I kept all of these posts. I even urged my mom and dad to stock up short term on basic essentials. I remember then posting words to the effect that nothing would happen - and luckily for me - nothing did ... to me it seemed like nothing was going to shift the wall of silence even if we wanted it to - the inexorable grind of the mass cull goes on whether we're hotheaded or not - eg. chemtrails, gm foods etc I think that it will take cool reasoning and some sense of perspective - for it may be that the predominately american list has become unsettled. I detect [from someone not exposed to the daily US political hype] that this list has been seriously wound up. Yes these are severe issues and a great deal is at stake - but so was Y2K remember - committing too early to a course of action - hotheads being flushed out of the moderates is my interpretation. I think you guys have been got somehow. I'm sorry if these comments offend anyone - I'm just trying to be helpful andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A
Re: [CTRL] I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW...
but he has a point... If there's a limit on postings per person, and a limit on total emails per day, then by one person having the freedom to break the personal limit means that other people's posts are delayed. That can get pretty annoying. Isn't CTRL about the exchange of information and ideas, and for the campaigning of freedom and all that? And yet there is one person on this list who has more freedom and liberties than the rest. How can that be justified? What happened to equality for all? Alan Howard -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edward Britton Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] I TOO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW... Oh, Jume: If Michael was only sending 8 to 12 posts, it wouldn't be so bad, but this 20+ a day has got to stop, or else grant the same privilege to all of us. Excuse me, but when did CTRL become YOUR list? I mean, it must be for you to make such arrogant pronouncements. Start your own list and quit whining. Edward + === "In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5285/connector1.html Reality Pump: http://www.egroups.com/group/reality_pump === A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance not soap-boxing please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory' with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
