Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-19 Thread saba
-Caveat Lector- Well Joshua Tinnin if you are waiting have a nice wait. I do not think Dr. Poley is going to be your step and fetch it. His intellectual level is well over your head - so have a nice wait Bagal Hole 2. You are ridiculous.Have a nice wait..cannot imagine Dr. Poley

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-19 Thread saba
-Caveat Lector- 1 Kings, chapter 10 Chapter 22: For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, zionists, and peacocks. So here is the creation - zionists and apes walk hand in hand

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-19 Thread saba
-Caveat Lector- Well Joshua Tinnin you would be a home in Georgia nowcan see you out there stomping for those negros this oh so refined respected family for one even headed up what was once the Democrat Party? Got a little scam going there. I think you are one big ignoramus and your

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-19 Thread RevCOAL
-Caveat Lector- From: saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you are one big ignoramus and your theories, really Joshua Tinnin, are not original nor are they conclusive. You use the 'your ideas are not original' attack quite often, Colleen, so much so that one has to think that you yourself know that

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-19 Thread inri
-Caveat Lector- Tell me have you ever come up with anything original in your life? Have YOU, Colleen? why is originality even an issue? are we writing fiction or uncovering conspiracies? occam's razor, man. personally, i have no desire to be original; only to find the truth and to prove it

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Nessie SFBG
-Caveat Lector- a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird. Oh really? Says who? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread inri
-Caveat Lector- An intermediate form is an intermediate form. It proves nothing. correct. however, one of the many things that *do* prove something is the skeletal structure. read on.. The intermediate form of a whale is obvious. Its overall body form is fish-like. It has fin-like

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Nessie SFBG wrote: a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird. Oh really? Says who? The English language...by definition. And BTW, where are all the failed bone structures of bat wings in the fossil record as Darwinian evolution would

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, inri wrote: the point here is that no respectable biologist is going to look at a whale and say hey! it looks like a fish, so it must be an intermediate form because, as you've pointed out, this is not good science. That's right. It is not good science.

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Nessie SFBG
-Caveat Lector- No thanks. That's what the pope said when Galileo handed him the telescope. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread inri
-Caveat Lector- the point here is that no respectable biologist is going to look at a whale and say hey! it looks like a fish, so it must be an intermediate form because, as you've pointed out, this is not good science. That's right. It is not good science. But Discovery keeps telling us

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, inri wrote: Well, it is intermediate in form defined by how it looks. only partially. the most important part is not the feathers but the skeletal shape, particularly the spinal structure. we can only truly deduce that it must have had feathers. keep

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, inri wrote: But that doesn't prove a thing about reptiles evolving into birds any more than a fossil of a bat would prove that mammals evolved into birds. no, but the skeletons are pretty convincing... The bat skeletal wing is a perfect wing. But it

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread saba
-Caveat Lector- Dr. Poley - what do you think about this Thalimonide back on market - causing birth defects. Babies born with virtually little wings? Like a step in the evolution of man was virtually wiped out. As George Wallace used to say, redbirds had redbirds, bluebirds have bluebirds,

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, thew wrote: on 3/17/02 11:55 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, thew wrote: on 3/17/02 9:27 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, inri wrote: For example a bat is an

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- on 3/18/02 2:33 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And BTW, where are all the failed bone structures of bat wings in the fossil record as Darwinian evolution would predict? POC What failed forms? bats are successful

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread inri
-Caveat Lector- Blue eyed parents cannot produce a brown eyed child. Two blue eyed parents if I am correct and the mother has a brown eyed child, well - a miracle? no. eye colour is one of the genes that is recessive/dominant.or maybe co-dominant? two blue eyed parents can have brown

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-18 Thread Joshua Tinnin
-Caveat Lector- [note -- posting this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well for discussion purposes - Frank, et al - the regular CTRL email list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] only allows five posts per member per day, and is preferred for posting information and articles - the [EMAIL PROTECTED] group (populated

[CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:18:29 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- on 3/17/02 6:01 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start here: 29 Evidences for Macroevolution http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html If that¹s too much try this: Introduction to Evolutionary Biology

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, thew wrote: on 3/17/02 6:01 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start here: 29 Evidences for Macroevolution http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html If that¹s too much try this: Introduction to Evolutionary Biology

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread inri
-Caveat Lector- For example a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird. That doesn't prove mammals evolved into birds. nor would anybody suggest that they did. birds, like mammals, evolved from reptiles; an intermediate form would be the pteradactyl, which is in the fossil

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, inri wrote: For example a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird. That doesn't prove mammals evolved into birds. nor would anybody suggest that they did. Then why do you assume that birds and mammals evolved from reptiles? POC

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- on 3/17/02 9:27 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, inri wrote: For example a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird. That doesn't prove mammals evolved into birds. nor would anybody suggest that they did. Then why do

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread inri
-Caveat Lector- Do you want me to find the little pictures of the tiny horsies becoming big horsies for you? No thanks. You've already given me a picture of a small horse's ass becoming a big horse's ass. How does genetic selection for a trait refute my point which is that successful

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread inri
-Caveat Lector- For example a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird. That doesn't prove mammals evolved into birds. nor would anybody suggest that they did. Then why do you assume that birds and mammals evolved from reptiles? because that's what the evidence in

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, thew wrote: on 3/17/02 9:27 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, inri wrote: For example a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird. That doesn't prove mammals evolved into birds. nor would

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread Party of Citizens
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, inri wrote: Do you want me to find the little pictures of the tiny horsies becoming big horsies for you? No thanks. You've already given me a picture of a small horse's ass becoming a big horse's ass. How does genetic selection for a trait

Re: [CTRL] Scientism Religious Conspiracy

2002-03-17 Thread thew
-Caveat Lector- on 3/17/02 11:55 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, thew wrote: on 3/17/02 9:27 PM, Party of Citizens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, inri wrote: For example a bat is an intermediate form between a mammal and a bird.