Re: Problemen met rechten LetsEncrypt

2024-01-26 Thread Richard Lucassen
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 15:15:37 +0100 Paul van der Vlis wrote: > Op een vers geinstalleerde Debian12 heb ik een raar probleem met > LetsEncrypt certificaten. (Ik gebruik certbot, weet niet of dat van > belang is.) > > Eerder was het zo dat gebruikers die lid waren van de groep ssl-cert > bij de

Re: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-26 Thread Hans
Am Freitag, 26. Januar 2024, 17:23:07 CET schrieben Sie: Yes, if you want to install soemthing for example by using the apt command, best way is becoming root with the command "su -" and then install the rquired package. Example: su - then enter the password of the user root If installing

Re: Home UPS recommendations

2024-01-26 Thread Felix Miata
Andy Smith composed on 2024-01-26 10:17 (UTC-0500): > On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:11:39PM +0100, hw wrote: >> I've never had issues with any UPS due to self tests. The batteries >> need to be replaced when they are worn out. How often that is >> required depends on the UPS and the conditions it

Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)

2024-01-26 Thread David Wright
On Fri 26 Jan 2024 at 19:03:33 (+0100), Roger Price wrote: > I currently have two Eaton Ellipse ECO 1600's. I change the batteries > every 4-5 years, but this is not as easy as it should be. It is not > evident that only one of the four back panel screws needs to be > removed. I took me a

Re: Home UPS recommendations

2024-01-26 Thread debian-user
ghe2001 wrote: > Take a look at Tripp Lite: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripp_Lite > > I used them for years to back up a small domain -- they make > sine-wave electricity. One of the references in the wikipedia article looked interesting:

Re: interroger programmatiquement le chemin de chargement dynamique (dlopen) par défaut?

2024-01-26 Thread Lamourec Alain
Non finalement un which ld.so donne bien /usr/bin/ld.so Lamourec Alain writes: Bonsoir peut être à partir de ldd ? Basile Starynkevitch writes: Bonjour la liste, Pour les systèmes Debian ou proches (par exemple Ubuntu ou Linux Mint) comment interroger programmatiquement (dans un

Re: Home UPS recommendations

2024-01-26 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Take a look at Tripp Lite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripp_Lite I used them for years to back up a small domain -- they make sine-wave electricity. -- Glenn English -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: ProtonMail

Monospace fonts, Re: Changing The PSI Definition

2024-01-26 Thread David Wright
On Fri 26 Jan 2024 at 07:25:13 (-0500), Dan Ritter wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 07:32:38PM -0500, Thomas George wrote: > > > The current PSI works perfectly but I don't like the pale green prompt. > > > > > > Tried editing .bashrd , /ext/fprofile and /ext/bash.bashrc

Re: interroger programmatiquement le chemin de chargement dynamique (dlopen) par défaut?

2024-01-26 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
Je me suis mal exprimé. Je cherche pour la phase de compilation (donc dans le GNUmakefile ) le chemin par défaut du chargement dynamique. Celui-ci est passé par l'argument -rpath à la compilation (édition des liens) de l'exécutable. Concretement, il contiendrait la valeur par défaut de

Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-26 Thread David Wright
On Fri 26 Jan 2024 at 16:13:26 (+0100), Nicolas George wrote: > Hi. > > Yet another strange question. Is there a supported¹ way to have > cryptsetup play a specific sound when it asks the password for the root > partition from the initrd? > > I think brttty (braille) is already running at this

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Nicolas, On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 08:49:06AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Tim Woodall (12024-01-26): > > Until your UEFI bios writes to the disk before the system has booted. > > Hi. Have you ever observed an UEFI firmware doing that? Without explicit > admin instructions? Going back to my

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Nicolas George
Thomas Schmitt (12024-01-24): > The Debian installation and live ISOs have MBR partitions with only a > flimsy echo of GPT. There is a GPT header block and an entries array. > But it does not get announced by a Protective MBR. Rather they have two > partitions of which one is meant to be invisible

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 10:09:53AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Andy Smith (12024-01-26): > > The "firmware may write to it" thing was raised as a concern by a > > few people,but always a theoretical one from what I could see. > > Now that I think a little more, this concern is not only

Re: à quoi sert ibus ?

2024-01-26 Thread Eric DEGENETAIS
bonjour Le ven. 26 janv. 2024 à 10:56, Daniel Caillibaud a écrit : > Le 25/01/24 à 21:42, Basile Starynkevitch a > écrit : > > Dans les cas où (avec Debian sous X11) on souhaite insérer > > occasionellement un caractère UTF-8 qui n'est pas au clavier > > Mais on a toujours pu faire ça (sous

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Nicolas George wrote: > You seem to be assuming that the system will first check sector 0 to > parse the MBR and then, if the MBR declares a GPT sector try to use the > GPT. That's what the UEFI specs prescribe. GPT is defined by UEFI-2.8 in chapter 5 "GUID Partition Table (GPT) Disk

Re: Filtrar comodins/regex de les línies

2024-01-26 Thread Alex Muntada
Hola Lluís, amb la teva ajuda, ja tinc funcionant llistes negres amb ipset :) > # El *5 *en negreta parametritza quantes vegades ha d'aparèixer > una ip al log per afegir-la a l'ipset. > > for i in $(cat /var/log/messages | grep BLOCK | awk -F= '{print > $5}' | cut -d " " -f 1 | sort | uniq -c

interroger programmatiquement le chemin de chargement dynamique (dlopen) par défaut?

2024-01-26 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
Bonjour la liste, Pour les systèmes Debian ou proches (par exemple Ubuntu ou Linux Mint) comment interroger programmatiquement (dans un shell script ou un programme en C) le chemin par défaut du chargeur dynamique ld.so (lequel est modifiable par un LD_LIBRARY_PATH explicite éventuel). Ca me

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i hate to put in question the benefit of my proposal, but: Nicolas George wrote: > The firmware would never write in parts of the > drive that might contain data. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1056998 "cdrom: Installation media changes after booting it" Two

Re: à quoi sert ibus ?

2024-01-26 Thread Eric DEGENETAIS
Le ven. 26 janv. 2024 à 11:04, Eric DEGENETAIS a écrit : > bonjour > Le ven. 26 janv. 2024 à 10:56, Daniel Caillibaud a > écrit : > >> Le 25/01/24 à 21:42, Basile Starynkevitch a >> écrit : >> > Dans les cas où (avec Debian sous X11) on souhaite insérer >> > occasionellement un caractère UTF-8

Re: à quoi sert ibus ?

2024-01-26 Thread Frédéric MASSOT
Le 25/01/2024 à 17:14, Daniel Caillibaud a écrit : Bonjour, Depuis peu une appli perd le clavier (alors que ça fonctionne très bien dans toutes les autres fenêtres). J'ai retrouvé le bug dans leur bugtracker, en attendant que ce soit réglé ils suggèrent de lancer en console `ibus restart` ce

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Nicolas George
Andy Smith (12024-01-26): > Going back to my question from 2020 about what people do to provide > redundancy for EFI System Partition, do I take it then that you > have had no issues with just putting ESP in MD RAID-1? I have not had the occasion to test since two days ago when Thomas's remarks

Re: à quoi sert ibus ?

2024-01-26 Thread Daniel Caillibaud
Le 25/01/24 à 21:42, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : > Dans les cas où (avec Debian sous X11) on souhaite insérer > occasionellement un caractère UTF-8 qui n'est pas au clavier Mais on a toujours pu faire ça (sous réserve d'avoir une locale utf8), bien avant l'existence d'ibus, soit avec du

Re: à quoi sert ibus ?

2024-01-26 Thread Daniel Caillibaud
Le 26/01/24 à 09:56, Frédéric MASSOT a écrit : > Tu peux indiquer de quel rapport de bug il s'agit, STP ? https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-341692/Keyboard-and-shortcuts-randomly-stop-working-since-2023.3.2-update

Re: Virtualbox debian12 Pass ?

2024-01-26 Thread ptilou
Le samedi 20 janvier 2024 à 20:30:03 UTC+1, Pierre Meurisse a écrit : > Le Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 10:40:23AM -0800, ptilou a écrit : > > Bonjour, > > > > Je viens de lancer une Debian 12 image DVD, et a la fin çà demande un mot > > de passe ? > > > > Alors qu'avec Fedora non, donc j'en conclu

Re: à quoi sert ibus ?

2024-01-26 Thread Daniel Caillibaud
Le 26/01/24 à 11:04, Eric DEGENETAIS a écrit : > Il ne s'agit pas de saisir occasionnellement un caractère ou deux , mais > d'interfacer des méthodes de saisie permettant de saisir > de manière confortable du texte écrit dans un système d'écriture > complètement différent de l'alphabet latin.

Re: Changing The PSI Definition

2024-01-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 07:25:13AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Might be time for a new font. I like Inconsolata, but l1I! > should never look similar, nor O0@ or S$. Indeed. Also, ({[ and )}] are character groups that must be visibly different, or else any terminal or programming work you do is

Re: in an object oriented world

2024-01-26 Thread songbird
John Hasler wrote: > songbird writes: >> every thing running on a computer should be able to say: > >> "I am [x version ...], these are my parents [y, z, 1, ...], i was >> compiled by program [...] from source code [...], here are my >> credentials [blah, blah]" > >> when sent a signal from GOD. >

Re: in an object oriented world

2024-01-26 Thread John Hasler
Songbird writes: > because it only comes from GOD. no other process can send this > signal. I meant why should GOD believe the reply? > objects are only created by authorized calls to other > objects so there is no pathway to infect if done correctly. > if you do not allow random objects to be

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 01:18:53PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > Hardware raid that the bios cannot subvert is obviously one solution. These days the different trade-offs for HW RAID are IMHO worse. I left it behind in 2014 and don't intend to go back.  Thanks, Andy --

Re: in an object oriented world

2024-01-26 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 07:56:35AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Songbird writes: > > because it only comes from GOD. no other process can send this > > signal. > > I meant why should GOD believe the reply? GOD doesn't believe. He KNOWS. Even without having to "send a signal". And now let's

Re: standardize uid:gid?

2024-01-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 07:31:05AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: This is one of those "the boat has already left the dock" situations. If this were going to happen, it would have to have happened in the early 1990s. There is no feasible way to make it happen now. It's also a pointless endeavor,

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 08:40:42AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 1/26/24 08:19, Tim Woodall wrote: > > Hardware raid that the bios cannot subvert is obviously one solution. > > > Is nearly the only solution, If the problem to be solved is defined as redundancy for the ESP, there are a

Re: Home UPS recommendations

2024-01-26 Thread James H. H. Lampert
I, too, have always used APC. I've heard people swear by APC, and I've heard people swear *at* APC. I've had reason to do both, myself (and I won't elaborate on either). -- James H. H. Lampert

Re: in an object oriented world

2024-01-26 Thread Lee
Hi, On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 8:46 AM songbird wrote: > > John Hasler wrote: > > songbird writes: > >> any process which does not respond should be thus cast into the outer > >> darkness of the bits and never to return (aka a virus or unauthorized > >> program). Q: is javascript sourced from who

Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after

2024-01-26 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 26 Jan 2024 16:39 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw): >> RAID is for uptime. > > It's also for saving you from the hassle involved with loosing data > when a disk fails. Which translates to more quickly fully recovering from the loss of a storage device. When used for redundancy and staying

Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-26 Thread Curt
On 2024-01-26, Nicolas George wrote: > Hi. > > Yet another strange question. Is there a supported¹ way to have > cryptsetup play a specific sound when it asks the password for the root > partition from the initrd? > > I think brttty (braille) is already running at this point (no occasion > to

Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-26 Thread Nicolas George
Curt (12024-01-26): > I guess a systemd timer unit constitutes a hack. A systemd timer in the initrd? Can you elaborate? -- Nicolas George

AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-26 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Sorry it was my mistake It is su - su or sudo. Sorry. Is su - the best for install? Regards Sophie Von: Hans Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024 18:29 An: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: AW: su su- sudo dont work Am Dienstag, 23. Januar 2024,

Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after

2024-01-26 Thread hw
On Thu, 2024-01-18 at 13:26 +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: > Hello fellow Debian users, > > On Thu, 2024-01-18 at 12:18 +0100, hw wrote: > > > Always use an UPS. > > > Here I have a somewhat contrarian view, I hope not to offend too much: It's not offending, you merely have a different

Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)

2024-01-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:11:39PM +0100, hw wrote: > I've never had issues with any UPS due to self tests. The batteries > need to be replaced when they are worn out. How often that is > required depends on the UPS and the conditions it is working in, > usually every 3--5 years. Out of

Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)

2024-01-26 Thread fxkl47BF
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:11:39PM +0100, hw wrote: >> I've never had issues with any UPS due to self tests. The batteries >> need to be replaced when they are worn out. How often that is >> required depends on the UPS and the conditions it is

Re: Home UPS recommendations

2024-01-26 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 26 Jan 2024 15:17 +, from a...@strugglers.net (Andy Smith): > Out of interest what brand of UPS do you recommend for home use that > has easily-replaceable batteries every 3–5 years? For a load of > about 300W. I would suggest to look at the free-standing floor-/tower-model APC _Back-UPS

Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after

2024-01-26 Thread hw
On Thu, 2024-01-18 at 13:09 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 18 Jan 2024 13:26 +0100, from r...@h5.or.at (Ralph Aichinger): > > As a home/SOHO user, I'd rather have a working backup every few hours > > or every day than some RAID10 wonder > > Definitely agree that a solid backup regimen

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:50:00PM +0100, hw wrote: > How do you make the BIOS read the EFI partition when it's on mdadm > RAID? If MD superblock is at a part of device not used by filesystem (e.g. the end) and it is a RAID-1, each member device is indistinguishable from FAT filesystem

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Nicolas George
hw (12024-01-26): > How do you make the BIOS read the EFI partition when it's on mdadm > RAID? I have not yet tested but my working hypothesis is that the firmware will just ignore the RAID and read the EFI partition: with the scheme I described, the GPT points to the EFI partition and the EFI

Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-26 Thread Nicolas George
Hi. Yet another strange question. Is there a supported¹ way to have cryptsetup play a specific sound when it asks the password for the root partition from the initrd? I think brttty (braille) is already running at this point (no occasion to test yet), but a recognizable sound would be something

Re: standardize uid:gid?

2024-01-26 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 26 Jan 2024 09:21 -0500, from mst...@debian.org (Michael Stone): > In fact > the trend is more toward ephemeral runtime allocation rather than hardcoding > persistent IDs as more services/subsystems are designed to run in isolation. Not only that, but also without persisting data to disk

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread hw
On Wed, 2024-01-24 at 21:05 +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > [...] > GPT > ├─EFI > └─RAID > └─LVM (of course) > > Now, thanks to you, I know I can do: > > GPT > ┊ RAID > └───┤ > ├─EFI > └─LVM > > It is rather ugly to have the same device be both a RAID with its > superblock

Re: Data and hardware protection measures; was: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after

2024-01-26 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 26 Jan 2024 16:11 +0100, from h...@adminart.net (hw): > I rather spend the money on new batteries (EUR 40 last time after 5 > years) every couple years [...] > > The hardware is usually extremely difficult --- and may be impossible > --- to replace. And let's not forget that you can _plan_ to

Re: Home UPS recommendations

2024-01-26 Thread Tixy
On Fri, 2024-01-26 at 15:37 +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 26 Jan 2024 15:17 +, from a...@strugglers.net (Andy Smith): > > Out of interest what brand of UPS do you recommend for home use that > > has easily-replaceable batteries every 3–5 years? For a load of > > about 300W. > > I would

Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-26 Thread Curt
On 2024-01-26, Nicolas George wrote: > Curt (12024-01-26): >> I guess a systemd timer unit constitutes a hack. > > A systemd timer in the initrd? Can you elaborate? > A play-sound.timer unit file in /usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/initrd directory. A play-sound.service file in the same

Re: AW: AW: su su- sudo dont work

2024-01-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 04:23:07PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > su - > su > or sudo. > > Is su - > the best for install? Whatever works best for *you* is best. "su -" is quite popular. If it does what you need, and is convenient for you, then there's your answer.

Re: Playing a sound when initrd wants a password

2024-01-26 Thread Nicolas George
Curt (12024-01-26): > A play-sound.timer unit file in /usr/lib/systemd/system-generators/initrd > directory. I see no mention of this directory on the web. Where did yo find the idea of using it, I want to check the doc. And what should I put in the timer file to express “when a password is

Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)

2024-01-26 Thread Roger Price
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Andy Smith wrote: Out of interest what brand of UPS do you recommend for home use that has easily-replaceable batteries every 3–5 years? For a load of about 300W. I currently have two Eaton Ellipse ECO 1600's. I change the batteries every 4-5 years, but this is not as

Re: interroger programmatiquement le chemin de chargement dynamique (dlopen) par défaut?

2024-01-26 Thread Lamourec Alain
Bonsoir peut être à partir de ldd ? Basile Starynkevitch writes: Bonjour la liste, Pour les systèmes Debian ou proches (par exemple Ubuntu ou Linux Mint) comment interroger programmatiquement (dans un shell script ou un programme en C) le chemin par défaut du chargeur dynamique ld.so

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

2024-01-26 Thread Anssi Saari
"Roy J. Tellason, Sr." writes: > On Thursday 25 January 2024 09:03:36 am Anssi Saari wrote: >> Western Digital at least claims to have solved the leaking >> problem with helium and since they've been making those drives for over >> a decade, I think it's solved. > > Your source for this? The

Re: Resizing LVM partitions

2024-01-26 Thread Miroslav Skoric
On 1/24/24 11:27 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:43:51PM +0100, Miroslav Skoric wrote: I do not have root account. Sure you do. You might not have a root *password* set. (I use sudo from my user account.) I think I already tried rescue mode in the past but was not

Re: Changing The PSI Definition

2024-01-26 Thread Dan Ritter
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 07:32:38PM -0500, Thomas George wrote: > > The current PSI works perfectly but I don't like the pale green prompt. > > > > Tried editing .bashrd , /ext/fprofile and /ext/bash.bashrc but no changes to > > the PSI definition had any effect > > You

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Nicolas George wrote: Now that I think a little more, this concern is not only unconfirmed, it is rather absurd. The firmware would never write in parts of the drive that might contain data. UEFI understands the EFI system filesystem so it can "safely" write new files

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Tim Woodall wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Nicolas George wrote: Now that I think a little more, this concern is not only unconfirmed, it is rather absurd. The firmware would never write in parts of the drive that might contain data. UEFI understands the EFI system

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-26 Thread gene heskett
On 1/26/24 08:19, Tim Woodall wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2024, Nicolas George wrote: Now that I think a little more, this concern is not only unconfirmed, it is rather absurd. The firmware would never write in parts of the drive that might contain data. UEFI understands the EFI system filesystem