[Declude.JunkMail] OT: MX Connect Failure message
Hi, I'm doing caching for a domain that runs its own Exchange server. This has been working fine for some time, but it stopped working mysteriously over the weekend. I also noticed a significant increase in outbound mail on the daily midnight report. I do not know whether these itesm are connected, but the timing is interesting. The IMail log analyzer does not show the increase in traffic, which I take to mean that the increase in traffic may be to domains that are off the server (ie: this one that we're caching for). The correct IP address is in the HOSTS file. The MX Connect Failure message includes this IP. I can telnet to the remote server from my Imail server on port 25 with no apparent problems. A reboot of the Imail box did not help. Any ideas, anybody? -dave --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
Here's some food for thought for Scott: Several on the list have suggested that Declude adapt to run with other mail servers in addition to Imail. Of course, as Imail servers start getting replaced, it is very unlikely everyone will choose the same replacement MTA. More than likely, the Imail user base will fractionalize and probably choose from among 5 to 10 solutions (or more!). That means the target market only gets smaller and more fragmented. Declude would probably have to support multiple replacement email servers in order to keep most customers and that involves a lot of effort - development, testing, support. Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It might actually be less work and a better solution to simply provide a replacement mail server that all declude customers can use. Afterall, the quality of a declude server, if done right, would be equal to or better than the hodge-podge of other mail servers out there today! I would certainly rather stay with Declude than play the lottery picking another vendor and possibly end-up with another Ipswitch with simply a different name. Webmail could come later or not at all (there's enough pureplay Webmail stuff that grafting something in using imap or pop only would be decent at least for a while). --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? I'll bet that the core MTA in ICS is identical to Imail -- probably 99% of the same SMTP code. Unless the Spool folder, file name structure and ability to call your own SMTP32D transport is removed, I'll bet that it works. Has anyone downloaded a version and tested? If I get a chance I'll DL and test in Virtual PC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of decjunkmail Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail Here's some food for thought for Scott: Several on the list have suggested that Declude adapt to run with other mail servers in addition to Imail. Of course, as Imail servers start getting replaced, it is very unlikely everyone will choose the same replacement MTA. More than likely, the Imail user base will fractionalize and probably choose from among 5 to 10 solutions (or more!). That means the target market only gets smaller and more fragmented. Declude would probably have to support multiple replacement email servers in order to keep most customers and that involves a lot of effort - development, testing, support. Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It might actually be less work and a better solution to simply provide a replacement mail server that all declude customers can use. Afterall, the quality of a declude server, if done right, would be equal to or better than the hodge-podge of other mail servers out there today! I would certainly rather stay with Declude than play the lottery picking another vendor and possibly end-up with another Ipswitch with simply a different name. Webmail could come later or not at all (there's enough pureplay Webmail stuff that grafting something in using imap or pop only would be decent at least for a while). --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] IPSwitch ICS
Hi, Perhaps the time has arrived for the folks at Computerized Horizons to release their own full blown MTA... grin Add my vote, too! WebMail, POP, IMAP and SMTP. No need for the rest of it, IMHO. I have calendaring turned off, and I do not want to get involved with instant messaging and the rest. I could probably live without IMAP, too. Sorry, the reason we went with IMail was the webmail support at the time. We have completely rewritten the webmail templates to seemlessly integrate it with our website where our students and teachers can read the mail. As it also supports POP and IMAP we can also use it for the regular e-mail accounts the staff has, who mostly use Outlook (Express) on their computer (POP) and the shared e-mail accounts which are used by the helpdesk etc. (IMAP) and people like me who have 2 to 3 systems where they need to be able to access the mail. Of course an antivirus and antispam product like Declude only helped to swing the vote in IMail's favor at the time. We will be looking for something new in the future ass well. I had not renewed my SA either because I could not see any new developments we wanted to have in the lastest IMail product. Rights now we are at 8.05 and we'll probably stay there for a while. Met vriendelijke groet, Bonno Bloksma --- [E-mail scanned at tio.nl for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? Nothing. I'm pretty sure that ICS has not very much new tecnology inside - it's only the package and the price that differ. Has anyone downloaded a version and tested? If I get a chance I'll DL and test in Virtual PC. IPSwitch's strategy urges me to completely ignore this product. They should see, that offending customers this way is absolutely not acceptable. First voices on the imail list are confirming my expectation that ICS is neither comparable with Exchange. Regarding solution to 'death of Imail' I have to completely agree with Matt and 'decjunkmail' As I'm asking for a long time it would be very usefull to know what's going on with declude. I've asked this some months ago, since Imail is not my only choice for a mailserver. It's Declude holding me on this line. But even Declude showed certain things I can see now with IPSwitch/ICS. It's not completely the same story but customers in both cases are left in the dark and feel patronized by new features (colaboration, MTLD) they not realy need. To be honest I'm already in contact with realy expert developers (some of them has developed the basic functionality of Skype) and I feel myself knowledgeable enough to tell them what they have to code so that we can set up our own windows based smtp-gateway able to accept smtp-traffic on port 25, process them in a weighting system and take apropriate actions like in our current solution and then forward legigt traffic to another port on the local machine or another IP. Having the right informations what's going on with Declude would let me stop imediatly following the describbed way. Knowing what's going on with Imail will urge me to bring forward this idea bether today then tommorow. Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
[Replying to several posts here] Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It sounds like a great idea, but it would also be a huge undertaking. By the time we had something ready, it could be too late. What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? It almost certainly will. I think the concern is that about 90% of our customers will likely not be upgrading to ICS. It's Declude holding me on this line. But even Declude showed certain things I can see now with IPSwitch/ICS. It's not completely the same story but customers in both cases are left in the dark and feel patronized by new features (colaboration, MTLD) they not realy need. We will likely have more answers very soon. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
scott, it is never too late and i think your are right with the 90% of your customers. marc At 13:09 26.10.2004, you wrote: [Replying to several posts here] Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It sounds like a great idea, but it would also be a huge undertaking. By the time we had something ready, it could be too late. What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? It almost certainly will. I think the concern is that about 90% of our customers will likely not be upgrading to ICS. It's Declude holding me on this line. But even Declude showed certain things I can see now with IPSwitch/ICS. It's not completely the same story but customers in both cases are left in the dark and feel patronized by new features (colaboration, MTLD) they not realy need. We will likely have more answers very soon. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. [Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] [Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:46:50 -0400, Mark E. Smith wrote: What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? I'll bet that the core MTA in ICS is identical to Imail -- probably 99% of the same SMTP code. Unless the Spool folder, file name structure and ability to call your own SMTP32D transport is removed, I'll bet that it works. Has anyone downloaded a version and tested? If I get a chance I'll DL and test in Virtual PC. I'm not going to download it for the same reason I don't go for test rides in Hummers and Mercedes - because while I'm sure the product is nice - I'll never be able to afford it :) I'll probably spend some time today seeing what's new out in the mail server world. Been years since I've looked so it'll be interesting to see what has popped up. Jim --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Best Practices for handing legit email flagged as spam?
The reason it is called BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST is just that. Bounce only if you MUST and be aware of what you are doing. So what do you recommend to help avoid losing false-positives while still catching the crap? We all know that people will get false positives. How it is handled after that is the trick. Unfortunately, we have a couple of clients who are receiving email from people that always get blocked. And, regardless of what I say, they need those emails to get through, no matter what. With 1000+ domains on the server, with each having 1 to 300 accounts, to try to come up with a way to give the client more control would be a disaster. The phone rings constantly enough that people forget their password, didn't touch outlook yet all of their settings are different, etc What would happen if we let them start picking user defined levels within Declude? They'd be calling constantly - hey, I set it for medium and I'm not getting this email from my sister. Hey, I set it for low and it still lets spam in. HeyYou get the idea. I don't expect there to be a right answer... what I'm looking for are best practices - thanks for the other responses that came through - but for the rest, I'm not expecting a right or wrong answer, just looking to open a dialog of rules of thumb that might work well for all. Thanks! Chris --- [E-mail scanned at tio.nl for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Best Practices for handing legit email flagged as spam?
1 in 500,000? That's fantastic. I think that qualifies for the anti-spam guru of the week award! I'll investigate what you discussed and see how we can best apply the same strategies to what we're doing. Thanks! At 10:59 AM 10/25/2004, you wrote: For reviewing held mail I use a win2003 box and outlook express, outlook express allows easy access to the header information unlike Outlook. Win2003 allows you to connect to the console session so you can always leave outlook express open and running so your hold mailboxes dont get over filled. If remote management isnt a requirement then the win2003 remote console doesnt matter... On your filtering server, create a mailbox for each test that holds mail, create accounts and message rules to download and sort the mail by test. As you review the mail you can determine why a false positive occured and then adjust your filtering accordingly. Once you are certain a test is not generating false positives you can safely switch it to delete mail. My false positive rate is near 1 in 500k-700k we do about 115K messages a day, we hold over 100K of those as spam. I am constantly readjusting for better catch rate and fewer false positives This is how I do it. Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - - Original Message - From: Chris Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Best Practices for handing legit email flagged as spam? Hi all. We've been struggling a bit with this issue. We have a variety of tests in place, and basically have just changed our settings to: WEIGHT10 WARN WEIGHT20 BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST WEIGHT40 DELETE The hope is that it will bounce some of the false positives back to the senders so we don't get complaints from people that they are not receiving their emails (which previously were getting deleted) and that if it is so offending (it hits 40) that we delete it. I know there is a HOLD option where we could review it, but: 1. How time consuming is it to go in and review these messages? Do you waste a lot of time doing it? 2. How exactly do you review these and, if it looks legit, flag it as OK to go? Are there any tools where you can basically browse through the subjects, senders, etc., like you would with Eudora or Outlook? Or do you have to manually look at each? Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks Chris --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
Markus, RE: IPSwitch's strategy urges me to completely ignore this product. They should see, that offending customers this way is absolutely not acceptable. First voices on the imail list are confirming my expectation that ICS is neither comparable with Exchange. I agree 100% with you. I must first admit that I have not tested, read, or used the new IPSwitch product so I can't honestly say whether or not the new features are worth the price. However, given the fact that I have 4 subscriptions to Imail server Unlimited and was lead to believe that the collaboration upgrades would be part of a Imail upgrade makes me quite irritated. Furthermore, no notice was sent to me (probably no other Imail customers) about the release, upgrade path, pricing, etc of ICS. Also, the upgrade for existing subscription users is almost a slap in the face. We also have a 5000 user Exchange 2003 system so there really isn't any requirement that we have for a ICS product. Now, having said that, I do believe that there is a market for a stand-alone ICS product. Exchange w/ SBS is still more expensive than ICS so if ICS can deliver the features then it might be worth it. The unfortunate thing is that it looks like they won't be continuing to offer the Imail product that many ISP's have trusted for so long. I just know we won't buy ICS but we will continue to use Imail/Declude. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
Re: using MS SMTP. I believe that Scott addressed this once before but I'll take a shot at it. If memory serves me correctly, I think the problem with MS SMTP is that there isn't an easy way to shim declude between the SMTP listener service and the MTA. Remember that in Imail the SMTP service receives the email and SMTP32.EXE is spawned by the service to deliver the email. Declude is shimmed into the process where DECLUDE.EXE is called by the SMTP Service and Declude calls SMTP32.EXE In the MS SMTP world, I don't believe that there's a way to do this. Maybe this has changed since the NT 4.0 IIS world (when I believe this was discussed) However, there is a way to receive and deliver via the file system by placing messages into the \MAILROOT subfolders. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnproasp2/h tml/howsmtpserviceworks.asp Declude might be able to scan the \drop folder then call CDONTS.SYS for outbound processing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail [Replying to several posts here] Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It sounds like a great idea, but it would also be a huge undertaking. By the time we had something ready, it could be too late. What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? It almost certainly will. I think the concern is that about 90% of our customers will likely not be upgrading to ICS. It's Declude holding me on this line. But even Declude showed certain things I can see now with IPSwitch/ICS. It's not completely the same story but customers in both cases are left in the dark and feel patronized by new features (colaboration, MTLD) they not realy need. We will likely have more answers very soon. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
I have downloaded and installed the ICS on a test machine and everything installs separately and adds separate menu folders for Imail, IM and Workgroupshare The Imail component is just Imail 8.13 I couldnt find one thing that was different in it. I do not see any component integration aside from a utility to import Imail users into workgroupshare, smells like marketing people to me. Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - - Original Message - From: Mark E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? I'll bet that the core MTA in ICS is identical to Imail -- probably 99% of the same SMTP code. Unless the Spool folder, file name structure and ability to call your own SMTP32D transport is removed, I'll bet that it works. Has anyone downloaded a version and tested? If I get a chance I'll DL and test in Virtual PC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of decjunkmail Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail Here's some food for thought for Scott: Several on the list have suggested that Declude adapt to run with other mail servers in addition to Imail. Of course, as Imail servers start getting replaced, it is very unlikely everyone will choose the same replacement MTA. More than likely, the Imail user base will fractionalize and probably choose from among 5 to 10 solutions (or more!). That means the target market only gets smaller and more fragmented. Declude would probably have to support multiple replacement email servers in order to keep most customers and that involves a lot of effort - development, testing, support. Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It might actually be less work and a better solution to simply provide a replacement mail server that all declude customers can use. Afterall, the quality of a declude server, if done right, would be equal to or better than the hodge-podge of other mail servers out there today! I would certainly rather stay with Declude than play the lottery picking another vendor and possibly end-up with another Ipswitch with simply a different name. Webmail could come later or not at all (there's enough pureplay Webmail stuff that grafting something in using imap or pop only would be decent at least for a while). --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of iMail
Is it totally out of the question to develop a hook in for a Win32 build of sendmail/postfix? I for one would prefer to be free of yet another corporation on the dumb MTA side of things, and just trust Declude to do all the hard stuff. -Chase Chase Seibert | Network and Systems Engineer | Bullhorn Inc. | 617.464.2440 x119 | www.bullhorn.com -Original Message- From:decjunkmail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Sent: Oct 26, 2004 04:21:43 AM Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail Here's some food for thought for Scott: Several on the list have suggested that Declude adapt to run with other mail servers in addition to Imail. Of course, as Imail servers start getting replaced, it is very unlikely everyone will choose the same replacement MTA. More than likely, the Imail user base will fractionalize and probably choose from among 5 to 10 solutions (or more!). That means the target market only gets smaller and more fragmented. Declude would probably have to support multiple replacement email servers in order to keep most customers and that involves a lot of effort - development, testing, support. Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It might actually be less work and a better solution to simply provide a replacement mail server that all declude customers can use. Afterall, the quality of a declude server, if done right, would be equal to or better than the hodge-podge of other mail servers out there today! I would certainly rather stay with Declude than play the lottery picking another vendor and possibly end-up with another Ipswitch with simply a different name. Webmail could come later or not at all (there's enough pureplay Webmail stuff that grafting something in using imap or pop only would be decent at least for a while). --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipswitch Collaboration Suite Released
Hi David: I just upgraded one Imail server to 8.1 about 4 weeks ago and bought a service contract for the other. Questions: - What are the specific changes in Imail 9 vs. Imail 8.1 (I don't use and need any of the collaboration features that have been added in the past years.) I looked at your web site, but it seems you added nothing but cost? Correct? - How do I obtain a partial refund for the software / service contract purchases as there will be no more upgrades to new Imail version included as promised - and I will not make use of the upgrade discount to a product that apparently offers nothing new to justify doubling my cost. (I need that refund to set money aside to purchase an Internet mail server that will be supported going forward.) Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: Ipswitch, Inc. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 09:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ipswitch Collaboration Suite Released Hello, Ipswitch Collaboration Suite has just been released and it includes everything your company needs to collaborate effectively. Along with solid e-mail powered by IMail Server, it includes shared calendars and contact lists for Outlook, secure instant messaging and powerful spam and virus protection. Visit our Web site for full product information: http://visit.ipswitch.com/ICSinfo Because you are a valued customer, Ipswitch is making a limited-time offer available for you to purchase ICS at a special discount. You will need your serial number to verify you are eligible for the discount. It is IM-644515. This offer expires on December 24, 2004. Again, full details are available on our Web site: http://visit.ipswitch.com/ICSinfo You can also contact a reseller in your area for additional information: http://visit.ipswitch.com/partner Best regards, David Karp Senior Marketing Manager Ipswitch, Inc. __ This advertising message was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would no longer like to receive e-mail from Ipswitch, please visit us at: http://www.ipswitch.com/remove.asp Ipswitch, Inc. - 10 Maguire Road - Lexington, MA 02421 --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
MS SMTP has what is called Event Sink hook, where a hook can be registered and therefore called when a message is received. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP Re: using MS SMTP. I believe that Scott addressed this once before but I'll take a shot at it. If memory serves me correctly, I think the problem with MS SMTP is that there isn't an easy way to shim declude between the SMTP listener service and the MTA. Remember that in Imail the SMTP service receives the email and SMTP32.EXE is spawned by the service to deliver the email. Declude is shimmed into the process where DECLUDE.EXE is called by the SMTP Service and Declude calls SMTP32.EXE In the MS SMTP world, I don't believe that there's a way to do this. Maybe this has changed since the NT 4.0 IIS world (when I believe this was discussed) However, there is a way to receive and deliver via the file system by placing messages into the \MAILROOT subfolders. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnproasp2/h tml/howsmtpserviceworks.asp Declude might be able to scan the \drop folder then call CDONTS.SYS for outbound processing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail [Replying to several posts here] Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server? It sounds like a great idea, but it would also be a huge undertaking. By the time we had something ready, it could be too late. What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS? It almost certainly will. I think the concern is that about 90% of our customers will likely not be upgrading to ICS. It's Declude holding me on this line. But even Declude showed certain things I can see now with IPSwitch/ICS. It's not completely the same story but customers in both cases are left in the dark and feel patronized by new features (colaboration, MTLD) they not realy need. We will likely have more answers very soon. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
Correct - ORF is using various event sinks to do REAL connection time checks (!) as well as content checking AFTER message receipt (http://www.vamsoft.com/orf/). I'd love to see Declude and Sniffer ported to that environment... But, I agree - I would also go for a sendmail port for Windows. I rather pay CH for a dumb mail server that drives Declude and Sniffer - than pay Ipswitch to repurchase 8.13 with a bundle of solutions for which I have no need. I see no harm in staying with Imail for another year, while CH comes up with something more focused to the actual task. Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 09:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP MS SMTP has what is called Event Sink hook, where a hook can be registered and therefore called when a message is received. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Best Practices for handing legit email flagged as spam?
1 in 500,000? That's fantastic. I think that qualifies for the anti-spam guru of the week award! heh, that is no exageration either, it is mainly due to spending alot of time in looking at false positives and finding ways to prevent them. For example use filtering to look for legit mail, the attached filter file runs before all other filters, it contains things that I found in false positives. This file is my number one false positive eliminator, my second method is test the hell out of any significant changes first. I do have the luxury of having to only filter for one company and I can be fairly restrictive I will see if I can get my configs somewhere for download, I am willing to share my work because I hate spam and spammers so much... man do i hate them. Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - # Anti Anti-Spam # # This file is used to identify things in messages that don't # normally appear in spam to stop filtering processes. # TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS SENDERDB TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS ORDB TESTSFAILED END CONTAINS KUNDEN BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .csv BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .doc BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .EDS BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .PDF HEADERS STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .PDF BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .dtx BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .dwg BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .GMD BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .LSD BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .MRF BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .rtf BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .TIF BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .UP BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/applefile BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/mol BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/msword BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/octet-stream; BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/pdf BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/rtf ANYWHERE STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: image/tiff BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Content-Type: application/x-zip-compressed BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS X-MS-Attachment: # SUBJECT STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS [Declude SUBJECT STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS [Imail SUBJECT STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS [ciblist SUBJECT STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Closing Docu SUBJECT STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Commence sync data SUBJECT STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Documents For BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS digitaldocs BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS E-TICKET BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Note: forwarded message attached BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Orbitz Travel Document BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS marriott.com/property BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS marriott.com/reservation BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Your files are attached and ready to send with this message # HEADERS STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS CareerBuilder.com MAILFROM STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS @Dell.com MAILFROM STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS @LENNAR.COM MAILFROM STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS @UAMC.COM BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS www.natreach.com HEADERS STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS KODAK EasyShare HEADERS STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS reacheach1.com # # Psuedo whitelist # ANYWHERE STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS smtp.expedia.com ANYWHERE STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS @aa.globalnotifications.com ANYWHERE STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS datascope.com.ph ANYWHERE STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS DeltaElectronicTicketReceipt HEADERS STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .homes.com BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS isellfortcollins.biz BODY STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS Travelocity Reservation ANYWHERE STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .united.com ANYWHERE STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS .us.dell.com ALLRECIPS STOPALLTESTS CONTAINS @iwon.com
[Declude.JunkMail] Ipswitch/Imail...
I would recommend that all contract owners call Ipswith to voice their concerns. I told them that we've paid for 4 professional contracts which were supposed to get us support, fixes, AND major upgrades. Considering we've never called for support, and now that they've decided to discontinue Imail, I wanted a refund. Furthermore, I was quite irritated that no warning was given to the user base about this transition. For example, let's just say that we wanted to upgrade, we had no warning so that we could budget for this in 2005. I got the impression that I wasn't the only pissed off customer... --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] External Test for Obfuscated Subjects / update for Subject Case External Test
I have created an external test that checks the subject for obfuscated subjects based on a filter file. It is available at: http://it.farmprogress.com/declude/declude.htm I have also updated my external test for Subject Case to better decode the subject and to handle skip if weight processing.
[Declude.JunkMail] Ipswitch/Imail... Actionable?
I would recommend that all contract owners call Ipswitch to voice their concerns. I told them that we've paid for 4 professional contracts which were supposed to get us support, fixes, AND major upgrades. Considering we've never called for support, and now that they've decided to discontinue Imail, I wanted a refund. Furthermore, I was quite irritated that no warning was given to the user base about this transition. It's called: Deceptive business practice. You can't in good faith sell someone a '12 month service agreement' late September for a product that you know you will completely discontinue in the next few weeks. The point is not, whether a provider may be willing to support me for 12 months - the point is that I would have not chosen to purchase a service agreement (or actually TWO) for a discontinued product. I was deceived to throw good money behind an obsolete product. I wonder if this is actionable. Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
MS SMTP has what is called Event Sink hook, where a hook can be registered and therefore called when a message is received. And I have an MS SMTP event sink that calls Sniffer and SPAMC32. I'm working on integrating Declude's SUBJECT, WARN, HOLD, and DELETE actions (though probably not any of the rerouting stuff just yet). However, it is single-threaded, which is of course unacceptable; I'm working on some fixed-thread-count load balancing rather than a full rewrite. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] External Test for Obfuscated Subjects / update for Subject Case External Test
On 26 Oct 2004 at 10:43, Scott Fisher wrote: Nice job! Business as usual - back to spam busting.. -Nick I have created an external test that checks the subject for obfuscated subjects based on a filter file. It is available at: http://it.farmprogress.com/declude/declude.htm I have also updated my external test for Subject Case to better decode the subject and to handle skip if weight processing. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
By now most of you will have seen the recent announcement by Ipswitch of their product repackaging. Like you, we are disappointed by their decision to effectively impose a price increase to their base product offerings and to burden existing and future customers who appreciate the advantages of purchasing the Declude suite of applications. To all our customers including the many hundreds of you who contacted us yesterday by phone, email, support system and the JunkMail and Virus lists we can assure you that Declude will not abandon you and we will continue to deliver and enhance Declude, or as one customer described it yesterday, the best single feature of IMail! We had hoped to make this announcement when we had a definitive delivery date but the 2 additional versions of Declude that will address this situation are in the development mill. We are not able to provide more information at the present time but we will keep you up-to-date with specific information as it becomes available. We thank our loyal customers and partners for their support. If any of you have specific questions please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Hi Barry, So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail until you're ready with something else? Is this the right way for the following situation: Running IMail unlimited and Declude Junkmail Pro and Virus Pro. What if we've out an offer for two other such boxes? Beside the problem that we have to procure somewhere two v8 licenses, what about Declude licenses? Should we buy 2 x JM Pro and 2 x Virus Pro? After ?? months what's your offer for switch to a standalone license? If it willnot be a standalone product, I expect Declude will support another or some other mailservers. With date 2004-10-26 I'm looking for a new Mailserver. But if the new licenses of Declude will have the same pricing level as at the moment the most important point in the decision table will be: Is this MTA supporting Declude? So I hope you understand what I mean: I realy want continue with Declude but at the moment with the current information it's not very easy to plan something. God I feelt exactly this situation some months ago, and it was this feeling urging me to make some uncomfortable questions. In Germany people say: "Now the shit is steaming" Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry SimpsonSent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS By now most of you will have seen the recent announcement by Ipswitch of their product repackaging. Like you, we are disappointed by their decision to effectively impose a price increase to their base product offerings and to burden existing and future customers who appreciate the advantages of purchasing the Declude suite of applications.To all our customers including the many hundreds of you who contacted us yesterday by phone, email, support system and the JunkMail and Virus lists we can assure you that Declude will not abandon you and we will continue to deliver and enhance Declude, or as one customer described it yesterday, the best single feature of IMail! We had hoped to make this announcement when we had a definitive delivery date but the 2 additional versions of Declude that will address this situation are in the development mill. We are not able to provide more information at the present time but we will keep you up-to-date with specific information as it becomes available. We thank our loyal customers and partners for their support.If any of you have specific questions please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipswitch/Imail... Actionable?
Sounds like a class action lawsuit to me. Anyone have any legal experience? Let's spank 'um! -- Original Message -- From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:48:50 -0400 I would recommend that all contract owners call Ipswitch to voice their concerns. I told them that we've paid for 4 professional contracts which were supposed to get us support, fixes, AND major upgrades. Considering we've never called for support, and now that they've decided to discontinue Imail, I wanted a refund. Furthermore, I was quite irritated that no warning was given to the user base about this transition. It's called: Deceptive business practice. You can't in good faith sell someone a '12 month service agreement' late September for a product that you know you will completely discontinue in the next few weeks. The point is not, whether a provider may be willing to support me for 12 months - the point is that I would have not chosen to purchase a service agreement (or actually TWO) for a discontinued product. I was deceived to throw good money behind an obsolete product. I wonder if this is actionable. Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] MAILFROM vs Declude Sender
What SMTP field does the MAILFROM filter search look at? I thought it was the MAILFROMSMTP field but sometimes I think it reads the REPLYTO SMTP Field.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipswitch/Imail... Actionable?
Yeah and we all get $10.00 in coupons good for an Ipswitch product. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans Martin Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipswitch/Imail... Actionable? Sounds like a class action lawsuit to me. Anyone have any legal experience? Let's spank 'um! -- Original Message -- From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:48:50 -0400 I would recommend that all contract owners call Ipswitch to voice their concerns. I told them that we've paid for 4 professional contracts which were supposed to get us support, fixes, AND major upgrades. Considering we've never called for support, and now that they've decided to discontinue Imail, I wanted a refund. Furthermore, I was quite irritated that no warning was given to the user base about this transition. It's called: Deceptive business practice. You can't in good faith sell someone a '12 month service agreement' late September for a product that you know you will completely discontinue in the next few weeks. The point is not, whether a provider may be willing to support me for 12 months - the point is that I would have not chosen to purchase a service agreement (or actually TWO) for a discontinued product. I was deceived to throw good money behind an obsolete product. I wonder if this is actionable. Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Marcus, We recognized early on that relying on one email partner would be a mistake. To that end we had started this new development prior to any knowledge of the recent Ipswitch announcement. Our immediate goal is to produce a gateway version of Declude that will be downloadable and work within the Windows environment. A gateway version of Declude enables our software to be compatible with any mail server. At the present time we do not anticipate any additional costs for existing customers in good standing (i.e. customers who have a valid service agreement) who wish to switch to the new software. In the event that we add new modules to our suite of software these may be chargeable in the future. It is not our intention to force to customers purchase more software than they need and our modular pricing reflects this. We are working just as fast as we can to get something out the door that will in effect be MTA independent. Regards Barry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus Gufler Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Hi Barry, So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail until you're ready with something else? Is this the right way for the following situation: Running IMail unlimited and Declude Junkmail Pro and Virus Pro. What if we've out an offer for two other such boxes? Beside the problem that we have to procure somewhere two v8 licenses, what about Declude licenses? Should we buy 2 x JM Pro and 2 x Virus Pro? After ?? months what's your offer for switch to a standalone license? If it willnot be a standalone product, I expect Declude will support another or some other mailservers. With date 2004-10-26 I'm looking for a new Mailserver. But if the new licenses of Declude will have the same pricing level as at the moment the most important point in the decision table will be: Is this MTA supporting Declude? So I hope you understand what I mean: I realy want continue with Declude but at the moment with the current information it's not very easy to plan something. God I feelt exactly this situation some months ago, and it was this feeling urging me to make some uncomfortable questions. In Germany people say: Now the shit is steaming Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Simpson Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS By now most of you will have seen the recent announcement by Ipswitch of their product repackaging. Like you, we are disappointed by their decision to effectively impose a price increase to their base product offerings and to burden existing and future customers who appreciate the advantages of purchasing the Declude suite of applications. To all our customers including the many hundreds of you who contacted us yesterday by phone, email, support system and the JunkMail and Virus lists we can assure you that Declude will not abandon you and we will continue to deliver and enhance Declude, or as one customer described it yesterday, the best single feature of IMail! We had hoped to make this announcement when we had a definitive delivery date but the 2 additional versions of Declude that will address this situation are in the development mill. We are not able to provide more information at the present time but we will keep you up-to-date with specific information as it becomes available. We thank our loyal customers and partners for their support. If any of you have specific questions please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Markus Gufler wrote: So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail until you're ready with something else? That's really the most common sense approach, isn't it? There's been an almost hysterical reaction to the ICS announcement. People have right to be angry disappointed over it; but traffic on he iMail list almost seems like a knee-jerk reaction: Good lord that's a lot of money -- I'm buying something else right now. If GM decided to only make Cadillacs, does that mean your Chevy is suddenly un-drivable? Your exiting iMail installation isn't going to stop working just because your service agreement ran out. I mean, are there really any show stopper bugs in iMail right now? Of course, we have a poly-chromatic equine if you are (or will be) in the market for additional server licenses. In that case, it would be prudent to look at some competitor's offerings (Verio, Merak, others). Maybe you'll even find one you like better than iMail. As for losing Declude, that's not really an issue. Even if Computerized Horizons takes 6 months to come out with an iMail independent Declude version (which I am certain they are working on), you could still use a small server running the iMail 8.xx declude that you already own as an SMTP relay for all the new boxes. Regards; -- --- Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. --- Bud Durland, CNE Mold-Rite Plastics Network Administrator http://www.mrpcap.com --- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus / Sophos AV] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
CBL:RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
this are good news :-) thanks Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry SimpsonSent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Marcus, We recognized early on that relying on one email partner would be a mistake. To that end we had started this new development prior to any knowledge of the recent Ipswitch announcement. Our immediate goal is to produce a gateway version of Declude that will be downloadable and work within the Windows environment. A gateway version of Declude enables our software to be compatible with any mail server. At the present time we do not anticipate any additional costs for existing customers in good standing (i.e. customers who have a valid service agreement) who wish to switch to the new software. In the event that we add new modules to our suite of software these may be chargeable in the future. It is not our intention to force to customers purchase more software than they need and our modular pricing reflects this. We are working just as fast as we can to get something out the door that will in effect be MTA independent. Regards Barry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus GuflerSent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:24 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Hi Barry, So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail until you're ready with something else? Is this the right way for the following situation: Running IMail unlimited and Declude Junkmail Pro and Virus Pro. What if we've out an offer for two other such boxes? Beside the problem that we have to procure somewhere two v8 licenses, what about Declude licenses? Should we buy 2 x JM Pro and 2 x Virus Pro? After ?? months what's your offer for switch to a standalone license? If it willnot be a standalone product, I expect Declude will support another or some other mailservers. With date 2004-10-26 I'm looking for a new Mailserver. But if the new licenses of Declude will have the same pricing level as at the moment the most important point in the decision table will be: Is this MTA supporting Declude? So I hope you understand what I mean: I realy want continue with Declude but at the moment with the current information it's not very easy to plan something. God I feelt exactly this situation some months ago, and it was this feeling urging me to make some uncomfortable questions. In Germany people say: "Now the shit is steaming" Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry SimpsonSent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS By now most of you will have seen the recent announcement by Ipswitch of their product repackaging. Like you, we are disappointed by their decision to effectively impose a price increase to their base product offerings and to burden existing and future customers who appreciate the advantages of purchasing the Declude suite of applications.To all our customers including the many hundreds of you who contacted us yesterday by phone, email, support system and the JunkMail and Virus lists we can assure you that Declude will not abandon you and we will continue to deliver and enhance Declude, or as one customer described it yesterday, the best single feature of IMail! We had hoped to make this announcement when we had a definitive delivery date but the 2 additional versions of Declude that will address this situation are in the development mill. We are not able to provide more information at the present time but we will keep you up-to-date with specific information as it becomes available. We thank our loyal customers and partners for their support.If any of you have specific questions please feel free to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry SimpsonSent: 26. oktober 2004 20:02To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Our immediate goal is to produce a gateway version of Declude that will be downloadable and work within the Windows environment. A gateway version of Declude enables our software to be compatible with any mail server. At the present time we do not anticipate any additional costs for existing customers in good standing (i.e. customers who have a valid service agreement) who wish to switch to the new software. Right on! Thats what I had hoped for. And I promise you, in the future it will be a lot easier to recommend Declude to others when I don't have to mention 3 products they have to buy (Imail, Declude and Sniffer). Regards,Kaj
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
Andy, Let me add my 2 cents about MS SMTP and expose some of my thought process on related things. We also use ORF, but only for address validation during the SMTP connection, although we could also selectively blacklist with it if we wanted to, and probably would sometime in the future. What concerns me with MS SMTP is how to handle HOLD E-mail. MS uses a system with encoded files, two of them in fact, that represent what is effectively our Q* file in IMail containing all of the recipient and Mail From information. The event sync doesn't require reading these files since the data is shared with the app without needing to read the files directly (as far as I can tell), but if you place these files in hold somewhere, it would be difficult to read them. This might also cause some issues with external applications that might make use of the Q* files to read the recipient information, which is something that I have personally been working on since it is impracticable to pass this information to an external application by way of a command line argument being that some of it is too long for that (multiple recipients). So it would appear that without the ability to access a Q* type of data element, an external app would have some difficulty. Declude could however create this file on the fly and then destroy it. So when a message is 'held' in MS SMTP, you seemingly lose the original recipient information, and this is critical to our system for reprocessing blocked messages. This seems to set up a situation where every blocked message would need to be redirected to a different mail server, where you might configure a separate capture routine necessary for handling held messages, but it would seem that MS SMTP would only be capable of actions like SUBJECT, HEADERS, BOUNCE and DELETE, with BLOCK being done in some cases before the message is received like ORF can do on envelope information. What ORF has done is definitely very nice albeit very limited at the moment. The fact that they can take action based on blacklists and recipient information before the data is even sent is wonderful since you could tarball and drop connections for obvious spam without hardly any processing power, and then you could virus scan and filter whatever might be left over saving a ton of overhead in a system. I only worry about how to integrate some sort of HOLD or COPYFILE capability, though I'm not concerned if that needs to be done on a separate mail system. Personally, I have no interest in a Declude mail server. I don't expect a few programmers to be able to program an entire mail server effectively, and that would be limiting to their customer base. What is really needed is a Declude plug-in to an MTA that may or may not be your mail server as well. MS SMTP and Postfix are the two most obvious candidates. I thought they would steer clear of Postfix being that people that choose it have the option of installing Spam Assassin for free, and we are certainly considering that ourselves, even before the Ipswitch developments. I wouldn't mind leveraging my Windows knowledge with MS SMTP where commercial software is king, and I am comfortable enough with Declude to give that a shot should it come. I am very worried about what is to come regardless. As you have seen, even companies like Ipswitch can turn around and pull the rug right out from under you, and despite almost 6 months of hints about another platform, Declude won't even tell us what platforms they are targeting, and straight answers are harder to come by these days (such as resolving clear and obvious issues with vulnerabilities). The Ipswitch move makes my aversion to these things grow. By in large I like Declude's functionality, but I can't afford having too many more liabilities like Ipswitch, in fact it is going to be hard to stomach the Ipswitch liability after I just dumped a ton of money into servers and a ton of development time into my filtering and external applications. My overall investment in my mail services is about $15,000 and thousands of man hours, and I needed more time for that to pay off, but now it will cost me more and further development in the current platform will be at least to some extent wasted. That's very unfortunate considering that I haven't even had a 'hard launch' of my service as yet due to delays in upgrading my capacity. I don't want to make any brash decisions, so I am going to give it some time before I write anything in stone. I may choose to move my mail hosting first since that isn't necessarily tied to the spam and virus blocking. This also means buying yet another server, something that I am not at all happy about. If I buy another server, I can almost guarantee that it will be linux. I'm sick of being burned by companies in the pursuit of higher profits over honor. Matt Andy Schmidt wrote: Correct - ORF is using various event sinks to do
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Barry Simpson wrote: Our immediate goal is to produce a gateway version of Declude that will be downloadable and work within the Windows environment. Barry, that's the first time that someone from your company has even indicated an OS that you are working on, and this is information that is very important to your users that are contemplating changes. Would it be presumptuous of me to ask if you are at least going to target MS SMTP being that it is Windows? This seems obvious, so you might as well let it be known just to clear the air. Please don't hold back on releasing information like this even though it is currently vaporware, because it does matter. If you are targeting Postfix as well, please also let us know. I don't want to be spending time looking into things that I don't need to bother with, and I certainly don't want to be making choices that inadvertently close the door on other ones. Thanks, Matt -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
RE: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
There's been an almost hysterical reaction to the ICS announcement. ... Yes I know that my server will not stop working a certain day only because the SA expires. But what if there will happen something like a new MS Update that I must implement but will kill imail functionality. You know this has happened and you know this can theoretically happen also tomorrow. Not to talk about the case a new vulnerability is discovered. We have several thousands mailbox users spread al around the internet. This people are paying us for the service and I fear thay will do the same thing with me as I will do with Ipswitch if it will realy become as nobody wants. In the meantime it's important that as many people as possible will place their opinion about IPSwitch's strategy because there is still no logic explanation for what they have done. What IPSwitch is doing is simply suicide, nothing else. Try to immagine you're working in a company that does the same thing as IPSwitch this days. At the moment I'm aware of what's happening I'm the first one of talking with people in my company and at least ask what they plan to do with me if the strategy will not work. I guess wife and children are not realy interested how many (or few?) customers will buy colaboration software if the income goes down or becomes zero. Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] MAILFROM vs Declude Sender
What SMTP field does the MAILFROM filter search look at? I thought it was the MAILFROM SMTP field but sometimes I think it reads the REPLYTO SMTP Field. It looks at the SMTP MAIL FROM command. Declude never looks at the Reply-To: header. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
There may not be show stopper bug right now but what if a vunrability is discovered. IPSwitch will not necessarly create the patch for an older version. They may say update to ICS it does not have the vunrability??? I do not expect all IMail installations to dump IMail because of this but many of us will not renew our service agreements by being forced to upgrade. And when time comes for new features like port 587 or SPF support. Current imail admins will look for other mail server software at a more reasonable price. This is a shock to us all and in many opinions bad business on IPSwitches part. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bud Durland Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Markus Gufler wrote: So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail until you're ready with something else? That's really the most common sense approach, isn't it? There's been an almost hysterical reaction to the ICS announcement. People have right to be angry disappointed over it; but traffic on he iMail list almost seems like a knee-jerk reaction: Good lord that's a lot of money -- I'm buying something else right now. If GM decided to only make Cadillacs, does that mean your Chevy is suddenly un-drivable? Your exiting iMail installation isn't going to stop working just because your service agreement ran out. I mean, are there really any show stopper bugs in iMail right now? Of course, we have a poly-chromatic equine if you are (or will be) in the market for additional server licenses. In that case, it would be prudent to look at some competitor's offerings (Verio, Merak, others). Maybe you'll even find one you like better than iMail. As for losing Declude, that's not really an issue. Even if Computerized Horizons takes 6 months to come out with an iMail independent Declude version (which I am certain they are working on), you could still use a small server running the iMail 8.xx declude that you already own as an SMTP relay for all the new boxes. Regards; -- --- Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. --- Bud Durland, CNE Mold-Rite Plastics Network Administrator http://www.mrpcap.com --- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus / Sophos AV] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
if you place these files in hold somewhere, it would be difficult to read them. You don't hold the files in MS' queue format, you hold them in RFC 822 raw, which then can be dropped into the pickup directory as desired. it is impracticable to pass this information to an external application by way of a command line argument being that some of it is too long for that (multiple recipients). Well, that's really the same with the present architecture. We're lucky that IMail uses the Q file, but we could just as easily create it, as you note. An advanced Declude plug-in architecture would simply be loaded as a DLL, meaning that command-line data would instead be passed as a function param. So when a message is 'held' in MS SMTP, you seemingly lose the original recipient information... No, only if you choose to. I have no problem retaining the recip information in an off-line file. There's no technical prohibition on HOLD or COPYTO equivalents under MS SMTP. It just takes a specialized approach. Personally, I have no interest in a Declude mail server. I certainly agree with you there! MS SMTP is so powerful that it's amazing that MS gives it away. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
Hi Matt: I also plan to take a wait and see approach before deciding which software will replace Imail. CH will offer a standalone gateway product, which is neat - but it doesn't address the need to have to find a new POP/IMAP/HTTPmail server at some point in the future. If CH will eventually recommend another Windows mail server package that they will integrate with, I would give this a very serious consideration. Generally, I'm not in panic. I am comfortable that there are packaged solutions out there that sound like they'll do the job. I would definitely miss Declude. However, this time I will not rule out the possibility that I will actually learn Linux. Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 02:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP Andy, Let me add my 2 cents about MS SMTP and expose some of my thought process on related things. We also use ORF, but only for address validation during the SMTP connection, although we could also selectively blacklist with it if we wanted to, and probably would sometime in the future. What concerns me with MS SMTP is how to handle HOLD E-mail. MS uses a system with encoded files, two of them in fact, that represent what is effectively our Q* file in IMail containing all of the recipient and Mail From information. The event sync doesn't require reading these files since the data is shared with the app without needing to read the files directly (as far as I can tell), but if you place these files in hold somewhere, it would be difficult to read them. This might also cause some issues with external applications that might make use of the Q* files to read the recipient information, which is something that I have personally been working on since it is impracticable to pass this information to an external application by way of a command line argument being that some of it is too long for that (multiple recipients). So it would appear that without the ability to access a Q* type of data element, an external app would have some difficulty. Declude could however create this file on the fly and then destroy it. So when a message is 'held' in MS SMTP, you seemingly lose the original recipient information, and this is critical to our system for reprocessing blocked messages. This seems to set up a situation where every blocked message would need to be redirected to a different mail server, where you might configure a separate capture routine necessary for handling held messages, but it would seem that MS SMTP would only be capable of actions like SUBJECT, HEADERS, BOUNCE and DELETE, with BLOCK being done in some cases before the message is received like ORF can do on envelope information. What ORF has done is definitely very nice albeit very limited at the moment. The fact that they can take action based on blacklists and recipient information before the data is even sent is wonderful since you could tarball and drop connections for obvious spam without hardly any processing power, and then you could virus scan and filter whatever might be left over saving a ton of overhead in a system. I only worry about how to integrate some sort of HOLD or COPYFILE capability, though I'm not concerned if that needs to be done on a separate mail system. Personally, I have no interest in a Declude mail server. I don't expect a few programmers to be able to program an entire mail server effectively, and that would be limiting to their customer base. What is really needed is a Declude plug-in to an MTA that may or may not be your mail server as well. MS SMTP and Postfix are the two most obvious candidates. I thought they would steer clear of Postfix being that people that choose it have the option of installing Spam Assassin for free, and we are certainly considering that ourselves, even before the Ipswitch developments. I wouldn't mind leveraging my Windows knowledge with MS SMTP where commercial software is king, and I am comfortable enough with Declude to give that a shot should it come. I am very worried about what is to come regardless. As you have seen, even companies like Ipswitch can turn around and pull the rug right out from under you, and despite almost 6 months of hints about another platform, Declude won't even tell us what platforms they are targeting, and straight answers are harder to come by these days (such as resolving clear and obvious issues with vulnerabilities). The Ipswitch move makes my aversion to these things grow. By in large I like Declude's functionality, but I can't afford having too many more liabilities like Ipswitch, in fact it is going to be hard to
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] MS SMTP
Sanford Whiteman wrote: Personally, I have no interest in a "Declude mail server". I certainly agree with you there! MS SMTP is so powerful that it's amazing that MS "gives" it away. Shh! The next thing you know it will cost $6,000 to upgrade that as well :) Regarding your comments about recipient information, I do hope that IF Declude is targeting MS SMTP, that they take note of the need for handling this in a special way. Matt -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
As far as a new mail server platform goes, it will be necessary for us to have something that allows you to block all non-AUTH connections and only allow specific IP addresses. We need to make sure that spammers don't bypass the gateway and do direct delivery. IMail is currently incapable of this without a product like Declude to run cleanup. IMail can't be stopped from accepting any locally addressed E-mail. It also seems that in order to keep our customers protected, it will be necessary to have virus scanning on the actual mail server and not the gateway, or at least not just the gateway. I'm confident that Postfix and Sendmail can do that, but I'm not clear on what Windows-based servers might allow for turning off unauthorized SMTP connections to hosted addresses. Having real port 587 functionality for AUTH-only and blocking port 25 connections at the router would be suitable, but it seems that while everyone is rushing to support SPF, no one (mail server companies) seems to care about port 587 AUTH-only which, IMO, is more important to push at this stage. Matt Kevin Bilbee wrote: There may not be show stopper bug right now but what if a vunrability is discovered. IPSwitch will not necessarly create the patch for an older version. They may say update to ICS it does not have the vunrability??? I do not expect all IMail installations to dump IMail because of this but many of us will not renew our service agreements by being forced to upgrade. And when time comes for new features like port 587 or SPF support. Current imail admins will look for other mail server software at a more reasonable price. This is a shock to us all and in many opinions bad business on IPSwitches part. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bud Durland Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Markus Gufler wrote: So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail until you're ready with something else? That's really the most common sense approach, isn't it? There's been an almost hysterical reaction to the ICS announcement. People have right to be angry disappointed over it; but traffic on he iMail list almost seems like a knee-jerk reaction: "Good lord that's a lot of money -- I'm buying something else right now". If GM decided to only make Cadillacs, does that mean your Chevy is suddenly un-drivable? Your exiting iMail installation isn't going to stop working just because your service agreement ran out. I mean, are there really any "show stopper" bugs in iMail right now? Of course, we have a poly-chromatic equine if you are (or will be) in the market for additional server licenses. In that case, it would be prudent to look at some competitor's offerings (Verio, Merak, others). Maybe you'll even find one you like better than iMail. As for losing Declude, that's not really an issue. Even if Computerized Horizons takes 6 months to come out with an iMail independent Declude version (which I am certain they are working on), you could still use a small server running the iMail 8.xx declude that you already own as an SMTP relay for all the new boxes. Regards; -- --- Diagonally parked in a parallel universe. --- Bud Durland, CNE Mold-Rite Plastics Network Administrator http://www.mrpcap.com --- --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus / Sophos AV] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =
Re: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
That is exactly the point, and in my experience with Ipswitch when a fix is found they just ask to upgrade to their newest version rather than updating their older releases. Now this worked fine for us in the old days (i.e. prior to ICS). So let us assume that in February 2005 I have a 1) valid Imail service agreement and 2) I patch my server with a Windows hotfix which breaks something in Imail. Now what will Ipswitch do? A) Release a fix or B) ask us to upgrade to ICS. That is the issue and that is why the high level of concern. Of course things will work, until they break and that is why you want to be working on a platform that still is actively being supported. So if email is a critical component of your business, which I assume it is, then I suggest you either decide to upgrade sooner or later or look for an alternative to Imail. Personally we have made our decision to move away from Imail and are evaluating other products. Mailenable and Smarterools both have a migration util, I actually demo'd the SmarterTools migration util and works great so we will see... PV - Original Message - From: Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 2:35 PM Subject: RE: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS There's been an almost hysterical reaction to the ICS announcement. ... Yes I know that my server will not stop working a certain day only because the SA expires. But what if there will happen something like a new MS Update that I must implement but will kill imail functionality. You know this has happened and you know this can theoretically happen also tomorrow. Not to talk about the case a new vulnerability is discovered. We have several thousands mailbox users spread al around the internet. This people are paying us for the service and I fear thay will do the same thing with me as I will do with Ipswitch if it will realy become as nobody wants. In the meantime it's important that as many people as possible will place their opinion about IPSwitch's strategy because there is still no logic explanation for what they have done. What IPSwitch is doing is simply suicide, nothing else. Try to immagine you're working in a company that does the same thing as IPSwitch this days. At the moment I'm aware of what's happening I'm the first one of talking with people in my company and at least ask what they plan to do with me if the strategy will not work. I guess wife and children are not realy interested how many (or few?) customers will buy colaboration software if the income goes down or becomes zero. Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Determining a BCC Recipient
I am looking at creating our own email archiving solution using sql, the main hurdle is how to handle and email sent to a user using BCC. Is there a way to use Declude to include that info in a recipient x-header? If I send myself using only the BCC field the header contains only this From: Rick Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: test I assume the BCC info is lost once the message hits the senders SMTP server correct? Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
I just tested Smartermail in lab, used their migration utility (migrated from a test imail install) and worked well, mailboxes were cipied along with users, aliases etc. We have been using Mailenable for a while now for some customers, works well but they are all low usage so I dont know how it will work in a high-volume environment. And I think ME also has an Imail migration util. PV - Original Message - From: sbsi lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:28 PM Subject: Re[2]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Hi PV, Interested in knowing how the SmarterTools Mail Server works for you -- as well as the MailEnable. I was in the process of testing the SmarterTools Stats program. The whole IPSWITCH is unbelievable in my opinion and I am in the process of installing a mail server in a new environment which was going to be IMAIL ... now having to re-evaluate that. -jason ML Personally we have made our decision to move away from Imail and are ML evaluating other products. Mailenable and Smarterools both have a migration ML util, I actually demo'd the SmarterTools migration util and works great so ML we will see... --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[4]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Hey PV, Thanks for the feedback. My issue on changing - just like everyone else here - is that Declude Junk/Virus is doing great for us and then moving to a new mail server and just hoping it will work as they (the new vendor) say it will ... I don't believe it. Just looking at the screen shot for the SmarterTools Mail product, that doesn't look that flexible to me on killing spam. They say they scan viruses but can't find out how. MailEnable ... they say they do MailEnable Anti-Virus and then they have Enhanced Anti-Spam facilities but what does that mean? Probably just stay with IMAIL and go ahead with it as my install and go from there. I think we have many more months before we would have to move. I hope. So... I saw this link on the Ipswitch forums and it's a good read - I don't think it's been posted here yet. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/10/26.html -jason ML I just tested Smartermail in lab, used their migration utility (migrated ML from a test imail install) and worked well, mailboxes were cipied along with ML users, aliases etc. ML We have been using Mailenable for a while now for some customers, works well ML but they are all low usage so I dont know how it will work in a high-volume ML environment. And I think ME also has an Imail migration util. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Determining a BCC Recipient
Rick, This information is in the Q* file. If you use the COPYFILE action, it will keep both the D* and the Q* file. The only issue is that the Declude headers are lost and each message is kept separately and not viewable without a special application like spamreview. IMO, this is appropriate for archiving due to legal requirement, but not for doing review. If you want to handle this in a different way by just sending to a mailbox, you can use a WARN action with the %ALLRECIPS% variable which will contain the BCC addresses as well. For instance, you could do the following: TESTNAMEWARN X-RECIPIENTS: %ALLRECIPS% This of course exposes the BCC info to all that might view the headers. Matt Rick Davidson wrote: I am looking at creating our own email archiving solution using sql, the main hurdle is how to handle and email sent to a user using BCC. Is there a way to use Declude to include that info in a recipient x-header? If I send myself using only the BCC field the header contains only this From: Rick Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Subject: test I assume the BCC info is lost once the message hits the senders SMTP server correct? Rick Davidson National Systems Manager North American Title Group - --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- = MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ = --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[5]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Thank you. That is excellent commentary and shows a reality centered focus on the issues at hand. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rleeheath.com - Copy of Original Message(s): - sl So... I saw this link on the Ipswitch forums and it's a good read - I sl don't think it's been posted here yet. sl http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/10/26.html sl -jason --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Solution to death of IMail
For us this may be a blessing in disguise. I purchased a SA last Friday the 22nd and I am glad I did. Anyway as an ISP we have been thinking of changing our mail system anyway. Declude does need to look at a gateway type of product. We have been seriously looking into something like Barracuda just because we could use one gateway for several servers. I think that Ipswitch is going the wrong way - yes there is a market for collaboration software but it is not for everyone. To not sell the stand alone server is going to be a blow to them. By the time they realize their mistake it may be too late. Just my two cents on the subject. Chuck Schick Warp 8, Inc. (303)-421-5140 www.warp8.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[4]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
No question that the built in spam and av protection for smartertools is no-where close to Declude. Their antispam is made of blacklists (you can add your own as well) and bayesian which I really like, but that's it. The end user interfacefor spam managemanet is really neat though. I am still trying to understand their AV but multiple scanners are not supported. If only Declude would support SmarterTools (Declude r u listening)? Mailenable AV actually isnt that bad, probably better than Smaretrtools but not as good as declude. Their antispam is just too basic. PV - Original Message - From: sbsi lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:12 PM Subject: Re[4]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS Hey PV, Thanks for the feedback. My issue on changing - just like everyone else here - is that Declude Junk/Virus is doing great for us and then moving to a new mail server and just hoping it will work as they (the new vendor) say it will ... I don't believe it. Just looking at the screen shot for the SmarterTools Mail product, that doesn't look that flexible to me on killing spam. They say they scan viruses but can't find out how. MailEnable ... they say they do MailEnable Anti-Virus and then they have Enhanced Anti-Spam facilities but what does that mean? Probably just stay with IMAIL and go ahead with it as my install and go from there. I think we have many more months before we would have to move. I hope. So... I saw this link on the Ipswitch forums and it's a good read - I don't think it's been posted here yet. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/10/26.html -jason ML I just tested Smartermail in lab, used their migration utility (migrated ML from a test imail install) and worked well, mailboxes were cipied along with ML users, aliases etc. ML We have been using Mailenable for a while now for some customers, works well ML but they are all low usage so I dont know how it will work in a high-volume ML environment. And I think ME also has an Imail migration util. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[6]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
On Tuesday, October 26, 2004, 8:25:58 PM, Mailing wrote: ML No question that the built in spam and av protection for smartertools is ML no-where close to Declude. ML Their antispam is made of blacklists (you can add your own as well) and ML bayesian which I really like, but that's it. The end user interfacefor spam ML managemanet is really neat though. ML I am still trying to understand their AV but multiple scanners are not ML supported. ML If only Declude would support SmarterTools (Declude r u listening)? ML Mailenable AV actually isnt that bad, probably better than Smaretrtools but ML not as good as declude. Their antispam is just too basic. I'll bet that Declude will be supporting a lot of platforms in the future. They're smart guys, and there are a lot of systems out there that can use what Declude has. I know that we will continue to push for better integration in all of the platforms we support. Wherever we can, we will drag them along with us ;-) MailEnable is another interesting target I was looking at today. It's so open (apparently) that it should be possible to do extremely sophisticated things with it. I've got stuff on my short list that will keep me away from it, but I'll bet that's one of the next platform interfaces we will build. (Any other suggestions let me know - our goal is to have a very wide audience!) Then there are all of the open source packages out there... Nothing says these can't be repackaged into a tightly integrated, easily installed distribution with a few proprietary plug-ins thrown in for good measure... that's a big undertaking though, so it will come later (when, not if: somebody has to do it - maybe Postfix + Courier + ClamAV + ... for example. Sniffer already runs on postfix (even better soon). It shouldn't be hard for Declude to get there.). Gateway software, appliances, MTA integration (Postfix, QMail, MS SMTP, etc...), Email platforms - SmartMail, MailEnable, ... Lots of opportunities, lots of smart folks in the community and inside Declude, nothing to worry about. Perhaps this IMail thing was just the knock needed to shove things into high gear. Imagine having your choice of virtually any email platform to run with Declude (and Sniffer of course G) ... I'll bet it happens before long. Well... back to work with me... My $0.02 _M --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: CBL:RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Thanks for sharing this with us, Markus. This was the best news of the day regarding Imail or transitioning from Imail. -- Roger Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rleeheath.com - Copy of Original Message(s): - MG this are good news :-) MG MG thanks MG Markus MG MG MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry MG Simpson MG Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:02 PM MG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG Subject: RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]Declude and Ipswitch ICS MG Marcus, MG MG We recognized earlyon that relying on one email partner MG would be a mistake. To that end we hadstarted this new MG development prior to any knowledge of the recent Ipswitch MG announcement. MG MG Our immediate goal isto produce a gateway version of MG Declude that will be downloadable and workwithin the Windows MG environment. A gateway version of Declude enables oursoftware MG to be compatible with any mail server. At the present time we do MG notanticipate any additional costs for existing customers in MG good standing (i.e.customers who have a valid service MG agreement) who wish to switch to the newsoftware. MG MG In the event that weadd new modules to our suite of MG software these may be chargeable in thefuture. It is not our MG intention to force to customers purchase more softwarethan MG they need and our modular pricing reflectsthis. MG MG We are working justas fast as we can to get something out MG the door that will in effect be MTAindependent. MG MG Regards MG MG Barry MG MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus MG Gufler MG Sent: Tuesday, October26, 2004 1:24 PM MG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG Subject: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail]Declude and Ipswitch ICS MG MG HiBarry, MG MG So you'rerecommendation for the moment is to keep on MG IMail until you're ready withsomething else? MG MG Is this the right wayfor the following situation: MG Running IMailunlimited and Declude Junkmail Pro and Virus Pro. MG MG What if we've out anoffer for two other such boxes? MG Beside the problemthat we have to procure somewhere two MG v8 licenses, what about Decludelicenses? MG Should we buy 2 x JMPro and 2 x Virus Pro? MG After ?? monthswhat's your offer for switch to a standalonelicense? MG MG If it will notbe a standalone product, I expect Declude MG will support another or some othermailservers. With date MG 2004-10-26 I'm looking for a new Mailserver. But if thenew MG licenses of Declude will have the same pricing level as at the MG moment themost important point in the decision table will be: MG Is this MTA supportingDeclude? MG MG So I hope youunderstand what I mean: I realy want MG continue with Declude but at the momentwith the current MG information it's not very easy to plansomething. MG MG God I feelt exactlythis situation some months ago, and it MG was this feeling urging me to make someuncomfortable questions. MG In Germany people say: Now the shitis steaming MG MG Markus MG MG MG MG MG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry MG Simpson MG Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:01 PM MG To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MG Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS MG By now most of you will have seen the recent MG announcement by Ipswitch of their product repackaging. Like MG you, we are disappointed by their decision to effectively MG impose a price increase to their base product offerings and to MG burden existing and future customers who appreciate the advantages MG of purchasing the Declude suite of applications. MG To all our customers including the many hundreds of you MG who contacted us yesterday by phone, email, support system MG and the JunkMail and Virus lists we can assure you that MG Declude will not abandon you and we will continue to deliver and MG enhance Declude, or as one customer described it yesterday, the MG best single feature of IMail! MG We had hoped to make this announcement when we had a MG definitive delivery date but the 2 additional versions of Declude MG that will address this situation are in the development mill. MG We are not able to provide more information at the present MG time but we will keep you up-to-date with specific MG information as it becomes available. MG We thank our loyal customers and partners for their support. MG If any of you have specific questions please feel free MG to contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from
[Declude.JunkMail] Pete McNeil
Pete, Sorry for wasting band-width. I've been trying desperately to reach you via the Sniffer List, direct emails - even using my wife's Hotmail account. I'm unable to solicit any reply for quite some time. Could you please check whether you are blocking mail from my mail servers? Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[5]: CBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Jason, I've been using both Mailenable Pro and SmarterMail so I'll give my input and hope it helps. Personally I would love to see Declude in both products and it seems to be viable since both allow third party hooks (especially mailenable. sl Just looking at the screen shot for the sl SmarterTools Mail product, that doesn't look that flexible to me on sl killing spam. They say they scan viruses but can't find out how. They have per domain settings (generic) 3 different weight settings with different actions and then per user setings that can (if enabled) override the per domain. Spam tests are done on blacklists that you specify as a server admin (with a specified weight for each) and bayesean filtering. In addition to that (and I've found most of my users don't use them) they have content filtering in a seperate area so users (or domains) can setup specific content filters based on from, header, body etc. One thing I do like is that you can blacklist servers for too many errors (mailenable does the same thing), block Ip's for x minutes if they check pop too often etc. It's not as good as declude of course but if declude could plug in it would be great - allowing a nice user interface and the best spam/virus around. As far as virus scanning it's VERY basic - you have to set a delivery delay on the spool and real-time scan it with a virus scanner that can delete messages. We use trend server protect and it works ok. (again declude please...) Another cool feature of smartermail is a second (free 1domain) copy can act as a backup MX for the primary without having to duplicate domains or users. It's very basic right now but hopefully it will just get better. sl MailEnable ... they say they do MailEnable Anti-Virus and then they sl have Enhanced Anti-Spam facilities but what does that mean? Well the enhanced anti-spam is for the entire server (enterprise edition in rc does per user) it's really just blacklists and blocking IP's with too many errors. They do have plugins to use third party products like snmita and spammassasin though - definately needs declude:) Mailenable's virus scanning is nicer than SmarterMails as you call the scanner for each message in a similar way to declude now, you can also have it use multiple scanners. I have my servers using server protect then f-prot and it does a pretty good job and offloads a lot from my Imail/Declude server. In my opinion both mail servers are very nice and actively updated but Declude is what they both(and I guess all mail servers) are missing. I do have a big preference with SmarterMail over Imail or Mailenable though after using all 3 in production for some time. Alex --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Pete McNeil
Hi Pete, Send the reply below 22 minutes ago - you obviously did NOT receive it. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: Andy Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:39 PM To: 'Pete McNeil' Subject: RE: Messages / Blocking servers? Hi Pete, Here a test message. Please advise if you receive. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: Pete McNeil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Messages / Blocking servers? Hello Andy, I checked through the logs and found a bunch of messages from your address to spam@ but I did not see any in the log that were to me personally, nor the list, etc... I've left you a message on your business line with my Cell #. Please feel free to call me at any time to straighten out any problem(s) you might be having. Thanks, _M Pete McNeil (Madscientist) President, MicroNeil Research Corporation Chief SortMonster (www.sortmonster.com) --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Pete McNeil
Please give me a call on my cell (from the office message I sent) or you can call the MicroNeil line (703)779-4909. We'll get this straightened out. Sorry for the bandwidth folks. _M On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 12:01:47 AM, Andy wrote: AS Hi Pete, AS Send the reply below 22 minutes ago - you obviously did NOT receive it. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Blocking a server of yours...
Hello Andy, Here's the data about the rule. The rule has been pulled. --- Rule - 133265 Name[63.107.174.32] Created 2004-06-04 Source [63.107.174.32] Hidden false Blocked false Origin Spam Trap TypeReceivedIP Created By [EMAIL PROTECTED] Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Strength3.4768298 False Reports 1 From Users 1 Rule belongs to following groups [252] Problematic [EMAIL PROTECTED] madscientist]$ dig -x 63.107.174.32 ; DiG 9.2.1 -x 63.107.174.32 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 10718 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;32.174.107.63.in-addr.arpa.IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 32.174.107.63.in-addr.arpa. 81579 INPTR maywood-is-0003.webhost.hm-softw are.com. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 107.63.IN-ADDR.ARPA.61989 IN NS AUTH03.NS.UU.NET. 107.63.IN-ADDR.ARPA.61989 IN NS AUTH00.NS.UU.NET. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: AUTH03.NS.UU.NET. 107697 IN A 198.6.1.83 AUTH00.NS.UU.NET. 150849 IN A 198.6.1.65 ;; Query time: 24 msec ;; SERVER: 216.88.36.160#53(216.88.36.160) ;; WHEN: Tue Oct 26 23:20:01 2004 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 199 Thanks, _M Pete McNeil (Madscientist) President, MicroNeil Research Corporation Chief SortMonster (www.sortmonster.com) --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Blocking a server of yours...
Sorry about that - wrong address, long, long, long day. _M --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
