Hi,
I'm doing caching for a domain that runs its own Exchange server. This has
been working fine for some time, but it stopped working mysteriously over
the weekend. I also noticed a significant increase in outbound mail on the
daily midnight report. I do not know whether these itesm are
Here's some food for thought for Scott:
Several on the list have suggested that Declude adapt to run with other mail servers
in addition to Imail.
Of course, as Imail servers start getting replaced, it is very unlikely everyone will
choose the same replacement MTA. More than likely, the Imail
What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS?
I'll bet that the core MTA in ICS is identical to Imail -- probably 99% of
the same SMTP code.
Unless the Spool folder, file name structure and ability to call your own
SMTP32D transport is removed, I'll bet that it works.
Has
Hi,
Perhaps the time has arrived for the folks at Computerized Horizons to
release their own full blown MTA... grin
Add my vote, too!
WebMail, POP, IMAP and SMTP. No need for the rest of it, IMHO. I have
calendaring turned off, and I do not want to get involved with instant
messaging
What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS?
Nothing. I'm pretty sure that ICS has not very much new tecnology inside -
it's only the package and the price that differ.
Has anyone downloaded a version and tested?
If I get a chance I'll DL and test in Virtual PC.
[Replying to several posts here]
Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server?
It sounds like a great idea, but it would also be a huge undertaking. By
the time we had something ready, it could be too late.
What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch ICS?
It almost
scott, it is never too late and i think your are right with the 90% of
your customers.
marc
At 13:09 26.10.2004, you wrote:
[Replying to several posts here]
Here's a thought - what about a Declude mail server?
It sounds like a great idea, but it would also be a huge undertaking. By
the
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 04:46:50 -0400, Mark E. Smith wrote:
What makes everyone think that Declude won't work with Ipswitch
ICS? I'll bet that the core MTA in ICS is identical to Imail --
probably 99% of the same SMTP code.
Unless the Spool folder, file name structure and ability to call
your
The reason it is called BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST is just that. Bounce only if you
MUST and be aware of what you are doing.
So what do you recommend to help avoid losing false-positives while still
catching the crap?
We all know that people will get false positives. How it is handled after
that is
1 in 500,000? That's fantastic. I think that qualifies for the anti-spam
guru of the week award!
I'll investigate what you discussed and see how we can best apply the same
strategies to what we're doing.
Thanks!
At 10:59 AM 10/25/2004, you wrote:
For reviewing held mail I use a win2003 box
Markus,
RE:
IPSwitch's strategy urges me to completely ignore this
product. They should see, that offending customers this way
is absolutely not acceptable.
First voices on the imail list are confirming my expectation
that ICS is neither comparable with Exchange.
I agree 100% with you.
I
Re: using MS SMTP.
I believe that Scott addressed this once before but I'll take a shot at it.
If memory serves me correctly, I think the problem with MS SMTP is that
there isn't an easy way to shim declude between the SMTP listener service
and the MTA.
Remember that in Imail the SMTP service
I have downloaded and installed the ICS on a test machine and everything
installs separately and adds separate menu folders for Imail, IM and
Workgroupshare
The Imail component is just Imail 8.13 I couldnt find one thing that was
different in it.
I do not see any component integration aside
Is it totally out of the question to develop a hook in for a Win32 build of
sendmail/postfix? I for one would prefer to be free of yet another corporation on the
dumb MTA side of things, and just trust Declude to do all the hard stuff.
-Chase
Chase Seibert | Network and Systems
Hi David:
I just upgraded one Imail server to 8.1 about 4 weeks ago and bought a
service contract for the other.
Questions:
- What are the specific changes in Imail 9 vs. Imail 8.1 (I don't use and
need any of the collaboration features that have been added in the past
years.) I looked at your
MS SMTP has what is called Event Sink hook, where a hook can be registered
and therefore called when a message is received.
John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Correct - ORF is using various event sinks to do REAL connection time checks
(!) as well as content checking AFTER message receipt
(http://www.vamsoft.com/orf/).
I'd love to see Declude and Sniffer ported to that environment...
But, I agree - I would also go for a sendmail port for Windows. I
1 in 500,000? That's fantastic. I think that qualifies for the anti-spam
guru of the week award!
heh, that is no exageration either, it is mainly due to spending alot of
time in looking at false positives and finding ways to prevent them. For
example use filtering to look for legit mail, the
I would recommend that all contract owners call Ipswith to voice their
concerns.
I told them that we've paid for 4 professional contracts which were supposed
to get us support, fixes, AND major upgrades.
Considering we've never called for support, and now that they've decided to
discontinue Imail,
I have created an external test that checks the
subject for obfuscated subjects based on a filter file.
It is available at: http://it.farmprogress.com/declude/declude.htm
I have also updated my external test for
Subject Case to better decode the subject and to handle skip if weight
I would recommend that all contract owners call Ipswitch to voice their
concerns. I told them that we've paid for 4 professional contracts which
were supposed to get us support, fixes, AND major upgrades. Considering
we've never called for support, and now that they've decided to discontinue
MS SMTP has what is called Event Sink hook, where a hook can be
registered and therefore called when a message is received.
And I have an MS SMTP event sink that calls Sniffer and SPAMC32. I'm
working on integrating Declude's SUBJECT, WARN, HOLD, and DELETE
actions (though probably
On 26 Oct 2004 at 10:43, Scott Fisher wrote:
Nice job!
Business as usual - back to spam busting..
-Nick
I have created an external test that checks the subject for
obfuscated subjects based on a filter file.
It is available at: http://it.farmprogress.com/declude/declude.htm
I have also
By now
most of you will have seen the recent announcement by Ipswitch of their product
repackaging. Like you, we are disappointed by their decision to effectively
impose a price increase to their base product offerings and to burden existing
and future customers who appreciate the
Hi Barry,
So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail
until you're ready with something else?
Is this the right way for the following
situation:
Running IMail unlimited and Declude Junkmail Pro and Virus
Pro.
What if we've out an offer for two other such boxes?
Beside
Sounds like a class action lawsuit to me. Anyone have any legal experience? Let's
spank 'um!
-- Original Message --
From: Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:48:50 -0400
I would recommend that all
What
SMTP field does the MAILFROM filter search look at?
I
thought it was the MAILFROMSMTP field but sometimes I think it reads the
REPLYTO SMTP Field.
Yeah and we all get $10.00 in coupons good for an Ipswitch product. :)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evans Martin
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipswitch/Imail...
Marcus,
We recognized early on that relying on one
email partner would be a mistake. To that end we had started this new
development prior to any knowledge of the recent Ipswitch announcement.
Our immediate goal is to produce a gateway
version of Declude that will be downloadable and
Markus Gufler wrote:
So you're recommendation for the moment is to keep on IMail until
you're ready with something else?
That's really the most common sense approach, isn't it?
There's been an almost hysterical reaction to the ICS announcement.
People have right to be angry disappointed over
this are good news :-)
thanks
Markus
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry
SimpsonSent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:02 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]
Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Marcus,
We recognized
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry
SimpsonSent: 26. oktober 2004 20:02To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]
Declude and Ipswitch ICS
Our immediate goal is
to produce a gateway version of Declude that will
Andy,
Let me add my 2 cents about MS SMTP and expose some of my thought
process on related things.
We also use ORF, but only for address validation during the SMTP
connection, although we could also selectively blacklist with it if we
wanted to, and probably would sometime in the future. What
Barry Simpson wrote:
Our
immediate goal is to produce a gateway
version of Declude that will be downloadable and work within the
Windows
environment.
Barry, that's the first time that someone from your company has even
indicated an OS that you are working on, and this is
There's been an almost hysterical reaction to the ICS announcement.
...
Yes I know that my server will not stop working a certain day only because
the SA expires.
But what if there will happen something like a new MS Update that I must
implement but will kill imail functionality. You know
What SMTP field does the MAILFROM filter search look at?
I thought it was the MAILFROM SMTP field but sometimes I think it reads
the REPLYTO SMTP Field.
It looks at the SMTP MAIL FROM command. Declude never looks at the
Reply-To: header.
There may not be show stopper bug right now but what if a vunrability is
discovered. IPSwitch will not necessarly create the patch for an older
version. They may say update to ICS it does not have the vunrability???
I do not expect all IMail installations to dump IMail because of this but
many of
if you place these files in hold somewhere, it would be difficult to
read them.
You don't hold the files in MS' queue format, you hold them in RFC 822
raw, which then can be dropped into the pickup directory as desired.
it is impracticable to pass this information to an external
Hi Matt:
I also plan to take a wait and see approach before deciding which software
will replace Imail.
CH will offer a standalone gateway product, which is neat - but it doesn't
address the need to have to find a new POP/IMAP/HTTPmail server at some
point in the future. If CH will eventually
Sanford Whiteman wrote:
Personally, I have no interest in a "Declude mail server".
I certainly agree with you there! MS SMTP is so powerful that it's
amazing that MS "gives" it away.
Shh! The next thing you know it will cost $6,000 to upgrade that
as well :)
As far as a new mail server platform goes, it will be necessary for us
to have something that allows you to block all non-AUTH connections and
only allow specific IP addresses. We need to make sure that spammers
don't bypass the gateway and do direct delivery. IMail is currently
incapable of
That is exactly the point, and in my experience with Ipswitch when a fix is
found they just ask to upgrade to their newest version rather than updating
their older releases.
Now this worked fine for us in the old days (i.e. prior to ICS).
So let us assume that in February 2005 I have a 1) valid
I am looking at creating our own email archiving solution using sql, the
main hurdle is how to handle and email sent to a user using BCC. Is there a
way to use Declude to include that info in a recipient x-header?
If I send myself using only the BCC field the header contains only this
From:
I just tested Smartermail in lab, used their migration utility (migrated
from a test imail install) and worked well, mailboxes were cipied along with
users, aliases etc.
We have been using Mailenable for a while now for some customers, works well
but they are all low usage so I dont know how
Hey PV,
Thanks for the feedback.
My issue on changing - just like everyone else here - is that Declude
Junk/Virus is doing great for us and then moving to a new mail server
and just hoping it will work as they (the new vendor) say it will
... I don't believe it. Just looking at the screen
Rick,
This information is in the Q* file. If you use the COPYFILE action, it
will keep both the D* and the Q* file. The only issue is that the
Declude headers are lost and each message is kept separately and not
viewable without a special application like spamreview. IMO, this is
Thank you. That is excellent commentary and shows a reality
centered focus on the issues at hand.
--
Roger Heath
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.rleeheath.com
- Copy of Original Message(s): -
sl So... I saw this link on the Ipswitch forums and it's a good read - I
sl don't think it's been
For us this may be a blessing in disguise. I purchased a SA last Friday the
22nd and I am glad I did. Anyway as an ISP we have been thinking of
changing our mail system anyway. Declude does need to look at a gateway
type of product. We have been seriously looking into something like
Barracuda
No question that the built in spam and av protection for smartertools is
no-where close to Declude.
Their antispam is made of blacklists (you can add your own as well) and
bayesian which I really like, but that's it. The end user interfacefor spam
managemanet is really neat though.
I am still
On Tuesday, October 26, 2004, 8:25:58 PM, Mailing wrote:
ML No question that the built in spam and av protection for smartertools is
ML no-where close to Declude.
ML Their antispam is made of blacklists (you can add your own as well) and
ML bayesian which I really like, but that's it. The end
Thanks for sharing this with us, Markus. This was the best news
of the day regarding Imail or transitioning from Imail.
--
Roger Heath
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.rleeheath.com
- Copy of Original Message(s): -
MG this are good news :-)
MG
MG thanks
MG Markus
MG
MG
MG From:
Pete,
Sorry for wasting band-width.
I've been trying desperately to reach you via the Sniffer List, direct
emails - even using my wife's Hotmail account.
I'm unable to solicit any reply for quite some time. Could you please check
whether you are blocking mail from my mail servers?
Best
Jason,
I've been using both Mailenable Pro and SmarterMail so I'll give my input
and hope it helps.
Personally I would love to see Declude in both products and it seems
to be viable since both allow third party hooks (especially
mailenable.
sl Just looking at the screen shot for the
sl
Hi Pete,
Send the reply below 22 minutes ago - you obviously did NOT receive it.
Best Regards
Andy Schmidt
Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206
-Original Message-
From: Andy Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:39 PM
To:
Please give me a call on my cell (from the office message I sent) or
you can call the MicroNeil line (703)779-4909. We'll get this
straightened out.
Sorry for the bandwidth folks.
_M
On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, 12:01:47 AM, Andy wrote:
AS Hi Pete,
AS Send the reply below 22 minutes ago
Hello Andy,
Here's the data about the rule.
The rule has been pulled.
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Name[63.107.174.32]
Created 2004-06-04
Source [63.107.174.32]
Hidden false
Blocked false
Origin Spam Trap
TypeReceivedIP
Created By [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Owner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry about that - wrong address, long, long, long day.
_M
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