Re: [Emc-users] Power and data cables for CNC

2012-05-22 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 05/21/2012 09:15 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Rafael Skodlar wrote: On 05/20/2012 12:12 PM, Dave wrote: On 5/20/2012 12:40 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: I wonder what kind of power and data cables would you recommend for use in X-Y-Z CNC about 1.2mx1m size? Besides power, it's not clear to me how

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 21 May 2012 18:04:53 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I never use the H-number, it is only useful for applying the offset of It may be not useful in LinuxCNC but I guarentee you 90% + of the mill programs in the world use it (Fanuc has to have it) also the Dxx If you omit the D on Fanuc no offset

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 May 2012 02:04, Terry Christophersen tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: I never use the H-number, it is only useful for applying the offset of It may be not useful in LinuxCNC but I guarentee you 90% + of the mill programs in the world use it Well, yes, but we are using LinuxCNC. -- atp If you

Re: [Emc-users] Power and data cables for CNC

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 May 2012 07:53, Rafael Skodlar ra...@linwin.com wrote: Using Cat-5 was a surprise to me as it's a bit stiff unless each wire is made of even smaller wires, not common in general use. There is solid stranded for fixed installation and stranded for patch cables.

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Mark Wendt
On 05/21/2012 04:40 PM, dave wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:27:06 -0400 N. Christopher Perryn_christopher_pe...@me.com wrote: When money is no object I love the toolchanger! N. Christopher Perry On May 21, 2012, at 13:24, Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] Power and data cables for CNC

2012-05-22 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 05:25:01 AM Rafael Skodlar did opine: On 05/21/2012 09:15 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Rafael Skodlar wrote: On 05/20/2012 12:12 PM, Dave wrote: On 5/20/2012 12:40 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: I wonder what kind of power and data cables would you recommend for use in

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 05:38:32 AM andy pugh did opine: On 22 May 2012 02:04, Terry Christophersen tcninj...@yahoo.com wrote: I never use the H-number, it is only useful for applying the offset of It may be not useful in LinuxCNC but I guarentee you 90% + of the mill programs in the

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Dave Caroline
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On 05/21/2012 04:40 PM, dave wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:27:06 -0400 N. Christopher Perryn_christopher_pe...@me.com  wrote: When money is no object  I love the toolchanger! N. Christopher Perry On May 21,

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Mark Wendt
On 05/22/2012 06:23 AM, Dave Caroline wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On 05/21/2012 04:40 PM, dave wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:27:06 -0400 N. Christopher Perryn_christopher_pe...@me.comwrote: When money is no

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread John Thornton
Why does it matter how other controls work? John On 5/21/2012 8:04 PM, Terry Christophersen wrote: I never use the H-number, it is only useful for applying the offset of It may be not useful in LinuxCNC but I guarentee you 90% + of the mill programs in the world use it (Fanuc has to have it)

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 07:31:28 AM Mark Wendt did opine: On 05/22/2012 06:23 AM, Dave Caroline wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: On 05/21/2012 04:40 PM, dave wrote: On Mon, 21 May 2012 14:27:06 -0400 N. Christopher

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread charles green
the h number is also useful for code that is explicit. implicit and default treatments are the typical haunts of misbehavior and error. application of ambiguity to machine control command articles may be some kind of requirement for thinking machines. automating a defined, standardized

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 07:39:37 AM John Thornton did opine: Why does it matter how other controls work? John So you don't have to totally retrain a new hire? Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Mark Wendt
On 05/22/2012 07:38 AM, gene heskett wrote: I'd give my left you-know-what for a shop that size. Left? Heck, I'd offer both, I've been disarmed for 40 years, and diabetes has fixed the other so they aren't doing me any good. I'd hang a name on my shed, but there's not enough flat

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/22 John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com: Why does it matter how other controls work? Not to reinvent the wheel and learn from existing examples of good solutions to some problems. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 May 2012 11:30, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: I'd give my left you-know-what for a shop that size. It would be difficult to keep warm enough to work in. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread charles green
reducing the rtfm overhead would be a nice break also. --- On Tue, 5/22/12, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 4:40 AM On Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 07:55:32 AM Mark Wendt did opine: On 05/22/2012 07:38 AM, gene heskett wrote: I'd give my left you-know-what for a shop that size. Left? Heck, I'd offer both, I've been disarmed for 40 years, and diabetes has fixed the other so they aren't doing me any good.

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Mark Wendt
On 05/22/2012 07:52 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 22 May 2012 11:30, Mark Wendtmark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: I'd give my left you-know-what for a shop that size. It would be difficult to keep warm enough to work in. I think I might manage to find a way. ;-) Mark

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Mark Wendt
On 05/22/2012 07:56 AM, gene heskett wrote: Cheers, Gene Gene, The left was just the starting point for negotiations. You never wanna give away to much at the start. Mark Chuckle. A momentary lapse of memory is all I can plead though. :) Cheers, Gene You're

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 07:57:20 AM andy pugh did opine: On 22 May 2012 11:30, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: I'd give my left you-know-what for a shop that size. It would be difficult to keep warm enough to work in. Which is why I do woodwork in the garage, its better

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Terry, I am strongly suspecting that it has something to do with named external subroutines. I have used coordinate systems (G54-59, G10 L2, etc.) extensively in the past without any problems. This is the first time I have used the tool table for X, Y, etc. offsets, but the problems I am

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread charles green
a whole robot to swap tools: the prelude to an opera of the waking maintenace nightmare. --- On Tue, 5/22/12, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012,

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 21 May 2012 20:51, Eric H. Johnson ejohn...@camalytics.com wrote: Per the Setting Coordinate Systems thread, I converted from using coordinate systems (G54-G59.3) and setting the offsets with G10 L2, to using the offsets specified in the tool table. Mostly it worked without a problem. The

Re: [Emc-users] Tool Offsets

2012-05-22 Thread John Thornton
I agree it is good to learn from other control systems but the wheel is reinvented every day with a better wheel. If not we would still be driving Model A's in any color you like as long as it is black. I did a brake job on my van yesterday and the rear calipers were strange and different than

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread John Kasunich
It can be (and has been) done. You probably will need to keep the encoders on the motors, unless your ballscrews and the rest of the drivetrain is very tight and backlash free. The trick is to use the motor encoders for the P and D parts of the PID loop, for stability, and use the linear scales

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread Claude Froidevaux
Glass scale is THE solution for really high precision. (this remove ball screws geometric error, as well as mostly all flexure error). Unfortunately, it is usually not possible to get a good servo loop with the linear glass directly, thus an encoder on the motor is still needed (mostly to have

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for positionfeedback

2012-05-22 Thread Steve Stallings
PID control loops are math function implementations that assume no discontinuities or delays in the feedback path, which includes the mechanical parts. Backlash causes discontinuity and will cause the PID to over-respond during the backlash interval. This can be tamed somewhat by reducing gain,

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread dave
On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:43:33 + erik.555.gr...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any major dis-advantages to using glass scales as position feedback for a servo system versus using encoders directly attached to the motors. I could see where backlash might be an issue but if using precision

Re: [Emc-users] Power and data cables for CNC

2012-05-22 Thread Jon Elson
Rafael Skodlar wrote: Thank you very much for detailed advice to all of you that responded to my question. I received enough material to spend a few evenings doing my homework. It's much easier to start knowing what others have tried and what works in different circumstances. Using

Re: [Emc-users] Power and data cables for CNC

2012-05-22 Thread Dave
On 5/22/2012 12:07 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Rafael Skodlar wrote: Thank you very much for detailed advice to all of you that responded to my question. I received enough material to spend a few evenings doing my homework. It's much easier to start knowing what others have tried and what

[Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 22 May 2012 15:51, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote: It can be (and has been) done. You probably will need to keep the encoders on the motors, unless your ballscrews and the rest of the drivetrain is very tight and backlash free. The trick is to use the motor encoders for the P

[Emc-users] Need Help from U.S. Users Companies - APT (Automatically Programmed Tools)

2012-05-22 Thread Matt Shaver
Dear Linuxcnc Users, I've been talking with a gentleman from NASA who worked on the last version of APT (APT 4 SSX 8) developed with public funding, about releasing the code for everyone's use and education. After some searching, a copy of this has been found. This program is written in Fortran

[Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Andrew
Hi everyone, I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe slots (SSD and wifi if necessary) and built-in PSU!

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/5/22 Andrew parallel.kinemat...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 May 2012 15:01, Claude Froidevaux men...@bluewin.ch wrote: Basically, the concept is to use the motor encoder for high frequency information (Derivative term of the PID), and the glass scale for the Integrator term. Things start to get complex for the P term.. it may be a mix of both,

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread dave
On Tue, 22 May 2012 18:39:05 +0200 Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2012 15:51, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote: It can be (and has been) done. You probably will need to keep the encoders on the motors, unless your ballscrews and the rest of the

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread Chris Radek
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 07:22:37PM +0100, andy pugh wrote: It has just occurred to me that it might be possible to combine tacho and command voltages completely in the analogue domain for these machines? Isn't this exactly what velocity mode servo amps do?

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 May 2012 19:28, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: It has just occurred to me that it might be possible to combine tacho and command voltages completely in the analogue domain for these machines? Isn't this exactly what velocity mode servo amps do? Almost certainly. But I just

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Dave
On 5/22/2012 1:10 PM, Andrew wrote: Hi everyone, I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT header, two miniPCIe slots (SSD and

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Mike Bennett
With all those big motors and hot chips flying off, keeping it cool might be a bigger issue! On 22 May 2012, at 12:52, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 May 2012 11:30, Mark Wendt mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: I'd give my left you-know-what for a shop that size. It would be

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread Jack Coats
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:07 AM, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: a whole robot to swap tools:  the prelude to an opera of the waking maintenace nightmare. Yep, that's right. ... Welcome to the wonderful world of high-$$ machines, where waiting for the maintenance guy costs more than

Re: [Emc-users] Power and data cables for CNC

2012-05-22 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 04:36:53 PM Jon Elson did opine: Rafael Skodlar wrote: Thank you very much for detailed advice to all of you that responded to my question. I received enough material to spend a few evenings doing my homework. It's much easier to start knowing what others have

Re: [Emc-users] OT : large cnc

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 May 2012 21:33, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:07 AM, charles green xxzzb...@yahoo.com wrote: a whole robot to swap tools:  the prelude to an opera of the waking maintenace nightmare. In the video it gets perilously close to smacking an expensive bit of live

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/22/2012 2:43 PM, Dave wrote: On 5/22/2012 1:10 PM, Andrew wrote: Hi everyone, I just ran into Intel DN2800MT mini-ITX motherboard. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html It has HDMI, LVDS (can be useful for LCD panels), LPT

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 May 2012 22:17, Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote: While Ubuntu Linux 10.04 can be installed, functionality is limited and hardware graphics acceleration does not work. Because there are no drivers for the PowerVR graphics chip, the OS uses the generic VESA driver for X.org,

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Eric Keller
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:19 PM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: Software-OpenGL and Vesa graphics are both common suggestions for reducing latency problems, so that might actually be a plus for us, especially if the problems make them very cheap :-) That's what I was thinking, although

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 5/22/2012 5:19 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 22 May 2012 22:17, Kent A. Reedkentallanr...@gmail.com wrote: While Ubuntu Linux 10.04 can be installed, functionality is limited and hardware graphics acceleration does not work. Because there are no drivers for the PowerVR graphics chip, the OS

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for positionfeedback

2012-05-22 Thread RogerN
I have a lathe and mill that I bought with Anilam controls, they get position from the Anilam DRO scales. The servos use tachometer feedback to the drive and the scales are connected to the control. These are stable even with backlash, I'm not saying backlash is good, just that the backlash

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Dave
On 5/22/2012 5:51 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: On 5/22/2012 5:19 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 22 May 2012 22:17, Kent A. Reedkentallanr...@gmail.com wrote: While Ubuntu Linux 10.04 can be installed, functionality is limited and hardware graphics acceleration does not work. Because there

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Yishin Li
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote: PCIe slot is suitable for 6i25, which is probably very new, it's even not in MESA's price list, I guess the price is compatible to 5i25's. Is there a PCIe-to-PCI adapter available? Anyone tested the latency?

Re: [Emc-users] Need Help from U.S. Users Companies - APT (Automatically Programmed Tools)

2012-05-22 Thread Jon Elson
Matt Shaver wrote: I would also be interested in hearing from any people with experience in Fortran who would be interested in helping port this code to the Linux platform. If you could indicate your level of Fortran experience and any reasons for your interest in this code, that would be

Re: [Emc-users] Servo system and glass encoder scales for position feedback

2012-05-22 Thread Jon Elson
Roland Jollivet wrote: Does this mean you can use lower resolution encoders on the motor, or should they be similar? If you had 1um resolution on the fixed linear scale, what linear resolution should the rotary encoder yield? It would probably be best if the rotary encoders had quite a

Re: [Emc-users] Need Help from U.S. Users Companies - APT (Automatically Programmed Tools)

2012-05-22 Thread dave
On Tue, 22 May 2012 21:44:23 -0500 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Matt Shaver wrote: I would also be interested in hearing from any people with experience in Fortran who would be interested in helping port this code to the Linux platform. If you could indicate your level of

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Greg Bernard
Yishin- Do you actually have the Beaglebone running LinuxCNC? I know Jon Elson has been waiting for a very long time for someone to write an RTAI kernel for that platform.   +++ We are like tenant farmers chopping down

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Yishin Li
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Greg Bernard yankeelena2...@yahoo.comwrote: Yishin- Do you actually have the Beaglebone running LinuxCNC? I know Jon Elson has been waiting for a very long time for someone to write an RTAI kernel for that platform. Greg, Yes, we have LinuxCNC running with

Re: [Emc-users] Need Help from U.S. Users Companies - APT (Automatically Programmed Tools)

2012-05-22 Thread Dave Caroline
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Matt Shaver wrote: I would also be interested in hearing from any people with experience in Fortran who would be interested in helping port this code to the Linux platform. If you could indicate your level of Fortran

[Emc-users] G04 dwell in seconds not milliseconds?

2012-05-22 Thread Claude Zervas
Hello, Just wondering if someone might know why LinuxCNC interprets the G04 dwell command parameter as seconds instead of milliseconds? I'm fairly certain most other machines (ie Fanuc and others) interpret the P value as milliseconds. For example, the command: G04 P3000 is interpreted by most

Re: [Emc-users] Intel DN2800MT - possible new LinuxCNC star?

2012-05-22 Thread Claude Zervas
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Yishin Li y...@araisrobo.com wrote: Yes, we have LinuxCNC running with UbuntuLinux 12.04 armhf (hard-floating) on BeagleBone. ... Yishin, That is fantastic! Any chance you will release a public distribution of your port of LinuxCNC to the BeagleBone (with some