Re: AI and Hollywood

The Words of Allah ﷻ, our Lord https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2022/07/transhumanism-ii.html > On 24-Feb-2024, at 10:15 PM, John Clark wrote: > >  > After seeing how good OpenAI's program "Sora" is at creating photorealistic > video, movie maker Tyler Perry decided to cancel his plans

Re: AI and interest rates

On 02-10-2023 19:06, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:26 AM smitra wrote: _> Productivity increase due to AI has yet to materialize. Systems like ChatGPT are not all that useful for the economy_ That's because GPT-4 was only introduced a few months ago, and right now it's as

Re: AI and interest rates

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 5:57 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> His [Trump's] domestic and foreign policies were better than Joey's have > been,* > Bullshit. Because of Trump's bungling during the Covid crisis at least half a million

Re: AI and interest rates

His domestic and foreign policies were better than Joey's have been, that you are giving further evidence of the non-rationality of the Dem voter-Which is Fine! Because we are now that way also!With Joey? High Inflation, Functionally Open Borders, Higher Crime. Threat of War with Russia.  Now

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On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 6:11 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> Shouldn't simply be AI, but 3D printing and perhaps, the arrival of > Drexler's nanofabricators?* I agree, AI will accelerate everything. *> If it's just AI, it'll will be

Re: AI and interest rates

Shouldn't simply be AI, but 3D printing and perhaps, the arrival of Drexler's nanofabricators? If it's just AI, it'll will be harnessed for the super rich alone, and the difference between the rich and the rest of humanity will vastly expand. An Elysium Eath.  On Monday, October 2, 2023 at

Re: AI and interest rates

Side issue on economics. Inflation only occurs when there is no Return On Investment, ROI. In Technology, and I will use Medical, if successful at all, there is an immediate, intrinsic, ROI. In this manner both Keynes and Friedman are correct! We can also achieve this via printed money aka

Re: AI and interest rates

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 9:26 AM smitra wrote: *> Productivity increase due to AI has yet to materialize. Systems > like ChatGPT are not all that useful for the economy* That's because GPT-4 was only introduced a few months ago, and right now it's as stupid as it's ever going to be. But it's

Re: AI and interest rates

Productivity increase due to AI has yet to materialize. Systems like ChatGPT are not all that useful for the economy as a whole, because if you are a manager or programmer and you earn $300,000 per year and you can now do more work per hour, you are not going to work less hours and take a pay

Re: AI Mind Reading Experiment

AI Mind Reading Experiment Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: AI takeoff speed

We as a species, need AI to design for us the machinery that helps us survive and prosper. Energy, materials, space travel, carbon abatement, medical advances that are vast.  Beyond this, if Chat_GPT5 (due out sometime?) then wants to go explore the Milky Way on His own, we should fondly, wave

Re: AI takeoff speed

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 1:49 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> An interesting comparison. But it avoids the obvious lesson. > There was a smooth evolutionary landscape leading to homo sapiens. What > happened was that homo sapiens killed off all the near competitors, * You may be right but you don't

Re: AI takeoff speed

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 01:45:41 PM EDT, John Clark wrote: "It intuitively feels like lemurs, gibbons, chimps, and homo erectus were all more or less just monkey-like things plus or minus the ability to wave sharp sticks - and then came homo sapiens, with the potential to build nukes and

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Based on simply recent happenings, I am guessing GPT5 will smack us. Simply having and using an LMM maybe be Impactful on us, enough. The thinking of Turing & McCarthy may be a bit tepid for reality.  On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 01:45:41 PM EDT, John Clark wrote: I found a very

Re: AI and Interest rates

On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 1:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> You need land for the solar panel power farms.* As Freeman Dyson pointed out, you don't need land or even the Earth in order to get useful work out of the sun. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: AI and Interest rates

On 6/4/2023 3:30 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 7:47 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote: /> Higher productivity puts downward pressure on inflation or causes deflation. If you believe you can buy more goods in the future that you can today for your money, you will not

Re: AI and Interest rates

On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 at 16:53, John Clark wrote: > I have a theory about interest rates and I'd like to know what those who > know more about economics than I do think about it. > > When it comes to economic forecasting the generally accepted beliefs that > an economy's population has is all

Re: AI and Interest rates

Interest rates have the function of marshalling the productive resources of an economy towards pursuit of the most economically productive ends. Anything with an economic return less then prevailing interest rates isn't worth taking out a loan to invest in putting resources towards that endeavor.

Re: AI and Interest rates

On Sun, Jun 4, 2023, 12:48 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > "Buy land. They aren't making any more of it." > --- Mark Twain > But perhaps the utility and scarcity of land will diminish after the development of superhuman AI or the singularity, for any of the following reasons: - The potential to

Re: AI and Interest rates

"Buy land.  They aren't making any more of it."     --- Mark Twain On 6/3/2023 8:52 AM, John Clark wrote: I have a theory about interest rates and I'd like to know what those who know more about economics than I do think about it. When it comes to economic forecasting the generally accepted

obsession with b*s*tters [was Re: ai meets human resources?]

On Sat, Feb 04, 2023 at 02:38:49AM +, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: > Article-should i use gpt3_chatbot to write coverletters? > > Job hunt: should you use ChatGPT to write cover letters? > (welcometothejungle.com) > "Why does C get all the girls, and Java gets none?–  Because C doesn’t >

Re: ai meets human resources?

Article-should i use gpt3_chatbot to write coverletters? Job hunt: should you use ChatGPT to write cover letters? (welcometothejungle.com) "Why does C get all the girls, and Java gets none?–  Because C doesn’t treat them as objects." -Original Message- From: Tomasz Rola To:

Re: ai meets human resources?

On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 01:06:49AM +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote: > Interesting article in wired, about layouts in tech. > > So, these seem to be discerning signs of ai involvement: > [...] All right, it was a provocation by me. The said article does not contain a single word about ai, as far as I

Re: AI and social destabilization

glegroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jun 21, 2017 6:03 am Subject: Re: AI and social destabilization I completely agree with you for a change. The job-centered society is already looking silly, and will soon look like medieval superstition. I am waiting for a wave of politicians that talk about &qu

Re: AI and social destabilization

I completely agree with you for a change. The job-centered society is already looking silly, and will soon look like medieval superstition. I am waiting for a wave of politicians that talk about "destroying jobs" instead of "creating jobs", but I won't hold my breath. I think that the current

Re: AI and social destabilization

because I like walking androids. -Original Message- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 7:52 pm Subject: Re: AI and social destabilization On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 spudboy100 via Eve

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On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > The millennials, whom I interact with, Professor, believe that there will > be a Universal Basic Income (UBI) to rescue them, if they are > "dis-employed," by automation. I, of course, oppose,

Re: AI and social destabilization

, 2017 7:20 pm Subject: Re: AI and social destabilization On 170620, at 6:55 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: Will UBI triumph Can’t sell if no one is able to buy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo

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> On 170620, at 6:55 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Will UBI triumph Can’t sell if no one is able to buy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group

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Moravec <hans.p.mora...@gmail.com> To: 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 6:05 pm Subject: Re: AI and social destabilization On 170620, at 5:57 PM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: And don't get too comfo

Re: AI

@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 2:50 pm Subject: Re: AI Cupcake, I am fairly well read, in anthropology as well... that's not the issue here. You don't grasp what

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> On 170620, at 5:57 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > And don't get too comfortable because you're not one of those billionaires. > I'd guess that everyone on this list is in the top 0.002% of the world wealth > distribution. > > Brent -- You received this message

Re: AI and social destabilization

On 6/20/2017 1:10 PM, John Clark wrote: Jobs are already being lost because of the improvements in AI and it's not just unskilled workers that are in trouble. Don't think that because you're so smart a AI could never do your job better than you can so the AI revolution can't effect you

Re: AI

t's pretty damn explanatory, (or don't).  -Original Message- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:54 pm Subject: Re: AI The science of anthr

Re: AI

ature-read anthropology sometime, because it's pretty damn explanatory, (or don't). -Original Message- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12

Re: AI

un 20, 2017 03:07 AM Subject: Re: AI Dude, what's it with you and "teams"... are you some kind of social insect... channeling the hive mind? My team, your team... cupcake, the fishbowl you call thinking is about as thoughtful as a monkey biting its ass. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:

Re: AI

. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 03:07 AM Subject: Re: AI Dude, what's it with you and "

Re: AI

file tries. I'm not a betting man, but... -Original Message- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 1:55 am Subject: Re: AI No worries, not interested in

Re: AI

, but... -Original Message- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 1:55 am Subject: Re: AI No worries, not interested in anything you could possibly be cooking up in t

Re: AI

both know this goes way beyond, the Don schmuck. I don't think we'll let your team mess with us anymore. -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> To: spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 1:44 am

Re: AI

- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:33 am Subject: Re: AI Cupcake... Life... is not some kind of team spectator sport. As I said before descending down into your

Re: AI

Understandable from a wimp who won't even put his real name in the kitchen. Brent On 6/19/2017 10:24 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: And all I did originally, was to respond the insertion, by yourself, of doing a jibe at Don, when blathering about AI. But its true what Harry Truman

Re: AI

Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jun 20, 2017 12:33 am Subject: Re: AI Cupcake... Life... is not some kind of team spectator sport. As I said before descending down into your particular stupid does not app

Re: AI

we're belligerent, we win, again.   -Original Message- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 11:33 pm Subject: Re: AI Hold it right there, cupcake,

Re: AI

, again. -Original Message- From: 'cdemorse...@yahoo.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 11:33 pm Subject: Re: AI Hold it right there, cupcake, you're not drawing me i

Re: AI

o.com' via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 10:17 pm Subject: Re: AI @spudboy IMO, you listen to way too much talk radio there cupcake. In order to get a firmer grip on reality may I kindly sugges

Re: AI

erything-list@googlegroups.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 10:17 pm Subject: Re: AI @spudboy IMO, you listen to way too much talk radio there cupcake. In order to get a firmer grip on reality may I kindly suggest that you widen the

Re: AI

ent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> To: spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 09:32 PM Subject: Re: AI On 6/19/2017 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: His ideas are stupid only because you filter reality with ideolog

Re: AI

19, 2017 09:32 PM Subject: Re: AI On 6/19/2017 6:16 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: His ideas are stupid only because you filter reality with ideology. Causality goes out the window when it comes to liberal narratives, socialist th

Re: AI

hing-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 09:06 PM Subject: Re: AI On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;>everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​>​It's not Don's brains, who has more than either of u

Re: AI

because you have no "team". Brent Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> To: spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 08:26 PM Subject: Re: AI On 6/19/2017 4

Re: AI

know. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> To: spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 08:26 PM Subject: Re: AI On 6/19/2017 4:58 PM, spudboy100 via

Re: AI

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​>​ > It's not Don's brains, who has more than either of us, ​Speak for yourself!​ ​> ​ > That the Rooshians are responsible for hilly's loss, lack any evidence so > far. ​I assume "​ Rooshians

Re: AI

On 6/19/2017 4:58 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: It's not Don's brains, who has more than either of us, Don's brains have more what? Stupid ideas...I'd agree with that. it's the opposition. You guys, the antifa (see spot riot, see spot shoot!). There was now an announcement at

Re: AI

hing-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 7:19 pm Subject: Re: AI On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 , spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​ I would say that if one believes that Glad won Don the last election then that is the penultimate in e

Re: AI

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 , spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​ > I would say that if one believes that Glad won Don the last election then > that is the penultimate in excuses for a pathetic candidate and her even > more pathetic voter base. ​ Clinton got

Re: AI

ything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 06:16 PM Subject: Re: AI On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com;>everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​The voice of reason? Maybe. It's y

Re: AI

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​ > The voice of reason? Maybe. It's your shooter, your antifa rioters, and > the facts speak for themselves. ​Come on Spudboy be a good old boy and give us a hint, is a "​ antifa ​" a noun a verb

Re: AI

shooter of last weekend didn't stop us. Got anymore? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 06:03 PM Subject: Re: AI On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 , sp

Re: AI

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 , spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > who is dumber, the donald, or the women that lost to him? ​ ​That's easy, the answer is Vladimir ​'s best friend, ​ The Donald. It's Trump not Hillary ​ who thinks ​ Barack Obama was not born in

Re: AI

The voice of reason? Maybe. It's your shooter, your antifa rioters, and the facts speak for themselves. -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> To: spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2017 4:28 pm Sub

Re: AI

Better put your tinfoil hat back on. The voices are getting to you. On 6/19/2017 1:00 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Ah! I believe we haven't argued for a long time. Here's the deal, on dumbness or smartness, it remains to be seen, as Forest Gump might conclude. On the other hand

Re: AI

A rebuke from a stalinist is no rebuke at all. Comrade. -Original Message- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 18, 2017 5:53 pm Subject: Re: AI On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List

Re: AI

<everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 18, 2017 4:58 pm Subject: Re: AI Apparently it seems, spudboy is channeling the nutrition feee highly processed soundbite sized chunks of invective that passes for strategic analysis on talk radio. The reduction of the Art of public discourse to the l

Re: AI

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​>>​ ​ Yeah Obama was terrific at arming with the North Koreans and the Ayatollahs with their nuke capabilities (The ayatollahs who Obama wuv'd, do trades with the Norks). > >> ​>> ​ >> ​What the

Re: AI

256 Shades of Gray On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > I'm having my computer write a book about computer experience. It's called > "On the Line". Unfortunately it's very dull...no sex. > > Brent > > > On 6/18/2017 4:47 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >>

Re: AI

- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 18, 2017 10:25 AM Subject: Re: AI On Sun, Jun 18, 2017  spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​Yeah Obama was terrific at ar

Re: AI

Oh the AI/political comment on Don et all. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 18, 2017 10:25 AM Subject: Re: AI On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 spudboy100 via

Re: AI

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: ​> ​ > Yeah Obama was terrific at arming with the North Koreans and the > Ayatollahs with their nuke capabilities (The ayatollahs who Obama wuv'd, do > trades with the Norks). ​What the hell are you

Re: AI

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ > Artificial products come to dominate a market when the natural product is > in short supply. > They missed this one: AI will perform better as President = 2017 ​A rock​ ​would be​ a better President than Trump,

Re: AI

The "writing books" category seems a bit silly. Which books? The technical manual of a programming language? Or something like "On the Road"? And how can a non-human entity be better than humans at writing about the human experience? And even if it is, doesn't it just become a deception? Telmo.

Re: AI

On 6/17/2017 2:53 PM, John Clark wrote: A recent survey was conducted by the University of Oxford of 352 prominent AI researchers , this is the average prediction on when they think AI will outperform humans at var ​​ ious ​ tasks: Translate languages better than humans = 2024 Write high

Re: AI apocalypse

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 5:38 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:25 PM, auxon wrote: > >> >> > >> make the code immutable so even if they reproduce, they cannot evolve >> alone. Blockchain technology paves the way for this > > >

Re: AI apocalypse

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:25 PM, auxon wrote: > ​> ​ > make the code immutable so even if they reproduce, they cannot evolve > alone. Blockchain technology paves the way for this > ​That's never going to work. The guy with the more advanced AI will have more power than

Re: AI apocalypse

On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 7:25 PM, auxon wrote: > I've been working on this problem for years and years, to be able to > implement something like the 3 laws of Robotics, and make the code immutable > so even if they reproduce, they cannot evolve alone. Blockchain technology

Re: AI apocalypse

Neat idea. Good luck. Brent On 2/9/2017 10:25 AM, auxon wrote: I've been working on this problem for years and years, to be able to implement something like the 3 laws of Robotics, and make the code immutable so even if they reproduce, they cannot evolve alone. Blockchain technology paves

Re: AI apocalypse

I've been working on this problem for years and years, to be able to implement something like the 3 laws of Robotics, and make the code immutable so even if they reproduce, they cannot evolve alone. Blockchain technology paves the way for this and I incorporated as Botcoin Inc. as part of a

Re: AI apocalypse

On 05 Feb 2017, at 06:53, Brent Meeker wrote: I wonder if Bruno's theory of mind can help with this: http://www.sciencealert.com/experts-have-come-up-with-23-guidelines-to-avoid-an-ai-apocalypse I remember Marvin Minsky once said something like, "In the future there will be machines more

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 20 Sep 2014, at 6:22 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean evolution is intelligent but (probably) not conscious? The Blind Watchmaker K On 20 September 2014 03:01, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Bruno, I agree, this introduces the

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 22 September 2014 20:57, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 20 Sep 2014, at 6:22 am, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean evolution is intelligent but (probably) not conscious? The Blind Watchmaker Yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: AI Dooms Us

Dear Stephen, On 19 Sep 2014, at 17:01, Stephen Paul King wrote: Dear Bruno, I agree, this introduces the possibility that the inhibiting or activation of gene aspect is the running of the particular algorithm while the mutation and selection aspect might be seen as a process on the

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 01 Sep 2014, at 17:57, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Brent, Have you seen any studies of the Ameoba dubia that look into what their genome is expressing? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933061/ seems to suggest to me the possibility that the genome is acting as a

Re: AI Dooms Us

Dear Bruno, I agree, this introduces the possibility that the inhibiting or activation of gene aspect is the running of the particular algorithm while the mutation and selection aspect might be seen as a process on the space of algorithms. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Bruno Marchal

Re: AI Dooms Us

Does this mean evolution is intelligent but (probably) not conscious? On 20 September 2014 03:01, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Bruno, I agree, this introduces the possibility that the inhibiting or activation of gene aspect is the running of the particular

Re: AI Dooms Us

The process does seem, if we think of it this way, to be intelligent, yes. But this is a definition of intelligence that most would not consider: An intelligence is the collection of behaviors of a system that tend to increase the number of possible future states. My wording doesn't quite look

Re: AI

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: It helps in discussions like these to agree on what we're talking about, which (by definition :-) means having the same definitions I don't think so, most people would flounder if asked for a definition, even for a commonly used

Re: AI

The poiont isn't that someone can tell you the definition, the point is that when we discuss a topic we do our best to ensure we're talking about the same thing. On 9 September 2014 05:18, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: AI Dooms Us

On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 28 Aug 2014, at 13:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: Legitimacy of proof and evidence (e.g. for a set of cool algorithms

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 06 Sep 2014, at 18:56, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 4:41 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Hypatia was the deliberate target of a Christian mob incited by an ally of Cyril and she was first kidnapped and then murder in the most gruesome way by having her skin

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 05 Sep 2014, at 06:40, Stephen Paul King wrote: I agree, but I strongly suspect that one does not program an AGI, we would grow it and teach it Yes. The fact that humans have a very long childhood reflect the fact that nature get the point that children are intelligent, and

Re: AI

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:06 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: and I thought intelligence was the easy one. But yes, using the same definitions is important Except for pure mathematics definitions are rarely important, most people have never looked at a dictionary since high school and they

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 05 Sep 2014, at 22:12, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2014 11:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: According to Harvard scholars the Romans invented Christianity to keep the Jews in check: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_piso02a.htm You mean according to consipiracy

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 05 Sep 2014, at 22:41, meekerdb wrote: On 9/5/2014 12:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Sep 2014, at 19:40, meekerdb wrote: On 9/2/2014 9:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Aug 2014, at 21:04, meekerdb wrote: Bostrom says, If humanity had been sane and had our act together globally,

Re: AI Dooms Us

On 05 Sep 2014, at 23:35, LizR wrote: I don't know how you could do this in practice, but nature has proved that intelligent beings can have their behaviour towards other beings constrained in various ways. An obvious example is that we care for our children. If one could built (or

RE: AI Dooms Us

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 1:27 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us Chris: and why on Earth would you exclude the communication of plants etc

RE: AI

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 5:55 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AI 'Means' indicates something happened and you noticed it. You then either recognise

Re: AI Dooms Us

@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *John Mikes *Sent:* Saturday, September 06, 2014 1:27 PM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: AI Dooms Us Chris: and why on Earth would you exclude the communication of plants etc. from the broad meaning of language? (They don't have a blabbermouth

RE: AI Dooms Us

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Paul King Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 11:43 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us Hi Chris, Does it seem to you that there are two aspects

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Brent I could not resist the punny imitation of the (same?) word. The first meantG an explanatory - i.e. - while the second in: *I proposed the 'inter-lego' classic, *[Lat.] * meaning to read (=understand **act out, apply, etc.) the meanings BETWEEN the exactly worded lines

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On 8 September 2014 04:59, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:06 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: and I thought intelligence was the easy one. But yes, using the same definitions is important Except for pure mathematics definitions are rarely important, most

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