[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundies on the wane
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is great about this news is that it is so mundane, and run of the mill obvious, for a long time since, that it took a great deal of energy for me to even comment in this irrelevant and pussingrate way that I am doing. Thanks ! OffWorld (growing old waitin' fer y'all) The long (10-page) NYT story on fundie politics: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/magazine/28Evangelicals-t.html --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://www.slate.com/id/2176782/ Best Political Coverage The New York Times Magazine takes a look at how the evangelical voting bloc is beginning to unravel. Once the most cohesive group in Americacredited with Bush's re-electionevangelical leadership is now split along generational and theological lines. All told, the group's disarray looks very good for Democrats and very bad for Republicans in 2008.J.L. Best Obituary The Economist looks back at the life of Lucky Dube, a clean- living Rastafarian who sang anti-apartheid reggae during the worst of the regime in South Africa. Dube was shot by carjackers in front of his children in October.M.S. Best Cocktail-Party Factoid The New York Review of Books reveals that, in his early years, Joseph Stalin went through forty different names, nicknames, bylines, and aliases at various times, which only barely exceeds the number of his professions: revolutionary, bank robber, gangster, singer, poet, womanizer, pedophile.G.H.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Various myths dispelled about Bubba
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: Suddenly the woman became a little uncomfortable and blushed. I'm sorry, she said, I shouldn't really be discussing all of this with you. I don't even know your name. Tonto, the man said, Tonto Goldstein, but my friends call me Bubba. Another little cocktail party factoid. Tonto, in spanish I believe means stupid, or something to that effect. America chauvinism on display. How far we have fallen. History has shown that countries who substitute military might for economic might begin their decline. What do we export? Planes, some technology, arms. Agricultural products also. Ghetto slum culture through rap music polluting half the world is one example. Markedforces and agressive capitalism (soon to go) another.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Invincible Donovan University
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm?id=1711292007 All of this is in keeping with MMY's chief ambition in the world and that is to create heaven on earth thru social/institutional reformation, why be surprised anymore? MMY isn't a personal Guru and he didn't come to the west to personally liberate you or me! He's got bigger fish to fry. Some Yogis have Macrocosmic missions (World teachers and reformers like MMY)and others have Microcosmic missions (personal Gurus). Why be bent out of shape on this matter, this has been his MO all along, even Charlie said as much, his mission was to reform India.when he grumbled against the 'Britishers' and the west that should have been a clue as to MMY's main ambition in the World, (i.e. return to Vedic India).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding Edge's Remarks on Proud to be a Whiner!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Bronte, did you miss my post David Icke - the verdict from a week ago? Perhaps it's worth the effort to find it as it might shed a bit of light on DI and his thought processes, all my own opinions of course but I'd be interested to see if you agree with me on any of it. I have a good reading suggestion for you as well, which will give you a different perspective on life for sure. I think we ARE shell-shocked. We are in denial. When someone moves past confusion that into a radical understanding or solution, they are hooted down as crazy or anti-American. David Icke, for example. Here's a guy who has connected all the dots in a brilliant way that deserves real consideration, but all you have to do is MENTION that name to get branded as (quoting a former friend) a bug-eyed cult zombie. People are scared to think outside the box, because of the implications. Things are so seriously cockeyed and wrong, that even to peak over the edge of the box is practically terrifying. Better to pretend things are fine, have friendly debates about what political candidate will save America, and totally disregard the problems that go so deep no phony political system can ever address them. We have a two-party system? The people elect the president? Our last election proved both concepts to be illusions. Two presidential candidates, from opposite parties, who never knew each other at their shared alma mater, Yale, though they were just a year apart and in the same elite Yale secret society! The electoral college decides who gets elected, not the people. Democracy is an illusion and has been for a long time. How is it we miss that? For one thing, because we're told how free we are, by the very people who run the show for us. Because they give us a two-party system that allows only the people who are one of them to make it to the top, filtering out all genuine people as candidates long before the time of the national vote. Keep 'em busy arguing over who's better, Obama or Hillary, and do whatever you like behind the scenes to tighten the snare a little more around freedom, because, who's really watching? The press ideofies anyone with intelligent criticism -- Icke for example again. Embarrass him on national television, twist his words and get everyone laughing at him, and no one will hear the little voice of a man who saw through deceptions no one else was sharp enough to question. You are right to be outraged. You have great integrity. Keep shoving it in our face, and eventually the very discomfort of that has to wake people up. It's not a popular position, but a heroic one. Such outcries are our only hope. You go, Edg. - Bronte -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: It takes a thorn to remove a thorn. I'm going to re-post below my early essay about true evil in the world. This essay got exactly zero thread comments, yet in it I wave a flag of desperation for today's downtrodden. I think it is an example of important whining that has conceptual clout and deserves to be repeated endlessly until the situation is rectified. In it I present one of the most repugnant concepts I've ever put into words here, but not a single person here reacted. How to interpret this silence? I think most of us are shell shocked -- too banged up to care about the injustices of the world -- merely treading the water lost in a sea of political impotency. I could have written the essay as a sugary sweet cheerleading for the love-virtues that need to be supported in the culture's consciousness, but I doubt that such an essay would have gotten any responses here either. In fact, I've posted MANY wonderfully sweet tales and poems and cool ideas, but I've gotten flamed here more often than patted on the back. My karma, but, so too has everyone here posted unrequitedly about their POVs. When it comes to neighborliness, we're in short supply. I don't need pats on the back cuz I do that for myself far better than anyone here could, cuz I am a good writer/narcissist with a jyotish chart to prove it, but geeze I keep coming here and posting what I consider to be emotionally involving, well presented, POVs about core truths of life, and, like everyone here attempting the same kind of community scholarship, flames or zilch is the common reward instead of, you know, a group discussion storming inside our heads for days with ever fractaling nuances as we move to unity of opinion. Whew, wouldn't that be something new for us here!!! Okay, here's that post. You tell me: is it mere whining or a standing up for cultural improvement? Edg Are you for war? I think this upcoming vote is a critical taking of America's
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM in Breakfast of Champions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From LB Shriver, post #5441: Joe and my own initiator, Charlie Donohue, were buddies from the East Coast. At the time I was initiated, Charlie was the Midwest Coordinator for SIMS, and Joe was the East Coast Coordinator. Coincidentally, Joe had an old girl friend in Iowa City at the time I was there. In fact, she lived in the house next door. Her name was Edie Vonnegut, and her father, novelist Kurt Vonnegut, had been on the faculty of the University's Writers' Workshop some years previously. Edie had grown up in Iowa City and had come back to attend Art School there. I was totally hot for her and helped her put up posters for the first TM course taught there, which of course was done by Charlie Donohue. I met Joe later when he came to Iowa City to teach a residence course and do some intros with Charlie. Edie was the first person I ever saw actually practicing TM. She was sitting next to me in the back seat of a car on the way to a rock concert near Madison. While she was meditating, we passed the scene of an accident on the other side of the divided highway we were taking to the concert site. Motorcycle accident. One very dead guy lying in the road. Nobody said anything, and Edie meditated straight through it. I found that interesting, for reasons I did not understand at the time. Edie told me on one occasion that before Joe became an initiator he had a reputation for being kind of wild. After he became an Initiator, she said, they often got into fights about TM while they were out on dates. Joe evidently kept telling her she needed to meditate more. In one case she was so angry that she got out of the car and walked home. Edie's whole family learned TM, as I understood the situation, including Kurt, who was briefly enthusiastic about meditation. Vonnegut is often characterized as cynical, or as a master of black humor, but you must understand about this man that while a POW in Germany, he survived the Allied bombing of Dresden in which about 135,000 civilians were killed by fire and suffocation. This was one of the most brutal acts of mass murder ever perpetrated, and it had been done by THE GOOD GUYS. Kurt's enthusiasm for TM declined in proportion to the fanaticism that he perceived in Joe and other TM people he was exposed to. Edie's brother, Mark, who had also learned TM, subsequently had an episode of schizophrenia, about which he wrote in his first book, The Eden Express. According to Edie, the last straw for Kurt in his falling out with TM was when Joe showed up at the house one day and proclaimed that Mark would not have suffered his psychotic break if he had been more regular in his meditation. Kurt threw him out of the house. Edie said that after that, whenever Kurt would get mad at the world, TM was high on the list of things he would get mad at. She said that she and Mark often talked him out of including negative things about TM in his books, although his small volume called Wompeters, Granfalloons and Foma contains evidence that they did not always succeed. snip to end I believe that Mark Vonnegut had special testing done in the mid 70's at the now closed Princeton Brain Bio Center (researching biochemical/nutritional connection to mental and physical illnesses). He was found to have pyroluria and follwed the protocol suggested (I believe large doses of B6, some manganese and evening primrose oil, and a total avoidance of copper). It worked for him, he got well and went to medical school. I think he wrote of all this in some book or article and that he is now an MD.
[FairfieldLife] Perfected Jews
Perfected into a Christian just like Ann Coulter Perfected: The Ann Coulter Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye_2a7Lrl80
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
Is is just me or did others here also breathe just a little easier when Putin said, An attack on Iran is an attack on Russia? Yeah! Sed moi -- Putin spelled it out for BushCo -- you can't just take all the oil, and Iran's is Russia's so back off. But BushCo may be insane, and this may not even created a stutter in the GlobalBiz agenda. But what Putin did do is notch up Americans' consciousness of the dire state of affairs that would ensue if BushCo goes for Iran's throat. Up until Putin, I think most Americans would have been thinking, What's the down side? Some Iranians are pissed off that we blow up their nuke making buildings? I can live with that. But after Putin, it's got to be more like, Holy shit, the Ruskies got ten thousand nukes still pointed and ready to go to downtown D.C., uptown NYC and deep in the heart of Texas. H, NOW do I want an ape in a ten gallon hat to be a decider? Putin forced us all to see the real deal just a bit clearer -- as much as BushCo loves to saber rattle, trying to scare Iran by banging on a shield just ain't a gonna happen when an Atomic Bear has its paw draped over the shoulder of Lil' Buddy Ranny. Gotta love it that GlobalBiz hasn't won the whole planet yet. Most of Asia isn't part of that, because, well, they want to do their OWN versions of Universal Corporate Domination. This is what passes for a safety factor in Kali Yuga -- multiple planet rapists at odds with each other. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was astonished to learn that in a way somewhat similar to what you've described, this resembles how Stalin was killed, for he was planning the next world war, initiated by Soviet Beast and involving nuclear attack upon 'the West' when he was ruthlessly canceled as a life form and menace to humanity. I also learned that 'very soon', a device will be invented that will make nuclear explosive devices inoperable. Oh my Brahma! I surely hope so, very soon! *I will help all beings in every way I can promptly. * * * *I will not inflict pain or misfortune on anyone through my thoughts, words or deeds. * On 10/26/07, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard a reading one time, by Ron Scalastico, where it was said, that, although the 'Higher Beings, Angels, etc.', where usually not allowed to interfere with human free will... That under certain conditions, they would be allowed to prevent a nuclear war, in that 'they' could withdraw someone's soul energy, which would put that person 'asleep'... So, this is a blessing in disquise, I would say... r.g. seattle.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding Edge's Remarks on Proud to be a Whiner!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we ARE shell-shocked. We are in denial. When someone moves past confusion that into a radical understanding or solution, they are hooted down as crazy or anti-American. David Icke, for example. Here's a guy who has connected all the dots in a brilliant way that deserves real consideration, but all you have to do is MENTION that name to get branded as (quoting a former friend) a bug-eyed cult zombie. I wouldn't brand you as a bug-eyed cult zombie, but I do think you have a problem distinguishing reality from fantasy. People are scared to think outside the box, because of the implications. Things are so seriously cockeyed and wrong, that even to peak over the edge of the box is practically terrifying. Better to pretend things are fine, have friendly debates about what political candidate will save America, and totally disregard the problems that go so deep no phony political system can ever address them. For example, if you're convinced this description fits many of the participants in FFL, you're fantasizing big-time, and you haven't been paying attention to boot. We have a two-party system? The people elect the president? Our last election proved both concepts to be illusions. Two presidential candidates, from opposite parties, who never knew each other at their shared alma mater, Yale, though they were just a year apart and in the same elite Yale secret society! FWIW: Bush and Kerry were two years apart at Yale, not one; and even just the college has thousands of students, so it's entirely possible that any two given undergraduates wouldn't know each other, especially if they were two years apart. As to Skull and Bones, members are recruited at the end of their junior year and participate only during their senior year, so Bush and Kerry would not have been active in the society at the same time. snip The electoral college decides who gets elected, not the people. Actually, the people decide who gets elected to the electoral college; they vote for the electors, not for the presidential candidates. However, each slate of electors is committed to voting for a particular presidential candidate and his or her running mate, and the ultimate voting process is quite public and really no more than a formality. The electoral college does not get together in secret to contravene the will of the people. There have been objections for many years to the fairness of the electoral college winner-take-all system, which have heated up since the 2000 election, in which Gore won the popular vote. But there are good arguments both pro and con the electoral college. Democracy is an illusion and has been for a long time. How is it we miss that? Speak for yourself; many of us don't miss the fact that there are some major problems with U.S. democracy. But there's a wide range of positions between obliviousness and advocacy of the kind of nutty conspiracy theories you and Angela are trying to promulgate. snip do whatever you like behind the scenes to tighten the snare a little more around freedom, because, who's really watching? The press ideofies anyone with intelligent criticism Ideofies? Not in my dictionary, not on the Web anywhere. Was this a typo, perhaps? If not, what does it mean? snip You are right to be outraged. You have great integrity. Keep shoving it in our face, and eventually the very discomfort of that has to wake people up. It's not a popular position, but a heroic one. Such outcries are our only hope. You go, Edg. Outrage is fine. But hysterical outrage isn't likely to interest anyone but fellow hysterics, and hysterical people are of no use to anybody (least of all themselves). I can't recommend hugheshugo's post on Icke (151820) to you too strongly. He makes some excellent points about the psychological basis of conspiracy theorizing. Angela needs to read and think about it too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Two Krishnas??
According to Capeller(sp?), the nominative dual form from kRSNa (kRSNau: two Krishnas) refers to Krishna and Arjuna. t3rinity wrote: Thats interesting and funny at the same time: According to Achinthya Bedabeda of Chaitanya (the philosophy behind the Hare Krishnas) Krishna is as well the name of the highest God, of whom Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are only (Yuga-)Avatars, and at the same time he is the special Avatar (of Vishnu) who instructed Arjuna in the Gita, one of the Dasavataras. They actually speak of two Krishnas, Actually, Achinthya Bedabeda of Chaitanya speaks of three Krishnas: there is the baby Krishna, son of Vasudeva and Devaki, the warrior Krishna, of the Bhagavad Gita, and the Krishna of Brindaban, the lover of Radha. but of course its all one. Not really. Achinthya Bedabeda philosophy of Chaitanya is a quasi-dualistic tradition - there are many declensions of Vishnu.
[FairfieldLife] Re: I think that the basic TM technique is more powerful than the advanced techn
So, most mantra meditation is TM and has been TM for centuries. The other way around: TM is just a form yogic meditation which has been taught for centuries. Richard J. Williams wrote: So, TM is yogic meditation that has been taught for centuries. Bhairitu wrote: NO. You sound confused. You said that TM is a form yogic meditation which has been taught for centuries. TM is A FORM of yogic meditation that has been taught for centuries. Yes. That's what I said. TM is a form of yogic meditation, which has been taught for centuries. The active word is FORM! TM is a form of yogic meditation, Raja Yoga, that has been taught for centuries. Patanjali mentions the TM form of yogic meditation in his Yoga Sutras - all other forms of Hindu yogic meditation came after Patanjali, circa 200 B.C. So, TM has been taught for centuries.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS) --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt whether anyone on this list will react much to this. If it had been a report connected with any Maharishi operation, the posts would have gone on for days about how corrupt and evil the TM movement is. But Amma is likely to get a pass from those here who reserve their most virulent hatred for one who was originally their benefactor. Strange, isn't it? Indeed. From Rick Archer et al there is only thundering silence when it comes to truths about Amma. (Which I question by the way) The gossip, outright lies and rumours are reserved for the Movement. It's called double standards or hypocrecy. It is backfireing on him now. Largely a matter of time, Nabsters. Too little of it to spend much on FFL. The examma group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/examma/) where Bronte is getting this stuff is for folks who just want to wallow around in their own muck. That group states in its description that “Devotee rebuttals” are not permitted. It adds that “This group is tightly moderated to maintain a safe, nurturing environment for expression and discussion,” which means that anyone attempting to rebut the accusations made there will have their posts deleted. A more balanced group is HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://groups.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where criticisms are welcome, but open discussion is allowed. Bronte might want to consider posting her stuff there. Like any enlightened person, Amma is both human and cosmic. Your humanness doesn’t disappear when your cosmic nature dawns. When I criticize things MMY has done, it doesn’t mean I don’t regard him as a mahatma. Like MMY, Amma has health problems, although her organization doesn’t try to hide them. She has diabetes, is somewhat overweight, has diminished lung capacity from a bout of viral pneumonia she got several years ago, and is in a lot of pain from the repetitive motion of hugging millions of people. She also has a human personality. Her formal education ended in the 4th grade when her parents took her out of school to become a family servant. So she’s not a refined, education Indian woman like, say, Karunamayi. She’s of a low caste and grew up in a fishing village, so her language is sometimes coarse. She’s known to have a fiery temper, although I’ve never seen it displayed in my 8 years of visiting her. Her favorite movie is “Beethoven,” about the St. Bernard dog, and when she can, she watches an Indian soap opera in which a devotee stars. Regarding accusations of corruption in her organization, there’s a lot of corruption in India. The police and politicians are always on the take. Amma has a large organization with a lot of money flowing through it and she puts a lot of time and attention into making sure that the money is handled responsibly. I’m sure there have been instances where it hasn’t been, but she does what she can to prevent those. There have been suicides in her ashram. Anyone is welcome there. Thousands live there and 10’s of thousands come and go. On several occasions, unstable people have taken their lives. The rumors of some fanatical devotees in New Delhi roughing up some people who wanted to take down their Amma signs may be true for all I know. You’ll find fanatics in any organization, but on the whole, I have found the quality of the people around Amma, especially those closest to her, to be exemplary. Weigh all the dirt you can find with the good that is done: HYPERLINK http://amma.org/humanitarian-activities/index.htmlhttp://amma.org/humanita rian-activities/index.html. Anyway, I’m not the most qualified Amma defender. I just go see her a couple of times a year, and have never been to her ashram in India. People are welcome to post what they like here, but those who really want to get into a serious discussion would probably do best to start it in HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://groups.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where they will find people much better informed than I, both pro- and anti-Amma. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 7:54 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
Good rap, Archer. I like facts and evidence. Those who accuse me of being a conspiracy nut don't know me very well. My friends, on the other hand, think I'm too much a stickler for facts and evidence. For example, I have never seen any credible evidence that there ever lived a man named Jesus, said to be the Christ. On the other hand, I have seen evidence that virgin birth, the working of miracles, and resurrection have been ascribed to many other so-called avatars. I have seen suggestive evidence that there is such a thing as reincarnation, but no compelling evidence. I have seen suggestive evidence that there might be a God, but no compelling evidence. Same with the gods, and if they do exist, they're assholes in my humble opinion. I have read the book that claims we've been bio-engineered by space aliens, and what a professional historian would say about that book is that there is no direct evidence in it. It is an interpretation of evidence, which is not the same thing as evidence, since it is very easy to give a radically different interpretation of that same evidence. The interpretation is ingenious and possible, but that is not the same as saying it is evidence. I have not read David Icke, so I can't say anything about it, but I suspect that here, too, we are dealing not so much with evidence but with interpretation of evidence; however, I shall keep an open mind about that until I have time to take a closer look---if Bush turns out to be a poisonous lizard, I certainly won't be surprised. I have seen suggestive evidence that there are space aliens, but no compelling evidence. I have seen suggestive evidence that there is life after death, but no compelling evidence. Near death experiences are interesting and suggestive, but near is no cigar. I have seen a student of mine jump to his death from a building and land right in front of my feet. I saw his form made of light jump up from his body. This is evidence of something. But one experience like that is not enough to say just what it is evidence of. I have stood on top of the mountain from which the world of things and the world of thought look like they have but one source. I have also stood on top of the mountain from which the world looks like the world of things and the world of thought can never meet completely. I suspect there are mountain ranges to explore beyond those two peaks. But I would not call any view from any mountain a fact. It is precisely what it says it it is: a view. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of direct evidence that the world of men and women is rife with conspiracies. And until you consider that evidence, calling me a conspiracy nut is just ignorant name-calling; moreover, it is evidence of the lack of education in America that I've been moaning about. My father belonged to a centuries old European ruling class family, and I was expected to marry into such a family when I came of age. I chose not to do so because I knew too much by that time about the conspiracies with which the ruling classes keep the masses in check. My sister chose the path I rejected, and I lived with her in Europe for a year. Heads of governments were regular guests in her home. And again, I saw direct evidence of what had made me reject that life in the first place. We never had dinner guests which didn't require me to be briefed politically ahead of time. a a Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt whether anyone on this list will react much to this. If it had been a report connected with any Maharishi operation, the posts would have gone on for days about how corrupt and evil the TM movement is. But Amma is likely to get a pass from those here who reserve their most virulent hatred for one who was originally their benefactor. Strange, isn't it? Indeed. From Rick Archer et al there is only thundering silence when it comes to truths about Amma. (Which I question by the way) The gossip, outright lies and rumours are reserved for the Movement. It's called double standards or hypocrecy. It is backfireing on him now. Largely a matter of time, Nabsters. Too little of it to spend much on FFL. The examma group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/examma/) where Bronte is getting this stuff is for folks who just want to wallow around in their own muck. That group states in its description that Devotee rebuttals are not permitted. It adds that This group is tightly moderated to maintain a safe, nurturing environment for expression and discussion, which means that anyone
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
I haven't seen any kids, they all look like adults to me. If you go to the sites of Maharishi's educational institutions in India you will see forms that parents or guardians have to sign acknowledging the childs participation and guranteeing their good behaviour etc. Also I see some typical American idea of superiority here thinking that somehow you are more democratic, just , the rule of law doesn't exist elsewhere blah blah its all a delusion you are not more civilised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reacting to the concept that the Pundit Kids were kidnapped, someone wrote this to me in a private email: bravo bravo... bravo... thank you... you're my new hero... signed... paranoid in fairfield (fear-field) Erp, maybe I should try to step up to this plate better. I was being poetically largish, of course, when I used this concept, but the email above braced me into thinking a bit harder about it. Were the Pundit Kids kidnapped? Of course not, but yes. Yes, if money is dangled in front of an utterly poor Hindu family that is asked to send one of its sons to America in return for, what? This is the hole in my knowledge. Are poor families being bribed into sacrificing one child for the sake of the family? How much money for a kid does the TMO pay? My guess would be: nothing -- it's enough that a family is relieved of the cost of feeding that child, and the family gets this opportunity to have a kid who might stay in America and get a job and send tons of money back to the family. With almost a billion poor families, this may be an easy scenario to sell in India. In India, harsh poverty is the norm. Get the picture? Think three times America's population -- hundreds of millions -- we're talking no running water and maybe only one light bulb for a home, and the clothes worn are the only clothes owned. We're talking sati widows sizzling on coals holding back their screams. We're talking about villages that will get a notion and end up dragging a person out of a hut and beating that person to death in front of everyone, and knowing that cops will do nothing about a religious punishment. In such a milieu, selling a kid may be considered a great benefit, a lottery won, huzzah huzzah. Who would dare discount the intensity of the desperation in the minds there? So, yeah, almost certainly, a massive kidnapping seems the most likely scenario. I mean, does any expect that Girish headed up a two hundred person team to scour India for the best, most religious families with the purest hearted sons intent on gaining a priestly education? Nope, I don't. I think they went to one town, yelled out, Anyone want to get rid of a kid? and then beat back the crowds while trying to find the families with the least wherewithal to complain about the eventual use of their child. And how are Our Holy Children of the Corn treated here? I don't know, but the little I heard was that they are severely proctored, impounded, and watched over like Guantanamo prisoners. Are these kids allowed to quit the program, find fault with the program's restrictions, write to anyone via email, have online access at all, have a beer in town, watch TV, see a woman wearing pants instead of a dress, call home anytime, have non-pundit friends, go to a party, ask a serious question, sing a popular song, smile at or make eye contact with a non-pundit, talk about the challenges of ashram life?? I'm thinking, nope, they don't gots that. The barbed wire enclosing their area -- is that really true? Hoping I'm way paranoid and that these kids have a chance to, you know, BREATHE. How much do we get to know about the TMO's money raising operations? Not much, right? I mean, these Pundit Kids could have been used in every country of the world as heart-tuggers. We seemingly raised the funds here in America to support the program, but, come on, didn't the TMO tell all the TB's in Germany to donate for that cause too? Why not get every TB enclave in the world to think that their group is the one most needing to pony up? Hey, just askin' Maybe those Pundit Kids are worth their weight in gold to Girish with a ROI of, say, 1000%? Sweaters, boots, hats and coats for the Pundit Kids? HELL FUCKING NO How about FREEDOM FOREVER? I'll tell ya, this is a great story for some national reporter to really pick up on. This could be spun into, you know, Children Held Hostage In Barbed Wire Camps In Iowa headlines. I'm just sayin'. So, somebody smack me with some good news about this, cuz right now, given my above suspicions, I'm thinking that everyone in Fairfield is like the town-folks living next door to Auschwitz. Smoke, I don't smell no smoke. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS) --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I doubt whether anyone on this list will react much to this. If it had been a report connected with any Maharishi operation, the posts would have gone on for days about how corrupt and evil the TM movement is. But Amma is likely to get a pass from those here who reserve their most virulent hatred for one who was originally their benefactor. Strange, isn't it? Indeed. From Rick Archer et al there is only thundering silence when it comes to truths about Amma. (Which I question by the way) The gossip, outright lies and rumours are reserved for the Movement. It's called double standards or hypocrecy. It is backfireing on him now. Largely a matter of time, Nabsters. Too little of it to spend much on FFL. The examma group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/examma/) where Bronte is getting this stuff is for folks who just want to wallow around in their own muck. That group states in its description that Devotee rebuttals are not permitted. It adds that This group is tightly moderated to maintain a safe, nurturing environment for expression and discussion, which means that anyone attempting to rebut the accusations made there will have their posts deleted. A more balanced group is HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://grou ps.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where criticisms are welcome, but open discussion is allowed. Bronte might want to consider posting her stuff there. Like any enlightened person, Amma is both human and cosmic. Your humanness doesn't disappear when your cosmic nature dawns. When I criticize things MMY has done, it doesn't mean I don't regard him as a mahatma. Like MMY, Amma has health problems, although her organization doesn't try to hide them. She has diabetes, is somewhat overweight, has diminished lung capacity from a bout of viral pneumonia she got several years ago, and is in a lot of pain from the repetitive motion of hugging millions of people. She also has a human personality. Her formal education ended in the 4th grade when her parents took her out of school to become a family servant. So she's not a refined, education Indian woman like, say, Karunamayi. She's of a low caste and grew up in a fishing village, so her language is sometimes coarse. She's known to have a fiery temper, although I've never seen it displayed in my 8 years of visiting her. Her favorite movie is Beethoven, about the St. Bernard dog, and when she can, she watches an Indian soap opera in which a devotee stars. Regarding accusations of corruption in her organization, there's a lot of corruption in India. The police and politicians are always on the take. Amma has a large organization with a lot of money flowing through it and she puts a lot of time and attention into making sure that the money is handled responsibly. I'm sure there have been instances where it hasn't been, but she does what she can to prevent those. There have been suicides in her ashram. Anyone is welcome there. Thousands live there and 10's of thousands come and go. On several occasions, unstable people have taken their lives. The rumors of some fanatical devotees in New Delhi roughing up some people who wanted to take down their Amma signs may be true for all I know. You'll find fanatics in any organization, but on the whole, I have found the quality of the people around Amma, especially those closest to her, to be exemplary. Weigh all the dirt you can find with the good that is done: HYPERLINK http://amma.org/humanitarian- activities/index.htmlhttp://amma.org/humanita rian-activities/index.html. Anyway, I'm not the most qualified Amma defender. I just go see her a couple of times a year, and have never been to her ashram in India. People are welcome to post what they like here, but those who really want to get into a serious discussion would probably do best to start it in HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://grou ps.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where they will find people much better informed than I, both pro- and anti-Amma. Balanced writings. All great masters will be furiously attacked. Personally I do not believe in any of the stuff written about Amma, Sai Baba, Muktananda and others. The irony here Rick is that the rumours you are famous for spreading about Maharishi now is starting to hit your own guru. It's sad, and you are a part of the problem.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS) Balanced writings. All great masters will be furiously attacked. Probably true. Personally I do not believe in any of the stuff written about Amma, Sai Baba, Muktananda and others. I don’t “automatically” believe them but I am open to the possibility that they are true. I rejected the MMY rumors for 30+ years, then when the evidence became overwhelming, I changed my opinion. Doesn’t mean I totally rejected him, just that I had to throw the new information into the mix and make sense of it all. The irony here Rick is that the rumours you are famous for spreading about Maharishi now is starting to hit your own guru. Different rumors, dude. All rumors are not created equal. It's sad, and you are a part of the problem. It’s not sad, and it’s not a problem. Or it is, and I am. However you wish to see it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 7:54 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
Iran is also China's major source of oil. Would they sit on their hands while we carpet bomb their oil wells? a Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is is just me or did others here also breathe just a little easier when Putin said, An attack on Iran is an attack on Russia? Yeah! Sed moi -- Putin spelled it out for BushCo -- you can't just take all the oil, and Iran's is Russia's so back off. But BushCo may be insane, and this may not even created a stutter in the GlobalBiz agenda. But what Putin did do is notch up Americans' consciousness of the dire state of affairs that would ensue if BushCo goes for Iran's throat. Up until Putin, I think most Americans would have been thinking, What's the down side? Some Iranians are pissed off that we blow up their nuke making buildings? I can live with that. But after Putin, it's got to be more like, Holy shit, the Ruskies got ten thousand nukes still pointed and ready to go to downtown D.C., uptown NYC and deep in the heart of Texas. H, NOW do I want an ape in a ten gallon hat to be a decider? Putin forced us all to see the real deal just a bit clearer -- as much as BushCo loves to saber rattle, trying to scare Iran by banging on a shield just ain't a gonna happen when an Atomic Bear has its paw draped over the shoulder of Lil' Buddy Ranny. Gotta love it that GlobalBiz hasn't won the whole planet yet. Most of Asia isn't part of that, because, well, they want to do their OWN versions of Universal Corporate Domination. This is what passes for a safety factor in Kali Yuga -- multiple planet rapists at odds with each other. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was astonished to learn that in a way somewhat similar to what you've described, this resembles how Stalin was killed, for he was planning the next world war, initiated by Soviet Beast and involving nuclear attack upon 'the West' when he was ruthlessly canceled as a life form and menace to humanity. I also learned that 'very soon', a device will be invented that will make nuclear explosive devices inoperable. Oh my Brahma! I surely hope so, very soon! *I will help all beings in every way I can promptly. * * * *I will not inflict pain or misfortune on anyone through my thoughts, words or deeds. * On 10/26/07, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard a reading one time, by Ron Scalastico, where it was said, that, although the 'Higher Beings, Angels, etc.', where usually not allowed to interfere with human free will... That under certain conditions, they would be allowed to prevent a nuclear war, in that 'they' could withdraw someone's soul energy, which would put that person 'asleep'... So, this is a blessing in disquise, I would say... r.g. seattle. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
Steven, You say you have seen no kids, but in the same paragraph you mention parents and guardians. They're kids. I dare you to tell me again that they're not kids. They're kids, and like everyone under the age of 30, they can be easily swayed by experienced manipulators, desperate conditions of life, parental pressures, etc. Here we are back on the issue of predation again. They're kids. I note that you do not address my questions of fact. Barbed wire? Personal social freedoms? Where the money goes? Etc. If you cannot give facts about these issues, Steven, then, well, just fuck you. It might be the holiest of holy ashrams with the purest of pure souls and each child there is an angel in disguise, but if the barbed wire and everything else is true, it's a concentration camp to some degree, and any degree is enough evil to deserve the hottest place in hell. I understand ancient traditions. Parents are allowed to sway their kids into having religious goals. Cultures are allowed to decide on all the issues like child abuse, capital punishment, legal rights, etc. But there is a universal law that all cultures must obey if historians are ever to judge them to have been life-supporting. And yeah, there's a ton of wiggle room. Cultures can have multiple marriages, sati, burkas, clitorectomies, hands chopped off, and every manner of cruel extremes of moral-control. They're allowed, right? I hate it, but they're allowed. But some values are deeper. Kids don't get raped legitimately in any culture that I know of. Non-physical abuse is less likely to be spotlit, but, yeah, kids might get brainwashed into being street beggers, but no society approves of their mentors doing such to them. As much as it is allowed in almost every culture, the lip-service is always anti-child-abuse. I'm guessing that probably the Pundit Kids aren't getting physically abused behind the barbed wires, cuz, hell, they'd just hop that fence and live in the basement of an uncle in Cleveland, but, strangely, mental abuse can be just as devastating and yet much harder to see. I remember as a child that my Catholic buddies told me that they'd have to kneel on rice while saying the Lord's Prayer as a punishment of some sort imposed on them by nuns. Even at 10 years old, I could strip away the religious trappings and see the sickness parts -- the cruelty of nuns was common kid-gossip in my neighborhood of blue collar, mostly Polish, families. Those nuns, man, they were ruler-slapping knuckles so often you'd have thought that the parochial schools would be sending out rhythmic pulses like steel-drum bands. It didn't square with my young mind then, and abusive control of the Pundit Kids just might not square with me now if what's been said here about their situation is true. Come on, come on, come on, the TMO never does anything that doesn't have a profit motive. By this very history, the TMO use of these kids is suspect, and since it's, you know, precious young souls at possible risk, the TMO has a much larger burden of proof to meet. It shouldn't be a case of Edg can't prove jack shit, and instead be a case of Here's all the records, interview any child, talk to the parents, here's our books that show how much money has been raised. Like that. My paranoia shows when I am surprised that more emails from Dick Mays haven't already hit the in-boxes asking for even large sums than winter coats would involve. Since that hasn't happened, my cynicism is a notch lower, but maybe, and it seems very much to be the case, this winter coats thing is just the start of the begging, or at the least, it absolute proof of incredibly bad planning if cold cold Iowa was never considered in the provisioning of these kids. Give me a break. If winter coats weren't in the plans, the kids should never have been brought here, right? I mean, Send your sons to America and risk their freezing to death if they can't get enough donations by being pitiful, pious and poor in front of the rich American donors was not the message to any family in India, right? I think anyone who planned the Pundit Kids scenario should be fired for the failure to insure their safety. Maybe even brought on international fraud charges. Give me a list of the families and lets see if I can get a lawyer to start a class action suit. Steven, can you get that list? Who could? If not you, who? The TMO has never answered a single critic about anything. Gossip abounds about the dog-lust adulteries of Bevajohn. These are the leaders of a children's astral crusade? I'm glad they're at least heterosexual predators instead of pedophiles, but a sex offender is a sex offender is a sex offender. What will they allow to happen right under their noses if their noses are not offended by their own actions? These men have no place in any righteous society with such brazen open marauding on the congregation. Protectors of children? I dare Bevajohn to make
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'll tell ya, this is a great story for some national reporter to really pick up on. This could be spun into, you know, Children Held Hostage In Barbed Wire Camps In Iowa headlines. I'm just sayin'. So, somebody smack me with some good news about this, cuz right now, given my above suspicions, I'm thinking that everyone in Fairfield is like the town-folks living next door to Auschwitz. With email at hand, it shouldn't take you long at all to craft a well written letter to as many of the national reporters as addresses you can find-- I'll bet you could build a database of a hundred in an afternoon-- and then send your suspicions about the Fairfield pundits to all of them, sit back and wait for your phone to start ringing...or not. I've been using this type of scrutiny with my stories (albeit my stories have been different than yours) for years now, and it really brings reality to light in a hurry.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
Thanks Jim for reminding me of my empowerment when I'm into full whining mode. You get under my radar easily, calm me down a lot here -- I owe ya a beer. I don't live in FF. I don't actually know anyone who knows any real facts about the Pundit Kids, and my posts here are reactions to, well, gossip that may be true.or not. I'll be glad to write to a 100 national reporters if I had a little help from anyone here who knows something that a reporter can verify. I think the barbed wire is probably enough for, say, a Fox News report to be spun, but if this is truly an illegal or obviously immoral situation, then someone reading this post must be able to point out various things I could include in a letter to really nail the issue. I'm thinking that the slick-TMO has most bases covered, but this thing just smells from where I'm at downwind. That's why I'm posting here -- trying to see what can be seen by others responding to me about this issue. Who's got some nice cold, prima facie, red-handed evidence of fraud, child abuse, anti-American harsh disciplines, etc.? I don't hate the people of Fairfield. I wouldn't try to alert the press unless I had some substantiation to back my play. If the press gets into this as a headline-money-making story, it could change FF in a bad way by besmirching the whole society when it's merely a few thugs on campus making this thing keep going. I'd like to give a good work-up of the scenario that helps any reporter follow the money. I would hate to see BigMedia make GlobalBiz hay out of this if the Pundit Kids are merely a case of an intense spirituality program. The barbed wire is not enough proof to sic the press on ALL of Fairfield, but it sure is a red flag that could indicate an abusive, even criminal, situation. Anyone got something for me? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: snip I'll tell ya, this is a great story for some national reporter to really pick up on. This could be spun into, you know, Children Held Hostage In Barbed Wire Camps In Iowa headlines. I'm just sayin'. So, somebody smack me with some good news about this, cuz right now, given my above suspicions, I'm thinking that everyone in Fairfield is like the town-folks living next door to Auschwitz. With email at hand, it shouldn't take you long at all to craft a well written letter to as many of the national reporters as addresses you can find-- I'll bet you could build a database of a hundred in an afternoon-- and then send your suspicions about the Fairfield pundits to all of them, sit back and wait for your phone to start ringing...or not. I've been using this type of scrutiny with my stories (albeit my stories have been different than yours) for years now, and it really brings reality to light in a hurry.
[FairfieldLife] Insider's View of Amma's Charity Projects
Bronte writes: The following email, posted on the ex-amma website, is from a former insider devotee who claims she was on the edge of Amma's inner circle for many years. This is what she claims to have seen. Jayson, When I referred to her organization as being masquerading I am reffering to my own experience and that which I have learned through informative websites (all of which have been posted in this forum on prior posts). Amma offers no accounts of her massive revenues she collects on us tours, at all. Her math [ashram] in india is the second largest receiver of foreign funding in the entire country. Think about all the outsourcing of labour that goes on in that country with all the computer technology, clothing, phone sales etc... and you will be amazed at how much revenue that must equal. Yet all amma has to show for it are these institution which generate MORE revenue and are not charitable. There are so many rumors mixed with factual evidence (very hard to collect because of her unaccountability in her country) about her hospital being a not of a charitable nature at all. They exaggerate the free things they do and neglect to mention that they are counting subsidy as charity. For exaple say you need surgery in cochin. There are three hospials. AIMS (ammas hospital) will in some case offer it to you for less (were talking ten percent maybe) than the competition. And that is masqueraded as charity here in the west. Amma herself has said this is charity. The housing is done with mostly government labour (RSS volunteers/militia) and is largely funded by them as well. Amma takes full credit though. This is a fact and has been spoken about in other forums. As for her schools, the so called charitable medical college has two, yes two students who are allowed to attend for free and they must PAY the institution back upon graduation! This is called charity? The schools for younger are private schools, requiring tuition and are not cheap by indian standards. Only the middle class kids get to go. This is called charity. One only has to go to india and start talking to some of the staff at these institutions to get a real feel for the mockery. Some have spoken to westerners about this. The truth is slowly coming out. I personally witnessed many poor, destitutes being barred entry from her programs in india. They were treated as thieves when really they just weren't the class of peole who would patronize the show (and it is just as much a merchandizing spectacle as it is in the west). I personally know westerners who worked at AIMS who witnessed the deception. I have just been around it too long and have seen ammas attitudes and that of the devotees directly instructed by her to treat poverty with haughty contempt. I have personally witnessed amma fawning over wealthy businessmen in india to solicit funds. I have seen her do it in the west as well. I know the protocol she gives her disciples when any big money is around. I have seen her spend hours in her private room with VIPS in india and the west. Some aggressive panhandling. An ironic but not overly imporant instance that changed my outlook was when on u.s tour the swami was singing a particularly beautiful devotional song to the divine mother lalita and abruptly halted it when the mayor of lyle (chicago suburb) came in. He was given a chair seat right on the stage over amma and the darshan, where the singing had formerly been taking place, and was showered with attention and presents. I was there shocked thinking about how amma says that the deities are present when singing to them and how we should be so concentrated to never miss a beat or mispronounce a syllable and here right in front of amma the mayor of lyle gets precedence over the divine mother. Like I said I was on the fringes of the inner circle. Much more inside than visiters, I spent years in india and did all us tours but I still was never given any authority over any charities so I have no documents. She only gives control to her indian devotees whom she claims are much more devoted than us. They are just more brainwashed from a culture that breeds ignorance. They have no options once having given up thier lives to the math. Even if they saw corruption whom would they tell. They could easily be killed as many have. And to Dlaw. I value my life, thank you. I know too many frothing at the mouth, psychotic devotees in the area I live in alone. I would have to move or live in fear if I told you who I was. Plus I am betting amma doesnt have psychic abilities and wont sick any dogs on me unless I reveal who I am. It should be apparent from my knowledge of the workings of the us tour that I am credulous. I will write more. I have so many experiences to share about the mind control, ammas real personality and misrepresentation of charities but one can only read the previous postings of all these sincere ex cult members to see that it is all redundant.
[FairfieldLife] Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
Bronte writes: Here is a statement from Amma's former Joint Secretary in charge of accounts about the fraudulent nature of Amma's charities. Exerpt from Message 283 in files of ex-amma website: Im enclosing below a statement that was emailed to the Amma satsang groups by one of Ammas former swamis when he left the organization. He was the Joint Secretary in charge of accounts, administration, banking and investments. He was offered money by the ashram if he would retract what he wrote, but he has courageously stood by his words despite being now under financial pressure. He recently started a wholesale export business for religious and devotional items. The quality and prices of his merchandise seem very good. Anyone interested should check out his website www.celextel.com IDEAS IN REALITY - INSIDE STORY My life of Twenty-Two Years as a Monastic was of never ending struggles in trying to bring the various Spiritual Ideas as Reality in my Life. While attempting to narrow down the gaps between the Ideas and Reality, I finally chose to observe my Life in Reality and had to give up the Ideas that remained unrealistic in my Life. Chastity was the main Idea that had failed to become Reality in my Life primarily due to the highly stimulating environment that I was put in. Not only in the individual level, but also in the Organization level, I have seen wide gaps when the ideas are put into practice. To narrate a few instances: 1. Just before the Inauguration of the Hospital at Cochin, we had suggested Amma to declare that Hospital as a Charitable One. But Amma had firmly told us that Amma would declare it as a FREE Hospital as that being Amma's real intention while establishing the same. Under the Indo-US Agreement, to get the complete waiver of Customs Duty for all the Medical Items to be Imported, the Ashram also has given an Irrevocable Undertaking to the Government of India that the Hospital would provide Medical Treatments at Free of Cost. But in Reality, as everyone here knows, the Ashram Hospital at Cochin is not a Free Hospital; Neither it could be considered to be a Charitable One as Certain Percentage of Beds have not been set aside as Free Ones for the use of Deserving Poor Patients. Many of the Deserving Patients from the Poorest Strata of the Society are turned away by the Hospital; Few of the luckiest ones get Subsidy; Persons from the Middle Class of the Society get affordable Treatment and the Affluent ones get the Treatment at a Competitive Rate. The Math which is a Charitable Trust is not supposed to run the Hospital like a Commercial Establishment as it is doing right now. When would the Ashram make the Hospital at Cochin as a Free or a Charitable One in Reality ? 2. The Ashram now claims to have completed 15,000 Houses to the Deserving Poor under the current Housing Scheme. In Reality, the Ashram has constructed not more than 7,500 Houses [50%] so for. The Ashram also is claiming to have spent about Rs.28,000/= per House. But in Reality, the cost incurred by the Ashram for each of the House is not more than Rs.14,000/= [50%]. Why are the False Claims ?... Let there be Justice to Every-one; Injustice to No-one ! Let there be Truth Every-where; Untruth No-where ! Edited by: Borg108 at: 6/5/03 9:33 am --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ammaex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pointed to a post that was posted four years ago from some anonymous person. That really does not substantiate these claims. I ask that you please back up these claims, otherwise it is all just speculation. thanks - moderator Re: Save Saint Amma From Greedy Capitalists I am the AIMS consultant referred to by Borg108 in his posting of four years ago. I still have in my possession the hospital financial statements and my original interview notes that substantiate everything mentioned in his posting about AIMS and the misrepresentation of its charitable work. You should also be aware, that based on my discussions with AIMS top administrators, all policy decisions with respect to AIMS were made through the direction of and with the knowledge and approval of AMMA herself. Others I know who can also verify this information are afraid to do so out of fear for their personal safety. Those I know who have spoken out privately about these matters are residing still in India where violence and political influence against others is a way of life. I, myself, was warned by two saintly swamis in India to keep my mouth shut soon after I discovered what was happening at AIMS. But as the bible points out, even the stones will speak out the truth eventually. (posted by HughNMe [EMAIL PROTECTED]) posts 281 and 283, examma refed (link) in message 283, ex-amma Amma, Inc. - I first arrived at Ammas Indian ashram just in time for her birthday celebration. What immediately struck
[FairfieldLife] Hi, Hughes
Hi, Hughes, I did read that post, and thanks. Good for you for going to the bother of doing some research. I respect your opinions, even where I disagree, and have that book you recommend on my reading list. Best regards, - Bronte --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brontebaxter8 brontebaxter8@ wrote: Hey Bronte, did you miss my post David Icke - the verdict from a week ago? Perhaps it's worth the effort to find it as it might shed a bit of light on DI and his thought processes, all my own opinions of course but I'd be interested to see if you agree with me on any of it. I have a good reading suggestion for you as well, which will give you a different perspective on life for sure. I think we ARE shell-shocked. We are in denial. When someone moves past confusion that into a radical understanding or solution, they are hooted down as crazy or anti-American. David Icke, for example. Here's a guy who has connected all the dots in a brilliant way that deserves real consideration, but all you have to do is MENTION that name to get branded as (quoting a former friend) a bug-eyed cult zombie. People are scared to think outside the box, because of the implications. Things are so seriously cockeyed and wrong, that even to peak over the edge of the box is practically terrifying. Better to pretend things are fine, have friendly debates about what political candidate will save America, and totally disregard the problems that go so deep no phony political system can ever address them. We have a two-party system? The people elect the president? Our last election proved both concepts to be illusions. Two presidential candidates, from opposite parties, who never knew each other at their shared alma mater, Yale, though they were just a year apart and in the same elite Yale secret society! The electoral college decides who gets elected, not the people. Democracy is an illusion and has been for a long time. How is it we miss that? For one thing, because we're told how free we are, by the very people who run the show for us. Because they give us a two-party system that allows only the people who are one of them to make it to the top, filtering out all genuine people as candidates long before the time of the national vote. Keep 'em busy arguing over who's better, Obama or Hillary, and do whatever you like behind the scenes to tighten the snare a little more around freedom, because, who's really watching? The press ideofies anyone with intelligent criticism -- Icke for example again. Embarrass him on national television, twist his words and get everyone laughing at him, and no one will hear the little voice of a man who saw through deceptions no one else was sharp enough to question. You are right to be outraged. You have great integrity. Keep shoving it in our face, and eventually the very discomfort of that has to wake people up. It's not a popular position, but a heroic one. Such outcries are our only hope. You go, Edg. - Bronte -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: It takes a thorn to remove a thorn. I'm going to re-post below my early essay about true evil in the world. This essay got exactly zero thread comments, yet in it I wave a flag of desperation for today's downtrodden. I think it is an example of important whining that has conceptual clout and deserves to be repeated endlessly until the situation is rectified. In it I present one of the most repugnant concepts I've ever put into words here, but not a single person here reacted. How to interpret this silence? I think most of us are shell shocked -- too banged up to care about the injustices of the world -- merely treading the water lost in a sea of political impotency. I could have written the essay as a sugary sweet cheerleading for the love-virtues that need to be supported in the culture's consciousness, but I doubt that such an essay would have gotten any responses here either. In fact, I've posted MANY wonderfully sweet tales and poems and cool ideas, but I've gotten flamed here more often than patted on the back. My karma, but, so too has everyone here posted unrequitedly about their POVs. When it comes to neighborliness, we're in short supply. I don't need pats on the back cuz I do that for myself far better than anyone here could, cuz I am a good writer/narcissist with a jyotish chart to prove it, but geeze I keep coming here and posting what I consider to be emotionally involving, well presented, POVs about core truths of life, and, like everyone here attempting the same kind of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
Angela Mailander wrote: Gn the other hand, I've seen plenty of direct evidence that the world of men and women is rife with conspiracies. And until you consider that evidence, calling me a conspiracy nut is just ignorant name-calling; moreover, it is evidence of the lack of education in America that I've been moaning about. My father belonged to a centuries old European ruling class family, and I was expected to marry into such a family when I came of age. I chose not to do so because I knew too much by that time about the conspiracies with which the ruling classes keep the masses in check. My sister chose the path I rejected, and I lived with her in Europe for a year. Heads of governments were regular guests in her home. And again, I saw direct evidence of what had made me reject that life in the first place. We never had dinner guests which didn't require me to be briefed politically ahead of time. a Sometimes when I get called a conspiracy theorist I ask people if they don't believe that wealthy people and top level businessmen strategize too? What we often call conspiracies may often be strategies since they are published openly. But I guess calling someone a strategy theorist doesn't quite have the ring they want. :)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
These are the rantings of a lunatic. I suggest you consult a mental health professional without delay. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reacting to the concept that the Pundit Kids were kidnapped, someone wrote this to me in a private email: bravo bravo... bravo... thank you... you're my new hero... signed... paranoid in fairfield (fear-field) Erp, maybe I should try to step up to this plate better. I was being poetically largish, of course, when I used this concept, but the email above braced me into thinking a bit harder about it. Were the Pundit Kids kidnapped? Of course not, but yes. Yes, if money is dangled in front of an utterly poor Hindu family that is asked to send one of its sons to America in return for, what? This is the hole in my knowledge. Are poor families being bribed into sacrificing one child for the sake of the family? How much money for a kid does the TMO pay? My guess would be: nothing -- it's enough that a family is relieved of the cost of feeding that child, and the family gets this opportunity to have a kid who might stay in America and get a job and send tons of money back to the family. With almost a billion poor families, this may be an easy scenario to sell in India. In India, harsh poverty is the norm. Get the picture? Think three times America's population -- hundreds of millions -- we're talking no running water and maybe only one light bulb for a home, and the clothes worn are the only clothes owned. We're talking sati widows sizzling on coals holding back their screams. We're talking about villages that will get a notion and end up dragging a person out of a hut and beating that person to death in front of everyone, and knowing that cops will do nothing about a religious punishment. In such a milieu, selling a kid may be considered a great benefit, a lottery won, huzzah huzzah. Who would dare discount the intensity of the desperation in the minds there? So, yeah, almost certainly, a massive kidnapping seems the most likely scenario. I mean, does any expect that Girish headed up a two hundred person team to scour India for the best, most religious families with the purest hearted sons intent on gaining a priestly education? Nope, I don't. I think they went to one town, yelled out, Anyone want to get rid of a kid? and then beat back the crowds while trying to find the families with the least wherewithal to complain about the eventual use of their child. And how are Our Holy Children of the Corn treated here? I don't know, but the little I heard was that they are severely proctored, impounded, and watched over like Guantanamo prisoners. Are these kids allowed to quit the program, find fault with the program's restrictions, write to anyone via email, have online access at all, have a beer in town, watch TV, see a woman wearing pants instead of a dress, call home anytime, have non-pundit friends, go to a party, ask a serious question, sing a popular song, smile at or make eye contact with a non-pundit, talk about the challenges of ashram life?? I'm thinking, nope, they don't gots that. The barbed wire enclosing their area -- is that really true? Hoping I'm way paranoid and that these kids have a chance to, you know, BREATHE. How much do we get to know about the TMO's money raising operations? Not much, right? I mean, these Pundit Kids could have been used in every country of the world as heart-tuggers. We seemingly raised the funds here in America to support the program, but, come on, didn't the TMO tell all the TB's in Germany to donate for that cause too? Why not get every TB enclave in the world to think that their group is the one most needing to pony up? Hey, just askin' Maybe those Pundit Kids are worth their weight in gold to Girish with a ROI of, say, 1000%? Sweaters, boots, hats and coats for the Pundit Kids? HELL FUCKING NO How about FREEDOM FOREVER? I'll tell ya, this is a great story for some national reporter to really pick up on. This could be spun into, you know, Children Held Hostage In Barbed Wire Camps In Iowa headlines. I'm just sayin'. So, somebody smack me with some good news about this, cuz right now, given my above suspicions, I'm thinking that everyone in Fairfield is like the town-folks living next door to Auschwitz. Smoke, I don't smell no smoke. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Replying to Archer's Comments about Amma
The ex-amma website is closed to Amma proselytizers for the protection of its members, most of whom consider themselves healing from involvement in a cult. They come to the forum to share experiences and recovery, not to argue or defend themselves against true believers. (See description below exerpted from the home page of the forum.) Replying to Archer's statement that Amma's movement is big, so she can't possibly know all that is going on: Amma tells people that she knows the mental state of [her] devotees at all times, even when they aren't praying to her. If such is the case, how can she not know about financial discrepancies on the order of those described by her own Joint Secretary? (See my other posts today for his statement.) If she knows her devotees' minds and hearts, it is easy for Amma to see anything illegal or criminal they might do behind her back. If she cannot read their minds and hearts, then she is lying. Either option suggests corruption. From the ex-amma website homepage: Description A forum for ex-devotees (or questioning) of Amma (Mata Amritanandamayi) or Ammachi popularly known as the hugging saint to safely and anonymously share their stories, thoughts, healing, struggles and disappointment over Ammachi and/or the organization. Devotee rebuttals and harassment will not be tolerated. This group is tightly moderated to maintain a safe, nurturing environment for expression and discussion. Please only join this group if you are: 1. an EX-DEVOTEE 2. a DEVOTEE that is QUESTIONING 3. A family member of someone who is a Devotee and is concerned about their involvement. 4. Someone considering becoming a devotee who would like a more unbiased view. This group was started as an alternative to other online Ammachi groups, whose focus tends to veer from any criticism or free-flowing observation of the discrepancies that occur around Ammachi and the Ammachi corporation. There are a few rules, more common sense that anything. #1 This is not a forum for gratuitous Ammachi bashing. In fact, many members are here not because of disappointment with Amma personally. Many are members simply out of conflict with the organization. This forum should serve as an open, safe environment for people to ask questions and submit their opinions and experiences with Ammachi without fear of rebuttal or harassment from her devotees. Unfortunately, it is the case that ex-devotees or simply the merely questioning feel afraid to voice legitimate questions and concerns. Consider this a safe haven for voicing those questions and concerns. This group is tightly moderated and any harassment from Ammachi devotees will not be tolerated. Please note also that the members list is PRIVATE (accessible to moderator only) and cannot be viewed by anyone-even members of the group. When signing up for this group, you can choose to HIDE your e-mail address. If you choose to hide your e-mail address, you will have to come directly to the board to make posts. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 12:05 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS) Balanced writings. All great masters will be furiously attacked. Probably true. Personally I do not believe in any of the stuff written about Amma, Sai Baba, Muktananda and others. I don't automatically believe them but I am open to the possibility that they are true. snip The irony here Rick is that the rumours you are famous for spreading about Maharishi now is starting to hit your own guru. Different rumors, dude. All rumors are not created equal. OK, I'll take your word for it - you're the expert in this field after all.
[FairfieldLife] Rockin' at the Bhuta Yagna Rave!
2007-10-27
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
*Rockin' at the Bhuta Yagna Rave!* Rhythm and Soul, Mudras and more, this bird's got it made, ready to appear on *Aviate Idol*. Get a bird's eye view of what they do when they think we're not looking: *http://Rocking-with-SaintFrancis.dances.it/*http://rocking-with-saintfrancis.dances.it/ *Rave On for Big Feathers!*
RE: [FairfieldLife] Another Account of Financial Fraud and Danger
These accusations are disturbing if true, but I’m not in a position to rebut them. As I said, I don’t have first-hand experience of anything going on in India, and my experience with Amma in the US has been positive and uplifting. I suggest again that you post such things to HYPERLINK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zonehttp://groups.yahoo. com/group/ammachi_free_speech_zone, where you might get some informed responses, pro and con. But of course, your forgone conclusion is that gurus and Indian spirituality in general are bad, so maybe it suits you better to post to sites where no one will challenge what you say. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1095 - Release Date: 10/26/2007 7:54 PM
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iran is also China's major source of oil. Would they sit on their hands while we carpet bomb their oil wells? a Um. If what the U.S. wants is Iran's oil, we're not really too likely to bomb the wells, don't you think? Much less carpet-bomb them. I think you may have picked up that phrase without knowing what it really refers to, just because it sounds satisfyingly brutal. Might want to look it up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rockin' at the Bhuta Yagna Rave!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Rockin' at the Bhuta Yagna Rave!* Rhythm and Soul, Mudras and more, this bird's got it made, ready to appear on *Aviate Idol*. Get a bird's eye view of what they do when they think we're not looking: *http://Rocking-with-SaintFrancis.dances.it/*http://rocking-with-saintfrancis.dances.it/ *Rave On for Big Feathers!* Absolutely wonderful! As one of the token predators here, I have to weigh in for this bird as The Best Bait In The World. Can you just *imagine* the groupie status you would have on the Predator Circuit if this bird were your pet, and you could say in bars, Hey,want to come over to my place and see my bird dance? And make it worth their *time*. Pure evil, dude. Can you order birds like this online? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Dramatic NASA Video of Melting Arctic Sea Ice
This animation, produced by NASA, shows the dramatic change in arctic sea ice between Sept. 21, 2005 and Sept. 14, 2007. The 2007 Arctic summer sea ice has reached the lowest extent of perennial ice cover on record - nearly 25% less than the previous low set in 2005. The area of the perennial ice has been steadily decreasing since the satellite record began in 1979, at a rate of about 10% per decade. But the 2007 minimum, reached on September 14, is far below the previous record made in 2005 and is about 38% lower than the climatological average. Such a dramatic loss has implications for ecology, climate and industry. Video: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/10/19/VI2007101902050.html Same video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMQ21p93JZc Technical information: http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a00/a003400/a003456/index.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Insider's View of Amma's Charity Projects
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bronte writes: The following email, posted on the ex-amma website, is from a former insider devotee who claims she was on the edge of Amma's inner circle for many years. This is what she claims to have seen. Jayson, When I referred to her organization as being masquerading I am reffering to my own experience and that which I have learned through informative websites (all of which have been posted in this forum on prior posts). Not much here in my view-- possibly some exaggeration on Amma's part regarding charity, and some fear and assumption on the part of the writer, but read for what it is, its a pretty mild expose, as exposes go. I am wondering how this is really any different from the situation once we stop being attracted to gurus, as I am and you are, and we still have to deal with what we show to others as our public face, and how we act and think nakedly, within our own minds?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
I've lived through carpet bombing. It was called saturation bombing back then. I was using the term as a synecdoche. a authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Iran is also China's major source of oil. Would they sit on their hands while we carpet bomb their oil wells? a Um. If what the U.S. wants is Iran's oil, we're not really too likely to bomb the wells, don't you think? Much less carpet-bomb them. I think you may have picked up that phrase without knowing what it really refers to, just because it sounds satisfyingly brutal. Might want to look it up. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Russia our White Knight? Gads, YES!!!!! (Re: 'Preventing Nuclear War)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lived through carpet bombing. It was called saturation bombing back then. I was using the term as a synecdoche. a Nice try, no cigar. Doesn't matter what it's called, you wouldn't use that kind of bombing on oil wells. (You wouldn't use it much at all these days.) And I notice you forgot to address the absurdity of the U.S. bombing Iran's oil wells, even using the appropriate type of bombing. Oh, and you weren't using the term as a synecdoche, either. Might want to look that up too. While I'm at it, it's cui bono, not Qui Bono. Even without the inappropriate caps, qui bono is what's known as Dog Latin. And its as a possessive never, EVER has an apostrophe. Congratulations, though, on learning how to spell dumb. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Iran is also China's major source of oil. Would they sit on their hands while we carpet bomb their oil wells? a Um. If what the U.S. wants is Iran's oil, we're not really too likely to bomb the wells, don't you think? Much less carpet-bomb them. I think you may have picked up that phrase without knowing what it really refers to, just because it sounds satisfyingly brutal. Might want to look it up. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pundit Kids
There is children of all ages in Maharishi's educational institutions in India(and in other parts of the world as well) but there is no kids, no minors of any kind amoungst the pundits in Fairfield and Maharishi Vedic city. People resort to overblown rhetoric and swearing,etc when they have no facts and no persuasive arguements. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven, You say you have seen no kids, but in the same paragraph you mention parents and guardians. They're kids. I dare you to tell me again that they're not kids. They're kids, and like everyone under the age of 30, they can be easily swayed by experienced manipulators, desperate conditions of life, parental pressures, etc. Here we are back on the issue of predation again. They're kids. I note that you do not address my questions of fact. Barbed wire? Personal social freedoms? Where the money goes? Etc. If you cannot give facts about these issues, Steven, then, well, just fuck you. It might be the holiest of holy ashrams with the purest of pure souls and each child there is an angel in disguise, but if the barbed wire and everything else is true, it's a concentration camp to some degree, and any degree is enough evil to deserve the hottest place in hell. I understand ancient traditions. Parents are allowed to sway their kids into having religious goals. Cultures are allowed to decide on all the issues like child abuse, capital punishment, legal rights, etc. But there is a universal law that all cultures must obey if historians are ever to judge them to have been life-supporting. And yeah, there's a ton of wiggle room. Cultures can have multiple marriages, sati, burkas, clitorectomies, hands chopped off, and every manner of cruel extremes of moral-control. They're allowed, right? I hate it, but they're allowed. But some values are deeper. Kids don't get raped legitimately in any culture that I know of. Non-physical abuse is less likely to be spotlit, but, yeah, kids might get brainwashed into being street beggers, but no society approves of their mentors doing such to them. As much as it is allowed in almost every culture, the lip-service is always anti-child-abuse. I'm guessing that probably the Pundit Kids aren't getting physically abused behind the barbed wires, cuz, hell, they'd just hop that fence and live in the basement of an uncle in Cleveland, but, strangely, mental abuse can be just as devastating and yet much harder to see. I remember as a child that my Catholic buddies told me that they'd have to kneel on rice while saying the Lord's Prayer as a punishment of some sort imposed on them by nuns. Even at 10 years old, I could strip away the religious trappings and see the sickness parts -- the cruelty of nuns was common kid-gossip in my neighborhood of blue collar, mostly Polish, families. Those nuns, man, they were ruler-slapping knuckles so often you'd have thought that the parochial schools would be sending out rhythmic pulses like steel-drum bands. It didn't square with my young mind then, and abusive control of the Pundit Kids just might not square with me now if what's been said here about their situation is true. Come on, come on, come on, the TMO never does anything that doesn't have a profit motive. By this very history, the TMO use of these kids is suspect, and since it's, you know, precious young souls at possible risk, the TMO has a much larger burden of proof to meet. It shouldn't be a case of Edg can't prove jack shit, and instead be a case of Here's all the records, interview any child, talk to the parents, here's our books that show how much money has been raised. Like that. My paranoia shows when I am surprised that more emails from Dick Mays haven't already hit the in-boxes asking for even large sums than winter coats would involve. Since that hasn't happened, my cynicism is a notch lower, but maybe, and it seems very much to be the case, this winter coats thing is just the start of the begging, or at the least, it absolute proof of incredibly bad planning if cold cold Iowa was never considered in the provisioning of these kids. Give me a break. If winter coats weren't in the plans, the kids should never have been brought here, right? I mean, Send your sons to America and risk their freezing to death if they can't get enough donations by being pitiful, pious and poor in front of the rich American donors was not the message to any family in India, right? I think anyone who planned the Pundit Kids scenario should be fired for the failure to insure their safety. Maybe even brought on international fraud charges. Give me a list of the families and lets see if I can get a lawyer to start a class action suit. Steven, can you get that list? Who could? If not you, who? The TMO has never answered a single critic about anything. Gossip
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Insider's View of Amma's Charity Projects
I forwarded Bronte’s post to a friend and this is her response: Dear Rick, Thanks for getting in touch with me! I'm in a bit of a unique situation as I'm sure I know the original poster. His name is Gary Antonacci (sp?) and we used to be friends when we were both SRF people who had just come to Amma. He's stayed at my house and I've stayed at his (former) house in the Bay area. His spiritual name (given by Amma) is Aniruddhan, a name he posted under. He himself is the consultant who went to India. The truth is that he was living with a nurse, Donna (also SRF), who went to the AIMS hospital, and he thought he'd go there and snoop around. (He told me that before he went there.) There my clarity disappears. I know he was not happy with what he found and actually confronted Amma Herself about it. My friend Manoharan told me that. It was while they were on tour, by the side of the road outside her motorhome. Since he received no satisfaction, he apparently made it his mission to expose Amma. What I do know about Gary is that on a personal level he turned out (again according to Manoharan) to be a real creep towards Donna. I can't recall all the details, but I know she caught him going online and soliciting dates with other women. Then when she broke up with him, he began making threatening phone calls to her--or something like that. Since he can't seem to maintain a relationship with a woman, if you know the right sites online, you could probably pretend to be a comely lass and mention your interest in Ammachi and he might even still be out there cruising. So on a personal level he's a troubled guy. I don't know what to think about the charges, which I have read before on other sites. I do know a former nun who also says that Amma has called You sons of bitches get on the bus! when she was on tour in India. That is factual, as far as I can tell. I know that when my friend Laurie was treated at the AIMS Hospital (for a staph infection) her surgery, medicines, and treatment for several days was about $14, which struck us as extremely reasonable. Since she would have been considere wealthy by Indian standards, they could have charged several times that and she would not have minded. But they didn't. Personally, I am a little appalled by all the emphasis on money in the Amma organization. SRF was never like that. I confess I can also be a little cynical about the emphasis on news reports, publicity, etc. (How many photographers do they need, anyway?) But I love Amma and that seems to be what's going on in my heart, regardless of what my head thinks about things. I have no idea (other than offical Ammadom) where you could go to get the real scoop. If I go to India again, I'd like to go to the orphanage and check out Gary's charges. That should be pretty easy to verify. Previously when I've thought deeply about these charges, what I've come down to is that Amma is a genuine saint and Gary is a troubled soul. So I'm sticking with Amma. One thing's for sure: No poor people would have been treated at AIMS if Amma hadn't built it. In Amma's love, Jyotsna No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[FairfieldLife] Dramatic NASA Video of Melting Arctic Sea Ice
2007-10-27
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
*Dramatic NASA Video of Melting Arctic Sea Ice* The 2007 Arctic summer sea ice has reached the lowest extent of perennial ice cover on record - nearly 25% less than the previous low set in 2005. The area of the perennial ice has been steadily decreasing since the satellite record began in 1979, at a rate of about 10% per decade. But the 2007 minimum, reached on September 14, is far below the previous record made in 2005 and is about 38% lower than the climatological average. Such a dramatic loss has implications for ecology, climate and industry. This animation, produced by NASA, shows the dramatic change in arctic sea ice between Sept. 21, 2005 and Sept. 14, 2007. Video: http://NASA-ArcticMeltdown.shows.ithttp://nasa-arcticmeltdown.shows.it/ Video by NASSA/Goddard Space Flight Center Scientific Visualization Studio Technical information: http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a00/a003400/a003456/index.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rockin' at the Bhuta Yagna Rave!
2007-10-27
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
From what I've learned, this bird is untrained, it just simply has the booty for the bhuta with a rockin' bacchanal. Could have been a 'soul' dancer from a past life, eh. On 10/27/07, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Rockin' at the Bhuta Yagna Rave!* Rhythm and Soul, Mudras and more, this bird's got it made, ready to appear on *Aviate Idol*. Get a bird's eye view of what they do when they think we're not looking: *http://Rocking-with-SaintFrancis.dances.it/* http://rocking-with-saintfrancis.dances.it/ *Rave On for Big Feathers!* Absolutely wonderful! As one of the token predators here, I have to weigh in for this bird as The Best Bait In The World. Can you just *imagine* the groupie status you would have on the Predator Circuit if this bird were your pet, and you could say in bars, Hey,want to come over to my place and see my bird dance? And make it worth their *time*. Pure evil, dude. Can you order birds like this online? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: [examma] Re: Facts Evidence (MORE LINKS)
I love it: Strategy theorist. Maybe people don't know what a conspiracy actually is. Every scandal involving corruption in high places of government or big business is a conspiracy come to lightand havent we seen our share of Enrons and Attorney firings, etc. lately? The savings and loan crisis of the eighties was a big conspiracy. Every corporation that sells products dangerous to consumers, the tobacco and the pharmaceutical industries, for example, is a conspiracy against those same consumers. Every secret service of every country is, by definition, a conspiratorial society. If a cardinal launders Mafia money in the Vatican bank, then this, too, is a conspiracy, as are all the secret financial dealings of this, the biggest religious corporation/state in the world. When the CIA, in collusion with Mafia hit-men, attempts to murder Fidel Castro, then you can call that a liberal democratic conspiracy in the name of freedom for all I care, but it is a conspiracy just the same. And when the CIA with the help of the industrial giant ITT and a few military men topples a democratically elected government, in Chile, just for example, then we are dealing with a conspiracy, as we are, too, when this same CIA secretly finances Christian-democratic and Social-democratic political parties in Europe, bribes journalists of free media and allegedly independent newspapers, or establishes secret terrorist commandoes, which, of course, doesnt say that every conspiracy is necessarily an evil one. If, as happened in 1985 and at the behest of the CIA, it was attempted to smuggle five tons of synthetic drugs from Germany to the U.S. in order to finance the Contras in Nicaragua with the profits then this is a conspiracy. When, for those same reasons, the national security advisor of an American president works together with the drug bosses of Medellin, then this is a conspiracy, even if President Bush Senior under the aegis of the War against Drugs then tries to remove all the witnesses. When America secretly imports Nazi scientists with the help of the Vatican after the war so that they can continue doing what they had been doing (including medical experiments on human beings) what could this possibly be if not a conspiracy? And when international finance with the assistance of the Communist experiment kept half of Europe at the standard of living of developing countries for decades, then this was a conspiracy. The fact that it depends on the goodwill of a few international banks whether or not a government gets credit and thus is allowed to live is a conspiracy against every single citizen who believes in democracy. And the men who met to plan the Federal Reserve System did so as secretly as any conspirators by their own published admission. These are just a few of the conspiracies I can come up with off the top of my head, but there literally hundreds more. And nineteen Arabs with box cutters! The dumming-down of America has been especially successful if people can believe that. I've seen what airplanes do when they hit buildings---they never behave as the twin towers did. And building seven was a dead give-away. The targets were symbolic---the whole thing was obvious drama and designed that way for effect. If I were a terrorist seriously interested in harming America, I could bring the food-distribution system to a stand-still with four car bombs and there would be a famine in this land. Conspiracies are nothing special, but are an ordinary part of every day politics. And making the term conspiracy taboo is without a doubt a conspiracy in collusion with the spin meisters and opinion fabricators of the world in the interest of all conspirators and against all free and inquiring spirits. But all the conspiracies Ive mentioned above are small potatoes compared to Nazi Germany and the New World Order. That conspiracy has consistently been pursuing certain goals for hundreds of years and, possibly, for two thousand years and more, or at least since St. Paul conspired with the court philosopher Seneca to turn the cult of Christianity into a state religion. Winston Churchill, as everyone will agree, was a great spirit, a great politician, certainly no dunce, and this great European for sure did not suffer from any sort of paranoia. Yet none other than he (and who, if not Churchill, would have known) spoke unmistakably of an international conspiracy. Similarly, the British Prime Minister between 1874 and 1880, Viscount and Lord Beaconsfield, Benjamin DIsraeli, repeatedly spoke about the existence of a secret and globe-encircling organization and said, The world is governed by completely different personalities than those who cannot see behind the scenes believe. In Nazi Germany those personalities became almost visible. Now, it is true that you have to dig a little to find out what was going on. Books published in English
[FairfieldLife] Will Bush really bomb Iran?
From The Sunday Times October 28, 2007 Will Bush really bomb Iran? The rhetoric is getting stronger, the sanctions tougher and military planning more detailed. Iran is now the focus of attention in Washington Sarah Baxter In the white desert sands of New Mexico, close to where the first atom bomb was detonated, America’s biggest conventional weapon was tested last spring. A 30,000lb massive ordnance penetrator, known as the Big Blu or the Mother of All Bombs, was placed inside a tunnel to test its explosive power against hard, deeply buried bunkers and tunnels designed to conceal weapons of mass destruction. The monster bunker-buster was so heavy, it could not fly. But the blast was a huge success, rippling through the tunnels and destroying everything in its wake. Today the Big Blu might as well have “Tehran” written on its side in the same way that the Iranians love to parade missiles marked “Tel Aviv”. Tucked away in an emergency defence spending request, the US air force has just asked Congress for $88m to equip B2 stealth bombers, the black warriors of the skies, with racks strong enough carry the huge bomb. This was no casual request, but an “urgent operational need from theatre commanders”, according to the air force. Even a Republican congressman fretted: “This whole thing . . . reminds me of the movie Dr Strangelove.” Related Links ·Iranians study nuclear physics in Britain ·Bush turns the screw on Iran ·Sanction-hit banks to face City boycott In the 1964 film starring Peter Sellers, a demented general launches a unilateral strike on the Soviet Union, convinced it is already stealthily undermining America. Global nuclear destruction ensues. THE end result might not be so grave, but are America’s B2s being readied for an attack on Iran? It would fit in neatly with President George W Bush’s recent warning about the dangers of a third world war, should Iran be allowed to obtain the “knowledge to make a nuclear weapon”. Iran-watchers noted with interest the use of the word knowledge. Bush, it appeared, was determined to act well before the mullahs got anywhere close to an actual bomb. Dick Cheney, the vice-president, piled on the pressure last week, calling Iran a “growing obstacle to peace in the Middle East” and vowing “serious consequences” if it persisted with its nuclear programme. A senior Pentagon source, who remembers the growing drumbeat of war before the invasion of Iraq, believes Bush is preparing for military action before he leaves office in January 2009. “This is for real now. I think he is signalling he is going to do it,” he said. But nobody is sure whether the president really will add a risky third front to the Afghan and Iraq wars that are already overstretching US forces. “If you’d asked me a year ago, I’d have said yes,” said John Bolton, the hawkish former US ambassador to the United Nations. “Today I’d say, I don’t know.” It is clear the military machinery for an attack is being put into place. More than 1,000 targets have been identified for a potential air blitz against Iran’s nuclear facilities, air defences and Revolutionary Guard bases, despite claims last week by Robert Gates, the defence secretary, that the planning was merely “routine”. As for the urgent request for the Big Blu, it has “bombing Iran written all over it”, said John Pike, a defence expert at the think tank Globalsecurity.org. Iran’s uranium enrichment halls at Natanz, about 150 miles south of Tehran, are buried 75ft deep, while there are believed to be nuclear sites buried under granite mountains in tunnels that are like the long roots of a tree. It is not enough to drop a smart bomb down a shaft – it has to have the capacity to blast sideways with massive force. The question of timing is becoming ever more urgent, now that Bush has fewer than 15 months left in the White House. Confidants say he is determined not to bequeath the problem of a nuclear Iran to his successor and regards it as an important part of his legacy. Although intelligence estimates vary as to when Iran will achieve the know-how for a bomb, the French government recently received a memo from the International Atomic Energy Agency stating that Iran will be ready to run almost 3,000 cen-trifuges in 18 cascades by the end of this month, in defiance of a UN ban on uranium enrichment. It is enough, say scientists, to produce one bomb within a year. If that is the case, the hour for action may soon be upon us. Against this backdrop, the US public is growing acclimatised to the threat of war. As the saying in Washington goes, “Iran is the new Iraq”. While controversy over the Iraq war is fading in intensity – even for the 2008 presidential candidates – the problem of a nuclear Iran is rapidly moving up the political agenda. David Miliband, the foreign secretary, was in Washington last
