Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
Awww...that's so sweet. I don't know why everyone is so __ about you (never mind, yes I do). I do find this place intimidating..but I figure I landed here for a reason (or some weird cosmic joke). Overall, I find this much better entertainment than Court TV, pretty informative, and the most unusual blend of sincerity and BS I've every encountered. And its helping me in other confusing ways. I'm feeling a shift insideback to the living. I've cruised through Byron Katie and am moving on to Susan Campbell and am reading the book Getting Real...wait, that doesn't apply here (except that it does). From: authfriend jst...@panix.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Damn! I thought I had something figured out :) Ya'll are so far out of my league... Naah. We've just been at it forever. It's sort of like the one about the prisoners who tell jokes by the number because they've heard them so often, they've memorized them. 1ST INMATE: 803! INMATES: HAHAHAHAHA!! 2ND INMATE: 385! INMATES: HOHOHOHOHO!! NEW INMATE: 517! [silence] NEW INMATE: Why didn't anybody laugh? OLD INMATE: Don't feel bad. You know, some folks can tell a joke, some can't. (Oldie but goodie.) I knew that for sure when someone posted the Osho video (George Carlin originating) on the many uses/meanings of the word f..k after one of my sad rants. (Kinda like the word love, actually.) Heh...! Pulled me right out of the massive shame attack I was in. Aw, Denise...hope you've stayed out of it. You ain't got nuttin' to be ashamed of. Such a useless and destructive emotion, and you're such a bright light here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOYb_xlcNc But it won't hurt any of us to watch this again. What a showman he was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Khandana Bhava Bandhana: Breaker of this Worldâs Chain By Swami Vivekananda
Are you nuts? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, evananda108 evananda@... wrote: Khandana Bhava Bandhana: Breaker of this Worldâs Chain By Swami Vivekananda We adore you, O breaker of the bondage of the world, worÂshipped by all humankind! You are stainÂless, yet have taken a human form. You are beyond all attribÂutes, yet are the embodÂiÂment of all virtues. O puriÂfier of all defects! O gem of the world! O embodÂiÂment of pure conÂsciousÂness! Your stainÂless eyes, sancÂtiÂfied by the colÂlyrium of knowlÂedge, remove our ignoÂrance at a mere glance. You are verÂily a sea of light and divine moods, ever filled with the waves of ineÂbriÂatÂing love. Your holy feet, attained through devoÂtion, are the raft that carÂries us across the ocean of this world. You are the Lord of the uniÂverse, the manÂiÂfest incarÂnaÂtion of the age and our guide along the path of yoga. We have realÂized this truth through your grace, you whose mind is estabÂlished in samadhi. O destroyer of the mass of sufÂferÂing! O embodÂiÂment of comÂpasÂsion! O tremenÂdous perÂformer of deeds! You have sacÂriÂficed your life to redeem the world and cut the bonds of the Kali Yuga. You have conÂquered lust and greed and have spurned the enticeÂments of sense pleaÂsure. O Lord of renouncÂers! O best among men! Grant us love for your blessed feet. You are beyond fear and free from doubt. Your mind is unwaÂverÂing in resolve. You have renounced all pride of birth and caste and, withÂout any motive, are a refuge for all your devotees. O gift of love and embodÂiÂment of same-sightedness! Their sufÂferÂing vanÂishes who look upon your holy feet as their greatÂest treaÂsure. For them, this tranÂsiÂtory world seems like the pudÂdle that fills the hoof-print of the cow in the clay. SaluÂtaÂtions to you, O Lord, saluÂtaÂtions to you! You are beyond mind and speech, and are also the ground of mind and speech. Light of all lights, you shine forth in the cave of the heart. Destroy the darkÂness of ignoÂrance there, O Lord, destroy the darkÂness of ignorance. To the accomÂpaÂniÂment of the mriÂdanga, with its rhythÂmic tones, your devoÂtees are singing this arati to you: jaya jaya, hara, hara, shiva shiva. We adore you, O breaker of the bondage of the world, worÂshipped by all mankind! You are stainÂless, yet have taken a human form. You are beyond all attribÂutes, yet are the embodÂiÂment of all virtues. VicÂtory to the great guru! from http://vedantadc.org/khandana-bhava-bandhana
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
This version is equally fuckilicious and fuckilightful. From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing http://tinyurl.com/3rrhnb3 Creative Commons license: Public Domain --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yaay !!! On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Yikes! Thanks Ravi, I need to fuckin' wake up. Maybe that immersion weekend with Amma did some good after all. Started to shock me right out of my years-long depressed reverie :) From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Damn!  I thought I had something figured out :)   Ya'll are so far out of my league...I knew that for sure when someone posted the Osho video (George Carlin originating) on the many uses/meanings of the word f..k  after one of my sad rants.  (Kinda like the word love, actually.)  Pulled me right out of the massive shame attack I was in. That would be me and I said - If fuck is your favorite word, you are not having an intellectual hard-on :-) . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/286402 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOYb_xlcNc From: authfriend jstein@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: The comedy routines today are just LOL funny (at least in the level of multiverse I'm residing in).  Thank you, thank you. We'll be here all week. And, come on now...the bait was definitely directed at her. Don't think so, Denise. He knows I'm not a wallower in heavy metals. And it sure never occurred to me that anything he said in that first post was directed at me. I think he was just stuck for a putdown in response to my editorial comments. From: Mike Doughney mike@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote: You couldn't resist taking the bait, could you? Oh, stinging response, Mike! That bait was a tiny bit of deliberately exaggerated hyperbole that was in no way directed at you, but I had a pretty good idea it would very likely result in you running up your post count before the end of the evening. Pushing your buttons is barely avoidable, since for more than a decade and a half you've instantly reacted to such barely noticeable bits of rhetoric from certain individuals, and had an insatiable need to tell me and others what we already know. None of it actually has anything to do with you, except in your own warped and narcissistic head. Just like Ravi, you're proud to be an asshole, and not much else, here.
[FairfieldLife] YFfers in Croatia cool down the atmosphere in Bulgaria??
http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=133059 Eastern Bulgaria is slowly recovering Wednesday after being hit in the beginning of the week by a heavy, early snow storm with gusty winds. All roads in the country are passable, but the Shipka, Zlatishki, Tvardishki and Vratnik mountain passes in Stara Planina are closed. Traffic in the Mountain Pass of the Republic is allowed only one way at a time, which has created long lines and congestion. 234 villages and towns are still without power with the most serious situation reported in the central Gabrovo Region.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson
snip ...the sooner we decide to roll up our sleeves and get back to work instead of looking for bankers to blame, the better our chances of coming back. I remember him saying this. 1) No one is looking for bankers to blame...we know where they are. 2) The real issue is not blameits accountability and recompense. Such as agreeing to stop obstructing the mortgage modify programs. 3) Can you not see the link between financial collapse and corporate layoffs? Hint: think fear and profit. 4) His statement was a stereotypical corporate executive denial statementwe absolve ourselves of any responsibility or need to address this at all, as we had no control over any piece of this in any way, shape, or form. So please, just think of this as an ACT of GOD and put your heads back in the sand and get back to the grindstone. From: richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson nablusoss1008: The meditation techniques are well known to be Buddistic One of the most important lessons Dad taught us was not to feel like victims. He never felt like a victim; he never talked like a victim. And both of our parents taught us not to think that the government owed us something. They didn't teach us to be mad at this country. - Herman Cain Our kids are competing with Asian kids who go to cram school and practice the violin in the afternoon. This isn't going to be easy, and the sooner we decide to roll up our sleeves and get back to work instead of looking for bankers to blame, the better our chances of coming back. Here's the story of the People's Ponzi scheme in a nutshell: http://tinyurl.com/5svylmb
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Robin is having trouble posting this, so I'm doing it for him: Maybe his email program is bored out of its mind by his mind-numbingly long-winded posts, and has decided to rebel. Hey Sal, I have to take part of the credit or blame for the length since I produced my half of it. And I can certainly see how from the outside this beast is just too much to bear! Seriously. But I defend the charge that Robin is just sending out monologues to strangers here. This is one of the most interesting discussions I have engaged in here. And unfortunately it took a lot of words to suss out some key points of interest to both Robin and me. The driving force behind this exchange is a genuine interest in understanding each other's process for approaching reality. Because it engages our complete philosophies, it requires a lot of words. What we are attempting is not simple. And of course any conversation with me is going to be lengthened by whatever improv comedy strikes me as I write, so there we tack on even more. I am not making a case that this should be of interest to anyone else. I am just owning my part in it. I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. As such, he is pretty much the polar opposite of myself. When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over- weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Curtis *engages* them. Like the saint he is, he reacts to the nothing they say by either pretending it's some- thing or (more likely) as if he's actually able to find something interesting in it. As such, he has become in a way the therapist to the stars, or at least those who are legends in their own minds and convinced that they *are* stars. Whereas few others consider Robin or Judy or Ravi or Jim interesting enough to even *read*, Curtis not only reads their stuff but replies to it as if it actually deserved a reply. He meets nitpick with nitpick, self- obsession with I can understand why you're obsessed with that, tirade with humor. I admire his compassion and his patience in doing this; it is a skill that I lack. Since I honestly don't think that I've ever seen an original or creative idea emanate from ANY of the people I mentioned, it is very difficult for me to pretend that I have. It's much easier -- and a far better use of my time -- to wave my paw at them and say Bah than it is to get into their obsessions with them. Curtis feels otherwise, and thus provides these oh-so-needy people with the attention that they so desperately seek. It's like he's the Mother Teresa of the Internet. Whereas some encounter a leper trying to show off his sores and turn away, Curtis says, Wow...that's really a good one. Just LOOK at the pus oozing from that one, and allows them to feel good about themselves, as if there were at least one person out there in cyberspace who feels that they're interesting enough to deal with. It is thus IMO a form of selfless service, and I commend him for it. I may not read it, even though I know that this may deprive me of glimpses of his awesome humor, but I think it's neat that he does it. The average post here is maybe 5-10 Kbs, this one alone is 125. While this might be his longest to date, it's hardly an aberration. I don't get it. Too bad MDG is no longer here to explain how and why someone would take the trouble, day after day, to write these endless monologues to a bunch of almost complete strangers. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Translation in Hindi?
This is a typical Western translation of Rgveda IX 112, 4: The male desires his mate's approach, the frog is eager for the flood, Flow, Indu, flow for Indra's sake. The original goes like this: shepo romaNvantau bhedau vArinmaNDUka icchatIndrAyendo pari srava (shepaH; romaNvantau bhedau vaarin maNDuukaH; icchati+indraaya; indo pari srava ) A literal translation of 'shepo romaNvantau bhedau...icchati' would be e.g: penis (shepaH) desires (icchati: wants) a hairy (romaNvantau) cunt (bhedau). I'd be way surprised if for instance a translation in Hindi would be more honest... :D Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary: Search Results 1 zepa (= shepa)m. penis or tail. bheda m. breaking, splitting, breach, division, separation, seduction, winning over (of another's ally), interruption, disturbance, hurt, injury; bursting, expanding, blossoming; alteration, change, difference; fissure, cleft, ***pudendum muliebre*** [card: 'bhedau' is actually nominative *dual* - two clefts??]; part, portion; species, variety.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Translation in Hindi?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: This is a typical Western translation of Rgveda IX 112, 4: The male desires his mate's approach, the frog is eager for the flood, Flow, Indu, flow for Indra's sake. The original goes like this: shepo romaNvantau bhedau vArinmaNDUka icchatIndrAyendo pari srava (shepaH; romaNvantau bhedau vaarin maNDuukaH; icchati+indraaya; indo pari srava ) A literal translation of 'shepo romaNvantau bhedau...icchati' would be e.g: penis (shepaH) desires (icchati: wants) a hairy (romaNvantau) cunt (bhedau). I'd be way surprised if for instance a translation in Hindi would be more honest... :D ...than a typical English (etc.) translation. Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary: Search Results 1 zepa (= shepa) m. penis or tail. bheda m. breaking, splitting, breach, division, separation, seduction, winning over (of another's ally), interruption, disturbance, hurt, injury; bursting, expanding, blossoming; alteration, change, difference; fissure, cleft, ***pudendum muliebre*** [card: 'bhedau' is actually nominative *dual* - Oops! It's actually accusative dual, because it's the object here; in dual they (nom. and acc.) are identical in form! two clefts??]; part, portion; species, variety.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
snip When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over-weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Whew...lotta words in this there sentence :) From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Robin is having trouble posting this, so I'm doing it for him: Maybe his email program is bored out of its mind by his mind-numbingly long-winded posts, and has decided to rebel. Hey Sal, I have to take part of the credit or blame for the length since I produced my half of it. And I can certainly see how from the outside this beast is just too much to bear! Seriously. But I defend the charge that Robin is just sending out monologues to strangers here. This is one of the most interesting discussions I have engaged in here. And unfortunately it took a lot of words to suss out some key points of interest to both Robin and me. The driving force behind this exchange is a genuine interest in understanding each other's process for approaching reality. Because it engages our complete philosophies, it requires a lot of words. What we are attempting is not simple. And of course any conversation with me is going to be lengthened by whatever improv comedy strikes me as I write, so there we tack on even more. I am not making a case that this should be of interest to anyone else. I am just owning my part in it. I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. As such, he is pretty much the polar opposite of myself. When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over- weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Curtis *engages* them. Like the saint he is, he reacts to the nothing they say by either pretending it's some- thing or (more likely) as if he's actually able to find something interesting in it. As such, he has become in a way the therapist to the stars, or at least those who are legends in their own minds and convinced that they *are* stars. Whereas few others consider Robin or Judy or Ravi or Jim interesting enough to even *read*, Curtis not only reads their stuff but replies to it as if it actually deserved a reply. He meets nitpick with nitpick, self- obsession with I can understand why you're obsessed with that, tirade with humor. I admire his compassion and his patience in doing this; it is a skill that I lack. Since I honestly don't think that I've ever seen an original or creative idea emanate from ANY of the people I mentioned, it is very difficult for me to pretend that I have. It's much easier -- and a far better use of my time -- to wave my paw at them and say Bah than it is to get into their obsessions with them. Curtis feels otherwise, and thus provides these oh-so-needy people with the attention that they so desperately seek. It's like he's the Mother Teresa of the Internet. Whereas some encounter a leper trying to show off his sores and turn away, Curtis says, Wow...that's really a good one. Just LOOK at the pus oozing from that one, and allows them to feel good about themselves, as if there were at least one person out there in cyberspace who feels that they're interesting enough to deal with. It is thus IMO a form of selfless service, and I commend him for it. I may not read it, even though I know that this may deprive me of glimpses of his awesome humor, but I think it's neat that he does it. The average post here is maybe 5-10 Kbs, this one alone is 125. While this might be his longest to date, it's hardly an aberration. I don't get it. Too bad MDG is no longer here to explain how and why someone would take the trouble, day after day, to write these endless monologues to a bunch of almost complete
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: snip When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over-weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Whew...lotta words in this there sentence :) LOL. True. There are several possible explanations for this. It's possible that while ranting about those who tend to become a tad...uh...long-winded, I was possessed by one of their spirits and channeled them, unable to help myself. Or it could be that I was using an example of long-windedness to make my point. Another possibility, one that I fully admit to stooping to from time to time, is that it could be a planted error, intended to draw fire from our resident compulsive editor, thus causing her to post out more quickly. Or (and this is probably closest to the truth), I was trying to type fast because one of my housemates wanted me to go to the market with them, and thus I skimped on my usual running self-edit process. Whatever the reason, mea culpa :-) I stand by the gist of my assessment, although not its form -- self importance, lack of creative and original thought, and the wisdom of the Dogbert approach to such people, and their writing. :-) From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Robin is having trouble posting this, so I'm doing it for him: Maybe his email program is bored out of its mind by his mind-numbingly long-winded posts, and has decided to rebel. Hey Sal, I have to take part of the credit or blame for the length since I produced my half of it. And I can certainly see how from the outside this beast is just too much to bear! Seriously. But I defend the charge that Robin is just sending out monologues to strangers here. This is one of the most interesting discussions I have engaged in here. And unfortunately it took a lot of words to suss out some key points of interest to both Robin and me. The driving force behind this exchange is a genuine interest in understanding each other's process for approaching reality. Because it engages our complete philosophies, it requires a lot of words. What we are attempting is not simple. And of course any conversation with me is going to be lengthened by whatever improv comedy strikes me as I write, so there we tack on even more. I am not making a case that this should be of interest to anyone else. I am just owning my part in it. I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. As such, he is pretty much the polar opposite of myself. When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over- weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Curtis *engages* them. Like the saint he is, he reacts to the nothing they say by either pretending it's some- thing or (more likely) as if he's actually able to find something interesting in it. As such, he has become in a way the therapist to the stars, or at least those who are legends in their own minds and convinced that they *are* stars. Whereas few others consider Robin or Judy or Ravi or Jim interesting enough to even *read*, Curtis not only reads their stuff but replies to it as if it actually deserved a reply. He meets nitpick with nitpick, self- obsession with I can understand why you're obsessed with that, tirade with humor. I admire his compassion and his patience in doing this; it is a skill that I lack. Since I honestly don't think that I've ever seen an original or creative idea emanate from ANY of the people I mentioned, it is very difficult for me to pretend that I have. It's much easier -- and a far better use of my
[FairfieldLife] Re: YFfers in Croatia cool down the atmosphere in Bulgaria??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=133059 Eastern Bulgaria is slowly recovering Wednesday after being hit in the beginning of the week by a heavy, early snow storm with gusty winds. All roads in the country are passable, but the Shipka, Zlatishki, Tvardishki and Vratnik mountain passes in Stara Planina are closed. Traffic in the Mountain Pass of the Republic is allowed only one way at a time, which has created long lines and congestion. 234 villages and towns are still without power with the most serious situation reported in the central Gabrovo Region. And it's not the first time in history. Remember the heavy snowfall after the first big Yogic assembly, when was it, 1980/79 ? Russian tanks on it's way to occupy Poland was stuck in snow. Years later even the CIA has ackowledged this fact. We prevented the 3'rd world war - His Divinity Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:59 PM, tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: He also wrote: Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the Hindu-Aryan Myth and Neo-Nazism, ...1998-2000 - ISBN 0-8147-3111-2 . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi Unknown Sources: National Socialism and the Occult, co-authored with Hans Thomas Hakl - ISBN 1-55818-470-8 . Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism, and the Politics of Identity, ...2002 - ISBN 0-8147-3155-4 . What a pity Maharishi and Hitler could have joined up to end the Kali Yuga. But I guess there's still hope. Perhaps some Neo-Nazis could team up with some Rajas.
[FairfieldLife] Ellie Roozdar: New Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 10/19/2011
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
LOL. I like your paragraph about this being an intimidating place. We are all stuck here, this could be appropriate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A_SKMNxYmM It is nice to be here with you all, in a strange kind of way. : ) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Awww...that's so sweet.  I don't know why everyone is so __ about you (never mind, yes I do). I do find this place intimidating..but I figure I landed here for a reason (or some weird cosmic joke).  Overall, I find this much better entertainment than Court TV, pretty informative, and the most unusual blend of sincerity and BS I've every encountered.  And its helping me in other confusing ways.  I'm feeling a shift insideback to the living. I've cruised through Byron Katie and am moving on to Susan Campbell and am reading the book Getting Real...wait, that doesn't apply here (except that it does).  From: authfriend jstein@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:22 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Damn! I thought I had something figured out :) Ya'll are so far out of my league... Naah. We've just been at it forever. It's sort of like the one about the prisoners who tell jokes by the number because they've heard them so often, they've memorized them. 1ST INMATE: 803! INMATES: HAHAHAHAHA!! 2ND INMATE: 385! INMATES: HOHOHOHOHO!! NEW INMATE: 517! [silence] NEW INMATE: Why didn't anybody laugh? OLD INMATE: Don't feel bad. You know, some folks can tell a joke, some can't. (Oldie but goodie.) I knew that for sure when someone posted the Osho video (George Carlin originating) on the many uses/meanings of the word f..k after one of my sad rants. (Kinda like the word love, actually.) Heh...! Pulled me right out of the massive shame attack I was in. Aw, Denise...hope you've stayed out of it. You ain't got nuttin' to be ashamed of. Such a useless and destructive emotion, and you're such a bright light here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOYb_xlcNc But it won't hurt any of us to watch this again. What a showman he was.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: LOL. I like your paragraph about this being an intimidating place. My perspective is different. I think it's only an intimidating place for those who feel as if they have an image that needs protecting. Those who have a more fluid personality, and feel no need to con- stantly defend themselves and their view of who and what they are don't seem to find it intimidating at all. In that ilk I include notables such as Curtis, you, Alex, Rick, Marek, Sal, Susan/wayback, tartbrain, Denise, Xeno, and many others, who never seem to worry about it. The ability to just be oneself seems to be its own reward.
[FairfieldLife] Iceland Midnight Sun
A beautiful time lapse video taken this last summer. http://vimeo.com/30581015
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
I couldn't stop laughing when I first heard it a while ago! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: This version is equally fuckilicious and fuckilightful. From: whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing  http://tinyurl.com/3rrhnb3 Creative Commons license: Public Domain --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ wrote: Yaay !!! On Oct 17, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Yikes! Thanks Ravi, I need to fuckin' wake up. Maybe that immersion weekend with Amma did some good after all. Started to shock me right out of my years-long depressed reverie :) From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:23 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: Damn! Ãâ I thought I had something figured out :) Ãâ Ãâ Ya'll are so far out of my league...I knew that for sure when someone posted the Osho video (George Carlin originating) on the many uses/meanings of the word f..k Ãâ after one of my sad rants. Ãâ (Kinda like the word love, actually.) Ãâ Pulled me right out of the massive shame attack I was in. That would be me and I said - If fuck is your favorite word, you are not having an intellectual hard-on :-) . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/286402 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOYb_xlcNc From: authfriend jstein@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 7:37 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing Ãâ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: The comedy routines today are just LOL funny (at least in the level of multiverse I'm residing in). ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâ Thank you, thank you. We'll be here all week. And, come on now...the bait was definitely directed at her. Don't think so, Denise. He knows I'm not a wallower in heavy metals. And it sure never occurred to me that anything he said in that first post was directed at me. I think he was just stuck for a putdown in response to my editorial comments. From: Mike Doughney mike@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote: You couldn't resist taking the bait, could you? Oh, stinging response, Mike! That bait was a tiny bit of deliberately exaggerated hyperbole that was in no way directed at you, but I had a pretty good idea it would very likely result in you running up your post count before the end of the evening. Pushing your buttons is barely avoidable, since for more than a decade and a half you've instantly reacted to such barely noticeable bits of rhetoric from certain individuals, and had an insatiable need to tell me and others what we already know. None of it actually has anything to do with you, except in your own warped and narcissistic head. Just like Ravi, you're proud to be an asshole, and not much else, here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
I am pretty sure any and all of them would react just like the rest of us do, if you decided to lie and deliberately distort their words and criticize them personally. What you are really listing are the people on FFL who don't threaten lil' Barry and his shriveled heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: LOL. I like your paragraph about this being an intimidating place. My perspective is different. I think it's only an intimidating place for those who feel as if they have an image that needs protecting. Those who have a more fluid personality, and feel no need to con- stantly defend themselves and their view of who and what they are don't seem to find it intimidating at all. In that ilk I include notables such as Curtis, you, Alex, Rick, Marek, Sal, Susan/wayback, tartbrain, Denise, Xeno, and many others, who never seem to worry about it. The ability to just be oneself seems to be its own reward.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Don't you ever take a day off from these endless self justifications, and just live with yourself? What a windbag. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@ wrote: snip When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over-weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Whew...lotta words in this there sentence :) LOL. True. There are several possible explanations for this. It's possible that while ranting about those who tend to become a tad...uh...long-winded, I was possessed by one of their spirits and channeled them, unable to help myself. Or it could be that I was using an example of long-windedness to make my point. Another possibility, one that I fully admit to stooping to from time to time, is that it could be a planted error, intended to draw fire from our resident compulsive editor, thus causing her to post out more quickly. Or (and this is probably closest to the truth), I was trying to type fast because one of my housemates wanted me to go to the market with them, and thus I skimped on my usual running self-edit process. Whatever the reason, mea culpa :-) I stand by the gist of my assessment, although not its form -- self importance, lack of creative and original thought, and the wisdom of the Dogbert approach to such people, and their writing. :-) From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Robin is having trouble posting this, so I'm doing it for him: Maybe his email program is bored out of its mind by his mind-numbingly long-winded posts, and has decided to rebel. Hey Sal, I have to take part of the credit or blame for the length since I produced my half of it. And I can certainly see how from the outside this beast is just too much to bear! Seriously. But I defend the charge that Robin is just sending out monologues to strangers here. This is one of the most interesting discussions I have engaged in here. And unfortunately it took a lot of words to suss out some key points of interest to both Robin and me. The driving force behind this exchange is a genuine interest in understanding each other's process for approaching reality. Because it engages our complete philosophies, it requires a lot of words. What we are attempting is not simple. And of course any conversation with me is going to be lengthened by whatever improv comedy strikes me as I write, so there we tack on even more. I am not making a case that this should be of interest to anyone else. I am just owning my part in it. I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. As such, he is pretty much the polar opposite of myself. When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over- weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Curtis *engages* them. Like the saint he is, he reacts to the nothing they say by either pretending it's some- thing or (more likely) as if he's actually able to find something interesting in it. As such, he has become in a way the therapist to the stars, or at least those who are legends in their own minds and convinced that they *are* stars. Whereas few others consider Robin or Judy or Ravi or Jim interesting enough to even *read*, Curtis not only reads their stuff but replies to it as if it actually deserved a reply. He meets nitpick with nitpick, self- obsession with I can understand why you're obsessed with that, tirade with humor. I admire his
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
If anyone notices, I have torn at the Turq many times. I do recall the Turq has mentioned some unflattering words towards obba too. The difference is I do not spend my whole time taking every one of his words as a pain in the ass, and if he makes any sense, I leave him alone haha. What shocks me the most is when a TM Meditator, tears his ass as some kind of outside the movement freak. That is disturbing to me, because if one is getting inner peace, why would one feel threatened by Turq's comments about TM, to the point of lashing out? Judy has pointed out many times the Turq has made an error in his use of TM words, and many others, haha, and at that point, there is no need for someone like me to step in because she called it and many times rightfully so. (Judy is goddess to me.) I am sure if I was hanging out in Amsterdam with the Turq, at a coffee house, rolling a...uh, whatever they have to roll there, and I said I had to take my 20, he may roll his eyes, at the same time respect my time into the Transcendence, as I feel that what works for me. I do not live TM like a cult and if other's do, that is their problem and not mine. : ) Barry is doing a pretty good job showing me the dark side of the movement mind set, yet I still like my TM..so far, I think. ; ) This is where, Barry, can be free of my not, theaten lil Barry and his shriveled heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: I am pretty sure any and all of them would react just like the rest of us do, if you decided to lie and deliberately distort their words and criticize them personally. What you are really listing are the people on FFL who don't threaten lil' Barry and his shriveled heart. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: LOL. I like your paragraph about this being an intimidating place. My perspective is different. I think it's only an intimidating place for those who feel as if they have an image that needs protecting. Those who have a more fluid personality, and feel no need to con- stantly defend themselves and their view of who and what they are don't seem to find it intimidating at all. In that ilk I include notables such as Curtis, you, Alex, Rick, Marek, Sal, Susan/wayback, tartbrain, Denise, Xeno, and many others, who never seem to worry about it. The ability to just be oneself seems to be its own reward.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
If it helps, I do not remember having said unflattering words about you, so if I did they were in passing, and possibly in jest. I think your 'tude is both sane and rational, more than I can say about those who choose to obsess on me. Especially the ones who claim to be enlightened, and yet obsess anyway. What a wonder I must be to distract them from their one-pointed focus on eternity in such a way. My shriveled little heart thanks you for your wisdom, and wishes more TMers could learn from it. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: If anyone notices, I have torn at the Turq many times. I do recall the Turq has mentioned some unflattering words towards obba too. The difference is I do not spend my whole time taking every one of his words as a pain in the ass, and if he makes any sense, I leave him alone haha. What shocks me the most is when a TM Meditator, tears his ass as some kind of outside the movement freak. That is disturbing to me, because if one is getting inner peace, why would one feel threatened by Turq's comments about TM, to the point of lashing out? Judy has pointed out many times the Turq has made an error in his use of TM words, and many others, haha, and at that point, there is no need for someone like me to step in because she called it and many times rightfully so. (Judy is goddess to me.) I am sure if I was hanging out in Amsterdam with the Turq, at a coffee house, rolling a...uh, whatever they have to roll there, and I said I had to take my 20, he may roll his eyes, at the same time respect my time into the Transcendence, as I feel that what works for me. I do not live TM like a cult and if other's do, that is their problem and not mine. : ) Barry is doing a pretty good job showing me the dark side of the movement mind set, yet I still like my TM..so far, I think. ; ) This is where, Barry, can be free of my not, theaten lil Barry and his shriveled heart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Dear Barry Wright, If you can ever get Curtis to admit that he is, in relationship to myself, acting the part of Mother Theresa, or if he, in his response to my latest post, gives *any* indication that this could possibly be the case, I shall cease posting at FFL. For what you say in this post to be true means the refutation and destruction of my entire philosophy. Since I take as an original premise the idea that I can read more or less the motives of others when they write to myself. So, I am declaring then, Barry, that everything you say in this post is false (I assume it is basically false as well with respect to the other persons who you categorize as being ministered to by the missionary charity of Curtis; but I don't profess to know this for a dead certainty). Let's put it this way, Barry: You are saying Curtis is writing to me for reasons which directly contradict what he formally professes are his reasons. Am I to believe you and believe him to be lying to me? I have conducted an offline correspondence with Curtis, and our interactions within this context would make of Curtis, should you be right in what you say actuates his writing to me, a psychopathic monster. I will simply say, Barry, you are as inherently wrong about your characterization of Curtis, as I am objectively right in my attribution of his motives in writing to me, viz, that he is utterly sincere and engaged with all his mind and heart. And I let this declaration stand: unless Curtis gainsays what I have said hereor even qualifies it in any wayI will assume that I am right and you, terribly, perversely wrong. You have never once even attempted to make your case, and you haven't here either. Again, Barry, I challenge Curtis: if he refuses to issue any kind of statement in supporteven infinitesimallyof what you have said are his reasons for writing to me, I will assume, for the record, that you are, at least with respect to myself, egregiously wrong. And that Curtis knows you to be a false witness to his actions. If I had the very slightest doubt about all that I have said here, Barry, I would stop posting at FFL and personally thank you for performing a service that no one else has been able to perform for me: demonstrating that I am, when it really comes down to it, a neurotic human being who seeks the attention of others because of the shallowness of his soul. By the way, I refuse to let anyone compensate for me. Do you get this, Barry? Think about that. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Robin is having trouble posting this, so I'm doing it for him: Maybe his email program is bored out of its mind by his mind-numbingly long-winded posts, and has decided to rebel. Hey Sal, I have to take part of the credit or blame for the length since I produced my half of it. And I can certainly see how from the outside this beast is just too much to bear! Seriously. But I defend the charge that Robin is just sending out monologues to strangers here. This is one of the most interesting discussions I have engaged in here. And unfortunately it took a lot of words to suss out some key points of interest to both Robin and me. The driving force behind this exchange is a genuine interest in understanding each other's process for approaching reality. Because it engages our complete philosophies, it requires a lot of words. What we are attempting is not simple. And of course any conversation with me is going to be lengthened by whatever improv comedy strikes me as I write, so there we tack on even more. I am not making a case that this should be of interest to anyone else. I am just owning my part in it. I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. As such, he is pretty much the polar opposite of myself. When I encounter someone on the Internet who combines an over- weaning sense of their own self importance with an almost pathological need to use as many words as humanly possible to convince others of that importance, all while coming up with a near-absolute dearth of creative ideas (or even original ideas), I tend to react to them the way Dogbert does in the cartoon I posted recently, by waving my paw at them and saying Bah. Curtis *engages* them. Like the saint he is, he reacts to the nothing they say by either pretending it's some- thing or (more likely) as if he's actually able to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin
On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. Frankly I didn't realize he was even part of what appeared to be another one of Robin's gigantic monologues when I posted what I did. And for me it wouldn't matter much what great ideas Robin supposedly came up with if the only way he could get them across was to beat people over the head with sheer voluminosity, over and over again. Life is way too short. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
I think you are way off base here. I sell rudraksha beads... I have a 21 face bead from Java available right now for $14,000. Many people elect to just keep such expensive beads on an altar and not wear them while others will faithfully try to ingest something from the bead, some water. Please understand, information about Indian beads and objects is all over the internet. Some people are interested in ancient things and some people are interested in modern things. Yes, I have heard stories of all kinds of things while living in India. There are perfectly legal prescription drugs that some people may decide to overuse, or use in some contrary way, that certainly is not the fault of the physician. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: Really, $700 plus to wear a little brown bead or curio?$700 plus for something that is NOT going to worn against the skin or soaked and drank? Thats fundamentally dishonest of you to pretend that anyone would pay that to do anything else with it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, evananda108 evananda@ wrote: Thanks, that's a good point. I really have no interest in having people endanger their health. People do that everyday, drinking, smoking etc...So they don't need my help. Some former MMY students/teachers told me about Kaleshwar and from there I was fortunate to get a connection to Shirdi Sai Baba. Baba of course was neither Hindu nor Moslem ... my non-commercial FB site for Baba and my small work as healer is https://www.facebook.com/DivineEnergyHealing This is the official site maintained by the Trustees of Baba's Samadhai https://www.shrisaibabasansthan.org/INDEX.HTML Thanks you --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, evananda108 evananda@ wrote: Of course one would never recommend actually drinking the water the beads soak in. It looks like that's exactly what you're doing on the Web site, though. You have a disclaimer on your Divine Energy Healing site about consulting a physician and always following medical advice. You need to have something like that on the Navapashanam site as well. Either that or remove the stuff about drinking the bead-soaking water and wearing the beads close to the skin. BTW, the Divine Energy Healing site is very nicely done, I think. I also looked at Swami Kaleshwar's site, and his record of charitable projects is impressive. I had never heard of him or Shirdi Sai Baba. How did you become a student of Swami Kaleshwar, if I may ask? In India some people do, and they eat many funny things there too. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: evananda, it would be a good idea for you to put at the bottom of your navapashanam site (every page) a disclaimer such as the following (from another site that sells navapashanam beads): IMPORTANT NOTICE Future Alchemy is providing these extremely rare and magical beads as talisman and blessing substances ONLY. One's decision to wear the bead next to the skin and/or soak the bead in liquid and drink it is entirely personal - THE OWNERS OF FUTURE ALCHEMY NEITHER RECOMMEND NOR ADVISE THIS PRACTICE. While we are extremely pleased to offer such an amazing alchemical substance, WE CANNOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY EFFECTS, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, THAT COME FROM ITS USE. Or better still, get a lawyer to write an even more ironclad disclaimer for you. Mike Doughney, Vaj, and others on this forum would have no inhibitions about notifying the FDA (which has its own ideas as to what it wants to be involved in; it doesn't matter what *you* think). Even if this stuff *were* harmless, even if it *did* bring about miraculous healing, you're on potentially dangerous legal ground, at least in the U.S.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that I was serious in complimenting Curtis for his compassion and his empathy in being willing to engage in dialogue with these people. My bet is that they're going to take what I wrote and try to make it all about them. That's exactly why I don't deal with them, and don't respect them, but DO respect Curtis.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. Frankly I didn't realize he was even part of what appeared to be another one of Robin's gigantic monologues when I posted what I did. And for me it wouldn't matter much what great ideas Robin supposedly came up with if the only way he could get them across was to beat people over the head with sheer voluminosity, over and over again. Life is way too short. Dear Sal Sunshine, Let me make a confession to you, Sal: you will be shocked, but given the searching and honest appraisal you have given of my posts at FFL, I think, finally, you are the person to whom I must reveal this. Itthis disclosureis going to set me back some, but no matter; what is important is that I finally level with all the readers at FFL, especially yourself, Sal, who only hints at the deep and thoughtful philosophy within which you are determine to live your remaining days on this earth. Here it is, Sal: Iutterly against my willslipped into Unity again. This happened as a direct effect of one of those powerful confrontations of me by your friend in Europe. As you can imagine this was to say the least unexpected and even traumatic. But now I will have to make the best of it. So in order to create a followingfor when I announce I am once again enlightenedI have chosen the most worthy foe on FFL: Curtis. These insane drama-fests, I admit, never occur in life, only in literature. Or, if you like, bad literature. There should never been anything serious, dangerous, demanding posted at FFL. Life doesn't hurt; it's all sunshine after all. But you see, I am trying to, before the fact, convert Curtis. If I can get him on board such that he will become a disciple of mine (when the moment comes) I will get off to the best start of any Guru ever. Don't you think this to be true? Think of the influence he could exert upon Holland. I am trying to wear down the neurobiological basis of his existence, because that's all there is inside Curtis. The length and tedium and prolixity of my posts are in the service of this ambition of mine. So, then, with the advent of my announcement of being enlightened once again, I had to, sweet Sal, prepare the ground; you know, bore away (like Maharishi), only in my case, trying to beat people over the head with sheer voluminosity, over and over again. You have captured me perfectly there, Sal. It is a wonder to me no one else (but you and Barryand a few others) have found me out. You understand, though, how inconvenient this is, almost as if you already have had a presentiment about my Second Enlightenment (divine relapse), and are enabling the more susceptible and credulous among the FFL readers to be alert to the move I am on the verge of making: namely, seeing how many disciples I can immediately gather up into the fold from here at FFL. Now think about it, Sal: Are you prepared, given the extraordinary honour you have in being chosen to learn this momentous fact about me: that I am once again in Unity Consciousness (with all the benefits that derive from having fallen out of Unity for the past 24 years), to accord me some greater respect than you have so far in your carefully-considered putdowns? I am hoping so, Sal. I want to be bigger than Maharishi ever was. And it's all free. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. Frankly I didn't realize he was even part of what appeared to be another one of Robin's gigantic monologues when I posted what I did. And for me it wouldn't matter much what great ideas Robin supposedly came up with if the only way he could get them across was to beat people over the head with sheer voluminosity, over and over again. Life is way too short. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Some thoughts, not arguments or siding with this or that view. More for my own insights and playful viewing of things. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Barry Wright, If you can ever get Curtis to admit that he is, in relationship to myself, acting the part of Mother Theresa, or if he, in his response to my latest post, gives *any* indication that this could possibly be the case, I shall cease posting at FFL. For what you say in this post to be true means the refutation and destruction of my entire philosophy. Is that a bad thing. Not your philosophy per se, but anyone's, all of ours. It seems healthy, even necessary, (in the abstract, easier said than done)to periodically come to new insights and realizations that enable one to rather joyfully refute, destroy and abandon ones prior views (and meta-views which may be another way of getting at the term philosophies). Since I take as an original premise the idea that I can read more or less the motives of others when they write to myself. And how would you know? For sure? In some epistemologically valid way. So, I am declaring then, Barry, that everything you say in this post is false Everything? Absolutely everything? There is no grey, no nuance, no alternative views, no other possibilities? Its all black and white -- you are absolutely right and he is absolutely wrong, without qualification? (I assume it is basically false as well with respect to the other persons who you categorize as being ministered to by the missionary charity of Curtis; but I don't profess to know this for a dead certainty). Let's put it this way, Barry: You are saying Curtis is writing to me for reasons which directly contradict what he formally professes are his reasons. Not referencing Curtis per se, but is it a real stunner that sometimes people are not aware of the full basis and root of their motivations? Are you absolutely in tune with and understand to the depth of your own existence, clear on all of the myriad of motivations typically driving any actions or behaviors? And if you answer yes, how would you really know that. It seems all of us are blind to our delusions and blindspots -- else they would not be blind spots. If your premise is that you have absolutely no blind spots, well, that's fascinating. But again, how would you know? Am I to believe you and believe him to be lying to me? I have conducted an offline correspondence with Curtis, and our interactions within this context would make of Curtis, should you be right in what you say actuates his writing to me, a psychopathic monster. Girlfriends I am sure have called him worse. I will simply say, Barry, you are as inherently wrong about your characterization of Curtis, as I am objectively right in my attribution of his motives in writing to me, Me absolutely right, you absolutely wrong. That is an interesting pattern in your writing and expressed views (as it is in some others at times). viz, that he is utterly sincere and engaged with all his mind and heart. All? No more room for uncovering deeper levels of mind and heart that he has not yet fathomed? Curtis is at the end of his road developmentally? And I let this declaration stand: unless Curtis gainsays what I have said hereor even qualifies it in any wayI will assume that I am right and you, terribly, perversely wrong. Black and white, day and night. (Though I suppose Day for Night might be closer to the truth. That is, for most people, not all things are as the appear to be. Most people accept this, humbly, and practically.) You have never once even attempted to make your case, and you haven't here either. Again, Barry, I challenge Curtis: Is Curtis so slow he needs to be challenged twice? if he refuses to issue any kind of statement in supporteven infinitesimally Even infinitesimally? Not room for even one photon of variance (or in Curtis's case, deviance -- the thrill and nuances of deviance appears to be something, as we all perhaps should enjoy, that Curtis thrives on. Quirky and dancing to the sound of his own drummer. of what you have said are his reasons for writing to me, I will assume, for the record, that you are, at least with respect to myself, egregiously wrong. Egregious. No room for any subtlety or nuance. And that Curtis knows you to be a false witness to his actions. String this savage up for bearing false witness. If I had the very slightest doubt Awesome that you have not here, and appear never to have, the slightest doubt. A mentor, quite bright, has said many times I don't know. Not in some casual way, but really I DONT KNOW!. That state of detachment for me can be liberating, if not unsettling at times. Some traditions (EmptyBill can elaborate) find that state of utter detachment from not knowing anything for sure is on the verge of wisdom. about all that I have said here, Barry, I would
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that I was serious in complimenting Curtis for his compassion and his empathy in being willing to engage in dialogue with these people. My bet is that they're going to take what I wrote and try to make it all about them. That's exactly why I don't deal with them, and don't respect them, but DO respect Curtis. RESPONSE: But Barry, don't you see the irony in all this? You have deprived Curtis of his cover: he has insinuated he is being honest and sincere with me; but in fact his motives (according to you) preclude the possibility of being interested whatsoever in anything I have to say. Now he *can't* write to me without my seeing through his condescension and patronization. You have exposed himDid he intend you to do this? It means, from now on, all his posts to me, and to those other persons, are invalidated as to their real intention, which, after all, is just to minister to the needy, the pitiable, the weak. Now that I know he is not taking me seriously, but is only engaged in a work of compassion and empathy I will not believe him in anything he says to me. I suppose this must be retroactively true as well. Did you get Curtis's permission unmask him, Barry? It seems you have now deprived Curtis of his bona fides to write to any of usand being the egoist that I am, this is especially damaging to my project of preparing people for my Second Enlightenment (vide my post to Sal). No, Barry, I am going to tell Curtis that his friend Barry has told us the truth about why he writes to me (and others here at FFL). You have saved me from what eventually would have been an embarrassment from which I doubt I could ever recover. So, no more posts to Curtis. I just hope Curtis does not get angry with you, Barry, for calling him a liar. Because that is just what he is. Damn you anyway, Curtis. You played me for a fool. And by the way, Barry: Thanks.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson
One of the most important lessons Dad taught us was not to feel like victims. He never felt like a victim; he never talked like a victim. And both of our parents taught us not to think that the government owed us something. They didn't teach us to be mad at this country. - Herman Cain Bhairitu: Of course when your dad grew up the government really didn't do much at all for blacks. Most of the OWS protestors are just leftists out of step with most American voters. From what I've read, most of the protestors don't really want to work, they just want to create anarchy or impose communism; trouble-makers. Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda. Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd: http://tinyurl.com/64ykysj
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com snip A mentor, quite bright, has said many times I don't know. Not in some casual way, but really I DONT KNOW!. That state of detachment for me can be liberating, if not unsettling at times. Some traditions (EmptyBill can elaborate) find that state of utter detachment from not knowing anything for sure is on the verge of wisdom. IMO, no one---I mean no one---on FFL, qualifies what he shares, as in---I Could be wrong or There might be another way to understand this, as Robin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWNja7skJ2Q Doubt is God's gift to those he loves (that might be all us---I DONT KNOW).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson
On 10/19/2011 09:36 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: One of the most important lessons Dad taught us was not to feel like victims. He never felt like a victim; he never talked like a victim. And both of our parents taught us not to think that the government owed us something. They didn't teach us to be mad at this country. - Herman Cain Bhairitu: Of course when your dad grew up the government really didn't do much at all for blacks. Most of the OWS protestors are just leftists out of step with most American voters. From what I've read, most of the protestors don't really want to work, they just want to create anarchy or impose communism; trouble-makers. Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda. Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd: http://tinyurl.com/64ykysj Dumb ol' Willy, acting very silly, still thinks the rich, are going to pee money on him. He's really so silly, believing Willy Nilly, that the rich are going to pee money on him! Silly ol' Willy, believes conservative gangsters, and hopes that they will pee money on him! Someday Willy, maybe won't be so silly, and find instead the very rich have screwed him in the butt instead! Michael Moore: Historians going to wonder why the rich overplayed their hand: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/18/michael-moore-historians-going-to-wonder-why-the-rich-overplayed-their-hand/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Most relaxing musical track created
Most relaxing musical track created turquoiseb: One of the faults I most have to overlook is their choice of dinner music... The most relaxing music is flute music, IMO. This is the one - the 'Flying Beyond CD by Hariprasad Chaurasia - a transcendental experience. Very highly recommended! The Bamboo flute (Bansuri) in both India and Japan is considered to be the original musical instrument, and is noted for being closest to the human singing voice. The richness from the fine nuances of pitch is accomplished by a subtle blowing technique and by partially covering the seven to eight finger holes. Each flute can only play in one scale. Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, born 1938, is an acknoweldged Bansuri master. In 1981, in recognition of his outstanding contribution to music, he was given the National Indian Award of the Sangeet Natak Academy in New Delhi. In 1990, Hari Prasad Chaurasia received the Gaurav Puraskar, one of the most prestigious awards, from the State Government of Maharashtra, India. He also received from the President of India, the coveted Padmabhushan award. Press Reviews: ...full of life, rhythm and vocal inflections, charged by the spirit of true improvisation. - Washington Post ...improvisations that sizzle without ever losing elegance. - The Village Voice Music for deep relaxation and integration of body and mind: http://www.maharishi-gandharva-veda.de/ Flying Beyond By Hariprasad Chaurasia Improvisations on Bansuri (CD AV-89004) Available from 'Eternal Music' P.O. Box 3612 San Rafael, CA. 94912
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@... wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. I'm going to reply to this a second time, less flippantly this time, because I think your ques- tion is a good one, and I might have some insight into it. In my first forays onto TM-related spiritual chat groups, I entered into many, many, far too many long, insane drama-fests myself. *At the time*, it seemed like fun to me, a kind of intellectual sparring, a way to test one's ever-changing theories of How It All Works against other people. I used to get into equally-long and equally-tedious discussions with Judy, and with Lawson, and with others back on a.m.t. And, at the time, it was FUN. At some point, it stopped being fun for me. I kicked back, looked at all of these discussions, and tried to assess whether either I or anyone I had them with had ever seemed to have learned anything from them, based on their subsequent behavior. I came up with zip. Bupkus. These days I'm more into throwing out ideas and seeing what the response to them is. I don't feel any pressing need to defend these ideas, or to debate them with others. I have no need to present my ideas as superior to others; my strong suspicion is that they are not. While I can understand the joys of debating the things one believes, I no longer see value in the practice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson
Most of the OWS protestors are just leftists out of step with most American voters. From what I've read, most of the protestors don't really want to work, they just want to create anarchy or impose communism; trouble-makers. Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda. Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd: http://tinyurl.com/64ykysj Bhairitu: Dumb ol' Willy, acting very silly, still thinks the rich, are going to pee money on him. So, you've got what, $10,000 worth of Asian goods in your house; you drive a Japanese car and burn Saudi oil; you pay $180 to Comcast Corp every month; you own an iPod on AtT; an iPad, and an iMac, all made in China; but Willy is dumb? Go figure. He's really so silly, believing Willy Nilly, that the rich are going to pee money on him! Silly ol' Willy, believes conservative gangsters, and hopes that they will pee money on him! Someday Willy, maybe won't be so silly, and find instead the very rich have screwed him in the butt instead! Michael Moore: Historians going to wonder why the rich overplayed their hand: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/18/michael-moore-historians-going-to-wonder-why-the-rich-overplayed-their-hand/
[FairfieldLife] An anti-shoplifting strategy that probably works
This is how HEMA, a low-end bargain store chain in the Netherlands, deals with shoplifters. Read the comments to see what the sign said about the apprehended felon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKzVWOKsNgU
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Regardless of the amount of words Robin uses, he comes across to me as being open minded, honest, kind and *not* self important. I may disagree with him but he is a very lovable person :-) On Oct 19, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Bob Price bobpri...@yahoo.com wrote: tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com snip A mentor, quite bright, has said many times I don't know. Not in some casual way, but really I DONT KNOW!. That state of detachment for me can be liberating, if not unsettling at times. Some traditions (EmptyBill can elaborate) find that state of utter detachment from not knowing anything for sure is on the verge of wisdom. IMO, no one---I mean no one---on FFL, qualifies what he shares, as in---I Could be wrong or There might be another way to understand this, as Robin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWNja7skJ2Q Doubt is God's gift to those he loves (that might be all us---I DONT KNOW).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Curtis, should you be right in what you say actuates his writing to me, a psychopathic monster. But in my own defense I must say the toying with you in such a disingenuous way, taking the time to create a faux genuine persona, in an expression of my saintly-psyco-pathological personality is a big step up for me from picking up hitchhikers and stuffing them in suitcases to leave in truck stops all along the East Coast. (Did I say East Coast, I mean West Coast, yeah, that's the ticket, West Coast, NOT the East Coast see, not the East Coast.) Seriously, I mean it, NOT the East Coast. Damn I am gunna have to shell out some dough and get that delete key fixed, this is causing some real concern now. I am hereby categorically denying that any suitcases filled with humans found on the East Coast (Not that I know there are any at all) are mine. Wait, that doesn't cover it very well at all. Not the West Coast either. None of them (If there are any and I certainly don't know) are from me. And I didn't leave any in Mexico either. (Shit why did I bring Mexico into this mess!) Especially the blue American Tourister at the 17th mile marker on 95 North of Baltimore. That one (If there is one, and how could I know?) is NOT mine and I did not leave it, pealing out of the parking lot in a blue 1985 Riviera GT at 3:45 in the morning on Aug 15th. I am saying very clearly that this was NOT me. My 1985 blue Riviera GT was parked at home where I was in bed sleeping. My cat can vouch for this. Dear Barry Wright, If you can ever get Curtis to admit that he is, in relationship to myself, acting the part of Mother Theresa, or if he, in his response to my latest post, gives *any* indication that this could possibly be the case, I shall cease posting at FFL. For what you say in this post to be true means the refutation and destruction of my entire philosophy. Since I take as an original premise the idea that I can read more or less the motives of others when they write to myself. So, I am declaring then, Barry, that everything you say in this post is false (I assume it is basically false as well with respect to the other persons who you categorize as being ministered to by the missionary charity of Curtis; but I don't profess to know this for a dead certainty). Let's put it this way, Barry: You are saying Curtis is writing to me for reasons which directly contradict what he formally professes are his reasons. Am I to believe you and believe him to be lying to me? I have conducted an offline correspondence with Curtis, and our interactions within this context would make of Curtis, should you be right in what you say actuates his writing to me, a psychopathic monster. I will simply say, Barry, you are as inherently wrong about your characterization of Curtis, as I am objectively right in my attribution of his motives in writing to me, viz, that he is utterly sincere and engaged with all his mind and heart. And I let this declaration stand: unless Curtis gainsays what I have said hereor even qualifies it in any wayI will assume that I am right and you, terribly, perversely wrong. You have never once even attempted to make your case, and you haven't here either. Again, Barry, I challenge Curtis: if he refuses to issue any kind of statement in supporteven infinitesimallyof what you have said are his reasons for writing to me, I will assume, for the record, that you are, at least with respect to myself, egregiously wrong. And that Curtis knows you to be a false witness to his actions. If I had the very slightest doubt about all that I have said here, Barry, I would stop posting at FFL and personally thank you for performing a service that no one else has been able to perform for me: demonstrating that I am, when it really comes down to it, a neurotic human being who seeks the attention of others because of the shallowness of his soul. By the way, I refuse to let anyone compensate for me. Do you get this, Barry? Think about that. Robin --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 18, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Robin is having trouble posting this, so I'm doing it for him: Maybe his email program is bored out of its mind by his mind-numbingly long-winded posts, and has decided to rebel. Hey Sal, I have to take part of the credit or blame for the length since I produced my half of it. And I can certainly see how from the outside this beast is just too much to bear! Seriously. But I defend the charge that Robin is just sending out monologues to strangers here. This is one of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Most relaxing musical track created
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardwillytexwilliams willytex@... wrote: Most relaxing musical track created turquoiseb: One of the faults I most have to overlook is their choice of dinner music... The most relaxing music is flute music, IMO. This is the one - the 'Flying Beyond CD by Hariprasad Chaurasia - a transcendental experience. Very highly recommended! The Bamboo flute (Bansuri) in both India and Japan is considered to be the original musical instrument, and is noted for being closest to the human singing voice. The richness from the fine nuances of pitch is accomplished by a subtle blowing technique and by partially covering the seven to eight finger holes. Each flute can only play in one scale. Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, born 1938, is an acknoweldged Bansuri master. In 1981, in recognition of his outstanding contribution to music, he was given the National Indian Award of the Sangeet Natak Academy in New Delhi. In 1990, Hari Prasad Chaurasia received the Gaurav Puraskar, one of the most prestigious awards, from the State Government of Maharashtra, India. He also received from the President of India, the coveted Padmabhushan award. You forgot to mention that this most world renown flutist has done the bulk of his recordings for Maharishi Gandharvaved, was Maharishi's most cherised musiscian and a long time TM'er. Press Reviews: ...full of life, rhythm and vocal inflections, charged by the spirit of true improvisation. - Washington Post ...improvisations that sizzle without ever losing elegance. - The Village Voice Music for deep relaxation and integration of body and mind: http://www.maharishi-gandharva-veda.de/
[FairfieldLife] Suicide of a Superpower
Pat Buchanan says we need strong moral codes and unity. I've come up with a 108 - 108 - 108 to implement Pat's proposals: Get the Chinese to fund Pundit and Yogic Flyer programs. Also, Apostates will be shunned. That's about it. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2011/10/18/pat-buchanans-controversial-suicide-superpower
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin
On Oct 19, 2011, at 12:52 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Curtis, should you be right in what you say actuates his writing to me, a psychopathic monster. But in my own defense I must say the toying with you in such a disingenuous way, taking the time to create a faux genuine persona, in an expression of my saintly-psyco-pathological personality is a big step up for me from picking up hitchhikers and stuffing them in suitcases to leave in truck stops all along the East Coast. (Did I say East Coast, I mean West Coast, yeah, that's the ticket, West Coast, NOT the East Coast see, not the East Coast.) Seriously, I mean it, NOT the East Coast. Damn I am gunna have to shell out some dough and get that delete key fixed, this is causing some real concern now. I am hereby categorically denying that any suitcases filled with humans found on the East Coast (Not that I know there are any at all) are mine. Wait, that doesn't cover it very well at all. Not the West Coast either. None of them (If there are any and I certainly don't know) are from me. And I didn't leave any in Mexico either. (Shit why did I bring Mexico into this mess!) Especially the blue American Tourister at the 17th mile marker on 95 North of Baltimore. That one (If there is one, and how could I know?) is NOT mine and I did not leave it, pealing out of the parking lot in a blue 1985 Riviera GT at 3:45 in the morning on Aug 15th. I am saying very clearly that this was NOT me. My 1985 blue Riviera GT was parked at home where I was in bed sleeping. My cat can vouch for this. But what does he know? And how do you know he doesn't know? Maybe he does. Or maybe he knows but he doesn't know that he knows. Face it, Curtis~~ YOU DON'T KNOW whether he KNOWS or he DOESN'T KNOW, gaddamit. And any attempt by you or anyone else to pretend that they DO KNOW what he knows is just doubting God. But I don't really know that. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson
On 10/19/2011 10:06 AM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: Most of the OWS protestors are just leftists out of step with most American voters. From what I've read, most of the protestors don't really want to work, they just want to create anarchy or impose communism; trouble-makers. Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda. Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd: http://tinyurl.com/64ykysj Bhairitu: Dumb ol' Willy, acting very silly, still thinks the rich, are going to pee money on him. So, you've got what, $10,000 worth of Asian goods in your house; you drive a Japanese car and burn Saudi oil; you pay $180 to Comcast Corp every month; you own an iPod on AtT; an iPad, and an iMac, all made in China; but Willy is dumb? Go figure. Now you're really going to look dumb: For one thing I drive a 13 year old Subaru that was built in the US. I only have cable from Comcast so I don't pay $180 to them. Nope, I don't have an iPod nor an iPad. I have an old iMac that I'm taking to recycling. It was only used for one project for referencing but the client didn't want it back. By then Apple had jumped to the OS X platform and the Blueberry wasn't upgradeable. It has been gathering dust since then. So check your math and don't give up your day job to be a psychic. But you could probably toss a rock and hit some folks on FFL that have all that stuff.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
On 10/19/2011 10:00 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@... wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. I'm going to reply to this a second time, less flippantly this time, because I think your ques- tion is a good one, and I might have some insight into it. In my first forays onto TM-related spiritual chat groups, I entered into many, many, far too many long, insane drama-fests myself. *At the time*, it seemed like fun to me, a kind of intellectual sparring, a way to test one's ever-changing theories of How It All Works against other people. I used to get into equally-long and equally-tedious discussions with Judy, and with Lawson, and with others back on a.m.t. And, at the time, it was FUN. As my buddy on my TM Sidhis course said, these people have overstimulated intellects. Years later I found out why and that is because agni mantras like Saraswati mantras will over stimulate the intellect unless balancing measures are taken. People also become more vata practicing them and will tend to ramble when they write. I also detect that anyone that writes pages of text here is vata imbalanced. That is a typical trait and results in someone living in their own cerebral world. This is something I took from MMY's discussion on the intellect and observed with intellectuals I met since. FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
On 10/19/2011 09:00 AM, maskedzebra wrote: Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. Frankly I didn't realize he was even part of what appeared to be another one of Robin's gigantic monologues when I posted what I did. And for me it wouldn't matter much what great ideas Robin supposedly came up with if the only way he could get them across was to beat people over the head with sheer voluminosity, over and over again. Life is way too short. Dear Sal Sunshine, Let me make a confession to you, Sal: you will be shocked, but given the searching and honest appraisal you have given of my posts at FFL, I think, finally, you are the person to whom I must reveal this. It—this disclosure—is going to set me back some, but no matter; what is important is that I finally level with all the readers at FFL, especially yourself, Sal, who only hints at the deep and thoughtful philosophy within which you are determine to live your remaining days on this earth. Here it is, Sal: I—utterly against my will—slipped into Unity again. This happened as a direct effect of one of those powerful confrontations of me by your friend in Europe. As you can imagine this was to say the least unexpected and even traumatic. But now I will have to make the best of it. So in order to create a following—for when I announce I am once again enlightened—I have chosen the most worthy foe on FFL: Curtis. These insane drama-fests, I admit, never occur in life, only in literature. Or, if you like, bad literature. There should never been anything serious, dangerous, demanding posted at FFL. Life doesn't hurt; it's all sunshine after all. snip So Robin, are you an acharya? To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin
On Oct 19, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote: FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software. Bhair, if you're talking bout Barry's, his look just fine to me and come out in my replies formatted just right also. OTOH, yours don't. They come out like the above, one line going all the way over, than only one word on the next line, all through the text. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin
On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software. Bhair, if you're talking bout Barry's, his look just fine to me and come out in my replies formatted just right also. OTOH, yours don't. They come out like the above, one line going all the way over, than only one word on the next line, all through the text. Um, actually now yours are fine too. But they weren't when I composed the reply. Oh, well. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: As my buddy on my TM Sidhis course said, these people have overstimulated intellects. Years later I found out why and that is because agni mantras like Saraswati mantras will over stimulate the intellect unless balancing measures are taken. People also become more vata practicing them and will tend to ramble when they write. Isn't it good enough that you just don't dig what we are serving up? Not your cup of tea. This attempt to make it into a pathology just makes you look like you can't get beyond your own personal preferences and understand that other people are interested in different things. And the ancient texts that invented the thoery you are proposing here are very long, I've read both the Charaka and Shushruta Samhitas. Lots of words, pages of them. Did Charak suffer from this malady you describe? And don't even try the angle that he was not wordy, the dude extolled the benefits of his quackery in glowing flowery terms like adjectives on parade. Did you know that mentally ill people might be possessed not only by a demon, but by a god? In this case you need to do a puja to the god rather than an exorcism. My only problem is that they recommend crocodile semen as medicine but fail to describe the process for how to collect it? I'm thinking you need to dress up as on of those sexy crocs you see in Disney movies with the tutu and the long eyelashes. I also detect that anyone that writes pages of text here is vata imbalanced. That is a typical trait and results in someone living in their own cerebral world. This is something I took from MMY's discussion on the intellect and observed with intellectuals I met since. You sure got a fancy name for being judgmental son. Robin and I are writing about what interests us using as many words as it takes. I don't have to read into your preference to hit delete to mean that there is something wrong with you. You are trying to sell your preference as if we have a problem. I wonder what mantra causes that? FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software. On 10/19/2011 10:00 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. I'm going to reply to this a second time, less flippantly this time, because I think your ques- tion is a good one, and I might have some insight into it. In my first forays onto TM-related spiritual chat groups, I entered into many, many, far too many long, insane drama-fests myself. *At the time*, it seemed like fun to me, a kind of intellectual sparring, a way to test one's ever-changing theories of How It All Works against other people. I used to get into equally-long and equally-tedious discussions with Judy, and with Lawson, and with others back on a.m.t. And, at the time, it was FUN. As my buddy on my TM Sidhis course said, these people have overstimulated intellects. Years later I found out why and that is because agni mantras like Saraswati mantras will over stimulate the intellect unless balancing measures are taken. People also become more vata practicing them and will tend to ramble when they write. I also detect that anyone that writes pages of text here is vata imbalanced. That is a typical trait and results in someone living in their own cerebral world. This is something I took from MMY's discussion on the intellect and observed with intellectuals I met since. FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An anti-shoplifting strategy that probably works
Barry, That was a blast! But it's not going work here in the USA. It takes too much time and money to stage that prank. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: This is how HEMA, a low-end bargain store chain in the Netherlands, deals with shoplifters. Read the comments to see what the sign said about the apprehended felon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKzVWOKsNgU
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
So in order to create a followingfor when I announce I am once again enlightenedI have chosen the most worthy foe on FFL: Curtis... Bhairitu: So Robin, are you an acharya? The term 'acharya' means teacher in Hindi, so yes, Robin seems to have been made a TM Teacher by Maharishi. Robin's name used to be on the TMO appoved list, but I can't find a 'Bhairitu' listed. Can you provide any evidence that you are a TM Teacher? Thanks. From what I've read on FFL, there are a number of TM Teachers on this list: Barry Wright once had his photo included on TMO literature; Billy provided a photo of himself shaking hands with Charlie Lutes; Curtis used to be a TMO Cordinator, according to a press interview; Buck lives in Fairfield and Rick obviously used to the a TM Teacher with a dome pass. But, I've seem zero evidence that Joe or Vaj were ever anything but bullshiters. Before I put your name in the informants pile, let us know if you are an acharya. Apparently I'm the only TMer that meditates inside a Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Lindsay Lohan in Trouble Again
This girl needs help big time. It's apparent that she is running a very malefic period in her jyotish chart. She should get out of LA as soon as possible. She should live in another state to change her bad karma. She should also live in another country if that's feasible. http://movies.yahoo.com/news/lohan-custody-judge-finds-probation-issue-180726470.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: A History Lesson
Dumb ol' Willy, acting very silly, still thinks the rich, are going to pee money on him. So, you've got what, $10,000 worth of Asian goods in your house; you drive a Japanese car and burn Saudi oil; you pay $180 to Comcast Corp every month; you own an iPod on AtT; an iPad, and an iMac, all made in China; but Willy is dumb? Go figure. Bhairitu: Now you're really going to look dumb... OK, so you've only got $9,000 worth of Asian goods in your house. No iPod or iPhone? Some corporate protestor you turned out to be! Go figure. For one thing I drive a 13 year old Subaru that was built in the US. I only have cable from Comcast so I don't pay $180 to them. Nope, I don't have an iPod nor an iPad. I have an old iMac that I'm taking to recycling. It was only used for one project for referencing but the client didn't want it back. By then Apple had jumped to the OS X platform and the Blueberry wasn't upgradeable. It has been gathering dust since then. So check your math and don't give up your day job to be a psychic. But you could probably toss a rock and hit some folks on FFL that have all that stuff.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin
On 10/19/2011 12:16 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Bhairitu wrote: FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software. Bhair, if you're talking bout Barry's, his look just fine to me and come out in my replies formatted just right also. OTOH, yours don't. They come out like the above, one line going all the way over, than only one word on the next line, all through the text. Sal What you quoted of mine formats just fine in Thunderbird. If your browser pane is too small on the web site it may not format properly but most people have newer widescreen monitors that have plenty of room to display lines. But Turq is about the only person who does archaic hard returns. Nobody should have to go out of their way to format for web forums.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Iceland Midnight Sun
Psychedelic! Thanks Marek. I'm gunna run it from my Ipad to my Plazma and totally trip next! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, marekreavis reavismarek@... wrote: A beautiful time lapse video taken this last summer. http://vimeo.com/30581015
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
On 10/19/2011 12:22 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitunoozguru@... wrote: As my buddy on my TM Sidhis course said, these people have overstimulated intellects. Years later I found out why and that is because agni mantras like Saraswati mantras will over stimulate the intellect unless balancing measures are taken. People also become more vata practicing them and will tend to ramble when they write. Isn't it good enough that you just don't dig what we are serving up? Not your cup of tea. This attempt to make it into a pathology just makes you look like you can't get beyond your own personal preferences and understand that other people are interested in different things. And the ancient texts that invented the thoery you are proposing here are very long, I've read both the Charaka and Shushruta Samhitas. Lots of words, pages of them. Did Charak suffer from this malady you describe? And don't even try the angle that he was not wordy, the dude extolled the benefits of his quackery in glowing flowery terms like adjectives on parade. Did you know that mentally ill people might be possessed not only by a demon, but by a god? In this case you need to do a puja to the god rather than an exorcism. My only problem is that they recommend crocodile semen as medicine but fail to describe the process for how to collect it? I'm thinking you need to dress up as on of those sexy crocs you see in Disney movies with the tutu and the long eyelashes. I also detect that anyone that writes pages of text here is vata imbalanced. That is a typical trait and results in someone living in their own cerebral world. This is something I took from MMY's discussion on the intellect and observed with intellectuals I met since. You sure got a fancy name for being judgmental son. Robin and I are writing about what interests us using as many words as it takes. I don't have to read into your preference to hit delete to mean that there is something wrong with you. You are trying to sell your preference as if we have a problem. I wonder what mantra causes that? I was responding to Sal and Turq's comments on the drama fests so I guess you have to include them too. A more western term for vata imbalance would be neurosis. You tend to be more readable that Robin though. In the non-meditator world long winded posts are regarded as written by crazy people unless you are reading articles by professional writers who are so good that before you know it you've read several pages. That's kind of like not noticing a 2 hour movies took that long. Some film makers are good at doing that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Yep, I agree. Robin is full of heart and kindness, even though I can't always summon the patience to read what he writes. Part of it are the religious references. Leave religion in the dust where it belongs - let's cut to the chase. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Regardless of the amount of words Robin uses, he comes across to me as being open minded, honest, kind and *not* self important. I may disagree with him but he is a very lovable person :-) On Oct 19, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: tartbrain no_re...@yahoogroups.com snip A mentor, quite bright, has said many times I don't know. Not in some casual way, but really I DONT KNOW!. That state of detachment for me can be liberating, if not unsettling at times. Some traditions (EmptyBill can elaborate) find that state of utter detachment from not knowing anything for sure is on the verge of wisdom. IMO, no one---I mean no one---on FFL, qualifies what he shares, as in---I Could be wrong or There might be another way to understand this, as Robin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWNja7skJ2Q Doubt is God's gift to those he loves (that might be all us---I DONT KNOW).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
On 10/19/2011 12:41 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote: So in order to create a following—for when I announce I am once again enlightened—I have chosen the most worthy foe on FFL: Curtis... Bhairitu: So Robin, are you an acharya? The term 'acharya' means teacher in Hindi, so yes, Robin seems to have been made a TM Teacher by Maharishi. TM teachers, of which I am one, are certainly NOT archaryas. There is some doubt in circles that even MMY ever achieved acharya level. I am not an archarya in the Kali Sadhaka tradition. I am only a Sidh tantric and have yet to even achieve tantric shastri. The titles may change a little from tradition to tradition. Someone on another forum once informed that Kashmiri Shaivism has a set of levels too. An archarya has the license to make new teachers. As Sidh tantric in my tradition I can teach meditation, give shaktipat and do some tantric cures and rituals. But I cannot initiate new tantrics. That requires the acharya level. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Most relaxing musical track created
One of the faults I most have to overlook is their choice of dinner music... The most relaxing music is flute music, IMO. nablusoss1008: You forgot to mention that this most world renown flutist has done the bulk of his recordings for Maharishi Gandharvaved, was Maharishi's most cherised musiscian and a long time TM'er. See link below to www.maharishi-gandharva-veda http://www.maharishi-gandharva-veda . This is the single most sublime and transcendant musical work that I have ever come across. - D. Trail http://tinyurl.com/3o3zhht Amazon Review: 'Flying Beyond: Improvisations on Bamboo Flute' Hari Prasad Chaurasia http://tinyurl.com/3o3zhht http://tinyurl.com/3o3zhht This is the one - the 'Flying Beyond CD by Hariprasad Chaurasia - a transcendental experience. Very highly recommended! The Bamboo flute (Bansuri) in both India and Japan is considered to be the original musical instrument, and is noted for being closest to the human singing voice. The richness from the fine nuances of pitch is accomplished by a subtle blowing technique and by partially covering the seven to eight finger holes. Each flute can only play in one scale. Pandit Hariprasad Chaurasia, born 1938, is an acknoweldged Bansuri master. In 1981, in recognition of his outstanding contribution to music, he was given the National Indian Award of the Sangeet Natak Academy in New Delhi. In 1990, Hari Prasad Chaurasia received the Gaurav Puraskar, one of the most prestigious awards, from the State Government of Maharashtra, India. He also received from the President of India, the coveted Padmabhushan award. Press Reviews: ...full of life, rhythm and vocal inflections, charged by the spirit of true improvisation. - Washington Post ...improvisations that sizzle without ever losing elegance. - The Village Voice Music for deep relaxation and integration of body and mind: http://www.maharishi-gandharva-veda.de/ http://www.maharishi-gandharva-veda.de/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
What I meant by your shriveled little heart is when I look into the negative space of what you write on here (I mean that dimensionally as used to describe art, not judgmentally), with your rants and other expressions of meanness, I cannot but help conclude that there is some steaming pile of festering Barry that you ain't facing. It isn't really there, but I have found a tendency in most humans to ignore our side that is really driving the works. True balance is achieved by looking at all of it, not as an obsessive check-marking, but just being in balance, looking at everything. When you engage in your game of button pushing, it is basically a very safe way of interacting with the forum, as is already making your prejudices known in what you write. There is no variety to it. It is choosing the most obvious ways to affront others, with the natural result that you win, because gee, that's not the way they are accustomed to speaking with and treating others, and here comes Barry, throwing poo everywhere - Oh look, you flinched! But there is a lot more to any of us than such a simple and dare I say neurotic game. Actually engaging in discussions of life, as the one ongoing between Curtis and RC. So I conclude in my utmost prejudice that maybe some self-reflection would be helpful for you, before summarily returning to your insults and antagonism here on FFL. Its not that I particularly mind them. Its just that you have become a one trick pony, and on here you can't just be the same old boring tired catalyst of getting people to flinch. Responding intelligently would be a huge step forward, minus the snark. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: If it helps, I do not remember having said unflattering words about you, so if I did they were in passing, and possibly in jest. I think your 'tude is both sane and rational, more than I can say about those who choose to obsess on me. Especially the ones who claim to be enlightened, and yet obsess anyway. What a wonder I must be to distract them from their one-pointed focus on eternity in such a way. My shriveled little heart thanks you for your wisdom, and wishes more TMers could learn from it. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: If anyone notices, I have torn at the Turq many times. I do recall the Turq has mentioned some unflattering words towards obba too. The difference is I do not spend my whole time taking every one of his words as a pain in the ass, and if he makes any sense, I leave him alone haha. What shocks me the most is when a TM Meditator, tears his ass as some kind of outside the movement freak. That is disturbing to me, because if one is getting inner peace, why would one feel threatened by Turq's comments about TM, to the point of lashing out? Judy has pointed out many times the Turq has made an error in his use of TM words, and many others, haha, and at that point, there is no need for someone like me to step in because she called it and many times rightfully so. (Judy is goddess to me.) I am sure if I was hanging out in Amsterdam with the Turq, at a coffee house, rolling a...uh, whatever they have to roll there, and I said I had to take my 20, he may roll his eyes, at the same time respect my time into the Transcendence, as I feel that what works for me. I do not live TM like a cult and if other's do, that is their problem and not mine. : ) Barry is doing a pretty good job showing me the dark side of the movement mind set, yet I still like my TM..so far, I think. ; ) This is where, Barry, can be free of my not, theaten lil Barry and his shriveled heart.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
whynotnow7: What I meant by your shriveled little heart is when I look into the negative space of what you write on here (I mean that dimensionally as used to describe art, not judgmentally), with your rants and other expressions of meanness, I cannot but help conclude that there is some steaming pile of festering Barry that you ain't facing... Turq reminds me of the one about the used car salesman. Customer comes in and says he is interested in buying a used car. Salesman: Look at this beauty - nice vinyl top, quieter ride inside, and higher resale value. Next customer comes in to see the same used car salesman. Salesman: Look at this beauty - no vinyl top, no roof rust, and it has a higher resale value!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: As my buddy on my TM Sidhis course said, these people have overstimulated intellects. Years later I found out why and that is because agni mantras like Saraswati mantras will over stimulate the intellect unless balancing measures are taken. People also become more vata practicing them and will tend to ramble when they write. Isn't it good enough that you just don't dig what we are serving up? Not your cup of tea. This attempt to make it into a pathology just makes you look like you can't get beyond your own personal preferences and understand that other people are interested in different things. And the ancient texts that invented the thoery you are proposing here are very long, I've read both the Charaka and Shushruta Samhitas. Lots of words, pages of them. Did Charak suffer from this malady you describe? And don't even try the angle that he was not wordy, the dude extolled the benefits of his quackery in glowing flowery terms like adjectives on parade. Did you know that mentally ill people might be possessed not only by a demon, but by a god? In this case you need to do a puja to the god rather than an exorcism. My only problem is that they recommend crocodile semen as medicine but fail to describe the process for how to collect it? I'm thinking you need to dress up as on of those sexy crocs you see in Disney movies with the tutu and the long eyelashes. Curtis, How can we judge something without understanding the time, place, context and the people that were being addressed to? May be crocodile semen was a metaphor, a joke perhaps that you were out of your fucking mind that there could be a medicine for that ailment and others around had a big belly laugh. Your distrust of anything and everything Eastern borders on paranoia sometimes, may be a lot happened during your time in the TM cult that perhaps explains it but it is one of the things that bothers me personally, coming as it from a person who otherwise comes across as being very open-minded and intelligent. I also detect that anyone that writes pages of text here is vata imbalanced. That is a typical trait and results in someone living in their own cerebral world. This is something I took from MMY's discussion on the intellect and observed with intellectuals I met since. You sure got a fancy name for being judgmental son. Robin and I are writing about what interests us using as many words as it takes. I don't have to read into your preference to hit delete to mean that there is something wrong with you. You are trying to sell your preference as if we have a problem. I wonder what mantra causes that? FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software. On 10/19/2011 10:00 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshinesalsunshine@ wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 3:06 AM, turquoiseb wrote: I, too, thank Curtis for his explanation. I do not share his fascination with either the people he gets into long-winded discussions with, or with any of their ideas, but it's probably good that someone does. As much as I love Curtis, sometimes I see him as the Patron Saint Of The Terminally Self Important. I've never understood why Curtis gets into these insane drama-fests either. But I suppose it fulfills some need. I'm going to reply to this a second time, less flippantly this time, because I think your ques- tion is a good one, and I might have some insight into it. In my first forays onto TM-related spiritual chat groups, I entered into many, many, far too many long, insane drama-fests myself. *At the time*, it seemed like fun to me, a kind of intellectual sparring, a way to test one's ever-changing theories of How It All Works against other people. I used to get into equally-long and equally-tedious discussions with Judy, and with Lawson, and with others back on a.m.t. And, at the time, it was FUN. As my buddy on my TM Sidhis course said, these people have overstimulated intellects. Years later I found out why and that is because agni mantras like Saraswati mantras will over stimulate the intellect unless balancing measures are taken. People also become more vata practicing them and will tend to ramble when they write. I also detect that anyone that writes pages of text here is vata imbalanced. That is a typical trait and results in someone living in their own cerebral world. This is
[FairfieldLife] Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW III
From:*Ashutosh Urs Dear Friends, The story summarized below as it was presented in the Family chat of Maharishi channel (link given), was something I remember very well. Maharishi said in December 1977: There is an iron sward hanging on a silken thread over Germany, every Meditator of Germany should go and learn the Sidhis and Yogic flying in the course organized in Fehman. The only fact we heard in the news were that the Warsaw Pact nations were doing maneuver in East Germany. An other fact was, that up to 31st December it was a very mild winter with temperatures above 10. ' What surprisingly happened was a sudden snow fall and drastic drop of temperature on 31st and it turned into a natural catastrophy, people even died on the high ways as they got stuck and froze to death. That was all going on during the course that started around Christmas. Maharishi like every year went into his annual silence from 31st night to 7th Jan. night. When he came out the first thing he asked was about the course in Fehmarn. We replied: That yes its doing well, so many started flying etc. but there was extreme cold wave hitting north Europe. Maharishi: We changed a world catastrophy into a nature catastrophy. Only later, when the German Magazine Spiegel published a report that the maneuver of the Warsaw Pact was in fact a planned attack we understood the full picture. Nuclear war prevented by Maharishi's Technology of Consciousness: Historical look at Germany, 1978 by Global Good New staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article http://globalgoodnews.info/world-peace-a.html?art=1293225978106148548#t\ ranslate 24 December 2010 How many times has the world come close to nuclear warand how many times has the danger been inexplicably averted, and by what means? The Administrator of the Global Country of World Peace http://www.vedicpandits.org/initiative-gcwp.html for Germany, spoke of dramatic events in December, 1978which became a turning point in history, leading ultimately to the peaceful unification of Europe. But they began by moving in the opposite direction, he said: a deliberate march over the precipice to nuclear war. He began* by explaining that 'Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi.h\ tml , Founder of the Transcendental Meditation Programme http://www.tm.org/ and the Global Country of World Peace, dedicated 1978 as the Year of Invincibility for Every Nation.' This was the height of the Cold War, and Germany was a potential battlefield between Warsaw Pact countries and NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization). In July 1978, the largest military maneuvers since World War II took place in East and West Germany. Soviet submarines were frequently sighted in the Baltic Sea, but most people went about their lives without much alarm, he recalled. However, 'Maharishi saw the imminent danger, and made it very clear that the survival of Germany was at stake,' the Administrator said. 'Maharishi created a courseCentre Invincibility Course for the Survival of Germany. That was the official name.' The course began in October 1978. Approximately 1,500 people in Germany and neighboring countries applied for the course to learn the Transcendental Meditation Sidhi Programme http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/sidhi.html , an advanced programme for those already practising Transcendental Meditation. The Administrator continued, 'At Christmastime, Maharishi called all the course participants together, to the island of Fehmarn in the Baltic Sea, to learn Yogic Flying http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/yogic_flying.html , the ''super technology of Invincibility http://www.invincibility.org/ ''. 'Maharishi's knowledge has two aspects: individual consciousness and collective consciousness,' he explained. 'Two hundred fifty thousand Germans know how beautiful it is to transcend, to experience inner bliss and calmness. But the collective influence of their meditation, and especially group practise of Yogic Flying, creates a peaceful influence for 80 million people of Germany. It's a gift from Nature.' * This report was originally featured in Global Good News on 15 December 2009; it is being repeated in honour of the Christmas holiday this year. Part II of this series featured an account of what happened next, as the historic events of December 1978 in Cold War Germany continued to unfoldand the powerful coherence http://www.invincibledefense.org/coherence.html and bliss generated in collective consciousness by Maharishi's special Invincibility course neutralized the imminent danger of nuclear war threatening the nation and the world. Subsequent articles featured the in-depth perspective of Lt Col Gunter Chassé, a decorated officer of the German Air Force (retired), who is Deputy Minister of Invincible Defence http://www.invincibledefense.org/ for the Global Country of World Peace. © Copyright 2010 Global Good News® Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
So Robin, are you an acharya? The term 'acharya' means teacher in Hindi, so yes, Robin seems to have been made a TM Teacher by Maharishi. Bhairitu: TM teachers, of which I am one, are certainly NOT archaryas. That's great, but I was never made a 'TM Teacher' by Maharishi. That's because I was a Zen Master years before I even met up with MMY. I can teach meditation to anyone I want to, as long as I don't call it 'TM'. So, that makes me at least a level seven siddhacharya and I can do rituals too. Go ahead - ask me a spiritual question. There is some doubt in circles that even MMY ever achieved acharya level. I am not an archarya in the Kali Sadhaka tradition. I am only a Sidh tantric and have yet to even achieve tantric shastri. The titles may change a little from tradition to tradition. Someone on another forum once informed that Kashmiri Shaivism has a set of levels too. An archarya has the license to make new teachers. As Sidh tantric in my tradition I can teach meditation, give shaktipat and do some tantric cures and rituals. But I cannot initiate new tantrics. That requires the acharya level.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Ravi: Curtis, How can we judge something without understanding the time, place, context and the people that were being addressed to? ME: I do, it was an ancient system of medicine that was the best they could do then. Now we can do better. Not perfect. But better. They didn't understand the circulation of blood then. They thought the heart functioned as we now understand our brain functions. We straightened that out. That is progress in understanding. R: May be crocodile semen was a metaphor, a joke perhaps that you were out of your fucking mind that there could be a medicine for that ailment and others around had a big belly laugh. ME: Read the book, it is literal. Your challenge should have been, maybe there really is something in he big Croc's love juice that we haven't tested. Then you would have had me dead to rights! Ravi: Your distrust of anything and everything Eastern borders on paranoia sometimes, ME: Would it help to know that any medical advice from that era from any country is treated with the same level of skepticism? To their credit they got the usefulness of leaches and maggots right, they just used them wrong. I really can't apologize for believing in human progress in the field of medicine. Ravi: may be a lot happened during your time in the TM cult that perhaps explains it ME: No it is just understanding how knowledge grows in science. It is not an indictment to them for not knowing what we know now. And I am open to the idea that there is much undiscovered in ancient systems of medicine once we test them today. I am just not into taking them at face value as if they knew much more then than we do now. Ravi: but it is one of the things that bothers me personally, coming as it from a person who otherwise comes across as being very open-minded and intelligent. ME: Sorry for the first part and thanks for the second part. If it is any consolation I just made the best idly and uttapam from scratch you have ever had using a sourdough culture from Africa to make them sour perfectly. I think I could convince you that I am not an Indian culture hater in one meal, I promise you. The deal in the movement is that they elevated Indian culture to being the one most in tune with nature's laws and took their scriptures, even the medical ones as God revealed truth. Rejecting that view doesn't mean that I can't enjoy and appreciate them on another level. And remember, I am the one who took the time to seriously read them. I hope you do someday and get back to me with your impressions of the value of applying the knowledge today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: As my buddy on my TM Sidhis course said, these people have overstimulated intellects. Years later I found out why and that is because agni mantras like Saraswati mantras will over stimulate the intellect unless balancing measures are taken. People also become more vata practicing them and will tend to ramble when they write. Isn't it good enough that you just don't dig what we are serving up? Not your cup of tea. This attempt to make it into a pathology just makes you look like you can't get beyond your own personal preferences and understand that other people are interested in different things. And the ancient texts that invented the thoery you are proposing here are very long, I've read both the Charaka and Shushruta Samhitas. Lots of words, pages of them. Did Charak suffer from this malady you describe? And don't even try the angle that he was not wordy, the dude extolled the benefits of his quackery in glowing flowery terms like adjectives on parade. Did you know that mentally ill people might be possessed not only by a demon, but by a god? In this case you need to do a puja to the god rather than an exorcism. My only problem is that they recommend crocodile semen as medicine but fail to describe the process for how to collect it? I'm thinking you need to dress up as on of those sexy crocs you see in Disney movies with the tutu and the long eyelashes. Curtis, How can we judge something without understanding the time, place, context and the people that were being addressed to? May be crocodile semen was a metaphor, a joke perhaps that you were out of your fucking mind that there could be a medicine for that ailment and others around had a big belly laugh. Your distrust of anything and everything Eastern borders on paranoia sometimes, may be a lot happened during your time in the TM cult that perhaps explains it but it is one of the things that bothers me personally, coming as it from a person who otherwise comes across as being very open-minded and intelligent. I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW III
That is an amazing story - would make a good movie perhaps. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: From:*Ashutosh Urs Dear Friends, The story summarized below as it was presented in the Family chat of Maharishi channel (link given), was something I remember very well. Maharishi said in December 1977: There is an iron sward hanging on a silken thread over Germany, every Meditator of Germany should go and learn the Sidhis and Yogic flying in the course organized in Fehman. The only fact we heard in the news were that the Warsaw Pact nations were doing maneuver in East Germany. An other fact was, that up to 31st December it was a very mild winter with temperatures above 10. ' What surprisingly happened was a sudden snow fall and drastic drop of temperature on 31st and it turned into a natural catastrophy, people even died on the high ways as they got stuck and froze to death. That was all going on during the course that started around Christmas. Maharishi like every year went into his annual silence from 31st night to 7th Jan. night. When he came out the first thing he asked was about the course in Fehmarn. We replied: That yes its doing well, so many started flying etc. but there was extreme cold wave hitting north Europe. Maharishi: We changed a world catastrophy into a nature catastrophy. Only later, when the German Magazine Spiegel published a report that the maneuver of the Warsaw Pact was in fact a planned attack we understood the full picture. Nuclear war prevented by Maharishi's Technology of Consciousness: Historical look at Germany, 1978 by Global Good New staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article http://globalgoodnews.info/world-peace-a.html?art=1293225978106148548#t\ ranslate 24 December 2010 How many times has the world come close to nuclear warand how many times has the danger been inexplicably averted, and by what means? The Administrator of the Global Country of World Peace http://www.vedicpandits.org/initiative-gcwp.html for Germany, spoke of dramatic events in December, 1978which became a turning point in history, leading ultimately to the peaceful unification of Europe. But they began by moving in the opposite direction, he said: a deliberate march over the precipice to nuclear war. He began* by explaining that 'Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi.h\ tml , Founder of the Transcendental Meditation Programme http://www.tm.org/ and the Global Country of World Peace, dedicated 1978 as the Year of Invincibility for Every Nation.' This was the height of the Cold War, and Germany was a potential battlefield between Warsaw Pact countries and NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization). In July 1978, the largest military maneuvers since World War II took place in East and West Germany. Soviet submarines were frequently sighted in the Baltic Sea, but most people went about their lives without much alarm, he recalled. However, 'Maharishi saw the imminent danger, and made it very clear that the survival of Germany was at stake,' the Administrator said. 'Maharishi created a courseCentre Invincibility Course for the Survival of Germany. That was the official name.' The course began in October 1978. Approximately 1,500 people in Germany and neighboring countries applied for the course to learn the Transcendental Meditation Sidhi Programme http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/sidhi.html , an advanced programme for those already practising Transcendental Meditation. The Administrator continued, 'At Christmastime, Maharishi called all the course participants together, to the island of Fehmarn in the Baltic Sea, to learn Yogic Flying http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/yogic_flying.html , the ''super technology of Invincibility http://www.invincibility.org/ ''. 'Maharishi's knowledge has two aspects: individual consciousness and collective consciousness,' he explained. 'Two hundred fifty thousand Germans know how beautiful it is to transcend, to experience inner bliss and calmness. But the collective influence of their meditation, and especially group practise of Yogic Flying, creates a peaceful influence for 80 million people of Germany. It's a gift from Nature.' * This report was originally featured in Global Good News on 15 December 2009; it is being repeated in honour of the Christmas holiday this year. Part II of this series featured an account of what happened next, as the historic events of December 1978 in Cold War Germany continued to unfoldand the powerful coherence http://www.invincibledefense.org/coherence.html and bliss generated in collective consciousness by Maharishi's special Invincibility course neutralized the imminent danger of nuclear war threatening the nation and the world. Subsequent articles featured the in-depth perspective of Lt Col Gunter
[FairfieldLife] Pedro the Giant Penguin
36-million-year-old remains found in Peru's Paracas National Reserve. The first penguin fossil ever found with evidence of feathers intact. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11420635 Weighed more than a hundred pounds and sported a coat with ruddy feathers.
[FairfieldLife] Napoleon's failed Russian adventure in 1812
http://www.napoleon-series.org/faq/c_russia.html
[FairfieldLife] The Battle of Stalingrad
In a nutshell, from the historylearningsite.uk: [Germans surrounded by Zhukov, unable to break out; frozen]. The bulk of the Sixth Army some 250,000 to 300,000 men - was in the city and Zhukov, having used his resources to go around the city, north and south, had trapped the Germans in Stalingrad. Paulus could have broken out of this trap in the first stages of Zhukov's attack but was forbidden from doing so by Hitler. Supreme Commander to 6 Army, January 24, 1943 Surrender is forbidden. 6 Army will hold their positions to the last man and the last round and by their heroic endurance will make an unforgettable contribution towards the establishment of a defensive front and the salvation of the Western world. Hitler's communication with von Paulus. Unable to break out, the Germans also had to face the winter. Temperatures dropped to well below zero and food, ammunition and heat were in short supply. My hands are done for, and have been ever since the beginning of December. The little finger of my left hand is missing and - what's even worse - the three middle fingers of my right one are frozen. I can only hold my mug with my thumb and little finger. I'm pretty helpless; only when a man has lost any fingers does he see how much he needs then for the smallest jobs. The best thing I can do with the little finger is to shoot with it. My hands are finished. Anonymous German soldier Hitler ordered that Paulus should fight to the last bullet, and to encourage Paulus, he promoted him to field marshal. However, by the end of January 1943, the Germans could do nothing else but surrender. Paulus surrendered the army in the southern sector on January 31st while General Schreck surrendered the northern group on February 2nd, 1943.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW III
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: That is an amazing story - would make a good movie perhaps. In the Age of Enlightenment for sure ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: From:*Ashutosh Urs Dear Friends, The story summarized below as it was presented in the Family chat of Maharishi channel (link given), was something I remember very well. Maharishi said in December 1977: There is an iron sward hanging on a silken thread over Germany, every Meditator of Germany should go and learn the Sidhis and Yogic flying in the course organized in Fehman. The only fact we heard in the news were that the Warsaw Pact nations were doing maneuver in East Germany. An other fact was, that up to 31st December it was a very mild winter with temperatures above 10. ' What surprisingly happened was a sudden snow fall and drastic drop of temperature on 31st and it turned into a natural catastrophy, people even died on the high ways as they got stuck and froze to death. That was all going on during the course that started around Christmas. Maharishi like every year went into his annual silence from 31st night to 7th Jan. night. When he came out the first thing he asked was about the course in Fehmarn. We replied: That yes its doing well, so many started flying etc. but there was extreme cold wave hitting north Europe. Maharishi: We changed a world catastrophy into a nature catastrophy. Only later, when the German Magazine Spiegel published a report that the maneuver of the Warsaw Pact was in fact a planned attack we understood the full picture. Nuclear war prevented by Maharishi's Technology of Consciousness: Historical look at Germany, 1978 by Global Good New staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article http://globalgoodnews.info/world-peace-a.html?art=1293225978106148548#t\ ranslate 24 December 2010 How many times has the world come close to nuclear warand how many times has the danger been inexplicably averted, and by what means? The Administrator of the Global Country of World Peace http://www.vedicpandits.org/initiative-gcwp.html for Germany, spoke of dramatic events in December, 1978which became a turning point in history, leading ultimately to the peaceful unification of Europe. But they began by moving in the opposite direction, he said: a deliberate march over the precipice to nuclear war. He began* by explaining that 'Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi.h\ tml , Founder of the Transcendental Meditation Programme http://www.tm.org/ and the Global Country of World Peace, dedicated 1978 as the Year of Invincibility for Every Nation.' This was the height of the Cold War, and Germany was a potential battlefield between Warsaw Pact countries and NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization). In July 1978, the largest military maneuvers since World War II took place in East and West Germany. Soviet submarines were frequently sighted in the Baltic Sea, but most people went about their lives without much alarm, he recalled. However, 'Maharishi saw the imminent danger, and made it very clear that the survival of Germany was at stake,' the Administrator said. 'Maharishi created a courseCentre Invincibility Course for the Survival of Germany. That was the official name.' The course began in October 1978. Approximately 1,500 people in Germany and neighboring countries applied for the course to learn the Transcendental Meditation Sidhi Programme http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/sidhi.html , an advanced programme for those already practising Transcendental Meditation. The Administrator continued, 'At Christmastime, Maharishi called all the course participants together, to the island of Fehmarn in the Baltic Sea, to learn Yogic Flying http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/yogic_flying.html , the ''super technology of Invincibility http://www.invincibility.org/ ''. 'Maharishi's knowledge has two aspects: individual consciousness and collective consciousness,' he explained. 'Two hundred fifty thousand Germans know how beautiful it is to transcend, to experience inner bliss and calmness. But the collective influence of their meditation, and especially group practise of Yogic Flying, creates a peaceful influence for 80 million people of Germany. It's a gift from Nature.' * This report was originally featured in Global Good News on 15 December 2009; it is being repeated in honour of the Christmas holiday this year. Part II of this series featured an account of what happened next, as the historic events of December 1978 in Cold War Germany continued to unfoldand the powerful coherence http://www.invincibledefense.org/coherence.html and bliss generated in collective
Re: [FairfieldLife] Conversation between Curtis Robin
On 10/19/2011 12:19 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: FYI, just to remind you that hard coded line returns went out of style in the 1980s. Today's email clients word wrap fine. Your posts when viewed on a mobile email client don't wrap well not to mention how the FFL web interface may look on phones and tablets. Leave it up to the software. Bhair, if you're talking bout Barry's, his look just fine to me and come out in my replies formatted just right also. OTOH, yours don't. They come out like the above, one line going all the way over, than only one word on the next line, all through the text. Um, actually now yours are fine too. But they weren't when I composed the reply. Oh, well. Sal Yes that would tend to be true of a message entry form. You can usually switch the format in the message pane or switch back if you don't like that display.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW III
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: That is an amazing story - would make a good movie perhaps. In the Age of Enlightenment for sure ! This is well worth a look for more on this amazing story: http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/07_dec_09.wmv
[FairfieldLife] Pop Quiz
Are You Smarter Than a Wall Street Occupier? New York Magazine: http://tinyurl.com/6fxor52
[FairfieldLife] Quantum levitation!
Way cool: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2011/10/19/quantum-levitation-where-science-videos-dont-get-any-cooler/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: ...I utterly against my will slipped into Unity again. This happened as a direct effect of one of those powerful confrontations of me by your friend in Europe. As you can imagine this was to say the least unexpected and even traumatic. But now I will have to make the best of it. Tell us about this. What did you experience? Why is it traumatic? What is the point of saying 'I will have to make the best of it' when what you say you are experiencing is the only thing that is and can be? If it is not, how can it be unity?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most relaxing musical track created
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:09 PM, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm very sorry to have left you out, Dickie. Your Youtube expostions are also highly sleep inducing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Ravi: Curtis, How can we judge something without understanding the time, place, context and the people that were being addressed to? ME: I do, it was an ancient system of medicine that was the best they could do then. Now we can do better. Not perfect. But better. They didn't understand the circulation of blood then. They thought the heart functioned as we now understand our brain functions. We straightened that out. That is progress in understanding. The important thing IME is to not under-appreciate what these texts are describing. So for example they may describe the solar eagle-Garuda in terms much like a radiant sun (or phoenix) - and their opposite, the serpent Nagas, as opposites. But until you realize that the Sanskrit word naga also means lead, only when you realize they are very precisely describing electromagnetic radiation and lead shielding, do you get that these ancients are describing, from samadhic inquiry into reality, something only relatively recently understood by science. There are many, many similar examples. For example how would an ancient yogi know that to make zinc bioavailable, it needs to be ingested in the presence of certain biochemicals? Well, somehow they did. Same with coral calcium. It's a long list. Plastic surgeons still pay homage to Sushruta as father of their art. Some say the oriental martial arts and acupuncture originate from kalarippayattu. Like I said, it's a long list. While I think it's a good thing to be skeptical after being burned by a phony guru, it's also important to remain open-minded enough to see the actual viable wisdom in the systems of learning they talked about. It's humbling when you realize: most of it's never been translated into western languages, and the stilted Brahmin belief in brahman has relegated much of it to the dust-bins of time.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: An anti-shoplifting strategy that probably works
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:35 PM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: Barry, That was a blast! But it's not going work here in the USA. It takes too much time and money to stage that prank. Unfortunately, you can walk out the door with a shopping cart full of stolen stuff, walk about the loading dock door here in the US and still not get a Customer Service Rep to help you find the coffee mugs. If you manage to find a CSR, they are more clueless than you are where coffee mugs might be but their not at all hesitant to send you to a part of the store that's as far away as you both are right now, so you'll never find them again. Then the cashier will ask you find everything OK?.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW III
Same thing happened in reverse when the first dome at MIU went up, temp rose 50 degrees or something, until the concrete was poured. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: That is an amazing story - would make a good movie perhaps. In the Age of Enlightenment for sure ! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: From:*Ashutosh Urs Dear Friends, The story summarized below as it was presented in the Family chat of Maharishi channel (link given), was something I remember very well. Maharishi said in December 1977: There is an iron sward hanging on a silken thread over Germany, every Meditator of Germany should go and learn the Sidhis and Yogic flying in the course organized in Fehman. The only fact we heard in the news were that the Warsaw Pact nations were doing maneuver in East Germany. An other fact was, that up to 31st December it was a very mild winter with temperatures above 10. ' What surprisingly happened was a sudden snow fall and drastic drop of temperature on 31st and it turned into a natural catastrophy, people even died on the high ways as they got stuck and froze to death. That was all going on during the course that started around Christmas. Maharishi like every year went into his annual silence from 31st night to 7th Jan. night. When he came out the first thing he asked was about the course in Fehmarn. We replied: That yes its doing well, so many started flying etc. but there was extreme cold wave hitting north Europe. Maharishi: We changed a world catastrophy into a nature catastrophy. Only later, when the German Magazine Spiegel published a report that the maneuver of the Warsaw Pact was in fact a planned attack we understood the full picture. Nuclear war prevented by Maharishi's Technology of Consciousness: Historical look at Germany, 1978 by Global Good New staff writer Global Good News Translate This Article http://globalgoodnews.info/world-peace-a.html?art=1293225978106148548#t\ ranslate 24 December 2010 How many times has the world come close to nuclear warand how many times has the danger been inexplicably averted, and by what means? The Administrator of the Global Country of World Peace http://www.vedicpandits.org/initiative-gcwp.html for Germany, spoke of dramatic events in December, 1978which became a turning point in history, leading ultimately to the peaceful unification of Europe. But they began by moving in the opposite direction, he said: a deliberate march over the precipice to nuclear war. He began* by explaining that 'Maharishi Mahesh Yogi http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi.h\ tml , Founder of the Transcendental Meditation Programme http://www.tm.org/ and the Global Country of World Peace, dedicated 1978 as the Year of Invincibility for Every Nation.' This was the height of the Cold War, and Germany was a potential battlefield between Warsaw Pact countries and NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization). In July 1978, the largest military maneuvers since World War II took place in East and West Germany. Soviet submarines were frequently sighted in the Baltic Sea, but most people went about their lives without much alarm, he recalled. However, 'Maharishi saw the imminent danger, and made it very clear that the survival of Germany was at stake,' the Administrator said. 'Maharishi created a courseCentre Invincibility Course for the Survival of Germany. That was the official name.' The course began in October 1978. Approximately 1,500 people in Germany and neighboring countries applied for the course to learn the Transcendental Meditation Sidhi Programme http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/sidhi.html , an advanced programme for those already practising Transcendental Meditation. The Administrator continued, 'At Christmastime, Maharishi called all the course participants together, to the island of Fehmarn in the Baltic Sea, to learn Yogic Flying http://www.permanentpeace.org/technology/yogic_flying.html , the ''super technology of Invincibility http://www.invincibility.org/ ''. 'Maharishi's knowledge has two aspects: individual consciousness and collective consciousness,' he explained. 'Two hundred fifty thousand Germans know how beautiful it is to transcend, to experience inner bliss and calmness. But the collective influence of their meditation, and especially group practise of Yogic Flying, creates a peaceful influence for 80 million people of Germany. It's a gift from Nature.' * This report was originally featured in Global Good News on 15 December 2009; it is being repeated in
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW III
On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:58 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Nuclear war prevented by Maharishi's Technology of Consciousness: Historical look at Germany, 1978 by Global Good New staff writer What deluded, narcissistic consciousness!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Yes, a rather bizarre statement; as if everybody living in the Blue World could object somehow to Blueness. I don't get it. The real question of value imo relates to the historical clash (as Robin points out) between Hinduooism/Buddhism and Christianity; since the M-fields in some respects are irreconciable at least wrt to Fundie Christianity vs Gnosis (salvation is a result of belief/fiath in the former and transcending that in the latter). ... As to Gnostic Christianity, there are only a handful in this category so they presently of little consequence today. The Cathars are dead. ... What's the current Pope's greatest fear, (in his own words)? Buddhism! So go figure. ... What he means is anything relating to Buddhism and/or Hinduism but specifically relating to some historically conflicting mindsets: 1. The Person of Jesus vs Gnosis or Self-Knowledge 2. As a corollary to (1), the importance of the Crucifixion of Jesus as a Redeeming factor; since most of the early Gnostics downplayed or totally ignored the Crucifixion aspect.[Cf. The Gospel of Thomas] 3. Although one can have Gnosis in addition to Redemption through the Sacrificial Crucifixion of Jesus, historically that's not the way things worked out. 4. Pursuant to (1-3); Hindooism/Buddhism might tend to categorize the gruesome death of Jesus as merely bad karma; with no Redemption properties fitting into the equation. ... Then we come to the historical clash, in which Robin mentions the turning point in time - the bombing of Monte Cassino, etc. I would opt for the Roswell Incident as a more important turning point since radioactivity was spread around the desert by the Aliens, symbolic of the forthcoming decades-long Cold War with the threat of Nuclear annihiliation. ... Looking at the present and future, I will conclude (but argue for at a later date presenting evidence); that Christianity will be engulfed by Hindooism and Jesus will be globally recognized as another Hindoo God along with the Vedic and post-Vedic Gods; but not GOD. http://www.scottgbrooks.com/2008_4.html ... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: ...I utterly against my will slipped into Unity again. This happened as a direct effect of one of those powerful confrontations of me by your friend in Europe. As you can imagine this was to say the least unexpected and even traumatic. But now I will have to make the best of it. Tell us about this. What did you experience? Why is it traumatic? What is the point of saying 'I will have to make the best of it' when what you say you are experiencing is the only thing that is and can be? If it is not, how can it be unity?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
On Oct 19, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Vaj wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Ravi: Curtis, How can we judge something without understanding the time, place, context and the people that were being addressed to? ME: I do, it was an ancient system of medicine that was the best they could do then. Now we can do better. Not perfect. But better. They didn't understand the circulation of blood then. They thought the heart functioned as we now understand our brain functions. We straightened that out. That is progress in understanding. The important thing IME is to not under-appreciate what these texts are describing. So for example they may describe the solar eagle-Garuda in terms much like a radiant sun (or phoenix) - and their opposite, the serpent Nagas, as opposites. But until you realize that the Sanskrit word naga also means lead, only when you realize they are very precisely describing electromagnetic radiation and lead shielding, do you get that these ancients are describing, from samadhic inquiry into reality, something only relatively recently understood by science. There are many, many similar examples. For example how would an ancient yogi know that to make zinc bioavailable, it needs to be ingested in the presence of certain biochemicals? Well, somehow they did. Same with coral calcium. It's a long list. Plastic surgeons still pay homage to Sushruta as father of their art. Some say the oriental martial arts and acupuncture originate from kalarippayattu. Like I said, it's a long list. While I think it's a good thing to be skeptical after being burned by a phony guru, it's also important to remain open-minded enough to see the actual viable wisdom in the systems of learning they talked about. It's humbling when you realize: most of it's never been translated into western languages, and the stilted Brahmin belief in brahman has relegated much of it to the dust-bins of time. Well, ain't it a shame That our short little memories Never seem to learn The message of history We keep makin' the same mistakes Over and over and over and over again And then we wonder why We're in the shape we're in Good ol' boys down at the bar Peanuts and politics They think they know it all They don't know much of nothing Even if one of them was to read the newspaper Cover-to-cover That ain't what's going on Journalism's dead and gone Frail grasp on the big picture Light fading and the fog is getting thicker It's a frail grasp on the big picture Dark ages You my love-drunk friend All that red wine and candlelight Soulful conversations That go on until the dawn How many times can you tell your story? How many hangovers can you endure Just to get some snuggling done? You're living in a hollow dream You don't have the slightest notion What long-term love is all about All your romantic liaisons Don't deal with eternal questions like Who left the cap off the freaking toothpaste? Whose turn to take the garbage out? Frail grasp on the big picture You keep on rubbin' that, you're gonna get a blister It's a frail grasp on the big picture I've seen it all before And we pray to our Lord Who we know is American He reigns from on high He speaks to us through middlemen And he shepherds his flock We sing out and we praise His name He supports us in war He presides over football games And the right will prevail All our troubles shall be resolved We have faith in the Lord Unless there's money or sex involved Frail grasp on the big picture Nobody's calling them for roughing up the pitcher It's a frail grasp on the big picture Heaven help us Frail grasp on the big picture All waiting for that miracle elixir Frail grasp on the big picture I don't wonder anymore Frail grasp on the big picture Somebody says, You brought her here so go ahead and kiss her Frail grasp on the big picture Frail grasp on the big picture Light fading and the fog is getting thicker It's a frail grasp on the big picture Frail grasp on the big picture Frail grasp on the big picture -Frail grasp on the big picture The Eagles Long Road Out of Eden
[FairfieldLife] Re: Nature Froze Out Nuclear WW III
F*ck dude, you showed your hand too early Vaj. By dismissing this one event out of hand, you have more in common with those who would agree with everything Maharishi and the TMO has ever said, rather than the vast majority of us, who see this event as a heartening one, one out of many, regardless of its cause. So, to who's credit would *you* wish to ascribe this miraculous event? ...c'mon, its coming into focus...robe...shaved headglasses...not Yoda...sounds like alpha...BET, right! and ti...gerTI, TIBET! right! His-Holiness-The-Dalai-Lama-Hisself! ...thing is, I checked around the Tibetan part of China, and there isn't a trace of the guy... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 4:58 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Nuclear war prevented by Maharishi's Technology of Consciousness: Historical look at Germany, 1978 by Global Good New staff writer What deluded, narcissistic consciousness!
[FairfieldLife] Caesar's Scarlet Cloak
Caesar's magical Scarlet Cloak contributed to the defeat and capture of Vercingetorix. (and plenty of hard work by the Roman soldiers building trenches, traps, and sharpened tree limbs which impaled the Gauls). No Maharishi Effect here. From Penelope's website: Caesar writes that 250,000 infantry and 8,000 cavalry assembled to relieve the besieged town. But the Gauls had difficulty communicating across the Roman siege works that ringed the oppidum and were not able to coordinate their efforts. Now surrounded, themselves, the Romans were able to repel the first assault. At midnight the next day, the Gauls suddenly attacked again, and Vercingetorix led his men out of the town in support. But it was too dark to see and, when the relief army came nearer the Roman defenses, they suddenly found themselves pierced by the goads or tumbled into the pits and impaled themselves, while others were killed by heavy siege spears discharged from the rampart and towers. Before he could even reach the trenches, Vercingetorix heard the army retreating and was forced back behind the town walls. Again, the relief force reassembled: The Gauls knew that unless they broke through the lines they were lost; the Romans, if they could hold their ground, looked forward to the end of all their hardshipson that day, he said, on that very hour, depended the fruits of all their previous battles. There was a desperate struggle. The Gauls filled the trenches with dirt and bundles of sticks, pulled down the breastworks with hooks, and drove the Romans from the towers. But Caesar, his presence marked by a scarlet cloak, attacked with cavalry and additional cohorts. The Gauls broke and fled, the relieving army giving up and returning to their homes. Vercingetorix was forced to surrender and allowed himself to be given up to the Romans. The Gallic chieftain languished in the Tullianum at Rome for five years before being publicly beheaded as part of Caesar's triumph in 46 BC. Two years later, Caesar, himself, was dead.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote: Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin Some thoughts, not arguments or siding with this or that view. More for my own insights and playful viewing of things. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: Dear Barry Wright, MZ: If you can ever get Curtis to admit that he is, in relationship to myself, acting the part of Mother Theresa, or if he, in his response to my latest post, gives *any* indication that this could possibly be the case, I shall cease posting at FFL. For what you say in this post to be true means the refutation and destruction of my entire philosophy. TB: Is that a bad thing. Not your philosophy per se, but anyone's, all of ours. It seems healthy, even necessary, (in the abstract, easier said than done)to periodically come to new insights and realizations that enable one to rather joyfully refute, destroy and abandon ones prior views (and meta-views which may be another way of getting at the term philosophies). RC2: I understand you perfectly here. And of course I would rejoice in having my philosophy destroyedif I could experience it was being destroyed by something truer than itself. But to merely, abstractly, assume this perpetual contingency is a good thing to contemplate would mean that in holding to the validity of one's philosophy (it works for me) I am living it out with reservations, reservations which would inhibit my existential commitments to what is real. I think you misunderstand me here, as if I am saying: It will be the death of me if I am refuted. Not at all. I can both live and adhere to my philosophy as if it is ultimately real without thereby becoming defensive and irrational should it be challenged. You are drawing a conclusion out of what I say which is not in the least implied by the specific way in which I am writing hereand what I seek to convey. MZ: Since I take as an original premise the idea that I can read more or less the motives of others when they write to myself. TB: And how would you know? For sure? In some epistemologically valid way. RC2: How does a clinical psychologist attempt to talk to a patient who is paying him for psychotherapyor a psychoanalyst to an analysand? I am not making the claim that I *infallibly* understand (or read) the motives of others when they write to me; I am only saying, that in some subjective sense, I have the ability to go quite a ways in that direction, enough so, that I can use my perception of motive as part of the arsenal I bring to the debate. Now I believe I was wrong in some very subtle sense about Curtis, and you can see how I have made amends for this in my latest post (directed to him). There could be, except for God (who possesses what Linda Zagzebski refers to as Omnisubjectivity: the property of consciously grasping with perfect accuracy and completeness the first-person perspective of every conscious being. . . this property explains how an omniscient being is able to distinguish between first person and third person knowledge of the same fact, and it explains how an omniscient being is able to know what it is like for conscious creatures to have their distinctive sensations and emotions, minds, and attitudes.), no created person who could decode perfectly the subjective experience of another person. That is intrinsically a private matterand science will never (as a Mysterian, this is what I believe) find the neurophysiological correlates to qualia. First person ontology is that element within creation which, by the very nature of itself, asks something of us that goes beyond scienceCurtis's POV notwithstanding. But if there is a being in the universe (God) who does see and understand perfectly what goes on inside our first person ontology (which is never repeated in any other human being, past, present, or future), then it becomes possible to conceive, just as in a third person perspective, the *possibility* of participating in this knowledge that only God has. Participating here might mean (and I believe it does in my case) sensing the motives of others when they write to myself *to the extent to which, at least, my interpretation is valid. In some epistemologically valid way? Well, I suppose in some relative sense this actually is true, which is a different kind of process from what the psychotherapist is doing, or the psychiatrist. He is using psychology to penetrate to the meaning of an individual's psyche. I hold out the possibility that there is an intuitive realm of apperception that transcends this purely psychological dimension, and exists because of the fact there there is a knowingness going on somewhere which perfectly grasps the first person perspective of that very person with whom I am interactingI, as it were, draw upon this inspirationwith, I suppose, God's grace. But of course I am as likely to be wrong as the next person; and I
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Good question I would be curious too. But IME unity was traumatic to body, mind and ego. I have spoken of it before. In my case the body got transformed, more vaata (airy), lost weight, headaches/migraine, sensitive to cold/ heat. At the height of Unity mind and ego were impacted by delusions and psychosis. But it wad the way in which mind ego overcame the violent digestion ( phrase - courtesy of Vaj), digestion of the blissful, orgasmic energy by the body, mind and ego. On Oct 19, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: ...I utterly against my will slipped into Unity again. This happened as a direct effect of one of those powerful confrontations of me by your friend in Europe. As you can imagine this was to say the least unexpected and even traumatic. But now I will have to make the best of it. Tell us about this. What did you experience? Why is it traumatic? What is the point of saying 'I will have to make the best of it' when what you say you are experiencing is the only thing that is and can be? If it is not, how can it be unity?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Exquisite irony I am envious of. Beat Kaufman, I believe. At least in this instance. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: ...I utterly against my will slipped into Unity again. This happened as a direct effect of one of those powerful confrontations of me by your friend in Europe. As you can imagine this was to say the least unexpected and even traumatic. But now I will have to make the best of it. Tell us about this. What did you experience? Why is it traumatic? What is the point of saying 'I will have to make the best of it' when what you say you are experiencing is the only thing that is and can be? If it is not, how can it be unity?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Lots of good stuff in here - thank you all - It seems all of us are blind to our delusions and blindspots -- else they would not be blind spots. If your premise is that you have absolutely no blind spots, well, that's fascinating. But again, how would you know? Are you asking whether or not we can be aware of every influence and reaction we are having at any moment, both within us and outside us? If you are, then what does it matter? One thing is always, and will be, for certain, life never stops expanding, growing, changing - there is always more to take in and experience, no matter the circumstances. There will never be a point where we can ultimately define ourselves, except to go with something which never stops, while attempting to do things within it to give it permanency. The trick seems to be to find out how life grows and what we must do to enjoy it, whether or not that aligns with who we think we are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote: Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin Some thoughts, not arguments or siding with this or that view. More for my own insights and playful viewing of things. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: Dear Barry Wright, MZ: If you can ever get Curtis to admit that he is, in relationship to myself, acting the part of Mother Theresa, or if he, in his response to my latest post, gives *any* indication that this could possibly be the case, I shall cease posting at FFL. For what you say in this post to be true means the refutation and destruction of my entire philosophy. TB: Is that a bad thing. Not your philosophy per se, but anyone's, all of ours. It seems healthy, even necessary, (in the abstract, easier said than done)to periodically come to new insights and realizations that enable one to rather joyfully refute, destroy and abandon ones prior views (and meta-views which may be another way of getting at the term philosophies). RC2: I understand you perfectly here. And of course I would rejoice in having my philosophy destroyedif I could experience it was being destroyed by something truer than itself. But to merely, abstractly, assume this perpetual contingency is a good thing to contemplate would mean that in holding to the validity of one's philosophy (it works for me) I am living it out with reservations, reservations which would inhibit my existential commitments to what is real. I think you misunderstand me here, as if I am saying: It will be the death of me if I am refuted. Not at all. I can both live and adhere to my philosophy as if it is ultimately real without thereby becoming defensive and irrational should it be challenged. You are drawing a conclusion out of what I say which is not in the least implied by the specific way in which I am writing hereand what I seek to convey. MZ: Since I take as an original premise the idea that I can read more or less the motives of others when they write to myself. TB: And how would you know? For sure? In some epistemologically valid way. RC2: How does a clinical psychologist attempt to talk to a patient who is paying him for psychotherapyor a psychoanalyst to an analysand? I am not making the claim that I *infallibly* understand (or read) the motives of others when they write to me; I am only saying, that in some subjective sense, I have the ability to go quite a ways in that direction, enough so, that I can use my perception of motive as part of the arsenal I bring to the debate. Now I believe I was wrong in some very subtle sense about Curtis, and you can see how I have made amends for this in my latest post (directed to him). There could be, except for God (who possesses what Linda Zagzebski refers to as Omnisubjectivity: the property of consciously grasping with perfect accuracy and completeness the first-person perspective of every conscious being. . . this property explains how an omniscient being is able to distinguish between first person and third person knowledge of the same fact, and it explains how an omniscient being is able to know what it is like for conscious creatures to have their distinctive sensations and emotions, minds, and attitudes.), no created person who could decode perfectly the subjective experience of another person. That is intrinsically a private matterand science will never (as a Mysterian, this is what I believe) find the neurophysiological correlates to qualia. First person ontology is that element within creation which, by the very nature of itself, asks something of us that goes beyond scienceCurtis's POV notwithstanding. But if there is a being in the universe (God) who does see and understand perfectly what goes on inside our first person ontology (which is never repeated in any other human being, past, present, or
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Medicine , Navapashanam Healing
I like the fun game of Leela! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSo0duY7-9s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: What I meant by your shriveled little heart is when I look into the negative space of what you write on here (I mean that dimensionally as used to describe art, not judgmentally), with your rants and other expressions of meanness, I cannot but help conclude that there is some steaming pile of festering Barry that you ain't facing. It isn't really there, but I have found a tendency in most humans to ignore our side that is really driving the works. True balance is achieved by looking at all of it, not as an obsessive check-marking, but just being in balance, looking at everything. When you engage in your game of button pushing, it is basically a very safe way of interacting with the forum, as is already making your prejudices known in what you write. There is no variety to it. It is choosing the most obvious ways to affront others, with the natural result that you win, because gee, that's not the way they are accustomed to speaking with and treating others, and here comes Barry, throwing poo everywhere - Oh look, you flinched! But there is a lot more to any of us than such a simple and dare I say neurotic game. Actually engaging in discussions of life, as the one ongoing between Curtis and RC. So I conclude in my utmost prejudice that maybe some self-reflection would be helpful for you, before summarily returning to your insults and antagonism here on FFL. Its not that I particularly mind them. Its just that you have become a one trick pony, and on here you can't just be the same old boring tired catalyst of getting people to flinch. Responding intelligently would be a huge step forward, minus the snark. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: If it helps, I do not remember having said unflattering words about you, so if I did they were in passing, and possibly in jest. I think your 'tude is both sane and rational, more than I can say about those who choose to obsess on me. Especially the ones who claim to be enlightened, and yet obsess anyway. What a wonder I must be to distract them from their one-pointed focus on eternity in such a way. My shriveled little heart thanks you for your wisdom, and wishes more TMers could learn from it. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: If anyone notices, I have torn at the Turq many times. I do recall the Turq has mentioned some unflattering words towards obba too. The difference is I do not spend my whole time taking every one of his words as a pain in the ass, and if he makes any sense, I leave him alone haha. What shocks me the most is when a TM Meditator, tears his ass as some kind of outside the movement freak. That is disturbing to me, because if one is getting inner peace, why would one feel threatened by Turq's comments about TM, to the point of lashing out? Judy has pointed out many times the Turq has made an error in his use of TM words, and many others, haha, and at that point, there is no need for someone like me to step in because she called it and many times rightfully so. (Judy is goddess to me.) I am sure if I was hanging out in Amsterdam with the Turq, at a coffee house, rolling a...uh, whatever they have to roll there, and I said I had to take my 20, he may roll his eyes, at the same time respect my time into the Transcendence, as I feel that what works for me. I do not live TM like a cult and if other's do, that is their problem and not mine. : ) Barry is doing a pretty good job showing me the dark side of the movement mind set, yet I still like my TM..so far, I think. ; ) This is where, Barry, can be free of my not, theaten lil Barry and his shriveled heart.
[FairfieldLife] [SPAM] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
Can't you at least show some courtesy to other FFL members and designate this as SPAM? Anything that Curtis or RC posts is ipso facto SPAM.
[FairfieldLife] Jihad Jerry the Evildoers
From the same folks who brought you The Church of the Subgenius Devo. Jihad Jerry was born in Tehran, Iran while the Shah of Iran was still in power. His father was an Iranian barber and his mother was an Irish-American midwife. He attended a private co-ed school in the region where he earned good grades. Even foreigners took attention to young Jihad and he received an academic scholarship to the University of North Pittsburgh. However, he was not able to leave Iran to attend due to the recent revolution in 1979 lead by the Ayatollah Khomeini. He then found work as a rug salesman. Unable to finish his education and trapped in a theocracy which he thought of as narrow-minded and sexually segregated, Jihad declared war on the prejudice and ignorance that had so wronged him. Music became his weapon. Eventually, he earned enough money to flee from Iran and settle in Yonkers, New York. There he had little success putting together a band. After the terrorist attacks on September 11, Jihad Jerry found new meaning to his message; the enemy is not the Muslim, the Christian, or the Jew, but stupidity itself. His band Jihad Jerry and the Evildoers was soon formed. Mine is Not a Holy War (2006) First released on August 22, 2006 via download through iTunes. On September 12, 2006 it was released by Cordless Recordings on CD. Featuring remixed version of the original three songs, the album also included four reworked Devo songs: Beehive, I Been Refused, Find Out and I Need a Chick. The album also featured a cover of The Yardbirds He's Always There. If the Shoe Fits was previously heard that year on the CD by Devo 2.0 under the title The Winner, featuring significantly different lyrics. The Time is Now [2:59] (Gerald V. Casale) Army Girls Gone Wild [2:48] (Gerald V. Casale/Peter Gregg) Danger [2:54] (Gerald V. Casale/Robert Casale) Beehive (Album Version) [3:08] (Gerald V. Casale/Peter Gregg) I Been Refused [2:25] (Gerald V. Casale/Peter Gregg) The Owl [3:05] (Gerald V. Casale) What's In a Name? [3:29] (Gerald V. Casale) If the Shoe Fits [2:18] (Gerald V. Casale/Mark Mothersbaugh) All She Wrote [2:53] (Gerald V. Casale) Find Out [2:52] (Gerald V. Casale/Mark Mothersbaugh) He's Always There [2:24] (Jim McCarty/Paul Samwell-Smith) I Need a Chick [3:19] (Gerald V. Casale/Peter Gregg) http://mineisnotaholywar.com/ http://www.myspace.com/jihadjerryandtheevildoers http://www.allmusic.com/artist/p807020
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:05 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Ravi: Curtis, How can we judge something without understanding the time, place, context and the people that were being addressed to? ME: I do, it was an ancient system of medicine that was the best they could do then. Now we can do better. Not perfect. But better. They didn't understand the circulation of blood then. They thought the heart functioned as we now understand our brain functions. We straightened that out. That is progress in understanding. The important thing IME is to not under-appreciate what these texts are describing. So for example they may describe the solar eagle-Garuda in terms much like a radiant sun (or phoenix) - and their opposite, the serpent Nagas, as opposites. But until you realize that the Sanskrit word naga also means lead, only when you realize they are very precisely describing electromagnetic radiation and lead shielding, do you get that these ancients are describing, from samadhic inquiry into reality, something only relatively recently understood by science. There are many, many similar examples. For example how would an ancient yogi know that to make zinc bioavailable, it needs to be ingested in the presence of certain biochemicals? Well, somehow they did. Same with coral calcium. It's a long list. Plastic surgeons still pay homage to Sushruta as father of their art. Some say the oriental martial arts and acupuncture originate from kalarippayattu. Like I said, it's a long list. ME: But we have confidence in their metaphoric reality from modern testing, not from taking them as divine revelation, right? If they can make a prediction that can be tested then you may have a better case for their value in medicine or science. I believe this is misplaced value and that it is the arts where they really shine. Vaj: While I think it's a good thing to be skeptical after being burned by a phony guru, ME: I am not skeptical about the claims made in ancient systems of medicine because of Maharishi. As far as I am concerned I wasn't burned by anyone. I enjoyed Maharishi's POV till the day I didn't accept it as real. I am not at all convinced that what he was serving me wasn't exactly what any of these guys offer. He got me as off as I needed to get to evaluate his claims. It is the premise I reject, not his authority as the real deal holy man. I haven't seen evidence that these enhanced state of consciousness are actually better. For me, it was not. Vaj: it's also important to remain open-minded enough to see the actual viable wisdom in the systems of learning they talked about. It's humbling when you realize: most of it's never been translated into western languages, and the stilted Brahmin belief in brahman has relegated much of it to the dust-bins of time. ME: We may not share the same definition of what constitutes an open mind. In my version, I read the books and see what they contain. Then I do my best to draw whatever conclusions I can. I am not humbled by Vedic literature or by the viable wisdom it may contain. It seems on a par with other ancient cultures who relied on sacrifices to appease gods. Mixed into the confusion are some interesting insights about human nature. How much of their medical POV will pan out, we don't know yet. Chimps chew on herbs to heal themselves, so there must be some accumulated wisdom. But it is mixed up with some pretty rank superstition that is flat out wrong or at best incompatible with society's modern outlook and knowledge base. I'll let the people who are its champions make their case for its value. People are not idiots in society, if it has real predictive power, it will get used.
[FairfieldLife] [SPAM] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: Can't you at least show some courtesy to other FFL members and designate this as SPAM? Anything that Curtis or RC posts is ipso facto SPAM. Your accusation of that we are both poopy pants has been duly noted.
[FairfieldLife] Violent? Not us, now now....
Violent? Not us, not now, interview with Steven Pinker, New Scientist, Oct 15 2011 (probably various excerpts online) ... To summarize a few points: How do you explain the decline in violence? P: I don't think there is a single answer. [Then P goes on to make a partial list of contributing factors such as the growth of government, especially the consolidation of kingdoms in the European Middle Ages, and] ...the transition from tribal anarchy to the first states. Watching the movie in reverse, in today's failed states violence goes through the roof. ..the abolition of barbaric customs such as torturing people to death for religious heresy. Commerce, trade and exchange make other people more valuable alive than dead, and mean that people try to anticipate what the other guy needs and wants. It engages the mechanisms of reciprocal altruism, as the evolutionary biologists call it, as opposed to raw dominance. ... The expansion of literacy, journalism, history, science - all of the ways in which we see the world from the other guy's point of view.. Feminisation is another reason for the decline. By all measures men are the more violent gender. [then he menions WWI as only ninth place in the world's atrocities.] The forces of reason, enlightenment, cosmopolitanism, women's empowerment - we should be grateful for all this and not nostalgic for a time in which everyone's world was far more constricted. [odd, no mention of the ME. Maybe I'll write him. He's a pcychology professor at Harvard, focusing on language and cognition.]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum levitation!
Yes, very cool. They should be to use that principle in powering bullet trains in the future. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: Way cool: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/psi-vid/2011/10/19/quantum-levitation-where-science-videos-dont-get-any-cooler/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
On Oct 19, 2011, at 7:17 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: ME: But we have confidence in their metaphoric reality from modern testing, not from taking them as divine revelation, right? If they can make a prediction that can be tested then you may have a better case for their value in medicine or science. I believe this is misplaced value and that it is the arts where they really shine. Well, it depends how you define divine revelation. If by divine revelation you mean some brahmin guru said it, so it must be true, then no. If by divine revelation you mean someone had the unusual experience of collapsing the triad of knowing and simply and directly experienced a reality, which - WTF! - it worked...many of us replicated it and so we've followed since then, well then, yes. Vaj: While I think it's a good thing to be skeptical after being burned by a phony guru, ME: I am not skeptical about the claims made in ancient systems of medicine because of Maharishi. As far as I am concerned I wasn't burned by anyone. I enjoyed Maharishi's POV till the day I didn't accept it as real. I am not at all convinced that what he was serving me wasn't exactly what any of these guys offer. He got me as off as I needed to get to evaluate his claims. It is the premise I reject, not his authority as the real deal holy man. I haven't seen evidence that these enhanced state of consciousness are actually better. For me, it was not. Well that's fair. I would agree that the enhanced states of consciousness he served did not (unfortunately) end up being all that helpful - to us as individuals and to us as a supposedly helpful hive-mind. Vaj: it's also important to remain open-minded enough to see the actual viable wisdom in the systems of learning they talked about. It's humbling when you realize: most of it's never been translated into western languages, and the stilted Brahmin belief in brahman has relegated much of it to the dust-bins of time. ME: We may not share the same definition of what constitutes an open mind. In my version, I read the books and see what they contain. Then I do my best to draw whatever conclusions I can. I think a basic premise of tantric (and rarely) the Vedas is not that 'books contain wisdom'. Instead the premise is that the lineal tradition, as it was originally done, is the key. In effect, it was begging an external and an internal (or subjective) science. Those of us raised on external sciences might find this heresy. But those who took the time to follow-thru on an internal science might have found out different. Repeatability works…if you know how to repeat it in the first place. We were not burned by false promises of a slum dog rishi - and thus sent reeling in an opposing direction. It's now clear that he was not nor is not part of the tradition of repeatability. Sadly faux research (sadly) proves this. I am not humbled by Vedic literature or by the viable wisdom it may contain. It seems on a par with other ancient cultures who relied on sacrifices to appease gods. I think you're right here. Particularly on the level of Anglish translation. The real value is at the level of the original language - and even then, it's highly speculative as to what these verses actually mean. Even after reading thru Aurobindo's pro-Hindu stuff, it's WAY speculative. The tantras I find much more realistic and practical. I find the Brahmin-based appropriation of the Vedas as largely parallel to X-tian fundie appropriation of Anglish translation of Greek translations of the Aramaic words as being apropos for 2011 AD. The only Jihad is the Jihad against stupidity. This is (and there should be) no Holy War. ;-)
[FairfieldLife] A Late Show at the Filmore East
http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2011/LaLuz_XXV_1/Roberts-Pam.htm
[FairfieldLife] R.K. Sloane, RIP
(What happens when TM TB's get sucked into the inevitable downward spiral of incarnations): http://www.laluzdejesus.com/shows/2011/LaLuz_XXV_1/Sloane.htm
[FairfieldLife] Gaither
Art for the criminally insane. http://www.jeffgaither.com/illustration.html
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[FairfieldLife] Dirty Religion
by R.K. Sloane. A good pictorial summary of his vp. But playing Devil's Advocate; I will attempt to present a case for the value of religion at some time in the future. http://www.angelfire.com/in/darkart/images/SLOANE05.JPG
[FairfieldLife] Burning of a Heretic
by R.K. Sloane http://www.angelfire.com/in/darkart/images/SLOANE10.JPG This brings up the question of a darker fate for those who are both heretics and apostates that's difficult to imagine - key words for the latter being (from dictionary.com): deserter, ratter, recreant, renegade, turncoat.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Conversation between Curtis Robin
I owe responses to several people, but I'm horrendously busy and won't get to them till the weekend. Meantime, couple of quick comments... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@... wrote: snip You are abstracting the issue out of its instantiated concreteness. I'm appropriating this sentence, Robin. It's a thing of beauty. I'll try to remember to give you credit when I use it. And I am sure, at least in the case of myself, Curtis would admit this to you. (But I have a hunch he wants to cover off for Barry, and he will only tacitly indicate that I am not far wrong in what I have said.) Bingo. He already did, actually, in a post chiding Bhairitu for his inability to appreciate your dialogue: This attempt to make it into a pathology just makes you look like you can't get beyond your own personal preferences and understand that other people are interested in different things. He [Barry] is not maliciously bearing false witness of course Yes, he is. Why should today be different from any other day?
