Hi Cindy,
Oh my, 45 kittens! That's a lot of squirmy, mewing little monkeys! How
wonderful of you folks to give the litter that tested pos a chance this
way. You people are fantastic to care, that's what we all expect
no-kill shelters to do, but so many times logistics of space and money
What state do you live in? In Ky, if there is
a bite to a human, the critter is confined for 10-14 days.
If you have men who will exclude any of God's
creatures
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their fellow
man.
St. Francis
Hi Nina!
Jimi Too Cool's vet seems to be
clueless about where the pain is emanating from. He was just guessing
stomach or esophagus. I will do some re-reading, I had forgotten, if I
ever knew, that stomatitis can affect other organs, hmmm. I think the
mystery is that he really does not
I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I think 2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him up by my neck but remember finding him sleeping down next to me at one point and moving him back up. I guess it didn't cross my mind at the time that he should have been
Georgia. Here they automatically kill the animal if it's wildlife, but they couldn't find the possum so they quarantined her cat for 6 months instead.tMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What state do you live in? In Ky, if there is a bite to a human, the critter is confined for 10-14 days.
Oh Honey, don't say that. You didn't kill Grayson. You didn't wake up
on top of him, you woke up with him lower on your body and you moved him
back up. There's no way you could possibly know he stopped breathing
because you suffocated him, or because he simply stopped breathing.
Even if
Tonya please don't say that you killed him,you did so much more for him than than anyone could have.catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I think 2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him up by my neck but remember finding
Oh Tonya,
I'm so sorry Grayson has gone to be with his brother.
Kittens are so very fragile sometimes. I'm sure he's
being cared for now by Brenda and all our other angels.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, catatonya wrote:
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 02:58:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: catatonya
Tonya, kittens that young just die sometimes. You have no idea why he died.
When I was young we tried to save a baby rabbit who had been pulled from the
nest by a dog, uninjured; we bottle fed him, kept him warm, etc. and he seemed
fine for 3 days. Then when my mom went to feed him in the
Ah, so that is where "vixenroo" comes from! I always wondered about
that.
No, Patches definitely is better, just not completely better. She is acting
normal, rather than hiding, and her limp is much less pronounced. It's still
there, though.
Michelle
In a message dated 7/18/2006 1:20:33
Grayson left this world because it was his time to
leave. He left loved and cared for, not abandoned or gassed or cold or
frightened. In all likelihood he simply left in his sleep. You gave
him the ability to leave this world by giving him comfort. It takes energy
to leave. He needed to and
You didn't kill him. Kittens die suddenly despite our best efforts
and there is nothing we can do. He died knowing he was loved. That
makes a difference.
- Original Message -
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:59 am
Subject: I killed Grayson
To:
Hi Anne,
With Bailey sometimes when it was getting to be feeding time he
would hide, I'd have to find him and then there were tow times when I
was feeding him and he jumped and ran, caught me completely by
surprise. Every time I got close to him he would run, it took me a few
minutes both
Tonya,
In no way did you do anything to harm sweet little Grayson. He had
surely already passed when you woke up and found him lower and like Nina
said you weren't smothering him in any way.
His mission in this life was short, to come in, know despair, then
amazing love and caring
Nina couldn't have said it any better. You didn't kill Grayson. You were
helping him and loving him. Don't blame yourself, he passed in the best way
possible- being held and loved!
Chris
- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday,
Tonya --
Just joining in the chorus here. You have no cause to blame yourself.
Please take comfort in knowing Grayson died knowing love. So many don't
even have that chance. Gentle Bridge vibes for Grayson and his brother.
Diane R.
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Tonya,
Please don't think that! Grayson had a couple of days being fed, cuddled, and loved - something his own mother couldn't do for him. Without you he would have died alone in an abandoned house. Looking back at your posts it is obvious to see that he was not a healthy kitten to begin with.
Tonya,
I dont believe that you killed himkittens,
no matter how small, contend with the pile of kittens when they all nuzzle
against their mom and when mom moves around.. They do get around more then you
think. It was an uphill battle with Graysonhe was so very young. You
did the very
Thanks Nina, but I killed him. I know I did. And I know it's because I was so worried about bringing in another cat and 'wished' I didn't have that problem. So now I don't. I just feel horrible. tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Honey, don't say that. You didn't kill Grayson. You didn't wake
I did kill him though. He was doing so well. I just feel horrible.tSherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya please don't say that you killed him,you did so much more for him than than anyone could have.catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I
Tonya hon...cats don't "smother" easily. If you had, I would assume there would be claw marks up one side of you ...or the sheets would be shredded. Isn't there the chance that he just passed peacefully in his sleep?I was to adopt a cat last spring. One week before I was to get him, he fell
Tonya!If wishin' could kill someone...there'd be a hell of a lot of corpses layin' around...esp... in the work places!catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks Nina, but I killed him. I know I did. And I know it's because I was so worried about bringing in another cat and 'wished' I didn't
Dear, if it were that easy there would be a lot more dead
ex-SOs, in-laws, bosses, mortgages and teenagers. Wishing does not,
despite what Disney says and despite what you think your subconscious did, make
it so. He died because he just did, is all.
Diane R.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PLEASE dont think that!!! Its
just not true!! Of course you were worried about bringing in another catall
of us would have wished we didnt have the problem.
I have a feeling you hit it on the head in
your very first e-mailMom cats somehow sense which kitties might not
make it and sort
It just is. When I woke up and he wasn't at my neck I turned on the light to find him down beside me. I just moved him back up to his place since he seemed to be sleeping. I was groggy and tired and just didn't even think to check to see that he was alright. I might could have done something at
Sleep soft, dear Grayson and your tiny tabby brother too.
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, catatonya wrote:
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: I killed Grayson
It just is.
Tonya, I'm so sorry. I worry about that sometimes. One of my sick
dogs rested her head on my dangling computer cables and died. I felt
awful, like I needed to have her in a perfect room with no
dangers. My dear beloved kitty Jacques, back in the early 1990's,
was in the process of dying,
Tonya..I am so sorry for Grayson's passing I just wanted to tell
you I know exactly how you feel... as far as I am concerned most of the
kitties who passed away under my care.. they died because of me.. I
killed them.. not necessary directly (and of course, and not
intentionally) all the
Oh Tonya, everything that Nina said! I am so so sorry. We all know you and love you and it's OK to be sad about his passing, but please don't feel guilty.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Honey, don't say that. You didn't kill Grayson. You didn't wake up on top of him, you woke up with him lower
Tonya,
Oh sweetie, it wasn't your fault! Kittens can be so fragile and their
mortality rate can seem so high.
I just found outSunday what happened to 4 of the kittens I had at
time of my accident. I had a beautiful, long haired mama and her 5 kittens
when I had my accident. They all seemed
Oh, Tonya, a truth to hold to right now is that Grayson snuggled into your
loving heart for a short time and of course you deeply mourn his passing
he was not an just another kitty to care for. He may have been
facing months and years of medicines, pain and limitations. His lack of
Please don't think that. If you had deliberately set out to
harm that dear one - then you might have cause to take blame.
Blaming yourself in this case simply isn't appropriate. It is
obvious to me that you cared very much and you made his short time here
the very best that it could possibly be.
oh, my dearest dear:
i know you can't hear all of us right now, but believe what we're all telling you: you did NOT kill grayson, you gifted him with warmth and food and safety and love. and THAT'S the only thing you smothered him with. please be gentle with yourself, and know that your role was
Tonya,
You did not kill "Grayson" sometimes we can not control what god has planned for our furbabies. Grayson and his sibling were loved and you did more than anyone else would have done for them at the time of need. He has gone to be with his sibling to a placewhere he canbe whole again.
Tonya, I am so sorry to hear about lil Grayson.. We all know how you feel, but you didn't kill him..we all can "what if" ourselves to no end..I have done that many times, too..And I guess we never really know..You did give him love and care for the short time he was here and he knew that..I think
Hold everything. You are not God. You
can not wish a being away. Each and everyone of us has wished we did not
have a problem-- ask those of us who are sole caretakers of the elderly.
We wish we didn't have the problem, not that the person was dead We are
all telling you not to feel bad.
Amen.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise
Tonya,
You have all my sympathy on the
loss of your Grayson. I am so sorry for your loss.
Thanks for your coming in to
talk about Jimi, Tonya, that was so nice. I love how you call him J2C,
too!
Thinking of you in this sad time,
Tonya,
Hugs,
Anne and Jimi Too Cool, Simms and Sophie
Michelle,
Good ideas, thanks! I wonder if
a vet dentist would help, though, since Jimi's mouth is OK now, unless this pain
he has is related to the stomatitis, somehow. Hmmm. I will think
on that.
I am interested in Immuno-Regalin and
Acemannan, too. I know there is some info on the
Belinda,
Thanks so much for all the
links! This is great, lots of food for thought. So, how was
pancreatitis finally diagnosed with Bailey? I don't think I have read a
lot about pancreatitis in cats but have done some reading about dogs with
it. I'm sorry you lost your sweet boy that way.
So Lucy has been herself for the past 4 or 5 days, since going back on 10
mg/day of pred. She eats fairly well (roasted duck or raw food mixed with
Beechnut baby food), has completely normal bowels, runs around like normal (in
fact, brought in a half-dead mole a few hours ago, which I tried
Michelle,
You crack me up! I know it's not funny, but you can certainly go
'round and 'round with the best of them! If you are asking what I'd
do... I wouldn't take her on such a horrendous vet trip if she's
catching and bringing you moles with enough fight in them to bite you
in their final
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