Re: [Finale] OSX Midi

2003-08-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Does anyone know whether a serial Midi interface would work on the original serial port of a Powerbook G3 Wallstreet? Getting a USB to serial adapter will probably cost just as much as a new MIDI interface, so that's not really an option. Johannes On 10.08.2003 15:08 Uhr, RockyRoad wrote Does

Re: [Finale] Ricoh AP2610

2003-08-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 13.08.2003 23:58 Uhr, Fisher, Allen wrote I recently asked if anyone had one of these printers. (to recap, it's a 1200 dpi PS3 laser that does large format paper for $600) I went ahead and took the plunge and bought it. It seems pretty well contsructed, is USB 2.0 and the prints I've

[Finale] New Printer for Finale

2003-08-14 Thread Oboe1000
I know this has come up before, but I never needed to pay attention until now! My printer's (NEC 1450N) been acting up big time as far as paper feed, and it's making me crazy. I'm thinking of getting a new laser, probably HP. However, do I need it to "speak" PostScript? I paid a lot extra for

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Copy Protection

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
If we switch to Fin04, *we can't go back*!!! The technology to go back can and will be developed (if needed) as a plug-in, even if Finale dies. In fact, MusicXML already provides backwards compatibility to an amazing extent. Cheers, Tobias ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] Intellectual property

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
the PIRATES and THEIR customers aren't gonna be inconvenienced by the copy protection, while we loyal MakeMusic customers ARE inconvenienced. -- David H. Bailey I had vowed to stay out of this argument, but I can't help but notice that this argument is identical to that used by the gun lobby

Re: [Finale] Ted Ross reprint]

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
The Dover edition is the Berlioz/Strauss edition. Ray Horton wrote: Is that the edition with the Richard Strauss additions? - Original Message - From: David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:42 AM

RE: [Finale] Strategy for scores

2003-08-14 Thread Dan Rupert
On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee I think what I would like to do is to combine the same-family instruments (all the trumpets on one staff, e.g.). But I insist that each trumpeter (e.g.) gets only his/her own part. If I'm understanding you correctly, you'll want to check the *leave original

Re: [Finale] Strategy for scores

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
I typically do the score doubling up parts on staves as needed. If there are solos or unisons, I use note-attached exps to denote them. I used to use meas-attached, but since Tobias introduced Smart Part Extraction I use note-attached because SPE works so well with them. To extract the parts,

RE: The Panic Room, was: RE: [Finale] Re: Registration codes and copyright

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
... a clause which removes all liability from the publisher of the product ... In addition, if software activation is stopped after a few years, then that is purposeful sabotage on the part of the publisher, and no license agreement in the world can make that legal. They are liable, sure they

Re: [Finale] Strategy for scores

2003-08-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 02:26 PM 8/13/2003 -0500, Richard Huggins wrote: Maybe I'm not getting something, but ... You mentioned that you have everything on separate staves at the moment--why wouldn't you extract those into parts before combining them? If you did, then you're only dealing with the implosion issue

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 08/08/03 09:41, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: At 02:35 PM 8/8/03 +0200, d. collins wrote: And what about installing it and using on a laptop with no internet connection? Is that easily done? Does that mean this is okay with you? Not even a whisper of protest? Everybody

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:50 AM 8/8/03 +0200, Jari Williamsson wrote: I've now put a Finale 2004 review with some tips on the tips site. I'll correct all the typos tomorrow... http://www.finaletips.nu/ Here I find: Finale 2004 has copy protection. You can read how it works on MakeMusic!'s own site. I go there and

[Finale] Copy protection and the PACE system

2003-08-14 Thread Bunnydowns
In the back-and-forth about the appropriateness of adding a copy-protection scheme to Finale, the discussion of the PACE system and its worm dropped through the cracks. It would seem to be a prerequisite to further discussion to know--from the people who actually wrote the code, not some

Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Huggins
I have seen 2nd x only much more than 1st x tacet. I also think it conveys intent better and quicker. As for font style, that's subjective to the style preferred by the publisher, if there is one. Personally I use 12 pt italics plain and have seen that used quite a bit. Richard From: Aaron

Re: [Finale] Fin2004 Discount

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
The promo code was sent in an e-mail (you may already have received it by now) -- it does NOT lower the price below $89. Mario Aschauer wrote: Dear fellow listers, I might have missed something: what exactly is a promo code? Does it make the upgrade any cheaper than $89? I for one

Re: [Finale] Ted Ross reprint

2003-08-14 Thread Colin Broom
- Original Message - From: Nick Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: [Finale] Ted Ross reprint I'm talking to the publisher of The Art of Music Engraving and Processing by Ted Ross about a reprint and I wanted to ask the list

Re: [Finale] 2004 on site

2003-08-14 Thread Philip Aker
On Wednesday, Aug 6, 2003, at 11:16 US/Pacific, Richard Huggins wrote: Apparently, if you can at least run system 9.0.4, you can use this upgrade even though some features may not be available to you. This is good for anyone like me with a dinosaur Mac that can't run OS X. I believe it's

RE: [Finale] (no subject)

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
Robert: The statement is correct so long as you keep your current computer (actually optionally 2 of em) running as long as you live. But most people upgrade computers periodically, or have hard drive crashes, etc. When that happens, you'll have to get a new reg code, and that means MM

Re: [Finale] Auto dynamic placement plug-in

2003-08-14 Thread Herman S. Gersten
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 12:52 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/4/03 6:31:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After selecting some measures, I cannot get the dynamic placement plug-in to place any dynamic but mf in a score. Herman - My understanding of the intended

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Ray Horton
Great review. Thanks! Ray Horton - Original Message - From: Jari Williamsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review Hello! I've now put a Finale 2004 review with some tips on the tips site. I'll

Re: [Finale] It's here -- Finale 2004!

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
John Howell wrote: once again, the marketing department seems determined to ignore the educational market that should be so important to them. The Mac version isn't shipping until October 20, much too late for any college I know of. I think I can state with fair certainty that the Oct. 20

Re: [Finale] Copy protection and the PACE system

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 07:18 AM 8/9/03 -0400, David H. Bailey wrote: Could you please elaborate? What is the worm that you claim is embedded in the PACE system, what does it do, and how would it work if we have antivirus software on our system? Wouldn't current AV software catch/kill the worm on our machines?

Re: [Finale] It's here -- Finale 2004!

2003-08-14 Thread Tim Thompson
Okay, I missed it. Thanks. The release date itself still has me down--I was hoping for a miracle I guess. Tim On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 03:08 PM, Tobias Giesen wrote: Hi, the release dates are not on every page, but they are on many, right below the Pre-Order button. For example,

Re: [Finale] TAN: 2-Up Printing with Acrobat Reader

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: After setting booklet properties, go to the print dialog itself and set 'shrink to fit'. Aha. That's the option I don't want. Armed with this info I got it to work in OS9, and hopefully in OSX soon. (That is, I turned shrink to fit OFF!) Thanks very much.

[Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only

2003-08-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
Hi all, I'm writing out an arrangement with several repeated strains, and the instrumentation changes slightly on the repeat. So for an instrument which only comes in on the repeat, is it better to put '1x tacet' or '2x only'? And is there a standard as to whether this should be roman or

Re: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: [snip] reasonable way to transfer my old Finale files to a non-obsolete music notation app? and, Good lord, I'm not really going to have to start using Sibelius now, am I? And THAT could be the scariest what-if of all! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

disclaimer [was Re: [Finale] Ted Ross reprint]

2003-08-14 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Although I quoted the line: And, quite related to our field, the Berlioz/Strauss Treatise on Instrumentation. despite the automatic line generated by Mark's e-mail client, I did not author it. ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Finale] 2004 registration

2003-08-14 Thread Éric Dussault
This is an excerpt from MakeMusic techsupport (Tyler Turner) read on MM's forum As we explained in the FAQ, we are including a mechanism in a maintenance release of Finale 2004 that will let you transfer the saving/printing from one computer to another without ever contacting MakeMusic. This

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
Only if they're answering the phones at CodaMusic (or Net4Music or MakeMusic) that day. d. collins wrote: Thanks to David for explaining the system. Jari Williamsson: The challenge/response system is seamless if you do the registration over the internet. In that case, there's no extra user

Re: [Finale] Finale Error Message

2003-08-14 Thread Oboe1000
Dennis, Thanks for looking it up; it seems like there are more and more reasons to upgrade to XP. Meanwhile, I did a restore of my entire C drive from a Norton "Ghost" backup file, and everything works fine again -- for now. Thanks. - Ken

RE: [Finale] Ricoh AP2610

2003-08-14 Thread Burt Fenner
I bought one of these also, and I am delighted with it. I printed a 41 page 11 x 17 score (single sided) in three minutes. I also got the duplexer. It works but at the moment I only have 24lb. paper and it tends to wrinkle. I am assuming that 32 lb. paper will not wrinkle. It can also handle 18 x

Re: [Finale] It's here -- Finale 2004!

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:20 PM 8/6/03 -0500, Craig Parmerlee wrote: That may be true of Opera 6. I recently upgraded to Opera 7.11 I had no trouble viewing the site and placing an upgrade. I found the earlier Opera 7 releases practically unusable, but 7.11 is solid, as far as I can tell. I use 7.11. Are you

Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Huggins
Okayit is correct that I should have said that IF it was a first ending, the designation could read Play 1st x That being corrected, I'm pretty sure the original question referred to a situation using repeat bars only (not a 1st/2nd ending), and in such a case all the notes *would* be seen

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:55 AM 8/8/03 -0500, Richard Huggins wrote: I think Coda/MM has the right to employ some method of copy protection. If technically they goofed by using the words no copy protection, that's a gaffe they may already regret. Perhaps the words smart copy protection would have been better (and I'm

Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:47 AM -0400 8/06/03, Aaron Sherber wrote: Now for the followup: An instrument is tacet the first time through but actually begins playing in the pickup to the repeat -- that is, in the first ending. Is the indication 'Play' over the pickup notes the usual way of indicating this?

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
I hope Finale's system will be a user-specific challenge/response and not a computer/specific system. I see, like measuring nose and ears? Or, worse yet, I certainly hope it isn't like Sibelius's system No, it isn't. I think you can actually install it three times and all will print and

Re: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic

2003-08-14 Thread RockyRoad
At 11:04 PM 8/9/03 +1000, RockyRoad wrote: PS: The system is acceptable to me. I am a veteran of dongles (Logic), keydisks (Soundiver) and other arcane systems. Of course the potential demise of MakeMusic is a concern but the greater issue their would be whether the last Finale would continue to

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
My mother-in-law would most definitely dispute your statement that there is music after rappers do their work! So since the term music is so subjective, also must the term musician be subjective. And I would most definitely not put any faith in the Grammy awards as being any real proof of

Re: [Finale] It's here -- Finale 2004!

2003-08-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 2:19 PM -0400 8/06/03, Tim Thompson wrote: It sure looks like a big upgrade so far. I will be interested to see if the MIDI workings have been redesigned, or if all of that human playback stuff is internal. I'm a little bothered that the web site is haphazard, and not Mac friendly (which

Re: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader)

2003-08-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 08.08.2003 22:20 Uhr, Robert Patterson Finale wrote It is a system-wide problem. That is, the current OSX Postscript driver does not include booklet printing the way that for OS9 did. Isn't it Adobe's version of the postscript driver that offered Booklet printing on driver level? I don't

Re: The Panic Room, was: RE: [Finale] Re: Registration codes andcopyright

2003-08-14 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
David H. Bailey wrote: Thanks -- it seems that the only thing which has changed in the license is that Coda has been changed to MakeMusic. Actually, the end-user isn't in the table of contents Obviously because it is an undocumented feature vbg. ns

Re: [Finale] FinMac2004 Discount

2003-08-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 07:03 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: The code entry does NOT give you a greater discount -- the price is $89.95, with or without that code. No, no, no. That's what I've been trying to tell you. Without the code, the price for the upgrade from Mac Finale *2002* to

[Finale] (no subject)

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
The statement is correct so long as you keep your current computer (actually optionally 2 of em) running as long as you live. But most people upgrade computers periodically, or have hard drive crashes, etc. When that happens, you'll have to get a new reg code, and that means MM has to be there

Re: [Finale] Fin2004 Discount

2003-08-14 Thread Cecil Rigby
I finally upgraded from WIN 97c to 2003 about three months ago. I, too, have not received a promo! Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Richard Yates [EMAIL PROTECTED] And I have received no e-mail promo at all [snip] Anyone else receive no promo?

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004

2003-08-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 06:42 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:14 PM 8/6/2003, Éric Dussault wrote: Wouldn'd it have been great if the Finale 2004 advertisement on MakeMusic's website could be made so they can be viewed by a macintosh computer. All the sound samples with soundfonts and

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
A co-worker insists that a deejay is a musician. I say that is a load, that at most he is perhaps an editer or producer. Can a legitimate case be made in his defense? Absolutelyl not! He does not create or recreate music, he uses other people's music. John So whose music is that scratchy

Fwd: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader)

2003-08-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
Begin forwarded message: From: Robert Patterson Finale [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 7, 2003 10:57:01 AM US/Eastern To: Finale List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader) Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a followup to yesterday's thread.

[Fwd: Re: [Finale] Ted Ross reprint]

2003-08-14 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Michael Matthews sent this to me personally; I suspect he intended to post it to the list... Original Message And, quite related to our field, the Berlioz/Strauss Treatise on Instrumentation. I for one would be interested in an updated version of Ross, though I do have a

Re: [Finale] Fin2004 Discount

2003-08-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Thursday, August 7, 2003, at 12:54 AM, Rich Caldwell wrote: Anyway, if you're registered on the site, it should know what version you have so the promo code is kind of useless (I think). The promo code isn't useless for Coda because most people won't even see it. I would have missed it for

[Finale] Ted Ross reprint

2003-08-14 Thread Nick Carter
I'm talking to the publisher of The Art of Music Engraving and Processing by Ted Ross about a reprint and I wanted to ask the list for your input. Would you like to see a hardcover reprint?... new content?... or do you already have a copy and you don't care? All thoughts and comments welcome!

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Jari Williamsson
Tobias Giesen writes: I'm sure these people will make Finale survive, including older versions. Yes, a thing that seem to support this is the fact that you can still download patches for very old Finale versions, such as Finale 2.2. Many companies only provides download of fixes for the last

Re: [Finale] Strategy for scores

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
Craig Parmerlee: I want to know how others approach organizing the instruments on their scores. I have done mainly small ensembles in the past. ... Right now I'm working on an orchestration for full symphony orchestra + jazz combo + several other instruments not normally in an orchestral

Re: [Finale] TAN: Tacet or 2x only

2003-08-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 11:11 AM 8/6/2003, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: This really is me talking, for some reason my emailer thinks it's a quote: I prefer 2nd X only rather than 2x only, as it won't be confused with Two times only, and Tacet 1st X is a negative, which seems to take more brain power to process. Yes,

Re: [Finale] It's here -- Finale 2004!

2003-08-14 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 01:02 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 3:37 PM -0400 8/06/03, Éric Dussault wrote: Le 06/08/03 15:05, Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit: Whee! I also got a whopping discount ($39.95 instead of $89.95) by stating my promotion code when they

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread Crystal Premo
Seriously, though, assuming you can't get to a performance, what would help you? You needn't assume that. We have one or two venues for this sort of entertainment in NYC. Maybe if I go and see it in person, my opinion will change. I guess right now it just seems too loaded with stuff

Re: [Finale] Fin2004 Discount

2003-08-14 Thread Cecil Rigby
I have all spam filtering turned off at the server for my account, though. Hmmm.. Cecil Rigby From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mine was spam-filtered because of all the HTML and internal links, but I recovered it from the trash. Since you are Earthlink and they have

Re: [Finale] 2004 on site

2003-08-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
Excellent! Jari, now that this has been announced, can you please post your review so that we know what Fin2004 is *really* like? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 04:10 PM 8/8/03 +0200, d. collins wrote: But I'm only at the stage where I'm trying to understand what's going on. So I'm also very wary, and would like to know how troublesome this one will be. Since Makemusic chose to dissemble on their website, I don't trust them now. Period. Anything

Re: [Finale] Pre-orders

2003-08-14 Thread Tom Jordan
Richard, Thanks for sharing your research. I NEVER got the email invitation to pre-order. So, I was glad to see how to get the $89.95 price at the location you found! i guess that this means there is a new computer in your future, or already on your desk. Tom Jordan On Wednesday, August 13,

Re: [Finale] Rhythm notation preference

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
There are no real rules as in a system which has been agreed upon by international convention. These are simply general principles that one sees in engraved music. Many people tout them as being rules simply because that makes more people tend to follow them and lends an air of authority to

Re: [Finale] FinaleScript question

2003-08-14 Thread Brad Beyenhof
However, if I'm going to need that sort of operability outside of Finale, the QuicKeys upgrade ($69.95) is a lot more appealing than an OS upgrade (reputedly $130). Especially since the Finale upgrade ($89.95) is happening concurrently... - Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
Well, I've heard several french hhh ... sorry... french hhh ... sorry ... I meant french hhhorn players that one could barely call musicians... but we all try and some are more talented at what we do than others. DJ's which are good can make you move and can communicate with other

[Finale] Finale 2004 demo files

2003-08-14 Thread Brian Appleby
Just checked out the audio demos on the Finale web site again, and they are now mp3's, playing back great on my mac. Thanks MM. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Strategy for scores

2003-08-14 Thread Richard Huggins
Well, maybe I'm STILL not getting something, but I'd rather not have to also do a major editing job to produce a consolidated score. I thought in your original message you said you had chosen to do it the way you did. In this case, you have to consolidate the score anyway, since you've

Re: [Finale] First FIN 2k5 question

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
Copy protection in the Linux world? Now THAT's likely to succeed! Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 09.08.2003 2:06 Uhr, Noel Stoutenburg wrote In discussing a side issue with a friend about MAC OS-X, the point was made that MAC OS-X is a variant of UNIX. This leads me to wonder, given that 2k4 is

Re: [Finale] First FIN 2k5 question

2003-08-14 Thread Bill Baker
On Fri, 2003-08-08 at 19:06, Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In discussing a side issue with a friend about MAC OS-X, the point was made that MAC OS-X is a variant of UNIX. This leads me to wonder, given that 2k4 is being reconfigured to run native on Unix, er, OS-X, whether we

RE: The Panic Room, was: RE: [Finale] Re: Registration codes and copyright

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 02:19 PM 8/9/03 +0200, Tobias Giesen wrote: but most end-user licenses I have ever read contain a clause which removes all liability from the publisher of the product. Yeah but those clauses aren't valid, they are void. At least in Europe, but it should be similar in the States. Most

[Finale] 2k4 release dates

2003-08-14 Thread Brad Beyenhof
The frontpage at finalemusic.com says that Windows ships 8/20/03; Macintosh ships 10/20/03. Hope it actually comes out as promised... but a software release is a little more important than a Web announcement, so it should. - Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader)

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
This is a followup to yesterday's thread. It appears that booklet printing is only available in OS9. (This is yet another example of OSX not-ready-for-prime-time-ness.) In Google searches I've found many bitter complaints that booklet printing has (so far) been orphaned in OSX on a variety of

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
It was either on this list or on orchestralist where a couple of years ago I participated in a discussion of what a composer is, and ultimately (since there is no universally agreed upon test that a composer must pass) there was no concensus other than a person who puts sounds together can

Re: [Finale] Registration codes and copyright

2003-08-14 Thread Patrick Lenneau
And so it came to pass that On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 02:41 PM, Tobias Giesen spake: b) as Benjamin pointed out, making your product unusable by refusing activation codes at some point in the future is illegal in the States as well as in Europe. They wont need to do this to get the

Re: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
This brings up yet another legal issue that I'm not sure MakeMusic have thought about -- if the software is registered to a specific machine, does it remain with that machine? Talk about giving away free copies! If I install Finale2004 on my machine and it does its electronic handshake and

Re: [Finale] Intellectual property

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
Well, that's reassuring! (not!) Hands up, anybody who has ever owned copy-protected software (games included) where the company has gone out of business and the copy protection has gotten lost or destroyed? Are we all reassued now? Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 09.08.2003 2:31 Uhr, Craig

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Davo van Peursen
Take it easy. Why should we be disappointed or even furious? Don't forget that estimated 70% of the use of Finale is illegal. It is copied on music schools etc. So far Finale did survive with their unprotected policy. But it is wise to protect the software. Forcing illegal customers to pay.

RE: [Finale] Re: The Panic Room

2003-08-14 Thread David McKay
Ah, Keith. You must be one of the few who didn't use Atari then Emagic Notator and had to put a dongle on the serial port [or was it joystick port ... hm Joysticks and dongles!] I was always terrified it might go bung or I might lose it or something. My wife used to tell people I had a $1000

Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Copy Protection

2003-08-14 Thread helgesen
I'm certain that having your final sentence in the back of their minds makes a lot of folks more comfortable! - see snip below! Regards, Keith in OZ But both Tobias and I can be somewhat cheerful about it, because in that hopefully unlikely scenario, either one or both of us could fairly easily

Re: [Finale] More Finale 2004 info

2003-08-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 10:39 AM 8/8/2003 +0200, Jari Williamsson wrote: I noticed that the MakeMusic! marketing material for Finale 2004 only seem to compare the SoftSynth output with normal MIDI output. No example how a printed page would sound with human playback. So I created such an example, which is now linked

[Finale] OSX Midi

2003-08-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Does anyone know whether an old serial MIDI inteface will work in OS X, and how? Or do only USB interfaces work? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Finale] Fin2004 Copy Protection

2003-08-14 Thread RockyRoad
I noticed it has changed. Has it gone to a Challenge-Response system? -- David Stonestreet - Coming to you from Sydney Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining planet known as

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread Mr. Liudas Motekaitis
If Grammy awards are not an authority, what makes you say your mother-in-law is? No logic there, sorry. Liudas - Original Message - From: David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader)

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
It is a system-wide problem. That is, the current OSX Postscript driver does not include booklet printing the way that for OS9 did. However, Finale itself has built-in booklet printing that is (presumably) still available in Finale 2004 even when running under OSX, and it is far superior to

[Finale] Re: The Panic Room

2003-08-14 Thread RockyRoad
If it makes anyone feel any better, there is a much worse copy protection scheme out there than Finale 2004's challenge-response scheme, and, believe it or not, even worse than Sibelius'. Try upgrading Logic versions from emagic. Firstly there is a brand-new dongle that has to be plugged into the

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 10:08 PM 8/6/03 -0400, Crystal Premo wrote: I can be very loose about who I consider a musician, but I think it really splits some hairs to call a playback device an instrument. Please post an audio file of your turntable performance. :) I just can't get my head around that concept. Don't

Re: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader)

2003-08-14 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Robert Patterson Finale wrote: However, Finale itself has built-in booklet printing that is (presumably) still available in Finale 2004 even when running under OSX, and it is far superior to that of the OS9 Postscript driver. The only time one needs the printer driver is when one needs

Re: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic

2003-08-14 Thread Dr. Gordon J. Callon
One problem that has not been mentioned (I think) is where a single individual is responsible for multiple installations on many computers. We are an institution where everyone (students, faculty, librarians, etc.) has an institutional laptop. Because the laptops are mobile, users do not use

Re: [Finale] It's here -- Finale 2004!

2003-08-14 Thread David H. Bailey
I believe those who upgrade from 2002 pay a higher price -- they are careful about whom they mail the upgrade notices and codes to, and keep careful track about which version you are upgrading from. Too bad the math on their web-site was so misleading! I don't think the 89.95 applies to

Re: [Finale] RE: 2004 Panic

2003-08-14 Thread Tyler Turner
Finale 2004 Registration FAQ’s Q. Does Finale 2004 have copy protection? A. No. It does, however, require software registration within 30 days of installation. Failure to do so will temporarily disable printing and saving until you do register. You may also install Finale on two machines (on

Re: [Finale] FinaleScript question

2003-08-14 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
In FinaleScript, will it be possible to set a key combination to choose an item from a menu? For example, a keyboard shortcut to select a Brad, I haven't found any documentation on the FinaleScript stuff, but it looks to me like you will be able to choose menu items by keystroke. By the way,

Re: [Finale] TAN: 2-Up Printing with Acrobat Reader

2003-08-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
Speaking from PC-ville: Booklet printing is normally available in the printer driver. My Xerox P12 and HP1220 both have booklet creation options. It's accessed through Acrobat Reader's 'print setup' dialog. After setting booklet properties, go to the print dialog itself and set 'shrink to fit'.

Re: [Finale] Intellectual property

2003-08-14 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:19 AM 8/9/03 -0500, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Frankly I can't imagine why anybody who intended to abide by the license would be complaining about this. It's for the same reason somebody might object to being searched while having nothing to hide, or to seat belt laws while always wearing one,

Re: [Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread John Howell
A co-worker insists that a deejay is a musician. I say that is a load, that at most he is perhaps an editer or producer. Can a legitimate case be made in his defense? Absolutelyl not! He does not create or recreate music, he uses other people's music. And for the anal, the true test is

Re: [Finale] TAN: OSX Booklet printing (e.g., w/ Acrobat Reader)

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
-Original Message- From: d. collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Clickbook works much better than Fineprint, in my opinion (and I've used both). Clikbook (which is the software I was thinking about when I started this post) does not work in OSX, according to the website. I never

Re: [Finale] Re: Registration codes and copyright

2003-08-14 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Relative to the issue of re-registration, David wrote, in part I read with interest Tyler's Q/A post, where Finale2004 will have a maintenance release that will include the ability for us to transport the registration code to a different machine -- that is EXACTLY the garbage that Sibelius

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 10:38 AM 8/8/2003 -0400, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Within days, if not hours, of the new version being out, there will be cracks available. Don't be so sure. There were multiple cracks for every version of software I produced. I had a very primitive protection system that was easy to

Re: [Finale] First FIN 2k5 question

2003-08-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 09.08.2003 2:06 Uhr, Noel Stoutenburg wrote In discussing a side issue with a friend about MAC OS-X, the point was made that MAC OS-X is a variant of UNIX. This leads me to wonder, given that 2k4 is being reconfigured to run native on Unix, er, OS-X, whether we might, in the near (i.e.,

[Finale] TAN: What maketh a musician?

2003-08-14 Thread Crystal Premo
A co-worker insists that a deejay is a musician. I say that is a load, that at most he is perhaps an editer or producer. Can a legitimate case be made in his defense? Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN 8 with

RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review

2003-08-14 Thread Tobias Giesen
This action depended on Gadget Labs' essential integrity. I think Makemusic damaged that integrity by their dissembling description of 'no copy protection' on the website. That means I don't trust them to do what Gadget Labs did. Just because the *marketing* guys found euphemisms for

Re: [Finale] Read Thesaurus (was: Ted Ross reprint)

2003-08-14 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Monday, August 11, 2003, at 01:21 PM, Robert Patterson Finale wrote: If I didn't already have a copy of the Thesaurus, I would be happy to pay the asking price of $100, ridiculous though it is. I have found the Thesaurus to be one of the most useful books on my shelf. For those who haven't

Re: [Finale] Strategy for scores

2003-08-14 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Yes, I was thinking mainly of wind parts. I've seen so many horrendous combined parts that I cringe when I see them. I understand that a string section is managed differently, and when there are divisi parts in cello, e.g., that is almost always vertical i.e. same rhythms, harmonized notes.

[Finale] First FIN 2k5 question

2003-08-14 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
In discussing a side issue with a friend about MAC OS-X, the point was made that MAC OS-X is a variant of UNIX. This leads me to wonder, given that 2k4 is being reconfigured to run native on Unix, er, OS-X, whether we might, in the near (i.e., not too many upgrades in the future) see a LINUX

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