Re: [Flightgear-devel] SimGear warning cleanup patch

2002-02-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Petru Paler wrote: Attached. It's basically a couple unused variables, an explicit cast, some unused functions removed or commented out, and a whole bunch of pragmas removed. About the pragmas: Are you sure thay don'r mean anything on other platforms? Erik

[Flightgear-devel] ATC

2002-02-25 Thread D Luff
Now that 0.7.9 is released I've got round to looking at the subject of ATC again. This is probably going to be a long post so make sure you've all had your coffee :-) I basically hacked the ATIS support into Flightgear, on the grounds that is was the simplest possible part of ATC to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] plane banks to left side

2002-02-25 Thread Martin Dressler
On Sat 23. February 2002 04:12, you wrote: Please start with some yasim aircraft and apply parking break. Look at skid ball. I thought that it should be in the middle of tube, when sitting on runway. but it isn't. Is your runway flat ? I started on KSFO.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread David Megginson
Martin van Beilen writes: Working from a single thread is obviously the easiest solution, where possible. However, in the case of our property system, potentially any part of the code may want to access those properties. We'd have to assign one thread as the property manager, and do

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Threading is *really* scarey in a program of this magnitude. Even the current threaded tile manager is a big time bomb waiting to happen. We are getting away with doing stuff that's not guaranteed to work. We've taken a lot of steps to try to minimize the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG/Opengc Interface

2002-02-25 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: The effect is happening because the aircraft isn't consuming fuel. If you take off at full tanks, you never get any lighter. A real aircraft would have burned off a big chunk of its fuel store in the climb, and would have an easier time of it. As a workaround, try

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem report on release 0.7.9

2002-02-25 Thread Martin Dressler
On Sat 23. February 2002 01:06, you wrote: The flightgear side really only knows the current ground elevation for a specific lon/lat. FlightGear has no way to know the dimensions of a specific aircraft or the relative placement of the gear. It would seem like the best thing FlightGear can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Problem report on release 0.7.9

2002-02-25 Thread Tony Peden
--- Martin Dressler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat 23. February 2002 01:06, you wrote: The flightgear side really only knows the current ground elevation for a specific lon/lat. FlightGear has no way to know the dimensions of a specific aircraft or the relative placement of the gear.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Temperature and air pressure

2002-02-25 Thread Martin Dressler
On Fri 22. February 2002 23:41, you wrote: I've added two new properties tied to the FGEnvironment class (you'll see these only if you compile with --with-new-environment): /environment/temperature-sea-level-degc /environment/pressure-sea-level-inhg I'm sticking with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tower view

2002-02-25 Thread Martin Dressler
Someone needs to rewrite the viewer code to allow viewpoints to be added at runtime; then, we can define a tower position for specific airports and allow you to switch to the nearest tower. And as usual, I don't have the time (much less the programming prowess) to take on such a task. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Textures: any threading that involves portions of opengl needs to be handled very delicately. No, I wouldn't touch OpenGL. I'm talking about generating textures in-memory; they would then be passed off to the main thread for use by OpenGL. We're a long way from

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Anyway, in the back of my head, someday, I want to try to develop a case against the threaded tile pager and maybe figure out a way to to partial per frame model loading and unloading ... not that I don't desparately wish we could do it, it's just that I'm not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread D Luff
Curtis L. Olson writes: David Megginson writes: What you need to do is isolate the tile manager completely, so that it has (almost) no dependencies on the rest of the program, except for one structure for data exchange. I don't think the solution can be that trivially simple. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
D Luff writes: Surely it is possible to do a byte by byte copy of the tile from disk to memory in a separate thread, without *any* Opengl/ssg/plib dependency, such that the main thread need only access memory and not disk? Surely it is possible, but if your goal is to push all time

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC

2002-02-25 Thread D Luff
On 25 Feb 2002, at 11:00, D Luff wrote: thoroughly mess up radiostack.cxx. Hence I propose that all FGRadioStack does is to either just supply the selected comm frequencies to an ATC manager, or possibly do the station lookup in the Search() function and then flags hits to relevant

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread D Luff
Curtis L. Olson writes: D Luff writes: Surely it is possible to do a byte by byte copy of the tile from disk to memory in a separate thread, without *any* Opengl/ssg/plib dependency, such that the main thread need only access memory and not disk? Surely it is possible, but if your

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
D Luff writes: Fair enough. I was under the impression that it was the disk access taking the time. Registering new textures with opengl can take a noticable amount of time (especially when they are large.) Freeing memory (and any associated garbage collection) can actually be a *big* hit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC

2002-02-25 Thread David Megginson
D Luff writes: Also, am I right in thinking that the global ATC manager and ATC display manager should both be derived from FGSubsystem and declared in FGGlobals in order to fit in properly with the future direction of FlightGear? Yes, that would be a good idea. All the best,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Temperature and air pressure

2002-02-25 Thread Christian Mayer
Martin Dressler wrote: Is Humidity important? Why not report just air density and viscosity. IMHO viscosity is importanat for count of Reynolds number. Maybe Re don't play big role in currents FDMs but is really important for RC modeling. OT: What are necessary values for FDM. air

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Christian Mayer
Curtis L. Olson wrote: D Luff writes: Fair enough. I was under the impression that it was the disk access taking the time. Registering new textures with opengl can take a noticable amount of time (especially when they are large.) Freeing memory (and any associated garbage

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG/Opengc Interface

2002-02-25 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Andy Ross writes: The effect is happening because the aircraft isn't consuming fuel. If you take off at full tanks, you never get any lighter. A real aircraft would have burned off a big chunk of its fuel store in the climb, and would have

[Flightgear-devel] UIUC Paper Publication (FlightGear References)

2002-02-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Bipen Sehgal, Robert Deters, and Michael Selig recently published a paper on their smart icing system research, specifically describing their Icing Encounter Flight Simulator. [1] You can view this paper in PDF format here: http://amber.aae.uiuc.edu/~m-selig/apasim/pubs/ It is a very nice

[Flightgear-devel] 3D Model Configuration Changes

2002-02-25 Thread David Megginson
I've just made some changes to how 3D models are configured. The following properties are no longer used: /sim/model/heading-offset-deg /sim/model/pitch-offset-deg /sim/model/roll-offset-deg /sim/model/x-offset-m /sim/model/y-offset-m /sim/model/z-offset-m Instead, if the

[Flightgear-devel] C 172 panel

2002-02-25 Thread Sergio Roth
Hi, I´ve found this panel and it seem to be very cool. What do you think ? http://www.avsim.com/pages/1000/dreamfleet/dffull.jpg All the best. Sergio Roth

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C 172 panel

2002-02-25 Thread Jim Wilson
Sergio Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi, I´ve found this panel and it seem to be very cool. What do you think ? http://www.avsim.com/pages/1000/dreamfleet/dffull.jpg Yes, I saw that one not too long ago. Very nice vinyl texture. And the metal panel area itself is pretty darn near

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D Model Configuration Changes

2002-02-25 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Instead, if the /sim/model/path property points to a file ending with .xml, the FGAircraftModel class reads a property file at that location to get information about the 3D model. Initially, the following properties are recognized: /path

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG/Opengc Interface

2002-02-25 Thread Andy Ross
Jim Wilson wrote: Yes agreed. And probably with a 747-400 it is only those longer flights like London-Vancouver that get filled to the brim with fuel. Andy, is the aircraft otherwise considered filled to capacity (passenger/cargo) in the fdm? Um... I'm not sure. :) The configured

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Andy Ross
Martin van Beilen wrote: Actually it is fairly easy to make the property manager Thread Safetm. All regular r/w locking can happen on a per-node basis, and can be encapsulated transparently. The property manager seems like an ideal candidate for IPC messaging, so if we want, it can be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG/Opengc Interface

2002-02-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:33:03 -0500, David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andy Ross writes: The effect is happening because the aircraft isn't consuming fuel. If you take off at full tanks, you never get any lighter. A real aircraft would have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] C 172 panel

2002-02-25 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:57, you wrote: Hi, I´ve found this panel and it seem to be very cool. What do you think ? http://www.avsim.com/pages/1000/dreamfleet/dffull.jpg Now that's what we need, but with the yoke removed so all the switches below

[Flightgear-devel] KFLog

2002-02-25 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.kflog.org/ Check out that for a flight logging program. If only it had flight planning features Anyone know if we could hook it up to FlightGear? Thanks, David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KFLog

2002-02-25 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Findlay writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.kflog.org/ Check out that for a flight logging program. If only it had flight planning features Anyone know if we could hook it up to FlightGear? Thanks, Interesting, someone should download this and

[Flightgear-devel] Base Package Check Failed......????

2002-02-25 Thread Jeff
Hi Help Base package check failed.. Found version [none] Please upgrade to version 0.7.9 The above is what happens when I try to run ./fgfs (from the terminal). I am using Mandrake 8.0. Installed SimGear-0.0.17 (tar version) Installed FlightGear-0.7.9 @ --prefix=/usr/local/FlightGear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: Threading is *really* scarey in a program of this magnitude. I'd be adverse to adding additional threading especially if it involves something like the property manager. There might be specific isolated instances where we can do it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote: This would remove the need for locking (expept for OpenGL I gueass). guess, guess, guess. (I'm improving). Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] ANN: animating 3D models

2002-02-25 Thread David Megginson
I've just added the first, small support for animating 3D models. The spinning propeller for the C172 had been hard-coded into the C++, but now, it's defined in a property file; the propellers on the DC-3 also spin. The only type of animation supported right now is spin tied to an rpm property,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Martin van Beilen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 12:55:07PM -0800, Andy Ross wrote: Martin van Beilen wrote: Actually it is fairly easy to make the property manager Thread Safetm. All regular r/w locking can happen on a per-node basis, and can be encapsulated

Re: [Flightgear-devel] New subsystem: FGEnvironment

2002-02-25 Thread Andy Ross
Martin van Beilen wrote: Andy Ross wrote: For those with Java experience, consider the Vector class. It's threadsafe, right? No, it's not. Imagine what happens when one thread is reading it while another thread is writing to it. :-) Right. Now enumerate over it in one thread

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG/Opengc Interface

2002-02-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:17:29 -0500, David Megginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen writes: ..another point you guys may be aware of, is that some jets (military only?) tank _cold_ (40-50 Centigrades below zero) fuel, this allows burning off fuel

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Landing gear vibrations: some questions

2002-02-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..on Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:42:11 +0100, Lorenzo Scaldaferro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED] in newsgroup: rec.aviation.simulators: ..first, I need to apologize for showing bad form in responding by separate emails too, and for posting this onto the www.flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] KFLog

2002-02-25 Thread David Findlay
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:26, you wrote: David Findlay writes: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 http://www.kflog.org/ Check out that for a flight logging program. If only it had flight planning features Anyone know if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC

2002-02-25 Thread Alex Perry
Its possible that it might be necessary to write an FGFlightPlan module as well - can someone tell me whether real life ATC actually knows whats in a flightplan after its been filed or is it simply a case of the pilot just requests what's on his/her flightplan? ..this depends on

[Flightgear-devel] Broken Code

2002-02-25 Thread John Wojnaroski
Hi, On Jan 19 the FGEngInterface and FGGearInterface were removed from the flight.hxx source. It broke a lot of code in the opengc interface as well as internal logic to modulate the display symbols. I have made requests to this group for help in fixing what was broken by this change. I don't

[Flightgear-devel] (Newbee) Problems compiling MetaKit

2002-02-25 Thread Hoyt A. Fleming
I am attempting to compile (version 2.4.2-32) MetaKit, which is included in (version 0.0.17) Simgear. (I am utilizing cygwin to create binaries on a PC.) The ../unix/configure command appears to work fine. However, the make command creates the following error message: g++ -c -O2