In relation to this, AFAIC, if it aint in open access, it aint
visible. I can count on one hand the number of times in the last 10
years I've rooted around using my university's journal subscription to
download the official journal copy of a paper.
Usually, the stuff I am informed by is, in
Seconded.
If a resource is available it ought to be availed of. Its upto the
copyright holder to protect his work (and royalty stream).
I'm trying to put together a Pirate Party in India for this.
Sarbajit
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Stephen Guerin
stephen.gue...@redfish.comwrote:
In keeping with warez, you could have Journalz, Paperz, Resultz, Rezearch
:-)
On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Sarbajit Roy sroy...@gmail.com wrote:
Seconded.
If a resource is available it ought to be availed of. Its upto the copyright
holder to protect his work (and royalty stream).
I'm
Well, my point wasn't really related to the price. It's more about
cost:benefit, or perhaps low hanging fruit. The cops tell us to lock
our doors, not because locks keep out serious criminals, but because it
puts a tiny hurdle in front of the lazy opportunist criminals.
Seeing the bootlegs so
I think this is a serious and yet sticky issue.
Most of us expect to get paid for our work yet we want access to others'
work for free. Many us have (or have had in the past) institutions who
provide such access as a perq or means to do OUR work.
Among us there are many retirees and a
Ah... the Commons!
The Little Red Hen story is about a generous creature who tries to
help create or enrich the Commons and ultimately must retreat to a
selfish position because noone else will participate.
Who here is as excited about contributing to or grooming the quality and
value of
It's okay Glen, those results are high in the search because they're useful
to people who search. The publisher is using the police powers of our
government to enforce its monopoly on the book, but has chosen to limit its
marketing efforts to the richest people in the world and told the rest to
Ah, the local bookstore. I was in KMart yesterday to pick up a
prescription, so I wandered the book/magazine aisle for a few minutes. A
pretty humbling few minutes it was.
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
Ah... the Commons!
The Little Red Hen
Roger -
It's okay Glen, those results are high in the search because they're
useful to people who search. The publisher is using the police powers
of our government to enforce its monopoly on the book, but has chosen
to limit its marketing efforts to the richest people in the world and
told
Roger -
Ah, the local bookstore. I was in KMart yesterday to pick up a
prescription, so I wandered the book/magazine aisle for a few minutes.
A pretty humbling few minutes it was.
Ah, the corner drugstore run by your uncle's best friend! Now we have
KMart/WalMart/Walgreens/CVS/... and where
Roger -
What you're seeing is a new piece of common law being established.
If a trademark holder does not defend a trademark by action in the
marketplace, it loses it.
If a patent holder does not market a patented drug which could save
lives, it loses the patent.
If a publisher fails to make
Steve --
I think we do it not because every patented invention is an exemplar of the
system, but because some patents are so brilliant that they make up for all
the grief that the rest of them put us through. Sort of like public
education?
It's funny that you bring up patents, because I've been
Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell
you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is the sort of evolution I
was discussing under the library idea.
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:14 PM, SitePoint bo...@sitepoint.com wrote:
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Hi there,
This is your last
Roger -
I fear you have something here... but I hate to give over to it. It is
sending restless kids to detention where they learn from the rowdy kids
there how to be rowdy, then send the rowdies to juvie where the nasties
teach them... only to have 20% of our population in prison breeding
I dunno, Owen, sounds like a business that may be in bankruptcy in a few
weeks.
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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote:
Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will sell
you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is
Owen -
Now here's a deal! SitePoint, a well respected tech publisher, will
sell you ALL their ebooks/videos for $97. Wow! This is the sort of
evolution I was discussing under the library idea.
And how does that work out for Ed, Pamela, Fred, Tory, Bruce, Ruth, et
alii? Do they get
So, based on our conversation of maps between computing and philosophy,
I stumbled upon this book, which looks fun:
The Words of Mathematics: An Etymological Dictionary of Mathematical
Terms Used in English
Steven Schwartzman
But it sounds like it is out of your price range, at least for now. The
author (nor the
publisherhttp://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2009/03/reminder-why-theres-no-tipjar.html)
gets no money from you checking the book out of the library, so what are
they losing from you pirating the book?
From an author's perspective:
1. By downloading a pirated copy, you lower the number of books a library will
purchase which does cost the author.
2. Having a permanent copy has some value over a library book for many people.
Ed
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Ed Angel
Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology
I too have had to build an ethics, so to speak.
Books: For quite a while, I simply downloaded books to see if I wanted to
buy them. I deleted the download and purchased the book if I liked the
download. Also download books if I have the paper version.
EBooks: Similar. Then came the problem of
Owen,
As you know, I've never had any real objection to your position and I agree as
to the lack of a reasonable modern distribution system. I do get upset when the
conversation approaches the I think the price is too high so I'm justified in
making an illegal copy.
Ed
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Ed Angel
What about independent researchers not associated with a library
system trying to browse academic papers (funded by taxpayers) held
behind academic journal paywalls for $35/copy?
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Agreed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
Although I've found:
- The recent revolution by scholars against paper tyranny hopeful
- Many authors are posting their papers on their websites
The ACM was one of the worst, making the Turing Awards for-pay
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