Hi everybody, it seems that this thread went quite off topic.
I'm quite disappointed by the decision to discontinue the development of
a Data Mapper for the Zend Framework. I read this thread and agree with most
of the reasons against building a new one and waiting for the release
of Doctrine2.
-- Andrea Turso trashofmast...@gmail.com wrote
(on Tuesday, 01 December 2009, 03:22 PM +0100):
Hi everybody, it seems that this thread went quite off topic.
I'm quite disappointed by the decision to discontinue the development
of a Data Mapper for the Zend Framework. I read this thread and
First, the Doctrine integration effort is happening *now*, and focusses
on two separate integrations: one for the Doctrine 1 series, and one for
the Doctrine 2 series. Doctrine 1.x works with PHP versions = 5.2, and
many, many folks are using it with ZF successfully already (myself
included).
I don't understand why you did not use http://xyster.libreworks.net/ Xyster
ORM
It makes use of the Data Mapper Pattern and comes with a Unit of Work.
Doctrine is shifting to this approach for the version 2.0, but it's still an
alpha release.
It's a pity for you to have failed this way,
Hi Arié
Arié Bénichou wrote:
I don't understand why you did not use http://xyster.libreworks.net/ Xyster
ORM
It makes use of the Data Mapper Pattern and comes with a Unit of Work.
Doctrine is shifting to this approach for the version 2.0, but it's still an
alpha release.
If you'd like
Hello,
Its not a failure to recognize that a proposal generates lots of duplicate
code, which is currently better solved in other projects. This also
has nothing to do with Zend, since the component was approved
under the premise that its community contributed. An ORM is a huge
undertaking and
Hi,
drm-4 wrote:
If you'd like integration for Xyster, write a proposal for it.
Please Gerard, don't tell me what i'm supposed to do. You don't get the
point here, the question is : why did'nt you use Xyster ORM?
drm-4 wrote:
And Sensio is the devil...? What's your point? Let alone
Hi,
Arié Bénichou wrote:
Please Gerard, don't tell me what i'm supposed to do. You don't get the
point here, the question is : why did'nt you use Xyster ORM?
Indeed I don't get the point. And I think that is because your reasoning
is flawed. You are basically saying we should use Xyster,
Hi Benjamin,
Thanks for your reply.
Reading the
http://www.doctrine-project.org/blog/php-5-3-and-doctrine-2-0-teaser
doctrine 2.0 teaser , I noticed that Doctrine planned to eliminate the need
for an entity to extend from a base class. Althought, it sounds like writing
an entity class is a
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 10:08:39 AM
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Discontinuing Zend Entity in favour of Doctrine
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Hi,
drm-4 wrote:
If you'd like integration for Xyster, write a proposal for it.
Please Gerard, don't tell me what i'm supposed to do. You don't get the
point here
Hi Gerard,
You completely misunderstood my post.
This post is not about how I'm looking at open source.
It's quite simple : why did'nt you use Xyster ORM?
Benjamin gave me a partial answer with the base class entity problem.
-Arié
drm-4 wrote:
Hi,
Arié Bénichou wrote:
Please Gerard,
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Subject: Re: [fw-general] Discontinuing Zend Entity
-- Arié Bénichou arie.benic...@gmail.com wrote
(on Wednesday, 25 November 2009, 02:08 AM -0800):
drm-4 wrote:
If you'd like integration for Xyster, write a proposal for it.
Please Gerard, don't tell me what i'm supposed to do. You don't get the
point here, the question is : why did'nt you use
-- Arié Bénichou arie.benic...@gmail.com wrote
(on Wednesday, 25 November 2009, 03:21 AM -0800):
Reading the
http://www.doctrine-project.org/blog/php-5-3-and-doctrine-2-0-teaser
doctrine 2.0 teaser , I noticed that Doctrine planned to eliminate the
need for an entity to extend from a base
One such area is unit testing; it's far easier to test a plain old PHP
object than it is to test something that has couplings to the database
-- which is what happens when your entities extend from a base class.
This.
Also because Doctrine is established, has many users and wide acceptance,
Can we make sure the ZendX_Auth_Adapter_Doctrine gets into the
standard library whenever the integration happens?
http://framework.zend.com/svn/framework/extras/incubator/library/ZendX/Doctrine/Auth/Adapter.php
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Giorgio Sironi
piccoloprincipeazzu...@gmail.com
Would be ZendX_Doctrine_AuthAdapter (or something), wouldn't it?
-Matt
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:10 PM, A.J. Brown fynw...@gmail.com wrote:
Can we make sure the ZendX_Auth_Adapter_Doctrine gets into the
standard library whenever the integration happens?
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Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 7:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Discontinuing Zend Entity in favour of Doctrine
integration
2009/10/30 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:43 PM +):
2009/10
2009/10/29 Benjamin Eberlei kont...@beberlei.de:
Hello Keith,
you should take a look at Doctrine 2. As Zend Entity it implements the JPA
specification and is a true data mapper with models decoupled from Database
completly.
Looking now, I didnt think it was nearing release yet last time I
I have not understood. The component will be developed by other people? Or
it is discontinue for ever?
Benjamin Eberlei wrote:
I just want to inform everyone that I will discontinue development
on Zend Entity and in return invest time to integrate Doctrine with
Zend Framework on a large scale.
Excellent decision! Though I know writing a good ORM is a very fun job
and I am sure you will miss it,
-- Georgy Turevich georgy.turev...@gmail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 11:31 AM +0300):
I have not understood. The component will be developed by other people? Or it
is discontinue for ever?
Discontinued.
All development was being done basically by Benjamin himself, and my
team is
I use Zend Framework and Doctrine bundled together quiet frequently.
If I can be of any assistance in this new direction, I'm most
certainly interested in helping.
In the short term, I have some code to boot Doctrine is a
Zend_Application_Resource with configuration, if anyone is interested.
On
Hello,
Sorry about that, but I was a little bit skeptical about Zend_Entity in the
first place. Mainly, as known now, because there was only one person
actually doing it and therefore it seemed literally impossible to complete
it in a reasonable amount of time and maintain a good code quality in
I'd be very interested to have a look at your resource as I am just
prototyping now for quite a large system now so would be great to have
a look at what you have done. Thanks
On 30 Oct 2009, at 12:03, A.J. Brown fynw...@gmail.com wrote:
I use Zend Framework and Doctrine bundled together
Time to go back to using Doctrine then :( bye bye nice models.
Do you think it would be a good idea to update the Quickstart guide
now to not use the Data Mapper pattern and use doctrine instead?
I would strongly disagree with that move. I think ZF has always offered
2 solid
2009/10/30 Ralph Schindler ralph.schind...@zend.com:
Time to go back to using Doctrine then :( bye bye nice models.
Do you think it would be a good idea to update the Quickstart guide
now to not use the Data Mapper pattern and use doctrine instead?
I would strongly disagree with that
Hi Keith,
I agree that the data mapper is a good way to do Models etc but I
think the basic mapper shown in the quickstart does lead people into
trouble. If a newcomer follows the quickstart they soon find out that
modeling relations is very hard and they need an ORM...If we had
Doctrine 2
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:02 PM +):
2009/10/30 Ralph Schindler ralph.schind...@zend.com :
Time to go back to using Doctrine then :( bye bye nice models.
Do you think it would be a good idea to update the Quickstart guide
now
2009/10/30 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:02 PM +):
2009/10/30 Ralph Schindler ralph.schind...@zend.com :
Time to go back to using Doctrine then :( bye bye nice models.
Do you think it would
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:43 PM +):
2009/10/30 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:02 PM +):
2009/10/30 Ralph Schindler ralph.schind...@zend.com :
2009/10/30 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:43 PM +):
2009/10/30 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:02 PM +):
For those that are interested in my resource class:
http://gist.github.com/222645
I'm also working on making a resource for the CLI components, so that
you can do deployments from within your Zend Framework application.
For example, if the environment is a testing server, the application
will
Hi,
Also, this is my resource which i use: http://pastebin.com/d207ac465
Just add to config:
resources.database.connection_string = mysql://user:p...@localhost/db
resources.database.compiled = false; use compiled version of Doctrine
It enables autoloading for models and tables, utf-8 for
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 07:19 PM +):
2009/10/30 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Friday, 30 October 2009, 04:43 PM +):
2009/10/30 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
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Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 7:19:25 PM
Subject: Re: [fw-general] Discontinuing Zend Entity in favour of Doctrine
Hello everyone,
I just want to inform everyone that I will discontinue development
on Zend Entity and in return invest time to integrate Doctrine with
Zend Framework on a large scale. I changed my mind for several reasons
1. It drains up all my free time and I got quite a blockade from it.
2. I
I'm so sorry for this decision but otherwise I know this was a hard work
that you have done mostly alone.
Although the project is not finished, I congratulate you: your work has been
excellent.
Do you plan to integrate Doctrine 1.x with ZF? I think that I'm not the only
one tied to PHP 5.2. I
-- Antonio José García Lagar a...@garcialagar.es wrote
(on Thursday, 29 October 2009, 07:24 PM +0100):
I'm so sorry for this decision but otherwise I know this was a hard work that
you have done mostly alone.
Although the project is not finished, I congratulate you: your work has been
I dont know if its even possible but id really like to see some general
abstraction for ORM integration that these would be based on... Just to make
it easier to integrate Propel for instance.
Granted this would have to be pretty abstract given vendor differences - or
even differences in major
2009/10/29 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com
Ideally, we'll have both Doctrine 1.x and 2.x integration, for this very
reason - though likely as separate implementations (Zend_Doctrine,
Zend_Doctrine2). There are some commonalities between them that we can
leverage immediately
-- prodigitalson ant.cunning...@gmail.com wrote
(on Thursday, 29 October 2009, 12:04 PM -0700):
I dont know if its even possible but id really like to see some general
abstraction for ORM integration that these would be based on... Just to make
it easier to integrate Propel for instance.
-- Antonio José García Lagar a...@garcialagar.es wrote
(on Thursday, 29 October 2009, 08:17 PM +0100):
2009/10/29 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com
Ideally, we'll have both Doctrine 1.x and 2.x integration, for this very
reason - though likely as separate implementations
29 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- Antonio José García Lagar a...@garcialagar.es wrote
(on Thursday, 29 October 2009, 08:17 PM +0100):
2009/10/29 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com
Ideally, we'll have both Doctrine 1.x and 2.x integration, for this very
reason -
-- keith Pope mute.p...@googlemail.com wrote
(on Thursday, 29 October 2009, 08:19 PM +):
29 Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com:
-- Antonio José García Lagar a...@garcialagar.es wrote
(on Thursday, 29 October 2009, 08:17 PM +0100):
2009/10/29 Matthew Weier O'Phinney
Hello Keith,
you should take a look at Doctrine 2. As Zend Entity it implements the JPA
specification and is a true data mapper with models decoupled from Database
completly.
greetings,
Benjamin
On Thursday 29 October 2009 09:19:50 pm keith Pope wrote:
29 Matthew Weier O'Phinney
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