Re: [Geeqie-devel] Pay for feature

2017-07-12 Thread Roger
Yup.  Just figured this out today as well.

$ exiftool -s3 -CreateDate image.jpg

Prints only the creation date of the file to stdout.

I prefer the "-s3" option, as the option omits labels when piping the EXIF data 
within scripts.  Also look at "-S" and "-s2" options, as well as finding your 
related interested EXIF tag name or tag data field. (eg. CreateDate, 
ModifyDate, ...)

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Sourceforge blows

2017-06-11 Thread Roger
If you all will notice, there maybe an implied update to the Terms of 
Service... Usually corporations will do this to slide something through.

"[CHECK BOX] I agree to receive correspondence from SourceForge.net. I 
understand that I can withdraw my consent at anytime. Please refer to our Terms 
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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Github term of service incompatible to geeqie license (GPL)

2017-03-01 Thread Roger
> On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 04:29:00PM -0500, John Stoffel wrote:
>>>>>> "Klaus" == Klaus Ethgen <klaus+gee...@ethgen.de> writes:
>
>Klaus> Today I found that github changed their term of service effectively for
>Klaus> today.[0]
>
>Klaus> The new term of service seems to be a bit problematic and disallows to
>Klaus> have geeqie on github. Or better said, geeqies license (GPL) is
>Klaus> incompatible to github term of service.
>
>Klaus> I am no native English speaker and also no lawyer, but there is
>Klaus> a good analysis[1] describing the problems.
>
>No, there is one person's analysis of the problem, and who doesn't
>talk about the issue in a legal manner.  When someone throws around
>phrases like "it's now illegal" when a site changes it's terms of
>service, then the stupdity is flowing.  
>
>Klaus> Please have a look and comment. I think, the only way is to
>Klaus> remove geeqie completely from github. And please don't push any
>Klaus> content to github (the original geeqie repository is ok) unless
>Klaus> the issue is cleared. It seems that until we continue _using_
>Klaus> github, we agree with the new term of service, what we might
>Klaus> not be able to do.
>
>I don't know why you think these terms change anything?  It's just a
>way for github to cover themselves from lawsuits if someone takes and
>posts on github stuff they don't own.
>
>It's not suddenly making GPL software illegal on there at all.  Its
>like the terms and service agreements that lots and lots of other
>sites have in place as well.
>
>Please do not freak out over this, do not stop people from pushing
>stuff to github, and certainly do not apply the flaky reasoning of
>just one non-lawyer's opinion to this project.
>
>If they don't like the terms of service, then fine, they can move
>their project(s) elsewhere.  Big deal.
>
>Basically, all github is saying that when you push stuff up there,
>it's publiclly available and that you give them the right to make it
>visible to others.  It's *your* job to make sure you have the right to
>do so, not theirs.
>
>John

I'm no lawyer nor have I read the changes, but continueing a service after a 
change in legal terms is emplaced, could be construed as the customer agreeing 
to the new terms of service.  This is likely why Klaus (likely wisely) stated 
not to make any further commits to GitHub until he receives clarification.

If I'm not mistaken, Klaus is the big guy (or the party responsible), so things 
will likely go as he wishes.

I frequently encounter poor legal advice, and many people or corporations think 
they can do something when they really cannot do something legally.  And, a lot 
of people like to utilize fear tactics in an attempt to deter some apparent 
undesirable activity, again illegal in some or many States or Countries.

I do not think it has been so long that, many have not forgotten the horrid 
tactics sf.net enstated not so long ago!

This is one of the reasons why I would use a private server or private shell 
account for publicizing a software project, versus using something like github, 
etc...

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Geeqie++ fever dreams (+Win32)

2017-01-22 Thread Roger
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 05:03:36AM +, Ian Munsie wrote:
>   On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:35 AM Roger <[1]rogerx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Back in 2006 someone made a port of Gqview to windows. It died pretty
> quickly.
> >Was this because:
> >
> ...
> >c) Windows users are happy with what they have, and would not bother
> >with Geeqie
>
> My bets are on option "c) Windows users are happy with what they have."
> They're happy with the default Windows' image viewer.** The default
> viewer is
> extremely easy and apparently light in resource usage.
>
>   How about option d) Windows users have never experienced a decent image
>   viewer and don't know what they are missing ;-p

Ah. I always forget to factor in the parents' percpective into the scenario!

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Geeqie++ fever dreams (+Win32)

2016-12-28 Thread Roger
>Back in 2006 someone made a port of Gqview to windows. It died pretty quickly. 
>Was this because:
>
>a) GTK's cross platform capability is a bit of a fiction
>
>b) Gqview/Geeqie was too complex to port successfully
>
>c) Windows users are happy with what they have, and would not bother 
>with Geeqie

My bets are on option "c) Windows users are happy with what they have."  
They're happy with the default Windows' image viewer.  The default viewer is 
extremely easy and apparently light in resource usage.

I usually then resort to The Gimp under Windows for further image editing 
functions.  The Gimp GTK interfaces seems to work just fine under Windows.

Linux is a different story, as most easy image viewers are heavy on system 
resources or (more currently) depend upon clunky and heavy resource usage 
Python scripting.  For those of us that are a little more computer literate, 
ImageMagick display does just fine, but for photography image browsing, 
GView/Geeqie was a God send.  God send because GView/Geeqie is light and simple 
to use.

I also think if Geeqie keeps gaining more image editing functions with those 
functions not having switches for deactivating of such image editing functions, 
users may start to sway towards other more heavier applications.  (eg. If user 
is already loading an image editor, they may just opt to  load some other heavy 
XYZ application.)  Just guessing on the later here.  I'm one of those, if I 
need image editing, I immediately use the more defacto imagemagick or The Gimp.


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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Build for Geeqie

2016-11-20 Thread Roger
>
>Russel> I get the message. I'll go away.
>
>Christ, stop the passive aggresive stuff will you?  And get a thicker
>skin when people trash you suggestion.  If you feel so strongly about
>it, and if moving to CMake or some other tool will help you contribute
>in a major way to geeqie, then go ahead.
>
>Start a branch, start your work and put it out over the wall for
>others to see!  Please please please do not let some people not being
>excited for your idea mean they don't want YOU contributing.  They're
>down on the idea, not on you and your desire to contribute!
>
>John

I do not think anybody was even beginnning to trash his idea.  He just assumed 
we were.  (And you're probably correct, passive aggressive.  Albeit, maybe a 
wee bit obvious? ;-)

I could see where somebody might suggest integrating CMake to make a Windows 
port; but even then, we still have MinGW for AutoTools support within Windows.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Build for Geeqie

2016-11-19 Thread Roger
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:44:13AM +, Russel Winder wrote:
>On Wed, 2016-11-16 at 14:58 -0500, Roger wrote:
>> I have used AutoTools for my or others' projects as well in the past,
>> and find??
>> AutoTools quite stable, albeit sometimes cryptic to configure at
>> times.
>> 
>> I've tried educating myself with CMake, but found only low-level
>> documentation??
>> packaged with or available via CMake's website.All CMake's other
>> third party??
>> documentation costs, or are supposedly inadequate.Unfortunately or??
>> fortunately, CMake is still unusable at my end of the user
>> spectrum.As to??
>> Python being popular due to multi-platform use (and slow when
>> compared to??
>> C/C++/Bash Scripting); CMake is similar, providing cross-platform
>> use.
>
>The same is also true of Autotools, no nice documentation and way too
>low level, So CMake is at least a step up.

Autotools does offer a lot of documentation, however it is quite lengthy and 
seems to require additional lifetimes for reading and studying.  (e.g.  
Autotools A Practioner's Guide to GNU Autoconf, Automake, and Libtool By John 
Calcote, 2010; and the GNU Autoconf Manual offered in many formats such as 
HTML, ASCII Text, PDF, PostScript, ...)

>I do not see the logical connection between Python being slow compared
>to C++ and CMake.

Try programming using limited resources.  You'll quickly find C/C++ and likely 
most scripting preceeding Python to be much less resource intensive.  (Except 
for likely BASIC.)  No worries, many do not even obviously see this slowing 
effect, due to always having the fastest computers at their finger tips.  ;-)

...

>OK so you do not like Python. I'm afraid that is your problem.


>But I get the message: total lack of interest in anything other than
>Autotools.
>
>I am now sorry I even mentioned the idea of upgrading to a more modern
>approach to build.

... still quite busy learning Autotools here. ;-)

I personally would rather struggle a bit; versus forgetting all of my past 
lessons learned and getting spoiled and always relying on faster, more power 
consuming computers.  But then again, I do not get much time for coding 
nowadays except for Winters; although I am one of those always building (& 
sometimes) packing the software for distributions.

Sincerely,

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Build for Geeqie

2016-11-16 Thread Roger
Using "fgrep /usr/portage/* -r -e meson" on my Gentoo system, only results in 
media-plugins/gst-transcoder and media-video/pitivi packages using or 
optionally using the meson build system.

I think the Meson Wikipedia might be indicating GNOME, GTK+, GLib and GStreamer 
might be optionally providing meson support within each package's source code 
along side AutoTools or CMake.  So far, everything here on Gentoo seems to be 
either AutoTools and CMake, or other build system I cannot recall.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Build for Geeqie

2016-11-16 Thread Roger
I have used AutoTools for my or others' projects as well in the past, and find 
AutoTools quite stable, albeit sometimes cryptic to configure at times.

I've tried educating myself with CMake, but found only low-level documentation 
packaged with or available via CMake's website.  All CMake's other third party 
documentation costs, or are supposedly inadequate.  Unfortunately or 
fortunately, CMake is still unusable at my end of the user spectrum.  As to 
Python being popular due to multi-platform use (and slow when compared to 
C/C++/Bash Scripting); CMake is similar, providing cross-platform use.

CMake is basically a wrapper around Make, so I do not expect to see the same 
inadequacies I see with Python, except for maybe adhering to standards.  Python 
constantly has been known to break standards in the past.  I do not know what 
standards CMake follows, nor if they've broken any with version releases.

When I code, I tend to go with what tools others' are commonly using, which 
tends to be tools that are most stable and lowest consuming in resources.

If some source code breaks within AutoTools, I can fix it.  CMake, I just 
forget about it here. Meson, never heard of it either.

Ah, Meson Wikipedia; "Being written in Python Meson runs natively on Linux 
kernel-based operating systems, on macOS, on Microsoft Windows and on other 
operating systems."  Maybe they've finally found something Python is useful at? 
 
Or maybe now my builds here are just going to get extremely more slower than 
using AutoTools?  (eg. Slower meaning more CPU usage, and more waste of 
electricity.)

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GTK+3

2016-10-31 Thread Roger
>Hi Folks,
>
>lets try again GTK+3-Bindings. I seen today that debian enabled GTK+3 in
>firefox and it looks good. Especially the problematic points (focus,
>scroll bar, ...) seems to be solved.
>
>So I will try GTK+3 bindings again the next days. With this I will also
>have a look into all pull requests. Lets see. Just give me some time.

Ditto with using the default theme?  Using other themes besides the default GTK 
3 theme, still seems to have problems here?  (When I reverted to the default 
GTK 3 theme, a lot of my problems appeared to dissipate.)

One problem I see with the Evince PDF viewer with GTK 3, the right scroll bar 
is extremely narrow and does not magnify big enough.  (Also drives me nuts when 
scrolling line by line or by page size.  Sometimes I get line by line 
scrolling, sometimes scroll by page size.)

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[Geeqie-devel] Photo filters, categories, keywords

2016-09-21 Thread Roger
Using geeqie for it's filters, categories (ie. preset keywords), keywords; 
seems I'm having an easier time filtering by my own created keywords instead of 
by categories or the preset keywords.

Using the preset keywords (or categories) requiries a case sensitive search 
with using the complete preset keyword or category name to find and 
photos/images tagged into the specific category or preset keyword.

As such, filtering/searching by my own created keywords seems to work quite 
well.

Would also be nice for the filter/search window remembered or defaulted to a 
keyword search, as this method obviously works best... or just works.  The 
preset keyword or category would probably work best with a drop down menu 
containing the list of preset keywords or category names.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Release 1.3

2016-06-01 Thread Roger
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 07:39:15PM +0100, Colin Clark wrote:
>>> There may be people trying to use Geeqie who struggle just to download a
>>> tar and do a make. For them, compiler warnings are an unnecessary worry,
>>> because they do not understand that the warnings are in fact irrelevant
>>> to them.
>> I don't think that people who struggle over that output will ever
>> compile geeqie themself. They use the version, the distribution is
>> giving him.
>>
>I understand your point of view, but I am not in complete agreement.
>
>I can do a few things with software, but I have no patience when I am 
>trying to get other people's software to run. If I download something 
>from the interweb, do a configure/make and get a screen-full of 
>messages, I will not spend any time trying to understand it. I will find 
>another app and try that.
>
>I would rather leave endless messages that may or may not be meaningful 
>to the profis.
>
>I much prefer programs that, if they create a run-able binary, show no 
>message other than "It works, try it". I would prefer Geeqie to be that 
>way, but I am also happy for it to stay as it is.

Those are what those warnings are meant for, for the developer to migrate from 
functions that are going to be deprecated within the future.

Sometimes those warnings may be displayed only on a person's unique platform or 
the person's build environment which is different from the developer's build 
environment.  If you think you're only seeing the warnings (due to building on 
sparc, bsd, ...), then maybe forwarding the warnings to the mailing list or 
developers would help bring them to light.  (Correct me if I'm wrong here, but 
just realized this perspective just now.)

I think the warnings I see while building, are clearly indicated by "Warning: " 
prefix.  When compiling breaks, the warnings are usually a strong indicator 
just prior to a failed compiled statement.  Usually you'll see 20-40 warnings 
when scanning the compiler stdout or compiler text logs, immediately prior to a 
statement compiling failure.

Without these sometimes numerous warnings prior to breaking, the person 
compiling is left for looking for one compiler error amongst compiler stdout.  
(This usually occurs within when using the option "-j" with large values, etc.

Most times, users can just ignore the warnings unless the compiler fails.  Sort 
of like buying a used car with it's documented history showing.  Hiding the 
warnings, would be likely buying a used car without knowing it's history.

Also, warnings are sometimes indicative of unmaintained code, likely to break 
within the future.

Most users never see the compiler messages, as most just use the software.  If 
I'm not mistaken, those compiling can further customize the compiler messages 
by modifying their make.conf file.  Most just leave them at defaults, while
developers tend to significantly increase verbosity... especially when things 
break.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Release 1.3

2016-05-29 Thread Roger
> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 06:02:00PM +0100, Colin Clark wrote:
>On 29/05/16 14:36, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> Am So den 29. Mai 2016 um  4:01 schrieb John Stoffel:
>>> Just gettings the warnings fixed would be a good goal in my mind.
>> True.
>>
>> As you might have noticed, I already did some cleanup in merges 2943df6
>> and 6164a63.
>>
>> Regards
>> Klaus
>> - -- 
>My view, which is but one of many, is that all compiler messages other 
>than errors should be inhibited for a standard build.
>
>There may be people trying to use Geeqie who struggle just to download a 
>tar and do a make. For them, compiler warnings are an unnecessary worry, 
>because they do not understand that the warnings are in fact irrelevant 
>to them.
>
>They are only relevant to the developers - and unfortunately there seems 
>to be very few of those around at the moment.
>
>Deprecated warnings will never go away, because as fast as they are 
>fixed, the GTK developers are at work creating a few more.
>
>My view is that all warnings should only be enabled with the 
>--enable-developer option.

The only problem with this configure option, albeit this is the first time I've 
ever heard of such a "configure --enable-developer" option, nobody will be 
prepared for when something then breaks.  With the omission of printing 
warnings during compiling, developers will effectively loose hindsight, unless 
they spend more time to further state further configure time options to print 
the warnings.

Most who compile, need to keep apprised of deprecated warnings, for future 
problems or newer version releases of depends.

Furthermore, you're asking to change something that has been default for more 
than 10-20 years.  It would probably be better to inhibit a "--no-warnings" 
configure option.  In which I think there already is if you manually augment 
the gcc/gcc++ parameters.  (ie. cc --help=warnings; -W/Wextra)  But when I'm 
compiling, I usually always add the -W/Wextra, and further when debugging 
-ggdb, etc...  The more the merrier.)

I think if somebody wants to make the compiling statements prettier or more 
readable, I would suggest using Color GCC.  Color GCC compiler statements are 
more well readable too!

The other option used for source based distributions, is providing the package 
manager responsible for handling "extracting, configuring, building and 
installing", a quiet parameter.  (ie. --quiet)  Most people compiling, would 
likely use the package manager for quieting output.  When compiling every other 
day packages, I do use --quiet.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

2016-05-15 Thread Roger
>If people report a problem with the map, I will try to help solve it.  But 
>from the mailing list I get the feeling that the map is not a significant 
>function for Geeqie users.

Currently I use Geeqie (as well as the past gqview) as a light weight image 
viewer.  I tend to dislike bloated software, having features not used by 
myself.

Although I do not own a camera currently which automatically embeds GPS 
coordinates, I can readily see myself using such a feature had I owned such a 
camera.  (Nor am I well inclined to manually enter coordinates within the EXIF 
information manually for each image!)

On the flip side, to ensure this feature does not encourage misconceptions, had 
I had a camera embedding coordinates, I would likely readily utilize the 
feature.

So all for having this feature, but likely having a configure time option, and 
future will likely be default as more cameras have GPS by default.

I do have a rather large image collection from the past ten years, containing 
images throughout the US and overseas, but unfortunately no GPS coordinates, 
for which you can imaging is not a good thing!  Owners having the money 
currently would also desire such features.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

2016-05-07 Thread Roger
> On Sat, May 07, 2016 at 11:11:27AM +0200, Josef Kufner wrote:
>Roger wrote, on 7.5.2016 04:24:
>>> Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.
>>>
>>> Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
>>> - - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
>>> - - Buttons and layout are ugly
>>> - - Image display flickers when using map display
>>>
>>> So, recompiling it back with gtk-2. :-(
>> 
>> Ditto concerning gtk-3.  I love gtk, but gtk-3 support looks half-baked, or 
>> half-usable.  Might be considering recompiling all my applications back to 
>> gtk-2 on this note.
>
>Hmm... how crazy idea it would be to port Geeqie to Qt5 ?  :)

As crazier as it sounds, I still far prefer GTK over QT.  QT is ugly in my 
opinion, and pulls in far too many depends.  Although if you run KDE, you're 
likely not going to notice.

I think GTK-3 is at a stumbling block, and the it's own ugliness is likely 
temporary.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] GPS maps

2016-05-06 Thread Roger
>Now I recompiled it completely with gtk-3 and gps support.
>
>Works that far. But it shows me why I never liked GTK-3.
>- - Mouse wheel is not working in lists anymore
>- - Buttons and layout are ugly
>- - Image display flickers when using map display
>
>So, recompiling it back with gtk-2. :-(

Ditto concerning gtk-3.  I love gtk, but gtk-3 support looks half-baked, or 
half-usable.  Might be considering recompiling all my applications back to 
gtk-2 on this note.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Logo

2016-05-06 Thread Roger
> On Fri, May 06, 2016 at 05:57:49PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
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>Hi,
>
>Am Fr den  6. Mai 2016 um 17:43 schrieb Roger:
>> >I came to the "bug" report #252 where Martin Kopta made a try for a new
>> >logo long ago.
>> 
>> I'm not finding a bug #252 via sf.net.  I did find a bug #19 logo, but dated 
>> 2008.
>
>Not on SF... on Github[0]. SF is dead, dead, dead.
>
>Regards
>   Klaus
>
>[0] https://github.com/BestImageViewer/geeqie/issues/252


Looks really good and simple!  Some of the best things in life are simple. ;-)

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] Logo

2016-05-06 Thread Roger
>I came to the "bug" report #252 where Martin Kopta made a try for a new
>logo long ago.

I'm not finding a bug #252 via sf.net.  I did find a bug #19 logo, but dated 
2008.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] NULL-ptr crash in image_read_ahead_done_cb()

2016-01-18 Thread Roger
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 11:17:11AM -0700, Colin (Sandy) Pittendrigh wrote:
>   Just pep talk here.** I'm not a project developer.** But my (good) life
>   depends on this software. Without it I'd be a real sourpuss.
>
>   Geeqie, UFRAW, entangle, ImageMagick, Gimp and ZereneStacker.** All of
>   which are free to use except Zerene.** Which is still a bargain.**

Amen to that.  All the other bloatware doesn't compare at all to Geeqie.

Devoted Geeqie user, along with it's beginning ancestor.

If I want an image editor, I then use The Gimp.

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Re: [Geeqie-devel] 2 things I miss from gqview

2015-11-18 Thread Roger
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:01:05AM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>On 2015-11-18 13:32 -0500, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
>
>> Does the script work within geeqie?
>
>As I said, it is a command line program.  I run it from a terminal
>window, usually on the same virtual desktop as geeqie when geeqie is
>running at all.
>
>It may be possible to set it up as one of the helper programs for
>geeqie, but I have not done so, and I don't know if geeqie would
>immediately notice the change of name and redisplay its lists.
>
>It is written in python using the pyexiv2 library.  Let me know if you
>still want it.

I do most of my basic image file manipulations via command line as well.

Items such as rotating photos according to EXIF information, to renaming the 
file name more accordingly.  Simply and basic tasks should not be made more 
difficult by using graphical interfaces.  These basic tasks can be completed 
far more exponentially faster and among many more files than using a graphical 
interface.

I use the following within a Bash script function for processing my photos 
downloaded from my USB connected camera using GPhoto.

# Change upper to lower case filenames using mv & tr.   


 
printf "Convert upper to lower case file names...\n"


 



 
for photo in ${TMPDIR}/*; do
mv $photo `echo $photo | tr [:upper:] [:lower:]` >>$LOGFILE 2>&1
done

# autorotate images according to the exif-flags
# also set modification time to exif-date/time
# exit codes of jhead: 0=OK, 1=Modified
#jhead -autorot -ft *.JPG >> $ERRORLOG

# 0x0112Orientation   left - bottom -> needs 270 deg rotation
# "top - left" -> is up right, no rotation needed.
## jhead -cmd 'jpegtran -rotate 270 -outfile  ' *.JPG

# auto rotate images in place according to orientation exif data.
# requires: media-libs/jpeg /usr/bin/exifautotran
printf "  auto rotating images\n"
exifautotran $TMPDIR/*.jpg >>$LOGFILE 2>&1

# Set time stamp according to time exif data
# requires: media-gfx/jhead /usr/bin/jhead
printf "  setting file time to image exif time\n"
jhead -ft ${TMPDIR}/*.jpg >>$LOGFILE 2>&1

# jhead returns "1" in case of unsuccessful modification (e.g. rotation)
if [ "$?" -lt "0" ]; then
error "Error in jhead setting timestamp on file, code: $?"
fi


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