Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Walter Dnes
In the instructions here, I've set up a revised dev-manager ebuild in an overlay. I've requested the changes to be incorporated into the official ebuild and it appears to have been accepted. See... https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395319 It should be rolled out eventually, and the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 17:04, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:  In the instructions here, I've set up a revised dev-manager ebuild in an overlay.  I've requested the changes to be incorporated into the official ebuild and it appears to have been accepted.  See...

Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole issue

2012-01-03 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
emerge smartmontools then when that is done, do this: smartctl -t long /dev/sddrive letter here When you do that, it should print a message that tells when the test will complete.  It is usually a 24 hour format thing too.  This can run while the drive is in use too.  Sometime after that

Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole issue

2012-01-03 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012, 11:26:54 schrieb Lorenzo Bandieri: emerge smartmontools then when that is done, do this: smartctl -t long /dev/sddrive letter here When you do that, it should print a message that tells when the test will complete. It is usually a 24 hour format

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:00:12 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It is reasonable to assume that the answer to that question is yes. Any other answer raises the question why did Zac spend so much effort recoding portage just to piss off the odd user?. Hah! Many people here are probably

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Tanstaafl
On 2012-01-02 3:48 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:29:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: That works for the case where the software is managed by portage, which is likely 99.% of what's on Gentoo systems worldwide. It doesn't work however for the odd case where

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:49:45 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Neil, is the use of sets fully documented somewhere? I don't recall reading about them in the Handbook, but its been a while since I read it (and don't remember if I ever did cover to cover)... I can't recall where I found the

[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) mdev is not an udev replacement. It's a very minimalist udev designed for embedded systems and initramfs. These days, a full-featured system require a dynamic

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Jan 3, 2012 7:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) mdev is not an udev replacement. It's a very minimalist udev designed for embedded

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 02:00:48 Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/2012 07:22 PM, Dale wrote: I always knew I was odd. Looks like I have some company tho. Welcome to the odd user group Michael. It ain't us =) Nope. It ain't just you. It's me too. ;-) I'd rather the old default

[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: But I can see a use case for mdev completely replacing udev: servers and virtual machines. Servers, especially production ones, have a hardware change only once in every two blue moons. They don't need all the bells and whistles of udev.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:32:09 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) mdev is not an udev replacement. It's a very minimalist udev designed for

[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 03/01/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you go back through the list archives you will find the enormous thread that caused Walter to start down this road in the first place. His efforts are an attempt to deal with the gigantic bloat-fest that the udev devs seem to revel in. If you go back

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 20:13, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote:    But I can see a use case for mdev completely replacing udev: servers and    virtual machines.    Servers, especially production ones, have a hardware change only once in    every

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012, 14:36:08 schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht: The 03/01/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you go back through the list archives you will find the enormous thread that caused Walter to start down this road in the first place. His efforts are an attempt to deal with the gigantic

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Dale
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 03/01/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you go back through the list archives you will find the enormous thread that caused Walter to start down this road in the first place. His efforts are an attempt to deal with the gigantic bloat-fest that the udev devs seem to revel

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-sources: can't make menuconfig with user? User can't access ncurses?

2012-01-03 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 01:13:17 Gregory Shearman wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:58:18 -0200 Claudio Roberto França Pereira spide...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not currently at my Gentoo box, sorry for this, but if I don't post this now I'll probably forget to

[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 20:13, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: But servers have enough ressources to run udev and any required initramfs to mount /usr. No, no, no, you got it the wrong way around. It's not udev *per se* that I -- as a server

[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 03/01/12, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012, 14:36:08 schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht: It's free software so everybody can feel free to support him, of course. I think it's time consummed in the wrong road. I'm a bit curious how long this alternative can survive. :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: Then again, using initramfs is yet-another-component waiting to break. Knowing Murphy's Law, it will one day fuck up everything. And the mdev alternative won't follow this law? It's not immune to it, just

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:05:56 +0100 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03.01.2012 15:47, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:05:56 +0100 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get

(Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of investigation.

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Dale
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100 Nicolas Sebrechtnsebre...@piing.fr wrote: Then again, using initramfs is yet-another-component waiting to break. Knowing Murphy's Law, it will one day fuck up everything. And the mdev alternative won't follow this law? It's not immune

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately, they're so minimalistic and server-oriented that they use uclibc

[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Nicolas Sebrecht
The 03/01/12, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately, they're so minimalistic and

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 15:22:29 Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately, they're

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Though trying

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Mick
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 17:52:19 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12

Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Michael Mol
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 17:52:19 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files

Re: [gentoo-user] Secure Cloud Backup

2012-01-03 Thread Doug Hunley
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 20:16, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Well, I have no experience with their service (although I always planned to use them), but maybe you can try these guys [1]. They don't have file size limits and support everything working over ssh (including sshfs) as

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior

2012-01-03 Thread Walter Dnes
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:46:42AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote So your actual problem is that you relied on an arbitrary behaviour of portage from the days when the standard was whatever portage does today and you are unhappy because for you that is now broken. But no-one ever promised you

[gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed

2012-01-03 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, My gentoo box runs with linux kernel 3.1.6 (vanilla). The hardware consists of an Asus Crosshair Formula IV motherboard, a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor and two nviida cards: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti] (rev a1) 09:00.0 VGA

[gentoo-user] xpdf - missing fonts

2012-01-03 Thread Joseph
xpdf it complains about missing fonts xpdf hl5370d_ukeng_usr.pdf Error: No display font for 'Courier' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Courier-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Oblique' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica' Error: No display

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: I know. It's the I want to get the rid of initramfs thing that looks crazy to me. No one is saying they want to get rid of the initramfs, because they are not using one. What people object to is being forced to start using one. --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3

2012-01-03 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: I know. It's the I want to get the rid of initramfs thing that looks crazy to me. No one is saying they want to get rid of the initramfs, because they are not using one. What people object to is being forced to

Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole issue

2012-01-03 Thread Colleen Beamer
On 01/02/12 22:19, Dale wrote: Colleen Beamer wrote: On 01/02/12 14:42, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Colleen Beamercolleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/02/12 04:57, Mick wrote: On Monday 02 Jan 2012 02:25:45 Colleen Beamer wrote: On 01/01/12 20:29, Mark Knecht wrote:

Re: [gentoo-user] xpdf - missing fonts

2012-01-03 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 03.01.2012 23:15, schrieb Joseph: xpdf it complains about missing fonts xpdf hl5370d_ukeng_usr.pdf Error: No display font for 'Courier' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Courier-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Oblique' Error: No display

Re: [gentoo-user] xpdf - missing fonts

2012-01-03 Thread Joseph
On 01/04/12 00:20, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 03.01.2012 23:15, schrieb Joseph: xpdf it complains about missing fonts xpdf hl5370d_ukeng_usr.pdf Error: No display font for 'Courier' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Courier-BoldOblique' Error: No display font

Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed

2012-01-03 Thread Mick
On 3 January 2012 21:10, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, My gentoo box runs with linux kernel 3.1.6 (vanilla). The hardware consists of an Asus Crosshair Formula IV motherboard, a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor and two nviida cards:    02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia

Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed

2012-01-03 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if this is related, but here it goes: Unllike you, I'm running a (single) ATI card in a laptop and have just compiled and installed the 3.1.6-gentoo kernel. Like you, when I tried to hibernate the screen but

Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed

2012-01-03 Thread meino . cramer
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [12-01-04 02:29]: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if this is related, but here it goes: Unllike you, I'm running a (single) ATI card in a laptop and have just compiled and installed the

Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed

2012-01-03 Thread Claudio Roberto França Pereira
Just for completeness sake, try downgrading the kernel to 3.1.5 or lower.

[gentoo-user] How to get raid

2012-01-03 Thread Jeff Cranmer
Hi all, I have recently built a new system, running Gentoo on a Sabertooth 990FX motherboard. The board has a raid controller on which I'm running a 120GB solid state drive for the OS (Raid 0) and a set of three 1.5TB drives which were previously running as a RAID5 array. I can see the sda

[gentoo-user] Read only root filesystem on linode64

2012-01-03 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
I am trying to run a custom kernel with gentoo on linode64, but there's strange problem I'm facing. The root always gets mounted read-only, I don't know why. I have this line in menu.lst: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.6-gentoo root=/dev/xvda rw Also, the /etc/fstab line says: /dev/xvda /

Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed

2012-01-03 Thread Walter Dnes
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:03:49AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote ...I tried linux kernel 3.1.7 and it does not fix the problem. The situation remains the samesigh What can I addtionaly check ? An excerpt from the hibernate.conf man page...

[gentoo-user] Re: Read only root filesystem on linode64

2012-01-03 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Wed 04 Jan 2012 08:35:19 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: I am trying to run a custom kernel with gentoo on linode64, but there's strange problem I'm facing. The root always gets mounted read-only, I don't know why. I have this line in menu.lst: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.6-gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video editing advice on formats and size of file

2012-01-03 Thread Claudio Roberto França Pereira
Ok, I know what to do. I played a little with ffmpeg and avconv (ffmpeg's fork, libav, conversion utility) converting 3D YouTube videos to play at the Nintendo 3DS. Anyways, I'll pretend you're using ffmpeg, I prefer libav but ffmpeg is much more common (both are made available by portage, there

Re: [gentoo-user] How to get raid

2012-01-03 Thread Paul Hartman
On 01/03/2012 08:57 PM, Jeff Cranmer wrote: device-mapper: table: 253:0: raid45: unknown target type Maybe a dumb question, but is the raid45 module enabled in your kernel config?

[gentoo-user] Init Scripts Not Starting

2012-01-03 Thread Dan Cowsill
Hey list, A little while after I compiled Gnome and got things running, I lost the ability to add scripts to the default runlevel. I can run rc-update add xdm default, for example, and the xdm symlink will appear in /etc/runlevels/default, and that symlink will indeed point to /etc/init.d/xdm,

[gentoo-user] Re: Read only root filesystem on linode64

2012-01-03 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Wed 04 Jan 2012 08:42:48 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Wed 04 Jan 2012 08:35:19 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: I am trying to run a custom kernel with gentoo on linode64, but there's strange problem I'm facing. The root always gets mounted read-only, I don't know why. I have

Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed

2012-01-03 Thread meino . cramer
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org [12-01-04 06:25]: On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:03:49AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote ...I tried linux kernel 3.1.7 and it does not fix the problem. The situation remains the samesigh What can I addtionaly check ? An excerpt from the