Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On Sunday 29 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: Doesn't that give you a huge world file ... No: of course, I 'emerge -1' when the pkg is not marked 'W/S' in my pkg.ref. Currently, 'world' lists 97 pkgs ; pkg.ref lists 513 pkgs. OK, that would work. I suppose I don't stand much chance of trying to convince you that portage does a damn fine job of automating this (quite extensive looking) tracking process and just correctly doing what you want anyway? :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
080628 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:57:05 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: the problem with 'emerge world' (without '-p') is the user hands over control of his machine to an unreliable automaton, No one has ever suggested that you run emerge world without -p or -a. Damage caused by using a tool badly does not make it a bad tool. Esp if the tool's documentation specifically advises different usage -- dox quote snipped -- Yes, I had never bothered to read that, as I didn't need to (smile). So the problem is not folx doing 'emerge -aBcDdF world', but folx doing that where they haven't included a '-p' in there. So whenever anyone asks advice from this list in such a case, the first response always sb Did you do a 'pretend' first ? . Anyway, I continue to recommend my own approach to everyone, while knowing full well they (like me) will go on in their own way (grin). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On Saturday 28 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: your manually maintained log is entirely redundant if you emerge Genlop How so ? -- the site given by 'eix genlop' simply goes on re Perl. emerge genlop. When it runs it essentially parses /var log/emerge.log and gives output like so: Sat Jun 28 22:09:53 2008 dev-util/git-1.5.6.1 Sat Jun 28 22:12:28 2008 x11-themes/qtcurve-0.59.3 Sat Jun 28 22:14:30 2008 x11-themes/qtcurve-qt4-0.59.4 The benefit is that there is no chance to accidentally omit recording an update if you do it manually. and by telling portage to log to disk there is no real need to sit glued to the screen watching console output anymore. I know: I have 280 MB in /var/log/emerge-logs (wry smile). Anyway, I've just done my weekly update. There were 4 pkgs to process -- eselect-ctags fetchmail autoconf shared-mime-info -- also eix , which has a new version in testing (safe enough for eix). Of course, I make use of Konsole tabs to facilitate eix emerge, update 'pkg.ref' with Gvim running on another KDE desktop use Klipper to copy info between Konsole Gvim. I've been doing it this way for nearly 8 years have never run into a serious problem: HTH one or two others (smile). :-) I prefer to just let the software do what it's best at - mindless execution of instructions - and I get on with what I'm best at - not mindlessly executing instructions. I figure that if an emerge fails, it will do so with identical output whether I use emerge world or emerge package. If an ebuild outputs important warnings and/or info it's in the log file where I can examine it at leisure. I've never yet seen a case where emerge package would have left me in a better position than emerge world intelligently used. The closest case was expat, but nothing in the emerge procedure would have prepared me for the result of that - one had to emerge it to then discover the resulting breakage. These days we have @preserved-rebuild to handle even that. I guess we all have our favoured way of doing updates. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On Sunday 29 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: Anyway, I continue to recommend my own approach to everyone, while knowing full well they (like me) will go on in their own way (grin). Doesn't that give you a huge world file and no easy way to identify redundant and unused libs? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
080629 Alan McKinnon wrote: Doesn't that give you a huge world file ... No: of course, I 'emerge -1' when the pkg is not marked 'W/S' in my pkg.ref. Currently, 'world' lists 97 pkgs ; pkg.ref lists 513 pkgs. ... and no easy way to identify redundant and unused libs? This is clear when a pkg is listed by 'eix-sync' but not 'emerge -Dup world': then I can use 'equery d' to check whether anything depends on it. If I remove a pkg by 'emerge -C', I move it to a removed list in pkg.ref with the date I removed it what it was installed for, just in case something breaks (eg removing Ghostscript breaks printing): REMOVED 080113 sys-apps/setarch-2.0 [for util-linux : conflict] 080301 x11-libs/motif-config-0.10-r2 [for openmotif : conflict] 080419 sys-apps/mktemp-1.5 [for debianutils] 080425 sys-libs/db-4.3.29-r2 [for python?] This way, I should always know exactly what is installed why: if not, it's my own fault for being careless. That power over my system a big reason for using Gentoo (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
080628 William Kenworthy top-posted (ugh!): On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 12:41 -0700, Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? My Gentoo systems get this way for one of two reasons: (1) Some config files get overwritten (make.conf was one time) by accident and a few packages get installed with the wrong build settings (2)system inconsistency, mainly with libraries. revdep-rebuild may or may not help - if not, check all the meta files (`equery check portage`, and then manually check make.conf etc) sand do an 'emerge -e world' and go make several (dozen) cups of coffee No problems here now or (almost) ever. My 1st Gentoo machine (2003) is still available as a stand-by, last updated 0803; the current one (2007) has had no problems since install 0711 . My observation -- I've said this previously, but no-one takes it up -- is that the 'emerge -xyzabc world' approach to keeping things upto-date is the source of much anguish for users needs serious updating itself. I run 'eix-sync' once/week (later today Sat, in fact), note down the pkgs which it reports updates for (nice colored list), run 'emerge -Dup world' to get the correct order, then emerge pkgs individually (occasionally omitting something I don't want); if it suggests 'revdep-rebuild', I do that with '--pretend' again emerge the resulting list individually (omitting eg 'gcc'). I have a list of all the pkgs which are installed, with dates what depends on them (if anything) or if they're world/system, which I carefully keep upto-date as I emerge each pkg. It's all a Sat job, which takes 1 hour on average. If I want a 'testing' pkg, I use 'ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64' record the fact in my pkg list (above). Done this way, there's no harm. Here are a few lines from my file 'pkg.ref' : W 080623 app-office/openoffice-2.4.1 [ ~ : compile: 2 h 11 m ; 2,3 GB ] W 080517 app-portage/eix-0.12.5 [~] W 071025 app-portage/euses-2.5.4 W 080608 app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.4_rc4 [~] W 071025 app-portage/mirrorselect-1.2 080223 app-portage/portage-utils-0.1.29 [for java-config-wrapper] S 080510 app-shells/bash-3.2_p33 071104 app-text/build-docbook-catalog-1.2 [for -xsl-stylesheets] W 071118 app-text/catdoc-0.94.2 [~] 080301 app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.73.2 [for mutt] 071105 app-text/enscript-1.6.4-r3 [for kdeprint] The result of all this is that I have (almost) never had any problem with my Gentoo machines since I started using Gentoo 0310 . 'emerge world' is the source of many problems regularly reported here. HTH (smile) -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On Saturday 28 June 2008, Philip Webb wrote: 'emerge world' is the source of many problems regularly reported here. Do you mean 'emerge world enter' as opposed to the much more sensible 'emerge -p world', examine output for problems, consider each update, examine USE flag changes for impact, resolve problems and then and only then run emerge world? btw, your manually maintained log is entirely redundant if you emerge genlop, and by telling portage to log to disk there is no real need to sit glued to the screen watching console output anymore. Just scan $LOGDIR/elog/* afterwards to get one file for each package that issued warnings and info messages. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On 28 Jun 2008, at 03:47, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. Now that's an interesting idea. Makes sense. It sounds like I should either learn to live with stable packages only, or go all out testing. There's a middle way too, at least for me. I run stable for almost everything, but if there's a feature I really can't live without, I go ~x86 on the specific package and emphasisversion/emphasis that has the feature I want. The advantage from my point of view is that the ~arch stuff becomes moot automatically, and I revert to stable as time goes on and the subject version goes stable or is superceded by a later version that does so. That package does not have to live on the bleeding edge forever. Me, too. It works for me I rarely have problems. Stroller
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
Alan McKinnon wrote on 28/06/08 08:54: The ~x86 branch seems to have settled into not-so-cutting-edge anymore, quite similar to what other distros release - Ubuntu for examples. x86 seems to be taking it's lead lately from Debian :-) Would it were so! tcp-wrappers bug 158306, opened on 2006-12-13, refers to available Debian source patches. The Debian patches, which enable CIDR notation in tcp-wrappers, have still not been applied to the current ebuild. The last 'news' in the bug was dated 2007-05-28. Yes, 2007, not a typo. Worse still is that bug 16091, closed on 2003-08-15, claims that the current Gentoo tcp-wrappers ebuild supports DNS. However, it does not work correctly, either with or without the ipv6 use flag enabled. Tcp-wrappers using DNS works under other distributions; the problem is definitely not a configuration error in hosts.allow and/or hosts.deny on my Gentoo system. Sadly, Gentoo seems to be slipping way behind other distributions. While bug reports are either being ignored or are being incorrectly closed, this situation will inevitably become worse. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
so, have you asked to become its maintainer to fix the bugs? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:50:07 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Do you think I might have swung from being waay too verbose to being waay too brief? Do you want the long answer or the short answer? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick When puns are outlawed only outlaws will have puns. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Volker Armin Hemmann wrote on 28/06/08 14:12: so, have you asked to become its maintainer to fix the bugs? Lacking the necessary skills, no. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
Grant wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. Now that's an interesting idea. Makes sense. It sounds like I should either learn to live with stable packages only, or go all out testing. This depends on how many ~packages you actually need. It's *not* recommended that you switch to a fully ~arch system just to get one or two unstable packages, that's why the package.keywords file exists in the first place. But in my case I found myself adding close to 75% of my packages to package.keywords, at which point the number stable packages lagging behind everything were so few that it wasn't worth the trouble. IOW: there's no right answer, but if your current setup isn't working for you then trying something different probably couldn't hurt. --Mike -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
080628 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:53:53 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: 'emerge world' is the source of many problems regularly reported here. No, it's changing package versions that breaks a working system, whether this is a result of running 'emerge world' or updating the guilty package individually is irrelevant. No, the problem with 'emerge world' (without '-p') is that the user hands over control of his machine to an unreliable automaton, which can do all sorts of damage while he's drinking coffee etc; if you emerge pkgs individually, you decide exactly what's going on watch. Bear in mind that every distro, and just about every OS, has the equivalent of 'emerge -u world'. Gentoo is not just another distro: if you're willing to rely on others, why not use Ubuntu, Mandriva etc or buy a Mac ? the attraction of Gentoo is that it gives you as much control as you want over what is installed in your box when how: you make your own mistakes. 'emerge world' goes back to the early days of the distro was AFAIK copied from FreeBSD; the idea has never been revisited. 080628 Alan McKinnon wrote: Do you mean 'emerge world enter' as opposed to the much more sensible 'emerge -p world' ... Yes, of course: I said I myself use 'emerge -Dup world' to get the order. ... examine output for problems, consider each update, examine USE flag changes for impact, resolve problems and then and only then run 'emerge world' ? 'eix-sync' its colored output does enough of that for me. your manually maintained log is entirely redundant if you emerge Genlop How so ? -- the site given by 'eix genlop' simply goes on re Perl. and by telling portage to log to disk there is no real need to sit glued to the screen watching console output anymore. I know: I have 280 MB in /var/log/emerge-logs (wry smile). Anyway, I've just done my weekly update. There were 4 pkgs to process -- eselect-ctags fetchmail autoconf shared-mime-info -- also eix , which has a new version in testing (safe enough for eix). Of course, I make use of Konsole tabs to facilitate eix emerge, update 'pkg.ref' with Gvim running on another KDE desktop use Klipper to copy info between Konsole Gvim. I've been doing it this way for nearly 8 years have never run into a serious problem: HTH one or two others (smile). -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately: correction
080628 Philip Webb wrote: I've been doing it this way for nearly 8 years Of course, I mean nearly 5 years . -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:57:05 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: No, the problem with 'emerge world' (without '-p') is that the user hands over control of his machine to an unreliable automaton, No one has ever suggested that you run emerge world without -p or -a. Damage caused by using a tool badly does not make it a bad tool. Especially if the tool's documentation specifically advises different usage You should almost always precede any package install or update attempt with a --pretend install or update. This lets you see how much will be done, and shows you any blocking packages that you will have to rectify. This goes doubly so for the system and world sets, which can update a large number of packages if the portage tree has been particularly active. -- Neil Bothwick If at first you don't succeed, you'll get a lot of free advice from folks who didn't succeed either. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Friday 27 June 2008, Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? No. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant Rock solid. --Joshua Doll -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Freitag, 27. Juni 2008, Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant a botched gcc-upgrade/clean cycle damaged gcc beyond repair - but that was easily solved by a 'unpack stage3, chroot into that, sync, emerge --buildpkg gcc, cp, emerge --usepkg' cycle. The following harddisk crash was much harder to work around ;) Apart from that: no. My gentoo works fine and good and without probs. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
Grant, I've had a lot of problems lately upgrading ~arch and masked packages. This is expected (obviously) but 99% of the time I am able to fix them myself without going through support resources. If you're using any that are ~arch and in packages.mask perhaps that is why you're having problems too! - Brian On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
Grant, I've had a lot of problems lately upgrading ~arch and masked packages. This is expected (obviously) but 99% of the time I am able to fix them myself without going through support resources. If you're using any that are ~arch and in packages.mask perhaps that is why you're having problems too! - Brian I think you're right Brian. Of course, this is nobody's fault but mine for using ~amd64 packages, but I only pull those in if I feel I have to. Quite a few of them now though. Does it seem like ~arch packages have been more difficult lately? - Grant Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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Grant ha scritto: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant Yes. Looks like my Gentoo box is rotting these days, but most probably it's me not having time at all to iron out even the smallest things. I have however a couple of *persistent* quirks I don't know how to fix. One is Kopete refusing at all to delete MSN contacts. The other is Flash+CompizFusion interacting badly. But I can live with that. m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:09:16 -0700, Grant wrote: I think you're right Brian. Of course, this is nobody's fault but mine for using ~amd64 packages, but I only pull those in if I feel I have to. Quite a few of them now though. Does it seem like ~arch packages have been more difficult lately? I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 24: New classic signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:01:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? No. How can you be so certain that not one of the thousands of Gentoo users is having such problems ;-) -- Neil Bothwick Not tonight dear, I have a Modem!!! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? After almost 8 months withtou an upgrade, I finally decided to go on with it, and to my surprise the only problem was a library that got borked. After a little research, it was solved and the rest was automagically done by portage. -- Daniel da Veiga -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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b.n. wrote: Grant ha scritto: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant Yes. Looks like my Gentoo box is rotting these days, but most probably it's me not having time at all to iron out even the smallest things. I have however a couple of *persistent* quirks I don't know how to fix. One is Kopete refusing at all to delete MSN contacts. The other is Flash+CompizFusion interacting badly. But I can live with that. m. I think I remembered seeing something on the compizfusion ml about issues with flash. --Joshua Doll -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Freitag, 27. Juni 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:09:16 -0700, Grant wrote: I think you're right Brian. Of course, this is nobody's fault but mine for using ~amd64 packages, but I only pull those in if I feel I have to. Quite a few of them now though. Does it seem like ~arch packages have been more difficult lately? I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: | On Freitag, 27. Juni 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. I would have to agree here. When I tried to use keywords to pull in some testing packages, I was in a world of hurt. When I just chose to use testing, most of the problems disappeared - those that remained were mainly packages that would not emerge. Those have been few, thankfully. Chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJIZWd0AAoJEIAhA8M9p9DABrAQALhEkIWm3LrcgL0XDhoBwoyt 14KpeN8xNa3nwkernGNRCqZNfe6OAaN/7rkTYusgL0rSy0SBQuweuvmfCZ9OY2oO LTgxspwqn8sZVGtOhbHgfkMDfX+TSgkKKh3XknEbpIjVTKkA/ZQa3ShvKj+BGTDp vTg00BJuO0LJbAbkG8Q8oMHO1MrKfjiIrGja8rgHX0LLYnyYx9BfNKumUPufEDo9 vYZkkhKcnsVhcaIUl/KgbSLAoWwli+4sKHGtfk9yWovaHHOaFjbjJEYS63fzXof2 iTGyrWd8HibJaNTiu8Kzs8C4CV5nE6O1T9MTo3d2QdvPXzlGvTxQs9vI2U0Q3ojO l+fVXtMuzN7ilfce0sGvIDT0h1pYy/A7R7W8zxs59GswJg2Z9wpTCwNvY7Kplx9u rM+rLTkdELKJljVZ1qZcgz9OfS1zMPUxGGDUMIgwiSPD0By0pQlEQ5vEwmYSv0VD Qy48H1ewvJwHqPajLt2TZ/3gNo35NgRe5b5jzPXxE5SAJs8WVsbhOvKDMns+ELsI BNGyRBUjGnoB32qRUXIDlPazd9JqLXNfMT4m141q8lRQJSVa1xPr2l10ziShU5T+ viiLl43zsRetPjX3pUGbR+/G857T3GtRd+ytdZjACniYYwAfna7ghpfmPfPpeN+e /4PxX0Slv7osY9BHf2qB =s87/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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| I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use pure | ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had recently | turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. Now that's an interesting idea. Makes sense. It sounds like I should either learn to live with stable packages only, or go all out testing. - Grant -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
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On Friday 27 June 2008, Grant wrote: | I think it could be the pick-and-mix approach to keywording, I use | pure ~amd64 on my desktop and laptop and the only problems I've had | recently turned out to be a corrupt root filesystem. | | yeah, mixing isn't good. Pure systems are way more stable. Now that's an interesting idea. Makes sense. It sounds like I should either learn to live with stable packages only, or go all out testing. I used to run ~x86 back when even the stable was . . . aheam unstable. After a few months of regular breakages I decided to go back stable and I have been very happy ever since. However, I am still running a number of applications ~x86, but not of course my system/toolchain and have not experienced any problems. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone else's Gentoo unruly lately?
My Gentoo systems get this way for one of two reasons: Some config files get overwritten (make.conf was one time ) by accident and a few packages get installed with the wrong build settings causing random grief system inconsistency, mainly with libraries. revdep-rebuild may or may not help - if not, check all the meta files (`equery check portage`, and then manually check make.conf etc) and do an 'emerge -e world' and go make several (dozen) cups of coffee :) BillK On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 12:41 -0700, Grant wrote: Lately it seems like a new problem pops up every day and every time I try to do something new it doesn't work. Anybody else experiencing that lately? - Grant -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home in Perth! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
