OT - RAM disks - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On 2013-10-13 5:49 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Talk about putting some stuff on tmpfs. O_O I have always wanted to copy the tree to tmpfs and run time emerge -uvaDN world. Just to see how fast it will go. lol I remember once I worked for an Apple reseller that had this accounting program that required them to do some kind of 'reconciliation' every month that required a massive amount of processing - it took like 36 hours or something ridiculous (literally almost took all weekend), and he had implemented a rule that someone had to be there the entire time to baby sit the process - apparently it wasn't uncommon for there to be an error that would require them to restart it - and this was on a pretty powerful system at the time. Well, one weekend, when we were building a system for a customer with tons of RAM (for the time) I talked them into a little experiment. The boss didn't believe me when I told him I could get the reconciliation processing time down to less than a day (I told him probably just a few hours, but wasn't sure)... so we made a bet. I took a Quadra 900 (or maybe it was a 950), and added a bunch of RAM - I think we got it up to 128MB or something ridiculous (this was in about 1992). The accounting DB was about 40MB at the time, but hey, we had the RAM, so I just loaded it up. I created a RAM disk, copied the entire Accounting DB into it, and started running the reconciliation. The process finished after about 45 minutes (I was even surprised at that), and while there were no errors and it said it had completed successfully, the boss was sure that something had gone wrong. So, he re-ran it the old way on the old server, and almost 2 days later, when the numbers matched, he just shook his head and paid me off, muttering about the lost weekends over the last 5 years he'd been there. He kept that machine around for running the reconciliation for at least a few months, but then I left, so no idea how long he kept it for...
Re: OT - RAM disks - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-10-13 5:49 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Talk about putting some stuff on tmpfs. O_O I have always wanted to copy the tree to tmpfs and run time emerge -uvaDN world. Just to see how fast it will go. lol I remember once I worked for an Apple reseller that had this accounting program that required them to do some kind of 'reconciliation' every month that required a massive amount of processing - it took like 36 hours or something ridiculous (literally almost took all weekend), and he had implemented a rule that someone had to be there the entire time to baby sit the process - apparently it wasn't uncommon for there to be an error that would require them to restart it - and this was on a pretty powerful system at the time. Well, one weekend, when we were building a system for a customer with tons of RAM (for the time) I talked them into a little experiment. The boss didn't believe me when I told him I could get the reconciliation processing time down to less than a day (I told him probably just a few hours, but wasn't sure)... so we made a bet. I took a Quadra 900 (or maybe it was a 950), and added a bunch of RAM - I think we got it up to 128MB or something ridiculous (this was in about 1992). The accounting DB was about 40MB at the time, but hey, we had the RAM, so I just loaded it up. I created a RAM disk, copied the entire Accounting DB into it, and started running the reconciliation. The process finished after about 45 minutes (I was even surprised at that), and while there were no errors and it said it had completed successfully, the boss was sure that something had gone wrong. So, he re-ran it the old way on the old server, and almost 2 days later, when the numbers matched, he just shook his head and paid me off, muttering about the lost weekends over the last 5 years he'd been there. He kept that machine around for running the reconciliation for at least a few months, but then I left, so no idea how long he kept it for... I remember those days. I quit my computer job just about a year or so before that. I think it was when I got tired of windoze 3.1 reinstalls. That model number sounds familiar to for some reason. ;-) I ordered the mobo. I'm worried that something could happen to this thing and me not have a rig at all. That ain't good. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Sunday 13 Oct 2013 22:49:41 Dale wrote: I don't overclock so I'm not worried about that. I did it once with a old Abit mobo with a AMD 2500+ CPU but it just didn't make much difference. O/C = higher costs. You need higher frequency memory, bigger CPU/case coolers and potentially a bigger PSU. If your budget is constrained then buy memory/cooler/PSU that will run with default settings. The 10% performance improvement that a modern CPU may give you when O/C is not really worth the hassle. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Mick wrote: On Sunday 13 Oct 2013 22:49:41 Dale wrote: I don't overclock so I'm not worried about that. I did it once with a old Abit mobo with a AMD 2500+ CPU but it just didn't make much difference. O/C = higher costs. You need higher frequency memory, bigger CPU/case coolers and potentially a bigger PSU. If your budget is constrained then buy memory/cooler/PSU that will run with default settings. The 10% performance improvement that a modern CPU may give you when O/C is not really worth the hassle. I got plenty of all that for sure. My P/S is much to large. The CPU cooler is plain huge for the CPU I got. I don't know what the memory could do but I just run it at stock speeds. When I build a rig, I try to buiild it like a tank. The military type tank. I try to build to last at least 7 or 8 years maybe 9. I'm sort of disappointed if this mobo is going out already. It's way to early for my liking. I think it is only like 3 years old. My old Abit was about 8 years old and it was working fine, just slowly. ;-) Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: OT - RAM disks - WAS Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Oct 14, 2013 6:04 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2013-10-13 5:49 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Talk about putting some stuff on tmpfs. O_O I have always wanted to copy the tree to tmpfs and run time emerge -uvaDN world. Just to see how fast it will go. lol I remember once I worked for an Apple reseller that had this accounting program that required them to do some kind of 'reconciliation' every month that required a massive amount of processing - it took like 36 hours or something ridiculous (literally almost took all weekend), and he had implemented a rule that someone had to be there the entire time to baby sit the process - apparently it wasn't uncommon for there to be an error that would require them to restart it - and this was on a pretty powerful system at the time. Well, one weekend, when we were building a system for a customer with tons of RAM (for the time) I talked them into a little experiment. The boss didn't believe me when I told him I could get the reconciliation processing time down to less than a day (I told him probably just a few hours, but wasn't sure)... so we made a bet. I took a Quadra 900 (or maybe it was a 950), and added a bunch of RAM - I think we got it up to 128MB or something ridiculous (this was in about 1992). The accounting DB was about 40MB at the time, but hey, we had the RAM, so I just loaded it up. I created a RAM disk, copied the entire Accounting DB into it, and started running the reconciliation. The process finished after about 45 minutes (I was even surprised at that), and while there were no errors and it said it had completed successfully, the boss was sure that something had gone wrong. So, he re-ran it the old way on the old server, and almost 2 days later, when the numbers matched, he just shook his head and paid me off, muttering about the lost weekends over the last 5 years he'd been there. He kept that machine around for running the reconciliation for at least a few months, but then I left, so no idea how long he kept it for... Nce.. 48x performance improvement? I know of some DBA who would gladly pay an arm + a leg + their grandmothers for that kind of improvement :-) Kind of tangential, but that's what Oracle is aiming with their TimesTen product: give the server oodles of RAM, and load the database in memory. Another similar performance-improving method would be using Fusion-IO to load the database into direct-memory-mapped SSDs. They claimed that the most high-end Fusion-IO devices can reach up to 9 million IOPS... Rgds, --
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Basically, it looks like you have a once-off event. Until it happens again, very little you can do wrt troubleshooting I agree. It ran for days with no problems that I saw. Sure is weird tho. I just wonder if something outside the puter happened and triggered something. Who knows. Dale :-) :-) Still no fix on the error message. Maybe it is hardware and related to this? I started having issues with the network again. This time, it wasn't just browsers. It would be other stuff like Pidgin and such. Generally restarting the network corrected the problem, after restarting the other programs too since they would hang up. Anyway, I got tired of this so I pulled a ethernet card from my junk drawer, pulled some hair out trying to find the dmfe driver in the kernel and got it working. Since moving away from the ethernet that is built into the mobo and to this card, not a issue yet. I have not had a single hiccup. So, as with my last rig, the ethernet port on the mobo just start to suck after a while it seems. :/ Now I just wish I could figure out this other USB issue. I suspect it could be a hardware issue. I may have to upgrade my rig after all and I don't really want to do that and may not be able to right away. Memory question. The mobo I have uses this: Support for DDR3 1666(OC)/1333/1066 MHz memory modules I have the 1666 on here. It was what was on sale. :-D The new mobo calls for this: DDR3 2000(OC)/1866/1600/1333/1066 Are the two compatible? Both are DDR3. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Sunday 13 Oct 2013 13:26:31 Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Basically, it looks like you have a once-off event. Until it happens again, very little you can do wrt troubleshooting I agree. It ran for days with no problems that I saw. Sure is weird tho. I just wonder if something outside the puter happened and triggered something. Who knows. Dale :-) :-) Still no fix on the error message. Maybe it is hardware and related to this? I started having issues with the network again. This time, it wasn't just browsers. It would be other stuff like Pidgin and such. Generally restarting the network corrected the problem, after restarting the other programs too since they would hang up. Anyway, I got tired of this so I pulled a ethernet card from my junk drawer, pulled some hair out trying to find the dmfe driver in the kernel and got it working. Since moving away from the ethernet that is built into the mobo and to this card, not a issue yet. I have not had a single hiccup. So, as with my last rig, the ethernet port on the mobo just start to suck after a while it seems. :/ Now I just wish I could figure out this other USB issue. I suspect it could be a hardware issue. I may have to upgrade my rig after all and I don't really want to do that and may not be able to right away. Memory question. The mobo I have uses this: Support for DDR3 1666(OC)/1333/1066 MHz memory modules I have the 1666 on here. It was what was on sale. :-D The new mobo calls for this: DDR3 2000(OC)/1866/1600/1333/1066 Are the two compatible? Both are DDR3. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) They are, although the new MoBo memory can be overclocked higher. Bear in mind that some MoBos will complain if they are not fitted with identical memory modules. Somehow I happen to come across them each time ... :-( -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Mick wrote: On Sunday 13 Oct 2013 13:26:31 Dale wrote: Memory question. The mobo I have uses this: Support for DDR3 1666(OC)/1333/1066 MHz memory modules I have the 1666 on here. It was what was on sale. :-D The new mobo calls for this: DDR3 2000(OC)/1866/1600/1333/1066 Are the two compatible? Both are DDR3. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) They are, although the new MoBo memory can be overclocked higher. Bear in mind that some MoBos will complain if they are not fitted with identical memory modules. Somehow I happen to come across them each time ... :-( So I can buy the mobo and reuse the memory I have now? That will help a LOT right now. The new mobo will support twice the amount of ram but I can upgrade that and the CPU later on. The mobo I am looking at is this one: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4717#ov The mobo I currently have is here: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3320#sp I don't overclock so I'm not worried about that. I did it once with a old Abit mobo with a AMD 2500+ CPU but it just didn't make much difference. The memory I have is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313 It appears I looked at something wrong here. The one I have is the same as what the mobo calls for. I think??? I need to sleep more and I got to much stuff going on. :/ I wonder where I got the 1666 from?? It appears that I should be good to go with the new mobo. Use my old ram, upgrade with 8GB sticks as I can and they go on sale. In the end, I can have up to 32GBs of ram. Talk about putting some stuff on tmpfs. O_O I have always wanted to copy the tree to tmpfs and run time emerge -uvaDN world. Just to see how fast it will go. lol If anyone sees anything here that won't work, let me know soon. I plan to order this thing pretty soon. Given the USB issue, the ethernet having issues, I'm worried something else may start to break as well. :-( Thanks to all. Posting the question got me to see I made a boo boo somewhere about the memory speed. I think? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 19:28:01 -0500, Dale wrote: The original config had OHCI enabled. My mobo doesn't need UHCI. I didn't have EHCI enabled but likely don't need it anyway. I don't think anything I have is USB3 based on what folks are posting here. EHCI is USB2, if you disable that and OHCI, it's no surprise that your USB doesn't work. You should be OK with just EHCI (and XHCI if you have USB3 but that doesn't appear to be the case). -- Neil Bothwick Sleep is an excellent way of listening to an opera. - James Stephens (1882-1950) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 19:11:26 -0500, Dale wrote: I looked at those. They have no color at all. It's just metal on mine. I've had them for a while so I suspect they are USB2. Just a thought tho. They could be USB1 for all I know. They are USB2. If they're not blue, they're not USB3 and USB1 would be unusable for mass storage. It's only suitable for low bandwidth stuff like keyboards. -- Neil Bothwick Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 19:28:01 -0500, Dale wrote: The original config had OHCI enabled. My mobo doesn't need UHCI. I didn't have EHCI enabled but likely don't need it anyway. I don't think anything I have is USB3 based on what folks are posting here. EHCI is USB2, if you disable that and OHCI, it's no surprise that your USB doesn't work. You should be OK with just EHCI (and XHCI if you have USB3 but that doesn't appear to be the case). I may have typed that in wrong. To much *HCI stuff. I had USB1 and USB2 stuff enabled. I didn't have USB3 stuff enabled tho. I turned it on while I was in there, just in case I do ever need it. Turning off the USB1 stuff stopped my UPS from being seen at all. I posted another reply with more info on how I got rid of this error tho. Of course, that means the UPS can't talk to the puter either. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Alan McKinnon wrote: These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports) Well, I rebuilt the kernel and removed the OHCI and UHCI. When I rebooted, it couldn't see my UPS and nut couldn't start its services. So, it appears that mine must be ancient hardware. My messages file is still full of the same error after this change. That would be adding back the OHCI part. BTW, I didn't have XHCI enabled so maybe now some things will be faster when using USB ports. ;-) Is it safe to disable this and will this kill the messages: USB verbose debug messages This is a grep of USB stuff. root@fireball / # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i hci CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y # CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_SATA_ACARD_AHCI is not set # CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI is not set CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_OHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_EHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_XHCI=y CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD_DEBUGGING is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_TT_NEWSCHED is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_DESC is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_MMIO is not set CONFIG_USB_OHCI_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y # CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set CONFIG_PROVIDE_OHCI1394_DMA_INIT=y root@fireball / # So, now what? Can I tell syslog to ignore that error or do I need to beat something into the kernel? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 05/10/2013 12:13, Dale wrote: Dale changed his motherboard recently, presumably he knows what his chipset offers This is the rig I built a few years ago. It has a Gigabyte mobo but it hasn't been changed yet. I was planning on it but family issues moved that from a burner to not even on the stove and cold as ice. This issue just sort of popped up out of the blue. Also, I'm using the same kernel I been using for a while now. 3.9.5-gentoo I been using that kernel since the middle of June. I have tested newer ones but ran into other issues, nvidia mostly. Basically, it looks like you have a once-off event. Until it happens again, very little you can do wrt troubleshooting I agree. It ran for days with no problems that I saw. Sure is weird tho. I just wonder if something outside the puter happened and triggered something. Who knows. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On 06/10/2013 20:36, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports) Well, I rebuilt the kernel and removed the OHCI and UHCI. When I rebooted, it couldn't see my UPS and nut couldn't start its services. So, it appears that mine must be ancient hardware. My messages file is still full of the same error after this change. That would be adding back the OHCI part. lsusb, lshw, dmideciode and friends will tell you what hardware you really have BTW, I didn't have XHCI enabled so maybe now some things will be faster when using USB ports. ;-) Nope. The hardware only runs at whatever speed it runs at. A USB2 device plugged into a USB3 port runs at USB2 speeds. A USB1 and a USB2 device plugged into the same USB port makes both runs at USB1 speeds There's no magic software to change that. But if you plug a USB3 drive into a USB3 port controlled by an OHCI driver, it will run at USB2 speeds. Switching to XHCI is the only thing you could do to improve speeds Is it safe to disable this and will this kill the messages: USB verbose debug messages Well I have no idea. We haven't established yet what we are dealing with This is a grep of USB stuff. root@fireball / # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i hci CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y # CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_SATA_ACARD_AHCI is not set # CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI is not set CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_OHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_EHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_XHCI=y CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD_DEBUGGING is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_TT_NEWSCHED is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_DESC is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_MMIO is not set CONFIG_USB_OHCI_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y # CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set CONFIG_PROVIDE_OHCI1394_DMA_INIT=y root@fireball / # So, now what? Can I tell syslog to ignore that error or do I need to beat something into the kernel? First find out what those errors mean. Then and only then can you decide if they are ignorable or not -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 06/10/2013 20:36, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports) Well, I rebuilt the kernel and removed the OHCI and UHCI. When I rebooted, it couldn't see my UPS and nut couldn't start its services. So, it appears that mine must be ancient hardware. My messages file is still full of the same error after this change. That would be adding back the OHCI part. lsusb, lshw, dmideciode and friends will tell you what hardware you really have Yep, they say it needs OHCI. I also checked here and it says the same thing. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-770T-USB3 I guess my hardware is just a little out of date. ;-) BTW, I didn't have XHCI enabled so maybe now some things will be faster when using USB ports. ;-) Nope. The hardware only runs at whatever speed it runs at. A USB2 device plugged into a USB3 port runs at USB2 speeds. A USB1 and a USB2 device plugged into the same USB port makes both runs at USB1 speeds There's no magic software to change that. But if you plug a USB3 drive into a USB3 port controlled by an OHCI driver, it will run at USB2 speeds. Switching to XHCI is the only thing you could do to improve speeds That's what I meant tho. I have USB3 ports but it seems they have been running at USB2 speeds since I never enabled USB3 drivers. I sort of missed that. No clue if the stuff I am plugging in supports USB3 or not tho. Maybe my USB sticks do tho. Is it safe to disable this and will this kill the messages: USB verbose debug messages Well I have no idea. We haven't established yet what we are dealing with Those pesky errors filling up my message file right now. No clue on the network part since it hasn't happened again. This is a grep of USB stuff. root@fireball / # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i hci CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y # CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_SATA_ACARD_AHCI is not set # CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI is not set CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_OHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_EHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_XHCI=y CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD_DEBUGGING is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_TT_NEWSCHED is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_DESC is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_MMIO is not set CONFIG_USB_OHCI_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y # CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set CONFIG_PROVIDE_OHCI1394_DMA_INIT=y root@fireball / # So, now what? Can I tell syslog to ignore that error or do I need to beat something into the kernel? First find out what those errors mean. Then and only then can you decide if they are ignorable or not I have googled the error and there is very little info about it. Most of the hits now is my posts here about the error. I found something on the kernel list but it didn't appear to be the same error but somewhat close enough for google to grasp at straws. Basically, everything works that I can tell. If I can't change something to fix the error, I'd just rather get rid of the error. I'm going to boot a new kernel and see if that helps. I been sticking with this one because nvidia works well with this version but has some hiccups with other versions. Dale :-) :-) P. S. I may be slow to reply at times. I may be out of town a lot this next week depending on what is up with my brother. I know I will be out of town tomorrow tho. -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
More info to cloud up things even more. I tried different versions of kernel and each one of them produced the same error. I went all the way back to 3.5.3 and up to 3.11.1. I might add, I ran that 3.5.3 kernel for months with no problems that I know of, including this one. My longest uptime with that version was 193 days. Now ain't this interesting? Could this be a hardware issue? O_O Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
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On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:24:25 -0500, Dale wrote: That's what I meant tho. I have USB3 ports but it seems they have been running at USB2 speeds since I never enabled USB3 drivers. I sort of missed that. No clue if the stuff I am plugging in supports USB3 or not tho. Maybe my USB sticks do tho. Look at the connectors. If the insulator is blue, the device is USB3. -- Neil Bothwick You want us to do WHAT? - Ancient Chinese wall engineer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:24:25 -0500, Dale wrote: That's what I meant tho. I have USB3 ports but it seems they have been running at USB2 speeds since I never enabled USB3 drivers. I sort of missed that. No clue if the stuff I am plugging in supports USB3 or not tho. Maybe my USB sticks do tho. Look at the connectors. If the insulator is blue, the device is USB3. The USB sticks I have is made my Kinston. It has DataTraveler wrote on them. One is 16Gb and the other is 4GB. They seem to be color coded by size to me. I also have one made by Patriot that is 2GB. It has sysrescue on it. The only time I plug it in is to update sysrescue. I doubt my printer is USB3 but it is possible. The scanner I got recently, thrift store find, is likely USB2 based on age. I could dig around and find out I guess. Heck, it's sort of slow to scan anyway. ;-) I do recall when I built this rig, I have some that are USB2 and some that are USB3. I put the USB3 stuff on the front since I plug my USB sticks there. I'm almost certain the UPS is USB1, mostly confirmed by recent kernel test. Who needs a fast connection to a UPS. lol powers off, shutdown. As Elmer says, that's all folks. lol The UPS doesn't need to say a whole heck of a lot. If I had a external hard drive that was hooked to USB, then I would really want USB3 to work. That would make a huge difference. Now to get rid of/fix this silly error mess. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 03:31:43PM -0500, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:24:25 -0500, Dale wrote: That's what I meant tho. I have USB3 ports but it seems they have been running at USB2 speeds since I never enabled USB3 drivers. I sort of missed that. No clue if the stuff I am plugging in supports USB3 or not tho. Maybe my USB sticks do tho. Look at the connectors. If the insulator is blue, the device is USB3. ^^-^ The USB sticks I have is made my Kinston. It has DataTraveler wrote on them. One is 16Gb and the other is 4GB. They seem to be color coded by size to me. Please rinse and re-read. ;-) -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any Facebook service. I happen to have some time. Where is nothing to do?
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On 06/10/2013 21:24, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 06/10/2013 20:36, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports) Well, I rebuilt the kernel and removed the OHCI and UHCI. When I rebooted, it couldn't see my UPS and nut couldn't start its services. So, it appears that mine must be ancient hardware. My messages file is still full of the same error after this change. That would be adding back the OHCI part. lsusb, lshw, dmideciode and friends will tell you what hardware you really have Yep, they say it needs OHCI. I also checked here and it says the same thing. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-770T-USB3 I guess my hardware is just a little out of date. ;-) I thought your hardware was new enough to have dropped USB1 ports. Oh well. BTW, I didn't have XHCI enabled so maybe now some things will be faster when using USB ports. ;-) Nope. The hardware only runs at whatever speed it runs at. A USB2 device plugged into a USB3 port runs at USB2 speeds. A USB1 and a USB2 device plugged into the same USB port makes both runs at USB1 speeds There's no magic software to change that. But if you plug a USB3 drive into a USB3 port controlled by an OHCI driver, it will run at USB2 speeds. Switching to XHCI is the only thing you could do to improve speeds That's what I meant tho. I have USB3 ports but it seems they have been running at USB2 speeds since I never enabled USB3 drivers. I sort of missed that. No clue if the stuff I am plugging in supports USB3 or not tho. Maybe my USB sticks do tho. Your USB sticks are not USB3. I have yet to see one anywhere that is. I don;t thing they are even remotely fast enough to warrant it If you have USB3 drives, you already know all about it. It would have had USB3 logos emblazened all over the box, it would have cost more than a comparable USB2 drive of the same capacity, I will be newish (last 2 years?) and the connectors are different: The full-size classic USB plug has a blue insulator and if you look inside it has extra pins at the rear. The end that plugs into the drive is usually micro-USB3 and it clearly consists of 2 sections - a regular micro-usb set of pins (that does accept old micro-usb cables) and a second set that is slightly shorter. You can't get this wrong, the cables are very different and yet still backwards compatible. If your drives don't have such unusual sockets, they are not USB3 Is it safe to disable this and will this kill the messages: USB verbose debug messages Well I have no idea. We haven't established yet what we are dealing with Those pesky errors filling up my message file right now. No clue on the network part since it hasn't happened again. This is a grep of USB stuff. root@fireball / # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i hci CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y # CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_SATA_ACARD_AHCI is not set # CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI is not set CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_OHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_EHCI=y CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_XHCI=y CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD_DEBUGGING is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_TT_NEWSCHED is not set CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=y # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_DESC is not set # CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_MMIO is not set CONFIG_USB_OHCI_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y # CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set CONFIG_PROVIDE_OHCI1394_DMA_INIT=y root@fireball / # So, now what? Can I tell syslog to ignore that error or do I need to beat something into the kernel? First find out what those errors mean. Then and only then can you decide if they are ignorable or not I have googled the error and there is very little info about it. Most of the hits now is my posts here about the error. I found something on the kernel list but it didn't appear to be the same error but somewhat close enough for google to grasp at straws. Basically, everything works that I can tell. If I can't change something to fix the error, I'd just rather get rid of the error. I'm going to boot a new kernel and see if that helps. I been sticking with this one because nvidia works well with this version but has some hiccups with other versions. Dale :-) :-) P. S. I may be slow to reply at times. I may be out of town a lot this next week depending on what is up with my brother. I know I will be out of town tomorrow tho. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:36:50PM -0500, Dale wrote:
Well, I rebuilt the kernel and removed the OHCI and UHCI. When I
rebooted, it couldn't see my UPS and nut couldn't start its services.
So, it appears that mine must be ancient hardware. My messages file
is still full of the same error after this change. That would be adding
back the OHCI part.
BTW, I didn't have XHCI enabled so maybe now some things will be faster
when using USB ports. ;-)
Is it safe to disable this and will this kill the messages: USB verbose
debug messages
This is a grep of USB stuff.
root@fireball / # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i hci
CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y
# CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_ACARD_AHCI is not set
# CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI is not set
CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_OHCI=y
CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_EHCI=y
CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_XHCI=y
CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y
# CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD_DEBUGGING is not set
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y
# CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT is not set
# CONFIG_USB_EHCI_TT_NEWSCHED is not set
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y
CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=y
# CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set
# CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set
# CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_DESC is not set
# CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_MMIO is not set
CONFIG_USB_OHCI_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y
# CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set
CONFIG_PROVIDE_OHCI1394_DMA_INIT=y
root@fireball / #
So, now what? Can I tell syslog to ignore that error or do I need to
beat something into the kernel?
Dale
Is this your motherboard?
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3320#sp
If so, you have 6 USB 2.0 ports, and 2 USB 3.0. The ports with blue are the
USB 3.0 ports. Therefore, your kernel needs EHCI (USB 2.0/1.0/1.1) and XHCI
(USB 3.0). (This is not including the internal connectors on your board which
might have a cable running to the front of your case as USB 2.0.)
No matter how special you think your setup is, you don't need OHCI. The EHCI
driver for the port is backwards compatible with a USB 1.{0,1} device. I've
tested this on my boards using the only USB 1.1 device I brought back from
China. If you doubt me, build your kernel with this:
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM=y
CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y
CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD is not set
CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set
boot into it, issue tail -f /var/log/messages and plug in your USB devices.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 23:07:20 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Your USB sticks are not USB3. I have yet to see one anywhere that is. I can send you a photo of mine :) I don;t thing they are even remotely fast enough to warrant it It is noticeably, but not massively, faster. -- Neil Bothwick The severity of the itch is inversely proportional to the reach. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Frank Steinmetzger wrote: On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 03:31:43PM -0500, Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 14:24:25 -0500, Dale wrote: That's what I meant tho. I have USB3 ports but it seems they have been running at USB2 speeds since I never enabled USB3 drivers. I sort of missed that. No clue if the stuff I am plugging in supports USB3 or not tho. Maybe my USB sticks do tho. Look at the connectors. If the insulator is blue, the device is USB3. ^^-^ The USB sticks I have is made my Kinston. It has DataTraveler wrote on them. One is 16Gb and the other is 4GB. They seem to be color coded by size to me. Please rinse and re-read. ;-) I looked at those. They have no color at all. It's just metal on mine. I've had them for a while so I suspect they are USB2. Just a thought tho. They could be USB1 for all I know. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Bruce Hill wrote:
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 01:36:50PM -0500, Dale wrote:
Well, I rebuilt the kernel and removed the OHCI and UHCI. When I
rebooted, it couldn't see my UPS and nut couldn't start its services.
So, it appears that mine must be ancient hardware. My messages file
is still full of the same error after this change. That would be adding
back the OHCI part.
BTW, I didn't have XHCI enabled so maybe now some things will be faster
when using USB ports. ;-)
Is it safe to disable this and will this kill the messages: USB verbose
debug messages
This is a grep of USB stuff.
root@fireball / # zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i hci
CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y
# CONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM is not set
# CONFIG_SATA_ACARD_AHCI is not set
# CONFIG_FIREWIRE_OHCI is not set
CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_OHCI=y
CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_EHCI=y
CONFIG_USB_ARCH_HAS_XHCI=y
CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y
# CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD_DEBUGGING is not set
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y
# CONFIG_USB_EHCI_ROOT_HUB_TT is not set
# CONFIG_USB_EHCI_TT_NEWSCHED is not set
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y
CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=y
# CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set
# CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM is not set
# CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_DESC is not set
# CONFIG_USB_OHCI_BIG_ENDIAN_MMIO is not set
CONFIG_USB_OHCI_LITTLE_ENDIAN=y
# CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set
CONFIG_PROVIDE_OHCI1394_DMA_INIT=y
root@fireball / #
So, now what? Can I tell syslog to ignore that error or do I need to
beat something into the kernel?
Dale
Is this your motherboard?
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3320#sp
If so, you have 6 USB 2.0 ports, and 2 USB 3.0. The ports with blue are the
USB 3.0 ports. Therefore, your kernel needs EHCI (USB 2.0/1.0/1.1) and XHCI
(USB 3.0). (This is not including the internal connectors on your board which
might have a cable running to the front of your case as USB 2.0.)
No matter how special you think your setup is, you don't need OHCI. The EHCI
driver for the port is backwards compatible with a USB 1.{0,1} device. I've
tested this on my boards using the only USB 1.1 device I brought back from
China. If you doubt me, build your kernel with this:
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_PCI=y
CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD_PLATFORM=y
CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD=y
CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD is not set
CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD is not set
boot into it, issue tail -f /var/log/messages and plug in your USB devices.
That's what I did. I removed OHCI and UHCI, which was already disabled,
and after the rebuild etc etc etc, I got a error that upsdrv could not
see the UPS. It requires USB1 which is also what that other link says
for my mobo. It seems mine may not be backward compatible or
something. I just know that when I disable the older drivers, it can't
see my UPS anymore. When I add the older ones, I get all the errors in
messages but it sees my UPS.
The original config had OHCI enabled. My mobo doesn't need UHCI. I
didn't have EHCI enabled but likely don't need it anyway. I don't think
anything I have is USB3 based on what folks are posting here.
So, to recap, if I remove OHCI, my UPS can't be seen. If I enabled it,
it works but I get errors.
I just wonder now how long this has been going on. :/ Oh, I have not
touched the BIOS is ages. Heck, I can't recall going in and changing or
even looking at anything in the BIOS.
Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 06/10/2013 21:24, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 06/10/2013 20:36, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports) Well, I rebuilt the kernel and removed the OHCI and UHCI. When I rebooted, it couldn't see my UPS and nut couldn't start its services. So, it appears that mine must be ancient hardware. My messages file is still full of the same error after this change. That would be adding back the OHCI part. lsusb, lshw, dmideciode and friends will tell you what hardware you really have Yep, they say it needs OHCI. I also checked here and it says the same thing. http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Giga-byte/GA-770T-USB3 I guess my hardware is just a little out of date. ;-) I thought your hardware was new enough to have dropped USB1 ports. Oh well. Well, when I bought my mobo, it was on sale for clearing out old stock. For this mobo, USB3 was pretty new from my understanding. I think my mobo is just a bit weird. It is sort of Heinz 57 on what it has for USB. lol BTW, I didn't have XHCI enabled so maybe now some things will be faster when using USB ports. ;-) Nope. The hardware only runs at whatever speed it runs at. A USB2 device plugged into a USB3 port runs at USB2 speeds. A USB1 and a USB2 device plugged into the same USB port makes both runs at USB1 speeds There's no magic software to change that. But if you plug a USB3 drive into a USB3 port controlled by an OHCI driver, it will run at USB2 speeds. Switching to XHCI is the only thing you could do to improve speeds That's what I meant tho. I have USB3 ports but it seems they have been running at USB2 speeds since I never enabled USB3 drivers. I sort of missed that. No clue if the stuff I am plugging in supports USB3 or not tho. Maybe my USB sticks do tho. Your USB sticks are not USB3. I have yet to see one anywhere that is. I don;t thing they are even remotely fast enough to warrant it If you have USB3 drives, you already know all about it. It would have had USB3 logos emblazened all over the box, it would have cost more than a comparable USB2 drive of the same capacity, I will be newish (last 2 years?) and the connectors are different: The full-size classic USB plug has a blue insulator and if you look inside it has extra pins at the rear. The end that plugs into the drive is usually micro-USB3 and it clearly consists of 2 sections - a regular micro-usb set of pins (that does accept old micro-usb cables) and a second set that is slightly shorter. You can't get this wrong, the cables are very different and yet still backwards compatible. If your drives don't have such unusual sockets, they are not USB3 That's my thinking. I rarely if ever buy the latest greatest thing. I go down a level or two, sometimes three, to save money. Heck, my old rig was a AMD 2500+ single core system. This AMD 4 core at 3.2GHz is MUCH faster. It also can have more memory too. I could take the sides off and look. I know the connectors are different on the mobo but I'm not positive what goes to the front. If I recall correctly, I put the fast ones to the front but that's just my thinking too. ;-) That error message repeats about every two seconds. I'm glad I have logrotate installed or /var would have filled up ages ago. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Update. I figure what the heck. Time to crawl under the desk for a while. I stop the UPS services and then unplug the USB cable to the UPS. The error stops. I plug the cable back up with the services NOT started, no error but it spits out the messages that it sees the UPS and such. I start the upsdrv service, here comes the errors again. I stop the service, the error stops. I then tried a older version of nut. Same error when I start the service. So, if it is not trying to really manage anything other than seeing the UPS as being connected, no error. As soon as it tries to do something like talk to the UPS with the service, error messages. Does this help any? I may try some other stuff but this is interesting and getting more so when I find out more info. Oh, I also tried a different USB port too. This one has a blue circle around it on the cover. Must be USB3. ^_^ Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On 04/10/2013 22:19, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 04/10/2013 18:09, Dale wrote: Sometime last night while I was sleeping, my network sort of hiccuped. If I went to a Konsole, I could ping google so it appears the network was working on the lower level but not one browser that was left open would work. It also didn't/couldn't download new emails. When I restarted the browser, it worked. This is the case for both Seaminkey and Firefox. If it was just one, I'd think browser issue but not two of them at the same time. This is a example of what is in my messages file: Sep 29 03:10:15 localhost kernel: [382175.585718] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 88034092b0c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:17 localhost kernel: [382177.582033] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9d40 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:19 localhost kernel: [382179.586285] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:21 localhost kernel: [382181.582602] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:23 localhost kernel: [382183.586879] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 What I read from your description is that Seamonkey and Firefox hiccuped and everything else either works or was not tested. Assuming that those browsers share lots of common code - see where I'm going with this? The entries in your messages file may or may not be relevant, and if they are relevant it will be as a side effect. OHCI is a USB 1.1 implementation, I can't imagine why you have it loaded. Surely you do not have USB 1 only hardware? USB2 deals with that nicely. It is possible that you have a shit storm of USB weirdness going on and this in locking up the desktop. Try disabling USB stuff you don't need and see what gives. I do see where you are going with this and is sort of my thinking too. It seems tho, pidgin wasn't working either. I always have pidgin as online by default but was bumped off during this weird thing going on. Still confusing huh? Oh, my Konsole is run as root. When you say the browser didn't work, what do you mean exactly? Do all request just time out? Do DNS lookups all fail? Is the GUI just stuck? The kind of failure is important to finding the cause. I have something similar - when I copy many large files over wireless to my NFS share using dolphin, the gui is often stalls and stops responding to mouse clicks till the copy is done. Firefox is especially affected. I haven't found what's causing it yet, but it certainly isn't Firefox. btw, konsole isn't running as root unless you do something like sudo konsole from krunner. There's nothing special about a konsole where you became root. All the gui code that gives it focus and lets it run at all is still running as user dale. The only privileged process is the bash running in the terminal When I copied the first error message, I had my cell phone plugged in to charge it up. My phone charges better off the puter than it does from the charger plugged into the wall. Yes, I even bought a new charger. It charges but takes MUCH longer than when plugged into my puter. Anyway. Nothing else plugged in, no printer, no scanner either. Well, just thought of this. My UPS is now USB. I can't unplug that. The second post below the P. S. part, that was with the cell phone unplugged. I been online today and somewhat active. No problem so far. Not finding anything on google tho, that has me puzzled. I just checked, I am still getting that error in messages file. I may have to redo my kernel, reboot and test some more. Just remove ohci and uhci from the kernel config These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On 04/10/2013 23:52, Walter Dnes wrote: On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:35:33PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote OHCI is a USB 1.1 implementation, I can't imagine why you have it loaded. Surely you do not have USB 1 only hardware? USB2 deals with that nicely. It is possible that you have a shit storm of USB weirdness going on and this in locking up the desktop. Try disabling USB stuff you don't need and see what gives. Do *NOT* remove lowspeed USB driver... unless you have a rescue USB stick boot handy. I tried that a few years ago and found that my USB keyboard and mouse stopped working. UHCI is used by Intel and VIA cpus, according to the help in make menuconfig. AMD may be OHCI, I don't know. It depends on the hardware on the motherboard, not on the CPU. Different cpus for the most part have matching chipsets and the USB implementation is in the chipset. USB1 had two implementations - uhci and ohci. If you have hardware that is usb1 only, then you need those drivers. These days, that is rare. These days, most motherboards have lots of usb2 ports and when you plug in a keyboard, they run in usb1 mode but still use the ehci driver to do it. I have a usb1 keyboard and mouse plugged into this laptop right now: $ lsmod | grep -i \[uo\]hci firewire_ohci 31868 0 firewire_core 50381 1 firewire_ohci $ lsmod | grep -i ehci_hcd ehci_hcd 38782 1 ehci_pci usbcore 152800 7 btusb,uvcvideo,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,ehci_pci,usbhid,xhci_hcd No [uo]hci. And the only machine I have left with usb1-only hardware dates from 2004, everything else uses only ehci and the lowspeed drivers are not even built. Dale changed his motherboard recently, presumably he knows what his chipset offers -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 04/10/2013 22:19, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 04/10/2013 18:09, Dale wrote: Sometime last night while I was sleeping, my network sort of hiccuped. If I went to a Konsole, I could ping google so it appears the network was working on the lower level but not one browser that was left open would work. It also didn't/couldn't download new emails. When I restarted the browser, it worked. This is the case for both Seaminkey and Firefox. If it was just one, I'd think browser issue but not two of them at the same time. This is a example of what is in my messages file: Sep 29 03:10:15 localhost kernel: [382175.585718] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 88034092b0c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:17 localhost kernel: [382177.582033] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9d40 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:19 localhost kernel: [382179.586285] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:21 localhost kernel: [382181.582602] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:23 localhost kernel: [382183.586879] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 What I read from your description is that Seamonkey and Firefox hiccuped and everything else either works or was not tested. Assuming that those browsers share lots of common code - see where I'm going with this? The entries in your messages file may or may not be relevant, and if they are relevant it will be as a side effect. OHCI is a USB 1.1 implementation, I can't imagine why you have it loaded. Surely you do not have USB 1 only hardware? USB2 deals with that nicely. It is possible that you have a shit storm of USB weirdness going on and this in locking up the desktop. Try disabling USB stuff you don't need and see what gives. I do see where you are going with this and is sort of my thinking too. It seems tho, pidgin wasn't working either. I always have pidgin as online by default but was bumped off during this weird thing going on. Still confusing huh? Oh, my Konsole is run as root. When you say the browser didn't work, what do you mean exactly? Do all request just time out? Do DNS lookups all fail? Is the GUI just stuck? It acted like I had no internet connection at all. The lights on my modem didn't even blink nor did the router. The browser responded to me switching tabs and such tho. The kind of failure is important to finding the cause. I have something similar - when I copy many large files over wireless to my NFS share using dolphin, the gui is often stalls and stops responding to mouse clicks till the copy is done. Firefox is especially affected. I haven't found what's causing it yet, but it certainly isn't Firefox. btw, konsole isn't running as root unless you do something like sudo konsole from krunner. There's nothing special about a konsole where you became root. All the gui code that gives it focus and lets it run at all is still running as user dale. The only privileged process is the bash running in the terminal When I open Konsole, it asks for the root password from the start. I always open it as root since that is where I do emerges and such as that. I also edit some files in /etc using it too. It is inside the regular GUI login tho. My point was, it was using root permissions to run ping and such when I tested it. Just in case it could be a permissions thing. I don't use sudo here. When I copied the first error message, I had my cell phone plugged in to charge it up. My phone charges better off the puter than it does from the charger plugged into the wall. Yes, I even bought a new charger. It charges but takes MUCH longer than when plugged into my puter. Anyway. Nothing else plugged in, no printer, no scanner either. Well, just thought of this. My UPS is now USB. I can't unplug that. The second post below the P. S. part, that was with the cell phone unplugged. I been online today and somewhat active. No problem so far. Not finding anything on google tho, that has me puzzled. I just checked, I am still getting that error in messages file. I may have to redo my kernel, reboot and test some more. Just remove ohci and uhci from the kernel config These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports) Well, I'm not sure about my UPS. It could be old school usb1. My mouse and keyboard is PS/2 tho. One additional note. It has ran all day with no problems that I have seen. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 04/10/2013 23:52, Walter Dnes wrote: Do *NOT* remove lowspeed USB driver... unless you have a rescue USB stick boot handy. I tried that a few years ago and found that my USB keyboard and mouse stopped working. UHCI is used by Intel and VIA cpus, according to the help in make menuconfig. AMD may be OHCI, I don't know. It depends on the hardware on the motherboard, not on the CPU. Different cpus for the most part have matching chipsets and the USB implementation is in the chipset. USB1 had two implementations - uhci and ohci. If you have hardware that is usb1 only, then you need those drivers. These days, that is rare. These days, most motherboards have lots of usb2 ports and when you plug in a keyboard, they run in usb1 mode but still use the ehci driver to do it. I have a usb1 keyboard and mouse plugged into this laptop right now: $ lsmod | grep -i \[uo\]hci firewire_ohci 31868 0 firewire_core 50381 1 firewire_ohci $ lsmod | grep -i ehci_hcd ehci_hcd 38782 1 ehci_pci usbcore 152800 7 btusb,uvcvideo,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,ehci_pci,usbhid,xhci_hcd No [uo]hci. And the only machine I have left with usb1-only hardware dates from 2004, everything else uses only ehci and the lowspeed drivers are not even built. Dale changed his motherboard recently, presumably he knows what his chipset offers This is the rig I built a few years ago. It has a Gigabyte mobo but it hasn't been changed yet. I was planning on it but family issues moved that from a burner to not even on the stove and cold as ice. This issue just sort of popped up out of the blue. Also, I'm using the same kernel I been using for a while now. 3.9.5-gentoo I been using that kernel since the middle of June. I have tested newer ones but ran into other issues, nvidia mostly. My keyboard/mouse is very old school. PS/2. :-D Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Sat, Oct 05, 2013 at 05:06:57AM -0500, Dale wrote:
Just remove ohci and uhci from the kernel config
These days all you need is ehci for usb2 and xhci for usb3 (unless you
are using ancient hardware with physical usb1 ports)
Well, I'm not sure about my UPS. It could be old school usb1. My mouse
and keyboard is PS/2 tho.
One additional note. It has ran all day with no problems that I have
seen.
Dale
The issue is not what interface the UPS uses, but the port(s) on your mobo.
lspci -k will show which kernel drivers your USB controller(s) use
You can also look at the mobo manual, or plug the model # in the
manufacturer's website, and check it's specifications.
Very doubtful you have USB 1.{0,1}, and iirc, almost, if not every, EHCI
controller has an integrated Transaction Translator so that you don't need
UHCI/OHCI anymore.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On 05/10/2013 12:13, Dale wrote: Dale changed his motherboard recently, presumably he knows what his chipset offers This is the rig I built a few years ago. It has a Gigabyte mobo but it hasn't been changed yet. I was planning on it but family issues moved that from a burner to not even on the stove and cold as ice. This issue just sort of popped up out of the blue. Also, I'm using the same kernel I been using for a while now. 3.9.5-gentoo I been using that kernel since the middle of June. I have tested newer ones but ran into other issues, nvidia mostly. Basically, it looks like you have a once-off event. Until it happens again, very little you can do wrt troubleshooting -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Sometime last night while I was sleeping, my network sort of hiccuped. If I went to a Konsole, I could ping google so it appears the network was working on the lower level but not one browser that was left open would work. It also didn't/couldn't download new emails. When I restarted the browser, it worked. This is the case for both Seaminkey and Firefox. If it was just one, I'd think browser issue but not two of them at the same time. This is a example of what is in my messages file: Sep 29 03:10:15 localhost kernel: [382175.585718] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 88034092b0c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:17 localhost kernel: [382177.582033] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9d40 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:19 localhost kernel: [382179.586285] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:21 localhost kernel: [382181.582602] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:23 localhost kernel: [382183.586879] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 I did a google search but obviously not direct hits so I had to adjust things until I got some hits. I removed for example the time stamp and lots of other unigue things to my system. The closest hit I got was three years ago and it's not the same even allowing for the stuff that will change. So, google was no help. I did a update last night. It updated the kernel sources but I haven't touched it yet. It updated the virtual for udev and nvidia-drivers which I am using at the moment. The only one I see that could possibly affect this is the udev one but I don't think it is likely since it is a virtual and the actual dev package didn't change. By the way, I use checkrestart after updates. If needed, I go to boot runlevel and restart whatever else is needed to get a clean output. I did rmmod nvidia and modprobe nvidia last night. I'm hoping this driver will not cause my kicker thingy to lock up like the last dozen or so has. :/ Keep in mind, the network worked in a Konsole. It appears to me it was KDE and/or things running inside of KDE and a regular user that had issues. I only checked my Seamonkey and Firefox and they did not work until they was restarted. My grand fix was to log out and log back in again. I just checked again, I am still getting the errors above even tho the browsers are working. The error above may not be related to this. Sort of confusing at the moment. Kernel problem? KDE problem? Some USB error? Something else? Thoughts? Dale :-) :-) P. S. This is what I get while restarting my network service: Oct 4 10:27:13 localhost kernel: [839575.429674] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc240 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:15 localhost kernel: [839577.425964] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc240 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839579.430267] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc6c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost sshd[8316]: Received signal 15; terminating. Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839580.289194] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link down Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839580.289204] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link down Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839580.289256] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready Oct 4 10:27:18 localhost sshd[8692]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Oct 4 10:27:18 localhost sshd[8692]: Server listening on :: port 22. Oct 4 10:27:19 localhost kernel: [839581.426532] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 88042086ac00 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:19 localhost kernel: [839582.327590] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link up Oct 4 10:27:19 localhost kernel: [839582.327599] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready Oct 4 10:27:21 localhost kernel: [839583.430811] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc6c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:22 localhost kernel: [839584.527264] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link down Oct 4 10:27:23 localhost kernel: [839585.427127] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 880410612900 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:23 localhost kernel: [839586.105999] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link up Oct 4 10:27:25 localhost kernel: [839587.431380] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 880410612900 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:27 localhost kernel: [839589.427672] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 880410612900 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 I'm thinking the error is not related to network since on e of them is while the network was down. I'm glad that logrotate is working well. O_O -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On 04/10/2013 18:09, Dale wrote: Sometime last night while I was sleeping, my network sort of hiccuped. If I went to a Konsole, I could ping google so it appears the network was working on the lower level but not one browser that was left open would work. It also didn't/couldn't download new emails. When I restarted the browser, it worked. This is the case for both Seaminkey and Firefox. If it was just one, I'd think browser issue but not two of them at the same time. This is a example of what is in my messages file: Sep 29 03:10:15 localhost kernel: [382175.585718] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 88034092b0c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:17 localhost kernel: [382177.582033] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9d40 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:19 localhost kernel: [382179.586285] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:21 localhost kernel: [382181.582602] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:23 localhost kernel: [382183.586879] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 What I read from your description is that Seamonkey and Firefox hiccuped and everything else either works or was not tested. Assuming that those browsers share lots of common code - see where I'm going with this? The entries in your messages file may or may not be relevant, and if they are relevant it will be as a side effect. OHCI is a USB 1.1 implementation, I can't imagine why you have it loaded. Surely you do not have USB 1 only hardware? USB2 deals with that nicely. It is possible that you have a shit storm of USB weirdness going on and this in locking up the desktop. Try disabling USB stuff you don't need and see what gives. I did a google search but obviously not direct hits so I had to adjust things until I got some hits. I removed for example the time stamp and lots of other unigue things to my system. The closest hit I got was three years ago and it's not the same even allowing for the stuff that will change. So, google was no help. I did a update last night. It updated the kernel sources but I haven't touched it yet. It updated the virtual for udev and nvidia-drivers which I am using at the moment. The only one I see that could possibly affect this is the udev one but I don't think it is likely since it is a virtual and the actual dev package didn't change. By the way, I use checkrestart after updates. If needed, I go to boot runlevel and restart whatever else is needed to get a clean output. I did rmmod nvidia and modprobe nvidia last night. I'm hoping this driver will not cause my kicker thingy to lock up like the last dozen or so has. :/ Keep in mind, the network worked in a Konsole. It appears to me it was KDE and/or things running inside of KDE and a regular user that had issues. I only checked my Seamonkey and Firefox and they did not work until they was restarted. My grand fix was to log out and log back in again. I just checked again, I am still getting the errors above even tho the browsers are working. The error above may not be related to this. Sort of confusing at the moment. Kernel problem? KDE problem? Some USB error? Something else? Thoughts? Dale :-) :-) P. S. This is what I get while restarting my network service: Oct 4 10:27:13 localhost kernel: [839575.429674] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc240 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:15 localhost kernel: [839577.425964] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc240 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839579.430267] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc6c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost sshd[8316]: Received signal 15; terminating. Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839580.289194] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link down Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839580.289204] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link down Oct 4 10:27:17 localhost kernel: [839580.289256] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready Oct 4 10:27:18 localhost sshd[8692]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22. Oct 4 10:27:18 localhost sshd[8692]: Server listening on :: port 22. Oct 4 10:27:19 localhost kernel: [839581.426532] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 88042086ac00 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:19 localhost kernel: [839582.327590] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link up Oct 4 10:27:19 localhost kernel: [839582.327599] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready Oct 4 10:27:21 localhost kernel: [839583.430811] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8802f06dc6c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Oct 4 10:27:22 localhost kernel: [839584.527264] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: link down Oct 4 10:27:23 localhost kernel:
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 04/10/2013 18:09, Dale wrote: Sometime last night while I was sleeping, my network sort of hiccuped. If I went to a Konsole, I could ping google so it appears the network was working on the lower level but not one browser that was left open would work. It also didn't/couldn't download new emails. When I restarted the browser, it worked. This is the case for both Seaminkey and Firefox. If it was just one, I'd think browser issue but not two of them at the same time. This is a example of what is in my messages file: Sep 29 03:10:15 localhost kernel: [382175.585718] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 88034092b0c0 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:17 localhost kernel: [382177.582033] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9d40 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:19 localhost kernel: [382179.586285] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:21 localhost kernel: [382181.582602] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9212 cc 9 -- status -121 Sep 29 03:10:23 localhost kernel: [382183.586879] ohci_hcd :00:12.1: urb 8803f06a9680 path 1 ep1in 9312 cc 9 -- status -121 What I read from your description is that Seamonkey and Firefox hiccuped and everything else either works or was not tested. Assuming that those browsers share lots of common code - see where I'm going with this? The entries in your messages file may or may not be relevant, and if they are relevant it will be as a side effect. OHCI is a USB 1.1 implementation, I can't imagine why you have it loaded. Surely you do not have USB 1 only hardware? USB2 deals with that nicely. It is possible that you have a shit storm of USB weirdness going on and this in locking up the desktop. Try disabling USB stuff you don't need and see what gives. I do see where you are going with this and is sort of my thinking too. It seems tho, pidgin wasn't working either. I always have pidgin as online by default but was bumped off during this weird thing going on. Still confusing huh? Oh, my Konsole is run as root. When I copied the first error message, I had my cell phone plugged in to charge it up. My phone charges better off the puter than it does from the charger plugged into the wall. Yes, I even bought a new charger. It charges but takes MUCH longer than when plugged into my puter. Anyway. Nothing else plugged in, no printer, no scanner either. Well, just thought of this. My UPS is now USB. I can't unplug that. The second post below the P. S. part, that was with the cell phone unplugged. I been online today and somewhat active. No problem so far. Not finding anything on google tho, that has me puzzled. I just checked, I am still getting that error in messages file. I may have to redo my kernel, reboot and test some more. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Network failed and weird error message
On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:35:33PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote OHCI is a USB 1.1 implementation, I can't imagine why you have it loaded. Surely you do not have USB 1 only hardware? USB2 deals with that nicely. It is possible that you have a shit storm of USB weirdness going on and this in locking up the desktop. Try disabling USB stuff you don't need and see what gives. Do *NOT* remove lowspeed USB driver... unless you have a rescue USB stick boot handy. I tried that a few years ago and found that my USB keyboard and mouse stopped working. UHCI is used by Intel and VIA cpus, according to the help in make menuconfig. AMD may be OHCI, I don't know. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
