Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

Am Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 04:28:55PM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >> It sort of reminds me of a cell phone.  Small but fast CPUs, some even > >> have decent amounts of ram so they can handle quite a lot.  Never heard of > >> this thing before.  I wouldn't mind having one of those to work as my > >>

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Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 12:49:56AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >>> I run a raspi with some basic services, most importantly a pihole DNS filter >>> and a PIM server. But I find it hacky-patchy with its flimsy USB power cable >>> poking out of the side. I’d prefer a more

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Am Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 12:49:56AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > > I run a raspi with some basic services, most importantly a pihole DNS filter > > and a PIM server. But I find it hacky-patchy with its flimsy USB power cable > > poking out of the side. I’d prefer a more sturdy construction, which is why

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Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 06:26:39AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >> I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, >> doesn't even have SATA ports.  I can add a thing called a "hat" I think >> that adds a couple but thing is, that costs more and still isn't

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On 28/08/2022 22:53, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 2:33 PM Wol > wrote: > > On 28/08/2022 22:07, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Is there a particular reason why your mailer inserts the quote character > > only on the first line of a quote

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On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 2:33 PM Wol wrote: > > On 28/08/2022 22:07, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Is there a particular reason why your mailer inserts the quote character > > only on the first line of a quote paragraph? It makes reading your replies a > > little difficult because it is not

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Am Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 06:26:39AM -0500 schrieb Dale: > I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, > doesn't even have SATA ports.  I can add a thing called a "hat" I think > that adds a couple but thing is, that costs more and still isn't > enough. I run a raspi with

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On 28/08/2022 22:07, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Is there a particular reason why your mailer inserts the quote character only on the first line of a quote paragraph? It makes reading your replies a little difficult because it is not visible on first glance where your quote ends and your reply

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Am Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 07:09:32AM -0700 schrieb Mark Knecht: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:27 AM Dale wrote: > > > > > I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, > doesn't even have SATA ports. I can add a thing called a "hat" I think > that adds a couple but thing is,

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On Sunday, 28 August 2022 00:30:08 BST Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:37 PM Mark Knecht > > > > wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dale > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have looked into

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dale wrote: > > I have looked into OpenNAS and other NAS OS stuff. Some are on USB sticks and basically, you shut it down, upgrade the USB stick, insert it back into NAS and boot up. The first version of TrueNAS I used was on a USB stick and it worked fine so

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Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:37 PM Mark Knecht > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > > > > > I have looked into OpenNAS and other NAS OS stuff.  Some are on > USB sticks and

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:37 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dale wrote: > > > > > I have looked into OpenNAS and other NAS OS stuff. Some are on USB sticks and basically, you shut it down, upgrade the USB stick, insert it back into NAS and boot up. > > > The

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 7:25 AM Rich Freeman > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:09 AM Mark Knecht > wrote: > > > > > > Obviously you can do what you are most comfortable with but to me > a NAS machine with a

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Rich Freeman wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 7:26 AM Dale wrote: >> I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, doesn't >> even have SATA ports. > The Pi4 is definitely a step up from the previous versions in terms of > IO, but it is still pretty limited. It has USB3

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 7:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:09 AM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > Obviously you can do what you are most comfortable with but to me a NAS machine with a bunch of external drives does not sound very reliable. > > > > I would have thought the same,

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 10:09 AM Mark Knecht wrote: > > Obviously you can do what you are most comfortable with but to me a NAS > machine with a bunch of external drives does not sound very reliable. > I would have thought the same, but messing around with LizardFS I've found that the USB3 hard

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 4:27 AM Dale wrote: > > I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, doesn't even have SATA ports. I can add a thing called a "hat" I think that adds a couple but thing is, that costs more and still isn't enough. I really don't like USB and hard

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On 26/08/2022 12:27, Dale wrote: I think it's saved a lot of bacon over the years:-) Even if I've mostly edited it. I haven't written much of it from scratch. Cheers, Wol I see typos.  Do they matter to you? Apart from the one intentional one, I'd like to fix any others :-) Cheers, Wol

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 7:26 AM Dale wrote: > > I looked into the Raspberry and the newest version, about $150 now, doesn't > even have SATA ports. The Pi4 is definitely a step up from the previous versions in terms of IO, but it is still pretty limited. It has USB3 and gigabit, and they don't

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On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 06:26:39 -0500 Dale wrote: > I looked at something called ITX but they have only one PCIe slot > usually.  That's not enough.  I'd like to have two 6 or 8 port SATA > cards.  Then balance the drives on each.  I think some of the through > put is shared so the more drives on

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Wols Lists wrote: > On 26/08/2022 00:56, Dale wrote: >> Wols Lists wrote: >>> On 25/08/2022 19:59, Dale wrote: While at it, can I move the drives on LVM to another system without having to copy anything?  Just physically move the drives and LVM see them correctly on the new system? 

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Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 4:59 PM Dale > wrote: > > > I may do some mobo hunting shortly.  See what little thing I can buy > > that is powerful enough.  I don't think a Raspberry Pi is enough.  It > > gets close tho.  Biggest thing, I'd need a

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Hello, On Thu, 25 Aug 2022, Dale wrote: >Jack wrote: [..] >> Related question - how much space would you actually save by >> decreasing the number of inodes by 90%?  Enough for one or two more >> videos? > >Now I have to admit, that is a question I have too. From my tests with a swapfile (which

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

On 26/08/2022 00:56, Dale wrote: Wols Lists wrote: On 25/08/2022 19:59, Dale wrote: While at it, can I move the drives on LVM to another system without having to copy anything?  Just physically move the drives and LVM see them correctly on the new system?  I may try to build a small computer

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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 4:59 PM Dale wrote: > I may do some mobo hunting shortly. See what little thing I can buy > that is powerful enough. I don't think a Raspberry Pi is enough. It > gets close tho. Biggest thing, I'd need a lot of SATA ports. LOTS of > them. Granted, I had a couple of

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Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:59 PM Dale wrote: >> While at it, can I move the drives on LVM to another system without >> having to copy anything? Just physically move the drives and LVM see >> them correctly on the new system? > As long as we aren't talking about boot

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Wols Lists wrote: > On 25/08/2022 19:59, Dale wrote: >> While at it, can I move the drives on LVM to another system without >> having to copy anything?  Just physically move the drives and LVM see >> them correctly on the new system?  I may try to build a small computer >> for a NAS soon.  I'm not

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

On 25/08/2022 19:59, Dale wrote: While at it, can I move the drives on LVM to another system without having to copy anything?  Just physically move the drives and LVM see them correctly on the new system?  I may try to build a small computer for a NAS soon.  I'm not sure what is the least I can

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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:59 PM Dale wrote: > > While at it, can I move the drives on LVM to another system without > having to copy anything? Just physically move the drives and LVM see > them correctly on the new system? As long as we aren't talking about boot partitions/sectors, the answer

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Jack wrote: > On 8/25/22 08:52, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:43 AM Dale wrote: >>> I've already got data on the drive now with the default settings so it >>> is to late for the moment however, I expect to need to add drives >>> later.  Keep in mind, I use LVM which means I

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On 8/25/22 08:52, Rich Freeman wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:43 AM Dale wrote: I've already got data on the drive now with the default settings so it is to late for the moment however, I expect to need to add drives later. Keep in mind, I use LVM which means I grow file systems quite often

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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 8:43 AM Dale wrote: > > I've already got data on the drive now with the default settings so it > is to late for the moment however, I expect to need to add drives > later. Keep in mind, I use LVM which means I grow file systems quite > often by adding drives. I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

William Kenworthy wrote: > > On 25/8/22 06:45, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: >>> [..] >>> Also, if you're using ext2/3/4, there's the preset, i.e. if you're >>> rather sure about what kind of data is going to be on there, you >>> can tune it so that it reserves more or less place for metadata like >>>

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On 25/8/22 06:45, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: [..] Also, if you're using ext2/3/4, there's the preset, i.e. if you're rather sure about what kind of data is going to be on there, you can tune it so that it reserves more or less place for metadata like inodes, which can be another bit. When I

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Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 3:15 PM Dale wrote: >> Related question. Does encryption slow the read/write speeds of a drive >> down a fair amount? This new 10TB drive is maxing out at about >> 49.51MB/s or so. > Encryption won't impact the write speeds themselves of course, but

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On 24/08/2022 23:39, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: That’s a WD Red Plus. WD introduced the Plus series after the SMR debacle do differentiate between the „now normal“ WD Reds which can (or maybe always) have SMR and the Plus, which are always CMR. Yup. The new reds are always SMR, the Red Pluses

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Am Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 06:26:14AM +0200 schrieb David Haller: > Hello, > > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022, Dale wrote: > >Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 2:04 PM Dale wrote: > >>> > >>> Part. # SizePartition TypePartition Name > >>> 1007.0 KiB free

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Am Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 05:45:18PM -0500 schrieb Dale: > >> This new 10TB drive is maxing out at about 49.51MB/s or so. For a new 3.5″ drive, I find this quite slow, even for the slowest part near the centre of the spindle. I tend to use hdparm for a quick info, but that’s been mentioned in

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On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 10:50 AM Laurence Perkins wrote: > > Note that 60ish MB/sec is very reasonable for a rotational drive. They *can* > technically go faster, but only if you keep the workload almost entirely > sequential. Most filesystems require a fair amount of seeking to write >

RE: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

power or crashes. LMP -Original Message- From: Grant Taylor Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2022 2:57 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive Sorry for the duplicate post. I had an email client error that accidentally caused me

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Dale wrote: > William Kenworthy wrote: >> What are you measuring the speed with - hdparm or rsync or ? >> >> hdparm is best for profiling just the harddisk (tallks to the >> interface and can bypass the cache depending on settings, rsync/cp/?? >> usually have the whole OS storage chain including

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William Kenworthy wrote: > What are you measuring the speed with - hdparm or rsync or ? > > hdparm is best for profiling just the harddisk (tallks to the > interface and can bypass the cache depending on settings, rsync/cp/?? > usually have the whole OS storage chain including encryption affecting

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On 21/8/22 13:34, Grant Taylor wrote: On 8/20/22 10:22 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: ... If that is an Odroid XU4, then I strongly suspect that /dev/sda is passing through a USB interface.  So ... I'd take those numbers with a grain of salt.  --  If the system is working for you, then by all

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On 8/20/22 10:22 PM, William Kenworthy wrote: What are you measuring the speed with - hdparm or rsync or ? hdparm is best for profiling just the harddisk (tallks to the interface and can bypass the cache depending on settings, rsync/cp/?? usually have the whole OS storage chain including

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On 8/20/22 4:45 PM, Dale wrote: I figured it was something like that. ;-) :-) This drive is not supposed to be SMR. It's a 10TB and according to a site I looked on, none of them are SMR, yet. I found another site that said it was CMR. So, pretty sure it isn't SMR. Nothing is 100% tho.

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

What are you measuring the speed with - hdparm or rsync or ? hdparm is best for profiling just the harddisk (tallks to the interface and can bypass the cache depending on settings, rsync/cp/?? usually have the whole OS storage chain including encryption affecting throughput.  Encryption

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Grant Taylor wrote: > Sorry for the duplicate post.  I had an email client error that > accidentally caused me to hit send on the window I was composing in. I figured it was something like that.  ;-) > > On 8/20/22 1:15 PM, Dale wrote: >> Howdy, > > Hi, > >> Related question.  Does encryption

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Sorry for the duplicate post. I had an email client error that accidentally caused me to hit send on the window I was composing in. On 8/20/22 1:15 PM, Dale wrote: Howdy, Hi, Related question. Does encryption slow the read/write speeds of a drive down a fair amount? My experience has

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

On 8/20/22 1:15 PM, Dale wrote: Howdy, Hi, Related question. Does encryption slow the read/write speeds of a drive down a fair amount? m This new 10TB drive is maxing out at about 49.51MB/s or so. I actually copied that from the progress of rsync and a nice sized file. It's been

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On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 3:15 PM Dale wrote: > > Related question. Does encryption slow the read/write speeds of a drive > down a fair amount? This new 10TB drive is maxing out at about > 49.51MB/s or so. Encryption won't impact the write speeds themselves of course, but it could introduce a

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

Howdy, Related question.  Does encryption slow the read/write speeds of a drive down a fair amount?  This new 10TB drive is maxing out at about 49.51MB/s or so.  I actually copied that from the progress of rsync and a nice sized file.  It's been running over 24 hours now so I'd think buffer and

Re: [gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

Hello, On Thu, 18 Aug 2022, Dale wrote: >Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 2:04 PM Dale wrote: >>> >>> Part. # SizePartition TypePartition Name >>> 1007.0 KiB free space >>>19.1 TiB Linux filesystem 10Tb >>>

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Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 2:04 PM Dale wrote: >> >> Part. # SizePartition TypePartition Name >> >> 1007.0 KiB free space >>19.1 TiB Linux filesystem

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:04:57 -0500 Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I got my 10TB drive in today.  I want to maximize the amount of data I > can put on this thing and it remain stable.  I know about -m 0 when > making the file system but was wondering if there is any other tips or > tricks to make the

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 2:04 PM Dale wrote: > > > Part. # SizePartition TypePartition Name > > 1007.0 KiB free space >19.1 TiB Linux filesystem 10Tb > 1007.5

[gentoo-user] Getting maximum space out of a hard drive

Howdy, I got my 10TB drive in today.  I want to maximize the amount of data I can put on this thing and it remain stable.  I know about -m 0 when making the file system but was wondering if there is any other tips or tricks to make the most of the drive space.  This is the output of cgdisk.