On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:32:48 -0500, J. Rutkowski wrote:
There was no installer other than the handbook.
There was the former Gentoo installer project [1] but it was
discontinued in 2009. The source is still available [2]
You have taken my statement out of context. It looks like I was
J. Rutkowski jrtk at kow.io writes:
There was no installer other than the handbook.
OOppssee there was I have several images::
livecd-amd64-installer-2008.0-r1.iso
There was the former Gentoo installer project [1] but it was
discontinued in 2009. The source is still available [2]
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:41:27 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
The next
big change is likely to be virtualizing openrc so that it can be
uninstalled, and possibly not including it in the stage3, but that
hasn't really even been seriously discussed. (Virtualizing it seems
almost
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 1:05 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:41:27 -0400
Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote:
The next
big change is likely to be virtualizing openrc so that it can be
uninstalled, and possibly not including it in the stage3, but that
hasn't really even
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 07:41:27PM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
So, I don't know if that makes you more or less worried, but nothing
has really changed in the last year on the systemd front. The next
big change is likely to be virtualizing openrc so that it can be
uninstalled, and possibly
Am 08.08.2015 um 19:05 schrieb walt:
I just noticed that net-misc/netifrc installs two systemd service files,
which puzzled me. Is this in preparation for virtualizing openrc?
This is to provide systemd users with the corresponding service files
like OpenRC users get the necessary init
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
I think this should actually be handled by USE=-systemd, and not by
INSTALL_MASK.
This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision.
The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files via a
Am 08.08.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Rich Freeman:
This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision.
The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files via a
USE flag is that it would greatly increase the number of packages that
would depend on that flag, and then
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am 08.08.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Rich Freeman:
This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision.
The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files via a
USE flag is that it would greatly
On 08/08/2015 22:02, Rich Freeman wrote:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am 08.08.2015 um 21:30 schrieb Rich Freeman:
This was the subject of extensive discussion and a council decision.
The rationale for not configuring the installing of small files
Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 08/08/2015 22:02, Rich Freeman wrote:
It is recommended that users not set an INSTALL_MASK, so you won't
have to rebuild anything if you don't do that. If you care that much
about inodes I'd probably get rid of /usr/portage before
/usr/lib/systemd. :)
On the other
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
I don't need to be worried, that this will happen with Gentoo either
anytime soon?
What? That we'll take a vote that some anti-systemd folks won't like?
It has already happened - package maintainers aren't permitted to
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:51:24 + (UTC), James` wrote:
That was it, I couldn't remember the name.
H (GRP option),
Can anyone dig out a link to that install medium? I'm unable to find it.
I have lots of old i(3/4/5/6_86 gear I can revisit such old installs::
and Sven has archived
There was no installer other than the handbook.
There was the former Gentoo installer project [1] but it was
discontinued in 2009. The source is still available [2]
[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Installer/Old
[2] https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/gli.git/about/
J. Rutkowski
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes:
http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/GRP
Interestingly, I found this link::
http://netlibrary.net/articles/Gentoo_Reference_Platform
Not sure if the gentoo Attic contains such images.
Hmm ... this cvs is empty:
yep.
Am 08.08.2015 um 00:28 schrieb Rich Freeman:
Udev installs into such a path, and currently does not depend on
systemd (in fact, they block each other).
They block each other because udev is part of systemd. So if you install
systemd you already have udev and don't need the separate udev
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
If packages that don't need systemd as a hard dependency or are
installed with USE=-systemd write anything which is important for them
or could break them even without systemd into one of those systemd
directories which I
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:35:38 -0700, walt wrote:
It varies, but it can more than halve the time taken. Well worth the
minute or two it took to set it up to happen automatically.
You appear to be building claws-mail from git (as do I), which seems in
theory a good use of ccache. Am I
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:
That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with
prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but
without changing use flags from the default profiles for that DVD,
and get a running system in no time.
On Friday 07 Aug 2015 15:51:24 James` wrote:
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:
That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with
prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but
without changing use flags from the default profiles for that
On Friday 07 Aug 2015 19:32:19 Mick wrote:
On Friday 07 Aug 2015 15:51:24 James` wrote:
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:
That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with
prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook,
but without
Am 07.08.2015 um 00:10 schrieb Rich Freeman:
Like I said - if you want to go this route be prepared to tweak half
your system to keep it working.
Why would I need to tweak half my system? That sounds exactly like those
Poetterix fanboys, particularly when they forced systemd on every user
of
Am 07.08.2015 um 21:46 schrieb Heiko Baums:
That has nothing to do with eudev or anything else. So if you don't want
to have a systemd-free system
Typo: Should obviously be without the don't.
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
handbook you would have got what you wanted.
Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when a branch
explanation ends
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:17 PM, James` wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Jc García jyo.garcia at gmail.com writes:
I'm not saying push one over the other, but explain and delineate
that choice
*early* in the handbook. WE owe the larger linux community that wisdom::
that gentoo has made
Am 06.08.2015 um 22:01 schrieb Rich Freeman:
You're defining really systemd-free in the same sense that the FSF
defines a really free distro (they think Debian FOSS-only isn't good
enough). Sticking with the base profile should get you an experience
about the same as what you'd have gotten 4
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
And, no, I won't install any package which is merged into systemd. As
you mentioned udev, what do you need udev for if you don't use systemd?
Just install eudev. Works perfectly without any systemd dependency.
Like I
On 06/08/2015 18:34, James wrote:
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes:
On 06/08/2015 11:13, Felix Miata wrote:
Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
handbook you would have got what you wanted.
Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote:
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:59 schrieb Jc García:
OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd isn't, if you don't think about
systemd you get an OpenRC installation, I think it would confuse more
people to talk about choosing init
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:09:49 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
I think the Handbook is getting better and better. However the
systemd-openrc choice is something that needs to be explained early
in the handbook from a neutral prospective. Let's face it, lots of
folks become interested in Gentoo,
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:00:35 +0100
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
What sort of improvements do you get? libreoffice here takes about
1h30 to build, give or take 10 mins or so. Doesn't seem worth the
extra hassle of ccache for an hour and a half.
It varies, but it can more than
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:34:32 + (UTC), James wrote:
Agreed. But we can (maybe eventually) offer more frequent live versions
of gentoo, in a canned dvd(w/persistence) so that folks can test-drive
gentoo, add a few packages and get comfortable before undertaking that
long and winding manual
Jc García jyo.garcia at gmail.com writes:
I'm not saying push one over the other, but explain and delineate
that choice
*early* in the handbook. WE owe the larger linux community that wisdom::
that gentoo has made peace with systemd and openrc:: imho.
OpenRC is there on the stage3,
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:34 schrieb James:
Or, We could also point them to existing gentoo
derivatives for a test-drive:: pentoo, lilblue, sabayon, calculate etc etc
first, if we are not going to roll more frequent live* images?
That's not a good idea, at least not regarding Sabayon. They use
On Thursday 06 Aug 2015 18:59:11 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 16:34:32 + (UTC), James wrote:
Agreed. But we can (maybe eventually) offer more frequent live versions
of gentoo, in a canned dvd(w/persistence) so that folks can test-drive
gentoo, add a few packages and get
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 19:25:08 +0100, Mick wrote:
That's what Gentoo did years ago. You could download a DVD with
prebuilt binary packages. It meant you could follow the handbook, but
without changing use flags from the default profiles for that DVD,
and get a running system in no time. I
2015-08-06 10:34 GMT-06:00 James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com:
I think the Handbook is getting better and better. However the
systemd-openrc choice is something that needs to be explained early in the
handbook from a neutral prospective. Let's face it, lots of folks become
interested in Gentoo,
Am 06.08.2015 um 18:59 schrieb Jc García:
OpenRC is there on the stage3, systemd isn't, if you don't think about
systemd you get an OpenRC installation, I think it would confuse more
people to talk about choosing init system(especially noobs) right at
the beginning of the handbook.
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