[GreenYouth] Fwd: vasundhra raje's temple
Interesting development in Rajasthan. Thought this news has to be shared. Wonder what the BJP is upto, since it looks like about to face a defeat in Rajasthan However as a note, Malaram Bishnoi is a formidable Bishnoi leader and his position is the most interesting (Bishnoi's are an intersting syncretic community based mostly in Rajasthan) -- Forwarded message -- From: ajay bishnoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 19 Jul 2008 16:24 Subject: vasundhra raje's temple To: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello bobby read this RSS opposes Raje temple ASIANAGE 14 July, 2008 07:54:30 *By Narayan Bareth* Jaipur July 14: Even though the villagers are protesting against the building of a temple depicting Rajasthan chief minister Vasundhara Raje as goddess May Kalyani at Beru village in Jodhpur district, priest Hemant Bohra has refused to budge. But the RSS is unhappy with efforts to build the temple in the name of a human being. Mr Bohra said he had hired a sculptor to shape the four-foot-high idol of Ms Raje as a goddess riding a lion. As Mr Bohra claimed, the temple would be built on his own land. But the villagers say the land is owned by their Vishnoi community and has been used as a burial site for centuries. The Vishnois bury their dead and there are samadhis of their ancestors at the site. We will not allow any temple here. Why has Mr Bohra decided to build a temple here, asks Malaram Vishnoi, a community leader. The police has asked both parties to maintain status quo. The ruling BJP has maintained a stoic silence but RSS spokesperson in Rajasthan Kanhaiya Lal Chaturvedi said, No one would like to see a human being projected as a god or goddess. It is a time of sycophancy in the polity of India. You can see Congressmen naming everything after the late Rajiv Gandhi, Lalu's life story was included in textbooks, and this is an expansion of the same trend, he added http://howrah. org/india_ news/18812. htmlhttp://howrah.org/india_news/18812.html -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: vasundhra raje's temple
The TBS, DC, Mathrubhumi reference is interesting, UTV movies have been having this childrens movie festival for the summer in the mornings. One of the themes is to acquaint children with Indian culture and history and whats shown mostly are slickly made animation movies on Ramayana, Hanuman, Vishnu so and so forth, with considerable deviations from most of the texts or oral mythologies that I know of. Whats interesting is the absence of representation of anyother religion or for that matter non-mythological histories. On 19/07/2008, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For devout Hindus, what more exciting news to know about a temple being built for *Seeta Mayya* as Ramayana reading month is celebarated by TBS to DC to Mathrubhumi... RSS problem perhaps is only with the colonial-raj combination of chaste english Rajasthan CM speaks. On 7/19/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting development in Rajasthan. Thought this news has to be shared. Wonder what the BJP is upto, since it looks like about to face a defeat in Rajasthan However as a note, Malaram Bishnoi is a formidable Bishnoi leader and his position is the most interesting (Bishnoi's are an intersting syncretic community based mostly in Rajasthan) -- Forwarded message -- From: ajay bishnoi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 19 Jul 2008 16:24 Subject: vasundhra raje's temple To: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] hello bobby read this RSS opposes Raje temple ASIANAGE 14 July, 2008 07:54:30 *By Narayan Bareth* Jaipur July 14: Even though the villagers are protesting against the building of a temple depicting Rajasthan chief minister Vasundhara Raje as goddess May Kalyani at Beru village in Jodhpur district, priest Hemant Bohra has refused to budge. But the RSS is unhappy with efforts to build the temple in the name of a human being. Mr Bohra said he had hired a sculptor to shape the four-foot-high idol of Ms Raje as a goddess riding a lion. As Mr Bohra claimed, the temple would be built on his own land. But the villagers say the land is owned by their Vishnoi community and has been used as a burial site for centuries. The Vishnois bury their dead and there are samadhis of their ancestors at the site. We will not allow any temple here. Why has Mr Bohra decided to build a temple here, asks Malaram Vishnoi, a community leader. The police has asked both parties to maintain status quo. The ruling BJP has maintained a stoic silence but RSS spokesperson in Rajasthan Kanhaiya Lal Chaturvedi said, No one would like to see a human being projected as a god or goddess. It is a time of sycophancy in the polity of India. You can see Congressmen naming everything after the late Rajiv Gandhi, Lalu's life story was included in textbooks, and this is an expansion of the same trend, he added http://howrah. org/india_ news/18812. htmlhttp://howrah.org/india_news/18812.html -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] communist folklore
Wanted to pose a question that has been bothering me for quite some time Despite the enormous amount of literature,why has not the McCarthy days and its hero/victims not caught the imagination of the mainstream communist movements - I would have imagined it to be a handy propaganda weapon to show US intolerance This becomes even more significant, given the more subtle and sophisticated ideological war on terror. One hardly comes across comparisons and if there are serious comparisons could someone point them out please -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: vasundhra raje's temple
Interestingly this co-option that Damodar talks about can be witnessed everywhere and of course the infighting between cults/sects/sub-castes have to be glossed over in a Parivar kind of agenda - a result is reactionary homogenisation of communities that percieve a threat from this agenda - I see the NDF as such a phenomenon. One of the points in the de Roover article (though he articulated it subcersively) in an earlier post was about the notion of a pan Hindu identity being an orientalist construct borrowed as a convenient tool by the Parivar version of nationalism. However the localist revivalism as far as I have seen happens only in the context of a larger agenda of homogenisation. The village that my father comes from has a Bhagwati who is supposed to be one of the sisters of Kodungallur Amma - now how the Kodungallur myth evolved and the variant stories themselves are being subjected to a linear narrative and worse a perverse form of purification. On 20/07/2008, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since idol worship is central to several practices that constitute 'hindu' religion and local gods and godesses and cults based on a supermo and constructions of myths are so innumerable that imposing of 'pan-indian' natonal identity on gods/godesses of local varaints were part of the cultural nationalistic agenda promoted by the parivar. The local gods were acquired, some through the process of what in corporate terms can be called as 'hostile bidding' or acquisiton in the name of big ones in the periods when parivar was expandign its base. In my local town and near by vilages I've seen this. In TVM, also I recenty saw this. I *referred to plurality in this sense* . same also is the case with many ramayanas available (which is slowly beng erased even by the publishing industry) My second point was that there was also in-fight between gods based on perhaps rivalarly between 'gothrums'. But this was erased from the collctive memory only to pose a hostile distinction between religions. But now there is a return to localism as favoured by the religious tourism and pligrimage industry. Reviving of local myths adaptable to induce a localist flavour for consumption s also being tried. damodar prasad On 7/20/08, salimtk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: plurality is interesting in a transmodern thought context. islam, ofcourse with one God, accomodate the plurality of multiple ways of being human. multiple Gods were not really found mandatory for plurality in beliefs, lif style and even in prayers. On 7/20/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jul 20, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: vasundhra raje's temple To: Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Going by the hindu traditions (in plural) there are all chances that a new day begins with an invention of new god or goddess. The cultures of veneration impliict in the sevral several streams of beliefs and faiths (urbanized and tribal) available in the sub continent enables the possibility of *discover*y of gods and godesses every day. Temple, diety and idol will follow from this and suubsequent to this desecration as well. The various histories of temple desceration as part of rivalarly between kings and even kith and kind and also intra-*gothrum* warfare is erased from the collective memory to bring attention for political advantages. Its upsetting that RSS version of history that implicates only Muslim rulers as desecrators is effectively availble in popular hsitory. For RSS and for establishing its one nation theory, a regimented religion based on vedas and smrithis is necessary. But the fiath and beliefs is consistenty challengign this codification. But Rajes temple is not in anyway conencted with this. It may be a sort of ad. work where she is facing anti-incumbency and also resistance within the BJP. On 7/19/08, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cant find some thing unusual in this.. May be something similar to what Jayalalitha used to play in Tamil Naadu.. But can RSS brand of hindu cultural nationalism definitely will have a problem in acknowledging this though they might compromise for the broad hindu interests ... But there is no contradiction in their stance.. Regards Afthab Ellath On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:45 PM, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For devout Hindus, what more exciting news to know about a temple being built for *Seeta Mayya* as Ramayana reading month is celebarated by TBS to DC to Mathrubhumi... RSS problem perhaps is only with the colonial-raj combination of chaste english Rajasthan CM speaks. On 7/19/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting development in Rajasthan. Thought this news has to be shared. Wonder what the BJP is upto, since it looks like about to face a defeat in Rajasthan However as a note, Malaram
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: vasundhra raje's temple
I frankly did not understand the connect between importing post-modernism and caste discrimination. Of course plurality in the South Asian context writ large by caste is problematic, that I have no doubts about, but what does post-modernism have to do with it? On 20/07/2008, salimtk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: especially celebrating plurality in indian societies, where caste discriminations are at worst, demands high vigilance for not being part of importing european postmodernism. On 7/20/08, ahmed rafeek j [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: prasad and salim seems to be taking plurality for granted as being plural is virtous and democratic. plurality of voices in discussion may be good but a pluarality of abuses and methods of violations is what?.. plurality of evil-doers... On 7/20/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestng to note the dialectics, the pligrimage industry, which inckudes large tour operators to local taxi drivers articulate the same stuff. A 'pligrim' coming to Kerala in search of 'solace' as advised by the jyostya ( who is pivotal in this industry) is led to sevral temples which are linearaly inter-connected in the new narrative. At the same time 'nativist' myth of each temples integrated to a national religious system 'on the way' ( actually going by the road) is promoted. Everyone 'materially' happy... the tourist pligrim, tour operator, guide, devasom... all are satisfied... On 7/20/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly this co-option that Damodar talks about can be witnessed everywhere and of course the infighting between cults/sects/sub-castes have to be glossed over in a Parivar kind of agenda - a result is reactionary homogenisation of communities that percieve a threat from this agenda - I see the NDF as such a phenomenon. One of the points in the de Roover article (though he articulated it subcersively) in an earlier post was about the notion of a pan Hindu identity being an orientalist construct borrowed as a convenient tool by the Parivar version of nationalism. However the localist revivalism as far as I have seen happens only in the context of a larger agenda of homogenisation. The village that my father comes from has a Bhagwati who is supposed to be one of the sisters of Kodungallur Amma - now how the Kodungallur myth evolved and the variant stories themselves are being subjected to a linear narrative and worse a perverse form of purification. On 20/07/2008, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since idol worship is central to several practices that constitute 'hindu' religion and local gods and godesses and cults based on a supermo and constructions of myths are so innumerable that imposing of 'pan-indian' natonal identity on gods/godesses of local varaints were part of the cultural nationalistic agenda promoted by the parivar. The local gods were acquired, some through the process of what in corporate terms can be called as 'hostile bidding' or acquisiton in the name of big ones in the periods when parivar was expandign its base. In my local town and near by vilages I've seen this. In TVM, also I recenty saw this. I *referred to plurality in this sense* . same also is the case with many ramayanas available (which is slowly beng erased even by the publishing industry) My second point was that there was also in-fight between gods based on perhaps rivalarly between 'gothrums'. But this was erased from the collctive memory only to pose a hostile distinction between religions. But now there is a return to localism as favoured by the religious tourism and pligrimage industry. Reviving of local myths adaptable to induce a localist flavour for consumption s also being tried. damodar prasad On 7/20/08, salimtk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: plurality is interesting in a transmodern thought context. islam, ofcourse with one God, accomodate the plurality of multiple ways of being human. multiple Gods were not really found mandatory for plurality in beliefs, lif style and even in prayers. On 7/20/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jul 20, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: vasundhra raje's temple To: Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Going by the hindu traditions (in plural) there are all chances that a new day begins with an invention of new god or goddess. The cultures of veneration impliict in the sevral several streams of beliefs and faiths (urbanized and tribal) available in the sub continent enables the possibility of *discover*y of gods and godesses every day. Temple, diety and idol will follow from this and suubsequent to this desecration as well. The various histories of temple desceration as part of rivalarly between kings and even kith and kind and also intra-*gothrum*warfare is erased from the collective
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Action Alert - NAPM Karnataka Convenor Killed
-- Forwarded message -- From: Delhi Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21 Jul 2008 13:46 Subject: Action Alert - NAPM Karnataka Convenor Killed To: Friends, We are writing to share the extremely shocking news that *NAPM Karnataka Convenor A.D Babu* has been killed. Mr Babu was on his way to attend a NAPM organised meeting of the anti- liquor campaign at Ramnagaram, along with Sr. Celia and couple of other colleagues when a group of people stopped the vehicle at Mayanagram (some kms before the meeting venue) and attacked him with knives and swords. He was killed on the spot, in front of his comrades. It is believed that the strong liquor mafia in Karnataka is behind this gruesome murder. We are yet to have details as news is just coming in. The NAPM convenors meeting is being held at Wardha. A team of HR activists and NAPM friends have rushed to Mayanagram... Mr. A D Babu was among the most active comrades who emerged within the leadership of NAPM and was made a convener of the state unit recently. We call upon all sections of the people to condemn murder of A D Babu and demand immediate action by the state government... -- In shock and grief, Delhi Forum F-10/12, Malviya Nagar New Delhi - 110017 INDIA Phones: +91-11-26680883/26680914 Emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: [GreenYouth] Re: arundhati roys briefing
I thought the piece had to be read in the context of it being written for an European audience On 21/07/2008, salimtk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first time i felt her writiing addressing to european readers only. This briefing was written for Manifesta7, one of the most important European Biennials of Contemporary Art, which opens on July 19 in northern Italy. *The Briefing* will be performed with sound and light effects at Fortezza/Franzensfeste, a fort built in the Alps by the Hapsburgs in 1833 global warming, defiant lion figured capitalism, unaccomplished mission for great attack/ revolution...all may be good for european readers, though all topics are being discussed universally. leaving unsaid what makes a writing fiction or non-fiction (not educated enough). On 7/21/08, ahmed rafeek j [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/21/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: salimtk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Jul 21, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [GreenYouth] Re: arundhati roys briefing To: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] we have been well acquainted with her igniting non-fiction writings. we have been aroused from our irresponsible sluggishness by her non-fiction writings. we have seen hisotry house, child grave, abuse, dream, rebel, death and ghastly silence in God of small things. This briefing is, as she said, a shard of fiction. it seemed to me lacking multi functional realities (expected? in her writing). *it rejects to be called a fiction* though having some interesting visual ingredients of fiction. afraid taht i didnt like much :( today in indian parliament you can hear to nosiy statements like: i reject the confidence motion etc.. But hear salim says: It rejects , what deos this reject.. is it some hoax scientific theory to be rejected.. or is salim has some definite ideas of what needs to be called as fiction.. what his idea of a fiction is, pls. let us know.. On 7/20/08, salimtk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20080728fname=Arundhati+Roy+(F)sid=2 On 7/20/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you read the short fiction of Arundhati Briefing.. I liked it very much! I read it only today... I've not searched fro the online edition. I read the print. may be its avalbl online- OUTLOOK mag damodar -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Latest Economic Census shows a Decline in the Growth of Employment in India
-- Forwarded message -- From: Network for Social Accountability [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23 Jul 2008 02:24 Subject: Latest Economic Census shows a Decline in the Growth of Employment in India To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Friend, The Fifth Economic Census -2005 reveals several issues that remain unnoticed behind the claims of India's rapid economic progress. In this document, we are trying to highlight some such issues that need a mention when one looks at the overall growth of the Indian economy. The Economic Census is brought out by the Central Statistical Organisation in collaboration with State/UT Directorates of Economics and Statistics. It covers all agricultural and non-agricultural establishments except those engaged in crop production and plantation. Network for Social Accountability (NSA) in its efforts to make the public information more comprehensive have highlighted a few key features of the Fifth Economic Census in comparison to the earlier ones. For more details on the issue, please read our policy brief section titled *Latest Economic Census shows a Decline in the Growth of Employment in 10 States and UTs in India*http://www.nsa.org.in/Policybrief/18072008economiccensus.htm From the analysis of the information available in the Fifth Economic Census, it is surprising to note that the growth on employment could not match the growth in the number of establishments. While the number of establishments grew at a rate of 4.7 % per annum during 1998-2005, the employment grew at a rate 2.78% per annum. In at least 10 states and UTs including Himachal Pradesh, Rajasthan, West Bengal, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra, the annual growth rate of employment declined between the periods 1990-98 and 1998-2000. Average employment per establishment has shown a declining trend at all India level and also both in Rural and Urban areas. The average employment per establishment at all India level has reduced from 2.88 in 1990 to 2.75 in 1998 and further to 2.41 in 2005. During 1990 – 2005 establishments grew significantly (3.44% per annum) but the employment per establishment (2.41 in 2005) has reduced significantly. Table-3 suggests that proportion of employment in establishments with more than 10 workers have declined substantially from 37.1 % in 1990 to 25.52 % in 2005. On the other hand the proportion of workers in smaller establishments, have increased substantially. For more details on the issue, please read our policy brief section titled *Latest Economic Census shows a Decline in the Growth of Employment in 10 States and UTs in India*http://www.nsa.org.in/Policybrief/18072008economiccensus.htm Hope this information is useful for you. Best NSA Team http://nsa.org.in -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Deshabhimani's cyber stigma
In fact. I think it is an acknowledgement of the potential of new media in subverting the editorial and politcal strait jacket within which traditional media works. Despite all its problems in terms of access and visibility, if the blogs, orkut and facebook pages an e-letters does upset the establishment, lets toast that Best On 18/08/2008, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sathamanyu is a pseduonym like 'neerikskan and indrans of M'bhmi and several other similar. There is a tradition in Print Media writing Op-ed pieces regularly in psedonym. So Thats not a problem. I think problem is not that of Deshabimani. Anyways. they will continue their atrocious campaign against any new movements. But the problem is larger. The Print and the traditional Broadcast is threatened by the possibilities of New Media. Naturally such tirades will go on. Who will subscribe and pay for age-old news and views.. The provocation lies in this aspect. We should welcome Sathmanyu to open a blog to air his views unmodulated by regimented editorial policy. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Anivar Aravind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In todays deshabhimani there is an article about Chengara Support in cyberspace by fake name Sathamanyu .As usual it is in abusive language Most interesting thing for me is the blanket abuse on Blogs and social networks like Facebook and Orkut only because they were used to build solidrity to chengara struggle. The argument is like this ULFA and some terrorists groups are using Orkut blogs . So all people using orkut Facebook blogs are terrorits It will be good if someone can translate this article to english and show the real face of CPIM media Anivar -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Deshabhimani's Damn lies again
Its interesting to note that the report is carried without any by-line. And one must give due credit to the powers of imagination. On 19/08/2008, Anivar Aravind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto to party media's perfomance during Nandigram, Deshabhimani continues to plant damn lies about Chengara Struggle. See the attached report appeared in the last page of Thrissur Edition This is news is not in website and other editions Anivar -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Most Immediate.10th D. S. Borker M emorial Lecture Series on “My Vision of India: 2047 – A Course Correction: 2008”, by Achin Vanaik, Arun Kumar, Nan dini Sundar, 24 Aug 2008, Deshm
*Friends, Sorry for any cross posting*. *D. S. BORKER MEMORIAL FOUNDATION* *Invites you to the* *Tenth D. S. Borker Memorial Lecture Series* My Vision of India: 2047 – A Course Correction: 2008 *Panellists * Prof. Achin Vanaik Professor of Political Science Dean of Social Sciences University of Delhi Winner of Sean MacBride International Peace Prize Prof. Arun Kumar Professor of Economics Jawaharlal Nehru University Author of The Black Economy in India Prof. Nandini Sundar Professor of Sociology, Delhi School of Economics University of Delhi Co-Editor of* **Contributions to Indian Sociology* Chaired by Shri S. Jaipal Reddy Union Minister of Urban Development Introduction by Prof. Manoranjan Mohanty Durgabai Deshmukh Professor of Social Development Council for Social Development on* *Sunday *24 August 2008* at 6.30 p.m. at *India International Centre (Deshmukh Auditorium)* *40, Max Mueller Marg, New Delhi * * * *About the Lecture Series:The D. S. Borker Memorial Lecture Series on My Vision of India: 2047 A.D. is a civil society initiative and was instituted in 1999. The lecture is held every year in the memory of D. S. Borker, Civil Servant and Public Sector Administrator (1911-1979), on 24 August at IIC Deshmukh Auditorium, New Delhi. The idea behind the series is to strengthen our secular democratic values and traditions and encourage the process of thinking regarding the kind of India we want in 2047 – a hundred years after our independence from colonialism.* * * *There have already been nine lectures in the series. **Past Speakers include: * *Rabi Ray, former Speaker Lok Sabha (1999),* *Madhu Dandavate, former Union Finance Minister (2000),* *Vandana Shiva, Ecologist and Feminist (2001), * *Mushirul Hasan, Historian (2002),* *B. L. Mungekar, then Vice-Chancellor, University of Mumbai (2003),* *K. R. Narayanan, former President of India (2004),* *Aruna Roy, Activist, Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathan (2005),* *Medha Patkar, Activist, Narmada Bachao Andolan National Convener, NAPM (2006), * *Mahasweta Devi, Writer and Activist (2007).* * * *A civil society initiative is dynamic by nature and must respond to changing situations. Who lives if the idea of a* *secular, democratic, inclusive India dies? In response to this overwhelming question, this year instead of the annual lecture a panel discussion has been organised on My Vision of India: 2047A. D. – A Course Correction: 2008. * In solidarity Suhas Borker 098-68-18-2845/098-11-02-2844 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Order passed by the Hon'ble High Court in Sewerage workers matter
Since the attachment containing the order is too large, I have uploaded it in the files section of greenyouth as Sewage Workers Order 1 2. Those interested can look it up at http://infochangeindia.org/200808087265/Livelihoods/Features/Love-s-labour-lost.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Litigation.delhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/8/22 Subject: Order passed by the Hon'ble High Court in Sewerage workers matter Dear All, This is to inform you all that the Hon'ble High Court has passed an incredible order in National Campaign for the Dignity And Rights of Sewerage And Allied Workers Vs. MCD Ors. in W.P. (C) No. 5232 of 2007. The order is being enclosed for your perusal. The said writ petition was filed on behalf of the National Campaign, highlighting the plight of the sewerage workers, and the fact that although safeguards had supposedly existed for their health, safety and welfare, reports conducted by various organizations disclosed that conditions of the these workers are terrible. Many workers have died and continue to die till date. Hence the Hon'ble Court as a first step has passed an order as enclosed above. This order provides for comprehensive medical examination of all the workers, ex-gratia payments for death or injury, equipment, safety measure, etc. The Hon'ble High Court has also set up a Committee to monitor the implementation of their order and report the same to the Hon'ble High Court on October 22nd of 2008. The Hon'ble Court has further sought information regarding inter alia a list of the names of contract workers and contractors. We would like to take this opportunity to thank and congratulate the members of the Campaign for all their help and support. We hope that this order will have wider repercussion throughout India. If you have any query regarding this please do not hesitate to contact us Kind regards, Jai Singh Advocate Human Rights LawNetwork 576, Masjid Road Jangpura New Delhi-110014 Phone No. 91-11-24379857/6922/4501 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website www.hrln.org *P.S. Sending in two parts. * -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Fwd: Order passed by the Hon'ble High Court in Sewerage workers matter
Apologies for posting the wrong link. The files can be found at http://groups.google.co.in/group/greenyouth/files?hl=en Bobby 2008/8/22 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since the attachment containing the order is too large, I have uploaded it in the files section of greenyouth as Sewage Workers Order 1 2. Those interested can look it up at http://infochangeindia.org/200808087265/Livelihoods/Features/Love-s-labour-lost.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Litigation.delhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/8/22 Subject: Order passed by the Hon'ble High Court in Sewerage workers matter Dear All, This is to inform you all that the Hon'ble High Court has passed an incredible order in National Campaign for the Dignity And Rights of Sewerage And Allied Workers Vs. MCD Ors. in W.P. (C) No. 5232 of 2007. The order is being enclosed for your perusal. The said writ petition was filed on behalf of the National Campaign, highlighting the plight of the sewerage workers, and the fact that although safeguards had supposedly existed for their health, safety and welfare, reports conducted by various organizations disclosed that conditions of the these workers are terrible. Many workers have died and continue to die till date. Hence the Hon'ble Court as a first step has passed an order as enclosed above. This order provides for comprehensive medical examination of all the workers, ex-gratia payments for death or injury, equipment, safety measure, etc. The Hon'ble High Court has also set up a Committee to monitor the implementation of their order and report the same to the Hon'ble High Court on October 22nd of 2008. The Hon'ble Court has further sought information regarding inter alia a list of the names of contract workers and contractors. We would like to take this opportunity to thank and congratulate the members of the Campaign for all their help and support. We hope that this order will have wider repercussion throughout India. If you have any query regarding this please do not hesitate to contact us Kind regards, Jai Singh Advocate Human Rights LawNetwork 576, Masjid Road Jangpura New Delhi-110014 Phone No. 91-11-24379857/6922/4501 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website www.hrln.org *P.S. Sending in two parts. * -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [DFA NewsLetter] Fwd: WSP Invites you to a documentary film Born to Sing
-- Forwarded message -- From: Rahul Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/8/24 Subject: [DFA NewsLetter] Fwd: WSP Invites you to a documentary film Born to Sing To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: shikha jhingan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 5:47 PM Subject: Fwd: WSP Invites you to a documentary film Born to Sing To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Women's Studies Programme, JNU Invites you to a documentary film Born to Sing directed by Shikha Jhingan Shikha Jhingan is an independent documentary film-maker based in Delhi. She is a founder member of Media-storm, an independent women's film making collective formed in Delhi in 1986. At present Shikha is teaching in the Department of Journalism at Lady Shri Ram College, University of Delhi. on Date: 26th August 2008 Time: 3.00 p.m. Venue: Committee Room No.002, SSS-II, JNU. * * **Synopsis:* *Born to Sing is a musical journey with four Mirasans, who sing life-cycle songs for their patrons in Punjab. Through an encounter with four Mirasans and their songs, the film explores a rich musical and oral tradition kept alive by these women. What is the nature of their relationship with their land-owning patrons? What happens when Punjabi pop music takes the entertainment industry by storm? How are the Mirasans dealing with dwindling patronage and pressures from men of their community? The documentary tries to grapple with these concerns faced by women who find themselves shunted out of their expressive traditions. At another level, music becomes a vehicle to explore the resilience of Malwa's composite culture. Video/2001/44mins./English with subtitles Produced by IGNCA. Camera: Sabeena Gadihoke; Sound: Surinder Prasad; Editing: Shikha Jhingan * -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Chengara discussion
at midnight when a group of men forced them into a jeep and sped away. The women have not registered a complaint with the police. ``Their husbands too are not in the know of things. We don't want their families to be destroyed,'' Gopalan said. Three of the women are married and have children. He said that the women came out into the open only after two male activists were found in a battered condition at the Harrisson godown on August 8. ``This practice of taking our activists to the godown and beating them up has become a regular feature,'' he alleged. Earlier, during a press conference held on August 7, Laha Gopalan had alleged that the CPM, the owner of Harrison Malayalam Ltd and the goondas have unleashed terror in Chengara with the support of the police. He said that the people who were taking part in the agitation were not being allowed to move out of the area and nobody was allowed from outside to enter the area. ``The people were not able to buy rice and other necessary items and medicines. Children are not able to go to school,'' Laha Gopalan said. --~--~-~--~~-- --~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ACTIVISM NEWS NETWORK group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/activism-news-network?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: PRESS RELEASE - · PUCL condemns the way Mr . Yusuf Sheikh, a human rights and social activis t of Vadodara, member of PUCL was summoned and interrogated by the Vadodara Police in a
-- Forwarded message -- From: ROHIT PRAJAPATI TRUPTI SHAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 26 Aug 2008 21:15 Subject: PRESS RELEASE - · PUCL condemns the way Mr . Yusuf Sheikh, a human rights and social activist of Vadodara, member of PUCL was summoned and interrogated by the Vadodara Police in a non-transparent manner. While PUCL understands the need for summoning and questioning people, it strongly feels their human rights should be respected. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: B. Dileepkumar Indiavision [EMAIL PROTECTED], Babu Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED], Badal [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], BD Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bela [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bela Bhatia [EMAIL PROTECTED], Belinda Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bhagawat Rath [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bhairav Acharya [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bharthi [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bhupendra Rawat [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bijulal M.V. [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bikram Jeet Batra [EMAIL PROTECTED], Binayak Sen [EMAIL PROTECTED], Binayak Sen Raipur Chattishgharh [EMAIL PROTECTED], Binayak Sen Raipur Chattishghart [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bipin Ekta Parishad [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED], cgnet [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chandralekha Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED], Chandrika [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Clifton Rozario [EMAIL PROTECTED], CNDP [EMAIL PROTECTED], ColinGonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED], CR [EMAIL PROTECTED], Deba Ranjana [EMAIL PROTECTED], Debamitro Chakraborti [EMAIL PROTECTED], debaranjan sarangi [EMAIL PROTECTED], Deena Bangalore [EMAIL PROTECTED], Deep [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Delhi DSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] *PRESS RELEASE * DATE: 25-8-2008 *·* PUCL condemns the way Mr. Yusuf Sheikh, a human rights and social activist of Vadodara, member of PUCL was summoned and interrogated by the Vadodara Police in a non-transparent manner. · The PUCL reiterated the need for an in depth and impartial enquiry into the tragic bomb blast cases that occurred in Ahmedabad last month. · While PUCL understands the need for summoning and questioning people, it strongly feels their human rights should be respected. · PUCL demands that the Police pursue the investigations constitutionally, professionally and stop terrorizing the Muslim community in the act of hunting down terrorists. An emergency meeting of the PUCL - Gujarat was convened at Vadodara to take stock of the situation arising out of the indiscriminate arrests and illegal detention of Muslim youth in the Ahmedabad-Surat blast investigation cases. The PUCL reiterated the need for an in depth and impartial enquiry into the tragic bomb blast cases that occurred in Ahmedabad last month. However the PUCL team expressed concern that in the name of investigation, several persons from the Muslim community are harassed and their constitutional and fundamental rights violated. Many Muslim youth have been summoned for investigation, detained on vague and arbitrary charges and their families not even informed about their whereabouts thereafter. *It is shocking that people are summoned verbally and not in writing, which is contrary to recent order of the Bombay High Court. *The PUCL condemns this unconstitutional manner of investigation which is bound to deviate the investigation from fair and impartial lines thereby preventing the police from arriving at the truth and arresting the real perpetrators of the bomb blasts. The PUCL also condemns the harassment of human rights activists and vocal leaders of the Muslim community - this reminds of the way the Gujarat Police operated in 2002. PUCL condemns the way Mr. Yusuf Sheikh, a human rights and social activist of Vadodara, member of PUCL was summoned and interrogated by the Vadodara Police in a non-transparent manner for 3 days on 29th, 30th and 31St July 2008 and on August 23rd - 24th in an old decrepit building (old police station in Karelibaug, Vadodara), till 2 a.m. in the morning. While PUCL understands the need for summoning and questioning people, it strongly feels their human rights should be respected. PUCL demands that the Police pursue the investigations constitutionally, professionally and stop terrorizing the Muslim community in the act of hunting down terrorists. We would like to put on record that the Supreme Court in its recent interim order dated 22nd September 2006 in Writ Petition (Civil) No. 310 of 1996 clearly observed …The petition refers to a research paper 'Political and Administrative Manipulation of the Police' published in 1979 by Bureau of Police Research and Development, warning that excessive control of the political executive and its principal advisers over the police has the inherent danger of making the police a tool for subverting the process of law, promoting the growth of authoritarianism, and shaking the very foundations of democracy. The commitment, devotion, and accountability
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [ANN:714] AMARNATH LAND ROW: CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS
denying audience to fruit growers and other trade organizations spearheading Muzafarabad Chalo program. Muzafarabad Chalo August 11, 2008: Kashmir traders, Hurriyat and PDP call for Muzaffarabad march to protest blockade; eight persons including separatist leader Sheikh Abdul Aziz killed. PDP extends support to Muzafarabad Chalo program of fruit growers. More killings August 12, 2008: Twenty one persons killed across Kashmir valley and Kishtwar as law enforcing agencies open ire on protesters at several places across Kashmir valley. August 14, 2008: Protests continue. Another youth shot dead at Safakadal, Srinagar. August 16, 2008: Lakhs of people swarm Pampore to participate in fourth day mourning of Hurriet leader Sheikh Abdul Aziz. August 17, 2008: NC Patron Omar Abdullah threatens to give up his Parliament seat if use of force against Kashmiris not stopped. And there still seems no end in sight … -- Tapan Kumar Bose B-10 Green park New Delhi 110016, INDIA -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Western trade deals that steal food
the environmental group WWF published a report on the U.K.'s indirect consumption of water, purchased in the form of food. Britons buy much of their rice and cotton, for example, from the Indus valley, which contains most of Pakistan's best farmland. To meet the demand for exports, the valley's aquifers are being pumped out faster than they can be recharged. At the same time, rain and snow in the Himalayan headwaters have decreased, probably as a result of climate change. In some places, salt and other crop poisons are being drawn through the diminishing water table, knocking out farmland for good. The crops we buy are, for the most part, freely traded, but the unaccounted costs all accrue to Pakistan. Now we learn that Middle Eastern countries, led by Saudi Arabia, are securing their future food supplies by trying to buy land in poorer nations. *Financial Times* reports that Saudi Arabia wants to set up a series of farms abroad, each of which could exceed 100,000 hectares. Their produce would not be traded: it would be shipped directly to the owners. The FT, which usually agitates for the sale of everything, frets over the nightmare scenario of crops being transported out of fortified farms as hungry locals look on. Through secretive bilateral agreements, the paper reports, the investors hope to be able to bypass any potential trade restriction that the host country might impose during a crisis. Both Ethiopia and Sudan have offered the oil states hundreds of thousands of hectares. This is easy for the corrupt governments of these countries: in Ethiopia the state claims to own most of the land; in Sudan an envelope passed across the right desk magically transforms other people's property into foreign exchange. But 5.6 million Sudanese and 10 million Ethiopians are currently in need of food aid. The deals their governments propose can only exacerbate such famines. None of this is to suggest that the poor nations should not sell food to the rich. To escape from famine, countries must enhance their purchasing power. This often means selling farm products, and increasing their value by processing them locally. But there is nothing fair about the deals I have described. Where once they used gunboats and sepoys, the rich nations now use chequebooks and lawyers to seize food from the hungry. The scramble for resources has begun, but - in the short term, at any rate - we will hardly notice. The rich world's governments will protect themselves from the political cost of shortages, even if it means that other people must starve. *— (c) Guardian Newspapers Limited, 2008* -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups
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[GreenYouth] On death penalty - hilarious and Sorry if this hurts sentiments
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/supreme_court_rules_death_penalty -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: ORISSA
Afthab, you forgot to mention how this forced internal refugee status also disenfranchises most of the victims in such a manner that the next democratic roadshow is a successful exercise for the perpetrators of the violence Wondering how much more silence and negotiatins are to happen before this experiment boldly spreads elsewhere A decade back most of us were cocksure that this will not infiltrate the south... well I am at a loss for words On 30/08/2008, Afthab Ellath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The important similarity of Gujrat and Orissa and the difference of these experiments from the earlier riots is the preparation and planned execution of the violence that will not let the communities to recover even after the riots are settled visibly The property damage is the most important strategy... Destroy all the livelihood and ensure the target will remain permanetly in humanitarin camps is the primary aim of these violences... The reports on the number of houses burnt in Orissa very shocking... In Gujrath majority of the victims were not allowed to claim their properties back... On 8/28/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...It did not erupt all of a sudden. The spontaneity theory of communal riots is defunct. Each time we only wake up as an event occurs and condemning it as untoward. The national body politic is infected with the hindu communal virus. Seeds of majoritarian violence is already planted through incidents in each small and large state, may be of small scale, which does not interest the national media as the media reports only devastations big and impacting large sections. In Karnataka, it is also well-planted. Is Kerala free from this?. No. There is also a trend legitimizing the Hindu majoritarain forces by the so-called neo-cons ,who in Left dominated civil socities may pose as Liberal and Left-leaning, sometimes even asserting identity politics, and who may not openly move with the Sangh. But in a surreptitious way, they scape goat minorities for violences, bomb blasts etc elsewhere , de- legitimizes Left discourses, invoke cultural nationalism and plant in a subtle way the notion of 'victimzed hindu majority. The dangerous trend of communitarian politics in Kerala is implanting this idea in a stealthy but determined manner. This is articulated in a different forms in different places suited to the particular character of middle class for their consumption and appeal by the leaders of communitarian organizations. And media reports it uncritically that too in the name of democracy. It is the balancing formula that I find most despicable. As Sbuhbh Mathur writes (Everyday Life of Hindu Nationalism: Ethnographic account): Liberal writing .. deplore the violence even as it holds the victims responsible for tis outbreak. The importance of the balancing formula. too, becomes apparent here. The violence is to be told as a Hindu reaction to Muslim (r*ead minorities)* provocation . Even as they condemn communal riots they share the cultural logic of hinudized nationalism. The economic explanation relating to causes of failures of 'welfairst state is also defunct and it dislocates the communal discourse to an external premise thereby relieving the communitarian politics from its violent deeds. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM, C.K. Vishwanath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the total failure of welfare measures is much more acute in orissa.new developmental governance of the state has created an army of disposable human beings who are easily mobilised for hate politics.all the welfare measures are moving in the hands of the followers of this hate politics.especially,tribal belts and dalit bastis are the real battleground for this kind of politics.the privatisation of welfare in indian context brutalises the civil life along the line of communal divide. --- On *Thu, 8/28/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: ORISSA To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 11:16 AM The road to communal fascism is being laid - Gujarat was the first pit-stop, Orissa follows, maybe Karnataka next - west, east, south The referees in this game seem to be the Congress and the left Wondering why the civil society reaction is comparatively mute about Orissa, given a strong presence of NGOs, academia and even non-party political formations On 28/08/2008, ahmed rafeek j [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, yes, it is burning and the organized massacre is widely being publicized as spontaneous retaliation. same way they did in gujarath. let this blood and scream also be added to their vote bank for next election. and let congress and left threaten us saying 'bjp is coming' . bjp may come and go, but the entire society is being gradually and systematically led to fascism. every single individual is prompted to take part either side. pope
[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups
want to go autobiographical in a public domain. Neelan --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice of anyone unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material divinity is also there!!). The modernist secular self unitedly holds to conveniently to erase traces of caste in appearances.Don't mistake surface to the core!! The class is a cover-up in this respect to avoid debates on the caste -dom that one has been domineering for long. By the way Its all going. Yes the cataclysm is not a fantasy, the tremble is more than real, as yeats said: Things fall apart, center cannot hold..and the ceremony of innocence is drowned. As you may very well-know Class was once again invoked typically by the dominating castes to dissect into caste configuration by way of creamy-layer. What is actually sought from the holders of caste power and the propertariat is to open up, share and equalize the resource, don't hold to what is waning out... basically nothing radical, it is a demand for bourgeois -civil rights. The movement for reservation is only a movement towards de-reservation. De-reserving the constituencies kept secure for ones own genetic generations. By the way I had read you quoting Foucault recently. In Madness and Civilization, he mentions about Ship of Fools.. Ya, ship of fools.. It speaks at large on our contemporary issues than any metaphors. damodar prasad On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:33 AM, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. Neelan --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: Greenyouth greenyouth@googlegroups.com Cc: sanil v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 8:10 PM Let me suggest n academic exercise for those interested/involved in social scientific studies of media. Can you check whether there is a SINGLE dalit member who is active in Fourth estate Critique? My hypothesis ( assumption , perhaps) is that there won't be any. And this is not a surprising 'find' but what is 'natural' about all left friend circles!! On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some friends told me that Sanil forwarded my response to his take in Fourth Estate Critique and couple of people there are irritated by it. They are particularly irritated by my reference to Sanni Kapikkad. I took Sanil's writing as a public document and responded to the text (irrespective of my personal friendship with him) out of the immediacy of the political context. I am happy that Sanil showed the academic decency to forward it to the forum where I am not present. I am more happy to learn that reference to Sanni Kapikkad troubled the savarna 'peace' prevailing in so called left private spheres.. Intense political struggles will disrupt the elitist consensus , however they try to keep a safe distance to it. Let us celebrate it Cheers!! -- Dileep R I thuravoor -- Dileep R I thuravoor Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download __ __ Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here -- Dileep R I thuravoor Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. -- Dileep R I thuravoor -- Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_webmessenger_2/*http://in.webmessenger.yahoo.com/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_mail_2/*http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups
Dear sanjeev The play is enlightening by itself Please do read it if you find time If I am not mistaken Babasaheb refers to the play often beyond our wise net space Best On 31/08/2008, S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: plz enlighten dear bobby:-) --- On *Sat, 30/8/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 30 August, 2008, 7:27 PM The tone this conversation has taken reminds me of Jean Genet's play *The Blacks *Apologies for sounding intellectual On 30/08/2008, S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *oks.* --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 4:43 PM OK, let me Neelan --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: S sanjeev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 12:45 PM dear mr.neelan, since you have been deploying dichotomies such as experience/theory I'd urge you to look at autobiographies of some of our major 'de-casters' and see how deeply caste is entrenched in those textual practices. --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED]*wrote: From: neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 9:47 AM Theoretical assumtions , arguements, negations, evaluations or revaluations are are fine Ranju. But practice and experience are all together ,a different thing. Neelan --- On *Fri, 29/8/08, ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, 29 August, 2008, 7:43 AM the caste hindu de-casting happened by assuming a meta-social sphere devoid of caste at the same time endorsing the system of caste as historical necessity. The caste power relations remained the same while the reformatory actions prevailed at the surface level. class was just an excuse for them and successfully constructed a world of caste-less false consciousness among the marginalised. in reality, while they ushered in caste pwer relations, the rhetoric of class helpd them evade the question of caste. Such was our de-casting. EMS is the perfect example. On 8/28/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :) Dear Neelan, Oradi pinnott, Randadi munnott ennano ennu samsayamundu! (Guerilla samarathandram...?) Randayalum onnayalum, chilappol kalu pinnottu vekkunnathu nallathanennu enikkum thonnunnu. charcha purogamikkanam ennathu oru linear pratheeksha aanallo. Charcha sidilekku gamichalum mathi.. Hope you are not hurt by my words. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lenin anganeyokke paranjittundo??? neelan --- On Thu, 28/8/08, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 4:25 PM Dear Neelan, Hope we will meet soon in another thread (randadi pinnott, oradi munnott enno matto alle Lenin paranjathu?) Cheers! On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 9:47 AM, neelan neelakandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is decasting possible asks Prasad, I have no answer. But there were efforts to decaste, which lead to severe outcasting and social isolations, in our own near past history. You can look back and demerit all those efforts, call them weak or what ever.But there were efforts. A sort of rebelloin against one's own caste Identity , which some saw as a chain not as a previlage. . Unlike what Dileep thinks, i am not resisting, i am trying ( yes trying ) to engage.And here i retreat. Neelan --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. Thats why conversing becomes fruitful without developing any attrition. But the issue is about the people outside the caste system and so-called development models, like Kerala model, well-categorized by the develomentalist discourse as outliers. The autobiographies have become the markers of our time. It is the people outside the varna system who artculates the deep dismays
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Even In Flood, India's `Untouchables' Last Rescued
I had forwarded this article to an e-group and this was the response I hope some of us acclaimed to be cause junkies and causeless journalists will notice and find time to read and respond. This also remains interesting to the thread that has been going on in FEC on disaster management. For me, having been arguing without being heard that disaster response works on hegemonic terms these are relevant questions Kerala remains interestingly so because there have been no disasters that has touched the Malayalee bourgeouise beyond the political party imagination that groups like KMSTF and their response is totally forgotten. I have not lived in Kerala... I do not believe that a number of this group has not -- Forwarded message -- From: Jyothi TM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3 Sep 2008 21:02 Subject: Re: Even In Flood, India's `Untouchables' Last Rescued To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Bobby chetta and canopeners, A lot of Indians/ canopeners would like to know why we should *believe *this piece of information from Associated Press. None of the mainstream Indian media reported this discrimination. Well none of the indian media portrayed the plight of Dalits in India. When air time and column spaces in Indian media were gobbled up by the Great Indian Debate over reservation issue, a foreign media source (BBC) used the occasion to air its documentary on tragedy of Indian caste system. Who is this BBC? Should we trust this foreign media? Why should we trust reports from WHO or UN or Amnesty International? When thousand villages are flodded, as it is now, rescue operations will not reach all places evenly. This irregular pattern could leave some villages at the mercy of nature for a longer time. If one of these villages are dalit inhabited, it is very easy to extrapolate it to refer to casteism. If it is not the case, then its a proud moment for six decades of self-governance. This has been accompanied by a very biased 4th estate has been feeding us on a rich diet of false nationalistic pride. We, Indians, oblivious to the history and realities in our country, have finally come to believe that it is time to shun the discrimination enforced upon us by our own constitution. Rising to the clarion call of modern India's role models, namely the bajajs, ambanis and birlas, we have risen up against dalits, who have been for the past 6 decades empowered like some wild life act protecting some endangered species of wild animal in a national park. Like some animal populations that outgrow its endangered status, the Indian media began to portray an India vying for superpower status wherein the OBCs/ dalits have become empowered and now no longer require special status. Some argue that despite providing access to everything India has to offer, the dalits did not develop themselves. In my opinion, it is high time that dalits and lower classes shun the refugee status showered on them by the protection offered by the Constitution of India, the euphemisms and accompanying condescensions. Better accept the world we live in which says, either fall in line and live or dissolve away into oblivion. Personally, I would prefer dissolving away into oblivion with dignity rather than live like a . Jyothi On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Ajay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3 Sep 2008 18:23 Subject: Even In Flood, India's `Untouchables' Last Rescued To: *Even In Flood, India's `Untouchables' Last Rescued * *By Gavin Rabinowitz* 02 September, 2008 *Associated Press* *TRIVENIGANJ, India *- In the two weeks since a monsoon-swollen river burst its banks, ancient prejudices have run just as deep as the floodwaters. India's untouchables are the last to be rescued — if at all — from a deluge that has killed dozens and made 1.2 million homeless. Dalits, the social outcasts at the bottom of the Hindu caste ladder, have borne the brunt of the devastation as the rampaging Kosi River swamped hundreds of square miles in northern India after it overflowed and shifted its course dozens of miles to the east. On Sunday, one Dalit, Mohan Parwan ran up and down a half destroyed bridge that has become the headquarters for rescue operations in this town near the border with Nepal, desperately scanning arriving boats for signs of his family. Dozens came in but each time he was disappointed. Parwan, 43, is from a Dalit village just 2 miles away but completely cut off by a deep lake created by the swirling waters. As the village headman, he was put on the first rescue boat that came and was promised his wife, four children and the rest of the community would follow. It's been six days and since then no boat has come from the village, he said, tears welling in is eyes. Dalits have long been shunned, holding a status so low they are considered outside the complex caste system that is all pervasive in India, dividing
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [ANN:734] Fwd: protest The illegal detention of two political activists in kerala
-- Forwarded message -- From: kerala koottayma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3 Sep 2008 01:34 Subject: [ANN:734] Fwd: protest The illegal detention of two political activists in kerala To: NUAIMAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: Thushar Nirmal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:28 PM Subject: The illegal detention of two political activists To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear friend, JANAKEEYA MANUSHYAVAKASA PRASTHANAM' strongly contempts the police atrocity against two political activists at Agaly, Palakkad. Two political activists Sunil Vinod belonging to PORATTOM were taken to custody by the Agaly Police on 31/08/2008 around 6.30 PM. The two above named where taken to the Police Station by the local trade union leaders while they were conducting a campaign against the recurring suspicious/unnatural death in Agaly- Attappadi area.This area is notorious for the operation of Ganja liquor Mafia. There are allegations against the political leaders of almost all the parties,Bureaucrats and Police for aiding the Mafia.Porattom was organising a mass campaign against these illegal/unloly ally and for a thorough enquiry in suspicious deaths occured in this area. Nearly within one year there were about 24 unnatural death reported from this area.In this jencture the campaign of Porattom created panic among the mafia -Bureaucrat-politicians ally and the illegal detention of porattam activicts is a counter blast. JANAKEEYA MANUSHYAVAKASA PRASTHANAM calls all the democratic forces and human rights organisations to oppose this illegal detention of Porattom activists and to oppose the Mafia-Bureaucrat-Politician unholy alliance. With Best Regards *Adv.Thushar Nirmal Sarathy* *Convenor* *Janakeeya Manushyavakasa Prasthanam,kerala* *cell: 09495218579* *here is petition sent to State Human Rights Commission regarding the issue.* Hon'ble chairman, I am an Advocate practicing at Ernakulam and conveener of 'JANAKEEYA MANUSHYAVAKASHA PRSTHANAM' On 31st August 2008 at about 9.pm I received a phone call and I was informed that two political activists are detained at Agaly police station with out any reason.The person who called me sought my intervention in this matter. Considering the seriousness of the matter I called to the agaly police station over phone(0492-4254222).The person who took the phone introduced himself to be the Dy.S.P.He admitted the detention of two political activists namely Vinod and Sunil and they were brought by the local people following a quarrel. He further told me that the intorrogation is in progress and no crime is charged so far. Today I recevied a phone call from palakkad informing me that the above said detenues were not produced before the Magistrate till this time.Immediately I called the Agaly police station over my phone.It was informed that they will be produced today evening. The above action of Agaly police is clear violation of constitutional rights.The direction given by our HON'BLE SUPREM COURT in D.K. BASU v STATE OF WEST BENGAL is not followed by the police . I humbly request your good office an immediate intervention in this matter. THANKING YOU YOURS FAITHFULLY Thushar Nirmal Sarathy -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [ANN:736] A.G. Noorai on Jammu Accord
like this, what hopes of justice can Kashmiris entertain when it comes to restoring the raped Article 370 to a status of worth and respect? -- Tapan Kumar Bose B-10 Green park New Delhi 110016, INDIA Tel: +91-11-26867694 (home) Tel: +91-11-46036051/52 Fax: +91-11-46036053 Cell: +91-9818001206 -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Chengara Land Struggle: A conspiracy that apparently precedes another Nandigram : Compiled by Dr Jiju P Alex Kerala Agricultual University
Anil will it be possible to give the link of where this article originally appeared? On 05/09/2008, devika Jayakumari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Anil's comment: I think the CPM has launched a new FIP (Faculty improvement programme, but actually family improvement programme) for teachers in its union! They have got to work. The UGC was die of envy this way. D. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: The Hindu Bombs
encore 2008/9/9 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read the write-up, Shahina. The hindu bombs were diffused at the newsrooms. I remember an incident from Trivandrum at the time of, I guess, visit of APJ Abdul Kalam, then President. Of some hoax mail or something a young muslim boy (from Manakkad, Tvpm If I remember correctly) was arrested by the police only because he had with him pellets which he got from his neighbhour. TV channels, print - evryone reported. Next day, the story completely changed. A Sharma was arrested in this regard. But I remember a channel reporter speaking greatly about Sharma's technical prowess. Thats Our Media.. Murdoch or Berlusconi.. does it make any difference, if this is the case. If all of us remember rightly, the Pokhran was detonated as a Hindu-Masculine bomb in the newsroom. BTW, I am afraid of reading. the Nuclear debate. People whom we know as serene turning hawkish is rather unbelievable. So I stopped it. National Patriotism(NP1) or Non-Proliferation(NP0) , my mind tends to shift towards the later. NSG/US/imperialism- all are now tied to the string of NP1. Thank you shahina for sensitizing the reading communities on newsroom biases. Damodar Prasad On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Friends, Follow the link below to read my piece on the Hindu bombs. Shahina http://www.thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=3302mod=1pg=1sectionId=19valid=true -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: No respite
land was only withdrawn after bribing a forest department official. The water from the Malay dam never reached to the proposed areas of Lesliganj, where 10 Dalits families died of starvation in 2004. They were agricultural labourers but did not get work due to drought. Ironically, the canal from the dam passes close to the rehabilitated village Kushikarma but never reaches them. If the displaced people had gotten water to irrigate their barren land, they could have gone for two crops. Now, the male members migrate to Punjab, Gujarat and Delhi in search of livelihood. Kushikarma still does not have a school or a health centre. Only 30 families remain in the village, others have migrated. A few of them returned to the dam site where they at least get the opportunity to cultivate the rabbi crop and fish in the reservoir. The state cabinet of Jharkhand has passed the Resettlement and Rehabilitation Policy 2008, hailed as a panacea for addressing the issue of displacement but this does not cover the already rehabilitated. But, if the government cannot rehabilitate a mere 56 families, how will they rehabilitate the masses? For the 'development' and displacements have only begun. *Gladson Dungdung is a Human Rights Activist. He can be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] See articles on Adivasis's affairs visit to www.indigenousindia.blogspot.com *Posted on Sep 05, 2008* -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: white women now deserting Obama
For those interested and on Facebook, there is a new interesting group on Facebook called *I Have more Foriegn Policy Experience than Sarah Palin * http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=36436310820ref=nf with around 60,000 members already. This group ridicules Palin. To quote the group description For all of you dumbfounded by the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate. This moose-eating political featherweight could be a heartbeat away from the presidency - what a frightening thought I have a feeling that quite a lot of Sarah Palin effect is media created 2008/9/10 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Palin effect: white women now deserting Obama, says survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/10/women.uselections2008 White women voters are deserting the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama because of the sudden emergence on the Republican ticket of Sarah Palin, according to a poll yesterday. An ABC/Washington Post survey recorded that an eight-point lead Obama held over his Republican rival John McCain before the arrival of Palin had turned into a 12% lead for McCain. The trend is in line with other polls since McCain's vice-presidential running mate ignited the Republican convention with a speech last week espousing social conservative values and presenting herself as a small-town mother taking on the cosmopolitan media. McCain has taken a 3% lead in a tracking poll by the RealClearPolitics website. Although the momentum has shifted to McCain and Palin, the election will be decided by independents and moderates, where Obama's domestic and foreign programme should have the greater appeal. However, the loss of support among white women could be fatal for his chances of winning the presidency if it was to be sustained. Obama had upset this constituency before the conventions, with many Democratic women unhappy that he had dumped their champion, Hillary Clinton, out of the nomination race. McCain received another boost when Rupert Murdoch's New York Post backed him in a front-page editorial. Earlier this year, Murdoch, who has extensive media outlets across the US, had hinted of support for Obama. Palin campaigned with McCain again yesterday, before taking off on her own for what is likely to be a tumultuous return to her home state, Alaska. She is not only bringing in the crowds but also the funding. McCain said a single fundraising event in Chicago had brought in $4m. The Democrats were initially uncertain about how to respond to Palin, but Obama, in recognition of her impact, now devotes almost as much time to attacking her as he does McCain. At a rally on Monday, he ran through her CV: Mother, governor, moose shooter. That's cool, he said. But he went on to say that voters had to look beyond and study her record as a Republican to see that she would amount to a continuation of the policies pursued by President George Bush over the past eight years. Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, acknowledged she had energised the Republican base but said the crux question was whether she would succeed in reaching out to independents in the run-up to the election on November 4. Obama's campaign team are continuing to go through her political record in Alaska, in particular her initial support for the Bridge to Nowhere, a $400m link to an island with a population of just 50. She later switched to opposition of the project. Obama said: You can't just reinvent yourself. The American people aren't stupid. What they are looking for is someone who has consistently been calling for change. A BBC poll published today will show that, despite the tightness of the race in the US, Obama is the overwhelming favourite in 22 countries. He is preferred to McCain by a four to one margin on average across the 22,000 people polled. The margin in favour of Obama ranges from just 9% in India to 82% in Kenya. On average 49% prefer Obama to 12% preferring McCain. Nearly four in 10 do not take a position -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: white women now deserting Obama
Just to clarify, I am no fan of Obama's. I am glad that a black person has been nominated and do not expect any earth shattering changes, despite allusions to Martin Luther King et al - 2008/9/10 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those interested and on Facebook, there is a new interesting group on Facebook called *I Have more Foriegn Policy Experience than Sarah Palin * http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=36436310820ref=nfwith around 60,000 members already. This group ridicules Palin. To quote the group description For all of you dumbfounded by the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate. This moose-eating political featherweight could be a heartbeat away from the presidency - what a frightening thought I have a feeling that quite a lot of Sarah Palin effect is media created 2008/9/10 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Palin effect: white women now deserting Obama, says survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/10/women.uselections2008 White women voters are deserting the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama because of the sudden emergence on the Republican ticket of Sarah Palin, according to a poll yesterday. An ABC/Washington Post survey recorded that an eight-point lead Obama held over his Republican rival John McCain before the arrival of Palin had turned into a 12% lead for McCain. The trend is in line with other polls since McCain's vice-presidential running mate ignited the Republican convention with a speech last week espousing social conservative values and presenting herself as a small-town mother taking on the cosmopolitan media. McCain has taken a 3% lead in a tracking poll by the RealClearPolitics website. Although the momentum has shifted to McCain and Palin, the election will be decided by independents and moderates, where Obama's domestic and foreign programme should have the greater appeal. However, the loss of support among white women could be fatal for his chances of winning the presidency if it was to be sustained. Obama had upset this constituency before the conventions, with many Democratic women unhappy that he had dumped their champion, Hillary Clinton, out of the nomination race. McCain received another boost when Rupert Murdoch's New York Post backed him in a front-page editorial. Earlier this year, Murdoch, who has extensive media outlets across the US, had hinted of support for Obama. Palin campaigned with McCain again yesterday, before taking off on her own for what is likely to be a tumultuous return to her home state, Alaska. She is not only bringing in the crowds but also the funding. McCain said a single fundraising event in Chicago had brought in $4m. The Democrats were initially uncertain about how to respond to Palin, but Obama, in recognition of her impact, now devotes almost as much time to attacking her as he does McCain. At a rally on Monday, he ran through her CV: Mother, governor, moose shooter. That's cool, he said. But he went on to say that voters had to look beyond and study her record as a Republican to see that she would amount to a continuation of the policies pursued by President George Bush over the past eight years. Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, acknowledged she had energised the Republican base but said the crux question was whether she would succeed in reaching out to independents in the run-up to the election on November 4. Obama's campaign team are continuing to go through her political record in Alaska, in particular her initial support for the Bridge to Nowhere, a $400m link to an island with a population of just 50. She later switched to opposition of the project. Obama said: You can't just reinvent yourself. The American people aren't stupid. What they are looking for is someone who has consistently been calling for change. A BBC poll published today will show that, despite the tightness of the race in the US, Obama is the overwhelming favourite in 22 countries. He is preferred to McCain by a four to one margin on average across the 22,000 people polled. The margin in favour of Obama ranges from just 9% in India to 82% in Kenya. On average 49% prefer Obama to 12% preferring McCain. Nearly four in 10 do not take a position -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: white women now deserting Obama
A toast to shark truths That was an interesting post about the wiki sabotage I wonder if Anivar or the other techies on this group have any comments 2008/9/10 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Same here. Thats the Sharkest Truth!! On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Just to clarify, I am no fan of Obama's. I am glad that a black person has been nominated and do not expect any earth shattering changes, despite allusions to Martin Luther King et al - 2008/9/10 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those interested and on Facebook, there is a new interesting group on Facebook called *I Have more Foriegn Policy Experience than Sarah Palin *http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=36436310820ref=nfwith around 60,000 members already. This group ridicules Palin. To quote the group description For all of you dumbfounded by the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate. This moose-eating political featherweight could be a heartbeat away from the presidency - what a frightening thought I have a feeling that quite a lot of Sarah Palin effect is media created 2008/9/10 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Palin effect: white women now deserting Obama, says survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/10/women.uselections2008 White women voters are deserting the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama because of the sudden emergence on the Republican ticket of Sarah Palin, according to a poll yesterday. An ABC/Washington Post survey recorded that an eight-point lead Obama held over his Republican rival John McCain before the arrival of Palin had turned into a 12% lead for McCain. The trend is in line with other polls since McCain's vice-presidential running mate ignited the Republican convention with a speech last week espousing social conservative values and presenting herself as a small-town mother taking on the cosmopolitan media. McCain has taken a 3% lead in a tracking poll by the RealClearPolitics website. Although the momentum has shifted to McCain and Palin, the election will be decided by independents and moderates, where Obama's domestic and foreign programme should have the greater appeal. However, the loss of support among white women could be fatal for his chances of winning the presidency if it was to be sustained. Obama had upset this constituency before the conventions, with many Democratic women unhappy that he had dumped their champion, Hillary Clinton, out of the nomination race. McCain received another boost when Rupert Murdoch's New York Post backed him in a front-page editorial. Earlier this year, Murdoch, who has extensive media outlets across the US, had hinted of support for Obama. Palin campaigned with McCain again yesterday, before taking off on her own for what is likely to be a tumultuous return to her home state, Alaska. She is not only bringing in the crowds but also the funding. McCain said a single fundraising event in Chicago had brought in $4m. The Democrats were initially uncertain about how to respond to Palin, but Obama, in recognition of her impact, now devotes almost as much time to attacking her as he does McCain. At a rally on Monday, he ran through her CV: Mother, governor, moose shooter. That's cool, he said. But he went on to say that voters had to look beyond and study her record as a Republican to see that she would amount to a continuation of the policies pursued by President George Bush over the past eight years. Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, acknowledged she had energised the Republican base but said the crux question was whether she would succeed in reaching out to independents in the run-up to the election on November 4. Obama's campaign team are continuing to go through her political record in Alaska, in particular her initial support for the Bridge to Nowhere, a $400m link to an island with a population of just 50. She later switched to opposition of the project. Obama said: You can't just reinvent yourself. The American people aren't stupid. What they are looking for is someone who has consistently been calling for change. A BBC poll published today will show that, despite the tightness of the race in the US, Obama is the overwhelming favourite in 22 countries. He is preferred to McCain by a four to one margin on average across the 22,000 people polled. The margin in favour of Obama ranges from just 9% in India to 82% in Kenya. On average 49% prefer Obama to 12% preferring McCain. Nearly four in 10 do not take a position -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group
[GreenYouth] Re: white women now deserting Obama
Just to clarify on how well-oiled this campaign is the official sarah palin facebook page has 116,000 or more fans, where pertinent questions on her homophobia, stance on abortion etc. are asked, while there is even a facebook porn page on Palin on facebook called *I would totally do Sarah Palin. *Whats interesting is that most of these groups have sprung up around her VP nomination seemingly pointing to the need for an American Politician to go public only when faced with a choice of her/his foriegn policy questions The Barack Obama official facebook group has around 1,740,295 members, John McCain throws up at the max 315,307 supporters. There are more Obama hate groups than McCain hate groups. But Obama seems to be generating more internet interest on the whole. While Hillary Clinton has only 116,902 supporters on her page, she seems to have a personal facebook page, while Joe Biden as a politician fetches around 49,000 supporters Atleast the facebook stroy seems to be a Obama vs. Palin fight, based sheerly on the group activity and number of responses thrown on a simple search, which in itself is a giant leap for the American society and a tiny respite for a battered world Best p.s- the figures are as and when I last searched facebook five minutes back 2008/9/10 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those interested and on Facebook, there is a new interesting group on Facebook called *I Have more Foriegn Policy Experience than Sarah Palin * http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=36436310820ref=nfwith around 60,000 members already. This group ridicules Palin. To quote the group description For all of you dumbfounded by the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate. This moose-eating political featherweight could be a heartbeat away from the presidency - what a frightening thought I have a feeling that quite a lot of Sarah Palin effect is media created 2008/9/10 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Palin effect: white women now deserting Obama, says survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/10/women.uselections2008 White women voters are deserting the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama because of the sudden emergence on the Republican ticket of Sarah Palin, according to a poll yesterday. An ABC/Washington Post survey recorded that an eight-point lead Obama held over his Republican rival John McCain before the arrival of Palin had turned into a 12% lead for McCain. The trend is in line with other polls since McCain's vice-presidential running mate ignited the Republican convention with a speech last week espousing social conservative values and presenting herself as a small-town mother taking on the cosmopolitan media. McCain has taken a 3% lead in a tracking poll by the RealClearPolitics website. Although the momentum has shifted to McCain and Palin, the election will be decided by independents and moderates, where Obama's domestic and foreign programme should have the greater appeal. However, the loss of support among white women could be fatal for his chances of winning the presidency if it was to be sustained. Obama had upset this constituency before the conventions, with many Democratic women unhappy that he had dumped their champion, Hillary Clinton, out of the nomination race. McCain received another boost when Rupert Murdoch's New York Post backed him in a front-page editorial. Earlier this year, Murdoch, who has extensive media outlets across the US, had hinted of support for Obama. Palin campaigned with McCain again yesterday, before taking off on her own for what is likely to be a tumultuous return to her home state, Alaska. She is not only bringing in the crowds but also the funding. McCain said a single fundraising event in Chicago had brought in $4m. The Democrats were initially uncertain about how to respond to Palin, but Obama, in recognition of her impact, now devotes almost as much time to attacking her as he does McCain. At a rally on Monday, he ran through her CV: Mother, governor, moose shooter. That's cool, he said. But he went on to say that voters had to look beyond and study her record as a Republican to see that she would amount to a continuation of the policies pursued by President George Bush over the past eight years. Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, acknowledged she had energised the Republican base but said the crux question was whether she would succeed in reaching out to independents in the run-up to the election on November 4. Obama's campaign team are continuing to go through her political record in Alaska, in particular her initial support for the Bridge to Nowhere, a $400m link to an island with a population of just 50. She later switched to opposition of the project. Obama said: You can't just reinvent yourself. The American people aren't stupid. What they are looking for is someone who has consistently been calling for change
[GreenYouth] Re: white women now deserting Obama
One more thing Regardless of the results of the election, the similarity in the process by which Palin and our own President Patil were selected is subversive and demeaning to gender discourses. In that sense, Hillary Clinton is a radical/ Whats more scary is the situations where these candidatures are thrown at democracy Best 2008/9/10 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to clarify on how well-oiled this campaign is the official sarah palin facebook page has 116,000 or more fans, where pertinent questions on her homophobia, stance on abortion etc. are asked, while there is even a facebook porn page on Palin on facebook called *I would totally do Sarah Palin. *Whats interesting is that most of these groups have sprung up around her VP nomination seemingly pointing to the need for an American Politician to go public only when faced with a choice of her/his foriegn policy questions The Barack Obama official facebook group has around 1,740,295 members, John McCain throws up at the max 315,307 supporters. There are more Obama hate groups than McCain hate groups. But Obama seems to be generating more internet interest on the whole. While Hillary Clinton has only 116,902 supporters on her page, she seems to have a personal facebook page, while Joe Biden as a politician fetches around 49,000 supporters Atleast the facebook stroy seems to be a Obama vs. Palin fight, based sheerly on the group activity and number of responses thrown on a simple search, which in itself is a giant leap for the American society and a tiny respite for a battered world Best p.s- the figures are as and when I last searched facebook five minutes back 2008/9/10 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those interested and on Facebook, there is a new interesting group on Facebook called *I Have more Foriegn Policy Experience than Sarah Palin * http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=36436310820ref=nfwith around 60,000 members already. This group ridicules Palin. To quote the group description For all of you dumbfounded by the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate. This moose-eating political featherweight could be a heartbeat away from the presidency - what a frightening thought I have a feeling that quite a lot of Sarah Palin effect is media created 2008/9/10 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Palin effect: white women now deserting Obama, says survey. http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/sep/10/women.uselections2008 White women voters are deserting the Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama because of the sudden emergence on the Republican ticket of Sarah Palin, according to a poll yesterday. An ABC/Washington Post survey recorded that an eight-point lead Obama held over his Republican rival John McCain before the arrival of Palin had turned into a 12% lead for McCain. The trend is in line with other polls since McCain's vice-presidential running mate ignited the Republican convention with a speech last week espousing social conservative values and presenting herself as a small-town mother taking on the cosmopolitan media. McCain has taken a 3% lead in a tracking poll by the RealClearPolitics website. Although the momentum has shifted to McCain and Palin, the election will be decided by independents and moderates, where Obama's domestic and foreign programme should have the greater appeal. However, the loss of support among white women could be fatal for his chances of winning the presidency if it was to be sustained. Obama had upset this constituency before the conventions, with many Democratic women unhappy that he had dumped their champion, Hillary Clinton, out of the nomination race. McCain received another boost when Rupert Murdoch's New York Post backed him in a front-page editorial. Earlier this year, Murdoch, who has extensive media outlets across the US, had hinted of support for Obama. Palin campaigned with McCain again yesterday, before taking off on her own for what is likely to be a tumultuous return to her home state, Alaska. She is not only bringing in the crowds but also the funding. McCain said a single fundraising event in Chicago had brought in $4m. The Democrats were initially uncertain about how to respond to Palin, but Obama, in recognition of her impact, now devotes almost as much time to attacking her as he does McCain. At a rally on Monday, he ran through her CV: Mother, governor, moose shooter. That's cool, he said. But he went on to say that voters had to look beyond and study her record as a Republican to see that she would amount to a continuation of the policies pursued by President George Bush over the past eight years. Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, acknowledged she had energised the Republican base but said the crux question was whether she would succeed in reaching out to independents in the run-up to the election on November 4. Obama's campaign team
[GreenYouth] Sarah Palin may be a lady, but she ain't no woman.
that the morally compromised fraternity of corruption-infested Republican robber barons and war profiteers came up with this stunt, but we must regard it in the same light as the rest of their treasonous, criminal behavior. We must regard Sarah Palin as the Carmella Soprano of the GOP -- an enabling wife of organized crime, who sees, hears and speaks no evil of the boys in her old-boy network for whom she does this ideological lap dance. It is a kind of eerie coincidence that Sarah Palin is being sprung on the public at the same time as the bimbo/frat-boy titty comedy House Bunny, which features a poster of a beautiful young lady with Playmate-style bunny ears, big, stupid eyes and her mouth hanging open like someone just punched her. Sarah Palin is the White House bunny -- the most nauseating novelty confection of the evangelical mind-set since Southern chastity balls, wherein teen girls pledge abstinence from premarital sex by ceremonially faux-marrying their own fathers. Sarah Palin is the sexual front of the culture war and the embodiment of the bold social engineering stance of the new authoritarianism that Republicans have been employing ever since they stole the election in 2000. As a result of conservative Republican policies, America has proved itself to be too rife with fraud, bureaucratic constipation, self-inflicted economic calamity, cronyism and incompetence to effect any positive movement anywhere at all, even at home. But, the Republicans seem to be saying, at least we can offer you the hope of putting women back in their place. Bristol Palin will no doubt be a fine example as a first teen, particularly now that her mother is inflicting an old-fashioned shotgun wedding on the hapless, horny, condomless youth who impregnated her. The Republicans are, in effect, saying: We're not going to win this race on the basis of being the better candidates. Barack Obama is going to make you think. You don't like thinking. Here's an It Girl vice president who is easy on the eyes, you stodgy old white baby boomer. She's like a grown-up version of Mary Ann from Gilligan's Island. She embodies the raw conviction that everything the Republicans have ever done has been right. She'll make you feel better about yourself for voting for Bush. *Twice.* http://judo.salon.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.cgi/www.salonmagazine.com/mwt/content/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Relax: The war is God's plan. (Or whatever.) Women, even if they are vice president, can always look pretty, worship their husbands in the fear of God and never, ever resist invasions from unwanted sperm. Sarah Palin and her virtual burqa have me and my friends retching into our handbags. She's such a power-mad, backwater beauty-pageant casualty, it's easy to write her off and make fun of her. But in reality I feel as horrified as a ghetto Jew watching the rise of National Socialism. She is dangerous. She is not just pro-life, she's *anti-life*. She is the suppression of human feeling and instinct. She is a slave to the compromises dictated by her own desire for power and control. Sarah Palin is untethered from her own needs and those of her family, which is in crisis, with a pregnant daughter, a son on the way to Iraq and a special-needs infant. She should, however, be a galvanizing point for women everywhere. Not to support her candidacy but to rebel against the Republican Party and take back the respect and equality so hard-earned by the women's liberation movement in the 1970s. We've been shanghaied. This is sick. We need to slap the face of our bad frat-boy date and walk home from this drive-in movie. Sarah Palin may put out to be popular, but the rest of America's women don't need to do the same. If not, what the hell? John McCain should go the whole Hugh Hefner route and have eight V.P.s that all look exactly like Sarah Palin. It's McCain's world, girls: You'd just live in it. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Amidst Wall Street Woes, Labor Activist Writer Bill Fletcher on “Solidarity Divided: The Crisis in Organized Labor and a New Path toward Social Justice”
, there were many of us that were concerned that when United Healthcare Workers-West started raising various issues and differences with the Stern leadership, that they were going to be trusteed, and we were told, No, no, no. You're paranoid. This is ridiculous! What did they do a few weeks ago? Announce that they're going to have trusteeship hearings with the intention of taking over the local. See, I think that the problem is that the debate that we should have had in our movement back in 2004 and 2005 did not take place. Instead, there were these exchanges about whether organizing or politics was more important, as opposed to understanding, getting at the root of why is our movement in the shape that it's in. *JUAN GONZALEZ: *And also, one of the—one of the issues that is increasingly coming to the foreground is obviously how will labor function in this presidential campaign. *AMY GOODMAN: *Yes. *JUAN GONZALEZ: *To what degree will it be able to mobilize voters behind the Democratic candidate, because I think most of the unions now are supporting the Democratic candidate? What do you think will be the effectiveness of the labor movement compared to prior to elections? *BILL FLETCHER: *Well, let me take this in two pieces. One is, in terms of this particular problem in SEIU, if SEIU goes forward with this ridiculous idea of a trusteeship of United Healthcare Workers-West, they are going to have to dedicate many staff to dealing with this situation, because the members of that local are very, very clear: they're not accepting a trusteeship. So what that means is that people that could otherwise be around the country working on various campaigns are going to be tied up in trying to impose this trusteeship. This is going to be absolutely horrible. But the other problem that goes a little bit beyond this, Juan, is that within the union movement there is this question of race that is starting—a few months ago, started to be raised by some leaders, including, and very notably, AFL-CIO Secretary-Treasurer Richard Trumka, but also by other leaders who have encountered resistance among a segment of the white membership to the idea of backing Obama for the presidency. And we can see it around the country, that there is this squeamishness in some sectors about pushing the envelope in terms of supporting the Obama candidacy. Actually, more than anything else, this concerns me. The SEIU situation in California is horrible, and I think it's absurd that there would be any thought of a trusteeship, but this issue of race, which for years union leaders have refused to talk about, beyond this idea of diversity—you taste my food, I'll taste yours—we haven't confronted this issue of race. And so, now what do we have? People saying, Well, you know, I'm not sure whether I really want to support him, when the basic question is simple: are you better off now than you were eight years ago? And if you are not, then you had better be supporting Senator Obama. Yet, this is—there's some squeamishness, as I noted. And so, I think this, over the next several weeks, this will be the critical question. And I'm hoping that unions on both sides of the split will be forthright in tackling this question. Let's not play any games. The race card, the race issue, is central in this race. There's no question about it. *AMY GOODMAN: *Bill Fletcher, I want to thank you very much for joining us, co-author of the new book *Solidarity Divided: The Crisis in Organized Labor and a New Path toward Social Justice*, also executive editor of blackcommentator.com http://www.blackcommentator.com/, former president of TransAfrica Forum. Printer-friendly versionhttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# Email to a friend http://www.democracynow.org/email/story/9673 - Sharehttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# - delicio.ushttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# - digghttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# - facebookhttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# - newsvinehttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# - reddithttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# - slashdothttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# - stumbleuponhttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/19/amidst_wall_street_woes_labor_activist# -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
[GreenYouth] Re: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Re: VRC Tirur
This is a big Thank You note. I hear, though I am yet to see the news report in madhyamam that the Human Rights Commission has started an investigation into how VRC is run... Thanks for all the support and responses, personal and public 2008/9/16 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not just Islamic educationist, I believe the thodupuzha institution is run by catholic educationists. Around a decade back, I wrote a short story about that, which I will be willing to share privately, cause I think, it would invite unecessary ire. I should thank Sasi sir and Geedha for sharing their inputs. And I hope the article gets publshed soon Mentally disabled are the easiest constituency for whom decisons can be made by others and this has far-reaching consequences. The fact that non-heterosexual orientation still within some sections of Indian psychiatric practice is still seen as a psychotic disorder I was wondering how VRC for instance gets recognition in forms of awards etc.. there are similar institutions in other states as well run by Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh and other religious denominations in other parts of the country. Thanks for the responses 2008/9/16 V. Sasi Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 12:50 +0400, Afthab Ellath wrote: We need de-addiction centers for those addicted to the same fundamentalist Islamic Educationists , who treats patients either with physical abuse or Islamism... Physical and verbal abuse is very common in most government mental hospitals in the country. People have no access to private mental hospitals, so no one knows what is happening there. Many hospitals don't even have nurses, according to a report of the Human Rights Commission. So it is not just Islamic Educationists who need treatment. Best -- Dr. V. Sasi Kumar Please visit http://keralachinthakal.blogspot.com/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Remembering Edward Said Five Years On
turned down and was unfairly pilloried for spurning peace for conflict. Said was on top of everything to the end as reflected in The Last Interview - a documentary film less than a year before his death. After a decade of illness, he agreed to a final film interview at a time he was drained, weakened and dying, yet found it very difficult to turn (himself) off. It was a casual conversation between himself and journalist Charles Glass reflecting on his childhood, upbringing, writing, scholarship, involvement with Yasser Arafat, and strong opinions and activism on Palestinian issues. It was in all his writings and outspokenness - so powerful, passionate, virtuous and a testimony to his uncompromising principles. He described Sharonian evil. His blind destructiveness. His terrorism in ordering the massacring of children, then congratulating one pilot for his great success. The patently dishonest media. Its one-sided support for Israel. Its suppressing other views. Its turning a blind eye to the grossest crimes against humanity, day after day after day. Of relegating public discourse to repetitive official propaganda. Of subverting truth in support of power and privilege. Of turning Palestine into an isolated prison. Suffocating an entire people of their existence. Of impoverishing, starving and slaughtering them. Of attacking defenseless civilians with tanks and F-16s. Of blaming victims for their own terror. Of creating a vast wasteland of destruction and human misery. Of sanctioning torture and targeted assassinations as official policy. Of committing every imaginable human indignity and degradation against people whose only crime is their faith, ethnicity, and presence. Whose only defense is their will and redoubtable spirit. Of enlisting world support for the most unspeakable, unrelenting campaign of terror and genocide. Of pursuing an endless cycle of violence and consigning Palestinians to a slow death in defense of imperial interests and the national security state. Of pursuing peace as a scheme for pacification. Of placing the onus for it squarely on Palestinian shoulders. Of putting an end to the (Palestinian) problem. Of placing huge demands on Palestinians and making no concessions in return. Of calling resistance terrorism while ignoring oppressive occupation as the fundamental problem. Of seeing Palestinians endure and survive in spite of every imaginable assault, affront and indignity. Of piling on even more and seeing an even greater will to survive and prevail. Said was passionate on all this and more. He was uncompromisingly anti-war and denounced America's war on terror. The country hijacked by a small cabal of individualsunelected and unresponsive to public pressure. The Democrats supporting them in a gutless display of false patriotism. The entire power structure characterizing Muslims as enemies. Passing repressive laws. Creating the obscenity of Guantanamo and other prisons like it. Their self-righteous sophistry of so-called just wars and evil of Islam. The near omnipotence of the Zionist Lobby, Christian fascists, and military-industrial complex. Their hostility to Arabs and claim to be on the side of the angels. Their inexorable pursuit of war and power. The media in lockstep supporting hypocritical lies masquerading as absolute truth. The silencing of dissent. Of mocking and betraying democracy. Of making a total sham of decency, humanity and justice. Of letting a few extremists create their own fantasy world to run the country for their own corrupted self-interest. Said said it all, and ended one opinion piece as follows: Jonathan Swift, thou shouldst be living at this hour. But even he might have blanched in disbelief considering the current state and potential horror of its consequences. Said understood. He's sorely missed when we need him most. *Stephen Lendman* is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization. He lives in Chicago and can be reached at * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also visit his blog site at* sjlendman.blogspot.com* and listen to The Global Research News Hour on RepublicBroadcasting.org Mondays from 11AM - 1PM US Central time for cutting-edge discussions with distinguished guests. All programs are archived for easy listening. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [IndiaFDIWatch] Pl. endorse the letter
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[GreenYouth] Fwd: Case Studies from State: Displacement Juggernaut - a publication by Delhi Forum
-- Forwarded message -- From: Delhi Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/9/24 Subject: Case Studies from State: Displacement Juggernaut - a publication by Delhi Forum To: Dear Friend, We are happy to share with you this information that Delhi Forum has published a book called *Displacement Juggernaut* which covers eight case studies from states on Displacement. As you are aware, displacement is increasingly being seen as an obvious and even acceptable fallout of the current paradigm of 'development' and 'nation-building'. There is an urgent need for civil society groups and movements to protect the rights of most vulnerable and marginalised communities. This book is an outcome of Delhi Forum's exercise to document experiences of different affected peoples and communities on the various modes of displacement. It is with a view towards building an effective response to the growing incidence of displacement and the lack of adequate and just rehabilitation. However, displacement is often seen only in the context of mega 'development' projects, urban or rural. Taking this into account, *Displacement Juggernaut* also makes an effort to examine situations where displacement and inadequate rehabilitation occurs due to conflict and counter insurgency strategies of the state. The case studies clearly bring out the plight of the people caught in such circumstances and the need for accountability mechanisms and instruments to prevent the loss, hardship and indignity that people are made to suffer in such contexts The Contents include: - 1. Fighting Negligence and Fraud: Struggle against the Indira Sagar Dam on the Narmada River. 2. Left Out in the Cold: A case study of the East Parej Coalmine in Jharkhand 3. Farmers' struggle against Displacement and Dispossession, The Anti-SEZ struggle in Raigad. 4. People's Struggle against the Bekal Tourism Area 5. MUTP: Connected Roads and Disconnected lives - Contextualisation and Key Issues. 6. Multiple Displacement and Right to Shelter: Case Study of Jahangirpuri H-2 Block Demolitions in North Delhi 7. From the frying Pan to the Fire: Displacement in Jammu and Kashmir. 8. Salwa Judum and Displacement in Chhattisgarh. The book is priced at Rs.100/- About DF: Born in the aftermath of the dark days of 'Indian Emergency', Delhi Forum (DF) represents the voice of the social action groups and autonomous peoples' organizations and movements in the national capital city of Delhi, since 1978. The movements and people's groups define the support that they need from DF ranging from Campaigns, lobbying, logistics, networking, advocacy, media publicity, legal aid, capacity building, etc. DF also works as a study and research group assisting the movements and action groups. The program focus of DF has evolved over the last three decades in the process of interaction with various groups and individuals, committed and involved in the fashioning of an alternate politics. If you are interested to get a copy of this book kindly contact the numbers given below or send us an email. -- In Solidarity, Delhi Forum F-10/12, Malviya Nagar New Delhi - 110017 INDIA Phones: +91-11-26680883/26680914 Emails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Death for six in Khairlanji case; two get life term
* that the judgment was a historic one and would send a strong message to society and act as a deterrent. Neeraj Khandewale, defence lawyer, said the death sentence was subject to confirmation by the High Court. Actually this is not the rarest of rare cases but unfortunately the court has awarded the death sentence. We are yet to get copies of the judgment and we will decide on the question of appealing in the High Court after that. *Related Stories* Khairlanji murders: 6 get death sentence, lifer for 2http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/000200809241440.htm Editorial on the murders: Khairlanji's shamehttp://www.hinduonnet.com/2006/11/20/stories/2006112004091000.htm One year after the murders: Fear haunts Khairlanji Dalitshttp://www.hindu.com/2007/09/29/stories/2007092961981500.htm Verdict leaves Bhotmange dazed, disappointedhttp://www.hindu.com/2008/09/16/stories/2008091655801100.htm *~~ Ours is a battle not for wealth or for power. It is a battle for freedom. It is a battle for the reclamation of human personality. - Dr BR Ambedkar ~~* -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] CNN Zardari and Palin
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/pakistans-president-tells-palin-she-is-gorgeous/ http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ September 24, 2008 Pakistan's president tells Palin she is 'gorgeous'http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/pakistans-president-tells-palin-she-is-gorgeous/ Posted: 06:20 PM ET *From* From CNN's Peter Hamby and Wes Littlehttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/tag/from-cnns-peter-hamby-and-wes-little/ [image: Pakistan president Asif Ali Zardari told Palin she's gorgeous.] Pakistan president Asif Ali Zardari told Palin she's gorgeous. *NEW YORK (CNN) –* Sarah Palin and the foreign leaders she has met with in New York have said very little to reporters over the last two days, but the press happened to be in the room on Wednesday for one eyebrow-raising exchange, as the new president of Pakistan lavished praise on Palin's looks. On entering a room filled with several Pakistani officials this afternoon, Palin was immediately greeted by Sherry Rehman, the country's Information Minister. And how does one keep looking that good when one is that busy?, Rehman asked, drawing friendly laughter from the room when she complimented Palin. Oh, thank you, Palin said. Pakistan's recently-elected president, Asif Ali Zardari, entered the room seconds later. Palin rose to shake his hand, saying she was honored to meet him. Zardari then called her gorgeous and said: Now I know why the whole of America is crazy about you. You are so nice, Palin said, smiling. Thank you. A handler from Zardari's entourage then told the two politicians to keep shaking hands for the cameras. If he's insisting, I might hug, Zardari said. Palin smiled politely. The Alaska governor did not answer questions from reporters at her first two appearances on Wednesday, when she joined McCain in meetings with Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili and Ukrainian president Viktor Yushchenko, and then traveled downtown to meet with Iraqi president Jalal Talabani. But she did offer brief remarks to a reporter at the Zardari meeting who asked about her day. It's going great, Palin said. These meetings are very informative and helpful, and a lot of good people sharing appreciation for America. Filed under: Asif Ali Zardarihttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/asif-ali-zardari/ • Sarah Palin http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/category/sarah-palin/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: Death for six in Khairlanji case; two get life term
Dear Ranju The castedness of the Indian judiciary and legal system is actually fairly well written about, so the lack of implementation of the SC/ST Act is hardly surprising. Well, in its 58 year history since independence, our SC has just 3 dalit judges and one dalit CJ. If thats testimony enough. The same is the question of gender. Since Fatima beevi became the first woman judge of the SC, there is an unwritten practice, where another woman would be appointed only after the term of the incumbernt woman is over. Well, in that context, the worry is about capital punishment. This worry is also pertinent in terms of the fact that most people vulnerable to the policing system are Dalits and Muslims. My point was that while conviction in the Khairlanji massacre needs to be welcomed, the sentencing needs to be condemned Warmly 2008/9/25 ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] it d be noted here that the court has refused to consider this as a case of caste atrocity. that is the politics of indian judicial system On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Having been part of a research on the implementation of the SC/ST atrocities act, while there is a sense of relief that, in this country finally there is a move towards legally punishing perpetrators of caste-based violence, I am worried about the extremes. While agreeing with the prosecution case about the gravity of the offence, I believe that it also is a moment to express a collective voice against capital punishment. This becomes an even more pertinent issue given the kind of prejudices that the Indian legal system operates within, victims of this most often would be people from marginalised backgrounds. To quote from an Amnesty study; *As the study relied on reported judgments, it was bound by certain limitations. For example, the socio-economic background of defendants does not normally emerge from the rulings, as it is judicial practice in India to avoid references to caste, community, religion and other socio-economic factors relevant to the victim or the accused, unless seen to be of direct relevance to the adjudication of the case. It is therefore almost impossible to analyse the impact of the application of the death penalty on members of particular religious or caste groups through a study of the judgments. There is an urgent need for more detailed studies, including detailed analyses of individual cases. Other countries have been shown to be using the death penalty in a highly prejudicial manner against individuals based on their ethnic origins or similar factors. For example, in the United States of America the death penalty has been shown to be disproportionately used against African Americans. * The full study can be accessed at http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=eid=ENGUSA20080502002 Warmly -- Forwarded message -- From: Ajay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/9/25 Subject: Death for six in Khairlanji case; two get life term To: *Death for six in Khairlanji case; two get life term * Special Correspondent *Capital punishment given for first time to killers of Dalits * -- * Verdict comes five days before the second anniversary of the killings Subject to confirmation by HC: defence lawyer * -- MUMBAI: In a historic verdict on Wednesday, the ad hoc sessions court in Bhandara handed down the death sentence to six persons in the Khairlanji massacre case. Two others held guilty were given life imprisonment. On September 15, sessions judge S.S. Das convicted eight of the 11 accused of murder, rioting with deadly weapons, unlawful assembly and suppression of evidence, while acquitting the other three of all charges. The court found no evidence under the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act and Section 354 of the Indian Penal Code, which refers to assault or criminal force with intent to outrage the modesty of a woman. While Gopal Binjewar and Shishupal Dhande were given life imprisonment, Sakru Binjewar, Shatrughna Dhande, Vishwanath Dhande, Ramu Dhande, Jagdish Mandlekar and Prabhakar Mandlekar were sentenced to death. Welcoming the verdict, Ramdas Athavale, Republican Party of India (Athavale), said it was the first time in the country that six persons were given the death sentence in a case of murder of people belonging to the Scheduled Castes. Speedy trial Activist and journalist Milind Fulzale from Yavatmal told *The Hindu *that in the cases of the Gavai brothers, who had their eyes gouged out in the 1970s; in the case of the Thombre brothers, who were killed at Kalamb in Yavatmal in 1997 during Holi; or in the case of Pochiram Kamble, an activist burnt alive during the struggle to rename the Marathwada University, nothing happened. Though cases were filed, either the matter was suppressed or some light sentence handed down
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Police get flak for 'Arabic' scarves of blast suspects
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ajay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/9/27 Subject: Police get flak for 'Arabic' scarves of blast suspects To: * * Police get flak for 'Arabic' scarves of blast suspects Tue, Sep 23 02:54 AM The Delhi Police is being severely criticised for covering the faces of the three blast suspects-Saqib Nisar, Mohd Shakeel and Zia ur Rehman- with 'Arabic' scarves with many terming the act as partisan and an attempt on the police's part to hint at a link between Islam and terror. The police usually covers the faces of criminals, whose identity cannot be revealed, with a towel or a black cloth. However, when the three suspects were produced in court yesterday, their faces were covered with scarves usually sported by imams and religious leaders of the Muslim community. Senior Congress leader Salman Khursheed told The Indian Express that such depiction was unfortunate and created an impression of a stereotype at a time when images flashed by the media was being closely followed by the public. Islamic scholar Dr Khwaja Iftekhar Ahmad, too, termed the use of the scarves as offending. It appears to be a design to malign the whole Muslim community and the Arab world. Making criminals wear such a scarf sends out a wrong message to other religions as well, added Ahmad. The Delhi Police, however, maintained that it had no code of conduct as far as covering the faces of suspects go. We do provide cloth to suspects to cover their faces with. But there is no code of conduct for it as such. The cloth could be red, black or white, said Delhi Police spokesperson Rajan Bhagat. A terrorist should be severely punished. But to depict a suspect in a way that can be recognised as 'Muslim' is wrong. This scarf is usually slung on the shoulder or used to cover the head during prayers, says Firoz Bakht Ahmed, who runs an NGO, Friends for Education, and teaches in Modern School, Barakhamba Road. Interestingly, police had said that Indian Mujahideen mastermind Atif had instructed his companions to remain without beard and dress in modern clothes in order to escape a typically Muslim look. The Urdu Press has also lashed out at the Delhi Police for this. The Hindustan Express has carried an editorial, 'Dilli Police Ka Arbi Roomal', criticising the police's action in its Monday edition. *~~ Ours is a battle not for wealth or for power. It is a battle for freedom. It is a battle for the reclamation of human personality. - Dr BR Ambedkar ~~* -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [invitesplus] Fwd: A.sexual or A.ble? - article on disability and sexuality
is still the only mandatory level required for Mexico, but unless a family advocates on behalf of their child to be educated at this level with their peers, a young person with a disability is either placed in a special school with other students with various ability levels and needs, or left on their own. Any education beyond this level, as in most higher education contexts, heavily relies on the motivation of both the young person and their support systems. Many roads are inaccessible for the disabled due to lack of adequate sidewalk areas or treacherous, rocky surfaces, and motorists have little patience for someone who is slow to cross a road for whatever reason. Public transportation, bathrooms, and most jobs are out of reach. But there is hope, as more programs become available for the disabled through our own activism, as more public education is used to discuss disabilities with the general public, and as more international organizations and networks, especially online, become portals for connecting to and inspiring others. This is why it is important that Panorama, TakingITGlobal, and other international publications gain a perspective with sensitivity to the disabled in all topics which are of interest to the general audience they wish to address, especially in the areas which are most often ignored, such as sexuality, education, and minority groups, among others. Thank you and I hope to hear from you, Ms. Jamie Rau I am 23, live in Oaxaca Mexico, and have cerebral palsy. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/invitesplus/message/3487;_ylc=X3oDMTM1dDdmZjFqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRtc2dJZAMzNDg3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIyMjQyOTM0OAR0cGNJZAMzNDg3 (1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/invitesplus/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMDJtNDQ5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRtc2dJZAMzNDg3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIyMjQyOTM0OA--?act=replymessageNum=3487| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/invitesplus/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNDE4YzA5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMjI0MjkzNDg- Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/invitesplus/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOTQ5OTdyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjI0MjkzNDg- for human rights events send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] check out all this and more at our website http://openspace.org.in RESPECT ALL MEMBERS. It is always okay to disagree. It is never okay to disagree rudely. You have a right to feel anyway you feel. How you act on those feelings is what is important. Treat all members with civility and respect. and the big bad wolf says: [image: Yahoo! Groups]http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOTUxcjIxBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIyMjQyOTM0OA-- Change settings via the Webhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/invitesplus/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbDNkOG1lBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjIyNDI5MzQ4(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Digest| Switch format to Traditional[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Traditional Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/invitesplus;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaXUzYmgxBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIyMjQyOTM0OA--| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/| Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/invitesplus;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNmFkMGZmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1MTk4NDc1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTE4ODAxMQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMjI0MjkzNDg- Give Back Yahoo! for Goodhttp://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJubTQ2YzA2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMTUxOTg0NzUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTg4MDExBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDYnJhbmQEc3RpbWUDMTIyMjQyOTM0OA--;_ylg=1/SIG=11314uv3k/**http%3A//brand.yahoo.com/forgood Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free!http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJwaHZ2OWhsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMTUxOTg0NzUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTg4MDExBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMjIyNDI5MzQ4;_ylg=1/SIG=11c6dvmk9/**http%3A//toolbar.yahoo.com/%3F.cpdl=ygrps easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJwcXFiYmFwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMTUxOTg0NzUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTg4MDExBHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMjIyNDI5MzQ4 in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit
[GreenYouth] 50 villains of english lit
On a lighter note check this out http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/09/20/bovillains120.xmlpage=1 -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Hindu small item on bookport
Thanks anyways Aryan And congrats to the GY members who are behind Bookport! (wink) 2008/9/28 aryakrishnan ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear all, Apologies to all of you I am extremely sorry for this post, I could have been careful. It was by mistake. It was meant for another small group. I did not mean to post it in green youth. Regards Aryan On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, aryakrishnan ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=2740709navname=Kochi%20moreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/thehindu/cities/kochi.phphomeurl=http://publication.samachar.comnextids=2740702|2740703|2740704|2740705|2740706|2740707|2740708|2740709|2740710|2740711|2740712|2740713|2740714|2740715|2740716|2740717|2726121|2726122|2726123|2726124|2726125|2726126|2726127|2726128|2726129|2726130|2726131|2704691|2704692|2704693|2704694|2704695|2704696|2704697|2704698|2704699|2704700|2695661|2695662|2695663|2695664|2695665|2695666|2695667|2695668|2695669|2695670|2695671|2695672|2695673nextIndex=8http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=2740709navname=Kochi%20moreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/thehindu/cities/kochi.phphomeurl=http://publication.samachar.comnextids=2740702%7C2740703%7C2740704%7C2740705%7C2740706%7C2740707%7C2740708%7C2740709%7C2740710%7C2740711%7C2740712%7C2740713%7C2740714%7C2740715%7C2740716%7C2740717%7C2726121%7C2726122%7C2726123%7C2726124%7C2726125%7C2726126%7C2726127%7C2726128%7C2726129%7C2726130%7C2726131%7C2704691%7C2704692%7C2704693%7C2704694%7C2704695%7C2704696%7C2704697%7C2704698%7C2704699%7C2704700%7C2695661%7C2695662%7C2695663%7C2695664%7C2695665%7C2695666%7C2695667%7C2695668%7C2695669%7C2695670%7C2695671%7C2695672%7C2695673nextIndex=8 -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Report warns India on devastating asbestos cancer epidemic
histories with medical records, so the asbestos cancer epidemic is not officially tracked or recorded. There are no official statistics. 6. The Conference of the Parties of the UN Rotterdam Convention1 will take place in Rome from October 27-31, 2008. India and Canada have been instrumental in ensuring previous meetings failed to allow right-to-know controls on asbestos. 7. The publication will be launched simultaneously on September 25, 2008 in Asia and Europe at events being held in Mumbai2 and Amsterdam. Contacts Laurie Kazan-Allen, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rory O'Neill, Hazards, tel: 01535 210462, mobile: 07813 779501.3 ___ 1 For more information on the Rotterdam Convention see: http://www.pic.int 2 For information on the location of the press launch in Mumbai contact Madhumita Dutta, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3 From noon September 24 – September 28, 2008 Rory will handle calls as Laurie will be in Amsterdam for the European press launch of the monograph. Sent by: Gerard Oonk director India Committee of the Netherlands Mariaplaats 4e 3511 LH Utrecht The Netherlands 030-2321340 *http://www.indianet.nl* http://www.indianet.nl Gerard Oonk directeur Landelijke India Werkgroep/ director India Committee of the Netherlands Mariaplaats 4e 3511 LH Utrecht The Netherlands 030-2321340 *http://www.indianet.nl* http://www.indianet.nl -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Granite industry blues
http://infochangeindia.org/200808087291/Livelihoods/Features/Granite-industry-blues.html Granite industry blues By Bobby Kunhu The granite industry in Rajasthan has been growing at 50% annually. But this growth has serious social and environmental costs. For one, water sources are being depleted, forcing farmers to become labourers in the granite industry [image: granite industry in Rajasthan] Granite mining in Rajasthan is an approximately Rs 800 crore industry today; it forms 95% of India's dimension stone exports (stone delivered from the quarry rough, but brought to required sizes). The history of granite, unlike marble, began after the formation of the state of Rajasthan. It started in 1965, with the establishment of the first granite factory by the Government of Rajasthan, with help from the department of mines and geology. All the work then -- from extraction to tile-making -- was undertaken manually. In 1971, the Rajasthan Industrial and Mines Development Corporation took over, finally leading to privatisation in 1987. By 1989 there were at least 600 small-scale industries involved in granite cutting across the state. Since then, granite exploration and processing is estimated to have grown by 50% annually. Granite mining and the granite industry in Rajasthan is concentrated mostly in Jalore, Sirohi, Bhilwara, Pali, Barmer and Jhunjhunu. The growth of the granite industry in Rajasthan has been so exponential that within a short period of three decades, Jalore has come to be known as the Granite Capital of India. Jalore alone has 206 granite mining leases, up from 80 between 2006 and 2007 (an average of three hectares per mine) and 400 granite processing units capable of producing from 12 x 24 tiles to 24 x 120 slabs. Hundreds of shades of granite from Rajasthan reach various parts of the country and the world -- mainly the Middle East, Europe and North America. All this information is up for grabs on the Rajasthan government website, the Jalore granite industry website and the website of the Rajasthan department of mines and geology. It's a rosy picture indeed, showcasing the fantastic growth of the industry. Granite is strongly promoted as a replacement for marble in the construction business the world over. But what the government's story does not reveal is the cost -- both social and environmental -- at which this growth has been achieved. The mining officer at the department of mines and geology in charge of Jalore had no idea either about mines or about geology, let alone the social and environmental costs. Traditionally, the mainstay of the Jalore economy has been agriculture and animal husbandry. Both are dependent on average rainfall of 41.9 mm, with temperature variations of 4-40 degrees Celsius. Agriculture is mainly rain-fed in this region, which means that farming itself is precarious. The mines and processing units are largely owned by the Jain, Maheshwari, Aggarwal and Chowdhary communities, while the labourers belong to the Mali, Rebbari, Bheel and Chowdhary communities. The caste hierarchy is thus firmly in place. Around 7.2 crore litres of water are required annually to process granite in Jalore district alone. And this requirement increases every year, in direct proportion to the annual growth rate of 50% within the granite industry. All this water goes waste as slurry, as neither the state nor the industry has taken steps towards conserving or recycling water used in the granite industry. What does this mean for agriculture in this region? The bajra cultivator, who is usually a low-caste marginal farmer with no political clout, dependent on water in a water-scarce region, is forced to compete for water with 100% export-oriented units like Shree Ram or Fateh Industries. The exponential increase in granite mining and industry and the consequent increase in demand for water has left the marginal farmer without water for irrigation. Given the demand for granite, one does not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out who will win in the war for water. Stretches of land that just one to five years ago were bursting with bajra crops stand barren. And the traditional bajra cultivator has no option but to become a labourer either in a granite mine or a granite factory. Most of the granite mines are populated with workers who were once agricultural labourers. The Rajasthan Human Development Report prepared by the Planning Commission of India raised concerns regarding decline in agriculture as early as 2002. Following the explosion in granite mining, kerosene has replaced water as a coolant in the industry and is supposed to have revolutionised it. This means 4,000 litres of kerosene are required per month per granite processing unit. Translated in terms of the existing number of units, that's 1.92 crore litres of kerosene every year in Jalore alone. This too is growing at around 50% annually. Small-scale unit owners concede that all the kerosene is obtained from the black
[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi
is, clinging to one's position.Gandhian model of individualisation is mediated by the concept of satyagraha. Thus he was a cripto-communitarian and cripto-liberal. Why Gandhi is not a liberal?Its answer could be found in the lifeworld of that period. State was the arbitrator / umpire of public justifications then.As an anrchist Gandhi didn't conceive a state. In the social world conceived by him, major moving principle and force of social organisation is Satyagraha.Every individual has to resolve the problem.Whatever be the other ( state, individual or community), we will never find a reification of any of those terms in Gandhi.All others are subject to negotiations. the following are some problems we come across while reading gandhi today. 1.Is Satyagraha a solution when state undergoes radical transformations under neoliberal economic changes? Gandhi's specialisation was in struggles and he encountered state as the dominant adversary.Today people face corporates as well as state in struggles. 2.What will be gandhi's answers to questins on public debate today?Public justification of one's political programmes is the most important priciple in a world where liberal ddemocracy has become commonsense.Actually all debates are interest--national, market , individual as well as communitarian-- based. S.Gopalakrishnan,T.V.Madhu and Damodar Prasad presented papers(Hope Prasad will summarise the points he presented.) . K K Baburaj,K P Sethunath, N P Johnson and Devarajan tokk part in discussions. Dileep R I thuravoor On Oct 3, 9:50 am, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, a group of people came together under BookPort's intative to share thoughts on relevance of readings of Gandhi in the present. Dr.Nizar Ahmed: The notion of reading had an edifying nature in its modern sense. Reading was meant for self development and self enlightenment. In order to reach majority from minority, as Kant described it. Classical reading was different.there one read ... read more » -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi
Dear Jenny and Hey Luisa - was not at all trying a one-up-man-ship... Please continue with Ghandi - its all the same...There needs to be a debate on whether difference in religion(parsi or baniya) has changed caste hierarchies at all And I do not claim to be an anarchist (despite my profound respect for anarchism)! I just got online and read the thread after that More of this post is a reply to Jenny and getting to remember arguments we had on english as an empowerment language. before I explain why I am reluctant to give up Gandhi as a political tool (and I do not see why he should be seen otherwise either)... Just needed to point out that the Indians who got the right livelihood award this year are this really effective dalit couple from TN, who without any apologies claim to be Gandhians - Krishnammal and Shankaralingam Jaganathan and they are part of a Gandhian organisation. There is a work I am trying to finish that I shall be able to share soon on this which I am trying to fathom whether gandhian politics is empowering and disempowering So like English as a colonial language that is empowering, may be Gandhian politics works at some levels (while our role of critiquing Gandhi continues) (Deliberately refraining from discussing Gandhi as anarchist and non-violence as a political tool) Jenny, you know my malayalam disability - if possible and if you have, I would like references to caste critiques on Namboodiripad Warmly 2008/10/4 Luisa Steur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oops...I'm a bit dislexic..from now on I'll pay attention to the spelling of Gandhi's name :-) Luisa - Original Message From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, 4 October, 2008 10:21:18 Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi Thanks Jenny for that response, I was reading these exchanges with interest and I loved Venu's mail. I thought this might be an appropriate juncture to throw in some words I was very fascinated by the spelling Luisa used for Gandhi (Luisa, please dont see this is as nitpicking - I agree with most of what you said in your post and there is a remarkable way in which anarchism is read in India - even I have often been called one for merely not complying to established streams of thought and I am far from being one). Gandhi is a bania caste surname, whereas Ghandi/y is the Parsi/Bohra surname. Interestingly, there is a rumour that Indira changed her surname from Ghandy to Gandhi to identify with MK. I dont think it is difficult to establish Gandhi as castiest and patriarchal and I am fairly critical about attempts by people like D R Nagaraj to harmonise Gandhi with the Dalit empowerment politics in general and Ambedkar in particular. Having said all of the above, I am not sure how one exorcises Gandhi in the first place. On the other hand, I do not think it is a worthwhile exercise that requires the expending of energies. Moreover, despite all my reservations about Gandhi and his savarna philosophy, I still do not see him as being completely irrelevant. There are others within the mainstream political discourse who have been more complicated, suave and dangerous in that regard like the Namboodiripad kinds, who have hardly been critiqued (at least I am not aware of serious critiques) Warmly On 04/10/2008, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Venu'ettan and Luisa for your posts. (Its strange that there was no response so far to what Venugopal has written on Gandhi. It is even more strange that in this post-Chengara age also there can still be a seminar on Gandhi's position without a single mention of the oppressive caste system that he has personally and politically helped to perpetuate. .!!!) Actually all the casteist truths about Gandhi, as pointed out by Venugopal, does not seem to disturb India's most enlightened intellectuals. This was visible to many of us, when a seminar on Gandhi was organized a few years ago in Hyderabad, and Gandhi was presented as the best thing to have happened to alternate, intellectual thought. However, some of us cannot ever forget that Gandhi is the spiritual and moral leader of the Savarna Hindu community that took over power from the British and has been ruling us both culturally and politically after they left.. As responsible intellectuals, we should be exorcising the ghost of Gandhi from the mind of this nation - the ghost which still sees to it that this nation remains Savarna and Hindu resulting in so much suffering day by day, as we are all witness to .. We need to do some serious new kind of thinking in this manner, along the lines of Ambedkar and later Dalit Bahujan scholars like G Aloysius. and if as Luisa said, anarchism also signifies social change, Gandhi should be seen as someone who prevented it, with his charisma and inspired Hindu political will. regards jenny *ps*: And its high time we find some space for categories
[GreenYouth] Re: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Re: SHIVER … DOWN THE SPINE
from a family of which 9 people had been killed in the blast. Those women were lamenting their plight in which they had been forced to bribe even for a decent burial for their beloved ones. I was scared. I wish they would not see me! I was again blanketed by a terrible sense of distress. My vision was blurred off in tears; I couldn't speak a word, my voice strangled in my throat. In such moments of emotional turbulence the rationale of political thinking may not help. Many of my friends who shared the sleepless nights with me thought of writing about the entire trauma of an identity and its subjectivity, but they were skeptical about the ramifications of such an act in my life. One of my friends sharing the deep anguish, posted in his blog, a single liner- Shiver, down the spine. No comments have been posted yet, because the readers of his blog are left with no other clue. Now I think it is high time to speak up. I don't want to grow a censor within me. Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Yahoo! group at http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: 'Your religion follows you' Shahina says
Thanks 2008/10/4 Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: sreevasudeva bhattathiri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 7:29 PM Subject: 'Your religion follows you' Shahina says see the attchments -- Phone: 0471-3293472 Mobile: 98473 45534 -- Dileep R I thuravoor -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] ALERT: A consceince encountered
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[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi
REJECTED GANDHI. regards On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:36 AM, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry i sent off that half-written piece, without knowing.. Dileep , You ignore certain critical traditions and go on talking about Sathyagraha and Panchayathi Raj, which is a talk that started some sixty years ago.. and when some others bring attention to some alternate ways of thinking about the same subject, you turn the tables on them and project your own problems into them? Can you please follow your own advice about critical debate, and tell me what makes you think i am intolerant. I was just drawing attention to the fact that Venugopal's post with so much informatin on gandhi was being ignored, and then connecting it to the fact that caste was not brought into the discussion, also .. And i was not asking the seminar to mention Chengara. I was referring to the point that in talking about Gandhi, you cannot forget the issue of caste, which had come alive after the Chengara issue.. Who is Ajay Skaria? I saw similarities in the seminar on Gandhi that happened in Hyderabad, with people like Ajay Skaria.. and in the report you gave.. that is why i mentioned him. and you are the one who seems to be angry.. jenny 2. Jenny, on post Chengara scenario, there ofcourse were serius deliberations in the session. ( why are you so intolerent of a debate where about thirty people met -- everybody except two or three were nonacademicians-- and had a live discussion on certain important political issues ? who is Ajay Skaria? Why do you transfer such anger to this sphere?) Nizar observed that Chengara struggle is Gandhian in nature due to the readiness to self injury but the present day state and civil society is more brutal than the British. It doesn't mind even if the struggling people die. Thus here government is resorting to Gandhian method , waiting patiently for the people to change ther mind On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:25 AM, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ( I really don't understand why people exhort to refrain from engaging in critical debates and be satisfied with chanting certain manthras.While somebody claim that everything is said and done on certain topics, and everybody should content with uncritical repetition of certain 'critical' traditions... and show intolerence toward all differences, and even worse, brand everybody referring to certain names as reactionaries... I simply feel like ignoring it.) You ignore certain critical traditions and go on talking about Sathyagraha and Panchayathi Raj, which is a talk that started some sixty years ago.. and when some others bring attention to some alternate ways of thinking about the same subject, you turn the tables on them and project your own problems into them? 1.*Really? and modern?? what kind of discussions take place there in GAndhi's (savarna) raj? * Ranju, This is as rediculous as retorting Really?Modern? to somebody who say Hindu fundamentalism is modern not, traditional!! the point was, panchayat is a state, umpire, arbitrar, whihc works on hierarchy. Gandhi does not deny decision making within it . Its not that Gandhi stick to statelessness. Its only that his state is small. The moment one come across modern or discussion' why should some (positive) values be ascribed to it? 2. Jenny, on post Chengara scenario, there ofcourse were serius deliberations in the session. ( why are you so intolerent of a debate where about thirty people met -- everybody except two or three were nonacademicians-- and had a live discussion on certain important political issues ? who is Ajay Skaria? Why do you transfer such anger to this sphere?) Nizar observed that Chengara struggle is Gandhian in nature due to the readiness to self injury but the present day state and civil society is more brutal than the British. It doesn't mind even if the struggling people die. Thus here government is resorting to Gandhian method , waiting patiently for the people to change ther mind !! Can you please follow your own advice about critical debate, and tell me what makes you think i am intolerant. When there is a report on a seminar with no reference to the issue of Caste, and there is a cliched debate ** -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Cinematic Politics of terror
Hello all Let me first welcome Gouri Patwardhan, a filmmaker to this group and post an article she forwarded me just now Warmly Cinematic politics Print http://www.indianexpress.com/story_print.php?storyid=369791 Emailhttp://www.indianexpress.com/news/cinematic-politics/369791/# Feedback http://www.indianexpress.com/static.php?q=feed Discusshttp://www.indianexpress.com/news/cinematic-politics/369791/#post Rate Article javascript:setRating(1,369791) javascript:setRating(2,369791) javascript:setRating(3,369791) javascript:setRating(4,369791) javascript:setRating(5,369791) javascript:setRating(6,369791) javascript:setRating(7,369791) javascript:setRating(8,369791) javascript:setRating(9,369791) javascript:setRating(10,369791) Rating: * : 4 based on 3 vote* *Kamal Mohammad http://www.indianexpress.com/columnist/kamalmohammad/*Posted: Oct 06, 2008 at 0011 hrs IST http://banners.expressindia.com/adsnew/adclick.php?bannerid=3445zoneid=690source=dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.shaadi.com%2Fregistration%2Fuser%2Findex.php%3Fptnr%3Die300x250 Kamal Mohammad * * They don't know it, but they are doing it: the most elementary definition of Ideology from Marx's Capital. He describes a situation in which acts are committed in society without knowing the inherent meaning of the Ideology that precipitated them. Here the concept of ideology implies the misrecognition of its own presuppositions, a divergence/contradiction between social reality and our distorted representation, our false or mistaken consciousness of that reality. Eventually this becomes society's naïve consciousness. A Wednesday is a film like that, embedded in misrecognition. A film which is unknowingly dangerous but surprisingly well-appreciated all over. It was celebrated as a patriotic, serious non-Bollywood drama with a sense of realism by some of India's most well-known film critics. The film was applauded with four stars for its strong depiction of a stupid common man who takes up Terror http://www.indianexpress.com/special/terror,%20world/in his hands — as the film's screenplay describes it. Viewers were led to the theatres by playing on their prejudices, on false nationalism, under titles saying It has got the power and The movie of cult status. One is forced to suppose that here, as well, the critics were writing without understanding or appreciating the ideology of the film — the validation of random bomb blastshttp://www.indianexpress.com/fullcoverage/Blasts-hit-Delhi/108/for a cause. What does A Wednesday speak of, knowingly or unknowingly? An anonymous self-styled common man, played by Naseeruddin Shah, calls up Mumbai's police commissioner saying that he has planted bombs in various parts of the city. He demands the release of four terrorists, making the police get the terrorists to a particular place. The police later realise that the man wanted to kill all the terrorists using the same bomb they had used for their ideological war. The man kills the terrorists and he forces the police to conduct a fake encounter to kill the last man in the group. At the end of the film, the police commissioner goes and meets the man to congratulate him for this act. Twice the police commissioner asks the name of the man behind this individual terror plot. The first time the man himself hides it; the second time the police commissioner hides it from the viewers. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Lehman Bros head took home $300m
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7655178.stm Lehman Bros head took home $300m *The head of failed US investment bank Lehman Brothers has told Congress that he took home about $300m in compensation over the past eight years. * Richard Fuld, whose firm went bankrupt last month, made the statement during testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The panel is holding its first hearing into the cause of the financial crisis. It is being held amid renewed market turmoil, with shares plummeting further in Europe and the US. Committee chairman Henry Waxman opened the hearing by saying the credit freeze threatened the entire economy. To restore our economy to health, two steps are necessary, he said. First, we must identify what went wrong. Then we must enact real reform of our financial markets. *'Feeling horrible' * Turning to Mr Fuld, Mr Waxman asked whether it was true he had received $480m (£276.2m) in pay and bonuses since 2000 - and whether this figure was fair. Mr Fuld replied that the correct total was about $300m (£172.6m). We had a compensation committee that spent a tremendous amount of time making sure that the interests of the executives and the employees were aligned with shareholders, he said. Mr Waxman also criticised Mr Fuld for requesting multi-million dollar bonuses for departing executives just days before last month's collapse. In other words, he added, even as Mr Fuld was pleading with [Treasure] Secretary [Henry] Paulson for a federal rescue, Lehman continued to squander millions on executive compensation. Mr Fuld said he took full responsibility for the decisions that I made and for the actions that I took and defended his actions as prudent and appropriate based on information he had at the time. I feel horrible about what happened, he added. Lehman's failure set off a financial panic which prompted a $700bn rescue package approved by Congress last week. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] US superpower status is shaken
of events like the failures in Iraq, the difficulties in Afghanistan, the thumbing of its nose by Russia in Georgia and elsewhere, all these lead to a sense of an end of an era. *The longer term* Dr Niblett argues that we should wait a bit before coming to a judgment and that structurally the United States is still strong. [image: US troops touch hands before a patrol near northern Iraqi city of Tikrit on 11 September 2008] America has been stretched by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan America is still immensely attractive to skilled immigrants and is still capable of producing a Microsoft or a Google, he went on. Even its debt can be overcome. It has enormous resilience economically at a local and entrepreneurial level. And one must ask, decline relative to who? China is in a desperate race for growth to feed its population and avert unrest in 15 to 20 years. Russia is not exactly a paper tiger but it is stretching its own limits with a new strategy built on a flimsy base. India has huge internal contradictions. Europe has usually proved unable to jump out of the doldrums as dynamically as the US. But the US must regain its financial footing and the extent to which it does so will also determine its military capacity. If it has less money, it will have fewer forces. With the US presidential election looming, it will be worth returning to this subject in a year's time to see how the world, and the American place in it, looks then. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi
I would also like to take a look, if you have no problems sharing it before it gets published 2008/10/7 ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] if u have no problem sharing before it gets publshed, I am interested in it.. in fact i used to follow ur writings and found it really valuable. would like to read ur recent work. regards On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM, devika Jayakumari [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Dear Ranju No, textualising Gandhi critically is not reading Gandhi as 'ideology' at all. The former is a more complicated exercise which involves deconstructing Gandhi to reveal the instability at the heart of this edifice with its semblence of stability. But I'm more interested in historicising Gandhi's political techniques -- which I believe will reveal a number of borrowing and redeployment to savarna ends. I think this should be an ongoing exercise, and the Ambedkarite moment is a crucial historical beginning which we should carry on, and if it was never discussed in the seminar, it is not only unpardonable but outright bizarre. That's why I do think the people in chengara are engaged in precisely 'anti-Gandhian satyagraha'. In some of my recent work, I've tried to show how the 'welfarist resolution of the caste question' in Kerala was almost the exact replica of the Gandhian resolution, not just in political positions but even in techniques. This is something the CPM can't stomach, though it is part of their history. I can share this writing with anyone who'dbe interested to read it; it is yet to be published. Would love to get your feedback on it. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Calicut university union .....mark corruption issues in calicut university.
Is not that the dilemna that Vinod has been trying to share with us? Or maybe I missed something? I, for one have no clue 2008/10/7 haynes davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] appo ini enthu cheyyum...courtil pokaanum pattilla. congressu kaarodum manoramayodum paranjittum karyamilla... idathanmaaraanenkil themmaadikal... appo ini enthu cheyyum... mukhyamantriyodu paranjaalo 2008/10/7 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vellarikayala... Nalla mootha vellarikkayanu..Kerala Model Vellarikka.. Do you sincerely going to Court and follow it up is easy? I completely agree with Vinod about the conditions and even isloation to be faced by the cocnerned families. May be haynes is new to Green youth. Many real life stories have been reported in Green youth and elsewhere before. 2008/10/7 haynes davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] കേരളം അത്റ വലിയ വെള്ളരിക്കാപ്പട്ടണം ആയെന്നു വിശ്വസിക്കുന്നില്ല On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:50 AM, gk31.vinod gk31.vinod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mr. Haynes, You have asked the question, that anybody can ask. Can you assure social protection to these students and their families? You know, there are different social layers in kerala, as remanants of history? You know, many of them are still lacking enough social contacts, so as to handle issues, even if they are on the 'right' side? Please think once again, before using idioms like 'gotocourt' etc Regards, GKV On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:45 AM, haynes davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: why dont you approach court with all of your valid evidences what is your real aim... ' provocating these DYFI/SFI activists.. shorttempered 'MARXIST' group, or Calicut_University_Employees_Unionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calicut_University_Employees_Union'... On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:35 AM, gk31.vinod gk31.vinod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Haynes, We are not trying to make us or you a fool... We had done all ways of provocating these DYFI/SFI activists against us on this issue. Shockingly, till today they have shown the unexplainable patience to us, with all others wondering why this otherwise shorttempered 'MARXIST' group, who believes in 'force for change' , is keeping silence ? The URL link we added to wikipedia article was edited and removed by the program. We regularly updates known SFI leaders on such activities, but till today nobody either from general categories or from scheduled castes, has questioned us on this. Regards, GKV On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:19 AM, haynes davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: dont be a fool.dont think all others are fools..please stop this nonsense On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:19 AM, gk31.vinod gk31.vinod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please visit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calicut_University_Employees_Union http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPI(Mhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPI%28M ) Regards, GKV -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] US treasury takes the Nogerian Scamster route - Hilarious
this forward I thought needs to be shared *Urgent Request * *From Republic Of America For Business Relationship (Confidential!)* *Kevin Allman posts over at blogofneworleans.com* * http://blogofneworleans.com/blog/2008/09/23/urgent-request-from-republic-of-america-for-business-relationship-confidential/ * Dear American, My Dear Friend: I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America. I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude. My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you. I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a citizen, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transaction is 100% safe. This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance. My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred. Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction. After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds. Do not discuss this message with anyone! Time is of the essence! Yours Faithfully. Minister of Treasury Hank Paulson -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [invitesplus] Whose brakes failed? - Prem Shankar Jha
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[GreenYouth] Timeout -Google’s Mail Goggles Preven ts Drunk Emailing
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/10/googles-mail-go.html Google's Mail Goggles Prevents Drunk Emailing By Chris Snyder [image: Email][EMAIL PROTECTED]October 07, 2008 | 8:44:44 AMCategories: Googlehttp://blog.wired.com/business/google/index.html [image: 081007_mail_goggles]http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/07/081007_mail_goggles.jpg Google released a useful new Gmail featurehttp://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-in-labs-stop-sending-mail-you-later.htmlyesterday in its labs, which could help prevent the intoxicated from sending embarrassing late-night emails they might regret in the morning. When activated, the program will force a user to solve a series of math problems before allowing any message to be sent. They are not terribly difficult, but do serve as an extra line of defense in what can be a very dangerous habit. The service is set by default to kick in only on weekend nights, but you can change the settings to apply whenever. As for drunk dialing and texting, you're still on your own. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Media, Muslims and Mujahideen
. The journalist in me has a problem when a TV correspondent spits out the intelligence feed that there was a meeting of SIMI in 2001 where 200 youth were recruited to wreak havoc across India. What was our intelligence agency doing for the last 8 years? Muslim accused are being branded as terrorists before the proper investigation and filing of the chargesheet. The actual trial by a court of law is yet to begin but the trial by media has already passed its judgement. Sample this: Mohammed Saif, the terrorist (emphasis added) who was arrested after Friday's encounter, even possessed a fake voter card. (TOI, September 21, page 1, Delhi edition) Isn't it a perfect example of Judgemental journalism? Meanwhile Muslims live under siege and fear. State, said Mahatma Gandhi, is nothing but organized violence. Friday's encounter of Jamia Nagar in Delhi raises some disturbing questions. Local Muslims have termed it as dubious. They have reasons to believe so. As a Delhi friend put it, No one saw cross firing yesterday. Only the police claim it happened. Did you read in any report that anyone actually saw cross-firing? She added, How come the two so-called terrorists managed to flee? There was only one exit. She asked, If they knew they were going for a possible encounter, why wasn't the building or the area properly covered by the police? Her conclusion was chilling and disturbed me: But the point is that they can kill anyone anywhere. Tomorrow my brother might be the target and on flimsiest of grounds with no chance of proving the innocence. You are guilty just because they say so. It makes me bloody angry. Indian Muslims live with fear, security, discrimination and terror tag. A bunch of the so-called 'Muslims' have hijacked their Faith. I detest when somebody says those who planted the bombs were Muslims. Indian Mujahideen, a faceless body, has launched a faceless jihad for the sake of Indian Muslims. A true jihad can never be faceless. If one peers through Islamic history, he will come to know that a jihad is a battle which is fought under the banner of recognition and not anonymity. I see a problem when a country of more than one billion people can't arrest a loose bunch of murderers who want to convert India into a slaughterhouse. Indian intelligence agencies have some much input yet they produce zero output. India's 160 million Muslims have a problem: fear. And nobody is willing to even listen to them. They are the in-betweens of India's fight against terrorism. They want to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. India needs to integrate them. A Muslim friend put it bluntly, Rabindranath Tagore's poem 'Where the mind is without fear' no longer adorns my wall. Posted by collective at October 07, 2008 10:24 AM -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] eye-witness account of Malegaon
is praying lest her son becomes a suspect. Things will never be the same in this forsaken corner of Maharashtra but this much is certain: Indian Muslims will not allow India to become another Pakistan.-- Mubasshir Mushtaq Blog: www.mubasshir.blogspot.com -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Azamgarh: District in discomfort
, an alarming minority bashing and stereotyping is taking place. However, things are slowly changing for the better and that is providing a flicker of hope. Jamia Millia Islamia Vice-Chancellor Mushirul Hasan's decision to provide legal aid to two university students picked up by the Delhi police was, perhaps, the first step. Dr Hasan also took the initiative to hold a counseling session for the traumatised students from the districts living in New Delhi's Jamia Nagar. Samajwadi Party President Mulayam Singh Yadav urging the media not to brand the entire district as terrorist has worked like balm for the wounded souls of the people of the district. Some may have strayed but why malign every single person from the district?, said Yadav. And now the National Human Rights Commission's notice to Delhi police raising questions regarding the Batla House encounter has provided some solace to the people. They hope that in the coming days Azamgarh would substantially reclaim its lost reputation. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Kovalam Literary Festival
Damodar Cannot resist the temptation to respond I enjoyed your post on the food and the drinks and the general ambience However, perhaps you judge the Indo-Anglian literary traditions a bit too harshly. Of course the condescension of the indian english literati was summed up in the controversial piece written by Rushdie in the New Yorker around a decade back - this is rooted in the politics and economy of the publishing industry, particularly in English. However Amitav Ghosh (I am a huge fan of his) is not the only rooted literature - there are other names, famous and not so famous who are equally rooted starting from Arundhati Roy to Rohinton Mistry to Vinod George Joseph. I have a strong feeling that the imagination of Indian writing in English is changing rapidly (it might also be hope on my part) Well, you did get your white mischief Warmly 2008/10/9 damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. Yesterday I was invited to attend the dinner hosted by penguin as part of the Kovalam Literary Festival. Dileep, representative of Penguin had also invited respected journalists, writers and academics. It was an interesting mid-late night (!!) not because of the contents' of the dinner but because of the 'discontent humorous session enabled by writer Zacharia, Neelan, Gouri, Bhattu, Priyan, Dileep , hashim, Tomy et.al. 2. First things first: *Insipid food, horrendous drinks and dreadful literati crowd*. (May be they share same opinion about our company). Honestly, the whole ambiance for a moment was enlivened by Neelan's song. Though Mr.Bhattu was trying best to spoil with his voice modulations. On drinks, I have had tasted such a horrible red wine. And Dileep had tempted with me that cocktails would be available. But to utter dismay, what we were offered was white mischief and BP gold. And the hotel belongs to * ( the sign can be interpreted as stars or anything one wish to read) category. 3. The *inferiority* of foods was more deepened because the foods were *complexl*y named. 4. Sunil Shethi, the NDTV M. krishnan Nair ( after all, our late krishnan nair had his own strange value judgments) was walking here and there without any aims in particular as true as his book reviews. But the navigation was very much sophisticated as his, perhaps, doon school English. The Literati, most of them new authors of fiction in Indian writing in English were sitting here and there and I am sure was not talking anything serious. 5. Jokes apart, what is the meaning of this Kovalam Literary Festival. What does it represent? Has it got any significance other than a organizing motley crowed of a small time authors who live their literary life with some exported craft of story telling (not organic) or through some network relations like relation with editors and literary agents. 6. I remember Zakaria writing very critically and sharply to Rushdie's introduction of Vintage book of Indian writing at least a decade ago. A decade has passed since but much of the prevalent notions on Indian writing does not have changed. Since Sathchi mash assumed charge as the editor of Indian Literature and later Secretary of Sahithya Akademi and even now with the new editor as well, the readers are enabled a different and comprehensive vision of Indian Imagination. But the Indian Imagination of Indian English writing has not changed much. 7. To compare Indian writing in english to regional writing would be vulgar, still I would say that many original writings and representation of different and distinct voices, marginalized writings have not happened in what is globally sold as Indian writing. 8. This is not an new view. But what I am talking about is the persistence of old views in a context when MNCs are coming to regional publishing and our writers are just invitees for such occassions. Perhaps, it is Empire Sells Back!! 9. The Sunil Sethis of this world are majorly limited by event managed Hazaar Fundoos of Indian Parochialism. Because so called celebrated authors from jisharee mishara , sobha de, Indra Sinha, and young Meenakshi reddyrepresents a parochial world of what can be problematically called as Indian writing. I am excluding Amitav Ghosh for his deeper enagagement with hard powers of Indian histories and regional identities. All authors including Naipaul ( except authors like A.Ghosh) are all distinct for what cane be considered as ignorance of the subcontinent history and politics. 10. They are all chumma novelists. Nothing insightful!!! PS: Some of us were looking for satchi mash but was not seen anywhere and the loss is his, I suppose. After two days of session with Indian English authors he missed an occasion to enjoy mallu male fun. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group
[GreenYouth] Time Out - Gilette ad as news
On a lighter vein, I would love to know Vijay Mallya's views on this http://thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=3365mod=1pg=1sectionId=19valid=true Ads disguised as news? *If you thought this was a subtle and tasteless campaign for selling more blades, worse was waiting to come. * K S SUDEEP says he found the manufactured news about Gillette blades galling. Posted Thursday, Oct 09 10:52:16, 2008 We live in a time when we are fed ads disguised as news. We have got quite used to it over last four or five years, and many of us have even developed a skill to tell an ad from a news byte. Even so some ads offend with their gall. This time it was Gillete. On September 17, 2008 *HT City* carried a survey report that 91% of Delhi women were turned off by unshaven men, 82 percent of Delhi men are clean-shaven (I refuse to buy that), and across the metros most women found clean-shaven men more kissable. It went on to add that 47% of the respondents thought clean shaven men are more likely to become millionaires (what if 53% thought otherwise), 47% thought mistakes are overlooked if they are made by clean-shaven men, and 50% think that your Visa application will be rejected if you have a stubbled look. The survey was conducted by -- no marks for guessing -- Gillette India. The survey also gave details of how women liked their favourite stars -- Hritik Roshan, John Abraham, Abhiskek Bachchan and SRK among others -- whether clean-shaven, stubbled or full-bearded. If you thought this was a subtle and tasteless campaign for selling more blades, worse was waiting to come. Audio ads on Delhi FM stations said, Bankers are more likely to reject your loan application if you have a stubble. Since there is no such thing as 'news' on most private FM channels, this had to be a commercial. The rest of the ad was essentially Buy Gillette Mach 3 and shave off that stubble or something like that. This series of ads seem to be taking us back in time in more ways than one. This is not about being better than your competitor. Somewhere, these ads give me an impression that people don't know there is something called razors. One senses a throwback to the don't stay dirty, get Pears kind of advertisements. (Note that this one can not be compared to advertisements like that of Nokia Navigator phones, as it is not the case that a company is introducing shaving blades in the market for the first time.) Two, they are plain racist. Do the creators of this campaign really think it is hip to boast about cultural biases like mistakes being overlooked if you are clean-shaven and all that? If they really do, I think they need to take a lesson from another series of ads in town. I am not fair but I am lovely -- I am not yesterday -- say hoardings that carry an image of a beautiful dark model. Is it true that women make bad drivers? Ask Sunita Williams, goes another ad on air. Advertising *Mail Today* newspaper, of India Today group. Two days later, *Delhi Times* showed us clean shaven make-overs of Milind Soman and Kunal Kapoor. The news, of the launch of 'Gillette Mach 3 Turbo' in New Delhi, went like this: It was part of their macho appeal -- Milind Soman's rugged beard and wild, long locks, and Kunal Kapoor's urbane but sexy stubble. But the two hunks have recently shaved off their stubble and chosen to go for the smooth, clean look. What made them do it was Gillette Mach 3 Turbo. The actors, however, had a different story to tell. They did not quite owe up to the 'stubbles are for losers' campaign. They refused to disown the stubbled or bearded looks that they were in for quite some time now. I've never had any problem playing with my looks. We're actors, and need to meet the demands of different characters. And with Gillette, the best thing is it doesn't scratch your skin. When I decided to go for a makeover, it's the only one I could think of, says Kunal. Milind said, I don't know if women like men clean-shaven or with a stubble, but one thing is for sure -- a guy has to be confident about his looks. Thank god, it is not the end of the world. Even as Gillette is doing its bit to kill the confidence of the sexy stubbled men. *Postscript:* And one wonders how much of that manufactured news in the city supplements was paid for. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE.
Dear Gouri Thats precisely why Praveen Swami is dangerous, because he comes across polished and rounded. The fellow needs to be exposed. Dear Venu He is one of my personal blacklists as well. I usually ignore the kinds of him wherever they may appear, but this was in a context that one was forced to read this miscreant!!! Warmly 2008/10/9 venukm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Parveen Swamy has been around for quite some time with such theories on the intellectual communities' irresponsible sympathy with terror suspects and too much of demands for legal methods of combating terrorism on the part of State. I have learned to save time by not reading such stuff, whether it appears in the Hindu , EPW or wherever. Hope the same will be good for others too,if you please. On 9 Oct, 14:02, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading praveen swamy, I think he is/has been specially corresponding for IB. A classic case of embeddedness!! How and why should a journalist treat IB as a definite source without any cross-checking or double checking!! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM, ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: praveen swamy has been constantly engaged in demonising muslims via his propaganda stories. he seems to be the man in The Hindu to plant stories against muslim Other. so pathetic !! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Gouri Patwardhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what do you say about the article Bobby? Its such a smooth story.perfectly detailed,rounded. Only in the end it makes a plea that the Indian state does something to change minds of these mis guided youth and bring them on the path of democracy :) On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thehoot.org carried a piece today on Praveen Swami's article, I thought it might be useful to post it in this thread http://thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=3364pg=1mod=1section. .. Was he there? Posted Wednesday, Oct 08 23:52:28, 2008 The Hindu (Oct 4) carries an edit page article by Praveen Swami, titled 'Mapping the Indian Mujahideen'. It presents every minute detail on Indian Mujahideen, its 'top operative' Atif Amin and how the whole thing works. (The first sentence reads, Eight days before he was shot dead, top Indian Mujahideen (IM) operative Atif Amin helped to draft the manifesto that the terror group was to issue…) According to whom? There is no attribution of any kind. 2008/10/8 ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear all, i think there is a need to go beyond this. this may not be the first and last case. there s a need to form a group or cell to assist, guide and provide professional legal aid to all such people who are being harassed in the name of caste, gender or religion. and what not. professional legal help seems to be the need of the hour. As we dont know how to deal with such a situation legally. A Citizen Legal Cell shall be thought abt for the future. any one with legal backgroud can help us in this contxt. Bobby can perhaps guide us in seeking such a possiblity. in solidarity On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM, venukm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jenny, for sharing this piece. Even while we make many of our planned schedules upset and erratic, perhaps many of us cannot do without this kind of sharing.. Love, Venu. On 7 Oct, 17:27, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tehelka, Oct 11, 2008 *ALIENATED GENERATION* Nobody dare question our commitment to education and the Indian Constitution *by Mushirul Hasan* THE EXTENT to which our society is getting polarised along religious lines is very disturbing. If this is the state of affairs almost seven decades after independence, what might happen a few decades later? This is not the time to attribute responsibility to different parties or communities. This is a moment of self-reflection; of trying to find out what gives rise to this mindless violence. The other very disquieting fact is how the electronic media and sections of the Hindi print media have taken upon themselves the responsibility of being the custodian of the nation's interest. The arrogance and intolerance in their coverage reflects a very ominous trend in the history of journalism. I have experienced this recently. The Jamia incident is not a big affair, it could have been easily sorted out, but it was turned into a campaign against a university. Our doors are open to non-Muslims; our teachers are drawn from all communities. Compare our record with that of other so-called secular universities where Muslims have limited access — Benaras Hindu University, Allahabad University, Delhi University itself — then what are we
[GreenYouth] Re: Muslim and religious images
Thats a complex question (I hope it is not mischievous) Islam are not the only religion that prohibits idol-worship (there are forms of Islam though that have some forms of idolatry), it is rooted in the history of all semitic religious forms from Judaism to Christianity to Islam to Bahaaism. The history is rather tedious and an e-mail is rather a fairly short space to expound that theology The comparison cannot be with hinduism (or are u talking about brahminism) - even in which case there are non-idolatrous forms of it. Most of it is rooted in cultural practices. 2008/10/9 sreenivas v.p [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why muslims had forbidden religious images ? Is it because they realized that picture is a form of art and should not be worshipped or is it because of religious influences ? Is the Hindu system of adoring pictures of gods and godesses a right thing in the aesthetic perspective ? A Hindu may worship a less beautiful picture than a more beautiful one because of religious influences . Any thoughts on this ? regards Sreenivas Bangalore -- Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. http://in.rd.yahoo.com/tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Is Our Country Inching Toward Fascism? TERRORISM, POLICE AND MINORITIES (Article by Asghar Ali Engineer - fwded from Secular Perspective Oct 1-15)
to carry out terror attacks despite total lack of any proof. After arrest it manages to obtain 'confession' from them and gives out story of having cracked the case. It is well known how this confession is obtained. What is more unfortunate is that the media publishes these stories uncritically and describes these boys as 'dreaded terrorists' and masterminds. The police changes after every explosion the names of masterminds and even then the media – both print as well as electronic – does not question the police version. Some human rights activists or the Tehelka team has done splendid work in exposing serious flaws in the police claim. Why this police approach? One obvious reason is its natural assumption, due mainly to its communalization, that no one else but Muslim boys belonging to SIMI who have also assumed the name of IM can do it. Despite lack of any proof except self 'confession' they do not change their track. Many Bajrang Dal youth were caught making bombs but police downplays these explosions and completely ignores any possibility of their role. Secondly police, apart from being infected by communal violence, is under pressure to 'solve' the case as any delay exposes it to not being able to do its work efficiently. Thirdly, it has found easy way out to arrest some innocent youth, obtain their confession, and claim they have 'solved' the case. Thus they are also able to satisfy their political bosses under pressure from public to solve the case and stop further terror attacks. Such casual and communal approach on the part of police has serious consequences for the country. After every police claim that it has caught the mastermind further terror attacks take place as if to ridicule their claim. Thus it is resulting in continuous terror attacks. In no time after Batla House 'encounter' wherein police claimed that it has nabbed the masterminds of Delhi blast and even killed them another blast took place on 27th September in which one boy of 12 years was killed on the spot and another killed later in the hospital and several persons seriously injured. Unless police sheds its communal bias and does hard work through collecting credible evidence terror attacks cannot be stopped. However, no one, much less the media, is prepared to buy the theory that police is lacking in its duty. In every blast several innocent people are killed. The Governments, state as well central, are failing to provide protection to its people. How many more will be killed in such blasts? The BJP, on the other hand, is further communalizing the situation in the hope of getting more Hindu votes by demanding enactment of POTA or POTA like law to nab the terrorists. It was BJP which had enacted dreaded law and despite POTA several major terrorist attacks including one on Parliament took place. More terrorist attacks will give more advantage to the BJP in coming elections. Should this dimension also not be taken into account for these repeated attacks despite claim that real masterminds have been arrested? The police approach is also creating anguish and anger among Muslims. In several meetings with important Muslim leaders and intellectuals that we held in different towns and cities, they said what is the guarantee that my son's turn will not come tomorrow? Today they are feeling quite alienated and isolated and it is not healthy for a multi-religious country like India to alienate the largest religious minority to such an extent. The Sangh Parivar has seriously damaged the secular character of our country. It has completely destroyed its secular character and its age-old tradition of tolerance and human values for its lust for power and for making India Hindu Rashtra. Now the Christian minority is under similar attack, Christians who have contributed so richly to modern India. Christians are also anguished today like never before. It is highly regrettable that our Prime Minister described these attacks on Christians as 'sporadic' during his trip abroad. He also described these attacks as 'shameful', which is more honest description. Remember Mr. A.B.Vajpayee, the then Prime Minister, had said after Gujarat riots of 2002 what face will I show abroad? And now Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has to face embarrassing situation in France. Then why does he not act firmly against communal forces? Why is he so soft towards the Sangh Parivar. Why does he not ban Bajrang Dal and VHP for attacking Christians in Orissa (Kandhmal district) and in Karnataka? The role of police has been no different in Orissa and Karnataka. Its sympathies were obviously with Sangh Parivar when Christians were being attacked. Is not our country inching towards fascism? -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Troops Deployed On U.S. Streets
killed in Iraq formerly resided.] Given the danger do you advocate impeachment? Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to disobey these orders? Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any illegal order, even from the President. But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander in Chief,' what happens to the military? Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be considered a coup. But it's a coup already. Yes. *Naomi Wolf* is the author of *Give Me Libertyhttp://www.amazon.com/Give-Me-Liberty-Handbook-Revolutionaries/dp/1416590560/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1223476716sr=8-1 * (Simon and Schuster, 2008), the sequel to the New York Times best-seller *The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot http://www.amazon.com/End-America-Letter-Warning-Patriot/dp/1933392797/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1223476716sr=8-2 *(Chelsea Green, 2007). *~~ Ours is a battle not for wealth or for power. It is a battle for freedom. It is a battle for the reclamation of human personality. - Dr BR Ambedkar ~~* -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE.
Praveen Swami shoots off his mouth again. The latest opinion piece by this self-styled expert on terrorism is available on today's Hindu. The way he goes on about the Jamia encounter is as if its an eye-witness encounter. He sounds more like a spokesperson for the Police than a journalist. While talking about terrorists, he drops the usual and basic journalistic courtesies like alleged, accused etc and has already passed judgement. Its interesting how he has turned the tables on criticisms against the media for their coverage of the episode, in one stroke negating and rubbishing a range of acftors from the Delhi Union of Journalists to the Jamia Teachers Union to the three senior congress leaders who met the PM alarmed at the way the encounter was staged and have been urging for an inquiry. He starts with a Lewis Caroll quote that best fits his own article. I am sufferring from a bad flu and cold or I would have attempted a more systematic rebuttal of his piece for a wider audience (which is not difficul givent the shoddiness that has gone into this piece). I hope someone does it soon I hope friends from the Hindu in this forum need to tell this bloke to go do a refresher course in Journalism or on the other hand join the VHP as their spokesperson 2008/10/9 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Gouri Thats precisely why Praveen Swami is dangerous, because he comes across polished and rounded. The fellow needs to be exposed. Dear Venu He is one of my personal blacklists as well. I usually ignore the kinds of him wherever they may appear, but this was in a context that one was forced to read this miscreant!!! Warmly 2008/10/9 venukm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Parveen Swamy has been around for quite some time with such theories on the intellectual communities' irresponsible sympathy with terror suspects and too much of demands for legal methods of combating terrorism on the part of State. I have learned to save time by not reading such stuff, whether it appears in the Hindu , EPW or wherever. Hope the same will be good for others too,if you please. On 9 Oct, 14:02, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading praveen swamy, I think he is/has been specially corresponding for IB. A classic case of embeddedness!! How and why should a journalist treat IB as a definite source without any cross-checking or double checking!! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM, ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: praveen swamy has been constantly engaged in demonising muslims via his propaganda stories. he seems to be the man in The Hindu to plant stories against muslim Other. so pathetic !! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Gouri Patwardhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what do you say about the article Bobby? Its such a smooth story.perfectly detailed,rounded. Only in the end it makes a plea that the Indian state does something to change minds of these mis guided youth and bring them on the path of democracy :) On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thehoot.org carried a piece today on Praveen Swami's article, I thought it might be useful to post it in this thread http://thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=3364pg=1mod=1section... Was he there? Posted Wednesday, Oct 08 23:52:28, 2008 The Hindu (Oct 4) carries an edit page article by Praveen Swami, titled 'Mapping the Indian Mujahideen'. It presents every minute detail on Indian Mujahideen, its 'top operative' Atif Amin and how the whole thing works. (The first sentence reads, Eight days before he was shot dead, top Indian Mujahideen (IM) operative Atif Amin helped to draft the manifesto that the terror group was to issue…) According to whom? There is no attribution of any kind. 2008/10/8 ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear all, i think there is a need to go beyond this. this may not be the first and last case. there s a need to form a group or cell to assist, guide and provide professional legal aid to all such people who are being harassed in the name of caste, gender or religion. and what not. professional legal help seems to be the need of the hour. As we dont know how to deal with such a situation legally. A Citizen Legal Cell shall be thought abt for the future. any one with legal backgroud can help us in this contxt. Bobby can perhaps guide us in seeking such a possiblity. in solidarity On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM, venukm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Jenny, for sharing this piece. Even while we make many of our planned schedules upset and erratic, perhaps many of us cannot do without this kind of sharing.. Love, Venu. On 7 Oct, 17:27, jenny rowena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tehelka, Oct 11, 2008 *ALIENATED GENERATION* Nobody dare question our commitment to education
[GreenYouth] Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE.
Thats a good one that the *Tuhfatul Mujahideen *is the bible for SIMI Well, so much for expertise 2008/10/10 shinaj ps [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have been following this RAW paid journalist for sometime, it is interesting to see that he was a senior fellow at United States Institute of Peace, US congress funded institute for conducting studies on jihad in one of his article appeared in hindu (2or 3 months back), he was describing how the SIMI activist are inspired by the book Tuhfatul Mujahideen written by Zainudeen Makdoom. it is the only available material on the struggle against Portugeese in Malabar written in Arabic; unfortunately carried the most hated word Mujahideen in its tittle Shinaj 2008/10/10 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Praveen Swami shoots off his mouth again. The latest opinion piece by this self-styled expert on terrorism is available on today's Hindu. The way he goes on about the Jamia encounter is as if its an eye-witness encounter. He sounds more like a spokesperson for the Police than a journalist. While talking about terrorists, he drops the usual and basic journalistic courtesies like alleged, accused etc and has already passed judgement. Its interesting how he has turned the tables on criticisms against the media for their coverage of the episode, in one stroke negating and rubbishing a range of acftors from the Delhi Union of Journalists to the Jamia Teachers Union to the three senior congress leaders who met the PM alarmed at the way the encounter was staged and have been urging for an inquiry. He starts with a Lewis Caroll quote that best fits his own article. I am sufferring from a bad flu and cold or I would have attempted a more systematic rebuttal of his piece for a wider audience (which is not difficul givent the shoddiness that has gone into this piece). I hope someone does it soon I hope friends from the Hindu in this forum need to tell this bloke to go do a refresher course in Journalism or on the other hand join the VHP as their spokesperson 2008/10/9 Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Gouri Thats precisely why Praveen Swami is dangerous, because he comes across polished and rounded. The fellow needs to be exposed. Dear Venu He is one of my personal blacklists as well. I usually ignore the kinds of him wherever they may appear, but this was in a context that one was forced to read this miscreant!!! Warmly 2008/10/9 venukm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Parveen Swamy has been around for quite some time with such theories on the intellectual communities' irresponsible sympathy with terror suspects and too much of demands for legal methods of combating terrorism on the part of State. I have learned to save time by not reading such stuff, whether it appears in the Hindu , EPW or wherever. Hope the same will be good for others too,if you please. On 9 Oct, 14:02, damodar prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading praveen swamy, I think he is/has been specially corresponding for IB. A classic case of embeddedness!! How and why should a journalist treat IB as a definite source without any cross-checking or double checking!! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM, ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: praveen swamy has been constantly engaged in demonising muslims via his propaganda stories. he seems to be the man in The Hindu to plant stories against muslim Other. so pathetic !! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Gouri Patwardhan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what do you say about the article Bobby? Its such a smooth story.perfectly detailed,rounded. Only in the end it makes a plea that the Indian state does something to change minds of these mis guided youth and bring them on the path of democracy :) On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thehoot.org carried a piece today on Praveen Swami's article, I thought it might be useful to post it in this thread http://thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=3364pg=1mod=1section. .. Was he there? Posted Wednesday, Oct 08 23:52:28, 2008 The Hindu (Oct 4) carries an edit page article by Praveen Swami, titled 'Mapping the Indian Mujahideen'. It presents every minute detail on Indian Mujahideen, its 'top operative' Atif Amin and how the whole thing works. (The first sentence reads, Eight days before he was shot dead, top Indian Mujahideen (IM) operative Atif Amin helped to draft the manifesto that the terror group was to issue…) According to whom? There is no attribution of any kind. 2008/10/8 ranju radha [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear all, i think there is a need to go beyond this. this may not be the first and last case. there s a need to form a group or cell to assist, guide and provide professional legal aid to all such people who are being harassed in the name of caste, gender or religion
[GreenYouth] Fwd: NATIONAL CONVENTION AGAINST FASCISM-DELHI-OCTOBER 25,26,2008
Please excuse cross-posting, but this is important. Begin forwarded message: *From: *anhad bihar [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Date: * October 9 2008 12:25:50 PM GMT+05:30 *To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject: **NATIONAL CONVENTION AGAINST FASCISM-DELHI-OCTOBER 25,26,2008* *NATIONAL CONVENTION AGAINST FASCISM* *OCTOBER 25-26, 2008* *NEW DELHI * Dear Friends, The urgency to intervene in defense of democracy, secularism and justice has never been more pressing than in the conditions prevailing in the country today. There is a recognizable change in the general tenor of public discourse; unlike in the past, it is informed more by the communal than by secular ethos. Concerted attacks have been mounted across India by communal fascist organizations by invoking religious symbols and sentiments. There is total apathy and indecisiveness towards confronting this challenge by those in power. RSS and organizations under its umbrella have mounted a vicious campaign against the Christian community across India. Over 10 states have seen violent attacks on the Christian community , their institutions, religious places, property and businesses during the past one month. The culprits behind the communal violence against Christians in Orissa, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh and other states are being allowed to go scot-free. The recent attacks on Christian religious institutions are in fact openly claimed by Hindutva terrorist groups, like the Bajrang Dal, in front of television news cameras and yet no action is taken against them. Throughout the country Muslim youth are being targeted, without any or little evidence, as responsible for terrorist attacks. There is a concerted attempt by the Indian police, sections of the media and certain political parties to portray all members of the Muslim community as 'terrorists and extremists' - to be arbitrarily arrested, tortured and killed in fake encounters. On the other hand hard evidence available against Bajrang Dal and other Sangh outfits about their direct involvement in terror attacks is not only being ignored but actively being pushed under the carpet by the state. The spaces uncolonized by the RSS network are decreasing by the day. The threat from the fascist forces is not only to the survival and dignity of India but to the very idea of India. We feel that there is urgent need to call for a national convention to challenge the forces of fascism. We had sent out sms messages to about 40 organisations to get a response from them about the possibility of organizing a national convention on 25 and 26 October, 2008 in New Delhi. All those who responded felt the need for this convention. *Please respond urgently to this mail:* 1. By endorsing the convention- send the name of your organization/ individual 2. By supporting your own travel and if your organization can support the travel of 5-10 people from your state who are working on these issues. 3. Wherever possible arrange for your own stay in Delhi. Those who can't inform us in advance. 4. Groups in Delhi- Help in sponsoring the breakfast/ lunch and dinner for the convention and stay for the outstation participants. 5. Please inform us how many people from your group will participate and whether any/ all of them will require stay arrangements in Delhi. The program for the two days is being finalized . Please send suggestions . We will also inform the venue and the final schedule for the convention as soon as it is finalised after hearing from more groups/ individuals. Shabnam Hashmi ANHAD Tel- 23070740/ 23070722 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those groups who responded the sms message and have already endorsed Anhad's call for the convention are: All India Christian Council All India Dalit Mahila Adhikar Manch All India Quami Mahaz Aman Biradari Aman Samudaya ANHAD Antarik Visthapit Hak Rakshak Samiti ASHA Pariwar Awaz e- Niswana Bhartiya Muslim Mahila Andolan Campaign for Judicial Accountability and reforms CSSS Darpana Academy EKTA NCHRO Insaf ISD Janvikas Mahatma Gandhi Foundation National Campaign for Dalit Human Rights Peace People's Research Society PRASHANT Roshan Vikas Sahrwaru Sajhi Duniya Samarpan Sanchetana Sandarbh Urja Ghar Yuv Shakti -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: CHENGARA LAND STRUGGLE
Whats the point you are trying to make? I thought this was a thread on Chengara after you posted an article from a CPM website. It has been discussed fervently in GY. Please refer to the archives. If you have personal problems with people, please discuss it outside the group. Regards 2008/10/11 haynes davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] try to contact this so called pradeep kumar's college or his parents at least this is not for vinod...for others who are interested in this isssue... -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: CHENGARA LAND STRUGGLE
Dear Mr. haynes Most of us know each other only through cyber-space Thats not the point... Why are you mixing up Chengara with CU? The only plausible explanation from your responses that I can read is that you that are trying to defend anything that questions caste hegemony or CPM in a bizarre manner After you go through the archives on Chengara, do post your concerns and we definitely can engage in a debate... I am sure lot of others would also be interested as well Regards 2008/10/11 haynes davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Whats the point you are trying to make? I thought this was a thread on Chengara after you posted an article from a CPM website. It has been discussed fervently in GY. Please refer to the archives. If you have personal problems with people, please discuss it outside the group. Regards i dont know any of you personally. i replied since i felt it had to be replied. verifying an issue does not mean its something personal -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: The Trojan Horses Of Our Demise: Reconnecting To The Moral Sense-( Article by Gary Corseri)
, that came humbly into our living rooms, now fragments the family, holds each member hostage in his/her room. Pop- tarts for dessert. Greed. It's good, Gecko said in Wall Street. Greed for knowledge, wealth, power. How easily we were seduced, judgment suspended. Isn't it hunger for knowledge? And how much wealth do we need, how much power? In Tolstoy's story, How Much Land Does a Man Need?, a peasant is allowed to claim as much land as he can circumambulate in a day. He must return to his starting point by sunset. He starts out measuring his paces, but soon realizes he has tried to cover too much ground. He runs at the end to reach his starting point again; then drops dead from exhaustion. He's buried in a six-foot long grave. How much do we need? Isn't that the moral question? Do we really want a world of billionaires and paupers? Is there no ceiling to our lusts? Must we celebrate these killer-thieves, earth-rapists? We devised a system of checks and balances to rein in political power and the foxes raided the henhouse and stole the golden eggs. We must realize now: we cannot separate political and economic power. We have a moral imperative to make judgments; we evince our humanity according to the judgments we make. What is a fair differential between the average worker and his/her boss? Can we replace bosses with facilitators? If $40,000 a year is average, isn't $400,000 enough? (That's what we pay the president we vote for!) Ignorance, arrogance, violence, greed—we opened the gates, let them into our minds, our hearts, our children's dreams. Is it too late to heed Laocoon? The snakes are coiling around our legs. Gary Corseri has taught in universities and prisons and has posted/ published his work at Countercurrents, The New York Times, Village Voice and hundreds of other venues. He has performed at the Carter Presidential Library, and his dramatic work has been broadcast over PBS-Atlanta. His books include novels and collections of poetry. Contact at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: [invitesplus] 7 crore Indians with mental disorder: Where is the care?
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[GreenYouth] Ecuador: New progressive constitution adopted
, has threatened to use the victory of the No vote in the city to justify non-compliance with the new constitution, the vote is widely seen as a victory for Correa as Guayaquil is the only significant right-wing stronghold in Ecuador. There are indications that the US government is seeking to destabilise Correa by promoting separatist sentiments — as it has in Bolivia. However, the closeness of the Guayaquil vote suggests that Correa's anti-poverty policies have appealed to Guayaquil's enormous poor population and significantly eroded opposition support. Opposition to Correa has also come from other quarters, however. Social movements The new constitution is a product of the nearly two decades of work by the social movements, who, led by the main indigenous federation CONAIE, have been responsible for overthrowing three presidents. Many social movements, however, have criticised the constitution for not going far enough, especially in protecting the environment from mining and oil pollution, and in recognising indigenous communities. The constitution only grants indigenous communities the right to consultation over proposed projects on their land, rather than power of veto they had sought to have included. While this year CONAIE has declared itself to in opposition to Correa, and CONAIE president Marlon Santi has threatened an indigenous uprising over mining activities, the organisation still mobilised its membership to vote Yes, recognising the new constitution as a step forward. Correa has lost other allies, especially from parts of the country's left who believe that his often-radical rhetoric is not genuine. Highland indigenous federation ECUARUNARI, which also campaigned for a Yes vote, has called a meeting to prepare its strategy under the new constitution, which will include proposing draft bills to implement important articles recognising Ecuador's plurinational character. Rather than waiting for the government to act, the people of Ecuador are preparing to open up the next chapter of their history on their own behalf. [Visit http://ecuador-rising.blogspot.com for ongoing news and analysis.] From: International News, Green Left Weekly issue #770http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2008/77015 October 2008. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] American condescension at work
European brothers because we do not want to become Islamized. —Strache, at his final campaign rally in Vienna on September 26. He went on to complain of women in Islamic dress running around like female ninjas. -- Marty Melville/Getty Images New Zealand *General Election, November 2008 * *The offenders:* Third-party New Zealand First leader Winston Peters and some clever hackers *How it will get ugly:* After governing New Zealand since 1999, the Labour Party faces high odds in its attempt to win its fourth consecutive election victory. The center-right National Party has consistently posted double-digit leads in the polls. The prospect of a transfer of power has contributed to an uncharacteristically bitter campaign. Third-party politicians, whose support is usually required to form a governing coalition, have been responsible for much of the campaign's vitriol. Winston Peters has attacked both sides, claiming that the Labour government's free trade agreement with China had gone as sour as the milk in their baby-food products and referring to former investment banker and National Party leader John Key as a greedy merchant banker. New Zealand's true innovation in mudslinging, however, has been electronic. *Worst of the worst:* Thanks to a Google bombing campaign by Labour Party supporters, a Web search on google.co.nz for the word clueless returns John Key's Web site as the top result. National Party supporters retaliated, causing a search for Labour-funded lackeys to turn up a link to a pro-Labour newspaper. -- JChina Photos/Getty Images Taiwan *Presidential Election, March 2008 * *The offenders:* The ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) and the opposition Kuomintang (KMT) *How it got ugly:* Taiwanese campaigning has historically had the feel of a barroom brawl. When then President Chen Shui-bian of the DPP was shot at a campaign rally prior to the previous election, opposition partisans accused him of orchestrating the shooting to drum up sympathy. A week before the 2008 election, the KMT was on guard for a similar stunt, with party chairman Wu Po-hsiung warning that the number of dirty tricks that the DPP may resort to exceeds four or five hundred. Indeed, DPP aides tried to smear KMT presidential candidate Ma Ying-jeou as a mainlander, due to his birth in Hong Kong, and alleged that the Chinese government had arranged for discounted airfare for China-based Taiwanese business executives wanting to return to vote for Ma. A DPP activist also accused Ma's wife of stealing newspapers from Harvard University's library while she was a student there. The smear campaign did not pay off this time, as the KMT went on to regain the presidency in a landslide. *Worst of the worst:* At a DPP rally on March 15, former chief secretary of the Ministry of Education, Chuang Kuo-rong, began ranting that Ma's father had several affairs and had screwed his adopted daughter. * David Kenner is a researcher at FP. * -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: RESPONSE: Fact-finding report on accused in Jaipur Bomb Blast
such innocent person who gets arbitrarily booked. But to come to that conclusion, the team will have to go deeper into the matter. With so many prying eyes and so many unbelieving people, who have been thoroughly indoctrinated to think that whosoever is arrested by the police is a genuine terrorist, it needs some further work before all such loopholes get sealed and the fact is proved beyond reasonable doubt in a completely certain manner, when even the distracters and the disbelievers are forced to say- Oh, so it is so! Dr Nutan Thakur Institute for Research and Documentation in Social Sciences (IRDS) Lucknow Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian/message/1357;_ylc=X3oDMTM1MWpoZXJnBF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARtc2dJZAMxMzU3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIyNDU3OTAwOQR0cGNJZAMxMzU3( 1) Reply (via web post) http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxOWNwajl2BF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARtc2dJZAMxMzU3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIyNDU3OTAwOQ--?act=replymessageNum=1357| Start a new topic http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcHRpcTlrBF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMjQ1NzkwMDk- Messageshttp://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYzBlYmxpBF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjQ1NzkwMDk- [image: Yahoo! Groups]http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcTBhZW5tBF9TAzk3NDkwNTAzBGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTIyNDU3OTAwOQ-- Change settings via the Webhttp://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJndG1xZm5oBF9TAzk3NDkwNTAzBGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNzdG5ncwRzdGltZQMxMjI0NTc5MDA5(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Digest| Switch format to Traditional[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Traditional Visit Your Group http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZmNqZGMyBF9TAzk3NDkwNTAzBGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNocGYEc3RpbWUDMTIyNDU3OTAwOQ--| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms.html | Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recent Activity - 8 New Membershttp://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnNDA2NXNmBF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMjI0NTc5MDA5 Visit Your Group http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/DailySouthAsian;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbzJmbGN1BF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BGdycElkAzEzMzc0MzU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTY5MDAxNTU5NARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMjQ1NzkwMDk- Yahoo! 360 Share what mattershttp://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJsbTEzZ2kwBF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMTMzNzQzNTcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjkwMDE1NTk0BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDMzYwBHN0aW1lAzEyMjQ1NzkwMDk-;_ylg=1/SIG=10rtna36m/**http%3A//360.yahoo.co.uk Share your photos, blog. Control who sees what. Yahoo! Toolbar Get it Free!http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJwbnJ0bTlzBF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMTMzNzQzNTcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjkwMDE1NTk0BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDdG9vbGJhcgRzdGltZQMxMjI0NTc5MDA5;_ylg=1/SIG=111pn8s2s/**http%3A//uk.toolbar.yahoo.com/ easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a grouphttp://uk.groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJwbDNsMjVyBF9TAzk3NDkwNTA1BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMTMzNzQzNTcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNjkwMDE1NTk0BHNlYwNuY21vZARzbGsDZ3JvdXBzMgRzdGltZQMxMjI0NTc5MDA5 in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Another False Arrest in Jaipur Blasts
10th to 13th May just before the blasts in Jaipur. However, following are the results of our verification of the record of phone calls made from his land line phone in his office situated in Molviganjj, Lucknow , during this period. (i) Call made on 10th May at 09973472944, 12:48 hrs. in Bokaro to Mussarat regarding admission to a University in Singapore. There was another call made at 16:28 hrs on same day and then on 12/05/08 at 14:00 hrs and 16:23 hrs. and on 13/05/08 at 16:34 hrs. Mussarat confirmed that he had spoken to Shahbaz Ahmed. (ii) Call made on 12th May at 022 24450617, 12:07 pm to Arbab Travels, Mumbai. It could not be confirmed whether it was actually Shahbaz who had called. (iii) Call made on 13th May at 044 42125454, 19:01 hrs. to Sriram of Singapore Worldwide Students' Placement in Chennai regarding tie-up with this agency. Call made again at this number on same day at 19:17 hrs. Most likely Shahbaz Ahmed talked to Sriram because there was nobody else in his office who could speak about this matter. (iv) Call made on 13th May at 09967141997 hrs. to Hasan, a real estate agent. It could not be confirmed whether it was Shahbaz who had made this call STD calls could be made from the phone in Shahbaz's office only after unlocking the code. Hence, most likely all the above calls were made by Shahbaz as it is very unlikely that Sarika or anybody else would have made these calls from his office. Rajasthan Police has alleged that Shahbaz has been identified by the owner of the Cyber Cafe but this identification after a lapse of five months is doubtful in itself as the cafe is daily frequented by so many persons. Rajasthan Police has also alleged that a laptop computer was recovered from Shahbaz whereas the fact is that Shahbaz did not possess a laptop. *Conclusion:* We think that Shahbaz Ahmed is innocent and has been picked up by police merely because he was a one time member of SIMI and his name probably cropped up in interrogation of one of the accused picked up earlier than him. Or may be police got hold of some membership list of SIMI from the years when he was a member. Shahbaz's life has changed after his marriage and it is unlikely that a person would be involved in bomb blasts in May when a child is born to his wife in April by a major operation. He seems to have been mostly busy trying to establish his business to ensure a decent earning to raise his family. The verification of calls made from his land line phone in office proves the presence of Shahbaz Ahmed in Lucknow between 10th and 13th May, 2008 and contradicts the version of Rajasthan police of his presence in Sahibabad during this period. Identification of Shahbaz by the owner of the Cyber cafe after a lapse of five months is also doubtful. Members of Fact Finding team: (1) S.R. Darapuri,. IPS (Retd) (UP), 9415164845, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2) Sandeep Pandey, Social Activist, 0522 2347365, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (3) S.M. Naseem,. IPS (Retd ) (UP) (4) J.A. Khan IAS (Retd.) (JK) (5) Mohammed Saif Babar, Advocate (6) Syed Moid Ahmed, Social Activist Report brought out on behalf of People's Union for Civil Liberties, U.P. Chapter, and People's Union for Human Rights. Posted by collective at October 20, 2008 09:27 AM -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: An open letter to Mr. Ratan Tata!
such parsimony in the case of land, which is a scarce resource. When I reflect on the Nano project in Bengal, I feel that never in the history of Bengal was a corporate body welcomed with such open arms. Bengal was determined to change its image from being a militant trade unionist state to one that would show up the ethos of good industrial culture. Buddhababu bent backwards in projecting himself as one no more hostile to the capitalists and one who promotes industry. Almost every one in Kolkata lapped up in pride such an impending change in Bengal's future prospects. The worker abandoned his demands for fair wages; the babu left his laziness behind gearing up to work for you, the women in the farmer families looked forward to opening up their canteens. But you disappointed everyone; you left your vendors high and dry, left the Bengal exchequer strained with the huge money that the government had spent for your project, got Mr Modi to call Buddhababu and us Bengalis names and then decided to be kingmaker by attempting to meddle with our political decision making through open letters. As being the world's cheapest steel maker, the world's most innovative car maker, the owner of the only private city in India, and being the oldest industry house in the world's largest democracy you should have been the one to remind the Bengal Chief Minister of the WTO issues of India, our Planning Commission's concerns about agriculture and how we are deadly worried about threats of hunger and why food security is the very core of a successful industrial base. To top it all up, you have decided to fine the residents of Bengal by demanding a huge compensation, which I believe would be transferred to Mr Modi to keep the Gujarat balance sheet in order, something that the tolabaaj goondas do in Kolkata. I am disappointed to find in the country's most revered industry house the mentality of a cheap extortionist, a blackmailer, and a self-aggrandized narcissist who forgets that in giving us a car he also means to make his own profits, not normal profits but super profits. I suspect, that in addition to the above, you were also a land grabber. Yours truly, Susmita Dasgupta -- Indranil Chakraborty -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Chengara; what Hindu missed today
-- Forwarded message -- From: Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/10/26 Subject: Chengara; what Hindu missed today To: aryakrishnan ramakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] *At Chengara * ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *On-the-spot assessment: Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes Commission P.K. Sivanandan visiting the Kumbazha Estate at Chengara, encroached upon by Sadhu Jana Vimochana Samyukta Vedi workers, on Saturday* The Hindu today has given a 'balanced and 'objective' report of Sivanandan's visit to Chengara. But Madhyamam has brought out the emotional happenings there. I am translating/abrdging it here ( apologies for the pooor translation) P.K.Sivanandan couldn't control his sobs while listening to the narrations by Chengara activists.He exhorted them in his subsequent speach that we shouldn't allow our children to become slaves of new masters. It was the welcome speach by seleena Prakkanam, in which she described the difficulties faced by them over past 14 years , that turned sivanandan emotional. In his touching speach he pointed to a child there and said that he too grew like that. ' I am one among you. I could comprehend your angst.Though I have become collector and Scheduled castes Commissin chairman, my mentality remain to be that of a slave.While facing elder members here I am reminded of my parents. I am reminded of the hurdles they faced in their life. We shouldn't allow our children to go through same fateI know many of you will be having small dwellings. If you were owning big houses, you won't come here to face such adverse situations and starvation.i heard that CM has stated that people here are leading a leisurely life.Those are words triggered by political ego. -- Dileep Raj Ernakulam -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] More Muslims studying, but can't find jobs
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[GreenYouth] Yankee invaders at our doorsteps
. But the official acknowledged that the intensified operations have failed to shake Al Qaeda's hold on the tribal areas. Things haven't gotten to the point that they would even consider another option, he said. Pakistan and the United States are also taking steps to repair the relationship between their intelligence services, which reached a nadir this summer after evidence emerged that Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligencehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/i/interservices_intelligence/index.html?inline=nyt-orgDirectorate had a hand in the July bombing of India's embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan. Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayanihttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/ashfaq_parvez_kayani/index.html?inline=nyt-per, Pakistan's top military official, recently replaced not only the ISIs commander but also four midlevel generals believed to have had advance knowledge of the embassy bombing. The C.I.A. has also put a new station chief in Islamabad, replacing one whose tour of duty had ended and whose relationship with the ISI had become contentious. Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the new head of the ISI, is in Washington this week and is scheduled to meet with the C.I.A. director, Michael V. Haydenhttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/michael_v_hayden/index.html?inline=nyt-per. Pentagon officials have publicly praised the Pakistan Army's aggressive campaign against militants in the Bajaur tribal agency. But privately, some American officials are wincing at a full-scale military operation that is taking a heavy toll on civilians as well as insurgents, and has not diminished the cross-border attacks. They don't have a concept of counterinsurgency operations, one senior American officer said. It's generally a heavy punch and then they leave. More than 200,000 people have now fled the attack helicopters, warplanes, artillery and mortar fire of the Pakistani Army, and some officials in Washington say the Pakistani government has been slow to follow up with food, water and other assistance to help displaced villagers. The United States has approved $8 million to aid the refugee effort. Still, a senior official in the State Department said the situation was a vast improvement from years of Pakistan's off-again-on-again military operations in the tribal areas. They have shown more fight than ever before, that official said of the Pakistanis. They show no desire to negotiate with the militants. The official said that Pakistan's civilian government had been moved to act in part by large-scale terrorist attacks in Pakistan, like the Sept. 20 bombing at the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad, which killed more than 50 people. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Laws are being readied in Karnataka targetting Christians and Muslims
From Tehelka Magazine, Vol 5, Issue 43, Dated Nov 01, 2008 A State Under Siege Laws are being readied in Karnataka targetting Christians and Muslims GAURI LANKESH KARNATAKA HAS not yet become the Gujarat of 2002. And it is some way from becoming the Orissa of 2008. But that is of little comfort. Because Karnataka is all set to be the state to witness Hindutva fury in 2009. In Karnataka, we are living in unfamiliar but discernibly dangerous times. We have a Chief Minister who has thrown all norms to the wind to please the heads of a few Hindu matts. We have a Home Minister who says the recent attacks on Christian churches were a mere reaction to conversions and ought not to be taken seriously since no one has been killed so far. Our Education Minister insists that the Bhagavad Gita should be part of the school curriculum. Meanwhile, demons are creeping in from all sides. Bit by bit, they are tearing apart the secular and progressive fabric of Karnataka, which had been woven with great care over the centuries. To give one example, a leading Kannada daily — Vijaya Karnataka — carried an article by wellknown Kannada writer SL Bhairappa, on October 16. Filling a page-and-a-half, it was nothing but pure diatribe against the Christian community. Bhairappa, a long time fellow-traveller of the Sangh Parivar, had last year penned a novel, Aavarana, which painted Muslims as oppressors of Hindus, a fundamentalist community hell-bent on destroying Hindu temples, etc. Aavarana was a deceptive mixture of fiction and half-truths from the pages of Indian history. Though Bhairappa termed it a `historical literary novel', critics denounced it as neither literature nor history. The Sangh Parivar, however, eagerly promoted it. Now — just like the Sangh Parivar and its goons — Bhairappa has trained his guns on the Christian community. Titled Could this have happened in any other country? he paints a picture of Christians as schemers out to destroy Hinduism through conversions, as plunderers of wealth, and so on. He writes: though conversion to Christianity has been taking place over the last four centuries it has gone up alarmingly ever since Sonia Gandhi was installed on the throne of power. But the media has never bothered about it. However, now that some people have woken up to the big problem facing them and have expressed their reaction in some areas of Orissa and Karnataka, the secular publications and the leftleaning media are behaving as if India itself is being destroyed. Sonia's followers, intellectuals, leftists, secularists and others have taken the side of the missionaries and are tarnishing Hindu organisations, religious heads and the BJP Bhairappa does not have even the slightest sympathy for the thousands of Christians in Orissa who have lost their homes and lives. He has the least concern for those in Karnataka who were beaten up by both Saffronites and the police. That Vijaya Karnataka — which has long been acting as a pamphleteer of the Saffron brigade — published the piece was not surprising at all. Bhairappa's latest piece of `fiction' is a sign of things to come. Though there is not a single complaint of forced conversion in the state, the government and the Saffron brigade are orchestrating a highpitched demand for a law to ban conversions (target: Christians). Simultaneously, the government is also trying to bring in the Karnataka Organised Crime Control Act in order to curb terrorism (target: Muslims). Of course, there is always the handy 'Naxalite' tag to silence human rights activists, secularists and leftists. It has been less than four months since the BJP came to power in the state. It has not delivered on even one of its many electoral promises. But it has succeeded in creating a state of siege. We are living in dangerous times. (Gauri Lankesh is editor of the Kannada weekly, Lankesh) -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Fwd: Statement of BHRPC Regarding Serial Blasts in Assam
Dear Sir, Bellow is the statement of BHRPC regarding serial blasts in Assam. It is meant for immediate release. With Regards Yours Waliullah Ahmed Laskar Liaison Officer, BHRPC 15, Panjabari Road, Darandha Six Mile, Guwahati-781037 Mobile: +919401134314 Statement of BHRPC Regarding Serial Blasts in Assam Silchar: 31 October: Barak Human Rights Protection Committee (BHRPC), a human rights organization working in Assam, categorically condemns the horrendous massacre caused by serial blasts in Assam on 30 October, which took lives of about 80 people, injured nearly 400 and burnt to ashes hundreds of shops, cars and other properties. Mr. Manindra Shankar Gupta, the chairperson of BHRPC, offered condolences to the family members of the deceased and wishes speedy recovery of the injured. Speaking in a meeting convened by the organization here today Mr. Gupta termed this act as a blow to the humanity and a challenge to the Indian state to uphold and adhere to the tenets of democracy and human rights. Such acts of terror are committed with intent to establish anarchy by terrorizing the whole society and defeating the rule of law, he adds. *Mr. Gupta also said that in countering terrorism the state often succumbs to the design of the terrorists by failing to respect the human rights of the people including the accused. When this happens the terrorism triumphs because the state itself does the act of terror. More over, failure to respect human rights creates breeding ground of terrorism.* He said that BHRPC has been observing with apprehension that a trend of communalizing the counter-terror effort has developed of late which is ominous for the country. Stereotyping a particular community will divide the people of the country which is exactly what the terrorists want. BHRPC urges the State and Union Governments, he adds, to conduct and a prompt, impartial and objective investigation into the blasts, pay ex-gratia of rupees five lakh to the next of kin of the deceased, one lakh to the injured and adequate compensation for the destroyed property immediately. He also said that the state should ensure at all costs the right to security of life and property of the people. People don't need a government which can not provide security to its citizens. Mr. Gupta also urges the people to maintain peace and calm and to be active in fighting this menace of terrorism, because terrorism can not be defeated by the government alone. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Why This Step-Motherly Treatment For Polygamy?
society, whilst polyandry will only take place in poor communities where there is a scarcity of resources. This is a feasible argument, but I believe the answer lies in empowering women by educating them etc. and not in interfering in what consenting adults do. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: Why This Step-Motherly Treatment For Polygamy?
Luisa I am taking the liberty to pass on your comments to Vinod I thought that I should point out one minor disagreement I have with your argument; You say (every marriage and civil partnership ..must be registered makes no sense --every marriage and civil partnership is registered otherwise it is not a marriage or a civil partnership but an unregulated and undefined relationship). Under Family Law regulated through personal laws (euphemism for religious codes - there needs to be a debate on how representational they are anyways), in India it is possible to contract marriage without registration. The system does not see marriage as either civil or partnership - except under the Special Marriages Act I could not agree more with My argument would be that you can only fight reactionary forces using the more progressive law of the status quo and that you can change the law to reflect a more progressive status quo but you cannot change the law to simply force society into a more progressive order without a large part of the population desiring and organizing for this more progressive social order--such an attempt for liberation, that starts rather than ends with the law, inevitably back-fires. There are enogh examples of such social engineering that, if not backfired, are rotting without implementation in the gazette, from the Dowry prohibition Act to the Atrocities Act Best Bobby On 31/10/2008, Luisa Steur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't help having to react to the serious naivite I see in Vinod George Joseph's article about the function of law in society, about the illusion that law's primary function is to empower marginal groups/relationships. I tend to think that history shows that the law works primarily to enforce the status quo. It is only after a broad social movement and political struggle, when the status quo has changed, that you can adopt the law to make it reflect the new, more liberated status quo. But if you simply extend the reach of the law without there being a powerfull social movements for a different status quo first, what you are doing is simply extending the power of the state to regulate and subordinate any emerging alternatives to the dominant status quo. Such initiatives may be undertaken by well-meaning progressive lawyers but without a broad social movement they will end up placing marginal groups at the mercy of the majority of conservative judges in stead. Therefore this desire to include more and more marginal groups and marginal relationships into the realm of the law is alien to me. As long as such groups and relationships are not explicitly criminalized (and thus in fact already included in the law), I would think it is a much wiser strategy to keep them out of the reach of the state. Every marriage and civil partnership must be registered and the register should be available to the general public for inspection and accessible through the internet. says Vinod. First of all, this is of course tautological (every marriage and civil partnership ..must be registered makes no sense --every marriage and civil partnership is registeredotherwise it is not a marriage or a civil partnership but an unregulated and undefined relationship). But secondly, imagine what it would mean for marginal, non-orthodox relationships if they were told they must be registered and available for inspection in a context where there was not a large social movement to break the strong-hold of monogamous, heterosexual, patriarcal relations (and I don't think we're at that point yet in India..if anywhere). It would simply mean that you force any kind of marginal alternatives existing on the fringes of the law to make themselves explicit before the state so that the state can regulate them, so that conservative public opinion can pour scorn on them, and so that dominant values can be legally enforced on them to the point that these relationships simply stop existing or become so much regulated that they stop being alternatives at all. My argument would be that you can only fight reactionary forces using the more progressive law of the status quo and that you can change the law to reflect a more progressive status quo but you cannot change the law to simply force society into a more progressive order without a large part of the population desiring and organizing for this more progressive social order--such an attempt for liberation, that starts rather than ends with the law, inevitably back-fires. Luisa From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greenyouth greenyouth@googlegroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 15:37:03 Subject: [GreenYouth] Why This Step-Motherly Treatment For Polygamy? http://winnowed.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-this-step-motherly-treatment-for.html Why This Step-Motherly Treatment For Polygamy? Vinod George Joseph As India intensively debates
[GreenYouth] Re: Why This Step-Motherly Treatment For Polygamy?
Luisa There have been fairly many feminist readings and critiques of family law. These efforts have taken a serious backseat with the rise of communal fascism especially of the hindutva brand. Will try and give a small bibliograohy from memory at the end of this mail (family law is not something that I know much about, so do not consider my response more seriously than that). On a perfunctionary note, marriages and succession in India is governed by three broad religious codes which unfairly encompass all religions in India - being Hindu, Muslim Christian and they are called personal laws. These have through precedents and statute been interpreted broadly to include sub-streams (whether these sub-streams would want to be included or not) - so there is ample scope for marriages to be recorded without registration and most marriages in India have happened without formal registration (off late there has been efforts afoot to make registration compulsory which has met with a little amount of success). Special marriages act is the secular law governing marriages and a very miniscule number of marriages are registered under this - most often inter-caste and inter-religion - you would of course be aware how rare this is in India. You could try lawyer/authors such as Ratna Kapoor, Flavia Agnes, Brinda Grover, Uma Chakravarthy etc. Apologies for not being more helpful - am sure there are others in this group who can give more information Best On 31/10/2008, Luisa Steur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Bobby, Thanks for your reply. Actually as soon as I sent my e-mail I started realizing I probably hadn't taken enough account of the immense complexities of the Indian legal system... Can you say a bit more about this Special Marriages Act--what does that act entail? (Or where can I read about it?). Luisa From: Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 18:37:56 Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Why This Step-Motherly Treatment For Polygamy? Luisa I am taking the liberty to pass on your comments to Vinod I thought that I should point out one minor disagreement I have with your argument; You say (every marriage and civil partnership ..must be registered makes no sense --every marriage and civil partnership is registered otherwise it is not a marriage or a civil partnership but an unregulated and undefined relationship). Under Family Law regulated through personal laws (euphemism for religious codes - there needs to be a debate on how representational they are anyways), in India it is possible to contract marriage without registration. The system does not see marriage as either civil or partnership - except under the Special Marriages Act I could not agree more with My argument would be that you can only fight reactionary forces using the more progressive law of the status quo and that you can change the law to reflect a more progressive status quo but you cannot change the law to simply force society into a more progressive order without a large part of the population desiring and organizing for this more progressive social order--such an attempt for liberation, that starts rather than ends with the law, inevitably back-fires. There are enogh examples of such social engineering that, if not backfired, are rotting without implementation in the gazette, from the Dowry prohibition Act to the Atrocities Act Best Bobby On 31/10/2008, Luisa Steur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't help having to react to the serious naivite I see in Vinod George Joseph's article about the function of law in society, about the illusion that law's primary function is to empower marginal groups/relationships. I tend to think that history shows that the law works primarily to enforce the status quo. It is only after a broad social movement and political struggle, when the status quo has changed, that you can adopt the law to make it reflect the new, more liberated status quo. But if you simply extend the reach of the law without there being a powerfull social movements for a different status quo first, what you are doing is simply extending the power of the state to regulate and subordinate any emerging alternatives to the dominant status quo. Such initiatives may be undertaken by well-meaning progressive lawyers but without a broad social movement they will end up placing marginal groups at the mercy of the majority of conservative judges in stead. Therefore this desire to include more and more marginal groups and marginal relationships into the realm of the law is alien to me. As long as such groups and relationships are not explicitly criminalized (and thus in fact already included in the law), I would think it is a much wiser strategy to keep them out of the reach of the state. Every marriage and civil partnership must be registered and the register should be available to the general public
[GreenYouth] NHRC whitewashes Salwa Judum atrocities
http://covert.co.in/appu.htm special report | Appu Esthose Suresh NHRC whitewashes Salwa Judum atrocities *New Delhi:* Two Government reports, two different assessments. The National Human Rights Commission has given a clean chit to the controversial Salwa Judum and in the process, discounted the findings of another Government statutory body, the National Commission for the Protection of Rights of the Child [NCPRC]. The NHRC has also contradicted itself in its own report. The Commission claims that it did not find the SJ guilty of intimidating and punishing anyone suspected of being a Naxalite. However, it later observes, The growth of Salwa Judum at times encountered resistance on the part of some tribals due to sympathies with the Naxalites. Thus, there were some instances when Salwa Judum activists beat up and forced the people to join them in rallies and processions. Again, the Commission in another segment finds: The enquiry team also came across a few instances where, despite families having shifted to their villages, able-bodied males are compulsorily asked by SJ leaders to come and sleep in the camp. This is done to keep them away from the influences of the Naxalites and to maintain the strength of number in SJ. Testimonies recorded by the NCPRC corroborate these facts, while they also cite specific instances of killings and rapes. Its report reads, The public hearing held in Charla [Khammam district in Andhra Pradesh] was attended by 200 Internally Displaced Peoples and the team heard the testimony of over 35 people. Every testimony included a narrative of extreme violence committed against them by Naxalites, Salwa Judum and Security Forces. Many people shared accounts of family members being killed and women raped by the Salwa Judum. After another public hearing in Dantewada in Chhattisgarh, the report notes, There were numerous accounts of family members being killed for resisting the Salwa Judum. Yet, interestingly, in its report NHRC claims it did not find SJ indulging in coercion and violent intimidation. After the NCPRC team visited two camps in Dantewada district it found that The diet of the camp residents was very limited, potentially resulting in malnutrition. Their team also found the basic amenities grossly inadequate. On the other hand, the NHRC team found the overall conditions in the temporary relief camps satisfactory. Shanta Sinha, Chairperson, NCPRC told * Covert*, We stand by our report. The NHRC also seemed eager to look past the rape charges. The team did not come across any cases of rape which could be substantiated it said, in a clear bid to exonerate the accused SJ volunteers, special police officers and security men of all charges. The NHRC team investigated only two incidents and visited the wrong villages. Instead of visiting Polmpalli in Usur Thana, as mentioned in the petition, the team investigated a village of the same name in Drompal Thana. It is of little wonder then that it could not substantiate the charges. Shanta Sinha, who came across the allegations of rape and sexual violence during public hearings, clarified, There were harrowing stories of violence by Naxalites, Salwa Judum and the security forces. We found these to be genuine and included them in our report. At Charla public hearing, Nirali of Lingagiri village, Dantewada [names were changed by the commission, for obvious reasons] testified, Salwa Judum would visit our villages and ask us to go to the police stations. The Salwa Judum members were people of other villages who would come together and harass us. No one from our village joined the Salwa Judum. The police came with guns and killed two members of my family and raped my niece. Shanta Sinha added, Why would I disbelieve a mother who walked through the forest for two days to give testimony about violence on her family? Why would she lie? Sridevi Panikkar, an activist who has recorded the testimonies of rape victims for independent fact-finding teams, alleges, Instead of following special standards of investigation for rape charges in a conflict area, the NHRC has not complied with even the elementary rules of investigation. Statements by villagers alleging killings by Naxalites were taken into cognisance by the NHRC, irrespective of whether their bodies were found and cases registered. However, testimonies of internally displaced people living in Andhra Pradesh alleging crimes by SJ on them and their families did not hold the same legitimacy for the Commission. This has raised apprehensions among the petitioners about a fair investigation. Nandini Sunder, an academic and petitioner, told *Covert*, It seems the investigation went by the police versions even though the police was also accused -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post
[GreenYouth] Fwd: BHRPC Memorandum Regarding Assam Serial Blasts or 30 October
the investigating authorities deliberately want to cover up the role of RSS affiliates in these acts of terror. Can the real truth behind the dastardly acts come out without properly investigating these incidents, where the culprits' involvement is very clear? BHRPC urges upon you to instruct the investigating authorities to pursue the investigation in an unbiased, honest and professional manner. The life of innocent citizens is at stake and such irresponsible cover will definitely prevent the real truth from coming out. For the sake of fairness, honesty and the values of our constitution, we need to pursue these cases in their logical direction. Can we look forward to you, Mr. Prime Minister, to make your Government to rise above partisan attitude and unravel the truth behind the blasts which are rocking the country in a painful way? With regard Yours Sincerely Sd/- Manidra Shankar Gupta Chairperson -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] A Delightful Old Lady
. 'John, oh look at that elephant! Isn't it beaut?' 'Ma, I want a lolly!' John insisted. Mark got up and walked around, stretching himself. 'Ma, a lolly!' 'Mark, can you please take out that elephant for John?' 'I don't think we should. It looks dirty enough. The whole place is full of dust.' He walked over to a cupboard filled with books, peered inside and said, 'these books. They are so dusty and falling apart. I don't think anyone has read them in ages.' 'I want a lolly!' John said even louder. Mark quickly opened the toys cupboard and took out the elephant. For good measure, he took out a duck as well. The elephant was given to John and the duck to Anna. John sat down on the carpeted floor and started to bounce the elephant up and down. Anna dropped the duck to the floor from where she sat on Karen's lap. Karen picked up the duck and gave it back to Anna who held on to it. The old woman appeared with Kavitha behind her carrying a tea tray. Kavitha's daughter had tagged alongside her mother, but once again stopped just behind the curtains. 'I'm so glad I checked on Kavitha. I've told her so many times that English people like to be served tea without milk and sugar mixed in it, but she had forgotten!' Kavitha put the tray on the table in front of Mark and Karen and went back to the kitchen. The old woman poured out the tea. 'Milk?' 'Yes please.' 'Yes please.' 'Sugar?' 'Yes please.' 'Yes please.' 'What would your children like? Shall I get them some biscuits?' Before Mark or Karen could reply, the old woman said, 'Kavitha can go to the shop and buy some biscuits, but it will take some time.' 'Oh! No drama. Please don't bother.' 'I was planning to buy some biscuits, but ...' 'How is you tea?' 'Ace,' Mark said. 'Pardon me?' 'It's very good. 'Do you have a lot of English visitors?' 'No, not really. Not many people come this way!' 'Don't you like the elephant?' the old woman asked John who had abandoned the elephant and was planning to renew his demand for a sweet. John did not reply, but looked around wildly, his eyes darting from the toys cupboard to his mother. 'Would you like another toy little boy?' The old woman walked over to the cupboard and picked out a soldier and handed it over to John. 'John, say thank you,' Karen reminded John who mumbled his thanks. 'He is such a sweet little boy. How long are you in India for?' 'Three weeks. We've done two already. Up north. Delhi, Jaipur, Agra and now we have a week in Kerala.' 'What do you do in England? Do you work for a bank or a company?' 'I manage a station. In Australia. We're Aussies you know.' 'A station? Is that a station for trains? A railway station?' 'No, for sheep. A large sheep farm.' 'You must be joking. You are not a shepherd. You must be a station manager at King's Cross or Charing Cross or Paddington.' 'It doesn't matter, does it? How long have you lived in this cottage?' 'For the last sixty years. After my husband retired, Beckley's gave him this cottage. When my husband was alive, we used to have a lot of visitors. We... 'We ought to be going,' Mark said as he put down his cup. 'John, let's put the toys back.' Mark tried to take the elephant and the soldier from John who held on to both of them.' 'Oh, let the little boy keep the toys.' The old woman turned to Anna and said, 'you can keep the duck.' 'But we can't do that,' Karen objected. 'I'm sure they are exy!' 'Please take them. There's nobody to play with them. I rarely get any visitors these days.' 'You could always give them to someone else.' 'There is no one else.' The old woman rang the bell once again and Kavitha came in, picked up the tea tray and left, collecting her daughter from behind the curtains on the way back. Mark and Karen continued to look hesitant. 'Would you like a plastic bag for the toys?' 'A bag would be good.' The old woman shouted something at Kavitha's retreating back. Within a minute, Kavitha came back with a polythene bag and gave it to Mark. 'Can't do without plastic, though we call ourselves greenies.' 'I beg your pardon?' The old woman had the most politely puzzled look on her face. 'Never mind. Never mind. We got to be going. Thanks so much for the lovely tea.' As they walked out, Karen said, 'she was such a delightful old lady, wasn't she?' 'Yup, but she was starting to yabber and she thought we were Pommies!' 'I didn't understand half of what she said.' 'Nether did I. And I doubt if she understood more than one-fourth of what we said.' Karen giggled. 'Still, she was such a sweet, delightful old thing.' 'I guess John and Anna are the only children she has seen in a very long time!' As they walked away, Kavitha and her daughter watched them for a while through a window. Then Kavitha went the sink and started to wash the tea cups and saucers. After she washed the cups and saucers, she kept them on the floor and told her daughter, 'here, you take this towel and wipe these cups and saucers dry.' -- Bobby
[GreenYouth] Re: Indian activist bemoans modern-day slavery at US conference
Dear Maya A Bajrang Dali is as much of an activist as Apne Aap or a Maoist - activist is a term that can be embraced by all hues and shades of political colour. My problem with Apne Aap and Ruchira is the politics that define this activism - the value system that they force on a constituency which in all probablity helps their career! That quote you mentioned actually points to their political position Thanks 2008/11/4 Maya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Activism*, in a general sense, can be described as intentional action to bring about social http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_change or political http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics change. This action is in support of, or opposition to, one side of an often controversialhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversyargument. The word activism is often used synonymouslyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synonymouswith protest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest or dissenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissent, but activism can stem from any number of political orientations and take a wide range of forms, from writing letters to newspapers or politicians, political campaigning, economic activismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_activism(such as boycotts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott or preferentially patronizing preferred businesses), rallies, blogginghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloggingand street marches http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demonstration_(people), strikeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_action, or even guerrilla tactics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare. In the more confrontational cases, an activist may be called a freedom fighter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fighter by some, and a terrorist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism by others, depending on whether the commentator supports the activist's ends. In some cases, activism has nothing to do with protest or confrontation: for instance, some religious http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious, feminist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist or vegetarianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarian /vegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan activists try to persuade people to change their behavior directly, rather than persuade governments to change laws. The cooperative movementhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_movementseeks to build new institutions which conform to cooperative principles, and generally does not lobby or protest politically. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ! On 11/3/08, Maya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I too find their approach as problematic. This is what we usually consider as activism! She says like this , ( or she is made to talk like this , by the NGO or some other powers who are funding) 'It is time for us to celebrate and protect our daughters who are each goddesses in their own right'- trying to create gods again. ! And draw some Gandhian concepts etc! Wonderful thing is that, in the internet if we search activism we get this kind of news! So what is activism itself is a question, i think. On 11/3/08, Bobby Kunhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apne Aap is a really nice initiative. But I find their approach problematic. Despite their assertion on the top-down format, the morality within which they work is, imposed on the constituency. In other words, professional social workers (of course mostly women) as part of their career impose their value system for instance on sex workers (which is a major apne aap constituency). I am seriously worried that they are working on the link between caste and prostitution for the NCW, while they continously engage with systems that facilitate trafficking in very much the same caste terms I hope someone could respond a bit more on this confusion of mine 2008/11/3 Maya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Indian activist bemoans modern-day slavery at US conference* *Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC * October 30, 2008 22:21 IST Noted anti-trafficking activist Ruchira Gupta, the founder president of Apne Aap Women Worldwide--a grassroots Indian organization--of women and children involved in the flesh trade, told a White House conference on October 28 that thousands of young girls continue to languish as slaves and prostitutes in India but that her organization offers hope for these children through a model that can serve as a template for other cultures as well. Gupta speaking at the conference titled 'Success against Slavery: Strategies for the Future and Promising Practices in International Programming', said, Today is Diwali, the festival that celebrates the goddess of wealth and prosperity Laxmi, while one goddess is being celebrated, there are hundreds of thousands of young girls in our country who are in situations of captivity as bonded workers and child prostitutes.It is time for us to celebrate and protect our daughters who are each goddesses in their own right, she said, while conveying to the more than 100 delegates
[GreenYouth] POSCO given 'green' light, with riders
POSCO given 'green' light, with riders Rediff News, November 04, 2008 [To read a related posting in Hindi language , click here ] --- Note: To read the four in-depth special analytical articles written by Dr Sanat Mohanty and Sandip Dasverma on POSCO steel project in Orissa, in English or Hindi, click on the titles below: Orissa: An Economic Scam Coming? POSCO Project is not an unquestionable boon for Orissa Who will gain from the POSCO Project in Orissa? POSCO not driven by philanthropy but shrewd planning to compensate displaced farmers -- South Korean steel major Posco has overcome the first hurdle in getting the forest diversion proposal approved from the central government for its proposed 12-million ton mega steel project near Paradeep in Orissa. The company has obtained the stage-I forest clearance from the Union Ministry of Environment and Forests. Subject to fulfilment of the stage-I conditions in terms of mitigation measures, steps will be taken for the next stage of approval, said official sources. The Rs 52,000-crore project, billed as the biggest foreign direct investment project in the country, requires 4,004 acres for its greenfield steel plant in the Jagatsinghpur district of Orissa. Of the 4,004 acres, forest land is about 2,958.79 acres, for which the state government had sent the FDP to the ministry. The ministry has given the stage-I clearance now. Following the submission of the central empowered committee's report on the FDP, the Supreme Court heard the matter on August 8 and passed the order, allowing the diversion of the forest land for the project. According to the apex court's order, the state's steel and mines department constituted a four-member committee under the chairmanship of S K Patnaik on October 30. The committee will examine the steps to be taken as mitigation measures to protect the area from cyclone and other natural calamities as a large number of trees will be cut in the coastal region. The committee will suggest various mitigation measures such as compensatory afforestation and assess the net present value of the forests to be destroyed. It will give its suggestions within two months, sources added. The state's Chief Secretary Ajit Kumar Tripathy reviewed the progress on Monday. Talking to the media, G W Sung, director, Posco India, said the state government has assured the company to expedite the processes associated with the approval of the FDP by the Union government. Similarly, it assured to convene the meeting of the Rehabilitation and Periphery Development Advisory Committee within 15 days to expedite the settlement of rehabilitation issues, Sung added. On the progress of land acquisition for the project, which is facing a roadblock due to local agitation, Sung said the company intends to start work on the 414.19 acres of the non-forest government land in the first stage. Of this, 313.19 acres have already been sanctioned to Posco by the collector of Jagatsinghpur in October 2007 and the same is now pending for transfer to the company for clarification on premium amount by the revenue and disaster management department of the state government. Similarly, another stretch of 10 acres in Badagabapur has been sanctioned in favour of the company by the district administration for building a transit colony for villagers to be displaced by the project. Originally published in Rediff News , to read the complete Rediff News, click here or go to: http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/nov/04posco.htm --- Note: To read the four in-depth special analytical articles written by Dr Sanat Mohanty and Sandip Dasverma on POSCO steel project in Orissa, in English or Hindi, click on the titles below: Orissa: An Economic Scam Coming? POSCO Project is not an unquestionable boon for Orissa Who will gain from the POSCO Project in Orissa? POSCO not driven by philanthropy but shrewd planning to compensate displaced farmers -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Mumia in the days of Obama
Today, as we celebrate history being made, I am trying through a symbol - Mumia Abu Jamal, to evoke a sense of history that looks into the past and the future. Before Obama's victory reverberates across the world - it might be useful. He has been on the death row since 1981 and has been part of one amongst the three big religious communities in the US - and was persecuted much before the now-ending neo-con regime came into existence Here goes Mumia;s take on the possible Obama victory Mumia Abu-Jamal: Is Obama's victory ours? Jun 19, 2008 [image: FREE MUMIABRABU-JAMAL] FREE MUMIA ABU-JAMAL With the attainment of the required delegates to claim the Democratic Party's nomination for U.S. president, Sen. Barack H. Obama (D-IL) has written a new page in American history. For by so doing he succeeds where Channing Phillips, Shirley Chisholm, Jesse Jackson, Sr., and Al Sharpton could not—by gaining the necessary delegates to demand nomination. Of course, there have been numerous Black candidates for president, but these have been third party efforts designed more to raise issues, to organize or protest than to actually win elections. Some of the best known have been Eldridge Cleaver (former Black Panther Minister of Information), Dick Gregory, Dr. Lenora Fulani, and the former congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney. But this is a different kettle of fish, for Obama's candidacy is the closest to make it to the winner's circle. What also distinguishes Obama from his predecessors is he doesn't come from civil rights, Black liberation, socialist or anti-war movements. (He often remarks at speeches, I'm not against all wars, I'm just against dumb wars.) Indeed, although his detractors may try to paint him as a leftist liberal, this is hardly true. On issues both foreign and domestic he would've been more at home in the Republican Party of his senatorial forebear, Edward Brooke of Massachusetts. For though he is Black by dint of his African father, he has studiously avoided Black political groups in his long, harrowing climb to the rim of the White House. He has studiously avoided the very real and long-standing grievances of Black America. In fact, he tried to run a post-racial campaign until Sen. Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) and her rambunctious husband, former Pres. Bill, brought race front and center during the Super Tuesday February primaries, by trying to pigeonhole him as the Black candidate. This primary wounded Obama, and as he won in the delegate count, he also lost a number of primary states, such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, which are necessary for a win in November. Politics is the art of making people believe that they are in power when, in fact, they have none. *It is a measure of how dire is the hour that they've passed the keys to the kingdom to a Black man.* *As in many American cities, Black mayors were let in when the treasuries were almost barren, and tax bases were almost at rock-bottom.* With the nation's manufacturing base also a thing of history, amidst the socioeconomic wreckage of globalization, with foreign affairs in shambles, the rulers reach for a pretty, brown face to front for the Empire. Real change that you could believe in would be an end to Empire, and an end to wars for corporate greed, not just a change of the shade of the political managers. That change, I'm afraid, is still to come. *p.s. The emphasis is mine* -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Mumia in the days of Obama
Today, as we celebrate history being made, I am trying through a symbol - Mumia Abu Jamal, to evoke a sense of history that looks into the past and the future. Before Obama's victory reverberates across the world - it might be useful. He has been on the death row since 1981 and has been part of one amongst the three big religious communities in the US - and was persecuted much before the now-ending neo-con regime came into existence Here goes Mumia;s take on the possible Obama victory Mumia Abu-Jamal: Is Obama's victory ours? Jun 19, 2008 [image: FREE MUMIABRABU-JAMAL] FREE MUMIA ABU-JAMAL With the attainment of the required delegates to claim the Democratic Party's nomination for U.S. president, Sen. Barack H. Obama (D-IL) has written a new page in American history. For by so doing he succeeds where Channing Phillips, Shirley Chisholm, Jesse Jackson, Sr., and Al Sharpton could not—by gaining the necessary delegates to demand nomination. Of course, there have been numerous Black candidates for president, but these have been third party efforts designed more to raise issues, to organize or protest than to actually win elections. Some of the best known have been Eldridge Cleaver (former Black Panther Minister of Information), Dick Gregory, Dr. Lenora Fulani, and the former congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney. But this is a different kettle of fish, for Obama's candidacy is the closest to make it to the winner's circle. What also distinguishes Obama from his predecessors is he doesn't come from civil rights, Black liberation, socialist or anti-war movements. (He often remarks at speeches, I'm not against all wars, I'm just against dumb wars.) Indeed, although his detractors may try to paint him as a leftist liberal, this is hardly true. On issues both foreign and domestic he would've been more at home in the Republican Party of his senatorial forebear, Edward Brooke of Massachusetts. For though he is Black by dint of his African father, he has studiously avoided Black political groups in his long, harrowing climb to the rim of the White House. He has studiously avoided the very real and long-standing grievances of Black America. In fact, he tried to run a post-racial campaign until Sen. Hillary R. Clinton (D-NY) and her rambunctious husband, former Pres. Bill, brought race front and center during the Super Tuesday February primaries, by trying to pigeonhole him as the Black candidate. This primary wounded Obama, and as he won in the delegate count, he also lost a number of primary states, such as Ohio and Pennsylvania, which are necessary for a win in November. Politics is the art of making people believe that they are in power when, in fact, they have none. It is a measure of how dire is the hour that they've passed the keys to the kingdom to a Black man. As in many American cities, Black mayors were let in when the treasuries were almost barren, and tax bases were almost at rock-bottom. With the nation's manufacturing base also a thing of history, amidst the socioeconomic wreckage of globalization, with foreign affairs in shambles, the rulers reach for a pretty, brown face to front for the Empire. Real change that you could believe in would be an end to Empire, and an end to wars for corporate greed, not just a change of the shade of the political managers. That change, I'm afraid, is still to come. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[GreenYouth] Re: He may bring fresh hope..but the world won't stop hating US of A
the Middle East and taken the great share of military burdens in joint conflicts. Mr Obama said that he wanted to restore the US's standing in the world. Already, he has done so. He will be incomparably better than Mr Bush. But his foreign champions seem to want from him a vast commitment of time, money and lives of US soldiers – and in their interests, as much as the US's own. That is to set for him a standard that no US president has tried to meet. It is to construct a pretext to let loose again, at some point, the antiAmerican sentiment that has certainly not gone away. Of course, the US has been high-handed in its manner from its birth. The fall of the Soviet Union, in making it the world's superpower, added triumphalism. T*he national shock of September 11, 2001, injected paranoia and an ugly version of its historic sense of manifest destiny to its confused attempt to identify its enemies.* The Bush Administration specialised in handcrafted insults of old allies. It would be wrong to pretend that Mr Bush was entirely an oddity in his foreign policy. You cannot reject the worst of the US's actions without throwing out the idealism and the willingness to intervene in others' problems, which inspired its best. If it were not for Iraq, Bush would have won more credit for the past two years, in which he has done much of what is reasonable for the world to ask of a US president. He has worked with other countries through the United Nations, tried to engage the Middle East and taken the great share of military burdens in joint conflicts. Mr Obama said that he wanted to restore the US's standing in the world. Already, he has done so. He will be incomparably better than Mr Bush. But his foreign champions seem to want from him a vast commitment of time, money and lives of US soldiers – and in their interests, as much as the US's own. That is to set for him a standard that no US president has tried to meet. It is to construct a pretext to let loose again, at some point, the antiAmerican sentiment that has certainly not gone away. -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Green Youth Movement group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
