So assuming you could use the whole drive, the number of these current
generation drives that you would need to back a single address space is
(2**64)/(2**38) = 2**(64-38) = 2**26 = 67,108,864
Back in my old life I once did a presentation at an IBM customer
meeting trying to illustrate how
A fairly easy one?
Can't remember the command to remove the entry from the base but keep the
dataset or, for another example get rid altogether.
Thx in anticipation
JJ
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If I do f p'abc===xyz' I can find any string that begins with abc and
ends with xyz and has any 3 characters in the middle. Is the any way to
find any n-character string starting with abc and ending with xyz or do I
always have to explicitly specify the number of unknown characters.
Jim
It is a feature of the emulated DASD support in Hercules.
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Joe,
Can't remember the command to remove the entry from the base but keep the
dataset or, for another example get rid altogether.
I use IDCAMS alter command to add deferred GDS to the base:
ALTER gdg.name.GVxx ROLLIN
I use IDCAMS delete command to delete the dataset:
DELETE
In a message dated 7/19/2006 5:32:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If I do f p'abc===xyz' I can find any string that begins with abc and
ends with xyz and has any 3 characters in the middle. Is the any way to
find any n-character string starting with abc and
I strongly disagree. Some good programmers are arrogant, but then again so are
some bad ones. The best ones realize that they don't -- and can't -- know it
all, and they make allowances for it.
Edsger Dijkstra even made humility the point of a paper he delivered at a
Turing Award lecture,
On 18 Jul 2006 11:32:54 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
On Jul 18, 2006, at 6:26 AM, Veilleux, Jon L wrote:
I always get blank looks when I ask what would happen if someone
actually tried to exploit 64bit addressing to the fullest. How do we
provide page space to back these
Ed Finnell wrote...
Don't know if you can do it in one command but can do the ONLY
trick of ===ONLY abc pre
Then ===FIND xyz suf nx all
Don't remember where ONLY came from, PDS85 commands source or XEPHON.
Surely
it's the medication
ONLY is probably an Edit macro consisting of EXCLUDE
Jim,
There is no way to do what you want using a single ISPF command, but the
following simple edit macro will do it:
/* REXX Edit Macro */
address isredit
MACRO
FIND ABC FIRST
FIND XYZ .ZCSR .ZCSR NEXT
if rc = 0 then say Found
else say Not found
exit 0
This will find any line that contains
Ed Finnell wrote...
Don't know if you can do it in one command but can do the ONLY
trick of ===ONLY abc pre
Then ===FIND xyz suf nx all
The above would find strings such as zzzxyz abczzz, but I think Jim only
wanted to find strings where XYZ comes *after* ABC.
Dave Salt
SimpList(tm) -
On 18 Jul 2006 10:04:24 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
McKown, John wrote:
Yet another convert off the mainframe has glitches despite the time
(6+ years) and money ($35 Million US) spent. It does not say what OS the
replacement system was running on. Nor exactly what the glitches
I am of two minds about whether the need for COBOL is dying.
On one hand, it has served (and served well) for many years and is very
well-suited for its original purpose.
On the other hand, as time goes by there are fewer people around who
know it. It is becoming
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:46:27 -0400, Kuredjian, Michael
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently in University on my Co-op term as a COBOL programmer for
host systems (zOS). I have a few basic questions regarding the
zArchitecture that I can't seem to elicit answers to from my co-workers.
The
In a message dated 7/19/2006 9:07:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ONLY is probably an Edit macro consisting of EXCLUDE ALL followed by a FIND
ALL.
Right. There was a bug in something for a while that rolled everything to
uppercase but it went away a few
Hi,
Would anyone have a project plan for doing the above or any pointers to
documentation that I would find useful when embarking on such a task?
Kind Regards
Mark
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In a message dated 7/19/2006 9:16:59 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The above would find strings such as zzzxyz abczzz, but I think Jim only
wanted to find strings where XYZ comes *after* ABC.
Find only strings PREFIXED with ABC, of this subset find only
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I am of two minds about whether the need for COBOL is dying.
On one hand, it has served (and served well) for many
years and is very well-suited for its original purpose.
Likewise Latin.
Just completed a 4.5 day class on Z/VM Installation and Tailoring for
Linux. First off, it was great to get my hands on VM again after a long
hiatus. Secondly, it was also nice to hear from my classmates that their
sites were putting in Linux under VM as a way to get out of servers back
to
Thanks to all of those that are replying. I've found a wealth of information in
the IBM RD website. They have an issue that details the architecture of the
z990 CPU very clearly. It seems as through IBM is modernizing the arch to
handle more OOE/Superscalar execution as they make a push to SOA
Find only strings PREFIXED with ABC, of this subset find only strings
suffixed with XYZ. Pre come before suf 99.98% of the time.
If a line contains the following string:
zzzxyz abczzz
The second 'word' in the above string is prefixed with ABC. The first word
in the above string is
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:33:46 -0400, John Kington
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I use IDCAMS alter command to add deferred GDS to the base:
ALTER gdg.name.GVxx ROLLIN
Ok with this one. I need to leave it off.
I use IDCAMS delete command to delete the dataset:
DELETE gdg.name.GVxx
Doesn't
If it is not rolled in, there is nothing you need to do. Alternately,
just rename it.
Bob Richards
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:09 AM
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Subject: Re:
I'm trying to research why I am getting a java NullPointerException when I try
to start up Tomcat on z/OS. I go to IBM developerWorks, which wants a screen
name. I put in a screen name, click Submit, and I get -- ta da! -- a
NullPointerException.
Thanks, guys, but what I wanted was
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:57:21 +, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Find only strings PREFIXED with ABC, of this subset find only strings
suffixed with XYZ. Pre come before suf 99.98% of the time.
If a line contains the following string:
zzzxyz abczzz
The second 'word' in the above
Is there an easy way to view the stacktrace?
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Behalf Of Jon Brock
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:24 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Heh. Speaking of Java
I'm trying to research why I am getting a
What I want and would beg for is the ability to use a regular
expression in the ISPF editor. Beats the elided out of those
primitive picture clauses!
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Joe,
I use IDCAMS alter command to add deferred GDS to the base:
ALTER gdg.name.GVxx ROLLIN
Ok with this one. I need to leave it off.
If you do not rollin the GDS, the next time that someone attempts
to create a +1 generation, the system will locate it and write
over it. You really want to
Not so sure,
after the initial rush in 2003-4 to put everything back on the
mainframe, common sense has set in.
While the idea of putting the tamagotchi's under z/VM is a good one - from
all points of view. I have quite a few customers who have migrated away
from z/Linux and z/VM.
The reason -
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:52:22 +0200, John Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe we will have to wait (not so long) for Power PC for zSeries.
Don't hold your breath.
http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html
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That or similiar was what I was referring to ;)
JC
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:52:22 +0200, John Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe we will have to wait (not so long) for Power PC for zSeries.
Don't hold your breath.
http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html
You mean for instance, from the web site referred below, But whereas
iSeries and pSeries share a common processor, the zSeries won't - its
architecture is just too different.
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:09:32 +0200, John Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That or similiar was what I was referring
Wait and see what IBM will say, they have to react, they are losing
z/Linux customers.
You mean for instance, from the web site referred below, But whereas
iSeries and pSeries share a common processor, the zSeries won't - its
architecture is just too different.
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:09:32
My wife and I are looking to spread our wings, move that is.
Is there a site or information available listing metropolis' with the
greatest mainframe shop populations?
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Yes, Linux can run in it's own LPAR with the right processor
configuration. I THINK (and it's lack of personal experience here) that
Z/VM allows for multiple copies running under the supervision of the
hypervisor.
Daniel McLaughlin
ZOS Systems Programmer
Crawford Company
PH: 770 621 3256
*
Yes, it can, but using VM confers some advantages in terms of
flexibility, recoverability, and resource utilization.
John Cassidy's observation about matching the workload to the processor
is on the money, though. We can easily drive our IFL to 100% CPU utilization
just by
Yep -- works great. We currently have 12 Linux guests running on our IFL. For
the most part, everything runs just peachy, but we do run into the occasional
CPU constraint issue. Things will get interesting when we start hitting our
guests a good deal harder than we are now.
Jon
snip
Yes,
Which one? The one on z/OS or the one from the developerWorks site? (I have
since gotten into dW via the oh-so-scientific method of keep doing it until it
works.)
I have a copy of the stack trace from the Tomcat issue, and I am taking it up
with some people who should be able to point me in
Just out of curiousity, why is the zSeries CPU so poor at CPU-intensive
workloads, like Java? Is it the clock speed of the circuitry? Is it
the complexity of the instructions? Is it the fact that the machine does
a lot of internal checking / checkpointing for reliability and recovery?
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Does IBM make a co-processor add-in that can provide an assist for the JVM
overhead?
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Behalf Of McKown, John
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:10 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Why is zSeries so CPU
I could bet the farm that's ECLipz , is code name for hardware emulation at
the micro/milli code level. The new architecture could be framed like
the CELL expecting one or more 390 CPU's married to a network of CELL
processors , which in turn is supported by several other RISC processors
Linux can have a small memory foot print. As far as I know, much of the size of
a kernel image comes from statically compiled modules. If space is a concern,
it's perfectly feasible to omit many kernel modules from the build process and
only keep those required as modules.
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Kuredjian, Michael wrote:
Does IBM make a co-processor add-in that can provide an assist for the JVM
overhead?
zAAPs
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Does zLinux have a kernel patch that allows it to offload the JVM to this
co-proc when running in an LPAR?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:48 PM
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Hello, there
I ran into the message ANTP0102I. Attached are the control card and job
output. Is there something I have missed?
Any comments are appreciated.
//STEP1 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*
It's an interpreted language.
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Behalf Of Goforth, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:56 PM
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zAAPs do not work under zLinux. They only work
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: Why is zSeries so CPU poor?
Does zLinux have a kernel patch that allows it to offload
Tom,
FICON is essentially Fibre
Channel with extra layers to improve security.
Extra layers to improve security?
I would have said that essentially FICON is ESCON encapsulated in Fibre
Channel Protocol.
Ron
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:59 PM
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Subject: Re: Why is zSeries so CPU poor?
It's an interpreted language.
Again, not really. The Java
Correct. The byte code generated by the Java compiler isn't understandable by
any machine except the Java Virtual Machine. The JVM interprets this object
code and relays the calls to those found in the host system's API. Out of
curiosity, how does C++ perform on zOS?
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On Wednesday 19 July 2006 15:12, Willy Jensen wrote:
anybody have an idea of how to clear an existing VSAM KSDS,
apart from REPRO 0 records into it with REUSE?
Program INITKSDS in file 183 of the CBT tape has a RESET option that
deletes all the records (at least, it tries to) in a KSDS.
I don't want to get into either the:
Does IBM need to provide a 64-bit COBOL (for z/OS) compiler
- because of business needs of programmers
or
- because of what it says to their customers about COBOL
Nor
What is the current need for and what is the future of COBOL
UCSD Pascal. It created and ran byte code. It was slower than
It was called p-code.
IIRC, didn't one of the JAVA 'inventors' have something to do with p-code
development?
Also, at one time wasn't it called j-code?
When in doubt.
PANIC!!
Current project: create a CGI that can put
Unicode (UTF-16) data to the client.
But... I can't seem to tell the HTTP server
not to try and translate from EBCDIC - just
send it in binary.
I have a working Assembler CGI. I have now
created a modified version to put out UTF-16
instead of EBCDIC
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:00 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Why is zSeries so CPU poor?
UCSD Pascal. It created and ran byte code. It was slower than
It
On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 13:44 -0500, Ed Gould wrote:
The Largeness of the numbers just floored me back then, so I am not
impressed with 64 bits at all.
I remember once being at a SHARE where an IBMer was talking about the
OfficeVision product. Someone commented from the audience about the
McKown, John wrote:
OK, then why is there such a perception that the zSeries is CPU
underpowered? It is because the other servers are, in reality, usually
one trick ponies, doing only a single function whereas the zSeries is
usually doing literally 100s and even 1000s of functions concurrently?
For a few years, we were presumably in no new COBOL -- just maintain what you
have mode. Oddly enough, our code base seemed to keep growing. Apparently,
some things just write themselves.
For that matter, the whole concept that maintenance is something that could be
performed by mindless
Yeah, p-code. That was what it was called. Ran like crap on an Apple IIe.
I may still have the iAPX 432 POP-equivalent in a box somewhere. It was an
interesting concept but alas turned into another one of those dead-ends.
Maybe Intel or someone will resurrect the concept.
In any case, I'm
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:33:37 -0500, McKown, John
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veilleux, Jon L
Subject: Re: 64-bits is a really big number! - was z/OS level
for SETFRR for AMODE(64)
What's the point if you don't have that much memory and can't
back it on
Hi:
I have this problem with a new tape 3590E k ( green one ) :
CBR4105I No MEDIA3 scratch volumes available in library LIB3494.
CBR4196D Job ZAVAZ169, drive 0D02, volser SCRTCH, error code 140169.
The code 69 indicates there is no scratch volume MEDIA3, but this new
tape
I would have said that essentially FICON is ESCON encapsulated in Fibre
Channel Protocol.
Ron, I don't pretend to be expert in channel protocols, but from what I
read the FICON protocols are quite different from ESCON. I've read that
ESCON does a channel-CU conversation for each CCW in a
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:17:16 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
However, there is a flag in the NVR that says I am a deferred
generation (probably in the catalog as well) and I don't know what
trouble that might cause later.
Wouldn't that be the same flag, Bruce? As I understand
Once again, sub capacity pricing to the rescue. The cost is based on the
largest rolling four hour average. Short duration spikes don't count for
anything.
You set the maximum four hour rolling average on the HMC. And that sets
your maximum software price. You could pay less if your consumption
Since seeing this, I put together an edit macro today as I think I could
find this useful too.
Using your example, you'd enter FM abc*xyz (FM = Find Mask)
This would find
123abc987xyz and abc123xyz987
The default is that the 'abc' and 'xyz' must be in the same word.
There is a parm that
McKown, John wrote:
Since we are recalling the past, IIRC there was some CPU designed and
manufactured to natively execute p-code. It didn't really make a very
good showing in the market.
To be totally off topic: I really liked what I read about the Intel iAPX
432. Built from the ground up to
Be careful with like terms between the PC(intel) world and the mainframe
world. When someone says they have a 64-bit Intel server (Intel,
Solaris, AMD, etc.), it does not mean that the server can access an
address 64-bits long, the 64-bits refers to the width of the bus. So it
can transfer
Give it to me, please.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:19 PM
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Subject: Re: ISPF arbchar
Since seeing this, I put together an edit macro today
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
07/19/2006
at 05:52 PM, John Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Maybe we will have to wait (not so long) for Power PC for zSeries.
That's a marketing issue rather than an engineering issue. You could
get it today if IBM were willing to issue you a z/OS license for your
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 07/18/2006
at 05:26 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN tdell T'[EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
To recap..
Much of that is wrong.
Mainframes don't actually have a backplane that's governed by a bus
arbitrator scheme as some implementation have done in the past.
Some do.
That channel
In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 07/18/2006
at 03:46 PM, Kuredjian, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
1. zOS has a kernel called the BCP, or Base Control Program.
Now. The term kernel in CS carries with it a load of assumptions
that simply don't apply; they aren't even wrong, but totally
meaningless.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/19/2006
at 12:55 AM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
No good programmer I have every known was at all humble,
That depends on what you mean be humility; every good programmer
that I've met was aware of his own abilities *and* of his own
limitations.
even
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 07/19/2006
at 09:57 AM, Jon Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Edsger Dijkstra even made humility the point of a paper he delivered
at a Turing Award lecture, said paper being entitled The Humble
Programmer.
Unfortunately, he displayed supreme arrogance in that very paper
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 07/19/2006
at 10:48 AM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
zAAPs
Those are normal processors; they are not engineered to run Java byte
code more efficiently. They are essentially a marketing gimmick.
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In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 07/18/2006
at 03:36 PM, Allan Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I'm conducting a straw poll trying to establish how many people in
the real world actually use the Workstation Agent part of ISPF and on
what platforms.
I've used ISPGUI, but not most of the WSA services.
In
![EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 07/19/2006
at 11:44 AM, Ray Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
That reminds me of the next great thing in the PC world (which
then was mostly Apple, with a few 8080 and z80 boxes thrown in)
circa 1981 - UCSD Pascal. It created and ran byte code.
ITYM P-code.
is - it's
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
07/19/2006
at 10:39 AM, Laine, Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Can't Linux run in a separate LPAR without the need for Z/VM
installed?
Yes. It is, however, easier to manage multiple images with z/VM.
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In
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 07/19/2006
at 01:29 PM, Kuredjian, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
Does IBM make a co-processor add-in that can provide an assist for
the JVM overhead?
No, but they provide an option to dedicate a processor to Java work at
a lower cost than processors allowed to run
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 07/19/2006
at 12:10 PM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Just out of curiousity, why is the zSeries CPU so poor at
CPU-intensive workloads, like Java? Is it the clock speed of the
circuitry? Is it the complexity of the instructions? Is it the fact
that the machine
On 7/19/06, Kuredjian, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Through the ISPVCALL STATUS function, I found that the system I'm on is
a zArch 2064 with 4 CPUs; however, is there a way I can retrieve the model #
of this system as well?
2064 is the model number, which is a zSeries 900 processor.
On 7/19/06, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2064 is the model number, which is a zSeries 900 processor.
No. 2064 is the CPU type. The model number is a (usually three digit)
number that follows the type, separated by a hyphen. For example,
2064-101.
Semantics in my opinion. I've
To reap what I have sowed.
Most programmers have confidence, which is not to be confused with
arrogance, which has no place in a craft like this. This is a practiced
craft, so I haven't met anybody , with the exception of the Scientist's at
Palo Alto , who could call themselves above their craft
On Wed, 2006-07-19 at 09:54 -0700, George, William (DHS-ITSD) wrote:
Is there a site or information available listing metropolis' with the
greatest mainframe shop populations?
A few of us might like to see a list like that.
Bet it wouldn't include any Australian cities.
Shane ...
topicIs there a site or information available listing metropolises
with the greatest mainframe shop populations?
/topic
Maybe the UN High Commissioner for Refugees would have a list :-)
IMPORTANT
The
Through the ISPVCALL STATUS function, I found that the system I'm
on is a zArch 2064 with 4 CPUs; however, is there a way I can retrieve
the
model # of this system as well?
2064 is the model number, which is a zSeries 900 processor.
No. 2064 is the CPU type. The model number is a (usually
Wouldn't that be the same flag, Bruce? As I understand it, the BCS just
points to the volume and everything else is kept in the VVDS.
Somethings, like the SMS classes are stored in BOTH the catalog and
VVDS. I don't recall if the GDG flag is among them (I'm at home now, no
references)
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Just out of curiousity, why is the zSeries CPU so poor at
CPU-intensive
workloads, like Java? Is it the clock speed of the circuitry? Is it
the complexity of the instructions? Is it the fact that the machine
does
a lot of internal checking / checkpointing for reliability and
recovery?
Well
Bruce,
Ron, I don't pretend to be expert in channel protocols, but from what I
read the FICON protocols are quite different from ESCON. I've read that
ESCON does a channel-CU conversation for each CCW in a chain, with data
blocks in between, but FICON batches up CCWs and usually sends an
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:54:59 -0700, George, William (DHS-ITSD) wrote:
My wife and I are looking to spread our wings, move that is.
Is there a site or information available listing metropolis' with the
greatest mainframe shop populations?
Yes, there is! It will be the City of Baltimore next
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