Re: [JAWS-Users] print screen

[TheHangMan]

Hi,
Try the paint can.
Jorge

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Behalf Of patti
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:57 PM
To: 'jaws users' 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] print screen

Hey Gang,

My print screen key is where the application key should be on this Lenovo
keyboard, so I keep on hitting it.

My question is where do I go to delete all the pictures of the screen I
took, or does it matter?

I have a Toshiba laptop running windows 10, and Jaws 18.

Thanks for any help.

Patti



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Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

[Justin Williams]

The windows pause key works.  I've never used that key before.
Thanks folks,
 Justin

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Behalf Of Gerald Levy 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc


This is definitely on topic for this list.  To get system information for
your computer including whether it is 32 or 64 bit, press Windows key-Pause
and use the JAWS cursor to read the information.  The Pause key is the top
right-most key on your keyboard above the numpad.

Gerald



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From: Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:20 PM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but how do I see if my pc is
34 or 64 bit?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Kenny]

JAWS for DOS. LOL! Those were the good old days. My serial number is 
in the mid 7000. Remember installing JAWS v2 using floppy disks back 
then. Boy how the web has changed. I would love to know how much I've 
spent over the years on SMA renewals. Oh well, it was definitely worth it.


At 06:28 PM 4/14/2017, you wrote:
My serial number is also in the low 1100's.  Though, I began my 
experience with  Jaws version II.  My rehabilitation counselor 
wanted to purchase Jaws for dos for me. I have always regretted not 
allowing her to do so.  Because, I since wanted to have the 
privilege of booting up the computer using the hardware dec-talk 
synthesizer, and Jaws for dos.  I think it is a sad  thing we can do 
nothing prior to Jaws booting itself into windows.  As there is no 
speech prior to windows booting itself. .
- Original Message - From: "George Marshall" 


To: 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:



Hi gang:

Well I'm probably a little older than Dave and Lenny. I first met Ted Henter
when he and I think Derek came down to Fort Myers and they had a seminar at
red lobster, I spoke to both of them at that time don't remember the exact
date. I was using TSI'S speech synthesizer on an IBM 3280. I and my
department director went over to Stuart Florida and watch the demo of an
early standalone computer, we didn't buy it. D I then received a modified
version of the IBM 3280 with speech, it had a little pad that was connected
by a cable that you used to control the speech much like what you do now on
a desktop with jaws for speech. E I don't know that I was first or second to
buy jaws but I can tell you my serial number is in the low 1100s. P it's
been a great trip through version 1 up to 18 now and I've had every version
I have long retired from the school system. A I will be 83 years old at the
end of June, so this probably puts me as one of the oldest on this list. R

Hope this rambling through a little of history helps, tment director

George R. Marshall
geoma4.marsh...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Lenny,

Your age is showing, man.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:22
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he
changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,
I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- From: Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter,
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,
things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being
able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the
same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Kenny]

There's always a problem it seems.

I'm curious? How many sites or applications do JAWS users encounter 
that require JAVA? I know there a lot of on-line gaming sites that 
need it to run their plug-ins. For your own needs is it really worth 
the risks? I mean if Google has taken steps to stop certain programs 
from appearing on their search engine, there must be a serious 
problem. Believe other well known sites have also followed suit.


I would just avoid installing them completely, unless I had full 
flexibility to enable them on a site by site basis. That's what using 
FireFox will give you. That's why I have Adobe Flash installed only 
on FireFox. Some important sites I use haven't switched their web 
players to the new HTML 5 format, thus I have to use Adobe Flash to 
access their content.


At 06:07 PM 4/14/2017, you wrote:
I uninstalled Java about three years ago after the U.S. government 
issued this warning. However, I since read that Oracle had fixed the 
security vulnerability and that the government withdrew its notice. 
Is  this over-simplifying? Is there still a problem?


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Hans 
Pauli Sundstein

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Mike.

If you hav'nt any program that requires java, it is'nt longer 
nesesary to install java, it will only make your computer more unsecure.


Hans Pauli.


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Mike B.
Dato: 14. april 2017 22:46
Til: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Emne: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease 
of Access Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.

Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro.
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

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Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE,
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Mike B.]

Hi Adrian,

Well, my 1st install was from, Ninite, but after enabling the Access Bridge 
I got an error message, & also after rebooting.  Come to find out, the 
Ninite installer installed both 32 & 64 bit versions.  So, I uninstalled 
them both, made sure all Oracle / Java folders were gone from everywhere I 
could think of, cleaned my system with CCleaner, & finally reinstalled with 
an installer I got from Oracle's website.  I enabled the Access Bridge, no 
error messages, rebooted, & no error messages, so I think we gotter whipped. 
Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

I'd forgotten all about that. The answer is yes, as I've just confirmed from 
my notes. But I wish I'd checked them before because I could have saved you 
having to find a good download site.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease of 
Access Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no 
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with 
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro.
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

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Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE, 
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Kenny]

You're absolutely correct. Both JAVA and Adobe Flash are on 
everyone's hit list for having way too many security vulnerabilities. 
It's best you avoid installing them. You get more flexibility 
installing Adobe Flash on FireFox for you can enable it's use on a 
site by site basis. They may have the same option for JAVA.


At 05:40 PM 4/14/2017, you wrote:

Hi Mike.

If you hav'nt any program that requires java, it is'nt longer 
nesesary to install java, it will only make your computer more unsecure.


Hans Pauli.


-Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Mike B.
Dato: 14. april 2017 22:46
Til: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Emne: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease of
Access Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro.
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE,
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Angel238]

My serial number is also in the low 1100's.  Though, I began my experience 
with  Jaws version II.  My rehabilitation counselor wanted to purchase Jaws 
for dos for me. I have always regretted not allowing her to do so.  Because, 
I since wanted to have the privilege of booting up the computer using the 
hardware dec-talk synthesizer, and Jaws for dos.  I think it is a sad  thing 
we can do nothing prior to Jaws booting itself into windows.  As there is no 
speech prior to windows booting itself. .
- Original Message - 
From: "George Marshall" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:



Hi gang:

Well I'm probably a little older than Dave and Lenny. I first met Ted 
Henter
when he and I think Derek came down to Fort Myers and they had a seminar 
at

red lobster, I spoke to both of them at that time don't remember the exact
date. I was using TSI'S speech synthesizer on an IBM 3280. I and my
department director went over to Stuart Florida and watch the demo of an
early standalone computer, we didn't buy it. D I then received a modified
version of the IBM 3280 with speech, it had a little pad that was 
connected
by a cable that you used to control the speech much like what you do now 
on
a desktop with jaws for speech. E I don't know that I was first or second 
to

buy jaws but I can tell you my serial number is in the low 1100s. P it's
been a great trip through version 1 up to 18 now and I've had every 
version
I have long retired from the school system. A I will be 83 years old at 
the

end of June, so this probably puts me as one of the oldest on this list. R

Hope this rambling through a little of history helps, tment director

George R. Marshall
geoma4.marsh...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Lenny,

Your age is showing, man.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:22
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 
I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame 
computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a 
warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so 
he

changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released 
JFW,

I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of 
interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the 
first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted 
Henter,

and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, 
now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more 
ease,

things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was 
the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on 
being

able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish 
the

same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Adrian Spratt]

I uninstalled Java about three years ago after the U.S. government issued this 
warning. However, I since read that Oracle had fixed the security vulnerability 
and that the government withdrew its notice. Is  this over-simplifying? Is 
there still a problem?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Hans Pauli Sundstein
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Mike.

If you hav'nt any program that requires java, it is'nt longer nesesary to 
install java, it will only make your computer more unsecure.

Hans Pauli.


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Mike B.
Dato: 14. april 2017 22:46
Til: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Emne: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease of Access 
Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro.
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE,
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Adrian Spratt]

Mike,

I'd forgotten all about that. The answer is yes, as I've just confirmed from my 
notes. But I wish I'd checked them before because I could have saved you having 
to find a good download site. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease of Access 
Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no 
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with Java. 
JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro. 
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE, & 
Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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[JAWS-Users] java and jaws

[Judy]

Hi, everyone, I enjoyed reading the info about Java. I always thought it was
necessary to keep it up because of how they are doing websites these days,
but now Hans says that it isn't and I am confused. Could someone please
update me on Java, what it now does and what is necessary? When I wrote that
post about a certain site jumping around I was wondering if it had anything
to do with Java not being updated, but maybe that's not the case anymore.
Thanks in advance.  Judy & Libby 

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Hans Pauli Sundstein]

Hi Mike.

If you hav'nt any program that requires java, it is'nt longer nesesary to 
install java, it will only make your computer more unsecure.


Hans Pauli.


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Fra: Mike B.

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Emne: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease of
Access Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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From: Adrian Spratt

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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro.
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

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Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE,
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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[JAWS-Users] print screen

[patti]

Hey Gang,

My print screen key is where the application key should be on this Lenovo
keyboard, so I keep on hitting it.

My question is where do I go to delete all the pictures of the screen I
took, or does it matter?

I have a Toshiba laptop running windows 10, and Jaws 18.

Thanks for any help.

Patti



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Mike B.]

Hi Adrian,

Okay, did you enable the Java Access Bridge in, Control Panel / Ease of 
Access Center / Use the Computer Without a Display link?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message - 
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no 
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with 
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro. 
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE, 
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Adrian Spratt]

That's right, the Bridge isn't necessary anymore. 

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Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi Adrian,

I did finally find, download, & install the correct program, Java 8, but it 
just took me a little time to find it.  So, this is all I need to install then? 
 You say that the bridge isn't necessary any more?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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- Original Message -
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no 
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with Java. 
JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro. 
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE, & 
Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Mike B.]

Hi Adrian,

I did finally find, download, & install the correct program, Java 8, but it 
just took me a little time to find it.  So, this is all I need to install 
then?  You say that the bridge isn't necessary any more?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - 
From: Adrian Spratt
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws


Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no 
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with 
Java. JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro. 
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE, 
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternative to Dropbox for sharing files

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Melissa, there is also Googledrive.

Humberto


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Behalf Of Melissa Hambleton
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alternative to Dropbox for sharing files

I am on an online community forum and a project is to have a print book put
into audio format. Many people are reading different chapters of the book so
the audio files may be different. The book is being put into audio format
because there is not presently a audio version of it to be had. However, the
audio files would be shared among sighted and visually impaired/blind
persons alike.

 

So far the only idea is to have a Dropbox account and share the folder but
then some people may not have or want a Dropbox account.

 

I would like to know if there is any alternative to Dropbox to share a
folder/files with others so others can listen to the book and it also be
accessible for those with vision loss.

 

If I need to clarify anything please let me know and I'll do my best.

 

Melissa 

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[JAWS-Users] JAWS and Power Shell

[Nate Kile]

Hello list, I have a client who is interested in using JAWS to work inside
of the Power Shell environment. Does anyone have any thoughts about this?
Does JAWS have the ability to work freely within the Power shell functions?

Thanks for any thoughts.

Nate

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Adrian Spratt]

Mike,

The important, relatively recent development is that screenreader users no 
longer need to install JAWS Access Bridge in order for them to work with Java. 
JAB is now incorporated into the download. JAB used to be a nightmare.

Java is now produced by Oracle, which bought out its developer, Sun Micro. 
Below is the link to an Oracle page of Java downloads:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index-jsp-138363.html

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:10 PM
To: Jaws-Users List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE, & 
Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

[Mike B.]

With a desktop keyboard layout using the 102 / 104 key keyboard, you have 3 
keys to the right of the, F12, key.  They are Print Screen, Scroll Lock, & 
Pause.
Take care.
Mike
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From: Gerald Levy
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc



This is definitely on topic for this list.  To get system information for
your computer including whether it is 32 or 64 bit, press Windows key-Pause
and use the JAWS cursor to read the information.  The Pause key is the top
right-most key on your keyboard above the numpad.

Gerald



-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but how do I see if my pc is
34 or 64 bit?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

[David Ferrin]

There is no wrong way, or rather one way is no more right than another. FYI 
this is how I do it myself.


-Original Message- 
From: Gail the U. S. Male

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

Hi, there is a much easier way! Go to your C drive. Open it, and look
through your folders, if you have a folder that says program files x86 you
have a 64 bit machine, however if you see only one program files folder,
that says just that "program files, " then you have a 32 bit machine. This
is how VFO group/Freedom Scientific says to do it.

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Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but how do I see if my pc is
34 or 64 bit?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

[Gerald Levy]

This is definitely on topic for this list.  To get system information for 
your computer including whether it is 32 or 64 bit, press Windows key-Pause 
and use the JAWS cursor to read the information.  The Pause key is the top 
right-most key on your keyboard above the numpad.


Gerald



-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but how do I see if my pc is
34 or 64 bit?

Justin

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[JAWS-Users] Java & Jaws

[Mike B.]

Hi All,

What is the recommended version of Java I should install for Windows 7, IE, 
& Jaws?  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Nate Kile]

FYI, I like the word list much better than the find and skim reader is
extremely valuable in some situations as well. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello Adrian,

Yes, you are quite right!  I didn't realize that when in the navigation pane
pressing spacebar still goes result to result and JAWS speaks the found
result.  It seems to me that at one time using the navigation pane to find
text didn't work very well and most people were making the change I
mentioned.  Also, I think at that time a person did have to use F6 and shift
with f6 but not now.  The escape key also now takes focus back into the
document pane.  Also, the JAWS find is a great alternative.  For some
reason, I thought it was limited to only search what is shown on the screen
at a given time.  This isn't the case either.  Changing the CTRL F to apply
to the EditFind command isn't really necessary any more.  Thanks for
pointing these things out.

Take care.  

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

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Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: April 13, 2017 9:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Brian, 

This is useful information, as always, but it does seem a bit complicated.
When I do a control-f search, JAWS reads the current line as soon as the
result is found. It's critical not to press any key until JAWS has
verbalized that line, or else JAWS gives only the option to search for the
next result, with an indication of the total number of results for that
search in the document. 

Having heard the line of text, I have two options. Either I press the
spacebar to move to the next result or press escape to go to re-read and
possibly edit the text. As you explain, the control-f search doesn't land
you directly in the text field.

If I elected to stop the search to check that text but then decide to
continue searching for that same item, I press control-f again. The same
search term is still there, so I just press enter. I'm taken to the next
instance of that search term. Once again, the current line of text is
verbalized, and I have the same two choices: press escape to go into the
text or press spacebar to resume searching.

The alternative, of course, is a JAWS find, adding the JAWS key to
control-f. In this case, JAWS stays in the text when it finds a result, so
you can edit right away. To resume searching for the same term, press JAWS
key-F3.

Each type of search, Microsoft's and JAWS's, has advantages. 

I'm afraid this doesn't address John's concern that the escape key no longer
cancels his search operations. I don't have an answer for that. 

I'm using Office 2010, JAWS 18 (last but one release) and Win7.

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Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor
position and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance
from the left edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch
from the left, this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print
view gives you a lot better understanding of how your document will appear
when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with
F takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the
navigation pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to
get into the document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation
pane and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to
launching the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.  Press enter key.
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Nate Kile]

Hello, the print view is still standard for us. Escape should still take you
out from the find dialog, if not, try Alt/space bar and then arrow down to
close, or press the letter C for close. If alt/space bar does not bring up
that menu, try control/space bar and press C. I am not sure why escape is
not working for you, that is strange.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of patti
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hi,
When I open up a document mine says  print.
What does it say when you have it on accessibility view?
How do you get to it?
Patti


You want accessibility view.  
Justin

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office
2003. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

[Gail the U. S. Male]

Hi, there is a much easier way! Go to your C drive. Open it, and look
through your folders, if you have a folder that says program files x86 you
have a 64 bit machine, however if you see only one program files folder,
that says just that "program files, " then you have a 32 bit machine. This
is how VFO group/Freedom Scientific says to do it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but how do I see if my pc is
34 or 64 bit?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

[Adrian Spratt]

the way I do it is to press the Windows key together with the pause key, which 
is at the far top-right of your keyboard. This lists many details about your 
system. You need to switch to the JAWS cursor to read it. On my system, the bit 
number is about ten lines down.

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Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but how do I see if my pc is
34 or 64 bit?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[Gail the U. S. Male]

Yes, that is all you have to do. And, if you have your machine to connect to
networks automatically, then you won't have to do this again,, unless he
changes his password, or something about his network configuration.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

in order to connect to his wireless do the following after you arrive at his
home. Ask him for his wi-fi password. Next search for manage wireless
networks. Assuming it finds his network tab over to connect and enter the
login credentials he has already given you.

If memory serves that is all you need to do. If I may ask, what city does he
live in?

-Original Message-
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

I live in Houston, and am not currently at my brother-in-laws home. I was
wanting the information for future reference. Thanks for the follow up.

-Original Message-
From: David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

First of all let us both get on the same page.

What have you done so far to connect to the internet? IE are you on wireless
at this point ETC?

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From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

Okay. What is the next step? I am not sure if this would be "performed" in
my internet settings, or what. Thanks for the reply.

-Original Message-
From: David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

The first thing you have to do is go to your brother in laws house and ask
him for his password. More than a few hundred feet away and he might as well
be on the moon for all the good it would do for you.

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From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but
how do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws
home in another city? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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[JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit

[anna vimini]

go into control panel  and enter on system

34 or 64 bit?

Justin



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[JAWS-Users] 32 or 64 bit pc

[Justin Williams]

Not sure if this is appropriate for the list, but how do I see if my pc is
34 or 64 bit?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[patti]

Hi,
When I open up a document mine says  print.
What does it say when you have it on accessibility view?
How do you get to it?
Patti


You want accessibility view.  
Justin

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Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

List, having a couple of issues,

Running windows 10, Office 2010 and latest jaws 18 on a Toshiba laptop: 

1. When I bring up a Word document, jaws announces the name of the document
and at the end says "print view"

Do we want to have documents in print view?  Seems like there was a setting
in options to change this by checking or unchecking a check box with the
space bar. Unless I am remembering incorrectly, seems like print view had
some issues and we were advised to not use print view.

2. When I bring up the find dialogue with Control key plus letter F, after I
have done my search, I cannot get the dialogue to close so I can reload the
Find command to look for something else in the Word document. My sighted
wife says she has to click an X next to the name being searched to close the
find dialogue.  Seems like we used to be able to use the "escape key" to
dismiss the find dialogue.

Thanks for any help.

John

That said, I have no problem using the Jaws find command of jaws key plus
control key and letter f.

Has the operation of the find function been changed? I used to use office
2003. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[jyandt.martin]

He lives in Hewitt, a suburb of Waco. Thanks much for the information.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:56 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

in order to connect to his wireless do the following after you arrive at his
home. Ask him for his wi-fi password. Next search for manage wireless
networks. Assuming it finds his network tab over to connect and enter the
login credentials he has already given you.

If memory serves that is all you need to do. If I may ask, what city does he
live in?

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

I live in Houston, and am not currently at my brother-in-laws home. I was
wanting the information for future reference. Thanks for the follow up.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

First of all let us both get on the same page.

What have you done so far to connect to the internet? IE are you on wireless
at this point ETC?

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

Okay. What is the next step? I am not sure if this would be "performed" in
my internet settings, or what. Thanks for the reply.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

The first thing you have to do is go to your brother in laws house and ask
him for his password. More than a few hundred feet away and he might as well
be on the moon for all the good it would do for you.

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but
how do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws
home in another city? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Maria Campbell]

I'm impressed.  Bless your heart.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
Faithfulness does not begin with large tasks-if it is not present in small 
things, it does not exist at all.

On 4/14/2017 9:29 AM, George Marshall wrote:

Hi gang:

Well I'm probably a little older than Dave and Lenny. I first met Ted Henter
when he and I think Derek came down to Fort Myers and they had a seminar at
red lobster, I spoke to both of them at that time don't remember the exact
date. I was using TSI'S speech synthesizer on an IBM 3280. I and my
department director went over to Stuart Florida and watch the demo of an
early standalone computer, we didn't buy it. D I then received a modified
version of the IBM 3280 with speech, it had a little pad that was connected
by a cable that you used to control the speech much like what you do now on
a desktop with jaws for speech. E I don't know that I was first or second to
buy jaws but I can tell you my serial number is in the low 1100s. P it's
been a great trip through version 1 up to 18 now and I've had every version
I have long retired from the school system. A I will be 83 years old at the
end of June, so this probably puts me as one of the oldest on this list. R

Hope this rambling through a little of history helps, tment director

George R. Marshall
geoma4.marsh...@gmail.com

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Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Lenny,

Your age is showing, man.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:22
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he
changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,
I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message-
From: Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter,
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,
things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being
able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the
same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[David Ferrin]

in order to connect to his wireless do the following after you arrive at his 
home. Ask him for his wi-fi password. Next search for manage wireless 
networks. Assuming it finds his network tab over to connect and enter the 
login credentials he has already given you.


If memory serves that is all you need to do. If I may ask, what city does he 
live in?


-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

I live in Houston, and am not currently at my brother-in-laws home. I was
wanting the information for future reference. Thanks for the follow up.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

First of all let us both get on the same page.

What have you done so far to connect to the internet? IE are you on wireless
at this point ETC?

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

Okay. What is the next step? I am not sure if this would be "performed" in
my internet settings, or what. Thanks for the reply.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

The first thing you have to do is go to your brother in laws house and ask
him for his password. More than a few hundred feet away and he might as well
be on the moon for all the good it would do for you.

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but
how do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws
home in another city? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[John R. Vaughn]

List,
Thanks to Adrian and Brian for excellent approaches to using the find
function.
Again shows how we all on this list can help one another work our way
through using new software. Interesting about the navigation pane.
John in sunny and warm southwest Florida

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Brian,

I'm sure you're right about the changes you describe here because, for a
long time, I avoided using the control-f search command in Word. It's still
useful to keep in mind the directions you lay out, and I'm saving them for
future reference.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello Adrian,

Yes, you are quite right!  I didn't realize that when in the navigation pane
pressing spacebar still goes result to result and JAWS speaks the found
result.  It seems to me that at one time using the navigation pane to find
text didn't work very well and most people were making the change I
mentioned.  Also, I think at that time a person did have to use F6 and shift
with f6 but not now.  The escape key also now takes focus back into the
document pane.  Also, the JAWS find is a great alternative.  For some
reason, I thought it was limited to only search what is shown on the screen
at a given time.  This isn't the case either.  Changing the CTRL F to apply
to the EditFind command isn't really necessary any more.  Thanks for
pointing these things out.

Take care.  

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

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Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: April 13, 2017 9:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Brian, 

This is useful information, as always, but it does seem a bit complicated.
When I do a control-f search, JAWS reads the current line as soon as the
result is found. It's critical not to press any key until JAWS has
verbalized that line, or else JAWS gives only the option to search for the
next result, with an indication of the total number of results for that
search in the document. 

Having heard the line of text, I have two options. Either I press the
spacebar to move to the next result or press escape to go to re-read and
possibly edit the text. As you explain, the control-f search doesn't land
you directly in the text field.

If I elected to stop the search to check that text but then decide to
continue searching for that same item, I press control-f again. The same
search term is still there, so I just press enter. I'm taken to the next
instance of that search term. Once again, the current line of text is
verbalized, and I have the same two choices: press escape to go into the
text or press spacebar to resume searching.

The alternative, of course, is a JAWS find, adding the JAWS key to
control-f. In this case, JAWS stays in the text when it finds a result, so
you can edit right away. To resume searching for the same term, press JAWS
key-F3.

Each type of search, Microsoft's and JAWS's, has advantages. 

I'm afraid this doesn't address John's concern that the escape key no longer
cancels his search operations. I don't have an answer for that. 

I'm using Office 2010, JAWS 18 (last but one release) and Win7.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor
position and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance
from the left edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch
from the left, this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print
view gives you a lot better understanding of how your document will appear
when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with
F takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the
navigation pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to
get into the document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation
pane and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to
launching the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to 

Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[George Marshall]

Hi gang:

Well I'm probably a little older than Dave and Lenny. I first met Ted Henter
when he and I think Derek came down to Fort Myers and they had a seminar at
red lobster, I spoke to both of them at that time don't remember the exact
date. I was using TSI'S speech synthesizer on an IBM 3280. I and my
department director went over to Stuart Florida and watch the demo of an
early standalone computer, we didn't buy it. D I then received a modified
version of the IBM 3280 with speech, it had a little pad that was connected
by a cable that you used to control the speech much like what you do now on
a desktop with jaws for speech. E I don't know that I was first or second to
buy jaws but I can tell you my serial number is in the low 1100s. P it's
been a great trip through version 1 up to 18 now and I've had every version
I have long retired from the school system. A I will be 83 years old at the
end of June, so this probably puts me as one of the oldest on this list. R

Hope this rambling through a little of history helps, tment director

George R. Marshall
geoma4.marsh...@gmail.com 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Lenny,

Your age is showing, man.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:22
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 I
had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame computer
an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left for a warmer
climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over the name so he
changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released JFW,
I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.

-Original Message- 
From: Angel238
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of interest
to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was not the first
company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce".  Founded by Ted Henter,
and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest you to know, Ted henter
was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate again how successful we
blind people can be.  If we just reach for the stars, and develop our
fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How far Jaws has come from
the time when its initials meant Job Access With Speech.  Young people, now
days, are indeed fortunate to be able to accomplish, with so much more ease,
things which much more effort was taken to achieve a half century ago.
Prior to the use of the internet, and when our only printing device was the
typewriter.  Though, then, once a skill was learned, one could rely on being
able to employ that skill for years.  Now, it seems, with such rapid
changes, it seems new skills must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the
same things?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

[jyandt.martin]

David:

I live in Houston, and am not currently at my brother-in-laws home. I was 
wanting the information for future reference. Thanks for the follow up.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

First of all let us both get on the same page.

What have you done so far to connect to the internet? IE are you on wireless
at this point ETC?

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

David:

Okay. What is the next step? I am not sure if this would be "performed" in
my internet settings, or what. Thanks for the reply.

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 7:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

The first thing you have to do is go to your brother in laws house and ask
him for his password. More than a few hundred feet away and he might as well
be on the moon for all the good it would do for you.

-Original Message- 
From: jyandt.mar...@comcast.net

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 8:27 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Linking to internet from outside Home

Morning all.

I have never attempted to do this, so I am uncertain as to the process; but
how do I access a wify signal from outside my home i.e., my brother-in-laws
home in another city? Thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] creators updateRe: A Weird Issue.

[David Ferrin]

My experience is that once you start the process, it does everything itself. 
At the end you start Narrator for the finishing touches until you land on 
your desktop. Then turn off Narrator and proceed normally.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] creators updateRe: A Weird Issue.

when the upgrade begins jaws announces windows is downloading installation
files.  are there any prompts like to begin press spacebar or something like
that.  I would like to upgrade from the upgrade assisstant start it then
just go to work and when I come home will it be done!

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Probably not, but keep one handy for step two in the process.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Howdy Señor Ferrin,

Are you saying then, that the 1st thing to grab, IS NOT, a bleeping hammer?!
LOL  LOL
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - 
From: David Ferrin

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.


Always remember the rule of thumb, start with the easiest thing to fix
first.

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Dave, no, I haven't thought of that, I will though.
I guess I didn't think of that because when the computer boots everything
works like a charm.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Adrian Spratt]

Brian,

I'm sure you're right about the changes you describe here because, for a long 
time, I avoided using the control-f search command in Word. It's still useful 
to keep in mind the directions you lay out, and I'm saving them for future 
reference.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Brian Lee
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 2:40 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello Adrian,

Yes, you are quite right!  I didn't realize that when in the navigation pane 
pressing spacebar still goes result to result and JAWS speaks the found result. 
 It seems to me that at one time using the navigation pane to find text didn't 
work very well and most people were making the change I mentioned.  Also, I 
think at that time a person did have to use F6 and shift with f6 but not now.  
The escape key also now takes focus back into the document pane.  Also, the 
JAWS find is a great alternative.  For some reason, I thought it was limited to 
only search what is shown on the screen at a given time.  This isn't the case 
either.  Changing the CTRL F to apply to the EditFind command isn't really 
necessary any more.  Thanks for
pointing these things out.

Take care.  

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: April 13, 2017 9:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Brian, 

This is useful information, as always, but it does seem a bit complicated.
When I do a control-f search, JAWS reads the current line as soon as the result 
is found. It's critical not to press any key until JAWS has verbalized that 
line, or else JAWS gives only the option to search for the next result, with an 
indication of the total number of results for that search in the document. 

Having heard the line of text, I have two options. Either I press the spacebar 
to move to the next result or press escape to go to re-read and possibly edit 
the text. As you explain, the control-f search doesn't land you directly in the 
text field.

If I elected to stop the search to check that text but then decide to continue 
searching for that same item, I press control-f again. The same search term is 
still there, so I just press enter. I'm taken to the next instance of that 
search term. Once again, the current line of text is verbalized, and I have the 
same two choices: press escape to go into the text or press spacebar to resume 
searching.

The alternative, of course, is a JAWS find, adding the JAWS key to control-f. 
In this case, JAWS stays in the text when it finds a result, so you can edit 
right away. To resume searching for the same term, press JAWS key-F3.

Each type of search, Microsoft's and JAWS's, has advantages. 

I'm afraid this doesn't address John's concern that the escape key no longer 
cancels his search operations. I don't have an answer for that. 

I'm using Office 2010, JAWS 18 (last but one release) and Win7.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as 
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor position 
and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance from the left 
edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch from the left, 
this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print view gives you a 
lot better understanding of how your document will appear when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and 
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with F 
takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the navigation 
pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to get into the 
document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation pane 
and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to launching 
the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.  Press enter key.
7.  Use the tab key to the Press 

[JAWS-Users] creators updateRe: A Weird Issue.

[Kevin]

when the upgrade begins jaws announces windows is downloading installation 
files.  are there any prompts like to begin press spacebar or something like 
that.  I would like to upgrade from the upgrade assisstant start it then 
just go to work and when I come home will it be done!


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:11 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Probably not, but keep one handy for step two in the process.

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 1:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Howdy Señor Ferrin,

Are you saying then, that the 1st thing to grab, IS NOT, a bleeping hammer?!
LOL  LOL
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
Early to bed, early to rise, keep my iHemorrhoids from being a surprise.
- Original Message - 
From: David Ferrin

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.


Always remember the rule of thumb, start with the easiest thing to fix
first.

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi Dave, no, I haven't thought of that, I will though.
I guess I didn't think of that because when the computer boots everything
works like a charm.


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:38 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Did you try another keyboard?

-Original Message- 
From: Subash

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 10:31 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A Weird Issue.

Hi listers, I am experiencing a strange issue windows 8.1 64 JAWS 16.
When the computer boots up, everything works fine, but after it runs for
awhile (an hour aprox), some of the rightside keys start behaving weird.
E.g, the right alt key gets stuck to the control, so if I try to perform an
action with that key, it activates the ctrl +alt function.
The comma (,) and period (.) and question (?) and apostrophy (‘) along with
some of the other keys JAWS says some strange symbols I have no idea what
they are.
This happens in browsers, notepad, ms word and the regular windows apps.
I checked the keyboard settings and haven’t noticed anything out of the
ordinary, and as I said, when the computer boots everything works fine.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

[Angel238]

So, I suppose, if one hadn't "a life", and had nothing better to do with 
their time, one could figure out, from their serial number how many of the 
product sold prior to their acquisition of Jaws?  For example, if their 
serial number was 1,2o1, they were the first to own Jaws.  Outside of the 
employees of the company.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


No, a 4 digit. They started at 1,000 but kept the first 200 for internal 
use.


-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

Do you have a two digit cereal number?  I always wondered whether those
cereal numbers were given in numeric order.
- Original Message - 
From: "Lenny McHugh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:


A little more information. In 1980 Dean Blazy started Maryland Computer 
Systems  where he first released ITS , information through speech, it was 
based on an HP computer. Ted Hinter worked for Dean at that time. In 1980 
I had the world's first talking computer linked to an IBM main frame 
computer an IBM 370. After the first or 2nd winter in Maryland Ted left 
for a warmer climate and started his own company. There was a dispute over 
the name so he changed it to Hinter Joyce.
It was around 1985 when I purchased   jaws for dos. In 1995 he released 
JFW, I was the 47th individual to purchase that product.


-Original Message- 
From: Angel238

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] A look back at history:

On this list, there have been references to "Freedom Scientific".  The 
company which preceded the current company.  Which now owns our adaptive 
screen reading and magnification products.  I think it might be of 
interest to the newer users of Jaws to know:  "Freedom Scientific" was 
not the first company to own Jaws.  The first was "Henter Joyce". 
Founded by Ted Henter, and, I believe Dean Blazy.  It might also interest 
you to know, Ted henter was blind.  He sold the company.  to illustrate 
again how successful we blind people can be.  If we just reach for the 
stars, and develop our fullest potential.  Which we do all the time.  How 
far Jaws has come from the time when its initials meant Job Access With 
Speech. Young people, now days, are indeed fortunate to be able to 
accomplish, with so much more ease, things which much more effort was 
taken to achieve a half century ago. Prior to the use of the internet, 
and when our only printing device was the typewriter.  Though, then, once 
a skill was learned, one could rely on being able to employ that skill 
for years. Now, it seems, with such rapid changes, it seems new skills 
must be learned constantly.  To accomplish the same things?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

[Brian Lee]

Hello Adrian,

Yes, you are quite right!  I didn't realize that when in the navigation pane
pressing spacebar still goes result to result and JAWS speaks the found
result.  It seems to me that at one time using the navigation pane to find
text didn't work very well and most people were making the change I
mentioned.  Also, I think at that time a person did have to use F6 and shift
with f6 but not now.  The escape key also now takes focus back into the
document pane.  Also, the JAWS find is a great alternative.  For some
reason, I thought it was limited to only search what is shown on the screen
at a given time.  This isn't the case either.  Changing the CTRL F to apply
to the EditFind command isn't really necessary any more.  Thanks for
pointing these things out.

Take care.  

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: April 13, 2017 9:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Brian, 

This is useful information, as always, but it does seem a bit complicated.
When I do a control-f search, JAWS reads the current line as soon as the
result is found. It's critical not to press any key until JAWS has
verbalized that line, or else JAWS gives only the option to search for the
next result, with an indication of the total number of results for that
search in the document. 

Having heard the line of text, I have two options. Either I press the
spacebar to move to the next result or press escape to go to re-read and
possibly edit the text. As you explain, the control-f search doesn't land
you directly in the text field.

If I elected to stop the search to check that text but then decide to
continue searching for that same item, I press control-f again. The same
search term is still there, so I just press enter. I'm taken to the next
instance of that search term. Once again, the current line of text is
verbalized, and I have the same two choices: press escape to go into the
text or press spacebar to resume searching.

The alternative, of course, is a JAWS find, adding the JAWS key to
control-f. In this case, JAWS stays in the text when it finds a result, so
you can edit right away. To resume searching for the same term, press JAWS
key-F3.

Each type of search, Microsoft's and JAWS's, has advantages. 

I'm afraid this doesn't address John's concern that the escape key no longer
cancels his search operations. I don't have an answer for that. 

I'm using Office 2010, JAWS 18 (last but one release) and Win7.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Lee
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Print view in MS word

Hello John,

It is really best to work in print view when using Word.  Keystrokes such as
Alt key with delete report the distance in inches between the cursor
position and the edge of the paper.  As you tab you also hear the distance
from the left edge of the paper.  When JAWS says that the cursor is one inch
from the left, this indicates there is a one-inch margin.  Working in print
view gives you a lot better understanding of how your document will appear
when printed.  

In Word 2010, CTRL with F does not perform the traditional Find command and
take focus into the Find tab of the Find and Replace dialog box.  CTRL with
F takes focus into the navigation pane.  You can do a search in the
navigation pane and use the next button to go from result to result but to
get into the document to read the result you need to use shift key with F6.
After reviewing the result you can use F6 to go back into the navigation
pane and use the Next button again.  In order to return the CTRL with F to
launching the Find and Replace dialog box you need to apply the keystroke to
the Editfind command.   

1.  Press Alt F to display the File tab of the ribbon.
2.  Press Alt T to display Word Options. 
3.  Use down arrow key in the categories of options until you get to
Customize Ribbon. 
4.  Tab until you find the Customize button and use spacebar.  
5.  In the Categories list move focus to the Home Tab.
6.  In the Commands list locate EditFind.  You can press the letter E
and then use down arrow until you get to it.  Press enter key.
7.  Use the tab key to the Press New Shortcut Key box.  
8.  Press CTRL+F.  A message in the box shows that the keystroke is
being used for a different command.  
9.  Tab to and press spacebar on the Assign button.
10. Tab to the Close button and use spacebar.
11. Tab to OK and press spacebar.  

I am not sure but you might need to restart Word for the change to apply.

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of John R. Vaughn
Sent: