I think they could be what we call 'skittles' - from a childrens set rather
than the pub variety.
Diana.
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Heather Toomer 'Lace - a guide to identification..' page 143 -
'The manufacture of Valenciennes lace could not survive long after 1900 but
the interest in antique laces at the turn of the century brought a curious
revival. This was the return of laces with the complex snowy ground and
I have a old lace pillow on display in a museum at the moment.
I used a sheet of flexible clear Perspex spread over the vital area and this
I pinned down round the edges.
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I have two of the tool you mean and no they have a metal tip or point with a
lever to grip the material to pull it through the hessian.
I'd wondered about a drop spindle but not being a spinner I have no idea how
these things work - again maybe not!!
Diana in Northants
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Hi Rosemary
Yes I also have a pointed one - I can just about remember 'helping' my
mother make peg rugs usually cutting up the pieces of cloth!
Best wishes
Diana
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Hello Adele
My lace research mainly covers Northants but I've looked at the map for
Keyston and it is virtually surrounded by towns/villages where lace was
made - Thrapston, Raunds, Ringstead, Rushden, Kimbolton, Catworth
and is not too far from Wellingborough where it is believed the Luton
Did anyone else in the UK watch the delicious production of Mrs Gaskell's
Cranford on BBCTV yesterday evening?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/cranford/
A beautiful costume drama - some lace, though I'm not sure about the highly
prized piece left to clean in buttermilk and eaten by the cat - later
Hi Jenny
I was trying to get a better look at the collar the niece(?) was wearing, it
looked to be what I know as the Bucks Point Mary Queen of Scots pattern.
Needlework - I suppose you could include the sewing the doctor did on the
carpenters arm ;o) He used what looked to be a rather large
There was a lovely item on the local news this evening about 'The
Seamstress' statue at Leicester.
I only live just over 20 miles from Leicester but knew nothing about the
statue.
You can see the article at the link below.
Sorry you will have to chop my name off the end of the link or try this one
instead ;o)
http://tourism.goleicestershire.com/lt/News0.nsf/LookupUNID/D1A0F65F965CFCCF802573AE003F667F?OpenDocument
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It was a very fleeting glimpse of Queenie Massey 'lacemaker and beekeeper'
making lace.
I don't think she would have made much of a living at the speed she was
working but looked to have a very fine collection of bone bobbins to work
with!
Some years ago I found a picture of the real Queenie in a
Everything looks fairly correct except maybe the pincushion - too modern
looking. The pillow is what I'd call a plum pudding shape, not a bolster,
and is typical of the East Midlands. The bobbins are spangled bone East
Midlands type.
Queenie seems to be working a narrow edging, though its
Could it be for wig making - I remember some years ago I think it was Mr
Hornsby had hooks for sale.
I still have one which is curved - though of course this has an eye not a
hook - ho hum!
Diana in Northamptonshire
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I have a very large collection of old bone lace bobbins but as far as I'm
aware only one old ivory. Certainly your working lacemaker would not have
been able to afford such a luxury.
Give a thought to the missionaries and people such as Miss Channer who could
have acquired locally made ivory
I remember David Naylor and I'm lucky enough to have two of his beautiful
bobbins one with a hand another with a bell. His bobbins were very popular
and hard to get as he soon acquired a waiting list. Sadly he died quite
suddenly - so his work is precious.
Another at that time who made ivory
Ben Archer has a lovely mother twins bobbin on his website see below:
http://www.ararcherltd.co.uk/index_files/Page457.htm
Diana in a wet, miserable Northamptonshire
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These are also available through Amazon.
Diana in Northants. UK
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I also cannot find a link to this listing but surely the person is doing
nothing wrong merely selling a 'second hand' item - not a reproduction/copy.
This is the whole idea - to sell unwanted items!
Would it be better to send them to landfill - which would benefit no one?
Diana in
Dear Alice
Thanks you so much for the most enjoyable record of your trip.
It was brilliant to read your descriptions of the places I have been and
brought back many happy memories.
And also to read about places I will may never see - which is probably as
well as I felt exhausted just reading
Dear all
Can I put in a word here about old bobbins - bone and wood. Very often old
bobbins have been neglected and stored incorrectly i.e. either in a damp
area or somewhere warm and dry (central heating). Bone seems not to be so
susceptible to temperature fluctuation (unless decorated) but
I seem to remember many years ago my mother having curtain rings very like
those. They had to be sewn onto the curtain material and the curtain wire
was threaded through them - could be wrong though ;o)
Diana in a very hot, sticky Northants
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Has anyone in the UK received their Lace Guild magazine yet?
I'm wondering if I forgot to renew my subs - must check!
Diana in Northants, UK
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The responses seem to confirm what I suspected - that I forgot to renew.
With the best of intentions I always mean to send the cheque straight away -
ho hum! You would think after 25ish years I'd know better ;o).
Diana in Northants
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I saw that as well and when Patsy went to Hanslope in Buckinghamshire I was
hoping there would be some reference to the lacemaking industry there -
sadly not.
Diana in Northamptonshire where there is a rather autumnal feel to the
morning - did I miss summer?
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I make mostly Bucks Point lace with fairly fine thread and I use two hitches
sometime three. This maybe depends on the bobbin as some seem to slip. Also
some heads don't have a deep enough groove to hold the hitch, in which case
I put the hitch on the long neck with the thread.
I use and
In yesterdays Daily Mail there was an article on a newly published book -
adapted by Deborah Collcutt from 'Pop Goes The 'Weasel: The Secret Meanings of
Nursery Rhymes' by Albert Jack. I was interested to read the following
explanation of one old rhyme as the line is found on some old lace
Hi Malvary
You could say
Up and down the city road - the textile/theatre district was outside the
'city'
In and out of the eagle (going into the pub for a drink or two - applies to
above)
That's the way the money goes (when you buy the drink or two)
Pop goes the weasel - down to earth and
I think it was Anthony Newley who did a recording of the verse.
I don't subscribe to chat!
Diana
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I
It's probably time
As the list is quiet at the moment I thought I would tell you what an
enjoyable time I had yesterday. I had three guests for the day, one being
Vera, aged 91, the niece of Catherine C. Channer, she was accompanied by her
son and his partner. Vera is the daughter of Frances Channer, younger
The name of the school wasn't mentioned, the photograph was taken in
Lausanne on Lake Geneva.
Diana
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Dear Diana,
Thank
The mat was designed by Miss Channer, the original was made by Mrs Dixon of
Clapham, Bedford in a class at the Technical Institute in Bedford around
1926.
It was not part of the lace expo at Northampton in 1999.
I think I have some info on the Warren sisters somewhere - now where is
I assume we're referring to the picture on the dust wrapper of the Ruth Bean
reprint dated 1982, as my two earlier editions don't have wrappers. Possibly
Ruth selected a picture which isn't relevant to the 1919 original date of
publication.
In the text (page 222) Wright refers to 'There was
I did a quick search for Dr Habberton Lulham who it turns out was an English
physician and poet (1865 - 1940). Doesn't seem to be any connection with
lacemaking.
Diana
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Hello Jeri
I also have copy of A Sixteenth Century Industry. Probably about fifteen -
twenty years ago I paid £65 for it which then was quite a lot of money - it
still is I suppose!
The dealer included a short provenance including the publishing date of
c1926. He also thought the book was
A while ago the husband a lady on the list from the north of England (I
think) repaired an old bone bobbin for me, replacing the head and neck - and
did a beautiful job. I wonder if said husband would like another small job
;o)
I have one bone and 14 wood old bobbins that I would like
Hello Jean
I was watching his/her listing of 'real' lace bobbins. But they got
themselves into a bit of a muddle and then withdrew the listing. I contacted
them about the shipping of the bobbins to the UK which was £12 - just a tad
too much I thought.
Re this item - haven't got a clue but
I was told many years ago that the old lacemakers paired their bobbins up by
weighing them roughly by the feel in their hands, so that the two bobbins in
a pair weighed approximately the same. Without the means to go out and buy
something new and 'fashionable' I guess they made do with what they
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Diana - what is aqua forte decoration?
Karen in Malta
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I think in Springetts book they explained that the rough pewter was more the
fault of corrosion than the lacemakers preference for raised spots for their
arthritis.
Diana in Northants
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Many years ago when Kettering (Northants) held their first lace day one of
the speakers was the bobbin maker Garth Johns of Geddington. He was one of
the soldiers who help clear Harry Armstrong's lace factory and he recalled
the story to us. He was horrified that he had been involved in such
From Thomas Wright's Romance of the Lace Pillow:
'Catterns was observed chiefly in north Northants and Beds; in the greater
part of lace-land, however, the principal holiday was Tanders (St Andrew's
Day) November 30th.'
Diana in Northants
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Amazing item on eBay no 120328659264
Antique bobbin lace mourning memorial made of human hair - the hair of Anne
Clerke.
Diana in Northants
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I downloaded the picture which is quite clear. I think there is a chance it
could be BL.
Diana
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The beautiful piece of hair lace in the collection of Northampton Museums is
needle lace and is in varying shades of blonde and light brown - we were
lucky to be able to display it in the expo in 1999.
Some years ago someone asked if I could make a piece of lace from horse
hair. They supplied
Hello Andrea
In the little book published by Liz Knight on Harry Armstrong and the Bucks
Cottage Workers' Agency of Olney there is a picture of a trade stand in
Buffalo, Canada. Pictured on the right is Harry's sister Hilda Armstrong ,
in the background is a lady seated at a lace pillow. On
Hello Jean
Yes it was dark. I think maybe it had been 'detached' from the animal for
some time would that have made it more brittle?
Diana
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That is so beautiful and evocative - thank you Noelene.
Diana in Northants
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And another painting (watercolour) at
If anyone is interested there is a copy of the Santina Levey book on ebay
360112091504 - starting bid £35.
Diana in Northants
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It might be of interest to some on the list - I've just received a Christmas
card from Ann. In her message she tells me that fan number 178 is now
underway. Her lace fan book is being translated into Russian and also one of
her fans is included in the Fan Museum calendar - the only modern one.
Taken from Conditions of the Working Class, by Frederick Engels, 1844.
'Another branch of lace making, bobbin lace work is carried on in the
agricultural shires of Northants, Oxford and Bedford chiefly by children and
young persons, who complain universally of bad food and rarely taste meat.
I remember watching a lady in one of the finest lace shops in Bruges who
amazed customers at the speed in which she worked.
But under closer scrutiny what she was doing with the bobbins most of the
time was rolling, rattling and tapping with such a rhyme - it would take
another lacemaker to
I was told the large holes that are typical of Tonder lace are called
Copenhagen Holes.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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On eBay at the moment is postcard of a Honiton lacemaker named as H B
Goodman. Does anyone know anything about the lady - as the card doesn't
appear to be too old maybe she is still around.
No reason - just curiosity. Item number 120366619539
Diana in Northants
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Hello Leonard
..and page 30 shows the lovely Paisley Pear lace (from Northampton
Museums collection) with the Pear outlined with tallies.
I would like to add my compliments to David on a beautiful piece of work - I
love the photograph of work in progress which shows you have
Some more 'I don't know what they are so I'll call them bobbins' on eBay.
Item number 160318638519
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Can anyone suggest some equivalent threads to Finca 80 please.
Diana in Northants where its bright and sunny but a bit on the chilly side.
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I'm not keen on the Brok threads so much prefer the Tanne 80 option.
I shall be using it for a floral Beds motif - adapted by Anita Wilkinson
from one of the old units prickings - so adding an extra pair here or there
shouldn't be a problem.
Thank you to the people who offered suggestions.
Hello Brenda
I'm doing as the expert tells me and I've started winding with the Egyptian
cotton 80 - thanks for the advice.
Regards
Diana
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Another version of the message occasionally found on old lace bobbins
XXUR
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Diana in Northamptonshire where there is a very chilly wind blowing - March
winds etc
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May I make one small point regarding the 'Channer' mat. As far as is known
Miss Channer designed but did not work it, the example shown in old
photographs was worked by Mrs Dixon of Clapham, Bedford, at one of the
classes of the Bedford Technical Institute c1926.
The mat is in the collection
Hello Jeanette
Yes that would be Luton though I'm not sure the room setting is still there.
I think the only other such setting was at the former Alby Lace Museum in
Norfolk.
The story regarding a worker only producing one or two patterns in her life
I've heard before and find rather hard
Also beware of folds and creases - acid free tissue can be crunched up into
tube or sausage shapes and inserted into sleeves etc.
Diana in Northants
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Certainly Miss Channer as the daughter of a country parson would have fitted
into this category. Part of her education took place in Switzerland but she
went on to learn the craft of lacemaking to the extent that she became the
'expert' most lacemakers would recognise by name. She was a member
A request for Jeri (or anyone else with the know how) - I know your forte is
the preservation of costume and textiles but what recommendations do you
have for storing old wood and bone lace bobbins?
I know what some of you will say - that bobbins are to be used - and I would
agree to a point.
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Don't store them - use them!
Dee Palin
Warwickshire
As I said I know what some of you will say - that bobbins are to be
I'm a bit different in my choice as I wouldn't grab a 'how-to' book - I'd
take Thomas Wright's The Romance of the Lace Pillow - so much history and
info. Though I would still like to take the bobbins, thread etc.
Diana in Northants where its misty and murky
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Possibly the length of the leash is also reflected in the way each of us
handles
the bobbins - we develop our own 'style'.
Beginners to lacemaking tend to be trying to watch the lace, threads and
hands, as confidence grows the hands take on a way of working by
themselves - like autopilot ;o).
Another strange lace bobbin? on ebay - check out item number 180351848358.
Diana in Northants
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I collect, and have studied, old lacemaking equipment used in the East
Midlands and I've never seen a winder with this configuration, usually old
bobbin winders are used sideways on with the wheel handle to the right and
the cup to hold the bobbin on the left - I have three all like this in my
In deepest, darkest Northamptonshire its sky blue pink with black and white
spots!
Diana
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A gentleman named Mr Shaw I believe from Doncaster was making a lot of bone
bobbins, I would think during the early nineties.
Also Tony Archer (later son, Ben) - if you had to join a long waiting list
then it would have almost certainly been him.
Good luck Carrie.
Diana in Northamptonshire
The inner edge is chemical, the outer edge looks to be Valenciennes -
possibly handmade.
Diana
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About 26 years ago I stumbled upon lace at a meeting of the 'Young Wives'
where the speaker was a local teacher of lacemaking - she came, I saw and I
was conquered!! The next day the very helpful speaker loaned me pillow and
bobbins and I was off. I knew straight away that I wanted to make
I received my Lace magazine (about two weeks ago) but still await the
newsletter from the Lace Society - has anyone received theirs yet?
Diana in Northants
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I had a such shock as at exactly the second I clicked on this link the power
here went off, alarms were going off all around and I thought I had
triggered a major shut down :-( I was so relieved when the power returned
after about an hour!
So please forgive me if I don't have another go!!
I know there is a way of dating the Encyclopedia of Needlework by Th.de
Dillmont by the number printed inside the book.
I have a copy with the number 630 can anyone on arachne tell me the date
this edition was published? An interesting addition is the name Winifred
Ward, Art Needlework Depot,
, London S.E.11.
Thank you for the info.
Best wishes
Diana - we had a torrential downpour but no storm.
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An interesting item on eBay. Click on the link.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ANTIQUE-VICTORIAN-BONE-THREAD-WINDER-HOLDER-or-BOBBIN_W0QQitemZ260455836135QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Crafts_Sewing_Supplies_MJ?hash=item3ca460a9e7_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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It looks like it could be something to slide under the needlelace while
working to raise a small area. Springetts used to give away a small
inscribed 'rolling pin' on their needlelace courses for this purpose.
Of course I may be wrong!!
Diana in Northants
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This could be the 'type' of thing you mean - it might be worth asking re
shipping.
http://www.euroffice.co.uk/i/7GB/5-Star-Premier-3-Flap-Elasticated-File-Polypropylene-Dark-Blue-Pack--5?AFF=PR908838
Diana
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These on ebay say they will ship internationally.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PK-5-CLEAR-A4-3-FLAP-ELASTICATED-FOLIO-FILES-Q-CONNECT_W0QQitemZ370159665281QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_BOI_Office_Office_Supplies_Stationery_ET?hash=item562f3c4081_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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Though the dealer does say handmade and hand sewn nowhere does the word
'bobbin' appear - just splitting hairs ;o)
Whatever it is the design is amazing.
Diana in Northants
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More mystery items on eBay suggested as being lace bobbins. Item number
370269613920.
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I'm sure someone produced a folder a few years ago, of instructions and
patterns for Mechelen Lace very much like the Binche syllabus ones.
I had a copy but sold it in eBay when I was having a sort out of my book
shelves :o(
Diana in showery Northants
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Does anyone have an email address for Nicky Howener-Townsend - the author of
the book 'Suffolk lace and the lacemakers of Eye'? Or alternatively could
someone pass on a message.
I purchased the book at a lace day on Saturday - very interesting - and I
may have some info for her.
Diana in
Many thanks to everyone who replied, I have made contact with Nicky.
Diana in a dull, chilly Northants
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I agree they are not by Diane Miller, and I don't think they are all by the
same maker.
There could some by Malcolm Fowler and also maybe Bob Martin.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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Has anyone else noticed this person on eBay selling handmade lace edged
handkerchiefs for £14.98 each, there are several listings as 'Buy it Now'
with 10 available of each listing.
Registered as a business in Southampton. Judging by the blurb by
'karizma-lace' they don't know a lot about
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Diana,
Item number 250531072130 then click on See other items.
Interesting. Whilst this item is still there, there are now
I can also agree with what Clay has written.
From a Belgian friend of a friend regarding signing the petition and sending
money her words were 'DON'T DO IT' .
Diana in Northants
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I don't know where they got the info for that picture and the one of the old
gent also making lace. I have a very large archive of photographs of
Midlands lacemakers recorded with any information.
The lady is Mrs Burton of Kempston in Bedfordshire, c1912. The male
lacemaker is from
I looked at my copy of the reprinted book on Tonder Lace by Emil Hanover and
though I could find no thistles the same general design layout is found in
some of the
laces he describes as Tonder Lille types.
'Regency Point' has no gimps around the outside of cloth areas so I think I
would
rule
I'm looking for a pattern for a wedding garter (with instructions -not for
making the lace but the finishing) and wonder if anyone on arachne can help.
Many thanks
Diana in Northants (where a hard frost took the temperature down to minus 5
last night - br... ).
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I'm working on some research into lacemakers/lacemaking in the East Midlands
and on several occasions the name Arthur A. Carnes has cropped up. He is
acknowledged in the book by Thomas Wright and is also mentioned in the book
by Miss Anne Buck on Thomas Lester and also her book In the Cause of
Please can anyone recommend an equivalent to Madeira Tanne 50?
Many thanks
Diana in Northants where the days at last seem to be getting longer -
yippee!!
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Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply to my request. Though
completely new to me the Aurifil sounds just perfect.
Diana in Northants
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I don't get a lot of time to make lace these days but when I do its usually
Bucks and I have a stash of old tried and tested threads that I can use so
haven't invested in any new ones for years.
The thread I need is for fine Torchon so its a nice surprise that there is
such a range of colours
Sorry - just a typing error by me I think :(
Diana
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From: Ilske Thomsen ilske-peter-thom...@t-online.de
To: Arachne lace@arachne.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Tanne 50 equivalent
Dear Lacefriends,
sorry but I got confused when
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