-
Subject: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
LC :) I'm only aware of a 'almost' religion-like discussion. Of course
reading your conversation makes me aware of how little I do know about
different several standards and processes exist. So my 'adding water'
phrase
was meant
]]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:39 AM
To: LEAF Development
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
On 2/28/02 at 4:24 PM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, LEAF/LRP has in its unwritten feature set
that users must log in. I have on occasions removed
tinylogin
Adding water to a boiling and already full kettle...
Why can't we use a concept similar to this:
assume
vfat is used
/assume
Package name: pppd-2.1.4
Package files: pppd-2.1.4-bin.lrp, pppd-2.1.4-conf.lrp
pppd-bin.lrp contains all necessary binaries and 'non-editable' scripts,
-Original Message-
From: David Douthitt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 3:39 AM
To: LEAF Development
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
[snip]
It sounds almost like you want a minimal set of enumerated binaries and
functions
Correcting subject line. Done :)
I honestly cannot express myself in very fluently in English.
Therefore, you will have to bear with me for a while. Try to
rearrange my sentences so that they make some sense.
Comments below start with LC
[snip]
Adding water to a boiling and already
It sounds almost like you want a minimal set of enumerated binaries and
functions, and then Oxygen would add set X and Dachstein would add set Y.
Nope. No. Nein. Niet. Non. :-)
There is NO baseline.
There is one standard: the formation of a package.
The final decision on a configuration
Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
It sounds almost like you want a minimal set of enumerated binaries and
functions, and then Oxygen would add set X and Dachstein would add set Y.
Nope. No. Nein. Niet. Non. :-)
There is NO baseline.
There is one standard: the formation of a package.
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:55:22 -0600
From: David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
To: LEAF Development [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/27/02 at 4:28 PM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are working
On 2/28/02 at 4:24 PM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, LEAF/LRP has in its unwritten feature set
that users must log in. I have on occasions removed
tinylogin and replaced the getty lines in
/etc/inittab with /bin/ash /dev/ttyn /dev/ttyn 21.
This is similar to what
Development
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 23, 2002 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
[out of sequence :)]
Clearly, LEAF is designed to allow packages to overwite each other's
files.
Not designed to. It's just that the more capabilities you put into
You
Hello all,
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 23:20:07 -0600
From: David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
To: LEAF Development [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was thinking...
If you make root.list contain specific files
On 2/23/02 at 11:52 AM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In all kindness, please use the setup that is most
confortable for you. As soon as you move ./ out of the
RAM disk, you get all kinds of benefits.
However even with the original idea, root.lrp was NOT supposed to
change. So
At 2002-02-18 23:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
Well, that's not quite what I had in mind. For me, I was thinking
more along the lines of:
A distribution developer perhaps runs a script, writes some shell
code, etc. - and creates a package (or shell script, really) which
tests for various
Hello all,
I apolologize for leaving in the middle of an important conversation.
Unfortunately, this will happen from time to time. Life gets in the way :-)
Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:26:00 -0800
From: Matt Schalit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due
I apolologize for leaving in the middle of an important conversation.
Unfortunately, this will happen from time to time. Life gets in the way
:-)
Leaving in the middle? I never even got involved :
Hopefully it's not too late to start jumping in...
My personal experience is that you ride
-Original Message-
From: Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 19, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
It's the falling off and turning into Christopher Reeve
Serge Caron wrote:
I apolologize for leaving in the middle of an important conversation.
Unfortunately, this will happen from time to time. Life gets in the way :-)
I, too, have been erstwhile distracted and now is not the best time to
take on all detractors.
It is disconcerting when one's
Serge Caron wrote:
[ snip ]
In the long term, I want to be able to run from secure media. In the short
term, I use CD for write protected storage and floppy for write-enabled
storage (wich I write-protect between sessions :). Suppose a package
designer stores something in /etc/mypackage
On 2/19/02 at 6:25 AM, Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 2002-02-18 23:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
David,
This would be great. We definitely need a way to test
packages against current releases/branches. Will
redirection to file of output created by the package test
run be
I was thinking...
If you make root.list contain specific files, and move the
specification of ./ to another package, that raises some interesting
things What if instead of gloming onto home.lrp, you create
overflow.lrp or default.lrp?
One nice benefit would be that if that package grows,
On 2/19/02 at 2:25 PM, Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Actually, while I haven't been real involved in the
disucssions here lately, I have been doing a bit of LEAF
oriented work. I've been investigating the Gentoo ebuild
process, and checking out some potential scripting
On 2/17/02 at 5:52 AM, Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 2002-02-16 21:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
I was thinking one would run this script in a LEAF
environment - and it would be set up by a developer, who
defines what is needed. Then you could boot Oxygen (or
PacketFilter,
At 2002-02-16 21:31 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
I was thinking one would run this script in a LEAF environment - and
it would be set up by a developer, who defines what is needed. Then
you could boot Oxygen (or PacketFilter, or...) and run this script
which tests the environment.
David,
On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps what we NEED is a test suite - a sort of
minimalist autoconf which details what works and what
doesn't...
Like this:
Checking for busybox date no
Checking for busybox install no
Checking for ip... yes
Checking
At 2002-02-16 07:25 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps what we NEED is a test suite - a sort of
minimalist autoconf which details what works and what
doesn't...
Like this:
Checking for busybox date no
Checking for
David,
I should know better than to post this early in the morning. I didn't
express myself well. See in-line comments below for an explanation. Sorry. :-(
At 2002-02-16 05:42 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
At 2002-02-16 07:25 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt [EMAIL
On 2/16/02 at 6:20 AM, Mike Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 2002-02-16 05:42 -0800, Mike Noyes wrote:
At 2002-02-16 07:25 -0600, David Douthitt wrote:
On 2/15/02 at 10:15 PM, David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps what we NEED is a test suite - a sort of
minimalist autoconf
I would just like to thank everyone for this discussion.
Due to limited examples and precise wording designed to
be clear (but somehow let most of the information vague),
I am finally coming into a more complete understanding
of what was originally proposed, and what direction some
developers
Correction: my bad . . .
Michael D. Schleif wrote:
Voilà!
Serge Caron wrote:
Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude.list files -- define
Correction #2: my bad . . .
Michael D. Schleif wrote:
Voilà!
Serge Caron wrote:
Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude.list files --
David Douthitt wrote:
On 2/14/02 at 8:05 AM, Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that it is available; but, it is *not* included in
DCD -- is it included in Oxygen? I do not argue against
its usage; rather, I am often frustrated by lack of real
awk, sed and sort --
David Douthitt wrote:
On 2/14/02 at 4:36 PM, Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, /var/log is the standard residence of logfiles.
Is it? Only in Linux apparently; my Unixware and HP-UX systems use
/var/adm/syslog.
I am sorry that you always miss my point.
We are
At 2002-02-15 09:58 -0600, Michael D. Schleif wrote:
How many times need I state: ``NO, I am not advocating any system of
commandments and laws, transgression of which invokes the ire of the
greater community; rather, I believe that it is important -- no,
critical -- that I, as LEAF user and,
Serge Caron wrote:
[ snip ]
I am waiting for a plane and cannot do that right now. I suggest you visit
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/scaron/leaf.htm with a fresh eye and mess
around with the discussion.img floppy.
Please take apart root.lrp before you start (just for fun!). If I
Michael D. Schleif wrote:
David Douthitt wrote:
[snip]
Not only is standardization impossible, but the little variances are
what makes a distribution individual and perhaps better than others.
Nothing is impossible.
In fact, your dependent clause, again, is my point! We have
At 2002-02-15 15:34 -0800, Matt Schalit wrote:
That doesn't work. This place is just a central location
for people to congregate. I don't think it's a top down,
standards producing enumeration of anything. But that's
just what I took from Mike Noyes's explanation of what
LEAF was when I
Serge Caron wrote:
Hello Matt,
First, the important stuff:
or any of us lacked passion. That's kind of insulting. And what
Please accept a direct apology from me to you for no other reason than the
fact that your feelings were hurt.
No problem, my feelings weren't hurt. I was
On 2/15/02 at 9:58 AM, Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Douthitt wrote:
On 2/14/02 at 4:36 PM, Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, /var/log is the standard residence of logfiles.
Is it? Only in Linux apparently; my Unixware and HP-UX
Hello Michael,
Glad to be of service!
I am confused ;
[1] Shouldn't your sed process:
sed -e /^etc/d -e /^[/]etc/d -e /^[.][/]etc/d \
${pkg} ${pkg}.light
actually be this?
sed -n /^[./]*etc/p ${pkg} ${pkg}.light
I am only concerned with deleting lines that start with etc...,
Serge Caron wrote:
Glad to be of service!
I am confused ;
[1] Shouldn't your sed process:
sed -e /^etc/d -e /^[/]etc/d -e /^[.][/]etc/d \
${pkg} ${pkg}.light
actually be this?
sed -n /^[./]*etc/p ${pkg} ${pkg}.light
I am only concerned with deleting lines that start
Hello again,
This is where I get lost. When you said:
``When I want to backup, I simply remove the write protect tab on the
floppy. I can assure you that it takes a lot of config data to fill
1.6Mb of compressed space.''
I thought that you were backing up *only* config data. How does your
Serge Caron wrote:
This is where I get lost. When you said:
``When I want to backup, I simply remove the write protect tab on the
floppy. I can assure you that it takes a lot of config data to fill
1.6Mb of compressed space.''
I thought that you were backing up *only* config data.
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 13:54:34 -0800
From: Matt Schalit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hey Serge,
Hello Matt,
First, the important stuff:
or any of us lacked passion. That's kind of insulting. And what
Hello Michael,
[ snip ]
Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude.list files -- define
which files comprise the ${pkg} package -- correct?
Once you
Serge Caron wrote:
[ snip ]
mds said:
By-the-by, this is considerably faster:
sed -e /^[./]*etc/d ${pkg} ${pkg}.light
Linux people are usually more intelligent than I am. Your sed mask allows
for stuff like ...etc and ../../../etc and all kinds of ganes that I prefer
not to play
Voilà!
Serge Caron wrote:
Let me reduce my confusion to its firstmost problem: How does your sed
process facilitate ``*I don't backup program binaries*''?
AFAIK, ${pkg}.list files -- _minus_ ${pkg}.exclude.list files -- define
which files comprise the ${pkg} package -- correct?
Once
Hello again,
-Original Message-
From: Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 14, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
Nevertheless, since all backup operations
-Original Message-
From: Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: February 14, 2002 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
Voilà!
[snip]
Only concentrate on those two etc entries
On 2/14/02 at 8:05 AM, Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that it is available; but, it is *not* included in
DCD -- is it included in Oxygen? I do not argue against
its usage; rather, I am often frustrated by lack of real
awk, sed and sort -- not to mention cmp and diff ;
On 2/14/02 at 4:28 PM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:34:18 -0600
From: David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Re: Standards and due process :-)
To: LEAF Development [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/13/02 at 8:16 PM
On 2/14/02 at 3:34 PM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Linux people are usually more intelligent than I am. Your
sed mask allows for stuff like ...etc and ../../../etc and
all kinds of ganes that I prefer not to play :). Following
your intervention, the original sed command now reads
On 2/14/02 at 4:36 PM, Michael D. Schleif [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example, /var/log is the standard residence of logfiles.
Is it? Only in Linux apparently; my Unixware and HP-UX systems use
/var/adm/syslog.
For example, the root directory (/) should be residence to
directories *only*
Hello Michael,
God! its good to see words like passion in this otherwise hum-drum list.
Not only am I not crititical of your position (I entirely support it!!!), I
will repeat that you are free to answer (or not) at your convenience and on
your terms.
And I will respectfully read whatever you
Serge Caron wrote:
Hello Michael,
God! its good to see words like passion in this otherwise hum-drum list.
Not only am I not crititical of your position (I entirely support it!!!), I
will repeat that you are free to answer (or not) at your convenience and on
your terms.
And I will
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:06:06 -0600
From: David Douthitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Leaf-devel] Standards and due process :-)
To: LEAF Development [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 2/11/02 at 11:31 PM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here is a sequence
Serge Caron wrote:
[ snip ]
By formulating the concept of a default store and that of an exclusion list,
here is _what_I_do_today_ : I boot from a CD which gives me all the storage
I need for the job at hand. I define my default store to be on the _floppy_.
So far, so good? Then I have
On 2/13/02 at 8:16 PM, Serge Caron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By formulating the concept of a default store and that of
an exclusion list, here is _what_I_do_today_ : I boot from
a CD which gives me all the storage I need for the job at
hand. I define my default store to be on the _floppy_. So
Serge =
Serge Caron wrote:
I got my first paycheck from a computer center (as they were called then :)
in September 1970. You do the math. It is obvious that your message below
was heathfelt and the product of a long experience. I respectfully request
that you humor me into reading this
58 matches
Mail list logo
