Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
Bill, In my case someone 'pirated' my data (which I had a surety level of 1) put it on RootsWeb (level 4) with me as Source. He then added stuff I never had, to me as the source. By the time I realized the situation, the culprit had died, and Rootsweb said they could not remove someome's data, except through the person or his representatives permission. I gave up, changed servers (not related to this), but people still find me?! 20 years later. He used the wrong information to get in the Mayflower group. I don't care anymore about messes he made in my name. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: William H. Boswell whbosw...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 5:27:20 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I think you misunderstood my stance on this. I'm not talking about vital record data and the like. I'm talking about specific information that no one else had access to. For instance, I have hundreds of hours of audio interviews where specific information was transcribed and passages used in my notes. Some of this information has shown up word-for-word in other people's trees. If I don't own that information, then who does since it is not publicly available and I still have the original recordings and there are no public copies. Since I had put some of that information online that is my mistake. Most of this information was online for many years because at the time the intentions of most people were good, but lately there seems to be more pirates than good intentions so I took it down. I wouldn't mind so much that the information is used, but the thiefs could at least cite where they got it from instead of taking ownership of my own data. Things like dates and places could have come from anywhere so how can I know where that came from. Specific information word-for-word I can tell if it came from my data. The only thing I ask is that they show some respect for those of us who spent the time and money to research it. Obviously they didn't. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
I guess I should jump in here even though I wish or think this thread is just about over. Maybe I'm misreading some previous posts but I think there have been several misleading statements about content that is uploaded to Ancestry.com. Pardon me, Millennia Corp., but you do have their link on your program menu so this needs to be said. If you go to Ancestry.com or RootsWeb.com and click on COPYRIGHT at the very bottom of the page, you'll find the following statement: Content which has been contributed to public areas of Ancestry sites listed above by users remains the property of the submitter or the original creator and we are a licensed distributor of such content. It then continues with: Occasionally, a person may feel that content submitted by another user is their property, or is covered by the copyright of someone other than the submitter. Please remember that we are only the distributor of user supplied content and the submitter, not Ancestry, is the one who has violated copyright if such a violation has occurred. However, we will respond to substantiated claims of violation. On another page which explains their Acceptable Use Policy (AUP), this appears: By submitting Submitted Content to RootsWeb.com, you grant Ancestry, the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the Submitted Content to use, host, and distribute that Submitted Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Submitted Content. I have not found anywhere where they state that they own the submitted data. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: William H. Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 6:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I think you're directing this to the person that asked about uploading to Ancestry.com under their terms and conditions. Mine was uploaded to Rootsweb's Freepages prior to the Ancestry.com takeover which came under different terms and conditions that did not state anything like this. I removed mine shortly after the Ancestry.com takeover because I did not agree with their terms at that time. I rarely used Ancestry.com's online trees and when I did my trees were usually private. The ones that weren't private I knew the risk and didn't care because I intended to offer the information freely since they were distant lines that were more beneficial to others than to me. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of CE Wood Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy When you upload to a website that warns that IT now owns your material, you have given away your ownership. It is then is up to Ancestry to pursue. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of William H. Boswell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I think you misunderstood my stance on this. I'm not talking about vital record data and the like. I'm talking about specific information that no one else had access to. For instance, I have hundreds of hours of audio interviews where specific information was transcribed and passages used in my notes. Some of this information has shown up word-for-word in other people's trees. If I don't own that information, then who does since it is not publicly available and I still have the original recordings and there are no public copies. Since I had put some of that information online that is my mistake. Most of this information was online for many years because at the time the intentions of most people were good, but lately there seems to be more pirates than good intentions so I took it down. I wouldn't mind so much that the information is used, but the thiefs could at least cite where they got it from instead of taking ownership of my own data. Things like dates and places could have come from anywhere so how can I know where that came from. Specific information word-for-word I can tell if it came from my data. The only thing I ask is that they show some respect for those of us who spent the time and money to research it. Obviously they didn't. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
You don't say which Ancestry records you are linking to. Are they official records like census, or are they submitted trees? Official records should be more acurate- trees are variable to say the least. Some have been carefully researched and others have been flung together, with little thought for accuracy. Be very careful:-) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
are they submitted trees? Be very careful:-) Thanks for the warning. No I always go right to the original documents - birth, marriage etc. I have already had the experience of someone else taking my research and plugging it into their tree where there is no evidence to indicate we are linked at all. That's why I am a little concerned about uploading to ancestry - people pirating. I assume there is a risk. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
I wouldn't count on anyone asking permission. Only one time have I had someone ask permission to use something from my website and it was a magazine that wanted to publish one of my photos. I gave them permission and they even sent me a copy of the magazine it was in. Other than that, it's take and run these days. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
It sounds like me. If I download from a tree, I only take the pertinent information by copying and pasting directly from the page to a text file with a note as to where it came from. Other people's trees are highly suspect if there are no sources. No sources usually equals it was taken from another tree that also had no sources. As I was told years ago by someone, if there are no sources the website is usually the source. If the information has been copied a dozen times without any sources then it is practically impossible to verify unless you can find the original source website. I never listed any sources because for some people it's just grab and run and if they have your entire file then you've just done their genealogy for them at your own expense. I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. Ancestry.com's new Family Tree Maker 2010 will download your entire online tree at their site along with photos. Getting it into Legacy is a nightmare as I've discovered. If you go that route, you would have to use FTM to merge the data and images, but keep Legacy updated at the same time by copying over the data manually and linking the images manually as well. I did this between two programs for years including FTM. The one thing I've been telling people for years is to do all your data keeping in the software and upload not the other way around. You never know what trick the company is going to pull so that your online data is no longer downloadable. At least if you keep it local you have some control over it. You can always download the images and copy/paste the text right into Legacy. I never did a merge directly into my file but a separate file until I was absolutely certain this was the correct family. Many times it wasn't. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Mary Horner Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 11:59 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy are they submitted trees? Be very careful:-) Thanks for the warning. No I always go right to the original documents - birth, marriage etc. I have already had the experience of someone else taking my research and plugging it into their tree where there is no evidence to indicate we are linked at all. That's why I am a little concerned about uploading to ancestry - people pirating. I assume there is a risk. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
That's why I prefer to not use any information obtained online. It's good for reference or clues, but that's about it. I always look for an alternative. Even Ancestry.com has transcribed information with no images available. How do I know the transcriber/software didn't make a mistake? I've found hundreds of errors at Ancestry.com, reported them and were never fixed. It might be better to go back to the old research techniques using libraries and other non-online resources. Online genealogy has been monopolized by too many greedy companies buying up every source there is which is why I won't subscribe to them. And many of them use our data to gain more subscribers. Something to think about for those who don't care. If you are considering publishing your information as I am, you will care when you find out that someone else beat you to it. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:14 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy Brian, Whilst you are correct in saying that data cannot be copyrighted, images can, and the Ancestry images are copyright, indeed those relating to the UK are Crown Copyright and may not be reproduced without the consent of the appropriate authorities. Arguably their indexes are copyright also, as are mine on my website, furthermore if a page is copied from a website and reproduced that also is probably in breach of copyright. I have published parish records on my site, again the data is not copyright, but the database is my copyright. Blogs and tutorials are always the copyright of the author. The point I wish to make is that due care must be excercised when copying and subsequently reproducing from a website, or in any other form for that matter. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
Jerry, You need to read Ancestry's terms and conditions, which are not hidden away, on their site. When uploading you agree to them, so they do nothing without the user's consent. Whether they should, or should not, accept ownership is a different question, and this is a Legacy User Group not Ancestry, so I will not discuss this point. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Follow me on twitter http://twitter.com/ronfergy - Original Message - From: ... To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 03 November 2009 21:54 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy Hi, I'm a new person back using this forum and recently updated to Legacy 7. One of my genealogy friends said, that the reason she did not share her hard-owned information with Ancestry.com, that she had researched over the years, was because their fine prints states that they own the information, once you upload to them. Have the courts addressed this? I once downloaded some valuable information from a membership I had with World Family Tree, but I think they stated something very similar in their terms and conditions.However, how can they own something legally that you created, from your own hard work? I just don't know the answer to that. Jerry in Michigan, USA Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
Hi, I'm a new person back using this forum and recently updated to Legacy 7. One of my genealogy friends said, that the reason she did not share her hard-owned information with Ancestry.com, that she had researched over the years, was because their fine prints states that they own the information, once you upload to them. Have the courts addressed this? I once downloaded some valuable information from a membership I had with World Family Tree, but I think they stated something very similar in their terms and conditions.However, how can they own something legally that you created, from your own hard work? I just don't know the answer to that. Jerry in Michigan, USA Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
I think you misunderstood my stance on this. I'm not talking about vital record data and the like. I'm talking about specific information that no one else had access to. For instance, I have hundreds of hours of audio interviews where specific information was transcribed and passages used in my notes. Some of this information has shown up word-for-word in other people's trees. If I don't own that information, then who does since it is not publicly available and I still have the original recordings and there are no public copies. Since I had put some of that information online that is my mistake. Most of this information was online for many years because at the time the intentions of most people were good, but lately there seems to be more pirates than good intentions so I took it down. I wouldn't mind so much that the information is used, but the thiefs could at least cite where they got it from instead of taking ownership of my own data. Things like dates and places could have come from anywhere so how can I know where that came from. Specific information word-for-word I can tell if it came from my data. The only thing I ask is that they show some respect for those of us who spent the time and money to research it. Obviously they didn't. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
You should be able to download from your Ancestry.com tree to a GEDCOM. While I've never first posted to Ancestry.com trees then downloaded to a GEDCOM I can only assume it's the same as exporting from Family Tree Maker to a GEDCOM. I'm still cleaning up my Legacy data from an FTM 2009 GEDCOM export. The data all seems to be there, but of course the images were unlinked. Cleanup is never easy with any program, but after you have downloaded from your Ancestry.com tree to a GEDCOM I would not get rid of the online tree just yet. You will likely need it to verify that all data was transferred correctly. If not, you can always do a copy and paste into Legacy. Ancestry.com doesn't make anything easy as far as exporting to another program. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Mary Horner Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 3:48 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy Bill, thanks for the comments but can you translate into simple stupid for me. I would like to get the data off Ancestry as simply as possible for me. I am a two-finger typist, struggling with sourcing, clipboards etc. It literally can take me a day to enter a handful of Marriage registrations. I thought I could safely upload my tree into Ancestry, with a few clicks save this data on my tree and then export back into Legacy. Is this possible or is it too risky to bother with? I have a hard time understanding what you have written below you would have to use FTM (is FTM Ancestry software?) to merge the data and images, but keep Legacy updated at the same time by copying over the data manually and linking the images manually as well (then why would I bother using FTM if I am copying manually?) do all your data keeping in the software (I assume you mean Legacy) and upload not the other way around (how and what do I upload to Legacy- each individual source such as an individual's marriage reg?). You never know what trick the company is going to pull so that your online data is no longer downloadable. At least if you keep it local you have some control over it. You can always download the images and copy/paste the text right into Legacy (now I'm lost - upload/download, copy/paste right into Legacy/manually??) Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
When you upload to a website that warns that IT now owns your material, you have given away your ownership. It is then is up to Ancestry to pursue. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of William H. Boswell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I think you misunderstood my stance on this. I'm not talking about vital record data and the like. I'm talking about specific information that no one else had access to. For instance, I have hundreds of hours of audio interviews where specific information was transcribed and passages used in my notes. Some of this information has shown up word-for-word in other people's trees. If I don't own that information, then who does since it is not publicly available and I still have the original recordings and there are no public copies. Since I had put some of that information online that is my mistake. Most of this information was online for many years because at the time the intentions of most people were good, but lately there seems to be more pirates than good intentions so I took it down. I wouldn't mind so much that the information is used, but the thiefs could at least cite where they got it from instead of taking ownership of my own data. Things like dates and places could have come from anywhere so how can I know where that came from. Specific information word-for-word I can tell if it came from my data. The only thing I ask is that they show some respect for those of us who spent the time and money to research it. Obviously they didn't. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.37/2466 - Release Date: 11/03/09 07:36:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Mary Horner wrote I have just linked onto Ancestry.ca for my first 14-day trial. Is there an easy way to download the data there directly into my legacy tree? I spent hours entering and sourcing 3 marriages and I have piles to do. Then in frustration I created a mini tree on Ancestry and with the click of the mouse I could link piles of data from many different sources. How you choose to acquire and enter data is entirely up to you, of course, but personally I would not want to have it done for me with the click of the mouse. I may spend hours entering and sourcing data but I get to know my data intimately, I recognize names when they appear again, I spot discrepancies or matching facts, I have my sources cited exactly the way I want them. I would hate to acquite dozens or even hundreds of names in a matter of hours and know absolutely nothing about any of them: these people are my family and I want to learn about them and get to know them. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I agree completely with the statement below, not because I don't want to share my work but because I do not believe Ancestry has a right to claim and then sell my info to someone else. Walt Conner One of my genealogy friends said, that the reason she did not share her hard-owned information with Ancestry.com, that she had researched over the years, was because their fine prints states that they own the information, once you upload to them. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Brian, Whilst you are correct in saying that data cannot be copyrighted, images can, and the Ancestry images are copyright, indeed those relating to the UK are Crown Copyright and may not be reproduced without the consent of the appropriate authorities. Arguably their indexes are copyright also, as are mine on my website, furthermore if a page is copied from a website and reproduced that also is probably in breach of copyright. I have published parish records on my site, again the data is not copyright, but the database is my copyright. Blogs and tutorials are always the copyright of the author. The point I wish to make is that due care must be excercised when copying and subsequently reproducing from a website, or in any other form for that matter. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Brian L. Lightfoot wrote: I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
Bill, thanks for the comments but can you translate into simple stupid for me. I would like to get the data off Ancestry as simply as possible for me. I am a two-finger typist, struggling with sourcing, clipboards etc. It literally can take me a day to enter a handful of Marriage registrations. I thought I could safely upload my tree into Ancestry, with a few clicks save this data on my tree and then export back into Legacy. Is this possible or is it too risky to bother with? I have a hard time understanding what you have written below you would have to use FTM (is FTM Ancestry software?) to merge the data and images, but keep Legacy updated at the same time by copying over the data manually and linking the images manually as well (then why would I bother using FTM if I am copying manually?) do all your data keeping in the software (I assume you mean Legacy) and upload not the other way around (how and what do I upload to Legacy- each individual source such as an individual's marriage reg?). You never know what trick the company is going to pull so that your online data is no longer downloadable. At least if you keep it local you have some control over it. You can always download the images and copy/paste the text right into Legacy (now I'm lost - upload/download, copy/paste right into Legacy/manually??) Mary Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
Hi I have my tree on Ancestry, Genes and Tribal Pages with over 4000 names in it, but not one source. They have been created this way for three reasons. Firstly, when you send a gedcom, there is only one certainty, and that is that some of the sources will be missing, so I would rather have none. The second, is that everyone on my tree has been very, thoroughly researched by me, and wouldn't be on it, if they hadn't. My working database is absolutely jam packed with information, photo's, copies of certificates etc and if anyone takes the time to contact me they will receive all the help I can give, including all my sources. Thirdly, I have been given a lot of help from a lot of people and everyone's contribution is wonderful and has been recognised on my database but that is between them and me and so I feel that it should stay that way. Regards Lin please browse my family tree at http://mytangledfamily.tribalpages.com From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009 20:14:58 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
Mary Horner wrote: Bill, thanks for the comments but can you translate into simple stupid for me. I would like to get the data off Ancestry as simply as possible for me. I am a two-finger typist, struggling with sourcing, clipboards etc. It literally can take me a day to enter a handful of Marriage registrations. I thought I could safely upload my tree into Ancestry, with a few clicks save this data on my tree and then export back into Legacy. Is this possible or is it too risky to bother with? I have a hard time understanding what you have written below Mary, it seems like the others have misread your message and think you are wanting to upload data to Ancestry. The way I read your first, html, message, you were asking how to download from Ancestry. Starting from the Home Page:- a) Select your family tree b) Click on 'Tree Settings'. This is alongside 'View Profile for' c) Click on the 'Export Tree' button The site will now generate your GEDCOM file and, when complete, give a button from which you can download the file. d) Click on the 'Download your GEDCOM file' button e) When prompted, save the file to your disk and remember where it is! Now you can use Legacy. Close any file you may have open. Now, select File-- Import From-- GEDCOM Follow the prompts :-) -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
I totally agree with you and commend you for that. It should be that way (all your points). I've thoroughly researched everyone in my data several times and I've gone back about as far as I can go. There are some distant lines that still need work, but they are so distant that it would be better for someone more closely related to take over. Those I have posted online before. I've always posted on my former website that if you would like additional information and sources, please contact me. Sometimes they do and I find out they have information I'm looking for. Sometimes they're new, like a distant cousin I found a couple of years ago, and they have nothing so I give them what I have. I'm not that selfish, but to a point you have to be when it's out there for anyone to take. After all, the taker might have loads of information they could share and don't. They could hold the missing link you're looking for, but they don't give you the opportunity to find out. That's why sometimes selfish works. I figure my distant cousins have enough of my information and their own to share, and I have some of theirs as well. Some of these lines ended so I figure there is no one else around to research them. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of linda chapman Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:05 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy Hi I have my tree on Ancestry, Genes and Tribal Pages with over 4000 names in it, but not one source. They have been created this way for three reasons. Firstly, when you send a gedcom, there is only one certainty, and that is that some of the sources will be missing, so I would rather have none. The second, is that everyone on my tree has been very, thoroughly researched by me, and wouldn't be on it, if they hadn't. My working database is absolutely jam packed with information, photo's, copies of certificates etc and if anyone takes the time to contact me they will receive all the help I can give, including all my sources. Thirdly, I have been given a lot of help from a lot of people and everyone's contribution is wonderful and has been recognised on my database but that is between them and me and so I feel that it should stay that way. Regards Lin please browse my family tree at http://mytangledfamily.tribalpages.com -- From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Sent: Tuesday, 3 November, 2009 20:14:58 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
I think you're directing this to the person that asked about uploading to Ancestry.com under their terms and conditions. Mine was uploaded to Rootsweb's Freepages prior to the Ancestry.com takeover which came under different terms and conditions that did not state anything like this. I removed mine shortly after the Ancestry.com takeover because I did not agree with their terms at that time. I rarely used Ancestry.com's online trees and when I did my trees were usually private. The ones that weren't private I knew the risk and didn't care because I intended to offer the information freely since they were distant lines that were more beneficial to others than to me. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of CE Wood Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy When you upload to a website that warns that IT now owns your material, you have given away your ownership. It is then is up to Ancestry to pursue. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of William H. Boswell Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:27 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I think you misunderstood my stance on this. I'm not talking about vital record data and the like. I'm talking about specific information that no one else had access to. For instance, I have hundreds of hours of audio interviews where specific information was transcribed and passages used in my notes. Some of this information has shown up word-for-word in other people's trees. If I don't own that information, then who does since it is not publicly available and I still have the original recordings and there are no public copies. Since I had put some of that information online that is my mistake. Most of this information was online for many years because at the time the intentions of most people were good, but lately there seems to be more pirates than good intentions so I took it down. I wouldn't mind so much that the information is used, but the thiefs could at least cite where they got it from instead of taking ownership of my own data. Things like dates and places could have come from anywhere so how can I know where that came from. Specific information word-for-word I can tell if it came from my data. The only thing I ask is that they show some respect for those of us who spent the time and money to research it. Obviously they didn't. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Brian L. Lightfoot Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 4:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
I agree with Jenny on this. I could care less how many people copy verbatim the information and dialog found within my family file. I have many photographs supplied by others on my web site but I always include Photo Courtesy of ... But just one additional point for William: your data does not belong to you and you cannot assert any claim or copyrights over most of the raw data. Images, recordings, stories, look feel, and other things can be copyrighted. But data like born in 1850, married in 1870, and died in 1920 cannot belong to anyone. For years there have been long and furious discussions on various forums that addressed this issue. How and why Ancestry.com claims copyright protections on the data on their servers is a matter left for the attorneys and courts to sort out. Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Jenny M Benson [mailto:ge...@cedarbank.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy William H. Boswell wrote I've had the same problem with pirating of my data which is why I no longer upload my information especially on Ancestry.com. I really don't care if people want to pirate any data I put on line. I don't guarantee that all my data is 100% accurate so if they think it is that's their problem. If they want to deprive themselves of all the fun of doing their own research, that's their problem. On the other hand, if a previously unknown/unfound relative of mine is able to make contact with me because of my online tree, so much the better. Of course, it's always much *nicer* if someone asks if they might use your data and I always try and ask permission of anyone whose online data I might want to use. It's only polite. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
SORRY about the HTML. I have a rule set for outgoing mail to the list but somehow it didn't work!! I guess I need to turn off all HTML permanently. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy
What I do is upload a gedcom of the parts of my tree I want to research on ancestry. I then save whatever records I find in the tree. When I am done I download the tree as another gedcom. I then merge back the new gedcom into legacy. Ancestry does properly source the info and that is my reason for importing the data back into my main tree. Regards Roger From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Mary Horner Sent: Tuesday, 3 November 2009 7:06 p.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Ancestry.ca direct link to Legacy Another newbie question: I have just linked onto Ancestry.ca for my first 14-day trial. Is there an easy way to download the data there directly into my legacy tree? I spent hours entering and sourcing 3 marriages and I have piles to do. Then in frustration I created a mini tree on Ancestry and with the click of the mouse I could link piles of data from many different sources. Ruth asked a question about uploading a GEDCOM from Legacy to Ancestry is this how you access these records? Is it safe? I dont want to jeopardize all the info I have already entered and find it all scrambled when I bring it back into Legacy. Will the records from Ancestry be properly sourced? Is there a training CD or someplace where I can get up to speed? Thanks Mary, Canada Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.44/2475 - Release Date: 11/02/09 19:39:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
